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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Redfar on April 08, 2008, 01:17:55 pm
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I don't know if I suck, or beacuse I played them when I was younger and was new to gaming. but my top 3 hardest would be.
Final Fantasy 4 (I could never beat the final boss, I had to Gameshark it, but I have been meaning to get back to it and redeem myself for my misbehavior as a young and foolish boy)
Final Fantasy 8 (I bought above mentioned gameshark to beat this game, but I had trouble setting it up and decided to give it one more go and somehow I won)
Dragon Quest 8 (It took me 80 Hours to get though this game, Jessica with max Sex Appeal FTW (She gets a multiheal))
These also happen to be 3 of my favorite RPGs (not so much 8) I love a really hard game and the feeling of YES I BEAT IT HA HA!!!
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Final Fantasy 4 US was already made much easier for its release. You should try playing the hardtype version. Cecil has an additional attack.
For me the hardest RPG was some DND-based SNES game called Wizardry V: Heart of the Maelstrom. I still get my ass kicked every single time. I never figured out how to heal, though.
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I'd have to go with Dragon Quest 1 and 2. When I first played those games, I didn't know that 'it pays to level up' and 'don't cross those bridges unless you're a certain level' and ended up getting some nasty surprises.
Quick lesson learned >.>
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Dragon Warrior II was hard as fuck to beat and I had a lot of free time back then so I actually maxed out all my players and it was still really hard
plus there's this cave right before the final area of the game where you pretty much have to make a map for yourself because there are random tiles on the floor that will collapse and you won't die but you'll have to repeat a whole area over again each time - it's like something that /might've/ been a puzzle in Lufia but in Lufia there wouldn't be random encounters while you're doing it and you'd probably start over at the beginning of the room - and there'd be clues like the floor would be semi-transparent there - but these were the NES days so they just kept it hard as hell like that because too much coding
Also there was this one area with a shitload of rivers and some LOOM of sorts and either I didn't know what to do next at that point or I kept dying or I kept dying trying to figure what the hell to do
Actually Secret of the Stars was harder but also totally not worth it either
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Yeah I think that the Gold Box games win in terms of brutality. Otherwise, in terms of "Impossible to finish but not necessarily cheap" I would have to vote for Rogue/nethack etc. But I assume we are talking about Japanese turn-based RPGs so:
Shin Megami Tensei: Anything. A running theme in this series is that you cannot grind very easily, so you just have to keep going forward. Unfortunately, if you have not properly memorized enemy properties and prepared for them, you will probably be destroyed. In recent titles, you even gain or lose turns depending on whether you hit the enemy with what he is weak against or not, so it really makes the difference. It's kind of a rewarding sort of difficult and not a frustrating one, though.
Also Dragon Warrior II.
Also Secret of the Stars but I liked that game. I was very young though and anything that had numbers that went up was fine by me so I probably did not judge it fairly. Like come on it's published by TECMO.
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Probably Lunar: EB. The game really never gives you a break... right from the start, the enemies can kill you in one or two hits if you're not careful.
And Zophar was a really satisfying final boss... he's damn frustrating because he has 3 different forms, all of which can kill you easily... I don't think it's possible to win that fight without using White Dragon Protect. But it's such a great feeling when you finally win.
Even though it's one of my favorite games ever, I haven't replayed it very much... just because one time through feels like such a monumental task.
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I 2nd Wizardry V. Actually EVERY Wizardry game is hard like that.
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Dual Orb 2
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Probably fucking Xenosaga. If not that, then some SMT game, like maladroit said.
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I'll have to say Shin Megami Tensei. Or the Persona series.
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Probably Legend of Legaia.
There were bosses in that game that had attacks that could kill you in 1 hit if you were just 1 or 2 levels too low.
It's still an awesome game though.
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Probably Legend of Legaia.
There were bosses in that game that had attacks that could kill you in 1 hit if you were just 1 or 2 levels too low.
It's still an awesome game though.
Van Saryu :gwa:
But seriously guys, play Dual Orb 2 (http://www.fantasyanime.com/legacy2/dualorb2_about.htm) . You'll like it, but hate it at the same time.
