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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 06, 2008, 06:10:01 am
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ALL SUBMISSIONS ARE CLOSED
I'm thinking of setting up a mocktrial on GW. This means I need people to volunteer for the following roles:
-Judge- this person has to essentially make calls about whether objections or evidence can be submitted. I'll brief whoever it is on the specific laws they need to know beforehand.
-Defense Attorney- the defense attorney has to defend their client. I'll give them certain pieces of evidence and tell them the legislation on hand too. defense can cross examine witnesses and introduce new witnesses. defense attorneys also can make an opening and closing argument.
-Prosecuting Attorney- same as the above, only the prosecution has the goal of prosecuting the offender.
WE WILL FOLLOW AMERICAN LEGAL PRECEDENCE, MEANING THAT THE PROSECUTION MUST PROVE GUILT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT.
-Witnesses- I need someone to be a victim and a defendant. They will testify (based on the story I give them) and be crossexamined.
-Jurors- here's the fun part. basically, anyone who wants to be a juror, feel free to apply. In the American system, the jurors are the determiners of fact and give the guilty/not guilty verdict. for jurors whats going to happen is everyone who wants to be a juror will have to undergo a jury selection process. First the judge will ask questions and determine who might be too biased to serve on the jury and if anyone is clearly too flakey or stupid or busy. Then there's a voir dire where the prosecution and defense can ask their own questions (within reason) to the jurors. the pool will get narrowed to 12, with 2 alternates who only matter if one of the 12 fucks off.
That's seventeen total people (plus two alternate jurors).
I'll basically be handholding everyone for the really complex parts, so don't worry if it sounds too complex; you'll be briefed on everything via PM and stuff.
one last important note: this stuff will come up in voir dire so I won't say what the case is, but crime is crime. I am using a real case here. if even in a game you don't think you could stand to play the part of a rapist or defending a murderer or anything like that, I urge you not to participate. just a gay little disclaimer.
for all the multiple applications that aren't jurors, I'm just going to randomize them and pick from that.
also this will probably be massively gay no doubt...be warned...
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i wanna be part of this but theres only one i could actually do without completely sucking
juror juror juror
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at first i didn't think it'd be such a hot idea if i joined in, but since i was saying HEY YOU SHOULD DO THIS, i'd kind of feel gay if after suggesting it i didn't even try to do anything, so yeah i wanna be involved! idk maybe prosecution or defense or something, but i suspect i will be torn to pieces, so if not that then just a juror. also, are there any ways you have to type when cross examining and shit? like, are you relegated to playing a role, and acting appropriately given you're in court, or are we going to look forward to a trial full of steeling?
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I will be the victim.
unless there are any objections...
there aren't? okay.
Motion passes.
I have been victimized.
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would be up for being one of the guys on the stand (witness, suspect, etc.). this actually comes at a good time because i have been meaning to do basic research on trials and this should give me knowledge boost +1.
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This sounds pretty cool man, I'll be a Juror or Defense attorney.
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defense attorney sounds like fun but i'm sure i'd put my client in jail for life by accident
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This is an awesome idea!
I would love to be the Tony Danza of the jurors, assuming you have seen the 12 angry men remake[/spoilers].
I am flagging this topic regardless.
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I will gladly be the defense attorney! Or the prosecuting attorney in case someone else gets that job.
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this sounds interesting. if it all works out, I'll take on a role as juror if possible.
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Sounds like fun, I'd like to be the defendant!
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Sounds like a blast! I would love to be the judge, though I would also love to be an attorney. If all else fails, then I volunteer for juror.
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Prosecuting Attorney sounds fun. Think I'd like to be that. Juror if not.
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Hell yeah I'll be a juror, this is a pretty cool idea dude!
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I'd love to be on the jury, or one of the other smaller roles. Sounds like good fun.
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A witness hiding some terrible secret!
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I'd like to be a witness too, since very few other people are volunteering.
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Actually, I'd quite like to be a witness or a juror. I'm not that fussed which.
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jury duty, please! this sounds interesting.
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Juror, please.
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oh btw, for those of you volunteering for roles, if you don't get the one you want, is it okay if I stick you in the potential jury pool? I'm hoping yes but if you just DONT WANT TO, okay!
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Sure, it's better than nothing. So when's this starting?
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Juror, plz.
