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Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Richlife on March 29, 2008, 08:22:47 pm

Classical music is very cool and good for knownlege development. Do u think it ?

I very like Classical music. how about you ?

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: dada on March 29, 2008, 08:42:49 pm

Could you explain exactly why you think it's good for one's development?

To me, it depends. I like classical piano pieces, but concert music is a bit too heavy for my tastes. I like Clair de Lune (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlvUepMa31o), for example.

Forget it. I'm not gonna do the whole backseat modding thing anymore.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: ase on March 29, 2008, 08:47:59 pm

At its current state, this is a horrible topic with nothing more than

I LIKE X DO YOU LIKE X

I'll move this to Music forum so they can deal with it heh

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: dada on March 29, 2008, 08:50:29 pm

This is probably the first post I've ever made in the Music forum. Hi guys!

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Mince Wobley on March 29, 2008, 09:07:21 pm

No. I hate "classical" music. It's too tonal. I only like atonal, modernist music, like this:

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Lyndon on March 29, 2008, 09:22:21 pm

I LIKE CLASSICAL MUSIC THANKS!!!

what more do you want us to say?

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Mewthriii on March 29, 2008, 09:47:59 pm

I like it when rock artists perform their takes on classical, like "Cans And Brahms" by YES, an adaptation of Brahms's fourth symphony-third movement in Eb.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Lars on March 29, 2008, 09:52:33 pm

I'm not really a fan, but my x-mas obsessed neighbour is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3MdmLpDpP4

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Shepperd on March 29, 2008, 09:58:54 pm

yeah I like classical music
no I dont listen to it

and no it doesnt IMPROVE YE DEVELOPMENTS, it makes you a horrible snob

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: ghastly_darklord on March 29, 2008, 11:10:28 pm

yeah i like it

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Sludgelord on March 30, 2008, 12:23:34 am

does anyone want to actually use this topic or should i lock it?

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Lyndon on March 30, 2008, 12:25:20 am

lock this shit

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 30, 2008, 12:42:41 am

go ahead and lock it; other than jeff, no one is a huge classical music fan and if he wants to make a topic, it will be way better.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Shepperd on March 30, 2008, 01:00:48 am

what do we win locking up a topic?

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 30, 2008, 01:53:29 am

not having a shit topic on the forums, thus meaning no one will post in it and force other topics down?

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Ragnar on March 30, 2008, 02:08:25 am

Satie seems kinda good although I've only heard that one song

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Von Woofen on March 30, 2008, 02:49:07 am

I don't know if this is getting locked or what, but I like Bach a lot. That's pretty much the extent of classical music that I will listen to on my own, although I like classical in general I would say. Also that music animation thing that Dada linked is awesome, the first time I found them (probably someone here linked them) I just sat and watch almost all of them. I have to admit that I though Clair de Lune was pretty boring though and gave up on it.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: tomohawkjoe on March 30, 2008, 04:29:56 am

I actually really really like The Rite of Spring. I enjoy the more darker or fast paced stuff, but thats about it.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: cowardknower on March 30, 2008, 08:05:44 am

im a mozart man myself[/house reference]

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: thecatamites on March 30, 2008, 12:36:15 pm

The only classical song I know is that one 'Moonlight Sonata', and that's only because it was the backround music to the final level of Earthworm Jim 2.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Lyndon on March 30, 2008, 02:47:15 pm

Quote from: tomohawkjoe on March 30, 2008, 04:29:56 am

I actually really really like The Rite of Spring. I enjoy the more darker or fast paced stuff, but thats about it.

man I'm glad you said this. I am a fan of stravinsky's work and the rite of spring is probably my favourite by him.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Ryan on March 30, 2008, 06:28:01 pm

stravinsky is my favorite classical composer. i like a lot of the russian composers, too.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: ATARI on March 30, 2008, 06:56:09 pm

It's not something that I would choose to listen to, but I don't mind listening to some every now and then

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Mewthriii on March 30, 2008, 06:58:40 pm

exactly.

but y'know, I've always wondered what a classical musician's reaction would be to Bohemian Rhapsody.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Lyndon on March 30, 2008, 09:09:30 pm

I've heard an arrangement of Bohemian Rhapsody for an orchestra. It works pretty well, but short in comparison to other big classical pieces, obviously.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Mewthriii on March 30, 2008, 09:20:41 pm

lol

I'm gonna look that up, I wanna hear that.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Wash Cycle on March 30, 2008, 09:21:56 pm

yeah sometimes I catch myself wondering what the greats would think if they heard the music I was listening to

that said I would self identify as the #2 classical music guy after jeff in these parts so yeah

these days though I've been listening to an increasing amount of Brahms, Mendelssohn and Grieg as opposed to before where I got really into some stuff by Bach and also on the opposite end of the spectrum, Dvorak.

