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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Ax_Dude on June 03, 2008, 09:00:24 am
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OK, It should be no Secret, I'm a fan of Zombies, I'm a Fan of Resident evil.
But Fuck you capcom.
Theres a new Resident evil 5 Trailer out, It can be viewed here.
http://www.gametrailers.com/game/2036.html
Now im sorry, I thought we were getting Resident evil 5, Not resident evil 4 in Africa.
Lets see, Mad Dictator Style guy. Who is no doubt a Puppet in the whole scheme of things.
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Parasite zombies which the game will make out to be a HUGE surprise to the player Instead of Traditional and loveable regular zombies. I was happy with Screaming zombies that ran straight at you, The trailer showed they had speed. But i always thought that zombies not dying from headshots was FUCKING cheap and the big blade thing that came out was annoying.
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A Guy with a Sack Over his head and with a Chainsaw......
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An Ethnic Minority FEMALE character to show that the game is not A)Racist B)Sexist, Who no doubt is wearing a revealing costume not suited for combat at all.
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As much as i enjoyed Resident evil 4, I found that it did not feel like a resident evil at all. Hell, Change Leon's name and its pretty much unrelated to Resident evil. From the early trailers of this game it was looking good, The game felt like there could be a survival horror element still in there, It was starting to feel a fresh change. Then this trailer comes out and its resident evil 4 in Africa. I wouldn't be surprised if the beginning opens.
"The president called me, Turns out his daughter had been kidnapped while she was in Africa. After the sexual Harassment charges she took out against Leon the president thought it best to send me."
I'm not as Thrilled with this game as i once was. I will get it, And play it, And probably have a blast. But i get the feeling it's going to be not quite right, just like RE4 was.
What do you guys think of this new trailer?
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I'm hoping this game will have some relevance to the Resident Evil plotline, and it supposedly does. The Ebola (or Enola/Ebora, whatever it is) virus, from which the T-virus developed, was discovered in Africa, if my memory serves me right. I hope we'd finally get to see Spencer.
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This looks pretty shit.
And I'm a RE fan...
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Looks better than RE4 to me. That game went really lame after you got out of the village, which was such an atmospheric place. The castle was boring as hell and the island was just dull.
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I don't really mind RE4, it's a pretty good game on its own, and it's probably more appealing to a wider range of people than the traditional RE formula. Still, I'm a big fan of RE, and it's kinda sad to see them follow the new direction without looking back. I was hoping they'd do both kinds of games, the old adventure-survival-horror-with-bad-controls REs as well as the newer action-packed games. Or maybe they'd find a good balance, the new games just lack the Resident Evil feeling.
I guess it's part of game evolution. The RE5 trailer was pretty horrible, basically because it was just RE4 in different setting. One of the coolest thing about RE4 is that it tried something new, and now they'll just copy it for the next 3 or 4 games before they try something radical again. I don't want to seem like someone who's against games trying new ideas and breaking out of their fixed gameplay (let's face it, all REs before 4 were basically the same but in different settings, just like RE5 probably), but I can't deny that I preferred the older games. Button mashing and fighting tens of some random ethnicity at once gets boring fast.
I also loved Umbrella and Wesker, slow dumb zombies, and the formidable Tyrant. You had too much ammo in RE4, and you always had to clear every room, and it goes on for too long without any real rewards aside from some of the cheesiest dialogue ever (that's not even funny-bad like the previous games). Like I said, RE4 is a good game on its own, and RE5 will probably be good too, but maybe they shouldn't be called Resident Evil after all.
ps. RE5 looks pretty racist too, even if it sounds like a dumb accusation. It's not that you can't have black zombie-things, it's the way the trailer portrays them and the place they live in, even before (I presume) they turn bad. It's not comparable to Spanish or Hispanic zombies because they don't have such imagery attached to them. Throwing in a random black character doesn't help, either. In the end, you're a white guy killing angry black people.
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I'm hoping this game will have some relevance to the Resident Evil plotline, and it supposedly does. The Ebola (or Enola/Ebora, whatever it is) virus, from which the T-virus developed, was discovered in Africa, if my memory serves me right. I hope we'd finally get to see Spencer.
Yeah, the story is set in Africa because they wanted to explore the origions of the virus, the Ebola virus in other words. As for Spencer, he was most likely the guy sitting in the chopper during a cutscene in Umbrella Chronicles.
I don't think the game looks shit by any means but it DOES look like RE4 with different graphics. I had hoped to see more zombies as well since the first trailer kinda suggested it but you never know... I'm not going to call this a bad game because of some trailer - grow up.
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I love how the added a black chick and white zombies to combat the racism which (as a black man myself) I didnt think needed to be combated lol.
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This isn't even Resident Evil anymore..
I demand an abandoned city! I demand Umbrella! And most importantly... I demand slow moving, shuffling, moaning, reanimated corpses!
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Man, I don't really care for RE4 and I don't care for this one either, I just want to say that I hope to god they'll never go back to the horrible controls of RE1-RE3.
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Man, I don't really care for RE4 and I don't care for this one either, I just want to say that I hope to god they'll never go back to the horrible controls of RE1-RE3.
Those controls were shit but the games had far better settings and themes. And real zombies.
Capcom should make an RE similar to 28 Weeks Later. Everything is contained but then HOLY SHIT AN OUTBREAK! I'd love to be in the midst of an outbreak, watching hundreds of zombies devouring small crowds of people trying to flee.
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I don't know what's so terrible about this being RE4 in Africa.
I mean, RE 1 to 3 were practically the same in different settings(though i guess they were similiar settings) too! I wouldn't be surprised RE4 to 6 follows a similiar pattern, and then RE7 to 9.... ;)
This looks pretty cool. Sure it's racist but then again, I don't care. And you know they'll tie it to the ALREADY PAINFULLY RIDICULOUS story somehow. It doesn't even matter anymore because they can pull off any kind of fucking crazy stunt and BAM, it works into the story.
So seriously, I am looking forward to this.
For all the good reasons.
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christ that trailer was awful. i didn't like resident evil 4 much at all. i mean it was faster, the controls were better sure but i just didn't dig all the mystic shit and the general awfulness of the plot. i'm not a huge gameplay guy, i get bored of pretty much every game really quickly and the things that make me play on are the story, music, setting atmosphere or just a desire to see more of the game world. it's never cos the shooting is so fun or whatever, cos while that stuff can be a blast in the short term i'm not gonna complete a game for it.
i don't believe this game is intended as racist, but it is pretty hilarious how easily that trailer can be interpreted that way "there's no humanity here" - god damn. also "i'm not as big as you, but i can hold my own" "heh that's cool my last partner was a woman" - hate it. hate the whole thing, it looks awful and pretty much the same shit as resident evil four except with added controversial enemies.
you know what i think it is, i don't get much fun out of a white american male going into some distant village and shooting the fuck out of enchanted natives. there's no cheesey fun there. the older games were cool, it was zombitopia in a decayed urban setting and i can get into that because it's just total nonsense and entertaining. i liked seeing corporate logos with blood all over them, and neon signs with letters knocked out. i liked the modern environment, and i'm one of those guys who gets a thrill out of urban decay for whatever reason it is. so i'm not into this version of resident evil because for all the talk of it being new, it's just a generic action game with a setting that doesn't particularly appeal to me and a plot and characters which depress me.
i've kind of rambled, but the gist is pssh i won't be getting this.
This looks pretty cool. Sure it's racist but then again, I don't care.
i don't think you've ever finished saying anything, just like ya best buddie twobeers, before saying something which revealed you to be a complete dickhead.
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Huh...? Say what?
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i think it's just stupidity that has led capcom made the decision to have the enemy in this game be HORDES OF AFRICANS and make comments like "there's no humanity here" over pictures of an african village, but you seem to think it's intentional - "sure's it's racist" - and you don't care and think this game looks like great stuff!!!
like, i would say anyone who would buy a game they believe to been created with racist intentions because they just didn't give a shit about racism is a bit of a dickhead. i don't even get why you say these things it's like you just want to annoy people.
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What if it's somewhat racist? It's still just a god damn game. I'm not racist. It's not my fault they had to do something like this. I wouldn't have minded it if instead of africans they made you slaughter morbidly obese people with baby faces. It's a game, and I'm going to play it regardless. If the creator is racist and wants to showcase black people being slaughtered, to hell with him.
I'm not going to boycott a game I could enjoy just because whoever made it is a huge motherfucker.
....if that was the case I'd be stuck not playing alot of games because they're mostly Japanese... hmm
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What's racist about being in a country with africans? All those FPS games that takes place in Vietnam, aren't they racist as well when you run around killing hordes of asians? No one seemed to care about killing spanish people in RE4 either.
Geez, get over it. Hypocrisy at its worst.
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This is not racist, come on. I don't even think you guys would be bringing up discrimination if this game...
- Was set in Tokyo and had us killing Japanese zombies.
- Plopped us in Israel to kill Jewish zombies. Or Jewbies as I'd probably call them.
- Stuck us in India to kill zombie Indians. Or zombie elephants.
Also I bet nobody would be too concerned if RE5 starred a black man shooting up zombies in a small, white Texan town.
But oh no... There's black people! Racism!
Guys, there's no racism here, haha.. Some people are just way to sensitive or paranoid over race.
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What if it's somewhat racist? It's still just a god damn game. I'm not racist. It's not my fault they had to do something like this. I wouldn't have minded it if instead of africans they made you slaughter morbidly obese people with baby faces. It's a game, and I'm going to play it regardless. If the creator is racist and wants to showcase black people being slaughtered, to hell with him.
