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Archives => News => Community Content => Announcement Archives => Topic started by: Rowain on January 08, 2006, 10:25:25 pm
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This a repost, originally put together by Steel and posted as an announcement by DragonSlayer. It's now open to public opinion, etcLately we've noticed a disturbing trend on our forums, and it's not something we can really create a rule against. Rather, I think we're going to make an announcement about it, and hopefully you guys will pay attention.That problem is we are becoming a shapeless blob.Think about it for a second, and then go into a topic and try and pick people out from their posts. There are mods, staffers, admins, premiums, regular members that you can instantly tell the poster from the post alone.And then there are about a hundred that you can't, because they are all posting this:
holy shit
oh man
i would like to but internet is gay so :(
This isn't that bad if it wasn't MULTIPLE PEOPLE DOING THIS, and more people trying. A perfect example is the recent Christmas thread debacle (http://72.232.26.242/~admin/forums/showthread.php?t=38950&page=1).You will notice that leafo got a TALKING TO and guess what, he's SO MUCH of a better poster now because of it. But imagine this; imagine leafo hadn't quadruple posted. Those posts could have all been done by four different people. Hell, they might as well have been.This kind of posting is not exclusive to that topic, and is DEFINITELY not exclusive to the people posting in that topic.So basically, CUT IT OUT. I'm not saying NO MORE LOWERCASED POSTS or NO MORE ONELINERS or even NO MORE FUNTIMES. Hell, there are people on this forum who do all three of those without turning into one of the BLOBS. But guys, just stop. It's not funny, it does not give you a sense of identity, and it's really REALLY irritating to become literally UNABLE to tell your post from someone else's.You don't need to imitate some weird amalgam superposter you have in your head with witty one sentence quips every post.
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You will notice that leafo got a TALKING TO and guess what he's SO MUCH of a better poster now because of it. But imagine this; imagine leafo hadn't quadruple posted. Those posts could have all been done by four different people. Hell, they might as well have been.
This.---------------------------Anyway... I think posting something like "this" isn't that bad... Especially when a topic is asking for peoples' opinions and someone has the same opinion... It lets the poster know that more people have that opinion without making the person retype it all... I mean, of course it would be good for them to add to it, but not everyone has anything to add. Although it is annoying when someone quotes something like "oh man" and puts "This." ^^Just start warning people... With a light/soft/not bad warn thing... Whatever it is called!
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This.---------------------------Anyway... I think posting something like "this" isn't that bad... Especially when a topic is asking for peoples' opinions and someone has the same opinion... It lets the poster know that more people have that opinion without making the person retype it all... I mean of course it would be good for them to add to it, but not everyone has anything to add. Although it is annoying when someone quotes something like "oh man" and puts "This." ^^Just start warning people... With a light/soft/not bad warn thing... Whatever it is called!
You could at least dress it up a little. Leaving it at "This" is just laziness. Even "Yeah, I agree. And what really gets me is ______" would do.Also I agree! The growing facelessness and loss of identity among a large portion of GW's members is pretty gay imoget it
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This.---------------------------Anyway... I think posting something like "this" isn't that bad... Especially when a topic is asking for peoples' opinions and someone has the same opinion... It lets the poster know that more people have that opinion without making the person retype it all... I mean of course it would be good for them to add to it, but not everyone has anything to add. Although it is annoying when someone quotes something like "oh man" and puts "This." ^^Just start warning people... With a light/soft/not bad warn thing... Whatever it is called!
haha, funny, i quoted what he said. Well too bad, cuz I agree with him. It's perfectly fine to post that you agree with someone. Though... sometimes people post things without context and they could be using it to make fun of someone... think ghettofab sig...
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Oh, the terrible irony.EDIT: this post has been obsoleted.
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I read the announcement. I'm glad to see spam will start getting modded now adays. Having people quoting a post for their entire post is annoying.
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You could at least dress it up a little. Leaving it at "This" is just laziness. Even "Yeah I agree. And what really gets me is ______" would do.Also I agree! The growing facelessness and loss of identity among a large portion of GW's members is pretty gay imoget it
whoever started the whole imo trend should burn in hell imoAlso, I personally don't really mind people quoting others if they share the same opinion but saying something more than "This." would be good. It gets pretty annoying.Anyway, I hope this will help a bit. I don't want to start warning yet since this whole thing is pretty vague and it's hard to create a definite rule to stop it as well.
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I find it pretty annoying when I see one-word posts or one-sentence posts which could have been written by over 200 people on here.But I don't have as much of a problem as just quoting. If someone has said what you believe then quoting is an easy way to show you agree, if you feel you have to post because it's something you want people to know how you feel about it.Anyway, I'm glad there's going to be at least some policing about this, as the forum is starting to lost a bit of identity and freshness.
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I agree with bazookatooth.Just quoting and saying nothing or saying "This." or "Yes." seriously isn't contributing much/at all.
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But what if the person you quoted had perfectly summarized your thoughts, and you can't really do anything else but say you agree wholeheartedly? I assume in general forum you could just not post at all but in poll forums not posting because someone thinks exactly like you kind of defeats the purpose (even though you could just vote then but you know what im sayyyiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnngggggggggggggggggggggggg~~~~~~~~~~)
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Then I think you should try to do a better job or elaborate on places where he or she might not have touched. There's always something to say or explicate buster brown! But yeah, I'm really glad this is posted, I think only GOOD can come from this. People (including DOC POPULAR) need to realize that they can't bank on their post count anymore.
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These are primarily DISCUSSION forums, not POLL forums. Outside of the poll forum, there is absolutely no need for you to post just to show "hey, I agree with x about y issue". Zero. nada. Zip. It's right in the rules that I wrote, and I took the ideas about posting straight out of Bart's old rules which have been the same for years: Don't post if you're not adding to the topic. "Quoting + This." is little more than a post count + 1.It's strange that I've never bothered warning or enforcing it or anything, considering I'm usually pretty quick to warn and shit. But that's changing now because as you can likely see, it's getting out of hand. Obviously people would say "it's not a big problem, it's just people agreeing with each other" but that's ridiculously lazy and defeatist. We're better than that. "Quote + This." is a World of Warcraft forum attitude and if anyone is happy with being on the same level as the WoW forums in terms of quality, you can leave now.
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if anyone is happy with being on the same level as the WoW forums in terms of quality you can leave now.
Goodbye sir...I'm kidding. Actually I'm pretty happy to see the mods decided to put a stop to this before it goes even more out of hands. I must say that I sometime used to make that kind of "Quote+This" but now I will put a stop to this and every intelligent members on this forum should too.
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What's the policy on shit like this:
office depot ate my baby
Original Thread (http://72.232.26.242/~admin/forums/showthread.php?t=39540)
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These are primarily DISCUSSION forums not POLL forums. Outside of the poll forum, there is absolutely no need for you to post just to show "hey, I agree with x about y issue". Zero. nada. Zip. It's right in the rules that I wrote, and I took the ideas about posting straight out of Bart's old rules which have been the same for years: Don't post if you're not adding to the topic. "Quoting + This." is little more than a post count + 1.It's strange that I've never bothered warning or enforcing it or anything, considering I'm usually pretty quick to warn and shit. But that's changing now because as you can likely see, it's getting out of hand. Obviously people would say "it's not a big problem, it's just people agreeing with each other" but that's ridiculously lazy and defeatist. We're better than that. "Quote + This." is a World of Warcraft forum attitude and if anyone is happy with being on the same level as the WoW forums in terms of quality, you can leave now.
