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Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Ryan on April 13, 2008, 12:23:26 am
New reports that Al Gore and Jimmy Carter are planning on endorsing Barack Obama or asking Hillary Clinton to drop out. (http://news.scotsman.com/latestnews/It39s-Obama-stupid-Carter-and.3976738.jp)


This is from the same paper (the Scotsman) that ran the Samantha Powers story, however all of the sources are anonymous, so yeah!
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Mama Luigi on April 13, 2008, 01:20:04 am
This is great news for Obama fans! (like myself)

I can only hope those anonymous sources are correct.
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 13, 2008, 02:11:55 am
too bad obama called rednecks worthless and clinton is trying to spin it huge :(
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Marmot on April 13, 2008, 06:39:40 am
i doubt many rednecks like obama anyway [iam ][/iam]
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: The Truth on April 13, 2008, 06:46:59 am
I'll believe it when I see it in an American paper, they let their one scoop get to their head it seems.

Also he didn't call them worthless, he essentially said that because of the economic depression that poor whites have rallied around two things they identify with that Washington can't take away: Church and guns.

He's 110% correct and probably worded it nicer than I would have.

(ps rednecks are worthless)
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Cho on April 13, 2008, 09:15:52 pm
You just know the Clinton had an orgasm when she heard Obama say that. If this causes him to lose, you can blame Rolling Stone for putting him on a cover.
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Blitzen on April 14, 2008, 05:38:16 am
Jimmy Carter was always such a nice guy.
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Ryan on April 14, 2008, 05:44:25 pm
I guess the news media is feeling bad ever since SNL's guilt trip and now they all seem to be favoring Clinton apparently because I have not heard a single word of this and instead any time I turn it to CNN the past few weeks all I see how bad Obama screwed up this time. I don't think Jimmy Carter is at all relevant but a possible Al Gore (who was VP under the Clinton administration) endorsement would be HUGE news and you would think they would be discussing this instead of Obama's bowling ability or him calling people bitter.

yeah it amazes me how they still paint the picture of it being NECK AND NECK and Clinton being relevant at all really! her only chance is a "Dean-scream" moment by Obama or some political tsunami which is getting less and less likely after he proved he had the ability to handle political crisis well (Rev. Wright stuff)
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 14, 2008, 06:14:38 pm
obamas not doing that much better, it's still close.

mccains gonna win anyways.
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: The Truth on April 14, 2008, 07:36:44 pm
obamas not doing that much better, it's still close.

mccains gonna win anyways.

this is a really ignorant statement, pay attention to the delegate math nigga
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: tuxedo marx on April 15, 2008, 04:04:25 pm
The Scotsman is actually a pretty reputable journal, so I wouldn't at all surprised to find that this hasn't been exaggerated.
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: WunderBread on April 15, 2008, 10:03:06 pm
I was under the impression that nobody cared about small town America, anyway. :shrug:

As nice as it would be to experience a Democratic presidential term right about now, I also agree that McCain probably has a strong chance at winning the race. America just seems more Republican right now.

That said, I know that America wants an aggresive president (Lord knows why, we already seem too aggressive), and that they pushed on Clinton for being a "flip-flopper", but she really seems way too aggressive for my tastes right now. While Obama seems to be more passive to me (or, at least, more composed), every time I see Clinton on television she always seems to be stirring something up. Granted, Obama's had his share of messes, too, but at the very least I get a more positive feel about his personality. It may just be the media showing Clinton in a bad light, but she still feels off, to me.

Al Gore and Jimmy Carter joining forces for Obama would be crazy. It'd be interesting if it actually happened.
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: jamie on April 15, 2008, 10:06:38 pm
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but she really seems way too aggressive for my tastes right now.


sigh
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: WunderBread on April 15, 2008, 10:08:06 pm

sigh

Uh, that's descriptive. Care to elaborate? :)
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Zeitgeist on April 16, 2008, 03:43:54 pm
I was under the impression that nobody cared about small town America, anyway. :shrug:

1. I also agree that McCain probably has a strong chance at winning the race. America just seems more Republican right now.

