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Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 27, 2008, 06:07:55 pm
 Alright people of Gaming World, I know that this is not your favorite genre, but it is in fact mine, and possibly tomohawkjoe's, so we are going to drop some knowledge, and shed some light on this subject.

The genre in question is Hardcore, and it's many sisters. First off, tomohawkjoe will shed some light on the original Hardcore bands, and the sound that started everything.

Hardcore
Basically, this is a much more faster and aggressive form of punk. In fact, it was often referred to as Hardcore Punk. The overall sound is just fast and aggressive. Because of this, songs were often short in length and sometimes didn't even make it over a minute. Everything from the vocals to the drums was just fast and in your face. Some bands also threw in some Breakdowns to get the crowd moving. Solos, when used, were often sporadic and atonal in nature. Subjects for lyrics were usually about the whole DIY (do it yourself) ethics and just overcoming obstacles. Everything from alcohol to violence to abuse and even procrastination. They were very straight forward and some time considered cheesy. In my opinion, that was what made hardcore, it was to the point and that was that. Live shows were RI DI CU LOUS. Crowd involvement was nuts. Shows were filled with Stagedives, moshing, and sing alongs. I think the my favorite quote (even though I forget who says it all the time) was "You don't need a mike, when you got 200 kids singing along with you" and I honestly feel that describe a majority of hardcore shows. Especially during gang sing-alongs. Four bands that are often credited as the "major" bands in hardcore were Black Flag (http://youtube.com/watch?v=SVSHErRXfcQ), Bad Brains (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_-7tryyJ0Ro&feature=related), Minor Threat (http://youtube.com/watch?v=mOf6w59jz_g), and Gorilla Biscuits (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lwexu9oQmXc&feature=related) (although not considered "as important" as the previous three). Black Flag, Minor Threat, and Gorilla Biscuits I could describe as more straight forward hardcore. Bad Brains differs because they could be playing hardcore (http://youtube.com/watch?v=xZur5v3uLJI) one minute and reggae/jazz (http://youtube.com/watch?v=iJ1W5gYnnAM&feature=related) the next. They ware also followers of the Rastafari movement. I know what your thinking "but what about today? Are there any hardcore bands today?" Why yes fellow GWer. And imo they still hold the same sound as early hardcore.

Modern Life Is War (http://youtube.com/watch?v=SjqW3B0ZSMQ) Pretty intense band. Unfortunately they just broke up not to long ago, but alot of their music is still loved by the hardcore scene. Great band still worth checking out.

The Carrier (http://youtube.com/watch?v=EYIRfudRLzU&feature=related) A bit more melodic in certain parts, but still great hardcore. Although in all honesty, I like the fact that there seems to be more melodic passages in some points. Don't let that fool you though, its still pretty straight forward hardcore for the most part.

Pulling Teeth (http://youtube.com/watch?v=8pUnsHMMUNU&feature=related) video quality aint to good. A bit more metal in some parts. Normally anything metal thrown in to hardcore is referred to as metalcore, but I honestly feel they have way to much hardcore elements and slight metal elements. I really wish the singer could be heard better in this vid, I think he has a pretty intense voice for the scene.

Los Crudos (http://youtube.com/watch?v=d5tkRzAl7TI&feature=related) I once heard someone jokingly call them spikcore...

Limp Wrist (http://youtube.com/watch?v=qsehGJBMB18) I once heard someone jokingly call the queercore...



The next form of Hardcore to begin to rise is a little known style called Emo-Violence or, Screamo

Now, a lot of people too often label a band that screams as SCREAMO, but this is wrong, most of todays bands are Metalcore (which we will get to later on in this topic).

Emo-violence began in the mid to late 90's. It had the same intensity, and energy as Hardcore, but the bands were rather unknown, and only played shows for about 30 to 40 people in little clubs. This is the evolution of the now popular screaming vocals. Saetia (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spc-8KITujU) was one of the first bands to play this new style of music. Singer Greg Drudy of Saetia founded the original screamo record label, Level-Plane Records, and still today is releasing records from screamo, post-hardcore, and whatever bands. There really is not much more to say about this genre, it was screamo at it's finest, and that's all there is to say.

I Have Dreams (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4G_D0F7rcCA) – These guys are probably the funniest screamo band to ever come out, but their career was very short lived.

City of Caterpillar (http://youtube.com/watch?v=95A7W_x7rk0) – One of the most influential screamo bands to ever come around.

Envy (http://youtube.com/watch?v=4-kfRGWT6Ik) – This Japanese band is probably the most well known screamo band, and probably had the longest career haha.


Now for tomohawkjoe's input on Metalcore:


Metalcore
What is there to say about metalcore? Well, for one, it fused elements of metal and hardcore. Pretty simple right? Well, this is one genre that has seen many arguments and debates. Why? Because unlike hardcore, were the band's sound was easily recognizable, metalcore has become somewhat deluded and often contains bands that some (like myself) would consider metal. So what exactly does metalcore sound like anyways? Well, to me its a clear fusion of metal and hardcore. Bands were you can clearly hear elements of hardcore and metal. I think this can easily be seen in bands like Integrity (http://youtube.com/watch?v=PSCbyKLHTHg) and Converge (http://youtube.com/watch?v=v1XEv2SIPPg&feature=related). However, alot of the genre started to lean more towards the metal side and became largely influenced by melo-death bands like At The Gates and In Flames. This resulted in bands having a more melodic death metal sound and less hardcore elements. To be honest, some of the metalcore bands today consider themselves that because they have breakdowns. I know, its stupid. Aside from that, as stated before, you got bands with a more melo-death sound such as Prayer for Cleasing (http://youtube.com/watch?v=v1XEv2SIPPg&feature=related), Darkest Hour (http://youtube.com/watch?v=HMAorUAzm6o) and Dead To Fall (http://youtube.com/watch?v=_fHfmkPF0V0). This is the more popularized metalcore that you see today. But, it really has almost become a different entity than its predecessors. Theres a lengthy list both Smoothy and I posted here (http://www.gamingw.net/forums/index.php?topic=5431.40)




And, I will discuss one of Metalcore's sister sub-genre's Christian Metalcore


There is no really notable difference in the two, other than Christian Metalcore is more focused towards the faith of Jesus Christ, and obviously Christianity. Practically all of the bands in this genre do not curse in any of their lyrics, their songs are more focused on life values and Christian morals.