Well... Isn't a forum supposed to be kind of like a "discussion forum" and we're supposed to be having discussions? A lot of times in life if you're talking with a bunch of people, and you make a point, you'll get a bunch of people who say "Yeah, I agree with that!" I don't see the point of penalizing people for that. You're like turning this into a serious political meeting where people have these huge posts every time, and people aren't allowed to speak out of turn. =/ It's an amateur gaming community... You're going to have people of all ages who all talk in different ways... It's just natural to say "Yeah, I agree" when someone says something.
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What's the policy on shit like this:
I think Hundley himself is the best at explaining that.http://72.232.26.242/~admin/forums/showthread.php?t=39068&page=1&pp=25
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Ketay@well, considering it's an internet forum you needn't be as SOCIALLY COMFORTIVE and you have the time to put thought and value to your posts. LOL SERIOUS BUSINESS isn't exactly the best way to oppose probable advancements in forum discussion quality!!
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imo this is what we deserve. We are one bunch of shitty lazy fuckers who can't even finish their games on various makers. When we can't even complete those, how are we to complete our posts on this forum? If a forum is made up by lazy people, who wants to make games but cba to learn actual programming and uses an easy tool to do it for them, and even then can't get a good game done, then the posts are most likely to become just that; lazy.
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Well... Isn't a forum supposed to be kind of like a "discussion forum" and we're supposed to be having discussions? A lot of times in life if you're talking with a bunch of people and you make a point, you'll get a bunch of people who say "Yeah, I agree with that!" I don't see the point of penalizing people for that. You're like turning this into a serious political meeting where people have these huge posts every time, and people aren't allowed to speak out of turn. =/ It's an amateur gaming community... You're going to have people of all ages who all talk in different ways... It's just natural to say "Yeah, I agree" when someone says something.
Yeah. Sure. But have you ever had a discussion with someone who just says YEAH I AGREE over and over? It's pointless and boring. In REAL discussions, no one just says I agree. They add their own opinions. Besides, this isn't a car of friends, this is a place where hundreds of people come and post their thoughts and opinions. When you get a bunch of people posting "This" all over the place, it starts to get from pointless. The idea is just DONT post it if you have nothing else to say.No one is trying to turn this into some circle jerk forum where we all fellate each other through thirty paragraph essays. You can post one or two lines without being a worthless tool who has nothing to say but THIS to someone else in the topic. You're also doing exactly what I knew someone would do. THIS IS JUST AN AMATEUR GAMEMAKING FORUM... Well sorry for trying to enforce some sort of quality control. I suppose we shouldn't care that television is flooded with crappy reality TV and sitcoms because it's just the media. Sure, that's an inflated example, but the point is that people can put a few more seconds into their posts and add some semblance of thought over mindless agreement. I know I sure respect someone more if they can say more than "I agree!"
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What's the policy on shit like this:Original Thread (http://72.232.26.242/~admin/forums/showthread.php?t=39540)
you wouldn't know AWESOME POST if it ejaculated on your grandfather
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also i am a pretty awful poster but you guys know you'd miss me :words: :words: :words: :iceburn:
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There is no place for felatio in a circle jerk.I would much rather people using a quote as their entire post rather then rephrasing or reposting the same thing. It's easier to identify and ignore worthless posts when they're not disguised as worthful.
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I think a better solution would be to just take away post count all together. I'm sure many people would agree with me on this.
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I think a better solution would be to just take away post count all together. I'm sure many people would agree with me on this.
No one gives a shit about post count. Removing it wouldn't change how people posted, or how useless and generic their posts were.
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There is no place for felatio in a circle jerk.I would much rather people using a quote as their entire post rather then rephrasing or reposting the same thing. It's easier to identify and ignore worthless posts when they're not disguised as worthful.
How about............. NEITHER. Crazy idea, I know. No one's asking people to, instead of quoting an entire post, adding nothing, and saying they agree, to rewrite the entire post in their own words, making the exact same points. But you could, you know, elaborate on some of their points, cover shit they missed, reinforce their arguments. It's not exactly an EITHER/OR situation, here.
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I used rather twice in that post.IF, THEN and maybe GOTO
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I suppose we shouldn't care that television is flooded with crappy reality TV and sitcoms because it's just the media. Sure that's an inflated example, but the point is that people can put a few more seconds into their posts and add some semblance of thought over mindless agreement."
And a really bad example... Since they have all those on TV because so many people like them... But I guess because you don't like them it makes them crappy!Anyway, it just doesn't seem natural for a forum to be this formal. People don't always have their own opinions on things; they often share the same opinion as someone else.
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These are primarily DISCUSSION forums not POLL forums. Outside of the poll forum, there is absolutely no need for you to post just to show "hey, I agree with x about y issue". Zero. nada. Zip.
This, basically. In the poll forum it should be allowed, though, or I probably won't be posting in anymore polls :(.
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And a really bad example... Since they have all those on TV because so many people like them... But I guess because you don't like them it makes them crappy!Anyway it just doesn't seem natural for a forum to be this formal. People don't always have their own opinions on things; they often share the same opinion as someone else.
....How is asking people to use their BRAINS suddenly a formality?
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Because it goes against the very nature of the speices, clearly, Rowain! If we suddenly start using our brains before having conversations, why....um......well, I'm sure it would cause some sort of anarchy, anyway.
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Because it goes against the very nature of the speices clearly, Rowain! If we suddenly start using our brains before having conversations, why....um......well, I'm sure it would cause some sort of anarchy, anyway.
Rowain's post was made specifically for you. We don't want posts like this.
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If I'm allowed to add in my .02 cents, I think a lot of what started this trend (by which I mean things like targ posts outside of crap shack, inentional poor grammar, and one-liner catch phrases like "gay imo") can be pointed at the moderators, staff, and popular/respected members. A lot of us posted our fair share of such posts in the past years (like that one thread in PP&A that was linked toin the Command and Control forums some time ago, featuring a huge array of one-liners by people such as rami and QM), and because it was acceptable for us to do it back then, it now became an acceptable - even cool - behavior for people to post things like "gay imo" and "This." After seeing mods do it, people began thinking things like "Steel doesthis so it must be okay for me to do it" or "Diggity does this so it must be cool," and it catches on in the community.While it's possible to point fingers at members who do such things now and say stop, I think the best way to go about this is simply for the mods and admins to set a different example and try to reinforce that things like "gay imo" is not really cool and that opinions should be more thought out (mainly by not doing this themselves). That way, members will gradually stop posting in such methods, and the only problem you would be left with is one-line opinions rather than a massive array of things.
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If I'm allowed to add in my .02 cents I think a lot of what started this trend (by which I mean things like targ posts outside of crap shack, inentional poor grammar, and one-liner catch phrases like "gay imo") can be pointed at the moderators, staff, and popular/respected members. A lot of us posted our fair share of such posts in the past years (like that one thread in PP&A that was linked toin the Command and Control forums some time ago, featuring a huge array of one-liners by people such as rami and QM), and because it was acceptable for us to do it back then, it now became an acceptable - even cool - behavior for people to post things like "gay imo" and "This." After seeing mods do it, people began thinking things like "Steel doesthis so it must be okay for me to do it" or "Diggity does this so it must be cool," and it catches on in the community.
Ya no shit. We've already discussed this in the mod forum extensively, and came to many conclusions. Thanks your your helpful input though!
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Steel doesn't do this. Neither does Diggity. I mean, I am really hoping you used those examples of people that DO NOT fall under this shit, because if so, you've really missed the whole point of the topic.And like Jester said, of course we know that. We've already discussed it, to near death, in the mod forum.