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at first i didn't think it'd be such a hot idea if i joined in, but since i was saying HEY YOU SHOULD DO THIS, i'd kind of feel gay if after suggesting it i didn't even try to do anything, so yeah i wanna be involved! idk maybe prosecution or defense or something, but i suspect i will be torn to pieces, so if not that then just a juror. also, are there any ways you have to type when cross examining and shit? like, are you relegated to playing a role, and acting appropriately given you're in court, or are we going to look forward to a trial full of steeling?
you gotta act appropriately. so yeah, that means no "great so you're a soulless shit" or "LOOK AT ME IM YOU IM GAY". without going into too much detail, attorneys can't lead witnesses on, and that includes berating them. as prosecution, you're here to present the evidence and testimony in a light favorable to the complainant, as defense you're trying to poke holes in it.
as an example, if a witness was a doctor and presented a great deal of evidence about how the person couldn't do it, you could then ask them what their degree was in and get them admit its religious studies. something like that is fine. you can also stop witnesses from conjecturing too far by objecting, but okay now I'm writing too much, basically yeah it's slightly formal.
Sure, it's better than nothing. So when's this starting?
lemme make a list.
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Judge- Bondo
Defense- bazookatooth, Afura, Roman, Dada, Bondo
Prosecution- bazookatooth, Dada, Bondo, Rayne
Complainant- Catslacks, gz, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman
Defendent- gz, Dark Angel, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman
Jurors-radio raheem, Dr. Boblet, bazookatooth, Afura, Roman, Eric, Dada, Absynthe, Dark Angel, Bondo, Rayne, Catslacks, gz, Velfarre, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman, mkkmypet, Man-O-War, Ralph
okay so this is what we have now (PTizzle I assumed "minor role" meant witness). I'd like at least one other person to volunteer for judge so it isn't automatically Bondo. there's 21 jurors, which is a decent sized pool, but I'd like to get more (everywhere obviously, not just in the jury pool; if you want to play I'm putting you in the pool automatically unless you don't want to be in it). so I'm thinking till midnight tonight I'll leave this open for people to join up.
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Who's the Victim?
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Who's the Victim?
that was an error on my part earlier in the topic. victim tends to be only used with rape, assault, and murder cases (where the victim obviously doesn't testify). I didn't want to imply it was one of those, so I used complainant instead (which can be applied to all cases).
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I'll be a Juror cause Jury Duty muist be better on the internet.
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Lol. Since most of you guys are all zit-pasty white boys, the defense attorney better file a Batson challenge.
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Lol. Since most of you guys are all zit-pasty white boys, the defense attorney better file a Batson challenge.
considering half of them aren't citizens or are underage, I think Batson is a little high end.
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Hah, true, that.
I'd like to see how this goes. I'm interested in becoming a lawyer, but I've never actually been exposed to the intricacies of a trial. Maybe if this is successful, I'll totally want to be an attorney for the next one.
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Hah, true, that.
I'd like to see how this goes. I'm interested in becoming a lawyer, but I've never actually been exposed to the intricacies of a trial. Maybe if this is successful, I'll totally want to be an attorney for the next one.
are you going to try out for this one (even for juror or something)?
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I'll throw my name in for judge as well.
Also maybe this is irrelevant for what we are doing but what court will this be in?
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I could be a juror, but it really depends on when this'll happen.
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Judge Bloodbath...
I'm cool with the choices, btw.
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I'll sign up for judge.
However, I'm doing jury duty for the first time next month, so maybe I should be a juror to get a better feel for that (or do I not really need to know anything).
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I want to be Prosecuting Attorney
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I could be a juror, but it really depends on when this'll happen.
soonish, probably this week, will be jury selection. one of the questions in voir dire will be "CAN YOU STILL PERFORM" so. updating list now.
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Judge- Bondo, Dharma_and_Greg#1fan, ASE
Defense- bazookatooth, Afura, Roman, Dada, Bondo
Prosecution- bazookatooth, Dada, Bondo, Rayne, Inri Cheetos
Complainant- Catslacks, gz, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman
Defendent- gz, Dark Angel, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman
Jurors-radio raheem, Dr. Boblet, bazookatooth, Afura, Roman, Eric, Dada, Absynthe, Dark Angel, Bondo, Rayne, Catslacks, gz, Velfarre, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman, mkkmypet, Man-O-War, Ralph, handsome lamb, Dharma_and_Greg#1fan, ASE, Inri Cheetos
thats the list so far.
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Goodly. I'll be a juror then.
