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Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Lyric on June 01, 2008, 04:51:04 pm
 Breast implants are everywhere. They're all over TV, all over the beaches, and now all around the high schools. Younger and younger girls are getting breast implants. Do you think that this is ok and that anyone regardless of age (with parental consent) should be allowed to get breast implants, or do you believe there should be a higher age limit regardless of parental consent placed on breast implant surgery? Kind of confusing, but look at alcohol. With or without parental consent, the age limit is 21. Parents cannot override the age limit. Do you think this should be the same for breast implant surgery?

I think 21 makes for a nice cutoff.  At 21, the women should be old enough to responsibly think about the future, and at 21, their breasts are fully grown. Huge boobs have their own set of issues, and I don't think many girls realize that. I'm a C/D cup (depending on the bra), and my back starts hurting after a while, it's hard to find bras, and they're apparently distractions from the brain up north. I don't think girls too young understand what big boobs are all about. On top of the size issue comes the medical risks as well. Going into surgery is scary. Implanting materials that leak out pretty nasty stuff is no good. I don't think implants are worth the risk at all, but if someone's dead set on getting them, I'd make them 21 and up.

Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: ase on June 01, 2008, 04:58:00 pm
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please stop doing this. This topic is slightly better because it poses a few more questions as opposed to just LET'S DEBATE. but honestly if you make another 2 sentence topic, I am going to lock it. I'm not trying to be mean, and I appreciate your EAGERNESS to have debates among the community, but please don't make 3 or 4 effortless topics within a span of 5 minutes.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: tuxedo marx on June 01, 2008, 04:59:20 pm
Haha, ASE she'd already posted these topics before she saw your first post.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: jamie on June 01, 2008, 05:54:39 pm
i don't have much to say on this one because i've never really thought about it. it seems very frivolous to me! i think 18 is a reasonable age to be allowed a boob job. you're fully grown and i consider that age to be adult, so okay. if you want to make your boobs bigger, go nuts.

i don't think parental consent should be an issue because if a woman/girl needs or wants parental consent for something, she shouldn't be getting cosmetic surgery.

so yeah, 18 and up no exceptions. i don't know how much smarter you'll be at 21 than 18 (especially if you're obsessed with ya tiny boobz) , so i don't see the sense in making a woman who cries herself to sleep every night pining for bigger ones wait three more years of misery until she can look herself in the mirror.

i'm not saying i think this is good - honestly i would try and talk pretty much anyone out of it just to see if they would change their mind, but some people just aren't like that and would really let this stuff ruin their lives so 18. you're physically grown and you're an adult, it's your choice.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: headphonics on June 01, 2008, 06:05:37 pm
21 is ridiculous because having the drinking age be 21 is ridiculous and it's a completely arbitrary and insignificant age to base something on, so basing further things like breast implants on it just because there's already a stupid age limit on alcohol is ridiculous.  breast implants can be removed, i think, and it's not a horribly catastrophic decision, so i'm fine with it being 18 and up.  if the parents approve of it then i don't really think it's too big a deal if it happens when they're 16 or so, either.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: jamie on June 01, 2008, 06:11:47 pm
i think 16 is probably too young. i mean yeah it isn't the worst thing in the world because they can be removed, but you are still growing at that age and i know i done a whole bunch of stupid crap which still embarasses me when i was 16. there's every chance a 16 year old girl would get a boob job and then when she is 18 she would hate everything about it. reversible, i know, but why not just save the drama and expense and make the age 18 along with the age you are accoutable for everything else.

i do think 21 is a very arbitrary age to choose, but there are pretty good psychological and biological reasons to choose 18 over 16.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: headphonics on June 01, 2008, 06:21:12 pm
people change their minds constantly, especially throughout adolescence, which doesn't just end at 18.  if you're going to say "she could get it at 16 and hate it by 18", what's to stop you from saying "she could get it at 18 and hate it by 20" as a reason why they should have to wait until 20?  there are legitimate reasons relating to self-image why a girl would want breast implants, and while it's unfortunate that a woman would really be made to feel that way about herself over something as petty as TIT SIZE, it unarguably happens!  those types of issues are the very same ones that can snowball pretty quickly into bigger issues, so i don't think it's necessarily a good idea to let them fester for two years just because WELL SHE'S TOO YOUNG SHE MIGHT REGRET IT.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: jamie on June 01, 2008, 06:36:51 pm
the reason i said 18 is because that's the year you are legally considered an adult, and isn't it pretty stupid to put implants into breasts which are still growing? also, while an idiot is gonna be an idiot at any age, an insecure teenage girl might toughen up between 16 and 18. if it was as simple as slipping implants in and out for a couple of bucks then yeah, but these operations cost thousands and can cause scarring, or the implants even burst and cause all kinds of mess. if a teenage girl is going to go crazy if she doesn't get implants immediately, then maybe some counselling would be better than covering up the problem with something cosmetic. then there is the fact that, at my school anyway, any girl who got a boob job at 16 would've been mocked relentlessly and it would've caused more trouble than it fixed. and how would a 16 year old pay for it? i guess rich parents might, but now things are getting pretty ridiculous