I'm not going to boycott a game I could enjoy just because whoever made it is a huge motherfucker.
....if that was the case I'd be stuck not playing alot of games because they're mostly Japanese... hmm
you pay for the game right? so you give the company money, and the racist ideologue who came up with the ideas in the first place gets paid for his bullshit and the game is treated as a success - this is a hypothetical ideologue, not in reference to RE5. i'm not calling you anything other than a bit of a dickhead here because all you're showing is a disregard for the kind of damage this thing can do - and it can, like for example the kid who plays this and gets it into his head that africans are all a bunch of cannibalistic zombie maniacs or the adult racist who plays this and feels his beliefs are being validated and sympathised with.
i'm not saying it's the most damage racism can do, you're right that this is "just a game", but just because it's not as bad as some other bullshit, you think it's okay to indulge in it because you like to shoot shit in videogames. if that's the case, then go ahead and have a great time.
What's racist about being in a country with africans? All those FPS games that takes place in Vietnam, aren't they racist as well when you run around killing hordes of asians? No one seemed to care about killing spanish people in RE4 either.
Geez, get over it. Hypocrisy at its worst.
i don't think the issue is that it is set in africa, it's the portrayl of the zombie hordes, you know? vietnam games are based on actual events, right? so it's got more of a leg to stand on against racist allegations than a game which creates a situation where a white american male goes around exterminating african villagers. plus people probably wouldn't even think to make the accusation against a vietnam game because the vietnam war is still a pretty well known part of modern history and everyone's mind would go there before anything else.
so it's not the setting that people are getting offended or concerned by, it's how this game is choosing to invent this situation and portray the villagers.
again i am not saying this game is an intentionally racist game, so no-one start arguing with me about that please.
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War games are based on actual events, yes, but you'll know they bastardize the enemies in them. American propaganda if you will.
But just to make everything clear:
Are you siding with people like Jack Thompson arguing that videogames give off wrong moral values?
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i don't think the issue is that it is set in africa, it's the portrayl of the zombie hordes, you know? vietnam games are based on actual events, right? so it's got more of a leg to stand on against racist allegations than a game which creates a situation where a white american male goes around exterminating african villagers. plus people probably wouldn't even think to make the accusation against a vietnam game because the vietnam war is still a pretty well known part of modern history and everyone's mind would go there before anything else.
Clearly you never played any of the Medal of Honor games where the Americans goes rambo and kicks everyones ass and potrays their enemies as mindless beasts with no morals whatsoever (e.g. vietnames, germans, middle east countries).
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Yeah it's not the game is intentionally racist (the Japanese designers probably only saw black people on TV), or that it's wrong to have a game in Africa or where you kill certain people. The trailer just gives a certain negative vibe though, some kind of bad racist images. Black people in the shadows, the remarks about humanity, violent people and all. I just doubt this game will have it balanced at all, because Resident Evil was never good at story telling, so all they do is have a black character and some white zombies, instead of trying to actually portray some humanity. This is just the trailer anyway.
RE4 is different because people don't associate the same images with spanish/hispanic people, there's nothing wrong with being a bit more culturally sensitive. That applies to the medal of honor games as well, I guess. It's not right just because other games do it.
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But just to make everything clear:
Are you siding with people like Jack Thompson arguing that videogames give off wrong moral values?
i am attacking you for being all right with racist content in games as long as the game is fun, and instead of dealing with that you're trying to make me look silly by comparing me to an insane lawyer who everyone knows is full of shit.
are you saying that the moral value of not liking racism is stupid, and only people who belong to that nutso anti-videogame group can think that racism in a video game is a bad thing? i'm not even talking about violence or sex in videogames here, i'm talking about one of the worst aspects of society being propagated by media which is generally consumed by fucking morons who will eat it up. so instead of explaining yourself or even responding to the things i said you bring up jack thompson because it's easier.
Clearly you never played any of the Medal of Honor games where the Americans goes rambo and kicks everyones ass and potrays their enemies as mindless beasts with no morals whatsoever (e.g. vietnames, germans, middle east countries).
i didn't mean to imply that i don't think these games could be racist, i was just saying how these games are probably recieved at large and why they didn't get the same reaction as RE5 has been getting. you probably have a point, but i haven't ever played any medal of honour games just cos i expect that kind of crap to be in them.
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It wasn't an argument, I was just trying to clarify your view on things. I'm not saying not being racist is stupid: I said I wasn't.
But I don't see what else I can add, really. Alot of games have totally incorrect moral values boasted in them and they turn out to be fun. Infact, MOST games have bad moral values since they're ALL ABOUT KILLING OTHER PEOPLE. And killing other people is wrong. I don't see why you're thinking this is more terrible than the rest just because it's KILLING INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE. Racism, drugs, abuse, violence. It's all you see these days. If this was a correct utopia, maybe I would care. But I don't see why I should care about the moral values of a videogame(or for this matter, movies can fit the description too, I guess books aswell).
I don't think I'll win this argument though.
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On a different note: I always found it to be racism when the first dead guy you find in the mansion turns out to a black dude. He's also the only guy who actually gets killed by a zombie despite having a gun. Everyone else is eaten by a snake, shark, dog and a spider or killed by hunters, tyrants or Chimaera's. Oh yeah, one guy is shot too.
So yeah, the black guy is the only one who they portrayed as a complete moron with a gun. RACISM!!!
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This is not racist, come on. I don't even think you guys would be bringing up discrimination if this game...
- Was set in Tokyo and had us killing Japanese zombies.
- Plopped us in Israel to kill Jewish zombies. Or Jewbies as I'd probably call them.
- Stuck us in India to kill zombie Indians. Or zombie elephants.
Also I bet nobody would be too concerned if RE5 starred a black man shooting up zombies in a small, white Texan town.
But oh no... There's black people! Racism!
Guys, there's no racism here, haha.. Some people are just way to sensitive or paranoid over race.
what are you, stupid? of course we would. that shit is awful. you don't just set up some heroic white guy here to save the ignorant violent darky in his heart of darkness village.
you can try to tier things down to WELL THEN I GUESS WE CANT SET ANY GAMES ANYWHERE HUH STEEL but really we're talking about a game with a big super white guy savior coming into an area where black people are all animals and then blowing (as far as I can tell, exclusively) their heads off and if that doesn't at least make you uncomfortable you lack all kinds of social awareness.
It wasn't an argument, I was just trying to clarify your view on things. I'm not saying not being racist is stupid: I said I wasn't.
But I don't see what else I can add, really. Alot of games have totally incorrect moral values boasted in them and they turn out to be fun. Infact, MOST games have bad moral values since they're ALL ABOUT KILLING OTHER PEOPLE. And killing other people is wrong. I don't see why you're thinking this is more terrible than the rest just because it's KILLING INNOCENT BLACK PEOPLE. Racism, drugs, abuse, violence. It's all you see these days. If this was a correct utopia, maybe I would care. But I don't see why I should care about the moral values of a videogame(or for this matter, movies can fit the description too, I guess books aswell).
I don't think I'll win this argument though.
are you kidding? there's a pretty huge difference between fake murder on a screen and implicit support of racial violence.
MY GAME: NIGGER HIV DEATH, YOU RUN AROUND WITH A SYRINGE GUN AND INJECT BLACKS WITH HIV BECAUSE I HATE BLACKS.
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ok but
its set in africa, which is pretty much ALL BLACK PEOPLE
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they're zombies which pretty much ACT LIKE ANIMALS and require their heads blown off to perish
soooooo
edit: i'm not saying its not racist or whatever, I'm just saying its PRETTY FEASIBLE. if the zombie apoc happened, some white guy in africa is probably going to be killing animalistic (because being zombieee) black people by shooting them in the head. and same for everywhere else. i don't think its racism, I think it's just the way it comes off, yet this is kinda how the genre itself is and such.
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what are you, stupid?
Steel, can you ever argue without insulting someone's intelligence? It's really not necessary, but whatever.
I'm just not sensitive towards racial issues. It's just a game and Capcom trying different is locales. Diversity.
Also this is blown out of proportion, because I saw quite a few "zombies" in the trailer who looked pretty white to my eyes. This game isn't White Man versus Black Army.
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dude they added those things after people said "jesus christ dont make a game that by all appearances looks like ethnic cleansing", original trailers were pretty much just whitey killin darky!
I don't think anyone believes this is an intentionally racist game but racially insensitive yeah I'd buy that! Japan has a history of doing that kind of shit in videogames.
also fuck you UPRC I have cancer THIS MAKES ME GW INVULNERABLE (WHO WILL WARN ME????YOU???YOU DARE???)
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Ah, I didn't even know that there was a trailer before this one. Maybe it looked like ethnic cleansing before, I don't know, but the recently added trailer I watched on YouTube (can't watch Gametrailers at work) featured quite a few pasty-faced zombies.
Zombies... These aren't even zombies anymore.. What the hell do you call these "things?"