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The first time I played Secret of Mana (actually the first 4 or 5 times), I couldn't figure out how to get out of the pond or whatever he is standing in at the very beginning. I swear I walked all around that thing, trying every inch of wall trying to get out. I just couldn't do it, and I don't know why. There was, of course, nothing on the internet about it because for some reason I'm the only person in the world to have trouble with it, no guides even mentioned HOW to get out of the goddamn thing. I tried numerous times to play because I heard it was awesome (it is) but could never do it! Finally after like having it for a year of not being able to play it I tried again and noticed the little break at the bottom or whatever (next to the sword???). Man I felt like a jackass but that's not even a turn-based RPG HAHAHA
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Don't laugh at me but Xenosaga, 1 and 2 anyway. I beat 3 without TOO much trouble, it's almost a shame the series ended there because they had finally hit their stride in the gameplay department. 1 and 2 are so god damn slow paced battlewise, and coupled with the extremely cheap/difficult bosses.... well, it's a bitch to play through! I mentioned this in a THINGS THAT PISSED YOU OFF IN GAMES topics awhile back but I'll never forget the time I spent like 30 minutes fighting one boss in XS2, carefully setting up my strategies, wittling him down, preparing for the final blow when I accidentally entered the wrong ATTACK COMBO and he promptly fucked me up. It's completely unforgiving a lot of the time.
I don't really like challenge in games. I mean, I like to have to use a LITTLE strategy and stuff, sure, but I hate being cockblocked just because I'm not TWINKIN MY DUDES and grinding ridiculous levels and shit. For me, fast paced/smooth gameplay and an interesting story are the best things I can look for in an RPG.
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Probably fucking Xenosaga. If not that, then some SMT game, like maladroit said.
This completely. Xenosaga 1 had the hardest and sometimes most unforgiving battle system ever. And even if you were winning shit would change LIKE THAT.
The other two were a little better.
And yeah, SMT: Nocturne (the only one I've played) was pretty brutal.
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just in standard RPGs: SMT: Nocturne
including turn based SRPG: Final Fantasy Tactics. The Elmdor fight. My god.
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fft had nothing on tactics ogre, toughest game ever made in my opinion.
try doing hell's gate without cheating.....
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There are so many hard games I could list but none of them are turnbased RPG's.
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nethack
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Hmm... toughest turn based RPG I have ever played... that is a good question... I think Breath of Fire II had its difficult moments, especially in some of the tough areas like HighFort... and Barubary, fucking impossible I swear... I felt like I could go on in life when I beat that game...
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Etrian Odyssey is pretty ridiculously difficult.
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SaGa Frontier 2, I bought it during the year of it’s release and sucked so very bad. Then, 2 weeks ago, I bought it again, but what should I say, I still suck at it =/.
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The hardest RPG I ever played was Final Fantasy VIII, but for a very good reason: I was pretty terrible at all games at the time, especially RPGs. It is now a breeze for me!
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including turn based SRPG: Final Fantasy Tactics. The Elmdor fight. My god.
FFT has the weirdest learning curve ever because for many people it is just impossible at first. By the time someone gets to the end and has mastered the system, though, they have developed invincible characters that are incapable of losing against anything except for those rare mobs of level 99 ninjas that throw the rarest items in the game at you. If you never intentionally horde job points, though (such as by grinding random battles, performing unecessary actions, and using the JP Up ability), the game is really hard in parts.
However I think you meant to say the Wiegraf and not the Elmdor fight because myself and at least three other people I know screwed themselves with a save just before Wiegraf, found it impossible, and had to start the game over from the beginning.
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Unlimited saga.
Too random, can't save in mission.
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Man, were you guys really having trouble with Xenosaga? I thought it was ridiculously easy. Or well, it was somewhat challenging at first but by the time you reached final dungeon, you'd kill any group of enemies before they could even attack you. One thing which sucked A LOT in Xenosaga episode 2 (or ep1, I don't remember anymore) was how enemies could boost over your boost, and it was complete bullshit. But anyway, episode 2 is easy as long as you know what you are doing with the whole combo/air/drop thing. I actually liked episode 2's battle system a lot, it's a shame that it was so slow because it could be among my favorite RPG battle systems otherwise.
