you aren't exactly making a negative impact on the world by dedicating yourself to music, and you are making a positive impact on your own life, which is one of the most important things imowhat about if your name is britany spears?
so yes absolutely
uhhh there probably are some moral issues in dedicating your life to entertainmentis this a joke?
uhhh there probably are some moral issues in dedicating your life to entertainmentaccording to you and your set of moral codes. These codes aren't universal
For arguments sake you could say "A trade is a service to others" whilst making music is just self fufillment.music and art in general has a huge impact on the world, though. saying that making music is just self-serving is pretty absurd considering the amount of influence music plainly exerts over people! maybe you're making it for yourself, but it can make a lot of other peoples' lives a little bit better and that's nothing to just write off imo. you can write a novel for self-fulfillment, too, but that doesn't mean it can't have a really positive impact on a lot of peoples' lives. so yeah to clarify i think this topic is a bit silly because it seems to be based on the assumption that music doesn't DO anything for anyone but the people who make it, and as such is intrinsically selfish, which honestly isn't the case at all.
I honestly have a hard time relating to people who would rather go to college to study business managment instead of being an artist
What are insurance sales persons doing for the world?
What are lawyers doing for the world?
What are plastic surgeons doing for the world?
What are business men doing for the world? (I have no idea what they do either but they have a lot of money)
What are theologists doing for the world?
Musicians are entertaining everyone and making their lifes not so boring and other things too.
I'm kinda just tryna get some discussion started here dude, so it really is just for arguments sake.
ahahaha that's stupid.
religion is pretty big champ, I'm pretty sure you get rid of the entire populace of theology (this would include priests, because I'm sure your definition of musician doesn't mean a degree) the world would devolve into chaos far worse than if every musician died, the least reason of which would be the end times prophecies in most religions promising such a departure.
if every plastic surgeon died, no, every doctor couldn't take care of the cleft lips or burn victims, that is why PLASTIC SURGEONS EXIST. and you know there are also some very unattractive people out there and whie I'm sure that's far from helping the world, it's certainly not much better than entertainment as a job consequence.
change it to lawyers or business people and we're talking the effective shutdown of every major world economic and legal system.
great serious discussion with inri cheetos.
what about deaf people?
gz actually doesn't listen to music ever and he's one of the best programmers and people on GW.
inri cheetos is a terrible troll, he isnt funny at all. like, a good troll has some sort of vague point, cheetos is just stupid
is this a joke?
Then try living without music for one year and tell me how good it was.i know you tend to post some pretty absurd things but would this seriously be a big thing for you? i think i could go a year without music and NOT NOTICE unless you take out movie soundtracks or something.
religion is pretty big champ, I'm pretty sure you get rid of the entire populace of theology (this would include priests, because I'm sure your definition of musician doesn't mean a degree) the world would devolve into chaos far worse than if every musician died,if a man can't dream what can he do
no, everyone was saying OH GOODNESS OF COURSE NOT HOW SILLY when there probably are some moral issues in what would essentially be hedonism. there's a huge difference between dedicating your life to music and playing music as a career, most lawyers wouldn't say they dedicate their lives to law, nor doctors to healthcare. and especially not garbage men to picking up garbage.are there? i guess i could see why you think there are but idk i think there are even larger moral issues with compelling someone to give up whatever would fulfill them in life so they can be another COG IN THE WORKS or whatever you would feel you should be doing instead of devoting your life to music. i would say guilt tripping people into fulfilling their obligations to society is at the very least, equally questionable. and again, most people wouldn't be leaving music behind to be a doctor or a teacher or someone that legitimately helps people. most would just have nominal jobs with nominal effects on things that in the greater scheme of civilization are also probably pretty nominal themselves! i don't understand what's so much more acceptable about going to work in the customer service department of some nbc subsidiary, honestly!
is it morally ok to live a life dedicated to music?you know, if this is a concern of yours you should just make sure you always remember to not lose sight of what your music does for other people. you know, expressing yourself, making music that makes people feel. i don't know if i speak for most people but i use music to help me think and feel. it adds much needed flavor to life and provokes things in my mind that i find pretty valuable. i'd like to think there are a lot of people who feel this way.