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Am I racist for thinking the Japanese designers at Capcom are way in over their heads and couldn't possibly handle the issues in this game sensitively
also really a lot of our shit is racist James Bond is basically just white guy killing random ethnicities every movie when you think about it. Movie to movie it isn't so noticeable but like part of the appeal of each new movie is new exotic locale new people to kill and probably some random ethnic chick to sleep with
Also the new Iron Man movie was basically like hey lets kill the Al Qaedas but to be more sensitive/less racist looking we'll call them LEGION OF DOOM or whatever and hey we have a dude who speaks Hungarian (also evil white guy behind everything at end)
Also Capcom is doing that too (I think Rush Hour had this too) since Umbrella is likely behind everything so basically some white guy is evil mastermind behind it all why can't other ethnic groups be evil mastermind huh
So what I'm saying it might not even be an issue of sensitivity, all these movie people could be the most racist dudes but they can portray it in such a THIRD PERSON sort of way like I'm just making a movie about this stuff I don't have any viewpoints or anything
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he did open with NEW TRAILER dogg and people were talking about new additions clearly made to ignore the potential racism UPRC THIS WAS IMPORTANT!!!
basically yeah this is more indicative of just intrinsic insensitivity and racism in gaming as a whole (I think I brought this up briefly in IGD once) and yeah they are just throwing a few white folk in there just to avoid the claims. it's not like this is surprising considering I can think of zero games that came out of Japan that starred someone who wasn't that weird anime off white where they can ALMOOOOST be asian just enough for cosplayers.
Kojima will probably be the first person to do that shit though because he's got a hard on for the western world like you wouldn't believe.
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Why is the hero in this some jacked up american army type anyway? That doesn't make for good zombie game.
It needs to be a person who LIVES IN THE PLACE trying to survive when the shit hits the fan, just like any zombie movie. This is why 28 weeks later is worse than 28 days later.
but I guess if the protagonist was a villager he'd have to be a nigger and I wouldn't want that so
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I think whenever you play the "it could be this" game you run into an issue eventually with "MYYYY GAME IS BETTER" but honestly yeah these kinds of questions are ones you'd think someone would address.
it kind of reminds me of when webcomics tackle fucking RAPE or whatever and it's clear they're attempting something way out of their writing ability.
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By the way, I read that Capcom confirmed Co-op online play during the storymode of the game. The second player can join and quit at anytime. I guess that means that the game will have even more action than the previous game.
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yeah guys i don't really think this is that tough to understand. the new trailer is better but i think the older one was pretty ridiculous. it's not just that it's set in africa because YES THERE ARE BLACKS IN AFRICA and yes zombies act like animals, but i think you'd need to be oblivious to not see how this could be construed.
theres no reason here..........theyre animals............ *flash to darkie clubbing something in an ape-like fashion*
ahhahaha are you serious? there are these things called undertones guys maybe you should look them up. what annoys me about this kind of thing is that people who are too stupid or uneducated or oblivious to understand what these things can mean don't just admit that they might be wrong; instead they just treat whatever they don't understand as stupid and ridiculous. NO GUYS THERES NO RACISM HERE YOURE ALL DUMB (also i am a white guy and not especially racially sensitive but clearly i'm right about this!!!). it is very presumptuous and conceited and maybe you shouldn't do it.
but yeah there is a big difference between maliciously racist and just sort of DUMB and insensitive and i think this easily qualifies as the latter! having a white guy stomp into some remote african village with a shotgun filled with a bunch of animalistic black guys all trying to kill each other is pretty clearly not a good idea! and yeah i would definitely take notice if this was in israel or if it was a black guy in texas (thatd be social justice tho LOL)
also whoever said africa is all black people is dumb. do we even know what part of africa this is in? because there are way more than just black people in most parts!
aaaaanyway i actually think the game itself looks sort of fun in a gory action game way. i liked the old resident evil games for nostalgic, camp horror reasons, even with their shitty controls, but i disliked re4 quite a bit. it's funny to me how their INNOVATIVE METHOD of making a survival horror game that was actually good was just... not making it a survival horror game anymore. re4 still had weird awkward controls but there was no CHARM and it just felt to be like a homogeneous action game and i missed zombies and all that jazz so imo it was kinda gay. this is MORE OF THE SAME in that respect but idk it still looks kind of fun to me for whatever reason. maybe i just like GRIT.
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btw for the sake of argument here is the old trailer:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ILuP43jcaXw
i especially like the part where the weird looking black guy is sitting in the shadows of a doorway or some shit and all you can see are...............the whites of his eyes (also the yellow of his smile if black people ever smiled on camera heh)
but yeah it really does reek of ethnic cleansing. i got a job to do............. (objective: clobber all the darkies: 47% complete, terrain explored: 39%, crude ebony statuettes found: 4/5)
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I was actually kind of looking forward to this, since RE4 was pretty fun in a retarded 80s action movie way, but that trailer really made me cringe. I mean, I think they were just trying to get a Black Hawk Down feel to the game instead of just deliberately spreading some racist agenda thing, but all that stuff about "there's no reason here" was so clumsily handled that I actually felt embarrassed watching it. So yeah, I'm kinda rethinking my stance on this one since it looks like just a carbon-copy of RE4 with some awkward racist undertones thrown in, and if I want that stuff then I can just buy Army Of Two or whatever.
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Yeah that old trailer is pretty ridiculous. I mean they're probably not doing it on purpose, but you can bet this game is going to be all over the media when it's released.
Even though I've only played RE1 and RE4, I still like the old Resident Evil better. RE4 was a great game at the beginning, but I didn't like how it turned out half way through. It didn't feel like you were playing a Resident Evil game at all. I don't mind the change too much though, and I'll be picking this one when its out.
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Geeze I don't know if I am a sucker or what but I have loved every Resident Evil game I've played and I am really excited for this game. I think that the racist undertones are completely unintentional and only make sense if taken out of context; we all agree of course that this is not a deliberately racist or racially insensitive game.
I was most fond of RE3 because it was a really tight refining of Resident Evil mechanics and made for a perfect game to replay several times, paying attention to the finer details, but I really do think RE4 is the better game. I guess survival horror mechanics are a little dated and maybe not actually that fun or something?
I hope that this game cuts down on the ammo that you have access to so that you aren't always armed to the teeth. RE4's game mechanics would be a lot more engaging I think if you didn't have enough ammunition to fire recklessly or even kill everything that you see.
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I seriously don't think the japanese attempt to announce any racism propaganda with this game. I can't help but think that they knew there was going to be controversy.
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we all agree of course that this is not a deliberately racist or racially insensitive game.
i uh, i don't think this is true!
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I wish instead of making this a stupid action game they actually portrayed a feeling of hopelessness instead of "oh snap zombies lucky I have all these guns to kill em!". I wonder what the new silent hill will be like, probally much better.
ok but
its set in africa, which is pretty much ALL BLACK PEOPLE
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they're zombies which pretty much ACT LIKE ANIMALS and require their heads blown off to perish
soooooo
edit: i'm not saying its not racist or whatever, I'm just saying its PRETTY FEASIBLE. if the zombie apoc happened, some white guy in africa is probably going to be killing animalistic (because being zombieee) black people by shooting them in the head. and same for everywhere else. i don't think its racism, I think it's just the way it comes off, yet this is kinda how the genre itself is and such.
I completely agree with you here.
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I liked RE4, and if this shares the same gameplay I'm sure I'll like it just as much. I agree the old RE games had horrible controls, and the over the shoulder really made things intense. I just wish there were more parts in RE4 with shittons of zombies like it's Mercenary Mode. It looks like this may accomplish that.
And the zombies in RE4 ran, they just slowed down when they got close to you. I think it will be cool if they're faster, it seemed like easy mode getting head shots on something moving that slow. BTW, it's nice that you already think this is a RE4 clone based on those four TOTALLY GAME CHANGING ASPECTS of RE5.
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i uh, i don't think this is true!
ehhhh I dont know if they DELIBERATELY were insensitive. just seems like Japan as a whole has a huge bubble of cultural insensitivity (from what I've seen of their programming and stuff).
I seriously think they released that trailer and not a single person said "wait do we really want a white man's burden thing going here and maybe we should be careful releasing a game that with a few subtle changes would be propoganda for the KKK" not because they knew and were afraid (or proud) but because the question probably didn't occur.
not that incredible levels of social ignorance is much better than being like FUCK BLACKS but yeah.
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no not deliberately but i thought i he meant insensitive at all and not just DELIBERATELY INSENSITIVE which i doubt they were
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pretty much all of my opinions on this games settings and characters have been mentioned already but really this is a common practice in the mass media. it is not at the very least a little disconcerting that every game (every game) set in a country involves you playing as a minority character? i'll even bring up resident evil 4 on this because Leon was a government agent but guess what? the government of any country isn't going to send a fucking cop/secret agent into an area where he's a minority. that's like al-qaeda sending a spy into jerusalem with a full beard and white kufi and dashiki. it kind of brings unwanted attention to yourself when you're the odd man out.
really, this boils down to realism or at least the suspension of disbelief but it's clear that capcom looooves reusing old characters so instead of making you play as a local african they bring back chris redfield WHITEMAN VS. THE WORLD. watching some of these videos reminds me of Tintin in the Congo where he blows up a fucking rhino by sticking dynamite in its ass and educating gollywog black kids about the superiority of europe. i can secretly imagine that the parasite in this game is an evolved form of aids or something
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This game doesn't really sound racist to me (and I'm half black).
I mean it's a zombie game in Africa... what race of people do you think the zombie's are gonna be?
And yeah there are alot of people of other races in Africa but from my understanding this is a remote African village or something so yeah it would be mostly black (but I'm 100% sure this game will have a 2nd half that happens in a way more boring setting like a lab or something which is a good chance to change up the races alittle). And to the people who are saying that he's "massacring african villagers" I'm pretty sure that's not what the game is about at all, it's about killing AFRICAN ZOMBIES the same way RE4 was about killing SPANISH (the race of my other half btw) ZOMBIES. Do you really think that if Chris met a NORMAL AFRICAN in the village who wasn't zombified he'd just say "Damn nigger" and blow his head off? I don't think so. These things aren't human anymore, the color of their skin doesn't change that fact. You know now that I think about it I actually find it racist that so few games happen in Africa just because no one wants to run into problems like this. Africa is a prime setting for a game.