Lunar SSSC and EB were fairly challenging when I beat them for the first time, but I recently played them again and for some reason, they didn't feel that challening at all. Maybe it's because I did a good deal of backtracking every now and then to replenish my hp and mp and I actually used those items which restore your mana, since as long as you use them moderately, you won't run out of them. The biggest challenge in Lunar games is how normal battles are actually challenging enough so that you have to use your skills and spells (this is a good thing) and then often you don't have much mp left when it's time for a boss fight. Even though Lunar isn't ridiculously difficult, it probably has the best difficulty out of all the RPG's I have played. You are actually forced think during normal encounters, and boss battles are challenging enough to give you some trouble.
This isn't a turn-based RPG (or it is, in a way) but Vagrant Story is the most difficult RPG I have played. It's a lot easier if you know what you are doing, but it can still be really challenging. Later in the game bosses can kill you with a single hit if you don't use correct counter, and it takes some practicing against that particular boss to get the timing down.
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However I think you meant to say the Wiegraf and not the Elmdor fight because myself and at least three other people I know screwed themselves with a save just before Wiegraf, found it impossible, and had to start the game over from the beginning.
yeah, this happened to me too when i was like 12. i got so pissed off and didn't play the game again for years, and even then it was with a gameshark.
probably saga frontier 2 though. the game jumps from being very, very easy to very difficult towards the end of the game and there is no in between or warning or anything. building up your characters doesn't even matter because you don't use any of them in the end of the game anyway, you use completely new characters you got like 4 scenarios ago and there are so few scenarios to play as them that the only way to get them good is to probably grind with them for hours. leveling up your skills and getting new attacks are also completely random, so you could go 100 fights and not learn a new move. man it is a shame the battle system and difficult in that game are so weird because otherwise it would be the best rpg.
rpgs are very bad though!
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I think the NES Dragon Warrior games were the hardest. You start the game with a stick and a loincloth
A Stick and Cloth Armor actually.
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Dragon Warrior takes a long time but I don't think it's really frustrating because most of the time you'll know right away if you're fucked or not - like I think the first 3 Dragon Warrior games barely even had BOSSES it was just a matter of going through the dungeon. So you didn't have to worry about this extremely hard boss at the end
I can't understand people who play strategy games - it sounds like playing an epic chess game against Gary Kasparov but you're in some weird parallel universe where if you beat enough retarded people in chess games you can get REALLY GOOD at chess - I mean I could understand Final Fantasy Tactics if nobody got stronger or anything and it was all buying the right supplies and stuff but there is also level-building and crap right?
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Cloth Armor
If cloth is armor, then I'm wearing armor everyday :gwa:
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If cloth is armor, then I'm wearing armor everyday :gwa:
But it's the armor that was made with ROBUST cloth
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The first five Wizardrys crushed your level 1, underequipped parties mercilessly then laughed at your misfortune as it autosaved your gruesome demise and scattered your party's corpses randomly around the dungeon, more or less forcing you to start from scratch. Good times. The series went through a huge change with the sixth installment and got one hell of a lot more forgiving, though.
As tough as the first few Wizardrys were, they still have nothing on the original Bard's Tale, where your fledgling party was sent out naked and unarmed to fight through a maze-like, monster infested city just to buy equipment. Also, it deleted your save when your party was annihilated (The manual even tells you not to get attached to your characters... harsh!)
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Dual Orb 2
I'll have to agree with Aten on that. Holy shit that game was hard. There's a battle where you fight this magician bastard(Gilzath) that is almost impossible to beat. The first half of the battle you think you can beat him, but all of a sudden he'll start using these insane fucking attacks that do 5000 damage to your whole party. At this point in the game, not even the hero has that much health. Even if you grind, he's still almost impossible to beat because his spells will kill you even if you gain 10 more levels. The only way to beat him is by equipping this Guard Talisman that reduces the damage dealt.
Every boss in that game is difficult. I could go on.
