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Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Cyberg-Ares on April 18, 2008, 02:37:17 pm
This company, High Voltage Software, has made an engine for the Wii, like Unreal Engine 3, which puts just about every game on the Wii to same (perhaps including Brawl!) Just check out the tech demo and screenshots here: The Conduit and Quantum3 (http://wii.ign.com/articles/867/867498p1.html)

Of course, whats really going to be exciting, is to see how Square-Enix are gonna match this engine, because after seeing what they've pushed onto the DS, I think they are gonna make great things with The Crystal Bearers (although it might only look as good as it did in the first gameplay trailer...).
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Sludgelord on April 18, 2008, 02:58:38 pm
sweet. gamers have been waiting for selectable embossed-styled bump lighting for a long time.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Bisse on April 18, 2008, 03:17:57 pm
uum.

I don't really think it looks very good at all. Maybe it's the models or textures but I think it looks bland, uninteresting and kind of low-tech. The low-tech part isn't a problem, but the bland and uninteresting is.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Neophyte on April 18, 2008, 03:37:12 pm
I'm not impressed.
I'm no expert or anything, but man those screenshots are lacking some anti-aliasing. Not to mention the textures aren't even close to that even Half Life 2(an almost 4 year old game). It seems all they talked about in the video was 5 year old technology. The draw distance is horrible as well, compared to the games out now. IMO this puts nothing to shame.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Cyberg-Ares on April 18, 2008, 04:12:40 pm
Okay, I didn't really check out the screenshots very carefully. The Conduit is ugly so far (pre-alpha stage anyone?)

But PLEASE check out the tech video. Because it IS impressive, considering what we've seen so far from third part wii projects.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Neophyte on April 18, 2008, 05:28:36 pm
I saw the video. I thought the Wii was already capable of doing this. And didn't some people say that the Unreal 3 engine could be ported to the Wii or something?
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: wilikeh on April 18, 2008, 06:18:38 pm
anyone else feel like the metroid game for wii looks better than this?
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: theHunter on April 18, 2008, 06:28:40 pm
The vid isnt impressive at all.

But, how can it be?
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: maladroithim on April 18, 2008, 06:46:50 pm
Quote from: theHunter on April 18, 2008, 06:28:40 pm
The vid isnt impressive at all.

But, how can it be?

Dude most of the time you post I can't even understand what you are trying to say.

I think that gamers' focus on the middleware that the industry uses is completely retarted because it really has nothing to do with how good or even how attractive the game is going to be.  Also that FPS doesn't look particularly fantastic.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Fire Mage on April 18, 2008, 08:08:13 pm
i'm kind of shocked that everyone is like "i'm not impressed" like a giant bandwagon

i think it looks pretty good...so idk. graphics aren't everything anyway.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Cardinal Ximenez on April 18, 2008, 08:30:19 pm
Now if only Nintendo could catch up to the other two with online services.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: theHunter on April 18, 2008, 08:58:22 pm
Quote from: maladroithim on April 18, 2008, 06:46:50 pm
Dude most of the time you post I can't even understand what you are trying to say.

I think that gamers' focus on the middleware that the industry uses is completely retarted because it really has nothing to do with how good or even how attractive the game is going to be.  Also that FPS doesn't look particularly fantastic.

How a a vid of an engine showcasing the Wii's graphics as impressive when we've seen PC, 360, & PS3 games?
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Aten on April 18, 2008, 09:05:38 pm
Quote from: Cyberg-Ares on April 18, 2008, 02:37:17 pm
Of course, whats really going to be exciting, is to see how Square-Enix are gonna match this engine

:fogetlaugh: you're kidding right? No one can match Square man. They're like the GOD of graphics. You can't even attempt to match Square against some 'engine' on the Wii, ( because they'll most likely blow it apart).
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Kezay on April 18, 2008, 09:15:04 pm
Quote from: Cyberg-Ares on April 18, 2008, 04:12:40 pm
Okay, I didn't really check out the screenshots very carefully. The Conduit is ugly so far (pre-alpha stage anyone?)

But PLEASE check out the tech video. Because it IS impressive, considering what we've seen so far from third part wii projects.