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I have to admit, I've been guilty of quoting something and putting "This" after it on occasion.I am a lazy bastard. :sly:
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I think one of the things Azure was talking about was the aforementioned Hundley. I constantly see him post nonsense posts, and a lot of the times I find them quite funny, but that doesn't mean that they are needed. And as far as I know, he hasn't suffered any reprocutions because of such posts.Another good thing Azure brought up was the Mod/Admin attitudes. A while ago I severely hated the way Steel got around doing pretty much anything he wanted, doing some pretty stupid things that normal members would get warned/banned for. Some of the mods even agreed with me (that whole "4 out of 5 moderators think Steel is an idiot" sig), but with Steel being a Mod there wasn't really anything to do. For whatever reason, I haven't noticed Steel doing anything "unmodly" for quite some time now, nor any other mods, but in the past I can recall this being a big problem, just as Azure mentioned.
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I think one of the things Azure was talking about was the aforementioned Hundley. I constantly see him post nonsense posts and a lot of the times I find them quite funny, but that doesn't mean that they are needed. And as far as I know, he hasn't suffered any reprocutions because of such posts.Another good thing Azure brought up was the Mod/Admin attitudes. A while ago I severely hated the way Steel got around doing pretty much anything he wanted, doing some pretty stupid things that normal members would get warned/banned for. Some of the mods even agreed with me (that whole "4 out of 5 moderators think Steel is an idiot" sig), but with Steel being a Mod there wasn't really anything to do. For whatever reason, I haven't noticed Steel doing anything "unmodly" for quite some time now, nor any other mods, but in the past I can recall this being a big problem, just as Azure mentioned.
You have no idea what the fuck we're talking about.
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I used to be such a bad poster. 1/3 of all my posts were just quotes, but one day Trystero said sometime to me about it, and so I mended my ways... Sort of. Sure, my posts STILL lacked content, and some were definatley violations of things mentioned above (bad grammar, etc.), but I do make quality posts as often as I can, and I'll try to do it even more often...But on the other side of the coin, I'm sure we don't want to become uber strict communist forum either. Of course I know this isn't what the mods are talking about at all, but I'm just trying to get across that this doesn't mean no more fun and games, it just means not every other post should be "gay imo".At least that's how I understand it.
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I think one of the things Azure was talking about was the aforementioned Hundley. I constantly see him post nonsense posts and a lot of the times I find them quite funny, but that doesn't mean that they are needed. And as far as I know, he hasn't suffered any reprocutions because of such posts.Another good thing Azure brought up was the Mod/Admin attitudes. A while ago I severely hated the way Steel got around doing pretty much anything he wanted, doing some pretty stupid things that normal members would get warned/banned for. Some of the mods even agreed with me (that whole "4 out of 5 moderators think Steel is an idiot" sig), but with Steel being a Mod there wasn't really anything to do. For whatever reason, I haven't noticed Steel doing anything "unmodly" for quite some time now, nor any other mods, but in the past I can recall this being a big problem, just as Azure mentioned.
This is the stupidest fucking thing you have ever posted, and you've posted a topic asking whether you should ask a girl out or buy shoes before so that's pretty goddam phenomenal.Anyways, STOP TALKING ABOUTI have an opinion
this.
THAT IS NOT THE POINT OF THE TOPIC. THIS IS:Quote: i just want to see king kong rip a t-rex in half Quote: didn't see a monkey in the movie. Quote: his heart is giant, its full of love Quote: what the fuck are you talking about Quote: oh christ this movie was horrible. too long, to lame, and jack black is a terrible actor and anyone who can't see that is a terrible person. Quote: another casualty... Quote: also isn't this a movie too? I'll wait for that. Quote: i found the book very bad and i did not finish it Quote: it's an awful book, i'm going to download the movie at the very most.Quote: hey i ilike where this is going Quote: can`t wait for next revelations :O Quote: my dreams...... fulfilled........... Quote: penii is not even a damn word!
WHO POSTED THIS SHIT. WHO. TELL ME GODDAMMIT. If you can tell me from those posts alone, I will eat my hat. The good one, not the straw one.That's the real problem. It's not just people quoting and writing THIS but a general THIS attitude on the forum. Everyone wants WITTY ONE LINERS when almost none of them are remotely funny and are in fact closer to ANUS DRIBBLE than any thing resembling a post.
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To be fair, I am pretty sure the third from the bottom is Arucard but only because of that stupid `. He hasn`t learned what an apostrophe is!
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No, I was serious, penii isn't a word! Not trying to be witty or anything. I despise reading through a lot of non-sensible posts.
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It would be pretty difficult to expect people to act like individuals on line, when so few of them can manage it in real life, though. At that point, one almost has to start making GW an exclusive club to keep the "riffraff" out (Hehe. "Riffraff." Language is so fun!)
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It would be pretty difficult to expect people to act like individuals on line when so few of them can manage it in real life, though. At that point, one almost has to start making GW an exclusive club to keep the "riffraff" out (Hehe. "Riffraff." Language is so fun!)
Yeah, see, this would apply except there's already a clear group of PSUEDOELITES at GW and these are certainly NOT THEM. Usually, they get referred to as the Targers, although that's certainly not true either. Regardless, if this is an attempt to make GW exclusive, not only has that attempt been made already, but it's such a pathetic and easy one to mimic that it fails completely. Like, you COULD say if Targ was a method to lock people out of a group (although it isn't, since very few people like targ enough for it to be a LOCKING MECHANISM), then it would work; it's hard for people to initially figure out SHOW ME YOUR BENSONS or whatever.But something like "oh man" and "hahahahaha, holy shit" is pretty easy to get into!
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Well, if people really want to post useless one liners, they can just as well as get on IRC. Sometimes few topics literally remind me of a chatroom more than a thread on forums, which it's not really supposed to do. It isn't realtime chat, you're supposed to put some thought into what you write.And remember, as mentioned in the announcement we aren't going to ENFORCE this really (we might mention it to some people who do it all the time, and we actually have, I've seen it on IRC), it's just that many people don't even ACKNOWLEDGE they are doing this. And hopefully after they read this they realise it's not that cool.And even though this topic isn't about the "This." thing, I have to mention this. Like already mentioned the idea behind quoting and agreeing with something like "This." might be in some occasions acceptable, such as in poll forum. But aside from that you aren't usually contributing much, or sometimes at all.For example say that there's a topic about some specific movie in general forum, first someone posts "I thought it was OK." Then someone else quotes that and says "This."I mean, sure, the movie being ok might be your opinion as well, but come on, you can at least tell what's good/bad about it. And that goes for almost any topic, usually the "This." replies quotes some relatively vague posts. I doubt that it almost ever summarizes that person's thoughts about the subject, honestly. And it isn't something that happens occassionally, that'd be fine, but you can go to almost any topic and see people doing it.And Wackfiend what the hell are you talking about?
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that doesn't mean that they are needed. And as far as I know he hasn't suffered any reprocutions because of such posts.
teach me how to be pertinent wackfield :cry: :cry:
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I'll give you more chance by fairly replying to what you've said.
I think one of the things Azure was talking about was the aforementioned Hundley. I constantly see him post nonsense posts and a lot of the times I find them quite funny, but that doesn't mean that they are needed. And as far as I know, he hasn't suffered any reprocutions because of such posts.