Why is the hero in this some jacked up american army type anyway? That doesn't make for good zombie game.
It needs to be a person who LIVES IN THE PLACE trying to survive when the shit hits the fan, just like any zombie movie. This is why 28 weeks later is worse than 28 days later.
Yeah I pretty much agree with you except for the sentence I took out (lol)
This is probably why I've always liked Silent Hill which usually stars normalish people more than RE which usually stars well um... S.T.A.R.S. military people.
A zombie outbreak from the perspective of an African guy (sorta like that guy in Blood Diamond) would be unique and refreshing (not to mention it probably wouldn't seem as racist to people anymore).
Actually why the hell does this game star Chris anyway? Billy from RE0 actually makes more sense because of his past there.
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This game doesn't really sound racist to me (and I'm half black).
I mean it's a zombie game in Africa... what race of people do you think the zombie's are gonna be?
And yeah there are alot of people of other races in Africa but from my understanding this is a remote African village or something so yeah it would be mostly black (but I'm 100% sure this game will have a 2nd half that happens in a way more boring setting like a lab or something which is a good chance to change up the races alittle). And to the people who are saying that he's "massacring african villagers" I'm pretty sure that's not what the game is about at all, it's about killing AFRICAN ZOMBIES the same way RE4 was about killing SPANISH (the race of my other half btw) ZOMBIES. Do you really think that if Chris met a NORMAL AFRICAN in the village who wasn't zombified he'd just say "Damn nigger" and blow his head off? I don't think so. These things aren't human anymore, the color of their skin doesn't change that fact. You know now that I think about it I actually find it racist that so few games happen in Africa just because no one wants to run into problems like this. Africa is a prime setting for a game.
that's really not the point though. I mean, let's ignore plotline issues, like a government secret agent being sent into Africa while clearly not blending in or of an entire village just full of CRAZY BLACK FOLK or any of that stuff.
the thing is, on first glance, this really LOOKED VERY BAD. I mean, you've got a white dude coming in portrayed as saving a bunch of apelike Africans who want to club him on the head. take out the little subtitles and you've got a scene that just looks deliberately like a race war.
of course that's not intentional, but that's not the point. other movies and mediums don't have this kind of problem because, well, they've reached the basic understanding that releasing a trailer of whitey killing darky is fairly discomfiting. but videogames, being made by some of the least aware people on the planet, haven't quite reached that basic level of understanding!
the game isn't racist, and the chances that it was intended to be racist or racially insensitive are almost zero, but let's face it, there's a very real context to see it in and you don't have to stretch at all to reach it! these kinds of things really shouldn't be an issue and are indicative of a larger problem in gamemaking as a whole though.
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that's really not the point though. I mean, let's ignore plotline issues, like a government secret agent being sent into Africa while clearly not blending in or of an entire village just full of CRAZY BLACK FOLK or any of that stuff.
the thing is, on first glance, this really LOOKED VERY BAD. I mean, you've got a white dude coming in portrayed as saving a bunch of apelike Africans who want to club him on the head. take out the little subtitles and you've got a scene that just looks deliberately like a race war.
of course that's not intentional, but that's not the point. other movies and mediums don't have this kind of problem because, well, they've reached the basic understanding that releasing a trailer of whitey killing darky is fairly discomfiting. but videogames, being made by some of the least aware people on the planet, haven't quite reached that basic level of understanding!
the game isn't racist, and the chances that it was intended to be racist or racially insensitive are almost zero, but let's face it, there's a very real context to see it in and you don't have to stretch at all to reach it! these kinds of things really shouldn't be an issue and are indicative of a larger problem in gamemaking as a whole though.
Haha yeah I have to agree with you. I remember once I saw this movie (I think it was an old Steven Seagal movie) where the hero was killing almost exclusively black people. Sure they were drug dealers who had turned the city into a dump but man that whole movie just felt akward and i'm pretty sure if anyone had come in the room they would have thought it was a KKK recruitment film or something (especially since it was like 99% shooting black people with the amount of story you'd expect from a Seagal film).
Anyway like I said before this game would probably go over better if it starred an African lead.
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Haha yeah I have to agree with you. I remember once I saw this movie (I think it was an old Steven Seagal movie) where the hero was killing almost exclusively black people. Sure they were drug dealers who had turned the city into a dump but man that whole movie just felt akward and i'm pretty sure if anyone had come in the room they would have thought it was a KKK recruitment film or something (especially since it was like 99% shooting black people with the amount of story you'd expect from a Seagal film).
Anyway like I said before this game would probably go over better if it starred an African lead.
Marked for Death which I admit was one of the most uncomfortable action films I've seen. Steven Seagal goes on a crusade killing every Jamaican druglord in the world by decapitating them with katanas and shit and it was just really really weird because no one bothers to hunt down the only white guy walking around outside the tourist resorts.
This is how I felt about RE4 and will end up thinking about RE5. The two Spanish cops at the beginning joked about Leon being in the heart of Spain and I wouldn't be surprised if Chris has a black guide who's like "You're investigating crime in a secluded African village? What are you, batshit insane?"
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This may be of some interest to people (If you haven't seen it) Yahtzee does a quick review of 'a RE5 trailer' back in 15 Aug 2007? wtf?
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/1-Heavenly-Sword-and-Other-Stuff
It's after he talks about the heavenly sword demo about 3 minutes in.
Anyway like I said before this game would probably go over better if it starred an African lead.
I would have really liked to have seen this happen, I wonder how Capcom would have handled though?
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I would have really liked to have seen this happen, I wonder how Capcom would have handled though?
big lips, dreadlocks
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Even the dog he shoots is black
to be honest though it looks like they made the place more multiethnic, like at 0:54 I see mexican looking guy, asian looking dude and like three guys who look pale and blonde (the one who's attacking him)
not that it helps much but it seems like they're aware it looks bad
Edit: Oh right I was watching the Japanese trailer to see if there was extra stuff or anything (or phonetic racial slurs in katakana etc.)
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its not enough i want wheelchair zombies
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its not enough i want wheelchair zombies
as long as the wheelchairs are decked out with spikes and machine guns. you can't have crippled people in video games without making them intentionally badass.
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...i would ENDORSE an action game where you played as a guy bound to a wheelchair that had spikes and guns on it...
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Yeah I was just saying it seems like they did actually try to do something about it even if it's stupid and doesn't really make up for things (but maybe they just designed more character models too and it has nothing to do with anything)
...i would ENDORSE an action game where you played as a guy bound to a wheelchair that had spikes and guns on it...
I thought that's what Killer 7 was
Also there is interview with producer I have no sound but I'm sure it'll be revealing in some way so somebody watch it
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Ha ha, guys guys! This is Capcom! They're just using the formula they did with Megaman!
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Have 2 great series with 18 or so great games... then ruining it with all of the shitty spinoffs? Not quite. RE got ruined much MUCH earlier than in Megaman.
But then again LOLZOMBIESRAWR never interested me so I never played these games.
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Have 2 great series with 18 or so great games... then ruining it with all of the shitty spinoffs? Not quite. RE got ruined much MUCH earlier than in Megaman.
But then again LOLZOMBIESRAWR never interested me so I never played these games.
as far as i'm concerned, dead rising was the best direction i've seen the "zombie games" go but that game was pretty off the wall. if a future game could capture the feeling of helplessness and overwhelming odds with more realism (because ripping out spines and sumoplexing zombies isn't exactly what i call realistic) then i think it would be a bold new move for survival horror as a genre.
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I agree with Ax_Dude it is basically Resident Evil 4 in Africa, I mean you got people infected with parasites, the guy with his face covered armed with a big chainsaw. I would still buy the game though I mean I love zombie games and stuff I think Dead Rising captured a real true zombie game. Do they have some guy like the merchant in Resident Evil 4 who sells you stuff? I am wondering do you still get item drops from the enemies you kill?
EDIT: I've played RE 2, 3 and 4 I didn't bother to play RE 1 but anyways wouldn't it be cool to have the game set in asia possibly japan or something and have an asian lead in a japanese city I was never the urban type of terrain guy either. To tell you the truth they should use the game mechanics in RE 4 and 5 and make a completely new game with it, I also don't think the game is racist I mean the damn game is set in Africa, you expect to go there and see lots of white people? stop being so close minded and saying it's racist or not intentionally racist.
EDIT2: It would be a much better game if they made Resident Evil 1 to 3 with the game mechanics they have in Resident Evil 4 and 5 while still keeping the setting and story, it could be an exclusive Xbox 360 remake :fogetcool: now wouldn't that be cool?
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Slow moving zombies with RE4 controls? That would be TOO easy. Headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot, headshot..............
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That's true but if you count the fact that in previous games you had little ammo to find, so you could shoot them and waste ammo or you could just run past them?
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I would personally find it to be more racist if they took out the black guys for the sake of being black to avoid any complaints about killing... black people.
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I'll have you agree with that rant. RE4 was a great game, but I don't know why they decided to change a formula. It was one of a kind and always a refreshing play. Instead, they made the game easier and took away the main challenges in the original REs. I used to like having to dodge some zombies because I was low on ammo and being stuck on some puzzles. I did think they would make 5 more like the originals, but yeah... those screens look they could be for RE4.
EDIT: And what was up with the story for 4? Leon has to SAVE THE PRESIDENT'S DAUGHTER. What the fuck? Is this Bad Dudes? I honestly think the story for the series is the best in games and it sucks that they're ruining something that wasn't broke in the first place.
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That's true but if you count the fact that in previous games you had little ammo to find, so you could shoot them and waste ammo or you could just run past them?