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Bro make me a complainant
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ugh I missed this but I would like to take part, any role that is available.
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ugh I missed this but I would like to take part, any role that is available.
no you didn't, it's another 11 hours before 12.
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no you didn't, it's another 11 hours before 12.
WAIT forget that I wont even be here sorry.
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The janitor did it
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WAIT forget that I wont even be here sorry.
are you leaving in the next few weeks or what?
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BAILIFF
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i'm bailiff pretty much, dongs to you.
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are you leaving in the next few weeks or what?
yeah, he says he will be gone till the 12th
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Anything that isn't jury, also jury. god let me live out my phoenix wright fantasies yessss
if it's successful this should totally be a regular thing
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I'd like to be part of the defense or a juror.
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Put me wherever you think I'll be needed. I wish I saw this topic earlier because I'd volunteer for the "ignorant-loud-mouthed-stereotypical-black-witness-Sir-Gabs'alot." Judge, Jury, Executioner, wherever.
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i'm good at lying so i wish i could play (honestly) but i am going to be a busy beaver for a while!
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This is a great idea. I volunteer to be a Juror.
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i'll be a juror
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So how's this going to play out? Everyone log on at the same time and do it on irc or something?
Justice of the Peace
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So how's this going to play out? Everyone log on at the same time and do it on irc or something?
Justice of the Peace
it'll be on forums.
we also don't have justice of the peace presiding over murder cases. do you mean judge?
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I'd like to be a Juror, this sounds like a lot of fun. i've been a lawyer in a couple mock trials at school so this should be fun. how are you picking jurors?
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Sounds like an awesome idea, much like MTC for the forums. If anything is open, I'll take a spot. Judge, defense, or prosecution is preferred though. :D
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I'd like to be a Juror, this sounds like a lot of fun. i've been a lawyer in a couple mock trials at school so this should be fun. how are you picking jurors?
there's going to be a general questionnaire (questions made by judge, prosecution, and defense, don't worry I'll explain it to you if you're one of these) and then an individual questioning phase. after that both sides will have eliminations they can make based on the responses and we'll have our jury.
Judge- Bondo, Dharma_and_Greg#1fan, ASE, Sarevok, angry black man, Finality
Defense- bazookatooth, Afura, Roman, Dada, Bondo, Sarevok, Farah, angry black man, Finality
Prosecution- bazookatooth, Dada, Bondo, Rayne, Inri Cheetos, Sarevok, angry black man, Finality
Complainant- Catslacks, gz, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman, Tophue, Sarevok, angry black man, Finality
Defendent- gz, Dark Angel, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman, Sarevok, angry black man, Finality
Jurors-radio raheem, Dr. Boblet, bazookatooth, Afura, Roman, Eric, Dada, Absynthe, Dark Angel, Bondo, Rayne, Catslacks, gz, Velfarre, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman, mkkmypet, Man-O-War, Ralph, handsome lamb, Dharma_and_Greg#1fan, ASE, Inri Cheetos, Juris, Sarevok, Farah, angry black man, Shinpokomon, Ryan, Beasley, Finality
pool so far, you have till midnight!
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it'll be on forums.
we also don't have justice of the peace presiding over murder cases. do you mean judge?
No I was making a joke. This is going to be one loooooong trial though on the forums. :fogetnaughty:
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Hey Steel if I'm away this weekend (friday to sunday) will I be missing some real important stuff?
I may be able to post sporadicially but I'm just checkin'
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Hey Steel if I'm away this weekend (friday to sunday) will I be missing some real important stuff?
I may be able to post sporadicially but I'm just checkin'
if you're a lawyer/judge, it might be a problem, but the jury deliberation will probably take a while so. don't worry too much about it, that kind of question will be in the questionnaire (provided the judge doesn't do something stupid).
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Seriously though can you add me to the Jury pool.
also there's two bailiffs heh..
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bumping to say there are two hours left.
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can i be the sexy lawyer with sexy legs who wears a skirt and shows off her cleavage
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Single Female Lawyer, fighting for her clients!
