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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: jamie on May 09, 2008, 01:11:13 pm
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hi everyone it's me jamicus and today i want to talk about being a vegetarian. i've decided to turn vegetarian, and since i've decided not to eat meats anymore my vegecabulary will obviously have to adjust to reflect this new facet of my personality, so i hope i don't accidentally alienate some of the meat-eating neanderthals. everyone is welcome! let's continue:
Anecdote:
as little as three days ago i was vege-ignorant (this is vege-slang), but two days ago i was at a BBQ and one of my friend's had brought something called "vegetarian sausage". i was utterly flabberghasted, i had no idea such a thing existed so in my curiousity and surprised i asked if i could try one. to my surprise i would easily give it a 8/10, whereas i was earlier giving the regular sausages only 5 or 6 out of ten.
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so it became a moral choice, now that the issue of "i like meat though" was out of the way. was i going to stand up and save the world one vege-sausage at a time? or would i acquiesce to a continued life of implicit slaughter? obviously you all know what choice i made. and that is my vege-tale. if any of you wish to share your vege-tales with me and the community at large, feel invited to do so.
but i also have some vege-questions!
vq#1: is vegetarian food generally more expensive to buy? i realise it can be more difficult to find but this doesn't bother me.
vq#2: what are some good vegetarian recipes/stuff you can buy that tastes good?
vq#3: what is the sexiest vege? i've seen a few.
ps. i have no beef (heh) with exploiting animals for their resources eg milks. i draw the line at eggs but milks is pretty necessary, thanks!
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1) Yeah vegetarian food is more expensive.
2) Anything you would usually eat except you replace the meat with quorn or vegetables or something.
3) Make sure that you supplement with vitamin B12 on a daily basis, as it is both vital and only found in meat.
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3) Make sure that you supplement with vitamin B12 on a daily basis, as it is both vital and only found in meat.
isn't it also found in dairy products? i'm still eating butter and cheese. i will get some anyway, though.
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Like Madox used to say... "For every cow you dont eat,ill eat 4" ;)
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...damn you otomon
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Like Madox used to say... "For every cow you dont eat,ill eat 4" ;)
yeah, thanks for undermining jamicus' morality
Yeah, Vitamin B12 is found in dairy products, specifically milk. You can also buy special B12-fortified vegetarian products (like certain soy and plant milks). Check the labels!
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Well make sure that you get enough basically since it is important. Ask your doctor if you are unsure I guess?
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if you go vegetarian you better vary up the diet because most people I know who quit essentially are eating shitty dokmartini food instead of curries or good shit.
I don't know if you have an SA account but: http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2583524
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Vq1: It depends. For me, no. Why? I don't spend all my money on fake meat alternatives and plus I forage for shit like dandelions (lol) which saves money. It all depends on what you buy. If you eat a lot of whole foods such as fruits and vegetables it will be cheaper but if your diet mainly consists of vegetarian alternatives it won't.
Vq2: Just google seach veggie recipes and find one you think is good.
Vq3: Me lol jk. Actually I don't know but a lot of famous people are veg.
What is exactly is your reason for going veg?
Make sure your diet is varied. Do not rely entirely on fake meat products. Eat a lot of fresh, whole foods like greens, fruits, nuts, seeds. Don't go overboard on the dairy either. Lots of vegetarians go psycho on dairy and that is one reason many of them have anemia (Iron deficiency).
Drule, answer three is not completely true. Vitamin B12 is synthesized by bacteria. The reason it's mostly found in animal products is because the animals either have the bacteria in their gut (we do too but I read somewhere it is too low to be absorbed by our body) or when cows eat grass they will eat some of the dirt with it which has the bacteria in it. There are some foods out their like Spirulina, Wheatgrass...etc that claim to have naturally occuring b12 in them but I've heard people say they are just analogues and cannot be used by the body but then I've heard people say they do actually have b12. Vegetarians don't need to supplement b12 a lot though because most veggies eat a lot of dairy which has it. I'm 99% raw and I don't take a multivitamin, I do eat nutritional yeast on occasion though just to be on the safe side. I take spirulina and wheatgrass :) Alternatively if you grow some of your own vegetables you can eat them without washing all the dirt off 100%.
Magic Negro, if my food is shitty what is not shitty food? How are greens shitty?
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any food that is good is not shitty. to be good most food, with some notable exceptions, requires some degree of cooking or blending or steaming or something that isn't a fucking dehydrated zucchini. greens rule but not when you don't add anything to them.
hmm well think i'll just wrap this carrot in a lettuce and call it a vegritto.
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lol I blend shit up.
I understand what are saying...I think my food is good you don't...matter of preference.
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i think you meant taste but w/e...
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Yeah I realized he was talking about taste.