I really really think the pacing of RE4 wouldn't work with an older Resident Evil game, regardless of how much ammo you had
And I think there were more than enough Resident Evil games with the old gameplay formula to satisfy anyone, but I guess having one that's REALLY REALLY BIG presentation-wise like this game would be nice. They'll have to make a spin-off like SURVIVOR except it's not a spinoff it's the same gameplay
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But RE4 was way better than any RE before it. So RE4.2 with better graphics suits me perfectly. But as good as RE5 looks, I'd be more excited if they announced a Wii version. The controls in RE4 Wii Edition are fucking perfect.
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EDIT: I've played RE 2, 3 and 4 I didn't bother to play RE 1 but anyways wouldn't it be cool to have the game set in asia possibly japan or something and have an asian lead in a japanese city I was never the urban type of terrain guy either. To tell you the truth they should use the game mechanics in RE 4 and 5 and make a completely new game with it, I also don't think the game is racist I mean the damn game is set in Africa, you expect to go there and see lots of white people? stop being so close minded and saying it's racist or not intentionally racist.
If the next game takes place in Tokyo I expect to play a Manchurian national working a dead end job trying to pay off tuition for his education all the while getting beat up by Yakuza and Shibuya street punks (and being ignored by the police because he's a foreign national oh no!). After the beginning which introduces his smoking hot Japanese girlfriend (who looks as caucasian as humanly possible except she has a tan) all the Japanese people turn into zombies and you magically find AK's and rocket launchers to kill them all off while spouting Confucian proverbs and burning down Shinto shrines.
Yes. This game would sell millions in Japan.
/sarcasm.
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Oh yes, but setting the next game in Africa makes it a lot more interesting and fun doesn't it? I mean how exactly would he obtain weapons without buying them off a merchant? I just suggested it might be better to set it in a city which might make things more interesting in my opinion I think it would be better than in some urban terrain.
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I think what's ironic that Capcom didn't think it would be a problem because it was Africa and black people tend to live there. I do admit that having a black character would soften the blow, but just the thought that people can't handle that scenario and demand a "multi-racial" zombie crowd are not being realistic. You should visit foreign countries, they have a lot of foreigners there.
I wonder how this would have went down if it took place more in the NE of Africa like Egypt where the more middle-eastern looking people live. It's still acceptable to kill them in mass numbers virtually, right?
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I mean how exactly would he obtain weapons without buying them off a merchant?
Like in previous installments: from bathrooms, busses, random office rooms, in a room beyond a classic squasher trap room, you know places that make 100% sense. Like, damn I need bullets for this shotgun, now where could i find some... oh theres a sewer entrance there thank god now I can get some bullets. Or damn I wish I had some acid grenades for the grenade launcher I found inside the chimney... oh wait theres that bathtub in that one room I bet if I drain away the muddy water it will reveal some acid grenades.
PS. these are not actual events in the series but they could be.
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btw for the sake of argument here is the old trailer:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ILuP43jcaXw
I'm anti-racist as hell but that doesn't look racist to me. Ignoring the fact it's a bit odd Chris would be sent into a place where he's the minority, it's basically just a different setting and as said, nobody had a problem with the previous game. Is it more racist suddenly because it's Africans instead of Spaniards? Saying that it's worse is almost racist in itself. I'm willing to say Capcom are probably really daft when it comes to cultural sensitivity but I think the suggestion that there's an intentionally racist element is a bit crazy. Chris is just one of the main characters, and although a black character would make more sense it doesn't change the fact that he's an agent in a different country and when shit goes to hell he has to fight to survive.
the thing is, on first glance, this really LOOKED VERY BAD. I mean, you've got a white dude coming in portrayed as saving a bunch of apelike Africans who want to club him on the head. take out the little subtitles and you've got a scene that just looks deliberately like a race war.
This is pretty true but anyone who ignores the fact that it's a videogame about flesh-eating zombies and gets their knickers in a twist without knowing the facts is a moron anyways.
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This is pretty true but anyone who ignores the fact that it's a videogame about flesh-eating zombies and gets their knickers in a twist without knowing the facts is a moron anyways.
Yeah we as gamers understand the fact that this is a video game and know how Resident Evil works. We all know this isn't intentional, but the media is going to eat this shit up man. They complained about a sex scene in Mass Effect, when it didn't even show any nudity and the game is rated Mature. Some are going to be skeptical if they've never played a video game before or are mild gamers.
People need to be more open minded, but you know they're going to jump to conclusions here(sadly).
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poor resi5...so misunderstood
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I'm anti-racist as hell but that doesn't look racist to me. Ignoring the fact it's a bit odd Chris would be sent into a place where he's the minority, it's basically just a different setting and as said, nobody had a problem with the previous game. Is it more racist suddenly because it's Africans instead of Spaniards? Saying that it's worse is almost racist in itself. I'm willing to say Capcom are probably really daft when it comes to cultural sensitivity but I think the suggestion that there's an intentionally racist element is a bit crazy. Chris is just one of the main characters, and although a black character would make more sense it doesn't change the fact that he's an agent in a different country and when shit goes to hell he has to fight to survive.
What? First of all, do you not understand that there's a different racial dynamic between whites and blacks than there is between whites and SOUTH AMERICANS? One is absolutely worse because the reason it's bad to begin with is because it's a white guy exclusively killing a bunch of black guys. Something like that touches on a history of racial tension that goes back several hundred years, and that's why it's notable. A white guy going into a South American village and killing villagers doesn't touch on anything nearly as bad. Secondly, I don't think anyone knows where in Africa this game takes place yet, and there are a ton of areas in Africa that are composed of a lot more than just black people. Considering this is CAPCOM, I wouldn't be surprised if this shit took place in ALGERIA or EGYPT or some shit and they just threw a bunch of blacks in there because hey, Africa is Africa, right? The fact that there's a new trailer showing much more cultural diversity lends credence to the fact that, wherever this is in Africa, it's probably not an area comprised solely of blacks.
No one in the topic is saying it's intentionally racist or malicious or anything, but racism doesn't need to be intentional or malicious to exist, and for the most part we're just saying it's dumb and insensitive.
Yeah we as gamers understand the fact that this is a video game and know how Resident Evil works. We all know this isn't intentional, but the media is going to eat this shit up man. They complained about a sex scene in Mass Effect, when it didn't even show any nudity and the game is rated Mature. Some are going to be skeptical if they've never played a video game before or are mild gamers.
Ahaha, to be fair, the people who targeted the Mass Effect sex scene probably won't be too perturbed by some white guy killing a village full of blacks. RACIAL SENSITIVITY isn't really a big ticket issue for the pundits of places like Fox News, unless they're knocking it as being too PC and oversensitive.
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One is absolutely worse because the reason it's bad to begin with is because it's a white guy exclusively killing a bunch of black guys.
It would be a lot worse if one of the unlockable secret costumes was blackface.
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Like in previous installments: from bathrooms, busses, random office rooms, in a room beyond a classic squasher trap room, you know places that make 100% sense. Like, damn I need bullets for this shotgun, now where could i find some... oh theres a sewer entrance there thank god now I can get some bullets. Or damn I wish I had some acid grenades for the grenade launcher I found inside the chimney... oh wait theres that bathtub in that one room I bet if I drain away the muddy water it will reveal some acid grenades.
PS. these are not actual events in the series but they could be.
Because there aren't hundreds of civil conflicts in Africa, fueled by other foreign countries shuttling arms to which ever group they favor at the moment. I feel like heavy arms in a poor African village ruled by a militant group would be a little more understandable than some random Spanish town.
All this racist talk is somewhat annoying. The whole 'theres no humanity here' thing is sort of blown out of proportion. You take a village full of non-zombies, then have a evil group of ruling militants and I wouldn't see a whole lot of humanity either, if the militants are like real life then their probably pretty bad heartless people. I think the setting of the game is pretty interesting.
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What? First of all, do you not understand that there's a different racial dynamic between whites and blacks than there is between whites and SOUTH AMERICANS? One is absolutely worse because the reason it's bad to begin with is because it's a white guy exclusively killing a bunch of black guys. Something like that touches on a history of racial tension that goes back several hundred years, and that's why it's notable.
This is true, I probably should've thought more about that, I basically just said that because I was tired and I wasn't taking real world events into account. I'm just still not convinced I should be that bothered about a fictional scenario where the people designing it are obviously not racist, just daft as hell. Although we all seem to agree on that point so yeah!
I guess I'd be more bothered if this was being made by a bunch of American white guys since they'd definitely have a large multi-cultural element in their lives and wouldn't have an excuse to be thick when it comes to this. As it is I think the change of scenery will be interesting.
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I'm just still not convinced I should be that bothered about a fictional scenario where the people designing it are obviously not racist, just daft as hell.
This is very sad that you cannot accept this possibility. I hope you see why.
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Because there aren't hundreds of civil conflicts in Africa, fueled by other foreign countries shuttling arms to which ever group they favor at the moment. I feel like heavy arms in a poor African village ruled by a militant group would be a little more understandable than some random Spanish town.
My point was more how the RE as a series doesn't make a whole lot of sense in how you can find ammunition and guns at the most stupid places ever most of the time and the puzzles had stuff like put-diamonds-into-statues-at-the-police-station puzzles that are just completely insane in that who the fuck has built this mechanism and why? So whether you are in a military warehouse or in the sewers the amount of guns and ammo you find is the same.
Its pretty stupid to complain about it, I know, since its just a videogame. But its just so inconsistent how some of the puzzles for example were like ok I need an ID card to log into this terminal to open electric locks and then there are the stupid ass collect relics puzzles and some otherworldy magical paintings.