Defense and Prosecution, be sure to have your OBJECTION.gif's ready. I'm not being sarcastic, it will add more flare to the trial. :()
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/i46.photobucket.com/albums/f140/LeagleBeagle/objection.gif)
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Judge- Bondo, Dharma_and_Greg#1fan, ASE, Sarevok, angry black man, Finality
Defense- bazookatooth, Afura, Roman, Dada, Bondo, Sarevok, Farah, angry black man, Finality, Jeff Blodgloom
Prosecution- bazookatooth, Dada, Bondo, Rayne, Inri Cheetos, Sarevok, angry black man, Finality, Jeff Blodgloom
Complainant- Catslacks, gz, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman, Tophue, Sarevok, angry black man, Finality
Defendent- gz, Dark Angel, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman, Sarevok, angry black man, Finality
Jurors-radio raheem, Dr. Boblet, bazookatooth, Afura, Roman, Eric, Dada, Absynthe, Dark Angel, Bondo, Rayne, Catslacks, gz, Velfarre, PTizzle, RPG, #1 Dad, Rockman, mkkmypet, Man-O-War, Ralph, handsome lamb, Dharma_and_Greg#1fan, ASE, Inri Cheetos, Juris, Sarevok, Farah, angry black man, Shinpokomon, Ryan, Beasley, Finality, benjamin franklin, Jeff Blodgloom
randomizing is beginning now!
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Judge- Sarevok
Defense- angry black man
Prosecution- bazookatooth
Complainant- RPG
Defendant- gz
I will send PMs or contact the people with what will be going on later on tomorrow! everyone not chosen is in the juror's box!
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man how did i just miss this??? by just a few minutes too!!!
make me a SURPRISE WITNESS. i am expert dialogue writer i can do a good job at this!!!
besides i was COOKING GRITS when i saw the murder happen
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man how did i just miss this??? by just a few minutes too!!!
make me a SURPRISE WITNESS. i am expert dialogue writer i can do a good job at this!!!
besides i was COOKING GRITS when i saw the murder happen
I'll be honest, I have not fully reviewed the case in question (I've been busy writing an essay on Title IX shit). if in fact another witness or several others are called for, I will run another randomizer.
basically argh f*cking gw i have work to do leaf me alone.
if you want to apply for jury btw that stays open for a while, until I send out those PMs.
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I took a quick look at the case and found positions for six witnesses. none of them are exceedingly necessary, but they might add some flavor to the trial.
if you want to apply to be a witness, post that you do (if you previously said I WANT TO BE ANYTHING or I WANT TO BE A WITNESS, you're on the list) and at noonish tomorrow i'll have that.
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ooh can i still apply to be a witness
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yea i wana1 be witness!!
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in order to increase my chances with the randomizer I will apply for WITNESS too
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Witness also!
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I'll go for witness as well.
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can I be the stenographer?
i'm actually going to ask ASE to do that by default; basically the forums are our stenography but if an objection is sustained, ASE will edit/erase the posts that are no longer valid.
this means it's sort of like a real court case where the jurors who aren't paying attention might miss some potentially case altering evidence and yeah im cool heh.
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As the rascist juror I will be instantly in favor of a black plaintiff and against a white defendant.
Mexicans, Arabs, and asians of the Union of Myanmar are fine.
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As the rascist juror I will be instantly in favor of a black plaintiff and against a white defendant.
Mexicans, Arabs, and asians of the Union of Myanmar are fine.
...you're the defense lawyer.
Judge- Sarevok
Defense- angry black man
Prosecution- bazookatooth
Complainant- RPG
Defendant- gz
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I'll also throw my name in for Witness.
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Shame I missed this. I my first choice would have been juror, but I'd gladly be a witness.
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...you're the defense lawyer.
Ah. Well, I'm not too well versed in the American legal system so I'm sure you'll fill us all in on the inner mechanics.
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PMs are being sent to defense, prosecution, and judge regarding jury selection and the initial case.
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Could I be a witness?
Also, it will also depend on when this'll happen.
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just assume THE REST OF THE MONTH, sheesh. if you are sure you are going to be fucked off for most of a month, don't go for it. it probably won't last that long, but I've never done this before, I don't know how quickly it will go!
pms have been sent. also expect that WITNESS selection to occur around 4 and not noon since I'm going to proofread my essays!
edit: typo
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patsfanbranch83 (1:46:35 AM): btw
patsfanbranch83 (1:46:41 AM): if the def attorney drops out of the mock trial
patsfanbranch83 (1:46:44 AM): i am game for sure
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And everyone else who had their name on the list before....
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yeah I told him as much. it's on a randomizer for sure.
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witness im a witness
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Ah well, I'm still up for juror.
Unless you want to put me as a possibility for witness, then I'm down with that.