I'm not very well rounded

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: King of Spooks on March 30, 2008, 10:41:41 pm

Quote from: Couch on March 30, 2008, 08:05:44 am

im a mozart man myself[/house reference]

That's actually from the Professional.

And yeah I love classical.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Christophomicus on March 31, 2008, 03:56:07 pm

Quote from: Wash Cycle on March 30, 2008, 09:21:56 pm

yeah sometimes I catch myself wondering what the greats would think if they heard the music I was listening to

that said I would self identify as the #2 classical music guy after jeff in these parts so yeah

these days though I've been listening to an increasing amount of Brahms, Mendelssohn and Grieg as opposed to before where I got really into some stuff by Bach and also on the opposite end of the spectrum, Dvorak.

I'm not very well rounded

Yeah man, Mendelssohn is great. I didn't think many other people knew of him! (at least, on GW (but then again, classical music isn't huge around here so))

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: last life on April 01, 2008, 01:44:16 am

fucking Beethoven is so fucking good

also yeah Inri, Ligeti is pretty much the shit

I also am really into Spectral music these days like Tristan Murail.

And New Complexity oh my god.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Jaruten on April 02, 2008, 01:18:44 am

Oh! Classical music is great.

I think that many people have the missconception that since classical music can be quite "calmed", it ought to be played quietly; but I encourage those of you who are not sure about Classical music to listen to (for example) Beethoven's 9th symphony's 2nd movement at full volume in a good music equipement, and you'll have an experience. That, or go watch the symphony live and sit close to the orchestra.
And, for those of you who enjoy Stavinsky, I recomend my favourite composer: Bela Bartok and his Concerto for Orchestra. One of the most brilliantly written works of music in my opinion.

Classical music though is quite a broad term. It is similar to saying Modern Music which encomprises such things as rock, pop, jazz, etc...
There are some great styles of Classical music as well as crap ones, for example: Neo-classical is some of the most interesting music there is; while Atonal although its interesting, it sucks big time; and Minimalism is for music what raping your mother in a church would be for catholic religion.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Mince Wobley on April 02, 2008, 02:37:00 am

Quote from: Jaruten on April 02, 2008, 01:18:44 am

interesting, it sucks big time; together with Minimalism is for music what raping your mother in a church would be for catholic religion.

Why? It has a distinctive taste of it's own whereas tonal music is bland and tasteless

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: last life on April 02, 2008, 03:56:53 am

Atonal is not a genre.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Shepperd on April 02, 2008, 04:56:47 am

nobody said atonal was a genre

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Jaruten on April 02, 2008, 02:19:20 pm

Quote from: Inri Cheetos on April 02, 2008, 02:37:00 am

Why? It has a distinctive taste of it's own whereas tonal music is bland and tasteless

Every style has its distinctive taste of its own. The problem with atonal music is that, although an interesting concept, it is a bit contradictory and pointless, because music is supposed to be a set pattern of sounds with a distinctive rhythm which can be recognizable and can become familiar. Atonal music tries to create music that has no rhythm, no tonality and no obvious pattern; and the problem is that why would you listen to such things if there is nothing in it you can relate to?
Of course as hard as atonal music tries to be atonal, its IMPOSSIBLE to be completely atonal, since the mind is always trying to put the sounds you listen in a harmonic background, therefore even in atonal music you will subconciously have a sense of tonality...

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Lyndon on April 02, 2008, 03:41:29 pm

Atonal music can rhythm. That's often all it has. It just has no tonal centre.

I have written a fair bit of atonal music in the past and the one thing you can stick to is a rhythmic idea rather than a tonal idea, which is in fact all you need becuase tone is rhythm, but thats something different.

I kind of agree with you that we all hear a tonality in something, but there's no always an obvious tonal centre, so I guess thats what we associate Atonal as.

I think Schoenberg is a good example of 'Atonal' music that whilst may not have much a melodic interest, definitley has a colour and a mood to it. Sometimes thats all you need.

