Oh jokes haha, didn't see that, but think we could keep the topic anyways.. and fix your link man, it's streching the page.
Crystal Demon Swordblade:o
this is the gayest shit in the world and about a thousand times more gross than kingdom hearts or smash brothers brawl. All that colossal effort with the graphics and stuff could've gone into making an original game instead of this fanboy crap.BECAUSE THOSE ARE TOTALLY TERRIBLE GAMES. (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/supersmashbrosbrawl?q=super%20smash)
BECAUSE THOSE ARE TOTALLY TERRIBLE GAMES. (http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/wii/supersmashbrosbrawl?q=super%20smash)
the reason this sucks is because it is a game which leeches off creativity which people have already paid for, which is already super shit, but then it glues it all together with a horrible gimmick designed to steal money off kids. i mean character card collecting? what an utterly worthless idea. whoever the people are who are making it have spent so much time on this crap when they could have decided to make something of their own. i seriously doubt it would have been be any good, but it wouldn't be a pile of shit from it's conception at least which a game called CARD SAGAS WARS starring All Your Favourite Characters absolutely is.That statement holds true for all fan projects, though. For one, it's a freeware game; they are making this out of their own intentions and it's not as though there is any profit to come from it. Most significantly, if they desire to invest this talent-- which they clearly have-- in such an endeavor, who are we to say it's wrong? Give me a break.
This is my opinion and if you don't share it, you are trash.
I guess if you don't agree you could just not participate in this topic?
it doesn't matter how free the game is, the idea is terrible. i'm not gonna mollycoddle stupid wastes of time just cos they aren't asking for money. why do this project at all? i know they enjoy it, obviously, but they are idiots for enjoying it. the material they are using is mostly from jrpgs, from what i can tell, so what they're doing is taking a bunch of crappy characters with stock personalities and making a game about TRADING CARDS to celebrate them. bleck. blecky bleh. i don't want to spend any time with this, and anyone who does outside of irony purposes i consider to be a capital Bum.It's a really ridiculous idea, but this is just fanservice for the fans by the fans. How is this actually hurting anybody, I fail to see any real point in raging over this? Does the game play solid? I'm more concerned about that than the premise, because if the game plays like total crap than nobody wins.
if you can't see that this is a bad thing then there's no point in talking to you, and if you can and you're still defending it (which i keep seeing people doing with stuff that sucks for some reason) then you gotta do some serious thinking about the lifestream and your place within it.
the time spent doing this could be spent on something worthwhile, or at least approaching worthwhile. it's just so lazy and indulgent in this anime shit.
RR is right, the internet would be a giant circle jerk if there wasn't negative opinions to balance out the positive.Yeah this is true but there's a point where you have to draw the line. It's one thing to disagree, it's another to ruin fun for others and troll people for their (bad?) tastes.
It's a really ridiculous idea, but this is just fanservice for the fans by the fans. How is this actually hurting anybody, I fail to see any real point in raging over this? Does the game play solid? I'm more concerned about that than the premise, because if the game plays like total crap than nobody wins.
it's kind of funny how everyone assumes it's a game about trading cards
when it's just a stupid shitty MUGEN-made fighting game.
it's not that this game is particularly more offensive than any of the other bullshit that gets pumped out, it's that this topic is about the stupid game and i thought someone should say something about how stupid it is. maybe someone who would have saw this and thought "oh, i guess that's cool" would read a post saying it totally isn't and re-think it a little. it's doubtful but perhaps.
who cares if it's not hurting anyone, it's still such a bad thing. this kind of acquiescent attitude towards bullshit it part of the reason it continues to appear. i don't think it'll ever stop coming out, there are always gonna be kids and kids who never grew up who are into this thing, but it doesn't mean i'm gonna say "aw, well let'em have their fun!". that's a rude and patronising way to treat people, if i think everyone involved in this is making a fool out of themselves.
what the fuck is the point of an internet forum if only people who agree with each other and like whatever the topic is about are allowed to post?
If it's something you like, you have to take it seriously to some degree. I don't really have a solid opinion on this game because frankly I haven't looked at it much at all, but this applies to all games--if you think they're crap, you have to say so. Otherwise, more crap gets made. Eventually it's ALL crap, and then there are no good games. So if you WANT there to be good games, you can't just shrug off the bad ones.
Also this:
I really do think this game looks awesome, and the creators spent a lot of time working on some pretty wicked sprites that all seem very cohesive, and put it together in a pretty decent looking game. I understand that some people think WOAH NO CREATIVITY SHITTY GAME GO DIE BRAWL+KH SUCKS, and their opinions have been heard, and they are valid. At this point it isn't really necessary to keep coming back to this topic to tell other people they have shitty tastes in games or that they are terrible people because they like this. This isn't an issue of people being stupid, it's an issue of people liking what they like, and being ridiculed by others just because of it.Agreed.