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Dang, this looks awesome. I wish I could've heard about this earlier and applied for like, DEFENSE ATTORNEY (hooray phoenix wright) and shit. I guess I'll apply for juror or witness, if either are still available.
I'd rock as a witness. SURPRISE WITNESS: YOU DIDN'T EVEN KNOW THIS GUY WAS IN HAHAHA
But yeah, I'll be watching this anyhow.
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Oh, I though the defense and prosecution would have a team of several lawyers, with one person helming each side. So, that way we could have pretty big sessions with many voices. You could keep it under control by limiting time each additional lawyer can speak in a topic/court session, so they'll have to have meetings with their team and have their lead attorney speak on their behalf most of the time.
Problem is, of course, it could get a little too messy or difficult to handle without planning. Anyways, I'm still up for anything available.
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PTizzle
#1 Dad
Rockman.
Tophue
Finality
Hundley
Roman
ASE
Afura
radio_raheem
Catslacks
Dharma and Greg #1fan
Verridian
hero_bash
Bondo
Lord Typhoon
if I'm right this is the witness list, I'll randomize it after class sometimes (4ish)
Oh, I though the defense and prosecution would have a team of several lawyers, with one person helming each side. So, that way we could have pretty big sessions with many voices. You could keep it under control by limiting time each additional lawyer can speak in a topic/court session, so they'll have to have meetings with their team and have their lead attorney speak on their behalf most of the time.
Problem is, of course, it could get a little too messy or difficult to handle without planning. Anyways, I'm still up for anything available.
too much trouble to coordinate, so!
RANDOMIZER BEGINNING
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Witnesses are:
#1 Dad
Roman
ASE
Hundley
Tophue
radio_raheem
Judge- Sarevok
Defense- angry black man
Prosecution- bazookatooth
Complainant- RPG
Defendant- gz
Jury POOL (not confirmed jury yet): Dr. Boblet, Afura, Eric, Dada, Absynthe, Dark Angel, Rayne, Catslacks, Velfarre, PTizzle, Rockman, mkkmypet, Man-O-War, Ralph, handsome lamb, Dharma_and_Greg#1fan, Inri Cheetos, Juris, Farah, Shinpokomon, Ryan, Beasley, Finality, benjamin franklin, Jeff Blodgloom, Verridian, hero_bash, Bondo, LordTyphoon.
If I forgot you, tell me. Also you can still apply for jury until the questionnaire is ready.
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Dr. Boblet, Afura, Eric, Dada, Absynthe, Dark Angel, Bondo, Rayne, Catslacks, Velfarre, PTizzle, Rockman, mkkmypet, Man-O-War, Ralph, handsome lamb, Dharma_and_Greg#1fan, Inri Cheetos, Juris, Farah, Shinpokomon, Ryan, Beasley, Finality, benjamin franklin, Jeff Blodgloom, Verridian, hero_bash, Bondo, LordTyphoon.
Nope, in fact, looks like you remembered me twice. :)
Even if I don't get to participate, I think this will be fun to observe.
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This sounds a lot like MTC (except that no one appears to be eliminated.. so maybe it isn't after all). I like this idea and I hope that it succeeds and that it is memorable. Good luck to everyone involved. I look forward to seeing this unfold. :)
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Oh man I missed out, oh well there is still luck for jury duty.
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bumping to say I have it on good authority the jury questionnaires are being written now and you might be getting a pm...sooner than you think.
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Sooner than I think? Hurrays!
Will this trial be enacted in real-time on IRC or something similar, or through the forums?
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it will be forumwise.
as for how the jury questions are going, all I know is they are...going. you'll all recieve PMs when it's done, so don't think I forgot!
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are the jurors allowed to talk about the case outside of the court?
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I can guarantee all questions on the survey will be answered according to the sporty personality of Tony Danza. thank you konix for acknowledging the greatest court movie of all time
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are the jurors allowed to talk about the case outside of the court?
I was gong to say this after questionnaire, but no. I'll elaborate on those rules later.
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ARGH how did I miss this!?
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I will do Jury if there is still time
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steel i am convinced this won't happen and will just fade into failed obscurity i have waited three days for my survey to NO AVAIL NO AVAIL I SAY
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oh kickass i am a witness. I am really looking forward to this!
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I recieved the survey today and sometime during class tomorrow, I'll send it out!
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Awesome. We're all looking forward to it.
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I'll go for jury if you haven't sent them yet.
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there are going out, if a mod could lock this topic it would rule.