For example, August Burns Red's song Composure:

Shake it off.
Pick yourself up, they say.
Your life fell apart in your hands, and you've got the scars to prove it.
It's not the first time, and they're getting deeper.
Pull it together.
Button up your shirt.
Roll down those sleeves.
Don't let them see how you've coped.
More and more your demeanor looks like quicksand.
It seems like your giving up on everything you worked for.
It's pulling you under.
It's gripping around your throat.
Life can be overwhelming,
But don't turn your back on the strongest crutch you've ever.
They have always been there to brace your fall.
Wave goodbye to the past.
You've got your whole life to lead.
It's time to gain some ground.

And, for the fun of it, here is the video to Composure (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qtk9c6ZGcM)

The most notable band of the genre would definitely have to be UnderOath (http://youtube.com/watch?v=VcwJEYNiveg), they sold huge as being a Christian band. Their sound may have changed drastically today, with the replacement of Dallas Taylor for Spencer Chamberlain, but they remain faithful till' the end.

 The Devil Wears Prada  (http://youtube.com/watch?v=g6aNV_xKSto) – These guys are definitely my favorite Christian band ever, their music is so unlike all the other bands that label themselves as Christian, and nobody would expect them to have an extreme faith. These fellows are also coined for their intense breakdowns, just take a listen to any song.

I guess instead of listing a bunch of bands, I will just name some record labels, and you guys can pick any band from there to listen to!

Rise Records
Tooth and Nail Records
Solid State Records

Yet again, it is tomohawkjoe, and he is going to tell us about Deathcore this time.



Deathcore
First, I'd like to acknowledge the ridiculous title of this genre and I'd also like to state that I feel many of the bands in this category should be called death metal instead, but do to some genre elitist and Metal Nazis who want all their death metal to be from Sweden, this term was created, honestly to slam certain American death metal bands. Second thing I'd like to point out is that if you don't like death metal, just skip this right now. However, some bands really do fit in this category. So what is deathcore? Well its suppose to be a fusion of hardcore and death metal, but its really a fusion of death metal and metalcore, or in most cases, death metal with gratuitous use of break downs, which is stupid because death metal has used breakdowns way before deathcore was created. I'm not going to go to into this genre because honestly, its become so vague and deluded it becomes a tad difficult to differentiate death metal from deathcore. But here are some bands that are "big" in the whole scene. Don't ask me about the lyrics, because I doubt any of you want to know about such "amazing" lyrics as "she bled from every fucking hole".

Suicide Silence (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZJJrIQsCTcQ) This band really bores me. Hey guys lets play really low shit and throw some growls and breakdowns over them. Yeah, that will make us brutal as fuck guys. ugh...

Job For A Cowboy (http://youtube.com/watch?v=IeZIfbPKzGE) Honestly, I would consider there new record a death metal recored, but again, those genre nazis don't want anything to do with these guys, so guess what, there deathcore. Pretty boring, their demo was the only thing worth listening to, and even then, its not something amazing.

The Faceless (http://youtube.com/watch?v=1HQ5ltvTL0g) Okay, I like this band. One of the few deathcore bands I can actually listen to. The keys seem cheesy at times, but they make pretty awesome music. This is another band I would label as deathmetal. Good songs, nothing flat out amazing or anything, but still worth a listen.

Beneath The Massacre (http://youtube.com/watch?v=cC-4ZRkVnOM) Hey, another band I consider death metal, whaddaya know? In all honesty, I know 90% of GW will hate this band, because there one of those "super uber technical bands" that really get very samey very quick. But fuck man, I don't know why, but I really dig this band. I mean, there something I would 99.9% of time disregard because they really are just "hey look, were technical" but sonofabitch, I really like them. Quick heads up, there drummer sounds like a metronome half the time.

Born Of Osiris (http://youtube.com/watch?v=YnWAW6s-0UE) these guys are getting alot of praise right now. The band members in this band are pretty much teens straight out of highschool. While I don't think they are even close to the hype they get, they're alright. I like the groovy meshuggah-ish parts, but thats about it. Who knows, maybe they'll get better, they haven't been around for that long. Their synth tone is really cheesy, in a bad way.




One more genre, and this topic is open for discussion. Southern Hardcore.

This genre is my absolute favorite Hardcore-based style EVER. It is pretty much a bunch of guys with beards and flannel shirts playing ZZ Top influenced music haha. Well, that's not exactly it. This is a fairly new genre, and is highly influenced by the Southern lifestyle and music. Every Time I Die (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-ub--XlDBg) are one of the first bands to do this style of music, and have mastered it since their start in 2000. Bands that play this music are not xStraightxEdgex like a lot of hardcore bands tend to be, these boys love their beers, sex, and drugs. Another thing that these bands implement a lot of is the use of the COWBELL, it can be heard in practically every song by Every Time I Die, Tough As John Jacobs by Maylene and the Sons of Disaster (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxNu9rLKxF0), and many others.


And, now a few bands to check out:

Memphis May Fire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zJlSQ66Im4) - These guys are the new age of Southern, and are definitely going places. They also implement their Christian beliefs into their music, which makes them even greater in my book.

Once Nothing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezgPAqqUa1U) - This is like brutal Southern Hardcore, but still awesome nonetheless.

 The Hottness  (http://www.myspace.com/thehottness) Just like Memphis May Fire, these guys are also the new age of Southern, and are very very awesome. (couldn't find youtubes of them)



Alright, that is our introduction to our Hardcore TOTW, I guess now it is open to discussion.