although i did say there's no reason to put someone in misery if that's the only alternative to implants, so i guess i don't really have a leg to stand on. it just seems more dangerous to be letting a 16 year old make such big changes which cost so much money than an 18 year old.

maybe the 18 = adult thing is totally arbitrary it's just - i've felt like an adult since around that time, a stupid young one, but like, when i was sixteen if i was in the right frame of mind i may just have gone and got a dicks implant or whatever! cos i was stupid impressionable and wanted to be popular.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Lyric on June 01, 2008, 06:39:13 pm
It's not just about regret.  Is it medically safe to have breast implants while the breast is still forming and growing?  Are adolescent views fully developed?  Are adolescents capable of making lasting decisions?  Do adolescents truly understand societal pressure, or is high school pressure a completely different beast?
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Mama Luigi on June 01, 2008, 06:40:28 pm
let girls make their boobies bigger heh better for me :)
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Carrion Crow on June 01, 2008, 06:46:44 pm
I think this is more of a parenting issue mainly because if you are under the age of 20, unless you're a business genius you won't have enough money for a boob job unless you get it off some sort of parental benefactor.

One of my ex gfs was really self-conscious about her boobs and they weren't even as INCREDIBLY small as she made them out to be. When we started having sex she started taking oral contraceptives and they made her boobs grow bigger so she was a lot happier.

There's always the relationship partner's responsibility to not be really shallow also. Even though it seem kinda pathetic from the third person people with insecurities need to be reassured and not trampled upon by needless desires.

Quote from: Mr Epic Hero on June 01, 2008, 06:40:28 pm
let girls make their boobies bigger heh better for me :)

Aaaaaaaaand this proves my point...
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: headphonics on June 01, 2008, 06:49:35 pm
the part where their breasts are still growing is tricky, but i don't know.  i don't think it's all that rare for a girl to reach whatever size she's going to be at around 16-17.  i wouldn't use that as a basis for legislation, though!  also, if a girl is insecure at 16 because of things like that, what's going to change between 16 and 18?  unless she just suddenly matures into a VOLUPTUOUS WOMAN then the problems are still going to be present; these aren't just things that go away if you ignore them.  and then, i mean, yeah they cost a few grand but the assumption is that if you're considering getting them, you're probably not the kind of family that's hurting for money to begin with.  i think all types of implants (the ones that go in from the bottom, and then the ones that go in from the nipple) leave SOME type of scar, but it's honestly incredibly minimal and the health hazards like having them burst are exceedingly uncommon, i think!

but it's not just about WILL SHE GO CRAZY if she doesn't get them, it's about whether or not it will improve the condition of her mental health and self-image if she gets them.  even if she doesn't go insane without them, the psychological issues a lot of women get implants to combat can become serious problems not too much further down the road, and ultimately i don't think this is something that can just be solved with counseling all the time.  you're not covering up the problem with something cosmetic, because the problem STEMS from something cosmetic.  therefore, a cosmetic fix is probably as close as you'll come to a solution, i think!  ideally people wouldn't need to do this type of thing but i think it's unrealistic to expect everyone to just be like FUCK THE MEDIA IMMMM BEAUTIFUL.

like the op said, this is getting fairly common in certain circles, so even if they'd be mocked in your school, the odds of that happening in any school a person getting this done would be going to are much lower.  having parents pay for cosmetic surgery is nothing new among the upper class, so while it seems ridiculous to you, it's really not.