Also, I'm really enjoying minimalism music at the moment. I really like the subtle changes over time that mess with your mind. You kinda have to be in a right kind of mood to listen to it though. I like using minimalism techniques in my music aswell :)​

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: blood hell on April 02, 2008, 06:58:54 pm

Jaruten what is wrong with minimalism? I love minimalism and use it a lot when I am making music. How is it like a rape?

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Shepperd on April 02, 2008, 09:14:39 pm

Quote from: Jaruten on April 02, 2008, 02:19:20 pm

Every style has its distinctive taste of its own. The problem with atonal music is that, although an interesting concept, it is a bit contradictory and pointless, because music is supposed to be a set pattern of sounds with a distinctive rhythm which can be recognizable and can become familiar. Atonal music tries to create music that has no rhythm, no tonality and no obvious pattern; and the problem is that why would you listen to such things if there is nothing in it you can relate to?
Of course as hard as atonal music tries to be atonal, its IMPOSSIBLE to be completely atonal, since the mind is always trying to put the sounds you listen in a harmonic background, therefore even in atonal music you will subconciously have a sense of tonality...

wow, you're amazingly ignorant.
1) Atonality is NOT A STYLE
Atonality is the term given to music that mostly plays atonal chords and scales. Doesn't go beyond that. Therefore:
2) Atonality has nothing to do with rhythm
3) Atonality has tonality, what it may not have is predominant tonal harmonies/melodies

4) Concerning the proposition: "music is supposed to be a set pattern of sounds with a distinctive rhythm which can be recognizable and can become familiar"
This is HORRIBLY and COMPLETELY WRONG.
Music is any arrangement of sounds you want it to be. Music needs no distinctive rhythm nor set pattern of sounds. Music does not need to be familiar. Music can be noise, it can be freestyled solos, it can be drones, anything can be used as music from storms to traffic noise, from wind noises to birds chirping. Music doesn't not need to have a clean production, it can sound dirty or messy. It can be ANYTHING. It is NON-RESTRICTIVE.
Now don't come to me saying what is good music and bad music, and that any atonal music or any weird sort of composition is bad music because it doesn't accord to what you preach music to be. Metal pretty much fits in your description and fuck man it is a horrible genre. But I'm not saying it isn't music even though I'd be tempted to.

5) You said: "Of course as hard as atonal music tries to be atonal, its IMPOSSIBLE to be completely atonal"
If you write sheet music, you can easily make the whole composition atonal. Whether I think it sounds good or not is another issue.
Let me tell you this, I am a musician, I made 8 albums, and most people (specially Inri) regards me as the most atonal musician around here. My 6th album, Future Science Vs Man is my biggest statement of atonal music. And you know what? I DON'T TRY HARD AT ALL TO MAKE ATONAL MUSIC.
It just comes that way, why? because I play music which I feel emotionally attached to. I feel that playing atonal things among tonalities is the best, because it is very expressive.
Ugly is the new nice.
And I think my album, atonal as it is, is definitively melodical, can be hummed to and such, and I find it to have huge replay value because there is always new things to discover in that music because it flows in a completely unexpected but adorable way.

But y'know I am not going to change your mind and continue hating atonalities in your narrow minded mind and be happy

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Erave on April 02, 2008, 09:24:35 pm

First off, atonal is music. Second off, composers use complex systems to ORGANIZE and GENERATE melodic material. So you saying that atonalism isn't organized is stupid. And third, atonal can have an absence of a key. Atonal composers use tone rows so that each note of the 12 note chromatic scale is used equally. If all notes are used equally and none have more presence or importance than the other, how can it be tonal? Tonality asserts that one note is more important and is the "root" or "tonic" of the key.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: last life on April 02, 2008, 10:16:48 pm

That's only 12-tone though, there are many other types of "atonal" music.  And what he said does have some basis, most people always attempt to listen to atonal music from a tonal perspective (not consciously).  This is why most people can't deal with atonality because they are always attempting to hear it like tonal music and it never is satisfying from that perspective.

Also good job Sheppard, eating your words.