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Can you get quorn steaks?
I'm not trolling I want to know. If so are they nice?
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i havent ever seen veggie steaks, but they do veggie fillets/cutlets and stuff. they're ok. actually, you can get some seasoned with peppercorns and shit and they are quite nice.
you can also get a quorn roast which you slice up and can have in place of turkey at xmas or whatever.
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I don't really get it. You decided to become a vegetarian, but why? You ate some vegetarian food that tasted better than the meat that was available at that time?
It seems to me that the only good reason to become a vegetarian is a strong moral objection against the biotechnological industry. Vegetarianism is not inherently healthier by nature and if you don't like meat you can just decide to not eat it without having to officially proclaim that you never will eat it again.
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I don't really get it. You decided to become a vegetarian, but why? You ate some vegetarian food that tasted better than the meat that was available at that time?
It seems to me that the only good reason to become a vegetarian is a strong moral objection against the biotechnological industry. Vegetarianism is not inherently healthier by nature and if you don't like meat you can just decide to not eat it without having to officially proclaim that you never will eat it again.
i was just trying to make the topic entertaining, i figured no-one would want to read about how eating meat feels immoral! to me, everyone already knows the arguments and they've probably already made their choice? i'd say i do have a moral objection, and mostly this is just about me doing something that'll make me feel a bit more proud of the guy i am day to day. i'm not gonna proclaim i'm vegetarian every five minutes, i'm not gonna be one of those people. the eating of the vege sausage was just something that made me curious so i went home and read about vegetarianism for a while and figured frack it why not, the arguments seem pretty sound to me and there aren't any major downsides to the diet. on the plus side i will probably eat healthier than i did before, if only because i won't be getting take-aways anymore.
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heh I've been wondering for a long time if I want to make the leap and go full vegetarian... somehow I dont think its worth it. Right now I pretty much subsist on a mediterranean style diet and home and whatever I can forage at work heh
that means I eat lots of fruit and fresh vegetables (though this is getting harder with food prices the way they are...) and as far as grains and stuff go I usually stick to like wild or brown rice, couscous and bulgar, I always make sure that my fat intake comes from olive oil and nuts. When I do eat animal products its usually eggs for breakfast, some kind of fish or red meat like... once a month if I can help it. I'm not home for dinner often anymore cause I work evenings so I tend to only eat salad and stuff after working, so avoiding red meat, poultry and pork isnt difficult really.
I just dont see any reason to cut out any dairy from my diet or completely get rid of meat all together.
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actually this guy sums up the reasons better than i could:
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Cool, I thought at first you went vegetarian just because you thought the veggie sausages taste better. My sis is "vegetarian" because she hates the taste of meat but eats fake meat products which taste pretty much the same. She also eats gelatin (not vegetarian) and things like chicken stock and hostess cupcakes (they have animal fat in them).
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video
fuckyou
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but i also have some vege-questions!
vq#1: is vegetarian food generally more expensive to buy? i realise it can be more difficult to find but this doesn't bother me.
vq#2: what are some good vegetarian recipes/stuff you can buy that tastes good?
vq#3: what is the sexiest vege? i've seen a few.
1. No, unless you go out, where they usually charge you the same as stuff with meat. Meat substitutes are overpriced and generally not worth it.
2. I am a huge fan of South and Southwest-Asian cuisine, personally. I have no idea where to even begin, it's all so good!
3. Asparagus. Texture is everything!
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as long as you dont feed babies soy milk, cool.
being serious here.
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as long as you dont feed babies soy milk, cool.
being serious here.
Breastmilk yo :) If you are referring to the parents that killed their babies, they knew nothing about nutrition so yeah.
Also GayGod is so retarted.
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glad to know dok keeps up with the veg youtube stars.
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Alright, I'll give you my personal account of vegetarianism.
For 17 years I lived in Chile: that country next to Agentina; enclosed by mountains on one side and the sea on the other. There I met tons of people, just like anybody else who lives his life in a single place for many many years would do. Out of all the people I met there, those who were vegetarians were no more than about 3.
Now, I find myself in England. Having lived here for about 6 months and meeting just about the average amount of people that anybody meets in his fresher's year in Uni (which is, of course, less than all the people you have met so far in your life), I find myself knowing about 15 people which are vegetarian.
Now, a little bit of common knowledge: Chile, as well as Argentina, is broadly knwon for the quality of its meat. Both countries have optimal conditions for the breeding of bovines, and therefore the final product is very good. Because of this, it is part of the culture to eat loads of meat (and very good meat).+
As a strong supporter of determinism and psychological egoism then, I think that the rate of vegetarians in countries like England and the USA is bigger because they have not tried (or are not used to) good quality meat, and therefore their percieved well-being obtained from following their moral values is higher than their percieved well-being from eating meat, thus motivating them to choose the vegetarian ways. Or in other words, they do not like meat enough to not stop eating it. The meat in your country is generally so shit that you don't give a damn not eating it anymore.