So you admit that you find them funny, and yet they're somehow "unnecessary"? Do you think they harm the seriousness of this place? Of course, you can personally be serious about every topic in here, but that doesn't mean it's unwanted if someone brings humor into the atmosphere; and like he's said, it's not like he doesn't have it in him to take up a good (human-legible) argument sometimes. He actually usually does, cleverly hidden in humor. You can either see it or you can't.What I do know, however, is that punishing someone for making good posts that are sometimes simple beside the point isn't a good idea. The real bother are the people who, like stated in this topic over and over again, don't put in any effort at all. Hundley is actually very much beside the point in this discussion, and although it was wrong to call his name, I kind of thought that it would happen.Another good thing Azure brought up was the Mod/Admin attitudes. A while ago I severely hated the way Steel got around doing pretty much anything he wanted doing some pretty stupid things that normal members would get warned/banned for. Some of the mods even agreed with me (that whole "4 out of 5 moderators think Steel is an idiot" sig), but with Steel being a Mod there wasn't really anything to do. For whatever reason, I haven't noticed Steel doing anything "unmodly" for quite some time now, nor any other mods, but in the past I can recall this being a big problem, just as Azure mentioned.
I'll leave alone your argument that Steel does "unmodly" things for now, and skip to what bothered me the most about this.So you say that "some of the mods" "even agreed" with the sig? And we're to believe that no-citation gossip quote? When you're trying to get a mod to change his attitude (which you're clearly trying to do, even if you state that you think he hasn't done anything wrong the past while) then you're going to have to come with a lot more than "some people agreed with me when I said this before". Even if you say that these "some people" are mods, this is still a completely empty argument. Furthermore, you state that these "some people" agreed with you, but how are we to know that they didn't just slightly see your point rather than agree, or even disagreed but joined in as a joke (by adding the image to their sig)?I know that taking apart your posts is probably a waste of my time, but I think it's important to note exactly what bothers me about each and every one of your posts: you don't think out your arguments to iron out the painfully obvious counter-arguments that are just waiting to be made, and you simply don't put in any effort to make yourself credible. I don't think I've ever seen you make a post that made me think "hmm, even though I don't agree with his opinion, he's got a good point there", and if you keep this up, I don't think you ever will.
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And Wackfiend what the hell are you talking about?
I was just saying I agreed with what Azure had said, and gave some examples of what he was talking about. Sure, I didn't refer to any of the mods going "[/quote] this", but it was still a problem plaguing GW because of the ways the mods acted. Basically, yeah, GW has a lot of shit in it recently, but its not necessarily (though most often is) because of the newer/younger members.
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Yeah see, this would apply except there's already a clear group of PSUEDOELITES at GW and these are certainly NOT THEM. Usually, they get referred to as the Targers, although that's certainly not true either. Regardless, if this is an attempt to make GW exclusive, not only has that attempt been made already, but it's such a pathetic and easy one to mimic that it fails completely. Like, you COULD say if Targ was a method to lock people out of a group (although it isn't, since very few people like targ enough for it to be a LOCKING MECHANISM), then it would work; it's hard for people to initially figure out SHOW ME YOUR BENSONS or whatever.But something like "oh man" and "hahahahaha, holy shit" is pretty easy to get into!
Barney_rubble95 asked "How do I become a big guy" or something similiar. Was he answered?Perhaps if the question was answered then more people would become big guys.
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Wow. I am pretty confused now thanks to the several counterpoints provided in the recent posts, but I'm going to cleverly hide it by asking about how this all will effect Crap Shack, where you're not generally expected to post essays about how and why a given video is funny. Perhaps I am nitpicking but I suddenly felt a twinge of guilt because I've made my fair share of "ohman hahahahahahahaha" posts!!edit: as a side note though, i am intrigued as to how many people immediately recognize me by my posts alone 8)
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so one-liners are a big No-No now? Is that what this is all about? Or am I just not reading everything correctly and need to seriously learn my English? Teach me you almighty mods. Teach me the ways of a good poster, so I can eventually reach my destiny of being a great poster of many words! No seriously, please answer my question.
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Wait, we're angry because you cannot tell who posted something purely by reading the post? Oh come on, we have a billion fucking members, of course you can't tell! Ok, everyone pick a unique feature to add to your posts! I will be using:@~Jester~@
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I was just saying I agreed with what Azure had said and gave some examples of what he was talking about. Sure, I didn't refer to any of the mods going "[//quote] this", but it was still a problem plaguing GW because of the ways the mods acted. Basically, yeah, GW has a lot of shit in it recently, but its not necessarily (though most often is) because of the newer/younger members.
How the hell did you miss my post?
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Gamingw doesn't seem worse than a couple of years ago. Maybe its just because some of the moderators have been here a long time and so have got a "kids these days... don't know how to post..." attitude. When one is in their early teens one likes all that internet baffoonery.
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But on the other side of the coin, I'm sure we don't want to become uber strict communist forum either. Of course I know this isn't what the mods are talking about at all, but I'm just trying to get across that this doesn't mean no more fun and games, it just means not every other post should be "gay imo".
Exactly. We don't want GW to become some very strict forum where nothing is allowed. We want to keep the old atmosphere and we will allow people to have fun and play around as long as it's actually funny or at least not just entirely shitty.I think one of the things Azure was talking about was the aforementioned Hundley. I constantly see him post nonsense posts, and a lot of the times I find them quite funny, but that doesn't mean that they are needed. And as far as I know, he hasn't suffered any reprocutions because of such posts.
This topic is not about spamming or one-liners. It's about how members have no personality and they all post in a similar fashion to the point you can't tell difference between them. I can tell Hundley's posts apart from others. Like I just mentioned above, we don't want people to stop having fun. This topic is not about that at all.Another good thing Azure brought up was the Mod/Admin attitudes. A while ago I severely hated the way Steel got around doing pretty much anything he wanted, doing some pretty stupid things that normal members would get warned/banned for. Some of the mods even agreed with me (that whole "4 out of 5 moderators think Steel is an idiot" sig), but with Steel being a Mod there wasn't really anything to do. For whatever reason, I haven't noticed Steel doing anything "unmodly" for quite some time now, nor any other mods, but in the past I can recall this being a big problem, just as Azure mentioned.
Jesus. There's nothing wrong with the attitudes of our moderating team. They are humans too and yes, they have done mistakes but this is not about that. Try to stay on topic. Thanks for pointing fingers though, you sure contributed!I was just saying I agreed with what Azure had said, and gave some examples of what he was talking about. Sure, I didn't refer to any of the mods going "this", but it was still a problem plaguing GW because of the ways the mods acted. Basically, yeah, GW has a lot of shit in it recently, but its not necessarily (though most often is) because of the newer/younger members.
You don't get it AT ALL. Azure wasn't saying HAY MODERATORS HAVE ATTITUDE PROBLAMS THEY DONT DO THEIR JOB WELL. He was saying that moderators and some other popular members are also part of the problem on hand. The problem on hand. The problem we are talking in this topic. NOT what you are talking about. Let me say it one more time. NOT what you are talking about. Do you get it? Moderators are part of the problem because they have been doing this shit too. Or rather, they have been INSPIRATION because they are fairly popular members. It's true that moderators have been doing this stuff as well but that's not all of it. Even targers like Hundley who have personality could be root of this problem. Steel could be one. Rowain or I could also be one cause of this problem. Not because we jumped on the bandwagon, though. It's because we have posted one-liners, we have double posted and we have posted in the lower caps style. But we have been doing it for a long time, long before this problem got serious because everyone started doing it in the SAME WAY. It wasn't always like that. The fact that we have this problem now doesn't mean we posted in a similar way as most of the members who are doing it now or that we didn't have personality. That's why it wasn't a problem before.Man, let me say a good example. I still remember when I started the "imo" trend on IRC and forums just to see how long it'll take before people start to use it. And it didn't take long until people started to use it. Was it a problem when I was doing it? Not really. But when others started using it in a similar way, of course it became a problem because everyone was doing it. Before I started the whole "imo" thing, I told some people what I'm trying to test. rami probably remembers it. However, the difference between my example and the issue on hand is that the members who jumped on the bandwagon aren't even necessarily posting in a similar fashion as the members who might be more or less reason of the problem.