We do not want hardcore bashing, and whatever here, nobody cares about your opinion.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: thecatamites on April 27, 2008, 06:57:35 pm
I really don't care for metal or whatever, and I stay away from any genre prefixed with 'Christian', but some of the hardcore and southern hardcore stuff you linked to sounded really good...
I dunno, though, I never really got into hardcore punk since apart from the early stuff, it always felt like basically just 300 different bands playing the same bad Minor Threat imitations... That's the problem with any kind of hardcore movement, I guess, because any real kind of experimentation is dismissed as self-indulgent or whatever. I mean, even bands like Black Flag and Dead Kennedys had hardcore punks attacking them because they had guitar solos and because they wrote songs that were over a minute long. Also, there was the problem that a lot of hardcore fans were, well, violent morons and nazi punks who scared off everyone but other violent morons and nazi punks. So all the bands with actual ideas and stuff like Husker Du and the Minutemen ended up ditching the movement and going off in their own directions, and pretty soon the only people left playing hardcore punk were the idiots who never even tried to deviate from the formula.
Anyway, a good southern hardcore record you might like is 'Teenager' by the Dexateens: (http://www.myspace.com/dexateens , listen to 'Madelene')

EDIT: Now that I think about it, another good modern hardcore/emocore/whatevercore band is Gallows from the UK... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qoehky-36K4
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: tomohawkjoe on April 27, 2008, 07:03:22 pm
Yeah, you see the violence problem big time in Tough Guy Hardcore. Yes, thats what its called, tough guy hardcore. Its pretty much hardcore, but its sung by a bunch of testosterone driven gorillas. I mean, they have videos were they advocate fucking drive-bys (http://youtube.com/watch?v=7swd1sY6rc4). I didn't want to touch it because I was almost positive GW would hate it.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 27, 2008, 07:08:27 pm
Tough Guy Hardcore is the biggest disgrace to Hardcore music ever.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Ryan on April 27, 2008, 07:34:43 pm
i love bad brains and black flag so much. minor threat too to some degree but yeah.

fugazi are great too but they're not really hardcore so yeah. :)
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Quest-Master on April 27, 2008, 08:26:17 pm
If you guys listen to anything from here at all, let it be City of Caterpillar.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: thecatamites on April 27, 2008, 09:06:42 pm
Haha, I never heard of 'Tough Guy hardcore' before... It's like something out of American History X...
And while I was looking it up, I stumbled upon another genre called 'Posicore' or Positive Hardcore which seemed just as inane. It's all about how you should be yourself and stay true to the spirit of punk and never smoke or drink and be kind to animals and stay in the scene and all that crap... I mean, okay, it's not as obviously retarded as Tough Guy, but it's still a little depressing to see punk rock turned into a Disney film.
Now all I have to do is find some Ambivalentcore bands and I'll be set...
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ghastly_darklord on April 27, 2008, 09:26:35 pm
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And, I will discuss one of Metalcore's sister sub-genre's Christian Metalcore


There is no really notable difference in the two, other than Christian Metalcore is more focused towards the faith of Jesus Christ, and obviously Christianity. Practically all of the bands in this genre do not curse in any of their lyrics, their songs are more focused on life values and Christian morals.
this is the weakest garbage in the world, probably the worst "genre" of all time


this thread needs more breach
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 27, 2008, 09:50:54 pm
what makes it so bad?

is it that the bands believe in God, and aren't satanic, or that their lyrics aren't about wizards and demons or something stupid that metal bands sing about?
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Shepperd on April 27, 2008, 10:21:11 pm
I am surprised you made no mention of Rites of Spring, said to be the pioneers of emocore.

Regardless, Hardcore has very blunt and stupid nature, y'know, it wholely revolves on speed to create energy. While Minor Threat and Bad Brains went beyond their genre, the former unintentionally created the straight edge movement, the latter brought funk elements to punk, I do not find these bands to be inventive at all. It is too linear and to the point, all to create a statement, to unleash the energy, but to me it is pretty redneck rocker.
I rather listen to Minutemen's sense of linear and to the point music. Damn now they were true punks. Their first albums were hardcore and was mad inventive, it had the statements, the political messages, the energy, all those things and all was done in a graceful manner.

Ryan, Fugazi was a group of ex-hardcore musicians that decided to play stuff that contained the intensity of the hardcore energy but in a more cerebral way. Building up tensions, and releashing, playing angular riffs, fiddling with disonance, stop and starts, intertwining geetars. These guys invented post-hardcore. They are so fucking genius, and much more interesting than their previous proyects.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 27, 2008, 10:22:54 pm
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While Minor Threat and Bad Brains went beyond their genre, the former unintentionally created the straight edge movement, the latter brought funk elements to punk, I do not find these bands to be inventive at all. It is too linear and to the point, all to create a statement, to unleash the energy, but to me it is pretty redneck rocker.

oh for fuck's sake.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: dark_crystalis on April 28, 2008, 12:47:18 am
I kinda liked Bad Brains but I find most other hardcore and metalcore bands completely boring and bland. Also for deathcore, a lot of them have been mixing an equal amount of death and hardcore but in general you can tell very well if it's deathcore of death metal. Beneath the Massacre isn't deathcore and I haven't heard anyone else call it deathcore either. It's technical death metal, I agree they completely suck though. Man, that band uses triggers on EVERYTHING. They're just technical for the sake of being technical. Born of Osiris would be considered to be more metalcore than deathcore too but I don't know them enough.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ThugTears666 on April 28, 2008, 02:16:52 am
Interesting topic,;) Haha some of that Southern stuff was pretty funny. I'm gunna check out Fugazi cause I always hear shep raving about them, also Henry Rollins is doing a spoken word tour here so my interest in this stuff is probally higher than it will ever be.

And yeah I also tend to avoid Christian genres, they are usually ridiculously cheesy and just not that good especially if you arent a Christian. yes, i will say i prefer cheesy metal lyrics, i love hearing black dahlia sing about wolves crying out for flesh.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: church_gone_wild on April 28, 2008, 08:19:33 am
dis is very informative topic...

i remember being a huge saetia fan back in the day, but i can't stand that kind of music anymore; mostly the shrieking. wasn't billy werner the vocalist, not greg drudy? either way, his singing/screaming in hot cross was better imo.  maybe i am not #1 screamo fan after all.....

also you did not mention welcome the plague year, what. though they weren't really PIONEERS or whatever, they were excellent!!
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Shepperd on April 28, 2008, 01:29:11 pm
so basically steel doesn't share my opinion. Great post, you add to nothing. At least if you would care to expand it would make things a bit interesting.