Personally, I could not live without eating meat. Even if is this shitty English meat, if I didn't eat any meat I'd feel sick. Well, I wouldn't feel sick, but I'd feel that I havn't eaten properly and that I am still hungry in a strange way. I know that eating loads of meat is not that healthy and shit, but as long as I am still young and slim, I don't care.
Anyway, I understand tho why you have stopped eating meat; and although I'd recomend you to go to Chile and eat a proper barbeque and then reconsider, I also would recomend you to eat loads of hummus and avocado, because they're fucking awesome and they're vegetarian shit.
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5% of the population in the UK is vegetarian :)
Also magical negro GayGod has a huge following I just happened to find him searching vids on youtube.
Also, lol:
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23398442-details/The%20secret%20plans%20to%20turn%20us%20all%20vegetarian/article.do?expand=true
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I think I should've answered your questions, so...
vq#1: is vegetarian food generally more expensive to buy? i realise it can be more difficult to find but this doesn't bother me.
vq#2: what are some good vegetarian recipes/stuff you can buy that tastes good?
vq#3: what is the sexiest vege? i've seen a few.
1) Yes, if it's specifically vegetarian. However, if you just... don't buy meat... it will cost less!
2) Vegetable curries are great and extremely flavoursome, I'm not even vegetarian and I eat them. Roasting nice root vegetables and mushrooms is also an excellent idea!
3) Asparagus is an aphrodisiac, so...
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yeah i think most people go without the meat substitutes but i'm not gonna do that, at least not right away. i'll want burgers and sausage every now and then, so i'll get the fake versions sometimes but they do cost a lot so i won't get them all the time.
As a strong supporter of determinism and psychological egoism then, I think that the rate of vegetarians in countries like England and the USA is bigger because they have not tried (or are not used to) good quality meat, and therefore their percieved well-being obtained from following their moral values is higher than their percieved well-being from eating meat, thus motivating them to choose the vegetarian ways. Or in other words, they do not like meat enough to not stop eating it. The meat in your country is generally so shit that you don't give a damn not eating it anymore.
this is pretty silly. i do like meat, a lot! i dunno where you heard british meat is terrible, cos i get the impression from seeing angus beef burgers in menus all over the world that scottish meat is pretty highly regarded. also i don't know if there are many people who really give a shit about how 'good' the meat is. i mean, it all tastes the same - some steaks can be more SUCCULENT or whatever, but it's not like there is a world of difference between a mcdonalds and a burger from a restaurant. mcdonalds is crappier, but it still basically the same taste.
i'm not swearing off meat cos i don't like it, i don't think anyone does it for that reason at all.
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i get the impression from seeing angus beef burgers in menus all over the world that scottish meat is pretty highly regarded
Beef, yes. Among the best you can get!
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yeah i think most people go without the meat substitutes but i'm not gonna do that, at least not right away. i'll want burgers and sausage every now and then, so i'll get the fake versions sometimes but they do cost a lot so i won't get them all the time.
this is pretty silly. i do like meat, a lot! i dunno where you heard british meat is terrible, cos i get the impression from seeing angus beef burgers in menus all over the world that scottish meat is pretty highly regarded. also i don't know if there are many people who really give a shit about how 'good' the meat is. i mean, it all tastes the same - some steaks can be more SUCCULENT or whatever, but it's not like there is a world of difference between a mcdonalds and a burger from a restaurant. mcdonalds is crappier, but it still basically the same taste.
i'm not swearing off meat cos i don't like it, i don't think anyone does it for that reason at all.
Well, the thing is that I haven't heard that british meat is terrible... I've tasted it. To be honest and fair, is not like all british meat is horrible. But good quality meat is ridiculously expensive and hard to find, that's the problem.
And you are soooooooooooooooooooooo wrong when you say that all the meat tastes the same... Succulent is just a way to cook it. But there's a hell of a difference in meat... A HELL! Of course if for you meat is burgers then you don't really know what good meat is since burgers (and specially if from Mcdonalds) are just partly made out of meat.
However the world of meat is very varied. The cow in itself already has different kinds of meats that taste different and should be cooked differently: The Sirloins, the plate, the brisket, the shanks, etc...
I mean, I agree with you that people don't give a shit about meat because.... why would they? But thenif you really tasted the different good meats and all, you'd give it a second chance.
I'm not saying that you're swearing off meat cus u don't like it... I'm saying that you're swearing it off because you don't like it enough lol....
