What a disappointment. I thought it was an actual MAN. Turns out to be a gender confused woman. Big woop.
so... how is this thing gonna be born? caesarean section? since she's legally a man, will her male hormones interfere with the child's development? how the fuck do you breast feed a baby as a man?
these are the questions i ask myself but i honestly don't care that much to know the answers to.
she'd be dry, she's not pregnant.
it is an actual man.
don't be retarded, yeah he was a woman before, but he's a man now.
I'm not gonna lie for the sake of being politically correct-this is pretty freaky. Good for them I suppose, and it's not doing anyone any harm, but I've always had trouble accepting people who switch genders; in my eyes, this 'man' is still a woman.
Don't kid yourself, it's a woman. If his chromosomes are still XX and he can GET PREGNANT, he's a woman.
Loads of his neighbours claim its a hoax saying that the other week he didn't look pregnant at all :/They have been watching too much Desperate Housewives!
interesting
“A transgender man can be pregnant because he has the same organs as a woman,” Dr Masterson said on the ABC Good Morning America show.
Dr Masterson said, however, that transgendered men face special health risks resulting from their sex change. “It’s really important that he doesn’t take any testosterone early on in the pregnancy and later on,” she said. “That can cause male-type characteristics in the female baby.”
Some of the Beaties’ neighbours in Bend voiced scepticism about the pregnancy claim. One resident, Josh Love, told ABC: “I couldn’t say that he looks pregnant. I can stick my stomach out and almost make it look like that. I think it’s kind of bizarre. I don’t know if I believe it or not.”
The Advocate said it had confirmed the story with Mr Beatie’s doctor.
Loads of his neighbours claim its a hoax saying that the other week he didn't look pregnant at all :/
interesting
she'd be dry, she's not pregnant.
legally, he's a man. You can try to argue it all you want, but he's a man.
I never argued that he's a man legally. But even then that's irrelevant. Just because some signed and stamped papers say you're a man doesn't actually make you one. I'm talking biologically.
no one cares about biological sexual proclaimation anymore. being a legal man means you put male down for everything, count as male for all legal stuff, get called a he, etc etc.
this isn't pre-1990's anymore
I agree with Mog on this one. Legally he might be a man, but that doesn't magically mean that he has XY chromosomes and every feature of a man, and the experience of growing up as a man, etc.
He's just a man on paper. Which unless I have to deal with him on a legal setting, means absolutely nothing in my eyes, compared to his biological, actual history and status as a woman. If you aren't a man 'just biologically', then you're not a man, everybody just has to call you one because of some documents.
Like I said, just sharing my individual feelings on the matter.
He's just a man on paper. Which unless I have to deal with him on a legal setting, means absolutely nothing in my eyes, compared to his biological, actual history and status as a woman. If you aren't a man 'just biologically', then you're not a man, everybody just has to call you one because of some documents.
Like I said, just sharing my individual feelings on the matter.
what is your problem with this? there isn't any nice reason why you would be so admatant that this guy isn't a man. you don't think he's biologically a man, well okay, nobody else does. it's not the issue, and really the legality of it isn't the issue either. he wants to be a man and he got surgery and takes hormones to achieve this, so your personal views or reservations about actually accepting him as a man should be kept to yourself, because there is no reason to attack a person for making a personal choice that doesn't affect anyone else apart from assholes who think it is gross. these are forums so it's not a big deal but i'm just worried you might one day meet a transexual and be all "nah you're not really a man, ya just crazy". why hurt people like that?
oh wait you're not being politically correct you're riding the straight talk express
obviously they feel really strongly about being born in the wrong body if they go as far to have surgery for example. and "he" and "she" aren't biological terms
so... how is this thing gonna be born? caesarean section? since she's legally a man, will her male hormones interfere with the child's development? how the fuck do you breast feed a baby as a man?
these are the questions i ask myself but i honestly don't care that much to know the answers to.
yeah and there's also the people who don't think there is something wrong with their minds because they feel like they should have been born a different gender. it's a lot harder than it sounds to just change your mind about something, and the only way i think it could be done if you really believed it and felt it everyday would be hardcore medication, and i don't even know if there are meds which do this. i don't think it's very fair to assume that they should have fought against it because really it is not easy and why should they?
but this can be compared to homosexuality, which ostracized people in a similar way in years gone by. you can spend your life fighting against this harmless part of you or you can embrace it and have a shot at being happy. homosexuality is more acceptable today, it's nowhere near there yet but it is getting better for gays, but transgenderism absolutely hasn't been moving towards any kind of acceptance, so it's a big shame for these people.