Also Reich is better than Glass.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Jaruten on April 02, 2008, 11:35:08 pm

Quote from: DJ Soup on April 02, 2008, 09:14:39 pm

wow, you're amazingly ignorant.
1) Atonality is NOT A STYLE
Atonality is the term given to music that mostly plays atonal chords and scales. Doesn't go beyond that. Therefore:
2) Atonality has nothing to do with rhythm
3) Atonality has tonality, what it may not have is predominant tonal harmonies/melodies

4) Concerning the proposition: "music is supposed to be a set pattern of sounds with a distinctive rhythm which can be recognizable and can become familiar"
This is HORRIBLY and COMPLETELY WRONG.
Music is any arrangement of sounds you want it to be. Music needs no distinctive rhythm nor set pattern of sounds. Music does not need to be familiar. Music can be noise, it can be freestyled solos, it can be drones, anything can be used as music from storms to traffic noise, from wind noises to birds chirping. Music doesn't not need to have a clean production, it can sound dirty or messy. It can be ANYTHING. It is NON-RESTRICTIVE.
Now don't come to me saying what is good music and bad music, and that any atonal music or any weird sort of composition is bad music because it doesn't accord to what you preach music to be. Metal pretty much fits in your description and fuck man it is a horrible genre. But I'm not saying it isn't music even though I'd be tempted to.

5) You said: "Of course as hard as atonal music tries to be atonal, its IMPOSSIBLE to be completely atonal"
If you write sheet music, you can easily make the whole composition atonal. Whether I think it sounds good or not is another issue.
Let me tell you this, I am a musician, I made 8 albums, and most people (specially Inri) regards me as the most atonal musician around here. My 6th album, Future Science Vs Man is my biggest statement of atonal music. And you know what? I DON'T TRY HARD AT ALL TO MAKE ATONAL MUSIC.
It just comes that way, why? because I play music which I feel emotionally attached to. I feel that playing atonal things among tonalities is the best, because it is very expressive.
Ugly is the new nice.
And I think my album, atonal as it is, is definitively melodical, can be hummed to and such, and I find it to have huge replay value because there is always new things to discover in that music because it flows in a completely unexpected but adorable way.

But y'know I am not going to change your mind and continue hating atonalities in your narrow minded mind and be happy

Hm... let me see.
I never said that atonal music is unorganized or that it had no melody.... I had to write atonal 12 note compositions according to Shoenberg's theories in school... inverting the melody, wrting it backwards etc etc...

1) The reason why I said that atonal music is a style is because in the early 20th century there were many composers that wrote music following a certain scheme that was theorised specially by Schoenberg, which was "the way" to write atonal music.
2) I am not completely sure but from what I remember one of the "rules" in the atonal composition scheme designed by Shoenberg, the compositions had to lack an obvious sence of rhythm.
3) Atonal music as it is, is ATONAL meaning that it is supposed not to have any kind of tonality center or anything at all. I think that you might be confusing atonal music with neoclassical and 20th century music. Composers such as Lygetti, Stravinsky and Bartok are all tonal, just not tonal in the classical way. And they are in my oppinion some of the greatest. Strictly speaking atonal music is like that video Lyndon uploaded some posts ago, and in my opinion, although interesting, its not enjoyable.
4) Ok, maybe my definition of what music is supposed to be was a bit to narrow. But still I believe that there is a distinctive line between what is sound and what is music, and for me atonal music walks on the line. I will agree with you that almost any sound can be put together and become some kind of music, and that whether is good or not is a matter of the listener, but you will have to admit as well that there is a big difference between spending 10 years meticulously arranging a piece of music so that it is perfect, and just going to the streets, recording some sounds and putting them together.
5) I believe again that you are confusing what strictly speaking atonal music is, because believe me that if you want to write a whole atonal composition, it is a big pain in the ass if you follow all the rules. And if you don't chances are that your composition will not be completely atonal and that it will move around a tonal center.

And please don't call me narrow minded, because I have heared this kind of music and I think I have good reasons why to regard it not as good as the music I like the most. Which by the way is not metal at all.

EDIT: Oh! And about minimalistic music is no good because is like unartistic music. I mean, it has no meaning, no point, its very repetitive, no motif, just some colour... and its very very uninteresting in my oppinion. Have you ever played Civilization IV? I LOVE the industrial age because the music is just beatiful; but as soon as you turn to the modern age I turn the music off because after a while I simply can't stand the music anymore.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Mince Wobley on April 02, 2008, 11:42:09 pm

Jaruten first you say that atonal is supposed to have no rhythm and then that it's supposed to have no tonality, you're contradicting yourself

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Jaruten on April 02, 2008, 11:49:38 pm

Quote from: Inri Cheetos on April 02, 2008, 11:42:09 pm

Jaruten first you say that atonal is supposed to have no rhythm and then that it's supposed to have no tonality, you're contradicting yourself

I've always said that atonal music is supposed to have no tonality and no rhythm.... so I don't really see where I've condradicted myself. I either write really bad or your comprehention of the text is really bad.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Mince Wobley on April 02, 2008, 11:57:43 pm

But it doesn't need to have no rhythm. Rhythm has nothing to do with tonality.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Jaruten on April 03, 2008, 12:07:48 am

Quote from: Inri Cheetos on April 02, 2008, 11:57:43 pm

But it doesn't need to have no rhythm. Rhythm has nothing to do with tonality.