Anyway... And btw England has one of the highest rates of people that doesn't eat red meat in the western world (in the eastern world hindus can't eat red meat).
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I never thought vegetables where expensive. you can buy a full salad that comes with the dressing, crutons (h/e you spell it) dried tamatoes, and bacos. and it's actually really good and only costs 3$ (For the family bag)
Personally I don't understand why someone would become a vegetarian besides the belief of a better diet, If it's simpothy for the animals dying so you can have a hamburger then heres a fact : Plants can also think and feel pain.
It's weird how life works like that, eat other livings things to live. Kinda of horrible when you think about it too. Our bodies will fail without eatings other living beings. Digusting.
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Plants can also think and feel pain.
um gosh, i haven't heard that before. do you have any links?
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Plants can also think and feel pain.
This is what the half-assed dualistic sentiments perpetuated by religion and JRPGs lead to! Remember kids, trust your psychiatrists.
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um gosh, i haven't heard that before. do you have any links?
http://ucce.ucdavis.edu/datastore/detailreport.cfm?usernumber=133&surveynumber=275
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yeah where does it say anything about pain?
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yeah where does it say anything about pain?
Pain is an organisms natural alarm telling the brain that there is damage being caused or has been caused in the general area. I can't say that to the plants point of view it feels like our pain because I'm not a plant but they are able to react to damage and sense enviromental changes meaning it has some sort of sense of pain.
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"Pain", in any form close to what we chordates experience, requires at least basic self-representative thought, which obviously does not occur within the rudimentary hormonal messages in plants. Our endocrine system is not contemplating the deep mysteries of life.
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Plants Can Also Think And Feel Pain.
Plants Can Also Think And Feel Pain.
Plants Can Also Think And Feel Pain.
Plants Can Also Think And Feel Pain.
Plants Can Also Think And Feel Pain.
Plants Can Also Think And Feel Pain.
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Plants don't have central nervous systems so they don't feel pain the same way humans do. So yeah, they may feel pain, but it's definetly not the same way. Also, animals feel emotions such as fear, hunger...etc and plants don't.
Some scientists say plants are smart enough to “consider their environment, speculate on the future, conquer territory and enemies and are capable of forethought,” according to Patrik Jonsson writing for the Christian Science Monitor (March 3, 2005, “New Research Opens a Window on the Minds of Plants”).
lol Christian Science.
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the CSM is not some wackjob publication and won seven pulitzer prizes and considering the shit you source I'd seriously not say anything.
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Plants don't have central nervous systems so they don't feel pain the same way humans do. So yeah, they may feel pain, but it's definetly not the same way. Also, animals feel emotions such as fear, hunger...etc and plants don't.
lol Christian Science.
as far as you know, they don't.
The earth is flat, we are the center of the solar system, those stars are actually the gods, science is actually witchcraft, As far as they use to know.
And since when is hunger an emotion?
Even spock gets hungery.
I wouldn't worry about it, our scientists are so smart trying to figure out if pluto is a moon or not jsut because of its size. which reminds me if pluto was a moon even in theory wouldnt it move out of sight from the planet it's orbiting?
Were able to see other galaxies and chart them yet were still unsure of how many planets we actually have.
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Hunger is not an emotion I am stupid.
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Alright, I'll give you my personal account of vegetarianism.
For 17 years I lived in Chile: that country next to Agentina; enclosed by mountains on one side and the sea on the other. There I met tons of people, just like anybody else who lives his life in a single place for many many years would do. Out of all the people I met there, those who were vegetarians were no more than about 3.
Now, I find myself in England. Having lived here for about 6 months and meeting just about the average amount of people that anybody meets in his fresher's year in Uni (which is, of course, less than all the people you have met so far in your life), I find myself knowing about 15 people which are vegetarian.
Now, a little bit of common knowledge: Chile, as well as Argentina, is broadly knwon for the quality of its meat. Both countries have optimal conditions for the breeding of bovines, and therefore the final product is very good. Because of this, it is part of the culture to eat loads of meat (and very good meat).+
Too be honest, i think it has to do more with "vegetarianism" being a middle class phenomenon. there arent many vegetarians in mexico, and mexico doesn't have great meat. i think you need to be comfortable to a certain degree to really care about the feelings of the cow that was slaughtered for your tacos. Besides, people "nearer" to nature generally dont give a shit about animals' feelings!
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Too be honest, i think it has to do more with "vegetarianism" being a middle class phenomenon. there arent many vegetarians in mexico, and mexico doesn't have great meat. i think you need to be comfortable to a certain degree to really care about the feelings of the cow that was slaughtered for your tacos. Besides, people "nearer" to nature generally dont give a shit about animals' feelings!
yeah i agree with this.