Indeed, although I'd hope that the tech video shows what is possible under practical conditions as the game as it stands now at the least only looks decent.  Would be nice if the final result came out looking like that tech vid., but we'll see I suppose.  In any case it certainly helps when a dev. tries to tap into the Wii somewhat whether it be the controls or otherwise.  Godfather, Zack and Wiki and No More Heroes are three of my favorite games on Wii because they are genuinely decent to great games that seemed intent on maximizing on some aspect of the machine. (though mostly in controls, I suppose, those Zack and Wiki is a damn fine game in looks too)
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Kaworu on April 18, 2008, 09:19:18 pm
Quote from: Aten on April 18, 2008, 09:05:38 pm
:fogetlaugh: you're kidding right? No one can match Square man. They're like the GOD of graphics. You can't even attempt to match Square against some 'engine' on the Wii, ( because they'll most likely blow it apart).
apart from in game graphics square are really far behind guys like Crytech, Valve, 2k etc etc. (Heck let's face it Crysis in game looks more solid than Square's cutscenes *_*)

Dudes this isn't meant to be like "WOW WII IS A TECH POWERHOUSE". It's meant to be "we can now apply these four year old effects to the wii, which people didn't think possible". Like I mean it's not gunna be able to compare to £2000 GAMING RIG RUNNING CRYSIS ON FULL RES. For console graphics (heh, imagine me takling down when I use the words console and graphics in the same sentence... like the dirt beneath my feet) I guess it looks ok, like it can hold it's own against average PS3/Xbox360 title. For being a wii demo, it looks very good (the absense of cliche big eyed cartoon characters of course makes it look somewhat better than it's competition... let's face it)
In game with blinding amounts of bloom, shaders creating random smoke to obscure shit and such it'd probably look low-end current gen. Which for the wii is very impressive, you can't really deny it.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Eltee on April 18, 2008, 09:55:38 pm
The tech demo doesn't even look so good. Other Wii games actually look better than this.

The tech demo guy is so full of himself though. THIS IS NOT PRE-RENDERED! IT'S LIVE! NO POST-EFFECTS WERE USED!

Oh yeah, forget the framerate is like, 20FPS.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Aten on April 18, 2008, 10:47:19 pm
Quote from: Kaworu on April 18, 2008, 09:19:18 pm
(Heck let's face it Crysis in game looks more solid than Square's cutscenes *_*)

 :fogetgasp:

you mean ingame cutscenes, or the FMV's, (like the opening FMV), because I KNOW it cant be like the FMV's. If somehow in the universe it IS, then I'm so  :fogetinsane:
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Kaworu on April 18, 2008, 11:10:53 pm
Quote from: Aten on April 18, 2008, 10:47:19 pm
:fogetgasp:

you mean ingame cutscenes, or the FMV's, (like the opening FMV), because I KNOW it cant be like the FMV's. If somehow in the universe it IS, then I'm so  :fogetinsane:
ingame scenes are scripted scenes, cutscenes are fmvs.

also
http://www3.incrysis.com/screenshots/crysis-render-black-guy.jpg   (it actually really is this good if you have a somewht decent PC)
http://forums.legitreviews.com/images/random/crysis.jpg
http://www.hardwired.hu/img/wg/2/743/Crysis_44.jpg
http://www.counteragent.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/crysis_demo_mod_level_frozen_island.jpg
http://thegamergene.com/crunch/2007/10/crysis.jpg

but it's for PC, and like graphics wise PC always seems to be 3-5 years ahead of consoles (like how consoles are only now being able to do shit like HL2 which came out in 2004)
I think PS3 can only run Crysis on it's medium settings (out of low-medium-high-very high), it is a very graphics intensive game!

Also HL2 Lost Coast came out in like 2005 and that had:
http://images.bit-tech.net/content_images/hl2_hdr_overview/1024_oldman.jpg
http://img72.imageshack.us/img72/8600/lc1if5.jpg
etc etc
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Ravey on April 18, 2008, 11:12:03 pm
No One Lives Forever 2 looks much better and it was released 6 years ago... The Wii would probably be better suited to quirky FPS games like the Time Splitters series, something more artistic with attention to finer details that aren't graphically intensive.

It's not like Unreal Engine 3 and Square are not the gods of graphics, they're just a bunch of knuckleheads.
Also Final Fantasy FMVs can't really be compared to Crysis at all.

Crysis was pseudo-good, it lured you in and then sucked without you even knowing it. As good as the graphics are, there were plenty more console games that I would consider better artistically. That's pretty much why Wii developers should concentrate on not doing generic shooters that won't compete with the other consoles and come up with something  a little more creative.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Marcus on April 18, 2008, 11:50:47 pm
Alright, the Wii can finally emulate the look of a 2001 computer! 

Hey, maybe the conduit engine can run Deus Ex and Thief II?

Oh shit, do you know what would be cool?  IF THEY TOTALLY PORTED BROTHER'S IN ARMS ROAD TO HILL 30!!!  I loved playing that game 4 years ago and sure would love to play it again today!
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Neophyte on April 19, 2008, 12:13:49 am
I wonder if they can pull off Doom 3!