Oh right! I see your point now. Well the thing is, if I remember correctly, atonal music should not have a clear sense of rhythm, because it becomes easier to recognize a tonality if there is rhythm. 12 notes are too little to do a whole composition, and since you have to repeat them at some point to continue your composition, it becomes more atonal if there is no clear sense of rhythm.
For example, if you have a melody that encomprises the 12 notes, after that you would have to make the same melody inverted or backwards or transposed. If you use the same rhythmic pattern you had in the first melody for the second melody as well, then it will be easier for your mind to recognise some patterns in the notes. Therefore you are supposed to use a different rhythmic pattern, thus giving the whole composition no clear sense of rhythm

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Mince Wobley on April 03, 2008, 12:29:41 am

That makes no sense

What about those asian musical styles (for example gamelan) that have notes that don't even match the 12 ones in western music, are they "TONAL" by western standards just because they have rhythm? I don't think so

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: last life on April 03, 2008, 12:42:53 am

It does make sense, in that it makes the music have less center.  If the Music has a predictable rhythm, then it's easier for the ear to predict where certain notes will land (based on the tone row), and thus certain notes are stressed more. 

But Jaruten should really stop referring to dodecaphonic music as atonal, because atonal is a broader category (at least in every case I've heard it used) that encompasses all NON-TONAL music.  I've even heard it used in relation to modal music.

But most 12-tone stuff is complete shit, except for perhaps Schoenberg and Berg, especially Berg.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Jaruten on April 03, 2008, 12:56:10 am

Quote from: last life on April 03, 2008, 12:42:53 am

It does make sense, in that it makes the music have less center.  If the Music has a predictable rhythm, then it's easier for the ear to predict where certain notes will land (based on the tone row), and thus certain notes are stressed more. 

But Jaruten should really stop referring to dodecaphonic music as atonal, because atonal is a broader category (at least in every case I've heard it used) that encompasses all NON-TONAL music.  I've even heard it used in relation to modal music.

But most 12-tone stuff is complete shit, except for perhaps Schoenberg and Berg, especially Berg.

Thank you for that aclaration since I think I'm not being clear enough.
It was in my understanding that dodecaphonic atonal music was THE atonal music. Because all the rest was not really atonal, therefore should not be refered as atonal. If you are refering to other types of atonal music that use more than 12 notes.... well I must admit I don't know a lot about that kind of atonal music.

EDIT: Oh, and Gamelan is not atonal at all. They just use completely different tonalities from western music.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Hempknight on April 03, 2008, 04:02:41 am

Quote from: Wash Cycle on March 30, 2008, 09:21:56 pm

yeah sometimes I catch myself wondering what the greats would think if they heard the music I was listening to

that said I would self identify as the #2 classical music guy after jeff in these parts so yeah

these days though I've been listening to an increasing amount of Brahms, Mendelssohn and Grieg as opposed to before where I got really into some stuff by Bach and also on the opposite end of the spectrum, Dvorak.

I'm not very well rounded

I'll challenge you for that #2 position.

If you're not a big fan of the BIG GUYS in classical/orchestral, and you don't like the (sometimes very cliche') sound of their respective periods, try Shostakovitch or some of Oliver Messiaen's works... They may not be 100's of years old, but their sound is certainly unique without being in the musical equivalent of a Pollock painting.

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and no it doesnt IMPROVE YE DEVELOPMENTS, it makes you a horrible snob

There has been a ton of research that points to music (classical in particular because of it's complexity) strengthening spacial reasoning in a developing brain. As for us adults, it's slightly higher on the snob meter than being a wine expert.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 03, 2008, 04:05:14 am

took long enough for someone to mention messiaen.

quatour por la fin du temps slutbitches.

also i could pwn everyone in classical i just dont heh thats gramps music...