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Is it medically safe to have breast implants while the breast is still forming and growing?  Are adolescent views fully developed?  Are adolescents capable of making lasting decisions?  Do adolescents truly understand societal pressure, or is high school pressure a completely different beast?
The safety of having it done when you're still developing is a good point, but again, I don't think that's universal.  As far as the questions about what adolescents are capable of doing and understanding, do you really think you're much less of an adolescent at 18 or 20 than you are at 16?  You're not.  It's an arbitrary age that we just use as a marker for adulthood, but it's not as if you're suddenly an adult.  I've met very few people below the age of 25 that I'd even really call ADULTS, to be honest, so all the questions you're asking would apply to an 18 or 21 year old as well.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Bravo on June 01, 2008, 07:19:13 pm
Quote from: Lyric on June 01, 2008, 06:39:13 pm
It's not just about regret.  Is it medically safe to have breast implants while the breast is still forming and growing?  Are adolescent views fully developed?  Are adolescents capable of making lasting decisions?  Do adolescents truly understand societal pressure, or is high school pressure a completely different beast?
this is the big one i think (2nd only to still developing body) because believe it or not high school kids are dumbasses and they don't know what's best or what's right. if you're 16, not only are you still developing (pretty sure of this, at most you're on the finishing up of developing sort of deal) but you're STILL IN HIGH SCHOOL! where the morals and social norms are different. at least 9/10 people in high school are either not free thinkers (aka they try to fit in too hard and you have cliques which don't share the same views anyway) or socially awkward free thinkers who feel left out.

by 18...well, its not that much of a difference BUT! you're out of high school (or on your way out, at least in the states) and going into college where ppl are naturally more accepting and mature.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: headphonics on June 01, 2008, 07:20:40 pm
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at least 9/10 people in high school are either not free thinkers (aka they try to fit in too hard and you have cliques which don't share the same views anyway) or socially awkward free thinkers who feel left out.
yea youre right that sounds nothing like the real world
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: datamanc3r on June 01, 2008, 07:30:48 pm
Federally mandate that a certified doctor (not the boob-job surgeon) must determine when the girl will stop growing and thus make it safe for her to have the operation. It seems to me that because the age is so arbitrary, the only reason why we chose it is for health reasons -- not exactly for social reasons because the cut-off limit does not necessarily reflect whether or not that particular person is mature enough (although admittedly, if you wanted that surgery you would have to be pretty immature).
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Bravo on June 01, 2008, 07:37:24 pm
Quote from: headphonics on June 01, 2008, 07:20:40 pm
yea youre right that sounds nothing like the real world
k you win that sounds dumb now.

lets just go with hoping the girl doesn't have shit parents  and who are responsible
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Alec on June 01, 2008, 07:55:05 pm
Quote from: Lyric on June 01, 2008, 04:51:04 pm
Kind of confusing, but look at alcohol. With or without parental consent, the age limit is 21. Parents cannot override the age limit.
Just so you know, that's not true. Parents CAN give you alcohol legally.

Just FYI.

EDIT: Addressing the post below me, I was actually going to say "where I live," but I either forgot or didn't care to. It's cool though.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: dada on June 01, 2008, 08:18:21 pm
To me, this is a totally uninteresting question, so I won't bother giving an answer. Just posting to point this out:

Quote from: Alec on June 01, 2008, 07:55:05 pm
Just so you know, that's not true. Parents CAN give you alcohol legally.

Just FYI.
This depends on where you live. There are many different countries with different rules. In some of them, it's illegal for someone to give a minor alcohol. In others, it's only illegal for a minor to buy alcohol. The ages vary and there's also a distinction between beverages with a low alcohol percentage and strong liquor.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Lars on June 01, 2008, 09:58:15 pm
Quote from: Dada on June 01, 2008, 08:18:21 pm
In others, it's only illegal for a minor to buy alcohol. The ages vary and there's also a distinction between beverages with a low alcohol percentage and strong liquor.
And in some countries it's not illegal for a minor to buy alcohol either; only the seller is responsible.

also i remember a girl in hi school fake boobs as a bday present on her 18th from her parents xD
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Grunthor on June 01, 2008, 10:28:07 pm
21 is still too young if you want them to wait until they're breasts have fully stopped growing.  A typical woman's breasts don't stop growing until they are in their mid 20's.  Usually around 24 or 25.  Either way though, I hate implants, and see them as a rather silly thing to get.  But if it makes them happy and they can get them implanted safely, who am I to judge.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Bravo on June 01, 2008, 11:23:56 pm
Quote from: Grunthor on June 01, 2008, 10:28:07 pm
A typical woman's breasts don't stop growing until they are in their mid 20's.  Usually around 24 or 25. 
citation please :fogetrite:


also PS, these foget smilies are the best thing ever
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Rone Rivendale on June 02, 2008, 12:05:49 am
I don't know how to answer this really. I dislike women who get fake boobs or lips or hair etc etc etc. If you are going to such great lengths to hide your looks, what else are you going to hide or lie to me about?

Yeah, fake people suck.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: headphonics on June 02, 2008, 12:07:52 am
Quote from: Rone Rivendale on June 02, 2008, 12:05:49 am
I don't know how to answer this really. I dislike women who get fake boobs or lips or hair etc etc etc. If you are going to such great lengths to hide your looks, what else are you going to hide or lie to me about?