Afura, go for their album Red Medicine. It is their most inventive album, covering a wide range in the genre spectrum so you can get a general idea of what is the Fugazi direction.
Their other albums seems to be more closed genred.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 28, 2008, 02:18:48 pm
Quote from: DJ Soup on April 28, 2008, 01:29:11 pm
so basically steel doesn't share my opinion. Great post, you add to nothing. At least if you would care to expand it would make things a bit interesting.

you do this every damn time though. you'll state some completely bizarre indefensible position and wait for someone to quote you and be like "wait what" so you can ramble about something else incomprehensible. like, in the protopunk topic:

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They are psychedelic R&B-esque

what the fuck does this even mean? even wikipedia says they are a progenitor of proto-punk and wikipedia never posts that shit. and then tell me what genre R&B-esque is and how any of that precludes protopunk.

and then we have

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While Minor Threat and Bad Brains went beyond their genre, the former unintentionally created the straight edge movement, the latter brought funk elements to punk, I do not find these bands to be inventive at all. It is too linear and to the point, all to create a statement, to unleash the energy, but to me it is pretty redneck rocker.

how does creating an entire group of people or combining two types of genres not qualify as inventive? how is that LINEAR AND TO THE POINT? how are creating a statement and unleashing energy the same point (Sage Francis is the same rapper as Soulja Boy)? in what possible context is this shit REDNECK ROCKER?

you keep posting shit that doesn't make any sense at all! you're obsessed with genre classifications and this is the second time you've posted your unique iconoclastic opinion about music and then sat back with a smirk but it's completely nonsensical! maybe that's completely unintentional but I've been able to follow other posts. saying something like Minor Threat and Bad Brains are "redneck rock" is the real garbage post because it makes no sense at all. you might as well have just said "nope" over and over. I feel bad because I'm now guilty of shitting up the topic but you need to cut this stuff out because it helps no one and if you really do intend to say something good or meaningful you should use words that actually mean something.

also pick up End Hits by Fugazi it's the better album.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: cowardknower on April 28, 2008, 02:45:03 pm
Quote from: Smoothy Oakland on April 27, 2008, 09:50:54 pm
what makes it so bad?

is it that the bands believe in God, and aren't satanic, or that their lyrics aren't about wizards and demons or something stupid that metal bands sing about?

The problem with "christian" genres in general is that a large part of the reason these bands are christian is because they wanna be a metal band or w/e but feel like it would be wrong to be just another metal band contributing to the worldly cesspool of sin or something.  So instead they write a bunch of lyrics about Jesus but then the lyrics are all written around the idea that they have to be ABOUT jesus and christianity and being a good person etc so they feel really lamely focused on it and focused on making sure that the lyrics will QUALIFY as christian to the rest of the christian audience.  In doing all this, they end up using a lot of dumb stupid cliches etc.

Keeping in mind that I'm talking about christian genres in general here, there ARE singers that are Christian but still write good lyrics-- I can't think of too many really, but Sufjan Stevens is a big one I can think of off the top of my head.  But yeah, I'm not saying that they are dumb because they are Christian or w/e.  The problem isn't that the bands believe in God and arent satanic and dont sing about wizards and demons, but that their approach to lyricism lacks finesse entirely and just feels one thousand kinds of juvenile and that their primary motivator is satisfying their peers requirements for bein good little jesusites.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 28, 2008, 02:54:25 pm
Quote from: Couch on April 28, 2008, 02:45:03 pm
The problem with "christian" genres in general is that a large part of the reason these bands are christian is because they wanna be a metal band or w/e but feel like it would be wrong to be just another metal band contributing to the worldly cesspool of sin or something.  So instead they write a bunch of lyrics about Jesus but then the lyrics are all written around the idea that they have to be ABOUT jesus and christianity and being a good person etc so they feel really lamely focused on it and focused on making sure that the lyrics will QUALIFY as christian to the rest of the christian audience.  In doing all this, they end up using a lot of dumb stupid cliches etc.

Keeping in mind that I'm talking about christian genres in general here, there ARE singers that are Christian but still write good lyrics-- I can't think of too many really, but Sufjan Stevens is a big one I can think of off the top of my head.  But yeah, I'm not saying that they are dumb because they are Christian or w/e.  The problem isn't that the bands believe in God and arent satanic and dont sing about wizards and demons, but that their approach to lyricism lacks finesse entirely and just feels one thousand kinds of juvenile and that their primary motivator is satisfying their peers requirements for bein good little jesusites.

i like you a lot when you make sense.

but yeah what always bothers me is it almost seems like they are "christian" just so someone can say "ah yes, still christian" or even worse "my genres? well i listen to everything from space bhangra to christian hardcore".

Kanye did a song about Jesus, and he isn't Christian rap. the issue is that really good musicians usually require some rebellion or violence or anger or passion, things you have to downplay in christianity. as a result, the best you're bound to get is Sufjan, someone more or less safe who throws a few decent lyrics together and as a result is so much better than his friends. when you take something about challenging mentality in music (maybe not obstensibly but hardcore certainly isn't about pleasant sounds) and mix with Christianity, a faith that dissuades individuality (oh boy religion debate) and rebellion, you're going to end up with a kind of gross aura!
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: cowardknower on April 28, 2008, 03:05:45 pm
Quote from: Magical Negro on April 28, 2008, 02:54:25 pm
i like you a lot when you make sense.

My ways are higher than your ways and my thoughts are higher than your thoughts.

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as a result, the best you're bound to get is Sufjan, someone more or less safe who throws a few decent lyrics together and as a result is so much better than his friends.

I did not get this!
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Ryan on April 28, 2008, 06:27:21 pm
Quote from: Magical Negro on April 28, 2008, 02:18:48 pm
also pick up End Hits by Fugazi it's the better album.

man no way Red Medicine is easily the best Fugazi album.

also yeah shep you and me have pretty similar tastes but calling minor threat and bad brains "redneck rock" is pretty lol
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Shepperd on April 28, 2008, 06:49:06 pm
Steel you seem to be upset more with the way I form an opinion than my opinion itself.