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Erave on April 03, 2008, 04:27:38 am

Quote from: Magical Negro on April 03, 2008, 04:05:14 am

took long enough for someone to mention messiaen.

quatour por la fin du temps slutbitches.

also i could pwn everyone in classical i just dont heh thats gramps music...

i had to listen to that song in class. it was neat.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Shepperd on April 03, 2008, 05:46:00 am

Last life, dunno what eating your words means, is that good or bad thing?

also, Jaruten, you are speaking out of a book. It is like you're restricting yourself to manuals.
I agree, Schoenberg's 12 note atonality is a bitch to compose, but atonal music is more than Schoenberg's little world.
A song doesn't need to be completely and strictly atonal to be considered atonal. You are talking about strict atonality, which sure is a bitch.
I am talking about free atonality, which is most beautiful.
HK said Pollock. Free atonality is Pollock to me. I love Pollock. Free Atonality is Jean Michel Basquiat to me. He's my man.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: last life on April 03, 2008, 06:51:07 am

It means taking back what you said.  But I should've said "atonality is not a style" rather than "genre".  Semantics...

If anyone wants to check out some awesome Modern music that is more accessible, and still original, you guys should try Ned Rorem.  He writes in a chromatic tonal style that's pretty neato.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Hempknight on April 03, 2008, 08:18:25 am

Quote from: Magical Negro on April 03, 2008, 04:05:14 am

took long enough for someone to mention messiaen.

quatour por la fin du temps slutbitches.

Quartet for the End of Time is very tame compared to his organ works that mimicked bird songs...

(Pop-up-videopost): Messiaen had Synthesisia, a crossing of the senses, and could apparently "see" his music. Kinda explains why his shit is so trippy.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Lyndon on April 03, 2008, 02:42:19 pm

Quote from: last life on April 02, 2008, 10:16:48 pm

Also Reich is better than Glass.

Steve Reich is the bane of my existence :'(

yeah Atonal music is often very organised (but doesn't have to be). Styles like serialism, which are often Atonal have an algorhythm of how the music is written/proccessed. This is very important in this style, becuase for the composer the important process is making sure that the making the of the music stuck to this algorhythm. The end result is the bi-product, which leads to interesting results, which sounds random, but is actually very well structured.

I some what agree with Jaruten about Atonal music being meaningless, to a point. I mean, serial music does have some meaning. It shows what music sounds like coming from an un-humanly altered proccess, but this then means that there is no human element. It's all subjective and preference I guess.  It's a good way to write a piece of music from a non-human perspective though, like an Alien or some crazed psycho that has little humanity left in him. That's when I like the idea of Atonal music.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 03, 2008, 03:56:06 pm

Quote from: HK on April 03, 2008, 08:18:25 am

Quartet for the End of Time is very tame compared to his organ works that mimicked bird songs...

nublet that stuffs in Quatour!

it was also played for hitler's dudes while he was in a concentration camp if I remember right, which makes it the most hardcore piece of music ever.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: maladroithim on April 03, 2008, 06:20:27 pm

I love classical music!  But I don't post on this forum very often.

Quote from: last life on April 03, 2008, 12:42:53 am

But most 12-tone stuff is complete shit, except for perhaps Schoenberg and Berg, especially Berg.

While we are all namedropping maybe I could suggest Webern lol

My favorite composer is Stravinsky.  I generally feel that in classical music (or formal art music as ridiculous snobs like to call it) gradually got better and more interesting over the years until about the 20s and 30s where generally the art form disappeared.  I think my favorite genre is ballet.

I think a lot of people who think Classical music is actually not that interesting and is exclusively for snobs have probably not heard much other than the "greats" that you hear on public radio stations.  I guess Mozart and Beethoven and all that are okay but their music really is so architectured that it gives people the impression that it's boring and that classical snobs only pretend to like classical music (I'm pretty sure most Mozart fans are pretending).

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Hempknight on April 03, 2008, 06:33:33 pm

Quote from: Magical Negro on April 03, 2008, 03:56:06 pm

nublet that stuffs in Quatour!

Yeah, it's incorporated in Quatour, but what I meant was the dedicated bird stuff like Catalogue d'oiseaux, which is basically a 2 hour, 13 Movement monolith of a piece (although there is debate as to f it's 13 movements or 13 different pieces, but they sound awesome when played in sequence).

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: last life on April 03, 2008, 07:17:54 pm

Why do you feel the art form Disappeared Maladroithim?

Also it's mainly me name dropping.  I CHOOSE YOU: JOHN CAGE!!  USE YOUR ABSTRACT MUSIC ATTACK!!!!