Yeah, fake people suck.
not even remotely close to why people do this but man ahahahaha CONGRATS i guess for assuming getting a titjob means a woman is going to lie to you about things.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: ase on June 02, 2008, 02:41:16 am
Breast implants are stupid inventions of this perfectionist image that the media presses into the skulls of young women. There's nothing innately BETTER about larger or more spherical boobs other than the human obsession with symmetry. For years, women have been looking at photoshopped images of all of these models in magazines and been falsely convinced that this is what a "beautiful" woman is supposed to look like. That isn't to say that most of us men haven't eaten up these tales and convinced ourselves that VOLUPTUOUS KNOCKERS really are better than saggy boobs (I have to admit I agree), but it really isn't anything more than a socially defined standard that didn't exist not too long ago.

I mean, women are getting labioplasties (cosmetic surgery on the labia) now, which is absolutely INSANE, considering it's a product of fucked-up males watching too much porno and telling their girlfriends that their vaginas are too ugly. I read an article saying that the popular thing in Brazil is to get TOE LIPOSUCTION because goodness gracious if you go to the beach you don't want anyone seeing all of that excessive FAT FAT FAT on your toes.

edit: I agree that there are women out there who are sure that such a procedure will help them feel and be THEMSELVES, because their previous body was not a correct indication of who they TRULY ARE (sometimes it is to understand what this means...). In their case, I can understand the need for breast implants. Women who feel as if breast implants will improve their self-esteem also have some right to get the procedure done, when the alternative is DEPRESSION or maybe LESS LIKELY TO TALK TO GUYS. So basically, I agree with the effect of breast implants, but not with the basic history and CONCEPT behind it that has driven women to want them.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Brown on June 02, 2008, 03:13:51 am
here 18 is age of consent so i believe the limit should be the same. I just dont get why some girls need to get a boob job (aside from being flat chested)
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Bravo on June 02, 2008, 04:20:19 am
Quote from: Brown on June 02, 2008, 03:13:51 am
I just dont get why some girls need to get a boob job (aside from being flat chested)
that's pretty much the reason bub!


wow holy shit I think that's the first time I've EVER used 'bub.'
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Marmot on June 02, 2008, 07:01:05 am
i used to look really low at boob jobs. however, then i realize that if you get a pair of juicy boobs probably it will be easier to get screwed by hotter guys, so meh. i suppose if you like to open your legs a lot and have inside the throbbing dicks of handsome men then go for it.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Paragon on June 02, 2008, 10:08:41 am
i think that we need some pictures

for comparison

for science
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: HL on June 02, 2008, 11:16:57 am
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labioplasties

What the shit?

Is this even real?

*wikipedias*

EDIT:

what the fuck.

dude, it looks so fucking unreal and disgusting after such an operation, who the fuck would want this.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Vellfire on June 02, 2008, 11:38:30 am
A boob job would just be one more thing standing between me and me sleeping on my stomach.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Wash Cycle on June 02, 2008, 03:12:43 pm
Quote from: handsome lamb on June 02, 2008, 11:16:57 am
dude, it looks so fucking unreal and disgusting after such an operation, who the fuck would want this.
I pretty much use the same argument against fake breasts heh
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Mince Wobley on June 02, 2008, 05:51:26 pm
Limit them for women who had mastectomies.

Those feminists keep saying that women are as smart or smarter than men but the amount of women getting them proves exactly the opposite. And the amount of men who also like implants proves that men are pretty stupid too. They say "It's their body it's their FREEDOM" well you are also free to eat a lot of marbles but the freedom to do that doesn't make marble eating a less stupid passtime. Plastic surgeons say they have "natural look and feel", but guess how you can tell a breast has been augmented? Because it doesn't look or feel natural.

Women are stupid. (and so are men so it's not sexist)

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PS: And if you think this is "trolling" then look at the following pictures and tell me, DO ANY OF THEM LOOK EVEN REMOTELY "NATURAL"? And then if you think any of them, ask yourself, "AM I BLIND?" and if the answer is YES then I forgive you, otherwise I just hope you realize the obvious truth someday


Why would they want to do that to themselves? I think it's because they're stupid.
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Marmot on June 02, 2008, 06:11:25 pm
inri your trolls are thoughtless  and you are a goddamn assphantom ughj
Title: Boob Job Age Limit
Post by: Rone Rivendale on June 02, 2008, 11:47:33 pm
You're right Inri, that's pretty gross. That's exactly why fake boobs are retarded.