He decided to carry a baby for his wife, Nancy, because she had a hysterectomy years ago.
If a transsexual woman who gets surgery to be changed into a man has a baby with a woman is it considered gay or straight plz help that's the only question I care about from this news story.
Aww that's sweet. Finally a news story posted on GW that isn't like a horror story or something grisly and sad.
Also Feldschlacht IV you're being a fucking idiot don't ruin this topic.
Also Feldschlacht IV you're being a fucking idiot don't ruin this topic.
yeah dude it is pretty horrible to go "no you aren't a real man because I say you aren't." especially when these people have worked and thought long and hard about what they are going through just to make themselves happy, it is very terrible to just go "no sorry, you're not a guy and that's that!".
you might as well just not call them human really, because to them it means the world to be that gender. you need to accept that biology can't play a hand in everything, and the biological terms "man" and "woman" while important, were created in a time when people couldn't change their genders and we didn't have even close to the tech to do so. Now and days, while they matter, it's more free form as our society advances. Maybe one day the concept of gender won't even exist, who knows. It's just a pretty dick move to say that they aren't that gender because you say they aren't. You can believe that, but they are that gender now.
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To most of us, gender comes as naturally as breathing. We have no quarrel with the "M" or the "F" on our birth certificates. And, crash diets aside, we've made peace with how we want the world to see us—pants or skirt, boa or blazer, spiky heels or sneakers. But to those who consider themselves transgender, there's a disconnect between the sex they were assigned at birth and the way they see or express themselves. Though their numbers are relatively few—the most generous estimate from the National Center for Transgender Equality is between 750,000 and 3 million Americans (fewer than 1 percent)—many of them are taking their intimate struggles public for the first time. In April, L.A. Times sportswriter Mike Penner announced in his column that when he returned from vacation, he would do so as a woman, Christine Daniels. Nine states plus Washington, D.C., have enacted antidiscrimination laws that protect transgender people—and an additional three states have legislation pending, according to the Human Rights Campaign. And this month the U.S. House of Representatives passed a hate-crimes prevention bill that included "gender identity." Today's transgender Americans go far beyond the old stereotypes (think "Rocky Horror Picture Show"). They are soccer moms, ministers, teachers, politicians, even young children. Their push for tolerance and acceptance is reshaping businesses, sports, schools and families. It's also raising new questions about just what makes us male or female.
What is gender anyway? It is certainly more than the physical details of what's between our legs. History and science suggest that gender is more subtle and more complicated than anatomy. (It's separate from sexual orientation, too, which determines which sex we're attracted to.) Gender helps us organize the world into two boxes, his and hers, and gives us a way of quickly sizing up every person we see on the street. "Gender is a way of making the world secure," says feminist scholar Judith Butler, a rhetoric professor at University of California, Berkeley. Though some scholars like Butler consider gender largely a social construct, others increasingly see it as a complex interplay of biology, genes, hormones and culture.
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I really want to be a unicorn maybe if I glue a horn to my head and start walking on my hands and knees other unicorns will start to accept me as their own....
she'd be dry, she's not pregnant.
I really want to be a unicorn maybe if I glue a horn to my head and start walking on my hands and knees other unicorns will start to accept me as their own....
Induced Lactation. Adoptive mothers do it all the time to feed babies.
how does this work? i'm being serious, please enlighten me.
do these tablets have any adverse side effect on the female or the milk she produces because i've never heard of these things.
i'm not too keen on taking anything man made (well, nothing that's artificial and forces a natural reaction). if there's some natural substance in the world that causes a woman to lactate then that's awesome, but if i were a woman i sure as hell wouldn't take some lab made pill that could give me or my baby cancer 30 years down the road.
.......but then again, BREATHING gives you cancer so it depends on how you look at it.
I have no right to say this, but I often speculate, if I ever felt I was the wrong gender, I'd look into getting my mind 'fixed' before my body.so the body is more important than the mind?
so the body is more important than the mind?
i don't think so
well tbh, no it wouldn't, because it just makes these hormones form.
you can literally suck on most post-puberty woman's nipples often and they will start lactating, since the hormones to start lactating are mostly made by nipple stimulation.
how does this work? i'm being serious, please enlighten me.
wait. Does he still have a cunt? If not how does he have periods. If so, how has he got a wife?all her reproductive organs are intact
that's pretty weird that he was able to get a wife. I mean even if she was lesbian, why would she want to go for someone who looks like a man? ...weird.
Also, I reckon the testosterone tablets she took to make her look more manly will fuck with the baby :/