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Wow. I am pretty confused now thanks to the several counterpoints provided in the recent posts but I'm going to cleverly hide it by asking about how this all will effect Crap Shack, where you're not generally expected to post essays about how and why a given video is funny. Perhaps I am nitpicking but I suddenly felt a twinge of guilt because I've made my fair share of "ohman hahahahahahahaha" posts!!edit: as a side note though, i am intrigued as to how many people immediately recognize me by my posts alone 8)
LORd, while this doesn't DIRECTLY apply to the Crap Shack, I am going to enforce it in part. Sometimes something deserves a good 'hahahaha' or a jesus christ' but when it and pretty stupid one liners like 'why dont you show me YOUR hotdog' (stupid example) are the majority of what you post in the Crap Shack, I may warn.The Crap Shack is not a fallout zone decaying from nuclear spam, it's a place where things that just aren't serious enough or just don't belong in General go. We're not STRICT about enforcing the rules but we want to keep the Crap Shack funny and we want to keep it decent. I don't want it to be the place where people go to spam up it up with witty one liners and shit posts like people seem to be doing now. If I get repeat offenders in a single topic, yeah, I'm going to warn.
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so one-liners are a big No-No now? Is that what this is all about? Or am I just not reading everything correctly and need to seriously learn my English? Teach me you almighty mods. Teach me the ways of a good poster so I can eventually reach my destiny of being a great poster of many words! No seriously, please answer my question.
It's not the one liners. It's the CONTENT of those one liners. Just take a look into the page one for examples.
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also i am a pretty awful poster but you guys know you'd miss me :words: :words: :words: :iceburn:
Indeed.Shit, I'm displaying MY bad habit right here.(And then conveniently, no "Edited by" line appears. Fuck.)
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Wait we're angry because you cannot tell who posted something purely by reading the post? Oh come on, we have a billion fucking members, of course you can't tell! Ok, everyone pick a unique feature to add to your posts! I will be using:@~Jester~@
...if this is to me, first of all, why did you not bring this up in the topic in the mod forum, when, you know, WE WERE ALL DISCUSSING IT.secondly, it is not because I cannot tell people solely from their posts, but the fact that this happens in SUCCESSION so many times we might as well have ONE MEMBER running around making quadruple posts in topics that are all like this.it's a complete lack of identity combined with a disturbing urge to post things with a lack of identity. hell, I used you as an example of someone who posts in a similar style and STILL you can tell who it is and it's STILL more than just "holy shit" or "this is gay".it goes beyond one liners, double posting, or even WITTY COMMENT. it's this mass identity that many people on GW, from admins to members, seem to want to propigate, and while this would be fine if it wasn't INCREDIBLY BORING AND IRRITATING, I (and of course the many others that posted in the topic asdoaina JESTER) would have no problem with it.and yeah, I was actually afraid someone would bring up SIGNATURE MOVES as an argument, even though you are joking!ending a post with "<3" or "pilt!" does not make you really that unique (or for that matter, "`" instead of " ' " which is just IRRITATING), it just makes you kind of an idiot!the problem here is the CONTENT of the lines being posted. hell, one liners and WIT are funny, if they are not always the same thing being posted by someone else. the Christmas topic has MANY examples of this, and not just from leafo. it's just plain irritating and so yeah, STOP IT YOU GAYBERS.
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we might as well have ONE MEMBER running around making quadruple posts in topics that are all like this.
i nominate myself for this job i need something to do at work :( better to have me do this then generic face of the masses mr. i likel kingdom hearts?????
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It strikes me that a lot of people have no personality anyway so you wouldn't be able to tell their posts from someone elses whether they wrote ten paragraphs or ten words. It seems irrelevant.To me it seems the drive behind this is not about INDIVIDUALITY at all but just to avoid a forum filled with:"what do you think of this?""gay imo""lol""great topic fucktard""stop fucking flaming FFS""hahahaha"etc.Which is fine by me, but don't pretend your trying to foster individuality.
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Forgive me if I get the wrong message from this topic, but I read through this entire thing and I somehow came up with that post, so it must have SOME connection to the topic at hand.
So you admit that you find them funny, and yet they're somehow "unnecessary"? Do you think they harm the seriousness of this place? Of course, you can personally be serious about every topic in here, but that doesn't mean it's unwanted if someone brings humor into the atmosphere; and like he's said, it's not like he doesn't have it in him to take up a good (human-legible) argument sometimes. He actually usually does, cleverly hidden in humor. You can either see it or you can't.What I do know, however, is that punishing someone for making good posts that are sometimes simple beside the point isn't a good idea. The real bother are the people who, like stated in this topic over and over again, don't put in any effort at all. Hundley is actually very much beside the point in this discussion, and although it was wrong to call his name, I kind of thought that it would happen.
Rowain said that "Quoting + This" is little more than post count +1. How do Hundley's posts differ from that? Often times his posts have absolutely nothing to do with the topic, one example being the "office depot ate my baby" mentioned earlier. This may not focus on the topic at hand, but just imagine if everyone posted this nonsense. Like Azure said, if some member sees Hundley doing it and sees that it is alright, what is to stop him from doing it as well?I'll leave alone your argument that Steel does "unmodly" things for now, and skip to what bothered me the most about this.So you say that "some of the mods" "even agreed" with the sig? And we're to believe that no-citation gossip quote? When you're trying to get a mod to change his attitude (which you're clearly trying to do, even if you state that you think he hasn't done anything wrong the past while) then you're going to have to come with a lot more than "some people agreed with me when I said this before". Even if you say that these "some people" are mods, this is still a completely empty argument. Furthermore, you state that these "some people" agreed with you, but how are we to know that they didn't just slightly see your point rather than agree, or even disagreed but joined in as a joke (by adding the image to their sig)?I know that taking apart your posts is probably a waste of my time, but I think it's important to note exactly what bothers me about each and every one of your posts: you don't think out your arguments to iron out the painfully obvious counter-arguments that are just waiting to be made, and you simply don't put in any effort to make yourself credible. I don't think I've ever seen you make a post that made me think "hmm, even though I don't agree with his opinion, he's got a good point there", and if you keep this up, I don't think you ever will.
UPRC actually agreed with me. From what he told me, he had brought something up in the mod forum, but he didn't think there was anything he could do since Steel was so well liked around the forums. Everyone that heralded that Steel sig may or may not have agreed with me, but I'm certain at least one person did.DS I pretty much covered any rebuttle I would have had to your post already.Now, to stay on the topic at hand, I don't think anyone has trouble telling my posts from the others seeing as mine are the only ones that make no fucking sense.
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All this talk of individuality just reminds me of how sheeplike the human race can be. I suppose it translates to all walks of life, even the internet.I've never really been one to follow trends, no matter how many people might be on board the bandwagon, but sometimes I think that letting them run their course might be more effective than trying to stifle them. This is an untested theory, of course, so please don't quote me on that.By the by, though, I don't think this topic really relates to me at all, seeing as I generally blank the posts that I feel are not worth reading and just skip to the next (admittedly sometimes I have to jump entire forum pages to find a worthwhile post, but it really doesn't bother me at all since I don't ever see the situation improving majorly and I just like to get on with things).