Also, Treasure of the Rudra gets incredibly difficult half way through. If you don't look up the walkthroughs to know the better spells in the game, you simply cannot win. The game relies so much on what spells you know it's ridiculous. I stopped playing the game because I get stuck on the bosses too much.
Edit: Btw Van Saryu from Legend of Legaia is nothing. Lapis on the other hand, is the hardest boss EVER.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLuyIPfNGKk&feature=related
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While Shin Megami Tensei can be difficult, there are many ways to break the various games. Charm bullets/skills, Armageddon, et cetera.
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Edit: Btw Van Saryu from Legend of Legaia is nothing. Lapis on the other hand, is the hardest boss EVER.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLuyIPfNGKk&feature=related
Yeah, but lapis is a hidden boss. If we're talking hidden bosses, then basically every hidden boss ever was hard. Omega, Ultima, Emerald, Shinryu, PENENCE etc
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7th Saga.. That game caused me an unnecessary amount of frustration.
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Yeah, but lapis is a hidden boss. If we're talking hidden bosses, then basically every hidden boss ever was hard. Omega, Ultima, Emerald, Shinryu, PENENCE etc
Fair enough.
Oh yeah, I would say 7th Saga is definately one of the hardest RPG's ever as well. I can't remember how many times I lost to Wilme or Red Pison.
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Man, were you guys really having trouble with Xenosaga? I thought it was ridiculously easy. Or well, it was somewhat challenging at first but by the time you reached final dungeon, you'd kill any group of enemies before they could even attack you. One thing which sucked A LOT in Xenosaga episode 2 (or ep1, I don't remember anymore) was how enemies could boost over your boost, and it was complete bullshit. But anyway, episode 2 is easy as long as you know what you are doing with the whole combo/air/drop thing. I actually liked episode 2's battle system a lot, it's a shame that it was so slow because it could be among my favorite RPG battle systems otherwise.
Lunar SSSC and EB were fairly challenging when I beat them for the first time, but I recently played them again and for some reason, they didn't feel that challening at all. Maybe it's because I did a good deal of backtracking every now and then to replenish my hp and mp and I actually used those items which restore your mana, since as long as you use them moderately, you won't run out of them. The biggest challenge in Lunar games is how normal battles are actually challenging enough so that you have to use your skills and spells (this is a good thing) and then often you don't have much mp left when it's time for a boss fight. Even though Lunar isn't ridiculously difficult, it probably has the best difficulty out of all the RPG's I have played. You are actually forced think during normal encounters, and boss battles are challenging enough to give you some trouble
See, I found Lunar easier than Xenosaga, though I probably got comparatively further in XS than any of the Lunar games. The bosses were more predictable and didn't CHEAT so fucking much. The unstopable enemy boosting is one of the main ways XS1 and 2 pissed me off (they axed it in XS3, thank the fuck christ). There's nothing lamer and cheaper than bosses and even regular enemies CONSTANTLY able to score free turns EVEN IF YOU'VE ALREADY ACTIVATED YOUR BOOST, especially when said enemies and bosses have cheap attacks too which can wipe you out in a turn.
Yes btw, I am still frustrated about Xenosaga. The battle system in the second one was better, yes, and it wasn't COCKBLOCKINGLY hard until the final couple of dungeons.. but when the difficulty ramped, it really really ramped.
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Xenogears. Fighting Dominia, and then Ramsus + Miang right afterwards submerged... That part of the game was pretty ridiculous, and took me a long time to get past.
Not to mention Opiomorph.
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I just gamesharked the later parts of Xenosaga 1 and 2, but I found 3 to be more enjoyable.
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The hardest turn-based RPG to me was probably one of the early Dragon Warrior games.
Oh, and what is with all of the comments about Xenosaga? I found Episode 1 to be fine in terms of difficulty.
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The hardest turn-based RPG to me was probably one of the early Dragon Warrior games.
Oh, and what is with all of the comments about Xenosaga? I found Episode 1 to be fine in terms of difficulty.
To me at least it wasn't the difficulty itself being too high so much as how frequently the curve would go up and down like a rollercoaster.