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: maladroithim on April 04, 2008, 03:43:10 am

Quote from: last life on April 03, 2008, 07:17:54 pm

Why do you feel the art form Disappeared Maladroithim?

Well I just mean that it isn't a mainstream form of entertainment.  There's still a thriving scene and people that are interested in music still follow it and concert halls sell out all the time et al.  However people interested in basic entertainment rarely go to ballets and such these days so whereas Stravinsky and Ravel were headlining mainstream acts, today's classical composers are a little more low-key and generally only serious music people pay attention to them.  I think it's neat, though, that generally the western world is so much more wealthy now than it was a hundred years ago that orchestras have no problem making tons of money even though just a tiny slice of the middle class pays attention to them.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Freddie on April 10, 2008, 10:23:06 pm

Even though I do feel that the term "classical music" can be a little misleading (as people generally use it to describe music from the Baroque, Renaissance and Classical periods exclusively), I see that people are mentioning more modern composers as well. So here are some of my favourites across the different periods:

Baroque: Albinoni, Bach, Handel, Pachelbel
Classical: Beethoven (even though he teeters on the edge towards Romantic), Brahms, Mozart, Clementi, Haydn
Romantic: Berlioz, Chopin, Wagner (yes, he is actually rather good, in my opinion - at least his different themes)
Impressionism: Debussy (really, he's the only one)
Expressionism: Berg
Various 20-th century composers: Ligeti, Stravinskij, Philip Glass, George Gershwin

On another note, I really enjoyed reading the earlier debate on dodecaphony. Even though I don't really enjoy it that much (Alban Berg is an exception to that rule because of Wozzek) I have composed using the technique a few times. It can be said to be both difficult and easy, I suppose... since you actually have a very strict set of rules to follow and you can't really do more than follow them once you've created the twelve note order.

Also, I must add my two cents considering the whole atonality vs. tonal music: Every piece of music has its own beauty, in my opinion. Ligeti's music may not be easy on the ear, but it can be hauntingly beautiful. John Cage may have written a piece called 4′33″ (which is one long pause - the pianist counts measures in complete silence for four minutes and thirty-three seconds) that may not exactly be what you'd expect from a composition, but the beauty instead lies in the noise the uncomfortable audience generates. Stravinskij's The Rite of Spring is both tonal and atonal, and one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard. And Debussy's Clair de Lune may be simplistic, but that is also the reason why it's so wonderful.

Anyway. Enough of my essay. :)

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 10, 2008, 10:51:20 pm

shameless self promotion but this topic's OP is awful and I posted something on the main page about Messiaen soooo.

http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=70787.0

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Ragnar on April 13, 2008, 12:19:02 am

Quote from: HK on April 03, 2008, 08:18:25 am

Quartet for the End of Time is very tame compared to his organ works that mimicked bird songs...

(Pop-up-videopost): Messiaen had Synthesisia, a crossing of the senses, and could apparently "see" his music. Kinda explains why his shit is so trippy.

I have synesthesia

but uh I really only see it for rhythm sounds - or oftentimes I just go on a feeling like right now I'm trying to do a song like strawberries - but that might be more like random thought association at the time sort of thing

But yeah this guy is just weird - it sounds like music but really "off" in a way I can't describe - but yeah I try to go for weird-ass feelings in my songs too

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Post by: Ryan on April 13, 2008, 12:26:53 am

Quote from: Ragnar on April 13, 2008, 12:19:02 am

I have synesthesia

but uh I really only see it for rhythm sounds - or oftentimes I just go on a feeling like right now I'm trying to do a song like strawberries - but that might be more like random thought association at the time sort of thing

But yeah this guy is just weird - it sounds like music but really "off" in a way I can't describe

synesthesia is when you physically see colors associated with certain sounds, not when sounds bring a certain color to mind.

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Post by: Ragnar on April 13, 2008, 12:31:52 am

Quote from: Ryan on April 13, 2008, 12:26:53 am

synesthesia is when you physically see colors associated with certain sounds, not when sounds bring a certain color to mind.

it can be either - it says that he didn't directly perceive color either

and I definitely have some sort of thing where if I look at something animated it's sort of got a sound to it, like if I turn to look at a light it's bright but it's loud too

Edit: But then again I'm pretty fucking weird anyway I wake up all the time and I'll still be half-dreaming and I'll like see an image of a book or an article in a magazine and it's just like RANDOM WORDS but it's like visualized stream of consciousness although it seems to be remembering stuff I read before and not stuff I heard but either way it's like LUMINE HALL or something

Like one thing that I can remember was it kept shifting between SHOW ARTIST (like winamp I guess) and SHO WU ARTIST (like chinese person???)     it was pretty weird

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Lyndon on April 13, 2008, 01:14:25 am

Sibelius is the text book case of synesthesia. He would go to concert halls and litterally see bursts of colours coming from the instruments. Truly and amazing concept to grasp. One of my friends off my course claims to have synesthesia aswell. He says that he see different keys in different colours.