2. That said, I know that America wants an aggresive president

1. Who the fuck wants a Republican president post the Bush era?

2. Sources. I'm always hearing, "Bring the troops home," and all this other BS that's against the war, but Americans want a Republican president, who would do the exact opposite?
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 16, 2008, 03:45:29 pm
1. Who the fuck wants a Republican president post the Bush era?

everyone who doesn't want the nigger or the bitch.

basically all of the white population of the south.
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: WunderBread on April 17, 2008, 01:33:24 am
1. Who the fuck wants a Republican president post the Bush era?
everyone who doesn't want the nigger or the bitch.

basically all of the white population of the south.
Some truth in that. This becomes more obvious, I suppose, when you live where I do. Also, the Republican states? Yeah, they tend to vote Republican.

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2. Sources. I'm always hearing, "Bring the troops home," and all this other BS that's against the war, but Americans want a Republican president, who would do the exact opposite?
I never said anything about "aggressive" pertaining to the war . I'm talking about how people seem to want a president with an aggressive personality. Granted, we all want a decisive person as a president, but at the Democratic debate, when Hilary confessed that she could understand both sides of the spectrum on the issue of illegal immigrants and driving permits, she was highly criticized because of her empathy for both sides. Since then she's taken a much more critical, often abrasive strategy to her politics, which seems to be solidifying her voting base (though it scares away some new voters, which is apparently helping her anyway because a majority of these new Democratic voters go for Obama). Sure, she might deserve a little criticism for straddling the fence, at times, but I think I preferred the Hilary who could understand both sides of the argument, i.e. Democratic debate last year, rather than this harsher version. That's not to say that the other candidates haven't been the same at times, though.
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: goat on April 17, 2008, 04:11:14 am
too bad obama called rednecks worthless and clinton is trying to spin it huge :(
You mean he called pennsylvanians "bitter"? Aren't you spinning it just as much?  -_-
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 17, 2008, 03:30:45 pm
You mean he called pennsylvanians "bitter"? Aren't you spinning it just as much?  -_-

no.

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"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

only a white trash redneck could seriously take offense to this statement.

I DONT CLING TO MAH GUNS OR JAYSUS FOR BITTERNESS I JUST NEED TO SHOOT THE NIGGER WHEN THE WAR COMES.
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on April 18, 2008, 01:54:09 am
the only reason you read comics is as a way of explaining why you're socially isolated
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 18, 2008, 02:14:03 am
the only reason you read comics is as a way of explaining why you're socially isolated

comics are probably the worst thing I keep up with and are the gayest shit ever, so yeah, if someone said STEEL POSTS ON FORUMS AND READS COMICS BECAUSE HE'S KIND OF A NERD, I wouldn't deny it too fervently.

except usually the people who do this do it in reponse to criticisms about themselves, but that's neither there nor here. I was being facetious, but I generally agree with what Obama said, most of the people who are all DAMN MEXICANS are pretty dumb people angry about MY JORB!!!
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Feldschlacht IV on April 18, 2008, 02:44:39 am
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"You go into some of these small towns in Pennsylvania, and like a lot of small towns in the Midwest, the jobs have been gone now for 25 years and nothing's replaced them," Obama said. "And they fell through the Clinton Administration, and the Bush Administration, and each successive administration has said that somehow these communities are gonna regenerate and they have not. And it's not surprising then they get bitter, they cling to guns or religion or antipathy to people who aren't like them or anti-immigrant sentiment or anti-trade sentiment as a way to explain their frustrations."

As someone who was born and lived in PA all my life, and as been all over the state I'm going to say that this statement is absolutely correct.
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: jamie on April 18, 2008, 04:26:18 am
i want to see the clip cos if the wording was exactly as it was in that quotation then this nothing at all but spin
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 18, 2008, 04:56:13 am
I don't believe there's a clip, it was a private function.
Title: A possible end to the democratic nomination?
Post by: jamie on April 19, 2008, 01:18:12 am
i like how the response has basically been

BITTER? i'm never gonna forgive this motherfucker...