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I know it's been said, but:
SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI NOCTURNE. wtf @ the Moirae. oh my god.
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Saga Frontier 2. That damn game was nigh impossible. The final boss had some ridiculous insta-kill / Insta-stone skills. Before the final boss, there was this one psuedo tactical battle mini game, this particular battle wasnt too hard, but once you defeated all of the regular units, some ridiculously powerful, impossible to kill units began to mobilize. Since the forces you had were static; it was essentially impossible to just level up and beat it.
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I know it's been said, but:
SHIN MEGAMI TENSEI NOCTURNE. wtf @ the Moirae. oh my god.
The Moriae sisters themselves were pretty easy.
Their puzzle thing, however, was not. :fogetunsure:
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I'd say any Shin Megami Tensei game in which Hama is an instant kill spell. Oh, and when it is, it's usually coupled with the wonderful concept of "main character dies = game over". Some parts of the Amala Labyrinth in Nocturne (Maniacs version) made me want to throw my controller at the TV.
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Vagrant Story is ridiculous. Pretty much the only way to beat the hardest boss in the game is to be equipped with a really powerful two-handed sword, attack as much as you can, and then just before it uses its big ultimate attack switch to a really powerful shield.
Dual Orb 2, Legend of Legaia, SMT Nocturne, and Xenogears 2 are all pretty ridiculous too.
Dual Orb 2 is like... holy shit. I think I beat once, though I'm not sure, but I tried to beat the first boss about a month back when I started a new game and I got killed in 3 or so turns.
I'm probably remembering wrong, but I don't recall Xenosaga 1 being very hard. At least, I remember 2 being harder. The battle system in 2 was really frustrating though, because as Rowain has said, if you accidentally hit the wrong button you are pretty much guaranteed to lose. 3 is stupid easy if you do the hidden shit (which is pretty easy in and of itself really). I killed the final boss in 2 turns, and one of those was just to buff MOMO. It is fairly difficult near the end if you don't get the hidden stuff though.
But yeah Vagrant Story is probably the hardest because, while most bosses don't have timing quite as important as that (if you don't switch to a shield I'm pretty sure it's impossible to survive), they'll still fuck you up if you are off a bit.
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Vagrant Story is ridiculous. Pretty much the only way to beat the hardest boss in the game is to be equipped with a really powerful two-handed sword, attack as much as you can, and then just before it uses its big ultimate attack switch to a really powerful shield.
Nah. The best way of surviving the final boss (which, I'm assuming, is the one you mean by the hardest one) - and really every boss in the game - is to understand the RISK system and your weapon's affinity. If your RISK reaches a high number you receive one hell of a blast to your HP when the final boss uses his uber-attack. If you keep your RISK low, you're only going to lose about half your HP. And keep in mind that enemies/bosses have multiple affinity stats (monster type, element, type of damage), and they are opposed. A Lich isn't likely to fall easily to a dark-affinity weapon, for example. The fact that you can forge new weapons in the game, coupled with one of the best soundtracks of all time and a great storyline makes VS the top game on my list. :)
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Final Fantasy 5, I had a lot of battles overturn very quickly from some of those bosses overpowered attacks. The end boss took me so many tries, that I actually GRINDED, and I never grind in RPGs, makes them too easy, and I feel like I'm cheating. It's very rewarding to play with the minimal amount of grind, and know that you're playing the game in it's most challenging state. For this same reason, I played Final Fantasy tactics without any grinding, and after beating it that way, decided on a minimal battle run, where I would reset and load my last waypoint if I hit a random battle on the way to a story battle. Needless to say, it was overwhelmingly difficult, I don't think I got more than halfway before I gave up from the stompings the bosses kept handing me.
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at least three other people I know screwed themselves with a save just before Wiegraf, found it impossible, and had to start the game over from the beginning.
I had to restart the game twice because of this.