I don't claim psychedelic R&B-esque to be a genre by itself, but a generalizing way of describing 13th Floor Elevator's kind of music.
On an extreme, it is like calling Waits sounds "like it was soaked in a vat of bourbon, left hanging in the smokehouse for a few months and then taken outside and run over with a car" instead of saying it is some form of Jazz and Blues. But that sounds too disgustingly general, doesn't it. You could even say Tom Waits "belongs to a genre of its own".
I came up with psychedelic R&B-esque, just in the same way many music journalists come up with their own way of music classification.
I just came up with Redneck rock, and when I said it I didn't pretend it to be a rock for rednecks but a rock that has a pretty dull-minded apathetic song structure, y'know the concept is speed and aggresiveness, full of testosterone.
My line of thought is along the line of how philosophers state that what you earn by senses are of lower 'quality' than that obtain from reasoning. Meaning that stuff that needs mind development to be more RICH than that obtain simply from the senses. And Hardcore is on that level, the sensitive level. That's what I was thinking when I wrote that, I associated redneck's cultureless minds with their appreciation for hardcore's approach directly to the sense. It is all theory.
But I don't have to come to you to tell you exactly what redneck rock is. It is free for interpretation, I just came up with that term.
Most of my post are for free interpretation and do not have a substantial base.
Usually I try to make a point, but it doesn't intend to be right, y'know.

That said, I still think Hardcore is very numb genre. Quite a contradictory proposition, huh?
Hardcore is supposed to bring up all that NRG juice, angst at the system, defiance, attitude and what else. In that sense it is not numb at all. But the music is numb to me, the way the music is created doesn't inspire me in any way, it doesn't draw my attention at all.
When I listen to music, I like it to call my attention. Hardcore music is as much background music as post rock is to me. Both are pretty much in the same level of blandness.

Also, I seem not to know how to write stuff that MEAN SOMETHING. What the hell is this? Because my opinion lacks a solid foundation it doesn't mean it lacks significance. Maybe I'm iconoclastic after all, I disregard pre-established concepts to form my own, I don't believe there is THE RIGHT WAY, THE TRUTHFUL DEFINITION, etc.

P.D: I don't think I quote people, type NO and go.

and Ryan, I should add that I love Bad Brains (i find them to be pretty much out of the norm) and like Minor Threat.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Wash Cycle on April 28, 2008, 09:15:55 pm
Quote from: DJ Soup on April 28, 2008, 06:49:06 pm
:words:
I think the reason no one can ever understand the fuck what you're saying is because you think too much like a spanish speaker. You speak our language with our words but you do not use them the same way we do and you do not phrase thoughts in a way that is intelligible to many of us. I say this because any time you write a moderately lengthy post it takes me forever to even figure out what you are saying because everything is so highly convoluted and goofed.

that said I dont know anything about hardcore except that I definitely cant stand metalcore. I would ask what bands I should try so that I can have a balanced opinion of the genre but I think this topic has hit that... so I should just read the early posts I guess.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 28, 2008, 09:21:33 pm
Quote from: Bahamut on April 28, 2008, 08:19:33 am
dis is very informative topic...

i remember being a huge saetia fan back in the day, but i can't stand that kind of music anymore; mostly the shrieking. wasn't billy werner the vocalist, not greg drudy? either way, his singing/screaming in hot cross was better imo.  maybe i am not #1 screamo fan after all.....

also you did not mention welcome the plague year, what. though they weren't really PIONEERS or whatever, they were excellent!!


I think greg drudy was bassist, and that is probably what I meant to type. but, either way, yes billy werner was vocals.

and, I didn't mention welcome to the plague year because I didn't want to make too big of a list.

I probably should have put pg.99 up there because they pretty much are pioneers too, but whatever.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: cowardknower on April 28, 2008, 09:23:10 pm
Yeah, Sheps posts read like something out of babelfish.  I can usually piece em together, but not 100%.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 28, 2008, 09:28:52 pm
i should probably get this topic renamed to totw: shep can't post english
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: cowardknower on April 28, 2008, 09:29:59 pm
Nah, most of it is still about hardcore.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Shepperd on April 28, 2008, 09:40:26 pm
maybe WC.. although I am also a very lazy kind of typer. I mean, I know when I am writing kind of strange and don't care and just keep going

Fun Fact: My spanish teacher at school once told me I write my spanish essays as if I were to be translating from the english.
Fun Fact 2: Several people asked me if I happened to be a north american, due to my weird accent?= I really dunno because I have no perception of it's unusualness.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 28, 2008, 09:46:57 pm
here I will post some more christian hardcore lyrics

The Devil Wears Prada - Don't Dink and Drance:


I would like to burn this down.
I would like to see it melt in yellow and observe a cloud of blackness rise.
Watch it rise as it is wrath himself.
Watch it rise.
Crows will flee the scene as if to remind me how long it's been since I have seen a dove.
Melt in yellow as I do.
Exhaustion and mother of tribulation.
Wound by wound.
I torture myself.
Wound by wound, I will perservere.
Whiteness, present yourself, as I know you are the sky and anchor of my being.
What we've known is like cigarettes.
Formaldehyde fingers.

Norma Jean - Memphis Will Be Laid To Waste


Waltz around the room, with a glaze in your stare.
In your tuxedo suit. I'll give it a name. Lower
defenses. I'll lower the casket. Open the door.
Open the grave. Murder. Now you're doing the waltz with your murderer......
Waltz around the room, with a glaze in your stare.
In your tuxedo suit. I'll give it a name. Lower
defenses. I'll lower the casket. Open the door. Open the grave.
Mediocrity is the killer.

You find yourself helpless. Christ is not a fashion,
fleeting away. fashion...