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Rowain said that "Quoting + This" is little more than post count +1. How do Hundley's posts differ from that? Often times his posts have absolutely nothing to do with the topic, one example being the "office depot ate my baby" mentioned earlier. This may not focus on the topic at hand, but just imagine if everyone posted this nonsense. Like Azure said, if some member sees Hundley doing it and sees that it is alright, what is to stop him from doing it as well?
...Because those are FUNNY. And QUOTING + THIS doesn't contribute to ANYTHING the topic, humor, THE INTERNET AND LIFE IN GENERAL. Aside from that, that was NEVER the point of this topic. If you want to be RELEVANT try to you know, MAKE AN EFFORT. People have brought Hundley up before, and if GW's going to be some kind of shitty place where a guy who makes pretty fucking good posts (http://72.232.26.242/~admin/forums/showpost.php?p=583244&postcount=30) about half the time will get warned for an occasional "I HAVE RUBBER BABIES" post...Yeah, needless to say, you're kind of a faggot if you'd rather have that.Then again, you've made it very clear you don't have a good grasp of SUBTLETY AND COMPARISON (http://72.232.26.242/~admin/forums/showpost.php?p=459825&postcount=16) UPRC actually agreed with me. From what he told me, he had brought something up in the mod forum, but he didn't think there was anything he could do since Steel was so well liked around the forums. Everyone that heralded that Steel sig may or may not have agreed with me, but I'm certain at least one person did. DS I pretty much covered any rebuttle I would have had to your post already. Now, to stay on the topic at hand, I don't think anyone has trouble telling my posts from the others seeing as mine are the only ones that make no fucking sense.
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA.Holy shit.First off, you are aware the reason EVERYONE had that sig was because I told most of them to use it? Even Creeper took it out of his sig when he saw what a complete joke it had been turned into. 4 OUT OF 5 MODS wasn't even remotely close to accurate; like, not only was it probably closer to FOUR OUT OF THE ENTIRE MOD, STAFF, AND ADMIN COMMUNITY, but most of the people who supported it have all LEFT. And as much as you'd like to blame that on me (we all know how good you are at passing the buck "MY PASS IS FUCKING COUNTERFEIT"), they mostly quit or left because they were either not doing good jobs or because they were too busy. So basically, the four mods who supported it (ps, no one actually KNOWS who these four mods are; from your post, I'm going to guess UPRC was one, and I think Legacy is another one) are either bad at being connected to the community or grossly inept.Like, how can you so grossly misinterpret something? It's even in the GW dictionary, Creeper's prank completely backfired when about twenty other people signed up and used the sig because I made a topic advocating it and spread it to everyone I could find. I think MEKESSS is the only one who used it in actual ANGER and if you want fired ex-mod obese pedophile on your side, go ahead!Oh, and UPRC didn't bring anything up; I MADE HIM BRING IT UP. He kept bringing it OUTSIDE the mod forum, because, you know, that is a PROFESSIONAL way to deal with things apparently. Regardless, I brought it up, not him. And it ended up being a gross misinterpretation that started the whole debacle.It strikes me that a lot of people have no personality anyway so you wouldn't be able to tell their posts from someone elses whether they wrote ten paragraphs or ten words. It seems irrelevant.To me it seems the drive behind this is not about INDIVIDUALITY at all but just to avoid a forum filled with:"what do you think of this?""gay imo""lol""great topic fucktard""stop fucking flaming FFS""hahahaha"etc.Which is fine by me, but don't pretend your trying to foster individuality.
True as this may be, I know some of the people who post like that and know for a fact they DO have a personality beyond "hahahahha" and "wat".Like, this is the case with all large forums; there will be people that you won't really notice. But those people don't POST with frequency. I can rattle off ten names that do the shit above that post regularly, but I can't tell you a damn thing about them from this weird trendy one-liner shit.
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Rowain said that "Quoting + This" is little more than post count +1. How do Hundley's posts differ from that? Often times his posts have absolutely nothing to do with the topic one example being the "office depot ate my baby" mentioned earlier. This may not focus on the topic at hand, but just imagine if everyone posted this nonsense. Like Azure said, if some member sees Hundley doing it and sees that it is alright, what is to stop him from doing it as well?
So how do Hundley's posts differ from the bunch? Well, let's first answer whether any random member would try to imitate him if he saw Hundley do that. I think this is irrelevant; members tend to post the things THEY WANT to post. Nobody will actively scout a topic for minor replies and think "wow, I'm gonna do just that!"If they make bad or too short posts, they would have done so anyway. Secondly, what makes you think that Hundley's replies are the typical useless garb that nobody likes? His comments are usually so profoundly confusing that nobody even bothers to touch it at all; because they're so DIFFERENT from the typical junk. And finally, can't you agree with the fact that if Hundley does get serious, he has no problem at all with formulating sensible posts? He might not always post essays, but he has the ability to and continues to frequently do it.UPRC actually agreed with me. From what he told me he had brought something up in the mod forum, but he didn't think there was anything he could do since Steel was so well liked around the forums.
Oh, right. I remember that. UPRC agreed with your cause because he felt that Steel was "too much of a Panda fan". (WE SURE LIKE TO OPEN UP OLD WOUNDS, DON'T WE?)PS: I see that this topic has turned into a genuinely tasteful discussion, complete with personal insults! I love it! We should really have more of these. Who's starting the next "God thinks gay people are evil" topic?
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I'd like to think that some of my real personality comes across in my posts, though I never think about it consciously.I do, however, remember the days I posted inane rubbish, and besides the lack of capitalisation and appalling spelling, I realised that it was a one way ticket to being just another member of a large community, and since I didn't want to get lost in the mire I consciously changed my ways until it became second nature.I don't see how we can 'force' members to inject a little more of themselves into their posts, but I think anyone who does do this should be encouraged and applauded (as long as it doesn't go against any code of conduct we have around this place).
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You could at least dress it up a little. Leaving it at "This" is just laziness. Even "Yeah I agree. And what really gets me is ______" would do.
Disagreed. That's just not a neccessary contribution.
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First off you are aware the reason EVERYONE had that sig was because I told most of them to use it?
That's not true, I had it on before you, then rowain told me to take it off so it didn't start a trend, so I did. And then after EVERYONE STARTED DOING IT ANYWAY I put it back on.::edit:: sorry for the off topic.
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...if this is to me first of all, why did you not bring this up in the topic in the mod forum, when, you know, WE WERE ALL DISCUSSING IT.
i did not know that is exactly what you were talking about!but to the rest of what you said : ok go og ogo gogogoggo go gogg go i will just go along with it
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Disagreed. That's just not a neccessary contribution.
what?yes it is.EXAMPLEI am making a poll SHADOW OF THE COLOSSUS GOOD GAME Y/N.You are posting. Hey what's this, VB posted before you and said "I liked it, a solid game over all". LET'S QUOTE HIM.But uh. Are you sure you guys have the EXACT SAME OPINION on the subject?Occasionally, someone will write like, an ESSAY that you might agree entirely on, but even then, there are things you can disagree or build upon. Like, a lot of people say Shadow of the Colossus has a great atmosphere. I personally thought it was kind of SHITTILY DONE in that regard sometimes, particularly at the end.So, I could do this.I'm a big fan of Colossus, a general step forward for gaming as a whole
this
OR!I'm a big fan of Colossus, a general step forward for gaming as a whole
While I do agree with Colossus being one of the better efforts put forth recently, some of the minor shit just seemed to bother me like FUFUFUFU
Get it? It doesn't have to even be a disagreeing statement either.I'm a big fan of Colossus, a general step forward for gaming as a whole
I agree wholeheartedly; I particularly liked how the main character, while saying almost nothing, still managed to FUFUFUFU
Also the whole "This" debate isn't really the point of the topic so asdoaina.I don't see how we can 'force' members to inject a little more of themselves into their posts, but I think anyone who does do this should be encouraged and applauded (as long as it doesn't go against any code of conduct we have around this place)
Thing is, it just HAPPENS. I can't make people NOT BE ASSHOLES or BORING or whatever, but that comes through in the post anyways. Case and point, Jester and myself. because no one calls them on it. i don't see a point, half the mods are like NO IT'S FUNNY so i just leave it. merry xmas all (except drule)
sorry, you're about as a big a faggot if you think UNFUNNY DOUBLE POSTED GARBAGE is targ. or that leafo is even part of the "TARG KREW". so uh. everyone shut up. I find it amazing how you can manage to shit up a MERRY CHRISTMAS thread, but good job!