And Aten, Crysis is way ahead of Square in terms of graphics(not counting old school FMV's). But this is expected of a PC title. The game isn't that good, but the Crytek engine itself is amazing.
I don't think the Wii is made for this kind of stuff, but it's still nice to see....I guess.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Dale Gobbler on April 19, 2008, 12:16:15 am
heh Deus Ex? I've played many gamecube games with better graphics than that. (I love Deus Ex). I think the Wii's graphics are pretty decent compared to the 360 and Ps3. I mean their obviously not as good, but for a $150 machine it has pretty good graphics. Also where is everyone getting the 2001 standard from? Because a lot of the Wii games look better than the last gen console games (Gamecube/Ps2/Xbox), which either stopped putting out titles in '06 or are still putting out titles.

Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Marcus on April 19, 2008, 12:26:51 am
Hey Aztec, look up hyperbole in the dictionary.

I'm just laughing my ass off because now that games on other consoles are becoming more advanced developers have to find different ways to market Wii games.  I have a feeling that Wii sales will look PITIFUL this christmas compared to 360 and PS3 sales and the future looks pretty grim because the Wii can't keep up with the big boys.  Nintendo will always produce good games but it's kind of ironic that there probably won't be any more "new and original" stuff (which people said the Wii would be known for but so far all we've gotten is RESIDENT EVIL 4 WIIMAKE and OKAMI PS2 PORT).

oh yeah, a mario game, supr smsh bors and a gamecube port of a zelda game or something.

oh and then there's wii fit and we cheer, the most accurate (by accurate i mean inacurate) cheerleading simulation on the market.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Aten on April 19, 2008, 02:01:44 am
Quote from: Kaworu on April 18, 2008, 11:10:53 pm
http://forums.legitreviews.com/images/random/crysis.jpg

Holy shit!! Are you sure the bottom pics aren't from your back yard?  :fogetlaugh: like.....damn..


Quote from: Neophyte on April 19, 2008, 12:13:49 am
And Aten, Crysis is way ahead of Square in terms of graphics

I see that now, but then again, I wasn't comparing Square to Crysis, I was arguing the fact that the dude said the console application would give Square a hard time and I was basically like "no dude, no one can beat/match Square on the console".
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Ragnar on April 19, 2008, 02:05:08 am
man it could just be the crappy video quality but I think I actually like Red Steel better graphically than this because even if the graphics did kind of suck at least it didn't feel super-generic like this does

Also I know the tech video is just TECH but the whole look feels so ultra-generic like Goldeneye was an awesome game and all but that whole time period I never felt like there was any underlying theme to the graphics at all it was just like MAKE A TABLE MAKE A TOILET - the tech video feels like that but higher texture resolution

Not to mention the game itself looks like Half-Life 2 for N64

Edit: I think the only thing that really catches my eye in those screens is the CARS - I bet the game is going to come out and it's going to turn out to be some big product placement for HONDA or something

Edit: Man this game reminds me of one of those shitty 3D visor things they have at theme parks where like you would never play it if not for the gimmick because it looks so shitty
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Mama Luigi on April 19, 2008, 03:17:26 am
Huh... I bet this would look better if it was not so compressed. It looks pretty good, minus what appears to be horrible compression.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: thejackyl on April 19, 2008, 04:21:11 am
the compressed video may be causing the problem with the graphics, but come on.  The Wii is more catered towards the "Games are Art" and "Gameplay Over Graphics" crowds, whereas the XBOX and PS3 are catering towards the Graphics whores.

I'd honestly like to see a Wii game with better graphic than the Gamecube, but hell, as long as the game is fun, I'll play it.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Kezay on April 19, 2008, 06:22:11 am
Quote from: thejackyl on April 19, 2008, 04:21:11 am
the compressed video may be causing the problem with the graphics, but come on.  The Wii is more catered towards the "Games are Art" and "Gameplay Over Graphics" crowds, whereas the XBOX and PS3 are catering towards the Graphics whores.

I'd honestly like to see a Wii game with better graphic than the Gamecube, but hell, as long as the game is fun, I'll play it.

True enough, some of the straight up ports are a blast to play this time around as in some cases the controller does offer a new angle on gameplay, but it doesn't hurt to have a bit of eye candy now and again alongside that.  But generally speaking, I agree with the bolded overall.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: goat on April 19, 2008, 06:43:36 am
Quote from: Fire Mage on April 18, 2008, 08:08:13 pm
i'm kind of shocked that everyone is like "i'm not impressed" like a giant bandwagon

We would have to be jumping on the bandwagon, cause there's no reason that many people would agree on these graphics looking so bad...