I've only played RE1, 2 and a bit of 3 and some ps2 ones but they all seemed to suffer from these 'problems' I dont know if the later ones are more, idk, realistic in this area.
But if I ever get my hands on a new console I'll get Silent Hill 5 and not this because I'm genuiely interested in SH5 but Resident Evil hasn't really interested me at all after the ps1 ones. Now I know SH also is pretty stupid in its puzzles and places you can get ammo and guns but the games are all so fucked up anyway it feels less out of place.
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I've only played RE1, 2 and a bit of 3 and some ps2 ones but they all seemed to suffer from these 'problems' I dont know if the later ones are more, idk, realistic in this area.
RE4 pretty much tossed "puzzles" out the window and since you were in a pretty militant village I'm not surprised that there were weapons hanging around (although why pitchfork wieldings villagers carried grenades and shotgun shells but not the guns themselves is beyond me but LOL VIDYA MECHANICS).
But yeah, RE2 was the pinnacle of retarded puzzles. I know the chief was a psycho but having a police precinct built around an esoteric chess based labryinth was ridiculous. RE3 was a lot more "realistic" in that it had environmental based puzzles (cut fuel line, fill gas tank, etc. etc.) but then Code Veronica came around and it got ridiculous again.
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RE3 was the BEST Resident Evil ever IMHO. I completed it over 4 times in the Japanese version, and then 8 times in the English version. I was the RE3 king. (though HOW i ever finished the Jap version is WAAYYYYYY beyond me now that I look back at it)
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Now im just Trying to figure out what this is
http://www1.yamasa.co.jp/gcb/
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Now im just Trying to figure out what this is
http://www1.yamasa.co.jp/gcb/
excuse me while i just pick up this ROCKET LAUNCHER THAT IS JUST LAYING AROUND
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Now im just Trying to figure out what this is
http://www1.yamasa.co.jp/gcb/
A slot machine game of sorts, based on Resident Evil. They're called pachinko, and are popular in Japan. (yeah.. I feel bad about knowing this :()
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Did anyone check the intro on that site? Seriously, why can't they bring zombies back? They are way more scarier than some crazy spanish/africans with parasites in them.
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To be honest I seriously can't wait to play this game, Resident Evil 4 is one of the best games Ive ever played. I loved the over the shoulder view and the non fixed camera(Which got seriously annoying after awhile in the old Resident Evil games IMO) and smarter enemies(Well smarter then Zombies of course) and little quick events, though annoying at times, like that knife fight *sigh* were a nice addition.
To say this game is racist is pretty stupid if you ask me, I mean I could see HOW it would look to people who don't know what it's about or why you have to kill a bunch of black people but it's based in a part of the world where most people haven't even seen a white person before. When I went to Samoa(I'm Half) and although I'm black I'm more light brownish or tan.. whatever looking then black and little kids and shit would just look at you like "WTF he looks weird!?" because they'd never even seen a White-ish looking person before so you cant expect to see many white people around those areas of the world.. see what I'm getting at?
I don't see why your complaining about the chick in this game or what she's probably gonna wear considering the chick in the Nemesis was wearing a fucken mini skirt with a singlet sorta, with like leather boots? How is that any better to kill zombies or whatever in.(Mainly directed at the OP)
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Man I thought Resident Evil 3 was the least favorite - I probably didn't get too far but it seemed kind of all over the place to me the part I did play. But maybe I'm not too far into it, but it didn't seem very compelling as far as the story and atmosphere (I remember I got to the part where you go back to the police station)
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The main thing that Resi 3 has going for it over the other 'original' style Resi's (1/Director's Cut, 2, CV, Outbreaks, Remake, 0) is the controls. In 3, they pretty much perfected the controls, stuff like the 180 turn appeared for the first time and the panic/escape moves were a very cool addition. Certainly, when they went from 3 to CV, I felt it was a step back in terms of control, as the characters seemed so much slower, and i didn't seem like the player had the same freedom of movement anymore, because the pace of the motions had all disapeared. 3 has storyline branching as well, through the live selection stuff, so there was more replayability. To be honest, I never really liked RE3 when I first played it all those years ago, but i does grow on you a lot over time.
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RE2 is my favorite of the old REs. It had the atmosphere and setting I liked best and I also preferred Leon and Claire to.. Jill and Chris.
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I don't see why your complaining about the chick in this game or what she's probably gonna wear considering the chick in the Nemesis was wearing a fucken mini skirt with a singlet sorta, with like leather boots? How is that any better to kill zombies or whatever in.(Mainly directed at the OP)
Dont worry, in its time i complained about that too, And about ADA in RE4
Resident evil 1 jill was clothed strangely but it was more what you would expect a person who was going into combat to wear. Rebecca was also wearing combatgear.
Resident evil 2 Claire had kinda a retarded costume but it was at least alittle practicle. But for someone who rides motorcycles and uses a helmet you'd figure she would cover the rest of her.
Resident evil 3 we've gone over.
Resident evil CV claire was dress more how i would expect her to be
Reisdent evil 4 Ashley Graham, schoolgirl outfit, Doing it for all the japanese businessmen, And ada wong dressed it a light silky dress that would stop pretty much nothing,
Resident evil outbreak they were all dressed how i would expect people who just got off work, or were a waitress at the bar, or a unistudent.
I'm probably over reacting and really the girl in the clip is just wearing cargopants and a tanktop which is fine given the heat. Im just dissapointed by this whole thing.
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Reisdent evil 4 Ashley Graham, schoolgirl outfit, Doing it for all the japanese businessmen, And ada wong dressed it a light silky dress that would stop pretty much nothing,
iirc Ada's outfit is inspired by the movie Nikita, as is everything about Ada actually. So I think it's just yet-another nod off to Nikita from the makers of RE
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In Resi 4, I just wished they'd appealed to me by making Ashley a mute. Dear lord she was annoying.
I'm not sure how I feel about RE5, I know I'll end up buying it, I know that gameplay wise it'll be a real blast, but deep down there's a part of me that wishes things could go back to the old settings (although no more bloody mansions, there's been too many of them already) and enemies. It seems that the only thing that connects the new games to the old is the recurring characters, rather than stylistic similarities. It's a shame, because the new gameplay style could easily lend itself to more survival horror based gaming, if they cut back the ammo and storage space and brought back some of the puzzles.
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You know it would've been perfect if they called RE4 and up something like PARASITE EVE except for the inconvenient fact that that's already another fairly well-known survival horror series
the name Biohazard is still pretty damn appropriate though (I like how the Japanese title actually makes some degree of sense while the title Resident Evil is complete Engrish when you think about it)
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I never understood the Resident Evil title and have secretly hated it since its conception just like Kingdom Hearts.
It should be THE Resident Evil and Kingdom of Hearts but fuuuuuuuuck no this shit pisses me off!
http://www1.yamasa.co.jp/gcb/
> JILL DIDN'T WEAR THAT SKANKY ASS SKIRT AND TOP IN THE FIRST GAME AAAAAARGH
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maybe you should think of it like citizen kane. title wise, anyway.
it made sense for the first game especially, cos it was the residence of zombies. and you could apply that slightly less smoothly to all the other games settings. they aren't mansions, but the zombies certainly live there.
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The Citizen Who Was Named Kane
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It should be THE Resident Evil and Kingdom of Hearts but fuuuuuuuuck no this shit pisses me off!
Whats is REALLY pissoff worthy, is the fact that there arent even ZOMBIES any more. These arent fucking zombies, they're people infected with living parasites,
parasites =/= zombies fuck you capcom
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It acts like a zombie, it moves like a zombie, it looks like one, so it is a zombie. Just a different kind of zombies.
RE4 > RE, RE2, RE3.....
Come to think of it T-Virus + Las plagas or whatever it is in this case = again new zombies - parasite zombies
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Whats is REALLY pissoff worthy, is the fact that there arent even ZOMBIES any more. These arent fucking zombies, they're people infected with living parasites,
parasites =/= zombies fuck you capcom
OMG No more Mutated fucks walking really slow and moaning at you.. why does it matter, the new enemies are basically zombies but less mutated and faster/smarter. Why are you complaining?
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even though zombies were the first iconic thing about re
it's still called resident evil
not resident zombie
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Well it was a little confusing are they basically dead people with parasites controlling them? Because you know how they would keep moving even without a HEAD and crap - if so that's pretty much zombie imo, a reanimated dead person
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ps i just found out (playing umbrella chronicles uc)
that umbrella doesn't actually exist anymore, zombie activity is probably over aswell??? how else do you want them to continue the series? more spinoffs of the first games? more remakes?
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ps i just found out (playing umbrella chronicles uc)
that umbrella doesn't actually exist anymore, zombie activity is probably over aswell??? how else do you want them to continue the series? more spinoffs of the first games? more remakes?
It would be nice if Capcom spun off this idea by making the world aware of the shit that's going on. It would be nice to play a conspiracy theorist who's been following the string of weird crap (bombing of an American city by the government, kidnapping of presidents daughter, crazy stuff in Africa) and he acquires a sample of the parasites or whatever for study only to accidentally expose it to his home town or something. We're always playing as these badass government agents (who were all cops and average Joes at one point) but playing as a guy with no combat experience could both be challenging and exciting.
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It would be nice if Capcom spun off this idea by making the world aware of the shit that's going on. It would be nice to play a conspiracy theorist who's been following the string of weird crap (bombing of an American city by the government, kidnapping of presidents daughter, crazy stuff in Africa) and he acquires a sample of the parasites or whatever for study only to accidentally expose it to his home town or something. We're always playing as these badass government agents (who were all cops and average Joes at one point) but playing as a guy with no combat experience could both be challenging and exciting.