And how the hell is something like Brawl an insult to ones intelligence? I honestly think Brawl had a great premise, and fits perfectly with the way Nintendo has always done things, and if you think I'm dumb for thinking that, then man you are far more stupid than you are acting.
you should be able to draw more out of playing a game than just THIS WAS FUN/NOT FUN. A game can be fun on a technical level but still have an incredibly stupid premise (like throwing a bunch of corporate mascots together for a brawl). Not that games need to be this big structure of intellectual thought, but it wouldn't hurt if it wasn't so completely insulting to your intelligence all the time.
great. I'm the one being accused of trolling but then faggots like sarhan can get away with this?
quit trying to direct the topic and telling people what they can or can't post. Sorry this topic isn't a circlejerk and that other people have something different to say for a change.
great. I'm the one being accused of trolling but then faggots like sarhan can get away with this?
jesus christ you people are ridiculously defensive. All jamicus and I did was post about how we don't like the idea behind the game and tried to create some kind of a relevant discussion beyond THIS LOOKS SOGOOD *CUMS* and somehow you people take that as a personal attack and that we're trying to force our opinions on you.
No, that is what people like Velfarre did, not you and Jamicus. What you two are doing looks and feels like you're trying to convince people to STOP looking forward to this.
i only made one point that only relates to games in general and not just this one, and it was pretty much defending the two people you're trying to discredit
so...thanks?
jesus christ you people are ridiculously defensive. All jamicus and I did was post about how we don't like the idea behind the game and tried to create some kind of a relevant discussion beyond THIS LOOKS SOGOOD *CUMS* and somehow you people take that as a personal attack and that we're trying to force our opinions on you.
uhh i am totally trying to convince people not to like this game. i already don't like it, don't need to convince myself. i'm not doing it cos i want to fill people up with anger and unpleasantness, i'm doing it because i'm trying to help people elevate themselves out of being satisfied with crap. i haven't done it often and i probably won't do it next time because you've all shown a total unwillingness to think about why you want to play this over some other game or even something other than a videogame.If you truly believe you're so fucking elevated from the rest of us (BECAUSE I AM TOO GOOD FOR VIDEOGAMES LOL) then why are you trying to belittle those of us who do appreciate the fun in them? I hope you realize this makes you out to be little more than a pretentious douchebag, and I kindly request you take the sand out of your vagina.
if you can't see that this is a bad thing then there's no point in talking to you
this is like, so far from the point. you are a stupid person!
you're stupid and have bad taste
Well umm...I'll try to get this back on topic.
Which character would you like to see who isn't already in the game?
I think it's pretty obvious who I would like to see.
What I meant was that, assume all the characters shown there are already in.
uhh i am totally trying to convince people not to like this game. i already don't like it, don't need to convince myself. i'm not doing it cos i want to fill people up with anger and unpleasantness, i'm doing it because i'm trying to help people elevate themselves out of being satisfied with crap. i haven't done it often and i probably won't do it next time because you've all shown a total unwillingness to think about why you want to play this over some other game or even something other than a videogame.this kind of falls apart when we are considering its being made for free. the people making this pretty much have nothing to gain besides their own enjoyment, and its not like anyone who plays it is FUELING THE CORPORATE MACHINE. hell, they probably wont release a second one just because people liked the first one. indie game makers generally make things because they WANT TO. so even if they make shit like this the first time around they could invest their talent in something much more worthwhile the next time.
i haven't insulted anyone directly, i just make general statements like YOU ALL, all being the people who are or would be defending this game.
konix already talked about how you shouldn't tell people not to post.
fighting games don't have depth.
depth as in story and characters, etc. it can definitely have deep complex game play which is why i dont know how you can judge this game without having played it, cause it could have great gameplay, and i think in that case it would be silly not to play it just because it has famous characters or whatever. it could also be total crap though...it still has yet to be seen
King of Fighters has a pretty big story, just no one cares much.
The more I hear about this game, the more I begin to suspect that the whole "card" element has absolutley no bearing on how the game plays whatsoever, and is practically pointless in the grand scheme of things.
But I'll have to play it before I can decide how stupid naming it "Card Saga Wars" is. Do you think they named it that because they are too ashamed to give the game a title to reflect that it's nothing more than a huge crossover fighting game?
I bet the story is that the card's COME TO LIFE.
Like Yu-Gi-Oh, except instead about mythical creatures in card form coming to life in battles that determine the fate of the world, it's mythical characters in card form coming to life in battles that determine the fate of the world.