He laid emeralds in her eyes, oh but I'd
already tried. a bracelet made of gold and scarlet
thread around her wrist. and everything was wrong so we
sang sentimental songs. Oh how seldom we belong but
how elegant our kiss. and we painted crooked lies but we
danced in perfect time to a love so much refined, we
know not what it is until like a dullen wine we pour
into a grief we know before but it's never quite like this. never quite like this.
All I know now is regret, it follows like a silhouette
along the cobblestone behind me, but has nothing to
say except to innocently ask, a voice as delicate as
glass, "Do you see me when we pass?" but I continue on
my way

The Chariot - Kenny Gibler (Play The Piano Like A Disease)


Fight priest, fight.
Take pictures and make "alright" what you have lost.
Give pride back to the ground.
You got "all you want," but you've got a wreck.
Everyone in this whole wide world, wake up and panic.
Fortune wears a red dress, but her bones smell of death.
Panic.
They all stare, but no one seeks.
They all claim, but no one speaks.
They all hear what they want.
Panic preacher, panic.
Beware of these sheep in costume of wolves.
Lies, they come in pairs of two and we only die twice, but for such a long time.
Just because you kiss a lot, that dont' mean you're in love.
Just because you have begun, that does not mean you've won.
Well I was a second son, not born but just once, and all my friends be gray.
The fade out.
They all close the door and no one speaks out loud.
The fade out.
Take my heart, prophet.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Lyndon on April 28, 2008, 09:58:03 pm
This is my experience of hardcore....

about 3 or 4 years ago when I was into post-hardcore/metal-core/whatever stuff I was in a band. We had this promoter put on a gig for us with some apparently quite well known  American hardcore band called OUTBREAK. Becuase I'm from UK it was pretty cool to play from someone overseas, so I was like "cool, where are we playing?"

I was cought off guard when he told me we would be playing at a community centre in a classroom, during the day....

All DIY and shit. It really was not thought out. The room had a microphone on the ceiling detecting noise and it would shut off the electricty if it got to X amount of db. Becuase we were first on, we spent ages trying to take it down or cover it up with cussions. In the end we asked the nice old gentleman downstairs to switch it off. It was pretty funny becuase at the end of the night of THRASHING he came up to the promoter and said he enjoyed the music. The guy was about 70 (not to be age-ist or anything, but it was a bit weird). So we played a fucking awful gig becuase no one really showed up and the P.A. kept on cutting out, then people showed up for outbreak.

The place was packed out! The music was horrible though. I litterally couldn't distinguise any difference between songs. the drums just played bass drum, snare with cymbals throughout. The guitars were just thrashing and the singer was just screaming incoherent shit I couldn't make out. That said, everyone loved it! One song made me laugh. It was about 10 seconds long of just GAHHHH!!!!! and it ended and everyone cheered. It was at that point that I thought that hardcore is 30 year old, extremely elaborate inside joke about making fun of this ridiculous music we make. But I doubt that.

Anyway, there was no stage and the place was really small. What it resulted in was people going into a pit of people with chairs smacking into shit. I saw three people come out with blood all over their face, but the band carried on an encouraged this violence. In fact they thrived off it. A proper fight broke out aswell, which actually was broken up, but it was still pretty mental.

Oh, another weird thing was that one of the other hardcore bands who played that night had a guitarist with no legs. He sort of layed on the ground and played this hardcore shit and everyone was going mental. Watching him play was like watching an episode of Twin Peaks. It was pretty weird, but really dangerous aswell. I'm suprised he didn't get his head stamped on or something.

Anyway, that night I'm pretty sure I got the flavour of what hardcore is about. All these fucking idiots were just smashing into things for no reason and were all like "FUCKING STRAIGHT EDGE!!!!" with X's on their wrists.

My conclusion was that Hardcore is for very violent people who need to get their aggression out of their system by throwing punches at people whilst the band is playing. The crazy thing is, is that if the band wasn't playing and they were doing all that shit, it would result in an actual fight I'm sure. 

It's like the music justifies violence.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 28, 2008, 10:03:55 pm
wow the hardcore scene sounds insane in the uk.

I've been too a ton of concerts, pretty much every band that I listed in this topic I have seen, and nobody is like STRAIGHT FUCKING EDGE or something. sure they still do the fight dancing and stuff, but mostly everybody is there to have fun and stuff, only tough guy idiots do the fight slam dancing stuff.

honestly the only band that I would understand people doing that stuff to is Dillinger Escape Plan, which is the most intense experience of my life.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Ryan on April 28, 2008, 10:06:08 pm
i guess i'm the only one who doesn't have any problem reading shepperds posts?
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Lyndon on April 28, 2008, 10:07:13 pm
HAHAHA this is OUTBREAK


This is fairly tame compared to when I saw them though. There was no stage and it was about the 10th of the size, like just a small classroom
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 28, 2008, 10:12:56 pm
yeah, I know who outbreak is, they're one of those "tough guy hardcore" bands.


this is dillinger escape plan



Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ThugTears666 on April 29, 2008, 01:06:30 am
Do all these people actually respect these bands? Like I could imagine some angry kid punching the singer in the face or stealing his mic and ruining the concert or something. I had a slight headache from the vocals.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 29, 2008, 02:51:00 am
pretty much if you are going to see DEP, you know what you're getting yourself into.

and might I add, they have been banned from a venue in virginia because the singer hung from the ceiling and ripped out a good amount of the insulation, and destroyed some of buildings wiring. these guys are no joke haha.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ThugTears666 on April 29, 2008, 02:53:51 am
I mean as far as the audience just being total assholes to the band and ruining their set? Like I was wondering what if the crowd hadn't chucked the singer back onto the stage.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 29, 2008, 02:55:57 am
well, generally a crowd wouldn't do that at any concert, it is all in the spirit of fun!
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ghastly_darklord on April 30, 2008, 02:55:22 am
Quote from: Smoothy Oakland on April 27, 2008, 09:50:54 pm
what makes it so bad?

is it that the bands believe in God, and aren't satanic, or that their lyrics aren't about wizards and demons or something stupid that metal bands sing about?
lol don't be a dummy

i hate hardcore after seeing so many hardcore bands live. it's so embarrassing. i enjoy norma jeans second album but seeing them posture live was unbearable. add in SPREADING THE WORD OF JESUS and you pretty much can't get any worse.

Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: An Hafferdat Squid on April 30, 2008, 05:30:51 pm
damn i thought this was about to be hardcore dance. my heart hurts. D:
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Ryan on April 30, 2008, 05:51:10 pm
that shit looks so awful, ug.

i like a lot of hard core but they are just being ridiculous.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Quest-Master on April 30, 2008, 08:32:59 pm
Getting away from the subject of shitty Christian hardcore and whatnot, I saw Converge live last night. They are honestly heavyweights in the whole hybrid of punk/metal/hardcore/etc. thing they have going on being around since the early '90s and jesus do they still put on a hell of show. Listen to their magnum opus Jane Doe if you want to hear some of the ANGRIEST shit ever though I should say up front the vocals are definitely not suited for everyone, especially at GW.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 30, 2008, 09:27:16 pm
Converge is awesome live, agreeable.

but, there really is nothing wrong with Christian hardcore at all, it is not shitty. most of the best bands today are Christian.


also, DEP is just ridiculous, nothing they do makes sense. I guess that's just how they are haha.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: tomohawkjoe on April 30, 2008, 09:57:08 pm
I don't know dude, the only christian hardcore band I can stand to listen to is Underoath post There only chasing safety and thats it. I honestly can't stand bands like TDWP really annoy the hell out of me. The only thing I can attribute to them being good is that they put on a good live show, besides that, everything about them is just awful. I mean, I don't see how someone can watch this (http://youtube.com/watch?v=ufN6olJ3P8s) and think its "original". I really can't.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 30, 2008, 10:24:12 pm
I am not only talking about TDWP

good christian bands:

august burns red
the chariot
norma jean
here i come falling
for the fallen dreams
oceana
emery
a plea for purging
destroy the runner
for today
inhale exhale
life in your way
oh, sleeper
maylene and the sons of disaster (southern christian)
burden of a day
memphis may fire (southern christian also)
a different breed of killer (christian deathcore)
before their eyes
dance gavin dance
american me
catherine
every bridge burned
fear before the march of flames
dead and divine
he is legend
mychildren mybride
once nothing (SOUTHERN CHRISTIAN haha)
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Quest-Master on April 30, 2008, 11:01:01 pm
I'm gonna have to say most just about all of those are pretty terrible imo. Also, last I checked neither Fear Before or Dance Gavin Dance were Christian bands..
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on April 30, 2008, 11:43:27 pm
they are on a christian record label, and rise does not sign non-christian bands.


sorry qm
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Quest-Master on April 30, 2008, 11:56:48 pm
Quote from: Smoothy Oakland on April 30, 2008, 11:43:27 pm
they are on a christian record label, and rise does not sign non-christian bands.

Could you find me a reference for that? Just curious since Google hasn't come up with anything and Wikipedia/last.fm seem to both say otherwise.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on May 01, 2008, 12:03:29 am
fear before's first release was on rise records, and was a christian album. they are now on equal vision, and doing their own thing.

dance gavin dance's ex-singer jonny craig was pretty much the only reason the band would not be considered christian, due to his hardcore drug and alcohol abuse, but now he has found Jesus and is in Emarosa.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Shepperd on May 01, 2008, 12:52:22 am
jesus christ, why does christianity have to be in everywhere.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on May 01, 2008, 01:03:53 am
because, it is a major religion worldwide?
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: tomohawkjoe on May 01, 2008, 03:06:53 am
Hey guys, lets talk about how awesome the International Super Heroes of Hardcore (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendID=26648853) are. Madball's got our back is fucking awesome.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ghastly_darklord on May 01, 2008, 04:15:24 am
Quote from: DJ Soup on May 01, 2008, 12:52:22 am
jesus christ, why does christianity have to be in everywhere.
i think a better question is why do all these nerds have to point out that it's christian, like it makes a difference
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ThugTears666 on May 01, 2008, 09:56:33 am
Quote from: ghastly_darklord on May 01, 2008, 04:15:24 am
i think a better question is why do all these nerds have to point out that it's christian, like it makes a difference



Exactly what I was thinking, it sounds the same.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: cowardknower on May 01, 2008, 03:01:52 pm

Quote from: ghastly_darklord on May 01, 2008, 04:15:24 am
i think a better question is why do all these nerds have to point out that it's christian, like it makes a difference


well it does make a difference though.  I think when people say christian hardcore bands, they mean hardcore bands that have a christian message, not hardcore bands made up of christians.  the music having a christian message makes it different.

so are these guys really like trying to EVANGELIZE or something?  If they quote scripture at their shows and preach hellfire then that is awesome.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: tomohawkjoe on May 01, 2008, 04:12:45 pm
Well, I know underoath tell their audience that they playing for the honor and glory of god or something like that. I think the whole tag behind being a "christian" hardcore band is spreading the word and shit.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Shepperd on May 01, 2008, 09:16:14 pm
yeah I mean, I don't think Lenny Kravitz says he plays CHRISTIAN ROCK!!! despite his devotion to god and jesus
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on May 01, 2008, 09:24:26 pm
all the bands I am saying that are christian hardcore do not use any sort of verses from the bible or anything in their lyrics, sometimes they say "HE or HIM" referring to Jesus, but that's about it.

as tomohawk said, they play their music for the faith of Jesus or whatever.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ghastly_darklord on May 05, 2008, 02:21:39 am
Quote from: Smoothy Oakland on May 01, 2008, 09:24:26 pm
all the bands I am saying that are christian hardcore do not use any sort of verses from the bible or anything in their lyrics, sometimes they say "HE or HIM" referring to Jesus, but that's about it.

as tomohawk said, they play their music for the faith of Jesus or whatever.
how is the music different

obviously jesus didn't grant them the gift of doing anything different
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: eer on May 05, 2008, 08:47:38 pm
HEY CHECK OUT MY BAND WE PLAY HARDCORE

www.myspace.com/outlivehardcore

i love hardcore. great topic.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on May 05, 2008, 11:48:00 pm
Quote from: ghastly_darklord on May 05, 2008, 02:21:39 am
how is the music different

obviously jesus didn't grant them the gift of doing anything different

the lyrics do not contain cuss words.
they play for Jesus.
songs are usually about life and faith and stuff.
not aggressive.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ThugTears666 on May 05, 2008, 11:55:47 pm
Quote from: Smoothy Oakland on May 05, 2008, 11:48:00 pm
they play for Jesus.

Wouldnt he want to hear some beautiful melodies rather than demon like screaming?

I have always wondered about this!
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ghastly_darklord on May 07, 2008, 01:13:08 am
Quote from: Smoothy Oakland on May 05, 2008, 11:48:00 pm
the lyrics do not contain cuss words.
they play for Jesus.
songs are usually about life and faith and stuff.
not aggressive.
no norma jean is totally chill

the first three dont reference the actual music at all

im going to create needless subgenres for music with swearing and no swearing
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on May 07, 2008, 01:16:31 am
chamillionaire is "nicecentric southern rap"
ugk is "doomcentric southern rap"

basically I'm with SB.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: tomohawkjoe on May 07, 2008, 03:55:32 am
who the hell is SB?