And they could fuck up your aim too! So, like, when you wanna shoot, the crosshair wobbles all over the place! And you could be outta shape! So you could only run for about 5 seconds before you have to stop and catch your breath. And when you get a big super weapon, you wouldn't be able to use it 'cause your average Joe guy doesn't have a clue how to turn it on. Yeah, that'd be excellent.
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Yeah, actually I thought a ROOKIE like Leon was a good average joe kind of guy because I mean he is a cop but it's his first day on the job lolol also that is pretty bad luck come to think of it
And when you say some conspiracy theorist guy I think of someone like Dale from King of the Hill so he probably be the kind of guy who knows how to make a bomb out of chicken wire and give his 2 year old nephew an ak-47 for birthday so he actually would end up being pretty well-prepared for a zombie invasion lol
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And they could fuck up your aim too! So, like, when you wanna shoot, the crosshair wobbles all over the place! And you could be outta shape! So you could only run for about 5 seconds before you have to stop and catch your breath. And when you get a big super weapon, you wouldn't be able to use it 'cause your average Joe guy doesn't have a clue how to turn it on. Yeah, that'd be excellent.
Most games simulate jitter when you move and shoot so I don't see this as a problem. I'm assuming the guy isn't a total slob so sprinting would be limited but a light jog is easy for the average person. I don't know what you refer to as a "big super weapon" but rocket launchers aren't commonplace in American suburbs.
So the game would, you know, focus on tactical fighting instead of stand still + shoot (oh wait you have grenades and can suplex every enemy in sight). There's a bit more emphasis put on the survival part of survival horror when your character can't jump heights that are 3x his size and knife ogres in the back with the greatest of ease.
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Wasn't Resident Evil : Outbreak that did something similar to this. I don't think I remember any rocket lauchers down there, exept for that thing (Tyrant?) at the last scenario, a rocket laucher in an outhouse (I think). Now if AI buddies wouldn't be complete IDIOTS that would have been a very nice game.
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You're meant to play it online, iirc. Why would you have npc companions?
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You're meant to play it online, iirc. Why would you have npc companions?
Hardly anyone played the game about a month after release.
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People barely know about this PS2 online thing here, and no one is providing it, or I just don't know how to use it. Plug in internet cable?
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If you don't have a slim ps2, buy adapter, screw it in the back of the ps2(remove the little plastic panel) and plug in ethernet cable
but i doubt ps2 games have their internet servers up anymore
even mgs3:subsistence is over
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Yeah I didn't even know about the PS2 thing till I got Red Fraction 2 which I found you can play on the internet so I was like "WTF?" PS2 ON NET impossible...but then I found out it's possible but hardly anyone is on, it's all dead. I was going to play RE Outbreak online too...
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almost all the posts in this thread have been incredibly annoying.
i don't get why you guys are bitching about how this RE game looks shitty and is RUINING THE FRANCHISE when the gameplay for all of them except for RE4 was essentially a clone of the first RE and all of their plots except for RE4 have been laughably bad and laden with terrible voice acting
basically all the RE games other than RE4 weren't that great and this game looks more in the style of RE4 and that's a good thing
also I heard on some preview on TV that this RE game will be the first where you fight human soldiers as normal enemies, in the form of African army regulars with AK-47s and such, and there is a GoW/MGS4 style cover dynamic.
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LOL! THIS GAME RACIST! KILL CRAPCOM!!!!!!!!!LOLOLOL!!1
Apparently this post is the devil and I will amend it by saying this: No the game is not racist at the least. And I look forward to shooting some zombies once I get this game.
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also I heard on some preview on TV that this RE game will be the first where you fight human soldiers as normal enemies, in the form of African army regulars with AK-47s and such, and there is a GoW/MGS4 style cover dynamic.
Awesome, not only am I killing nigger zombies but I'm also a white man taking on entire African militias. This game will fucking rock! I'm going to shoot everyone of those sand monkies in the legs and scream racial slurs in my headset like "GET BACK TO MAH COTTIN FIELDZ, BYATCH"
LOL! THIS GAME RACIST! KILL CRAPCOM!!!!!!!!!LOLOLOL!!1
yeah thanks for this.
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Awesome, not only am I killing nigger zombies but I'm also a white man taking on entire African militias. This game will fucking rock! I'm going to shoot everyone of those sand monkies in the legs and scream racial slurs in my headset like "GET BACK TO MAH COTTIN FIELDZ, BYATCH"
I think this will add an interesting gameplay element.
Also I have no idea why you'd be fighting against the military units since they are also fighting the infected
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yeah thanks for this.
Huh?
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almost all the posts in this thread have been incredibly annoying.
i don't get why you guys are bitching about how this RE game looks shitty and is RUINING THE FRANCHISE when the gameplay for all of them except for RE4 was essentially a clone of the first RE and all of their plots except for RE4 have been laughably bad and laden with terrible voice acting
basically all the RE games other than RE4 weren't that great and this game looks more in the style of RE4 and that's a good thing
also I heard on some preview on TV that this RE game will be the first where you fight human soldiers as normal enemies, in the form of African army regulars with AK-47s and such, and there is a GoW/MGS4 style cover dynamic.
probably because the original games, with their lackluster controls and cliche zombie plots and bad voice acting, possessed some camp value/personality, and re4 is a homogeneous action game with awkward controls and kind of dull gameplay and it's not scary or creepy at all, but at the same time it doesn't have any of the charm that the original games had! it's like comparing SCREAM to some really shitty 80s horror movie. yes, it is technically a better movie, but it's not really any more interesting for its improvements, and in fact it's actually pretty boring. i guess if you like BLAND ACTION GAME then yes re4 is a huge step in the right direction, but before it, the series, WHILE BAD, had some level of personality that's almost completely gone at this point. it was never really creepy to begin with aside from startling you with HANDS STICKING IN THROUGH WINDOWS (i think re4 did this same kind of thing anyway), but on the whole i think it was a more worthwhile attempt at survival horror than the newer incarnations are.
also i miss individual zombies being THREATS. they throw so many goddamn zombies at you now, and your weapon upgrades are so ridiculously powerful by the end, that aside from the odd chainsaw guy there's really no danger associated with anything unless they pile up into large groups. it was more intense when it was just A HUNTER or a couple zombies across the hall and you had a weak ass pistol and not very many bullets for it and you totally knew that even 1 on 1 they could easily kill you by just jumping across the hall and decapitating you or sneaking up on you or something.
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I dunno I thought RE4 was pretty campy too
and I thought there was tension even if it was like FAKE tension but it's essentially the same to me as if you're Mario and jumping over a bunch of shit and really they're not hard jumps but you have to keep track of what you're doing so much and I mean even though RE4 is easier it's more of a matter of paying attention to what the hell is going on imo where the old resident evils were like ok I hope I don't run into an invisible collision box and get mauled by this random zombie
Edit: Ok so it's not enough like that towards the end but when you really think back there's a lot of stuff you need to pay attention to, like this guy is readying himself to throw an axe at you so I'd better shoot him and forget about everyone else, and make sure I have my shotgun or a grenade ready in case chainsaw guy comes out of nowhere etc etc.
Edit: What I'm trying to say is earlier REs might have been hard games but RE4 is CHALLENGING game as in it seems easy but really there's a lot of shit you're doing to make sure you stay alive - I said RE4 is like an rpg before, again I think it's like that because it's got this really HOLISTIC way of making sure you don't die, like in rpgs you have to make sure everyone's healed as well as judging between an effective attack vs. a costly one which even though there is ammo up the wazoo when you think of it as MP or something that's exactly what you're doing in RE4
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Headphonics - I dunno, I thought RE4 was pretty good at atmosphere and gameplay, and was a huge leap forward from the previous REs I played. It's still absolutely nothing compared to the incredibly creepy and cool looking preview video they'd originally had for RE4 where Leon was in the mansion fighting the Hooked Man and those scary dolls.
RE4 was never really meant to be SCARY I don't think, unless the designers are stupid enough to think it is...
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Headphonics - I dunno, I thought RE4 was pretty good at atmosphere and gameplay, and was a huge leap forward from the previous REs I played. It's still absolutely nothing compared to the incredibly creepy and cool looking preview video they'd originally had for RE4 where Leon was in the mansion fighting the Hooked Man and those scary dolls.
RE4 was never really meant to be SCARY I don't think, unless the designers are stupid enough to think it is...
though they thought that was too unreal for re
and they made devil may cry with that
[/old story everybody heard 12 times]
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Headphonics - I dunno, I thought RE4 was pretty good at atmosphere and gameplay, and was a huge leap forward from the previous REs I played. It's still absolutely nothing compared to the incredibly creepy and cool looking preview video they'd originally had for RE4 where Leon was in the mansion fighting the Hooked Man and those scary dolls.
RE4 was never really meant to be SCARY I don't think, unless the designers are stupid enough to think it is...
i just never really felt it was that atmospheric, and the gameplay was pretty AVERAGE i thought for a shooter, and was actually made kind of annoying by weird and awkward controls for an action game
also idk if you were around for this but i'm pretty sure it was VERY MUCH meant to be scary. there will all those ridiculous quotes from capcom, like "you'll piss your pants!!!!" that kezay et al had in their signatures at the time. it was PUMPED UP as horrifying by developers/publishers/fans/pretty much everyone and it wasn't even close to that!
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Talking about scary I still get freaked out by sudden moments in the Resident Evil games like in Resident Evil 2,3 and 4.