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the hardest ones i have played has to be Wasteland and Bard's Tale 2.
wasteland has to be one of the best turn based RPG's i have ever played. but very hard to get started. You would get ripped and beaten into a pulp the fist 5 exp levels if your not careful.
bards tale 2 was just a pain in the ass. every dungeon had fall through floors that a level 30 dragon\creature would spawn on. or if you stepped on a the wrong tile it would teleport you to the entrance of the dungeon. or tiles that would spin you around and shift you in a different direction. i dont know it's strange those games were exciting because you never knew if you you were going to get your butt kicked by a random mob even if you were high level. SO ANti Oblivion or MMORPG's.
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I had to restart the game twice because of this.
You guys know, if you are talking about the PSX version that you can just use Rubber Boots to negate his Bolt Sword attack. After that just kick his ass. But yeah, ironically Im playing the PSP version right now and im just got to him, and they took that trick out.
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This is some bullshit
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As a few people pointed out already...
7th Saga: You're playing alone most of the time. I remember the first fight against this Pison (I think) guy and lost after taking 2 hits. And I grinded. Got even tougher later on. I think I stopped playing after 6, 7 hours.
Secret of the Stars: There's about 16 characters to play with and still 11 of them are useless until very late in the game. You can switch parties anytime, but you never really need to. It's bad enough you get low exp. and grind for hours, the bosses still kick your ass with spells hurting the entire party. Mage users attack for 10, 15 damage tops in the end and their spells don't help them (100 to 200 damage tops). When you're about to finish the game, you need to grind another group for 10, 15 hours to get through a boss or two because you can't use your main party. This game is frustrating and not rewarding, unless you got 40 hours of your life to lose where you'll spend 30 of them grinding.
Final Fantasy I on the NES: I'm surprised no one mentioned this when they were talking about the FF series. I thought it was really hard. If all your characters attacked the same enemy and it died before the enemy party was killed and all of your characters used their turn, the system would not redirect the attack on another enemy. Instead, you'd waste a turn and got the grand prize of taking a beating from the other enemies. You could never know which equipment was suited for which character when you were buying, much less with spells (but I'm not 100 % sure about the last one though). System was slow, leveling up took forever too.
Phantasy Star I and II: Enemies hit way too hard even if you were overleveled... Pretty much the same as the others above.
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You guys know, if you are talking about the PSX version that you can just use Rubber Boots to negate his Bolt Sword attack.
There are a lot of things you *can* do but if your only save is right before that battle and you happen not to have anything like that in your inventory you are screwed.
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There are a lot of things you *can* do but if your only save is right before that battle and you happen not to have anything like that in your inventory you are screwed.
True.
Alot of people take Ramza for granted, I suppose.
Also, I thought the first major battle with Gaffgarion was pretty tough. (At the guillotine gallows)
Edit: Nope, you guys were wrong. I just found an incredibly easy way to beat Wiegraf.
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I'd say any Shin Megami Tensei game in which Hama is an instant kill spell. Oh, and when it is, it's usually coupled with the wonderful concept of "main character dies = game over". Some parts of the Amala Labyrinth in Nocturne (Maniacs version) made me want to throw my controller at the TV.
You realize that in most SMT games where Hama is instant death, the main character is automatically immune to it, right? Like, I think the Persona* series and SMT3 are the only ones where Hama is instant death and can hurt the main character.
*Even then, P3 is the only one where the main character dies = Game Over
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You realize that in most SMT games where Hama is instant death, the main character is automatically immune to it, right? Like, I think the Persona* series and SMT3 are the only ones where Hama is instant death and can hurt the main character.
*Even then, P3 is the only one where the main character dies = Game Over
No, it's the same way in Nocturne. If skinny asian kid gets hit with hama it's game over.
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No, it's the same way in Nocturne. If skinny asian kid gets hit with hama it's game over.
Yeah every monster and their dog's brood has a death spell or two in megaten.
By the way, I think FF4 hardtype is impossible. Every attack Zeromus has is BIG BANG or NUKE or DESTROY or HARRY TRUMAN or something. Seems like he goes through the moves like tissues, too.
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No, it's the same way in Nocturne. If skinny asian kid gets hit with hama it's game over.
Just FYI SMT3's full title is Shin Megami Tensei 3: Nocturne.