I doubt there is any collecting. As far as I know, MUGEN does not support unlockable characters.
aaaaalso this game looks like shit, I think! I love the arguments people like Mog and Shadowtext make as some sort of apologetic rationale for embracing stupidity and a complete lack of creativity. Videogames are like a ball and a cup, Mog? Really? I guess since it's all just ENTERTAINMENT HEH then movies and novels are also just like a ball and a cup, too. FUN is all that matters in the grand scheme of things; xXx State of the Union is better than 2001: A Space Odyssey, because the former had a lot of fun explosions whereas the latter was just boooooring lol. Nothing is more amusing to me than people being self-righteous and condescending about how dumb the stuff they like is, and how they're not bothered by it. Here's a hint, buddies: That's not a good quality to possess. Heh... you fools and your TASTES... have fun with that *watches The Condemned*
If, instead of making an awful analogy and comparing video games to some sort of worthless game that is in no way similar beyond sharing a basic level of interactivity and having a common goal of entertainment, you compare it to something a lot closer in nature, like cinema, it becomes almost instantly obvious why this is a dumb idea. It's called a creative fucking vacuum, and what strikes me as especially hilarious about all of this, is that this is a gamemaking community; you guys above most other types of people should understand and value the creative process that goes into making a game, but instead you act like creativity, vision, a sense of purpose beyond self-indulgence, is an afterthought; unnecessary. Do you wonder why your games all suck and no one plays them but people like yourself who are looking for more of the same nostalgic trash? The answer is here. Games can be fun; they SHOULD be fun, since that's pretty much the point. But it's not the only point, and I don't understand how this concept escapes you. If you're talking about BALL AND CUP, yeah, there's not really much else necessary, but video games as a medium, similar to film, should demand a higher level of creativity, or you're just going to see the same old shit. Am I saying all games should be paragons of creativity with innovative stories or gameplay mechanics? Nope! Just that if you're going to make a game, as with ANY OTHER LEGITIMATE CREATIVE ENDEAVOR, the first step isn't, you know, ripping off other peoples' shit. There should be some basic level of creativity put into it beyond "hey those other guys did this, let's co-opt all their ideas!"
Aside from being sort of gay to take a character out of its context and make it fight other characters who you're doing the same thing to, it also shows that you have an irrational attachment to hollow characters. Why? It's weird to me, but not even that big a deal; I just wouldn't want any character I created to be used like that. But, mostly, it just lacks the fundamental creative insight that anyone should approach making a game with, and you guys being so tolerant and even excited about it really only encourages a further lack of originality. Do you celebrate fanfiction authors as much as you do legitimate novelists? Do you celebrate people who trace their artwork as much as legitimate artists? I don't understand why you people are so accepting of fangames. It may make them happy, and it may make you happy, but so could something they spent their time making themselves instead of just stealing other peoples' work, and that would also be a legitimate pursuit. I love how you guys have such huge boners over Chrono that you never stop to ask, "Taking others' shit out of context and throwing it together into some fanboy mishmash for my own obsessive indulgence: is this really what an intrinsically creative medium should be striving towards?" The answer is no, btw, and by saying YEAAAAH I CANT WAIT GONNA BE SO FUN, you're really giving the impression that it is, and thus making things worse and really doing quite a lot to prevent progress away from a ball and cup mentality and towards a cinematic (or other legitimate form of creatively-rooted entertainment) one.
aaaaalso this game looks like shit, I think! I love the arguments people like Mog and Shadowtext make as some sort of apologetic rationale for embracing stupidity and a complete lack of creativity. Videogames are like a ball and a cup, Mog? Really? I guess since it's all just ENTERTAINMENT HEH then movies and novels are also just like a ball and a cup, too. FUN is all that matters in the grand scheme of things; xXx State of the Union is better than 2001: A Space Odyssey, because the former had a lot of fun explosions whereas the latter was just boooooring lol. Nothing is more amusing to me than people being self-righteous and condescending about how dumb the stuff they like is, and how they're not bothered by it. Here's a hint, buddies: That's not a good quality to possess. Heh... you fools and your TASTES... have fun with that *watches The Condemned*
Dude, like, I know and understand what you mean, I really do. But that's just how I feel about videogames. I only play them for fun. Movies and novels? No, but videogames yes. Like, the ball and cup thing may sound idiotic and stupid to say, but if that's how I approach videogames, then that's that! I'm not saying videogames themselves are dumb or can't be great and cool, but I myself don't really personally care because I'm not really a gamer! Nowadays I'm about as casual a gamer you can get so to me, yes, as long as a game is FUN that's all it takes. You can call me some kind of Philistine for having that approach to a hobby I'm not really into at all but that's how it is. Card Saga Wars or whatever may just be a horrible game, but to me, a person who's PS2 is collecting dust and I have no plans to purchase a video game system ever again and see's myself not playing video games at all in five years, shouldn't fun be enough? Like why am I taking fire for this?Wellll it's not that I hold it against you, but that you're an example of a pretty widespread mentality (Sarhan and Shadowtext both post this shit, and are both much worse than you). I'm not BEGRUDGING you for not caring about videogames as long as they're fun; it's completely up to you! But, using it as a defense for why a game is good, because MINDLESS FUN is all that matters, and being so completely condescending and smug about it, and telling people who disagree that the game should be judged on a higher set of standards to get out of the topic, that is what I'm really making a case against, because all of that stuff is dumb as shit. If you weren't doing any of that, then I'm not really talking about you, but your initial argument and BALL AND CUP analogy served as a good launching point for why it's a dumb ideology to argue with. So yeah, I'm not really giving you in particular fire for it, although I guess it does sort of annoy me a little bit because lately you've just been bringing up your perspective on gaming pretty often.