This question has given me pause at times. What am I really doing for the world by focusing my life entirely around music? There is all sorts of horrible shit going on and all I can do is sit around and write songs and play guitars and etcetcetcetcetc. I'm aware that this is a can of worms kind of question yeah because it hinges on what is moral etc blah blah blah, but here it is.
are there? i guess i could see why you think there are but idk i think there are even larger moral issues with compelling someone to give up whatever would fulfill them in life so they can be another COG IN THE WORKS or whatever you would feel you should be doing instead of devoting your life to music. i would say guilt tripping people into fulfilling their obligations to society is at the very least, equally questionable. and again, most people wouldn't be leaving music behind to be a doctor or a teacher or someone that legitimately helps people. most would just have nominal jobs with nominal effects on things that in the greater scheme of civilization are also probably pretty nominal themselves! i don't understand what's so much more acceptable about going to work in the customer service department of some nbc subsidiary, honestly!
i am probably argueing semantics here but when someone says they've dedicated their life to something the sole purpose of their life is tied up in that something, like WoW players. is it morally ok to dedicate your life to world of warcraft?wait are you actually arguing that being a career wow player is even slightly similar to being a career musician? maybe i am not following your thought processes here.
wait are you actually arguing that being a career wow player is even slightly similar to being a career musician? maybe i am not following your thought processes here.
i'm pretty sure you get a free pass if you tie your life up in something that genuinely affects the lives of others in a positive way
dont worry dude
no! i am saying there are similiar moral issues in living your life solely for music to living your life solely for world of war craft. i don't know what they are it just seems like there should be some!
it'd be easier if we had a more universal moral handbook
uhhh there probably are some moral issues in dedicating your life to entertainmentWhat are you, jewish?
i know you tend to post some pretty absurd things but would this seriously be a big thing for you? i think i could go a year without music and NOT NOTICE unless you take out movie soundtracks or something.speak to yourself, I can't go past a day without some dose of music
Besides, all art is just a way for us all to waste our time, and certainly their are other ways to waste times like sports and other games, discussion etc.
things that you can find elsewhere. I'd say a lot of other activities are more effective at giving you those things. If you need me to LIST EXAMPLES then I will, but I don't think it's necessary.just because you have no emotional stake in music doesn't mean nobody else does. i would go crazy if i stopped listening to music. i really dont think you see music in the same way that we do! it's not just something to pass the time.
I'd say out of most of the arts even music is the most easily disposable because of the amount of effort it takes to produce, and also because of it's incredibly temporary and abstract nature. Well certainly music can be emotionally moving, so can a play, and theater seems to communicate much more effectively to people than music because everyone understand talking and words and not everyone understands music the same way.
Besides, all art is just a way for us all to waste our time, and certainly their are other ways to waste times like sports and other games, discussion etc.
It can be hard to see life without music because you deal with it so much each day, but I guarantee you'd be fine and completely happy if music never existed. Certainly if music was BANNED you wouldn't be happy, but I'm sure you could learn to live life and enjoy it if you let yourself.
that was just an example, it doesn't even matter, but 1) plays can be translated 2) english will soon become a global language, and almost already is.
but it does not even matter I don't know why I responded.
Music doesn't need to be translated, it can be apreciated by everyone. Just like food! It's something you taste with your ears.
Besides, all art is just a way for us all to waste our time, and certainly their are other ways to waste times like sports and other games, discussion etc.you are DEADLY[/u][/size][/color] wrong.
But what about music with out vocals? Do they mean anything at all? (many with vocals and lyrics don't really mean anything either) Or in this case, what matters is not the meaning but the "feeling"?
Again it's like food because you can just eat it and apreciate the marvelous tastes and smells without knowing anything about why the ingredients are there.
Understanding is just an extra, not a requirement
Yeah I didn't mean a WASTE OF TIME, of course that's wrong, music is worthwhile just like any art. What I meant was that music and a great many of the activities humans participate in are things we do only because we have a lot of extra time during which we don't have to worry about survival or something more pressing.
I don't consider what I do every day ALL DAY a waste of time.
Also I'm talking about both making music and listening to it, because if no music was made, there'd be no music to listen to.
Edit: Inri, what Couch is saying is that the only reason you, or anyone for that matter, finds music happy, sad, good, bad, glorious, depressing, whatever, is because we culturally associate certain sounds with those feelings. There is only musical "feeling" because we are trained to respond that way. That is why it's hard to appreciate certain music from other cultures or subcultures for you and for most people.