But seriously, we won't see unreal 3 on the Wii anytime soon ever, and why are we even comparing square-enix to crysis? They haven't even approached Far Cry yet, if you ask me.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Marcus on April 19, 2008, 07:35:44 am
Quote
The Wii is more catered towards the "Games are Art"

yes, carnival games and puppy petting simulations are true art.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Kezay on April 19, 2008, 07:50:15 am
Quote from: Aztec on April 19, 2008, 12:16:15 am
heh Deus Ex? I've played many gamecube games with better graphics than that. (I love Deus Ex). I think the Wii's graphics are pretty decent compared to the 360 and Ps3. I mean their obviously not as good, but for a $150 machine it has pretty good graphics. Also where is everyone getting the 2001 standard from? Because a lot of the Wii games look better than the last gen console games (Gamecube/Ps2/Xbox), which either stopped putting out titles in '06 or are still putting out titles.

Indeed, although with a lot of people that is a big mark on the system that it's not as advanced; quite a few people simply aren't content with that.  But otherwise, yeah there are games on Wii that do look great in their own right (Endless Ocean, for example) with some others that simply look pretty nice in general. (Super Mario Galaxy and Metroid come to mind)  Certainly, the Wii is no powerhouse but it's apparent when a dev. comes along that makes attempt to create a great looking game as well considering what they're working with.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: theHunter on April 19, 2008, 08:43:09 am
Quote from: angry black man on April 19, 2008, 07:35:44 am
yes, carnival games and puppy petting simulations are true art.

Theyre not but stripping is.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Kaworu on April 19, 2008, 08:55:15 am
Quote from: thejackyl on April 19, 2008, 04:21:11 am
The Wii is more catered towards the "Games are Art" blah blah
name ONE Wii exclusive game that fits in that category.

The wii is prettymuch counter-art in the games it promotes. Like Shallow, superficial, gimmick reliant minigames bundled in one pack.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Mongoloid on April 19, 2008, 09:47:26 am
So wait, this game is an attempt to prove only that Wii is not a piece of crap?
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Ravey on April 19, 2008, 12:58:08 pm
Quote from: Eric on April 19, 2008, 09:47:26 am
So wait, this game is an attempt to prove only that Wii is not a piece of crap?
They're trying to prove that third party developers are chumpstains and they're lazy with their graphics + They want to see more mature games on the Wii market because publishers aren't backing the developers up. I guess it's kinda nice to see something a little more technically impressive on a less capable console, but i'd really like to see something minimalist with graphics on a grand scale.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: thejackyl on April 19, 2008, 02:49:03 pm
Quote from: Kaworu
name ONE Wii exclusive game that fits in that category.

The wii is prettymuch counter-art in the games it promotes. Like Shallow, superficial, gimmick reliant minigames bundled in one pack.

Perhaps I stated that wrong...
I just meant games on the Wii don't focus on being realistic as much as they focus on the art direction or having a specific style (See: No More Heroes)
Yeah, some games are a series on minigames (See: Wii Play, Carnival Games), and I am kind of hoping that the next gen of consoles, that Nintendo will return to a more conventional controller.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: Kezay on April 20, 2008, 08:41:26 pm
Quote from: thejackyl on April 19, 2008, 02:49:03 pm
Perhaps I stated that wrong...
I just meant games on the Wii don't focus on being realistic as much as they focus on the art direction or having a specific style (See: No More Heroes)
Yeah, some games are a series on minigames (See: Wii Play, Carnival Games), and I am kind of hoping that the next gen of consoles, that Nintendo will return to a more conventional controller.

Indeed, although maybe it's a better direction to pursue because Wii can't exactly pull off anything you would see from the UE3 or pretty much anything the other consoles offer by comparison.  Though in a sense it probably should't matter since the Wii is obviously lacking in that area overall to begin with; some games like you said with No More Heroes go for a certain style, although some games out there do have some pretty good graphics when going somewhat in a realistic direction. (Endless Ocean, for example)  But for the most part it seems the best looking ones are those with a colorful atmosphere (Zack and Wiki, Super Mario Galaxy) or with an exaggerated sci fi orientation to them. (Metroid Prime 3)  With that said, thus far the only Fatal Frame IV shots out there are from the trailer though that could be another game to consider when talking about games with a more realistic approach.

Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: reko on April 20, 2008, 10:44:01 pm
Quote from: Mr. L on April 18, 2008, 09:55:38 pm
The tech demo doesn't even look so good. Other Wii games actually look better than this.

The tech demo guy is so full of himself though. THIS IS NOT PRE-RENDERED! IT'S LIVE! NO POST-EFFECTS WERE USED!

Oh yeah, forget the framerate is like, 20FPS.
This. I didn't expect anything great to begin with, but the guy who was demoing it spoke like the tech demo is something awesome and new while it seemed like a very mediocre engine with today's standards.
Title: I Knew the Power of the Wii Was Being Squandered, But Seriously?
Post by: missingno on April 21, 2008, 05:15:37 pm
Quote from: wilikeh on April 18, 2008, 06:18:38 pm
anyone else feel like the metroid game for wii looks better than this?

Yeah, I doubt any FPS on the Wii could top Metroid Prime 3, except for another Metroid game.