Similar points, and even similar posting style that time, and yet you can clearly tell who is who! It just NATURALLY HAPPENS.However this BORING posting of "oh shit" and "i am witty" is not just BLAND but kind of spammy too!That's not true, I had it on before you, then rowain told me to take it off so it didn't start a trend, so I did. And then after EVERYONE STARTED DOING IT ANYWAY I put it back on.
Yeah, that's right. Forgot about that!
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Should the ppl who only post one word be warned or something later on? :S
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Should the ppl who only post one word be warned or something later on? :S
We don't want to be too strict about it. If someone starts to be annoying because of it and we feel like he's doing it for post count only, we'll start warning.And Wackfiend, the fact that you don't (or didn't) understand what this topic is about doesn't mean that it has anything to do with what you are talking about because it doesn't. You are just making an ass out of yourself by accusing Steel or any other moderator for their attitude. And for your information, it was not only UPRC arguing against Steel when that thing happened, I was as well. However, it was only before we knew that it was all confusion, we had misunderstood Steel and what he had done. So in other words, you don't even have any clue what you are talking about. Now, if you don't have anything good to say and all you want to do is TALK SHIT, please stop posting in this topic.and by the way, i don't know why you were bolding "at hand" but "on hand" is correct as well.
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Also, yeah, just a small note; why do people think we DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING? I'm just asking, but the GW mod community is more aware than you think about community problems and mod situations. Turkpimp once made like 25 topics to prove a point on an issue that none of you even know existed! We are more than capable of, you know, REALIZING WHEN SHIT HAS GONE WRONG. Being a mod is not just checking if people break the rules, we're kind of in tune with the community and a lot of people in it.So stop assuming "ARGH GW WHY HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED [insert ][/insert] IS DOING THIS SHIT" because trust me, we know, and we're dealing with it better than any single one of us could because..............gw modteam.....................is family....................
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i am such a spaz
you are such a spaz.
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Poor noobs who just joined will probably have such a hard time figuring out what's "acceptable" now. They just have so many rules piled upon them with no guidance in such a big big gaming world.I know when I first joined for the sole purpose of "adding my opinions," I got stepped on. How is a new person supposed "show her personality" when nobody even knew who she was at that point? Also, in order for me not to be "stepped on" or "get noticed" was to try and post amusing one-liners, as it was popular.Honestly, I think this whole movement against "bad posting habits" is targeting the wrong things. Trends and popularity happens, but now you mods are trying to stop what you in part help started? Do you see this stuff in our society today? (society as in the real world, not gw) If so, do you agree with what they're doing? It's like trying to stop people from buying ipods. It's kinda too late. And it'll only alienate the users.What you really should be targeting are flamers. People who make harmless one-liners aren't hurting anyone. So what if the post count is higher? Does post count earn you money or something? No. I think the people who make one-liners for the sole intent of spamming up a decent topic or cruel flaming should be targeted. By that I mean people who, for example, give people crap for starting a harmless, serious thread. Those posts hurt people, not one-liners that say "I agree" and didn't show the poster's beautiful personality.
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long message about fitting in
For one, no one is saying NO MORE FUNNY POSTS. It is just when every "funny post" is exactly the same. (IE: gwhat)I don't think anyone is going to ban you for occasionally making a funny post as long as it is relavent to the topic.The thing that they're concerned about ("this" "I agree") is that it contributes nothing and can be classified as spam, and people have to wade through that.
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Thing is it just HAPPENS. I can't make people NOT BE ASSHOLES or BORING or whatever, but that comes through in the post anyways. Case and point, Jester and myself.because no one calls them on it. i don't see a point, half the mods are like NO IT'S FUNNY so i just leave it. merry xmas all (except drule)
sorry, you're about as a big a faggot if you think UNFUNNY DOUBLE POSTED GARBAGE is targ. or that leafo is even part of the "TARG KREW". so uh. everyone shut up. I find it amazing how you can manage to shit up a MERRY CHRISTMAS thread, but good job!
Similar points, and even similar posting style that time, and yet you can clearly tell who is who! It just NATURALLY HAPPENS.
i can't :(but seriously no sometimes you DO 100% agree with someone and do not wish to add anythingi browse gw a lot while doing other things, and i do not have time to add an essay onto every post (or 2 lines)if someone has said EXACTLY what i wish to say, i'll just quote it and maybe add a few words "yeah, this is pretty much how i feel" or somethingis that better than "this"? if so hooray i will just do that and this topic is closed to me, if not then no more debating a'goin on :(note: as before, i am PURELY talking about this happening in the poll forum. in the vg forum and shit yeah people always have slightly differing viewpointsedit42: ohmigoddess, you aren't allowed to dispute this rule that much, sorry. this is happening, if you do not agree with it you are more than welcome to leave!
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you are such a spaz.
"ARGH GW WHY HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED HUNDLEY IS DOING THIS SHIT"gw modteam.....................is family....................
okay gw mafia family attack! or something
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"ARGH GW WHY HAVE YOU NOT NOTICED HUNDLEY IS DOING THIS SHIT"okay gw mafia family attack! or something
You actually made a post that's useless in a topic about a new rule outlawing useless posts. Why?
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fuck dude. I'm honestly pissed off at stuff like this. I'm trying to stop posting crappy stuff like that, but its an addiction. Though if i'm a run of the mill addict, Hundley there is a fucking coke whore.btw, that post was more mocking than anything else
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A problem though, is that sometimes there are double standards where a member will post something annoying and become flamed to hell because of it, but if a more well-known (and liked or at least highly regarded) member posts something of similar caliber, it is called "witty", "funny", "clever", etc.. I don't care about this personality shit, an annoying post is an annoying post. However, I must say that if a new member sees other members post "witty" material, the member might mimic this posting behaviour and fail at it since they don't even know what made it funny in the first place.I don't hate funny posts or anything, but seeing someone post things in the same style all the time... it gets old. It's like a comedian retelling the same joke, which may also catch on and then you have people thinking they're funny by doing the same thing. I also see a fair amount of unnesessary of flaming. Insulting users because of their opinion or point of view on a subject. That is just unkind and makes the user feel unwelcome.
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For one no one is saying NO MORE FUNNY POSTS. It is just when every "funny post" is exactly the same. (IE: gwhat)I don't think anyone is going to ban you for occasionally making a funny post as long as it is relavent to the topic.The thing that they're concerned about ("this" "I agree") is that it contributes nothing and can be classified as spam, and people have to wade through that.