It's like one of the those things, I can't ever imagine being colour blind, but there are people out there who are

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Ragnar on April 13, 2008, 03:44:12 am

Yeah it's nothing like that but for the right percussive sounds it's like a white-blue flash - but late at night if our radiator goes off it's like just blue all over

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: maladroithim on April 14, 2008, 02:48:46 pm

Quote from: Lyndon on April 13, 2008, 01:14:25 am

One of my friends off my course claims to have synesthesia aswell. He says that he see different keys in different colours.

Is this at a music conservatory or something?  Because at my music school, the posing runs extremely high and if you believed everything that the musicians said about themselves you'd think the small town of River Falls has more synesthetics, people with perfect pitch, and child prodigies than any other region of the entire world.

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Wash Cycle on April 14, 2008, 06:50:41 pm

Oh christ almighty I hate it when people tell me they have perfect pitch. Can you sing a Bb for me right now please... oh you cant? your throat hurts today? I'm sorry

sigh

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Post by: Freddie on April 14, 2008, 08:39:03 pm

Quote from: Wash Cycle on April 14, 2008, 06:50:41 pm

Oh christ almighty I hate it when people tell me they have perfect pitch. Can you sing a Bb for me right now please... oh you cant? your throat hurts today? I'm sorry

sigh

I know what you mean. I suppose some people just don't know what perfect pitch is. I don't, for example, have perfect pitch. What I can do is give you an A - 440 Hz - because it's stuck in my ears, and then I can work out what key something is in or what note to sing (because I'm used to finding a D from an A, and therefore I have two reference notes). That's not perfect pitch, however, even though people try to tell me it is. :) So yeah, I can sing a Bb for you, but I'd have to go "Mmm... mmm". (A -> Bb)

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: maladroithim on April 15, 2008, 03:09:13 pm

Quote from: Freddie on April 14, 2008, 08:39:03 pm

I know what you mean. I suppose some people just don't know what perfect pitch is. I don't, for example, have perfect pitch. What I can do is give you an A - 440 Hz - because it's stuck in my ears, and then I can work out what key something is in or what note to sing (because I'm used to finding a D from an A, and therefore I have two reference notes). That's not perfect pitch, however, even though people try to tell me it is. :) So yeah, I can sing a Bb for you, but I'd have to go "Mmm... mmm". (A -> Bb)

I wonder if perfect pitch is actually impossible but that people who have it have tinnitus so they find notes by comparing them to the incessant ringing in their ears.  My girlfriend played drums a lot when she was in high school and didn't wear ear plugs, so she has tinnitus and I've noticed that certain pitches will drive her completely insane (they clash with the one stuck in her head).  Maybe people who are born with tinnitus can unconsciously compare notes with the one in their ears and that's where their pitch comes from!

Beethoven had perfect pitch for example and he eventually went deaf (so I assume that there was something wrong with his ears and they may have been ringing before he lost his hearing?).

Quote from: Wash Cycle on April 14, 2008, 06:50:41 pm

Oh christ almighty I hate it when people tell me they have perfect pitch. Can you sing a Bb for me right now please... oh you cant? your throat hurts today? I'm sorry

sigh

I've encountered people who are like I HAVE PERFECT PITCH and then they get the requested note wrong and say "well . . . . . . . it's almost perfect . . . . . . . ."

Title: Do u like classical music ?
Post by: Lyndon on April 15, 2008, 03:25:59 pm

One of my lecturers has perfect pitch. If you play a note on a keyboard he can tell you what it is. It's impressive, but not neccersary and to be honest I don't really care that I can't do it. Being able to recognise intervals is useful though for transcribing music

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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 17, 2008, 12:23:29 am

i knew a girl who had perfect pitch and we would play xiu xiu for her and then she stopped hanging out with us because it hurt her ears too much.

SHE WAS A BIG SLUT HUH.