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Mother 1. I guess the hard thing about it is that you need to powerlevel for 3 hours as soon as you leave your house.
But still.. the monster are hard and encounter rate is off the roof..
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Just FYI SMT3's full title is Shin Megami Tensei 3: Nocturne.
Except you said P3 which to me means Persona 3, since it's also a Shin Megami Tensei game.
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No, I said that Hama is instant death and can kill the main characters in the Persona series and SMT3, then pointed out that the only Persona game where the main character dying matters is Persona 3.
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Oh I completely missed where you said SMT3 in the original post that I quoted.
Whooooooooooooops
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just in standard RPGs: SMT: Nocturne
including turn based SRPG: Final Fantasy Tactics. The Elmdor fight. My god.
Is that where Ramza fought 1v1? Or was it the Wiegraf battle? Because that one on one battle gave me hell. You HAD to be a monk to have learned chakra and earth slash (or whatever the name is) to even stand a chance. I restarted the game atleast 3-4 times from that point just to go back and start over. Beat it finally though.
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You HAD to be a monk to have learned chakra and earth slash (or whatever the name is) to even stand a chance.
Untrue. You could become a squire and use the skills that bring up your speed, strength and bravery so he cant touch you and you get double turns on hm lol. If anything, the 1vs1 part is the EASY part of that battle. The second half is hell cause the fucking enemies hit like 200+ damage off you.
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Subterranean for the Genesis was the hardest game I've played. It's a kind of space ship shooter, and idk how to explain what type it is (not topdown view or sidescroller). But the controls take a while to get use to, and it has a pretty short fuel meter. If you don't understand and want to understand, just download it or something.
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Thats an RPG?
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No. I can't read.
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lol @ Aztec
Anyone played Paladin's Quest?
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I tend to find a lot of them hard.
I give up within a few hours.
I don;t mean hard I mean SNOOZE boring. Making me go through the same repetative shit system over and over again against different coloured floating skulls. (ff tactics advance is the most boring game ever created. like MATHS ADVENTURE contains more fun.)
Aztec you silly jewep
but when theay are not boring they are the easiest games ever invented (some final fantasies, chrono trigger, zoids legacy, pokemon etc etc)
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The hardest turn-based game is final fantasy X-2. I had to train over 40 LEVELS just to beat Azi Dahaka, i think it's name was. But as soon as i beat him my idiot brother accidentally saved over my game.
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Definitely Legend of Legaia.
That's one of those games that I used to rent all the time as a kid, but was too dumb to actually buy, and now it's fairly expensive.
Anyway, I remember the first boss taking almost an hour to beat. Needless to say, I didn't get much farther than that. I'd still like to pick up a copy sometime and see if it is actually as tough as I remember it.
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Immediately after reading this topic, only one game came to mind.
7th Saga is the hardest turn-based RPG I have ever played, it's literally impossible unless you grind for a good 100 hours or so.
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ahahaha man i remember 7th saga. i chose LUX (HE IS A TETUJIN) and he started off being way better than everyone else but he used his fists instead of weapons so he scaled really poorly and as a result by the time i got to the last area or w/e he was literally hitting every enemy for like ONE DAMAGE POINT so i just turned it off and forgot about it. what a ridiculous game that was.
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Dual Orb 2
Hahaha I recall that I got stuck during the "Barrel Puzzle" for like a month! I just gave up...cause I tried using walktroughs and everything but no luck..and you cant really gameshark a puzzle... so I just dropped it :(
The actual rpg elements were okay...just lots of grind.
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Immediately after reading this topic, only one game came to mind.
7th Saga is the hardest turn-based RPG I have ever played, it's literally impossible unless you grind for a good 100 hours or so.
Stupid game. I thought it was pretty good really but yeah the grinding is out of control and some of the characters are useless. It's important to note however that the original Japanese game was tons easier that if you really want to you can download a difficulty fix patch. The Japanese version is apparently pretty balanced and fun.
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Star Ocean The Second Story.... Beating Indalecio is a bitch with his limiter off.
Wait nvm... I just realized the topic was about TURN BASED RPG's as in no ATB.