Thanks for repeating everything everyone else said. And I don't think you understood my message, so please don't make a quote of something I didn't really say. That's called slander, what GW is full of these days. My point was that newcomers really don't have a chance to start getting used to the rules before they are banned or made fun of or scolded by a mod. Hey if you want that to be the determinance of who stays then so be it. I guess GW is just not a friendly type of community then. w/e.edit42: ohmigoddess you aren't allowed to dispute this rule that much, sorry. this is happening, if you do not agree with it you are more than welcome to leave!
I'm not saying I want the rules changed. I'm saying your rule is dumb. I have the right to express myself do I not? And thanks for inviting me to leave. Another kind gesture expressed by a GW mod. Very polite. I like it.
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fuck dude. I'm honestly pissed off at stuff like this. I'm trying to stop posting crappy stuff like that but its an addiction. Though if i'm a run of the mill addict, Hundley there is a fucking coke whore.
you're HONESTLY PISSED OFF about this? HONESTLY PISSED OFF. faceless faggots like you make me not want to use the internet. seriously, no sense of humor or SELF at all. you worthless piece of shit.
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Man, this is getting ridiculous. Half of you don't get the actual problem here. And the other half want to focus on FLAMING IS THE REAL ISSUE, which is pretty stupid in my opinion. GW is not BABY'S FIRST FORUM, okay. Learn to deal with an occasional person saying "MAN YOU ARE STUPID" and you'll be better off in life.Now quit arguing about what you think the REAL MORAL ISSUES are, because no one wants to hear it.
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EDIT: damn it trystero.EDIT2: I'll just post this anyway, but reworded:its not Hundley personally, well, actually it is, but I'm just using him primarily as an example since he's so prominent in this case. What I'm actually against is what hobo said:
A problem though is that sometimes there are double standards where a member will post something annoying and become flamed to hell because of it, but if a more well-known (and liked or at least highly regarded) member posts something of similar caliber, it is called "witty", "funny", "clever", etc.. I don't care about this personality shit, an annoying post is an annoying post.
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Geez, just lock this darn topic then if you don't want to hear people disagreeing with you. Stop opening it up for discussion and just pass the fucking rule like the dictator you want to be.
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Geez just lock this darn topic then if you don't want to hear people disagreeing with you. Stop opening it up for discussion and just pass the fucking rule like the dictator you want to be.
What are you, thick in the head? We don't give a shit if you disagree with us. Voice your complaints and disagreements, please. It's why it was changed from an announcement to a topic to begin with. But, as people have said time and time again, you idiots are completely missing what we're trying to say with this topic, and focusing on bullshit like I AGREE HUNDLEY SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO POST LIKE THIS or WE DONT WANT GW TO BECOME LIKE NAZI GERMANY IT'S JUST THE INTERNET OK??? or FLAMERS SHOULD NOT BE TOLERATED So here, let me try to paraphrase our general issue and why this topic was created in the first place so you can stop accusing mods of being dictators simply because they're annoyed with dense people like you coming into the topic, completely missing the fucking point, and arguing about shit that is, honestly completely irrelevant to what they're trying to talk about here.As several people have said multiple times in this topic, it's the growing facelessness and lack of identity among most every active member that they're trying to prevent. People like leafo, Corel, BJB, et al are all just merging into one shapeless blob of a person. Maybe this isn't a problem for you, because apparently you think living in a society or visiting a community where everyone is trying to be the exact fucking same is pretty ACCEPTABLE, but for some people who were glad to leave that shit behind in the 8th grade, it's something they'd rather not have GW become, especially when even a year or so ago, active members were noticeably more individualistic.So what's wrong with it? How about it makes the forums look like absolute shit. It's not hurting anyone? Go into that Christmas topic and tell me topics like THOSE popping up everywhere aren't hurting the community in general. You have run of the mill, completely normal topics that should generate fairly intelligent replies (note, this doesn't mean they have to be SERIOUS. you can make a short post, or a joke post, and still have it be clever or intelligent or witty or just FUNNY. The problem is when tons of unfunny douches start making joke posts that have no content to them. Completely unfunny. Spam.) are now flooded with inane "jokes" and unnecessary double posts by people flooding to become GW's next funnyguy by imitating what I'm guessing they think is the hot thing to do. You've got a ton of people thinking they can DOUBLEPOST THEIR WAY TO SUCCESS by acting like people they clearly aren't, but they can't. Their posts lack the humor and style that made those same type of posts okay and entertaining when other people do it, because that's not who they are. You guys need to uh, FIND YOUR OWN THING I guess I would say.But yeah, this could be blamed on key members in the community, although I'd use the word ATTRIBUTED before I'd say blame. But honestly, I don't think anyone would've thought that random people would come along and start trying to post like other people in an effort to get in close with the COOL INTERNET GANG. It's a ridiculous notion.So yeah, disagree if you want, that's not the problem. The problem is you people are getting sidetracked hardcore and apparently missing what we're trying to tell you, which means that when we say "STOP IT," you won't understand what we're telling you to stop. But GW used to have a strong identity of its own. It was better than other random generic Internet communities, and most of its members were beyond adopting that fucking terrible Internet subculture as their own. It used to be filled with people who were clearly very different people. It had a pretty VARIED POPULACE I would say. And now what is it? A bunch of people trying desperately to get in with the IN CROWD. As Rowain said earlier, I think, it's turning into the WoW forums, and that's fucking intolerable. Think what you want, but FLAMING isn't our problem.
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I know Rowain has already locked this but I just want to clear something to omigoddess.
Poor noobs who just joined will probably have such a hard time figuring out what's "acceptable" now. They just have so many rules piled upon them with no guidance in such a big big gaming world.
You don't have to worry about this rule affecting new members. The problem is that it's becoming a fad among the members who have been here for some time now. It's something they do because others do it too. It's not something a new member does. And as long as members will follow our guideline, new members shouldn't pick up this habit at all. And that will improve things around here.I know when I first joined for the sole purpose of "adding my opinions," I got stepped on. How is a new person supposed "show her personality" when nobody even knew who she was at that point? Also, in order for me not to be "stepped on" or "get noticed" was to try and post amusing one-liners, as it was popular.
I don't know if you got stepped on or not but if that really happened, let's hope that we can stop that and stop making people follow some silly fad just to be popular or accepted. Let's all work so we can make things better instead of complaining how we shouldn't try to make things better. Sounds good to you?Honestly, I think this whole movement against "bad posting habits" is targeting the wrong things. Trends and popularity happens, but now you mods are trying to stop what you in part help started? Do you see this stuff in our society today? (society as in the real world, not gw) If so, do you agree with what they're doing? It's like trying to stop people from buying ipods. It's kinda too late. And it'll only alienate the users.
If littering or criminality increases in society, will you try to decrease it? We are well aware that moderators have also been doing this, and we have told them to stop as well. This is not something forwarded only to normal members but to everyone. Let's not forget that we are all humans and humans make mistakes.What you really should be targeting are flamers. People who make harmless one-liners aren't hurting anyone. So what if the post count is higher? Does post count earn you money or something? No. I think the people who make one-liners for the sole intent of spamming up a decent topic or cruel flaming should be targeted. By that I mean people who, for example, give people crap for starting a harmless, serious thread. Those posts hurt people, not one-liners that say "I agree" and didn't show the poster's beautiful personality.
Flamers get warned for breaking rules. Unless you know what's happening in the moderator forum, what all the moderators are doing and who all are getting warned, I'd like to ask you to be quiet about things you don't know about. That sounds pretty reasonable to me.I hope that helped you.