EDIT:
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/i109.photobucket.com/albums/n63/tomohawkjoe/gw.webp)
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on May 07, 2008, 04:24:47 pm
sb is senior_behemoth or ghastly_darklord


but, really this is getting stupid, who cares why it is christian? it exists, I didn't make anything up, and it's not going away.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Shepperd on May 07, 2008, 09:04:34 pm
no, just pointing out how stupid and elitist christians are
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ghastly_darklord on May 09, 2008, 04:16:42 pm
Quote from: Smoothy Oakland on May 07, 2008, 04:24:47 pm
sb is senior_behemoth or ghastly_darklord


but, really this is getting stupid, who cares why it is christian? it exists, I didn't make anything up, and it's not going away.
it's my dying wish to see people enjoy music for what it is and not be ocd fucks about it
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Parker on May 12, 2008, 09:27:11 pm
Also, City Of Caterpillar is fantastic. Just noticed that you mentioned them. Absolutely fantastic band. The build up in "A Little Change Could Go a Long Ways" is insane.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Quest-Master on May 13, 2008, 02:58:13 am
Quote from: JOJOFACE on May 12, 2008, 09:27:11 pm
Also, City Of Caterpillar is fantastic. Just noticed that you mentioned them. Absolutely fantastic band. The build up in "A Little Change Could Go a Long Ways" is insane.

Some of their unreleased stuff is great too. Check out the song "Driving Spain Up the Wall" on Youtube.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: SEimagery on May 13, 2008, 03:01:03 am
If you are of Christian faith, ultimately most believe that God created Music, and so playing any kind of music, or talent is giving back to God, thus...worship.

I personally don't like tough guy hardcore, but if anyone wants to here a good punk/core band check out Comeback Kid.

Underoath is a great band, saw em live in December. They have a new album coming out September. I've actully seen most of the bands mentioned. I saw you liked August Burns Red, the bass player went to my highschool actully haha, and weirdly enough, the newest guitar player from Once Nothing is from kind of the same local scene around me.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ghastly_darklord on May 13, 2008, 03:30:19 am
Quote from: SEimagery on May 13, 2008, 03:01:03 am
If you are of Christian faith, ultimately most believe that God created Music, and so playing any kind of music, or talent is giving back to God, thus...worship
i have never read anything so dehumanizing. go crawl back in your cave

edit: if you believe that
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: tomohawkjoe on May 13, 2008, 03:46:05 am
Quote from: ghastly_darklord on May 13, 2008, 03:30:19 am
i have never read anything so dehumanizing. go crawl back in your cave

edit: if you believe that
This is pretty much why I gave up being a christian when I was like 16. The only music I was allowed to listen to was christian music because it "worshiped". Theres a verse in the bible that says pretty much the exact same thing that SE said if I'm not mistaken.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on May 13, 2008, 04:24:59 pm
Quote from: SEimagery on May 13, 2008, 03:01:03 am
If you are of Christian faith, ultimately most believe that God created Music, and so playing any kind of music, or talent is giving back to God, thus...worship.

I personally don't like tough guy hardcore, but if anyone wants to here a good punk/core band check out Comeback Kid.

Underoath is a great band, saw em live in December. They have a new album coming out September. I've actully seen most of the bands mentioned. I saw you liked August Burns Red, the bass player went to my highschool actully haha, and weirdly enough, the newest guitar player from Once Nothing is from kind of the same local scene around me.


Comeback Kid is really boring. I don't really like their style of hardcore (unless it's Casey Jones, because they're good).
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Vyse on May 13, 2008, 04:36:02 pm
I like Glassjaw.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on May 13, 2008, 09:10:18 pm
I like Glassjaw too, I actually caught their reunion in Feburary.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: Vyse on May 13, 2008, 09:36:40 pm
Lucky. The only hardcore thing out of here is Every Time I Die, and they don't even want to play near here. I'm amped for Glassjaw's new stuff.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: SEimagery on May 13, 2008, 09:59:36 pm
Quote from: ghastly_darklord on May 13, 2008, 03:30:19 am
i have never read anything so dehumanizing. go crawl back in your cave

edit: if you believe that

How is this dehumanizing? I don't get it. Worship isn't even about music, it can be anything. It's a lifestyle.

But before this turns into a religion tread, I believe it was a HARDCORE music thread.

Hmmm...A Skylit Drive anyone? They got a new Singer for their new EP, and in my opinion, the old one was better. Anyone heard of Cornerstone music festival? Hopefully i'll be going this year with some friends and seeing The Chariot, Maylene, and The Devil Wears Prada amung many others =D

RANDOM NOTE: Anyone ever seen Emery live? They are incredibly good, except their synth player annoys me. Its obvious they are using a backing track and yet he acts like he is playing the whole time...idk lol.
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: ATARI on May 13, 2008, 10:32:47 pm
i've mostly heard glassjaw referred to as post-hardcore not that i have any idea what that means but they're one of the few bands that could fall under this topic that I listen to and like a lot.    I hope they release their new album sometime soon
Title: Music TOTW week 2: Hardcore
Post by: unusualgamer on May 16, 2008, 07:32:23 am
Quote from: SEimagery on May 13, 2008, 09:59:36 pm
How is this dehumanizing? I don't get it. Worship isn't even about music, it can be anything. It's a lifestyle.

But before this turns into a religion tread, I believe it was a HARDCORE music thread.

Hmmm...A Skylit Drive anyone? They got a new Singer for their new EP, and in my opinion, the old one was better. Anyone heard of Cornerstone music festival? Hopefully i'll be going this year with some friends and seeing The Chariot, Maylene, and The Devil Wears Prada amung many others =D

RANDOM NOTE: Anyone ever seen Emery live? They are incredibly good, except their synth player annoys me. Its obvious they are using a backing track and yet he acts like he is playing the whole time...idk lol.


1. a skylit drive is okay. blessthefall also got a new singer!

2. cornerstone is sweet.

3. I've seen Emery, they're one of the best live acts I have ever seen (other than Dillinger Escape Plan, Tera Melos, and Every Time I Die)