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The only scare games I know is SH3/4. Resident Evil was never scary. On the other hand those nurses on alternate hospital in SH3 still creep me out, esspecially when you don't see them, but you can hear the radio static.
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Disregard SH2 which was totally better. :(
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Haven't really played that so I can't say anything. Damn that's the only SH game I haven't played.
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Go play it. Right now.
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i just never really felt it was that atmospheric, and the gameplay was pretty AVERAGE i thought for a shooter, and was actually made kind of annoying by weird and awkward controls for an action game
I don't get how you could say that, unless you just don't like that over the shoulder view in general? I never found the controls awkward(PS2 version, haven't played the Gamecube or Wii versions))and the gameplay was well balanced and stayed true to the Resident Evil style with the whole, no moving when shooting thing. I hated those quick events after awhile though. Like that knife fight.. :mad:
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and the gameplay was well balanced and stayed true to the Resident Evil style with the whole, no moving when shooting thing.
That's why the controls were lame. They upgraded everything else but you still have to fight with TANK CONTROLS. For a government super agent that could jump 4x his height and suplex villagers with the greatest of ease, Leon moved like a log in water. Adding the ability to side step (something you could do in the original Silent Hill COME ON) wouldn't have hurt the difficult in any way.
But, it did take Capcom 20 years before adding the ability to duck in Mega Man so I'm not surprised it'll take another 20 to add realistic movement in Resident Evil.
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That's why the controls were lame. They upgraded everything else but you still have to fight with TANK CONTROLS. For a government super agent that could jump 4x his height and suplex villagers with the greatest of ease, Leon moved like a log in water. Adding the ability to side step (something you could do in the original Silent Hill COME ON) wouldn't have hurt the difficult in any way.
But, it did take Capcom 20 years before adding the ability to duck in Mega Man so I'm not surprised it'll take another 20 to add realistic movement in Resident Evil.
Capcom did pretty good movement once with the RE4 engine.
Oh wait, that was mainly Clover Studios.
God Hand, fuck yeah.
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That's why the controls were lame. They upgraded everything else but you still have to fight with TANK CONTROLS. For a government super agent that could jump 4x his height and suplex villagers with the greatest of ease, Leon moved like a log in water. Adding the ability to side step (something you could do in the original Silent Hill COME ON) wouldn't have hurt the difficult in any way.
But, it did take Capcom 20 years before adding the ability to duck in Mega Man so I'm not surprised it'll take another 20 to add realistic movement in Resident Evil.
You didn't NEED to duck in megaman. Similarly, the developers of RE4 did what they have for most the series, focus on letting people have firepower when standing still but not letting them move and fire at the same time. That way close encounters are more intimidating, and close combat is something to avoid under most circumstances (which is how a survival horror game should be, you take out targets as safely as possible, if you want endless melee on evil creatures that's why capcom made devil may cry). Also, you want to talk about realism, accuracy is horrible when you're running and firing. In the ammo limitations you have in RE, you can't afford to circle strafe and spray rounds with such waste.
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You didn't NEED to duck in megaman.
More than half the attacks could have been dodged by ducking but they removed it so you had to rely on the clunky jumping controls which usually led you into a wall spike or you'd move the camera off screen (which instantaneously revived every enemy you just killed).
That way close encounters are more intimidating, and close combat is something to avoid under most circumstances (which is how a survival horror game should be, you take out targets as safely as possible, if you want endless melee on evil creatures that's why capcom made devil may cry).
Considering the badguys could run I don't see this as an excuse. Most close battles could beaten by shooting them in the face then doing a roundhouse kick which knocked them all to the side but actually aiming was sloooooooooooooooooow. Seriously, there's a guy to your left but it takes 5 seconds to move 90 degrees and hit him so you have to turn around, run somewhere, turn back around, aim and fire. What is this shit? I'm not a government agent (well, technically I am but you know what I'm talking about here) and it takes me half a second to pivot on one foot and aim.
Which brings me to my next point:
Also, you want to talk about realism, accuracy is horrible when you're running and firing. In the ammo limitations you have in RE, you can't afford to circle strafe and spray rounds with such waste.
This may have applied to previous RE's but RE4 was clearly an ACTION GAME. You were meant to kill things and you couldn't advance UNLESS you killed things (which is contrary of the previous games). Ammo was in abbundance and I'm a government super soldier so there should be no excuse that I have to stand in one spot and slowly rotate my hips around to aim at the dozen crazed guys with pitchforks chasing after me.
The controls were just bad and stupid and cheap and gimmicky. Tactical movement teaches you not to stand in one spot and while firing and running is a tactical no no, firing while walking in a crouch is commonly taught to even the lowest level infantry grunts.
And Leon is a government super soldier but he's rooted to the spot when firing a fucking pistol. Hey Capcom, it's the 21st century. You don't have to include arcade controls to make a game hard!
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Back in the day of when games started to go 3D I guess they had no fucking idea how to make good controls since they had no experience with 3D controls and games like the first Resident Evil and Silent Hill had pretty bad controls and shitty combat although iirc SH did it slightly better but it also came like 5 years later than RE1 so.
But then there were games like Syphon Filter which, imho, had really good controls mostly because you could use the autoaim button or manual aiming and the camera was most of the time exactly where you wanted it to be and to jump you didn't need to press anything you just ran off a ledge and Gabe would just make those crazy jumps automatically and this feature worked really well with the level design. The gameplay is completely different from RE and SH though but it seemed like they knew what they were doing.
I guess its a bit of a long stretch to go from survival horror games into Syphon Filter which you could describe as a stealth-action-shooter (but hey it has a super agent and a story about a supervirus in there somewhere so its kinda like RE?!?!!??!?!) or something but the point is that as far as controls go you would expect some really solid ones by now its been like over 10 years since 3D games became the norm and some huge company like Capcom is apparently still struggling with the basic controls on one of its flagship trademarks. I guess it makes the games more scary when you are unable to make a 90 degree turn in 5 seconds to shoot a zombie, a sense of helplessness when the controls are completely crippled.
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If you think about it if they had controls like they had in MGS3 that would be pretty good actually, especially with the first person shooter view as well. I mean you could shoot and run and you can also aim for certain parts but you would have to stand still.
Flip knows why capcom don't do this but maybe they just wanted to stay true to the old Resident Evil aspects I suppose.
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...firing while walking in a crouch...
Problem identified: you have a squatting fetish.
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Early GTA games were also guilty of this although the PC version had strafing. Why Rockstar forced console players to use the shitty autoaim and standstill controls is beyond me.
Sometimes, I wonder what goes through the heads of developers. Do they even PLAY their own games or simply hand them off to some random play tester. If I were a playtester I would complain indefinitely until things like this got fixed.
Problem identified: you have a squatting fetish
hoho they call you the wit machine!
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You could slide under cars in the original GTA so they totally should have included crouching.
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Well, maybe it's not the fact that it's not that they didn't think of putting it in but maybe it was too hard to implement? or maybe there would be too many bugs and what not, oh wells who knows. I will be getting Resident Evil 5 but not as soon as it comes out, will probably wait for the price to drop first.
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Marcus, I just figured they did that because that's how it was in the past games, although I would be up for some free movement while aiming in this game or just a nice little duck or movement when aiming to dodge items thrown at you instead of resorting to using a gun to stop the items hitting you, I mean who the fuck would shoot at an axe or something coming at you?
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you pay for the game right? so you give the company money, and the racist ideologue who came up with the ideas in the first place gets paid for his bullshit and the game is treated as a success - this is a hypothetical ideologue, not in reference to RE5. i'm not calling you anything other than a bit of a dickhead here because all you're showing is a disregard for the kind of damage this thing can do - and it can, like for example the kid who plays this and gets it into his head that africans are all a bunch of cannibalistic zombie maniacs or the adult racist who plays this and feels his beliefs are being validated and sympathised with.
i'm not saying it's the most damage racism can do, you're right that this is "just a game", but just because it's not as bad as some other bullshit, you think it's okay to indulge in it because you like to shoot shit in videogames. if that's the case, then go ahead and have a great time.
Yeah, I'm sure it'd make so much more sense if Kenia would be full of white people right? I'm sure that'd give the kids great perspective of the world!
Ah, I didn't even know that there was a trailer before this one. Maybe it looked like ethnic cleansing before, I don't know, but the recently added trailer I watched on YouTube (can't watch Gametrailers at work) featured quite a few pasty-faced zombies.
So as to not offend anyone (Albeit! Many black people I've spoken to have not been at all offended! Funny that it are the white people who are offended) they go and make the game impossible by logic. I mean sure there are white people in Africa but that's like less than 3% of the population. To have you kill white dudes and women is like making the game in US and have you kill black people over and over and over and over and over again.
I've seen the original trailer, not this new one. I saw absolutely nothing racistic about it. So what, you kill black people. You've killed black people in past Resident Evil games (Re 2 and 3), funny how it got attention just now. I also love how some people say the main hero should have been black too. :laugh:
the thing is, on first glance, this really LOOKED VERY BAD. I mean, you've got a white dude coming in portrayed as saving a bunch of apelike Africans who want to club him on the head. take out the little subtitles and you've got a scene that just looks deliberately like a race war.
I suggest to never see Lord of War movie then.
of course that's not intentional, but that's not the point. other movies and mediums don't have this kind of problem because, well, they've reached the basic understanding that releasing a trailer of whitey killing darky is fairly discomfiting. but videogames, being made by some of the least aware people on the planet, haven't quite reached that basic level of understanding!
It's not discomnfitting at all. I really don't care if the guys are white, black, green, or rainbow colored. It's a murder showing and I don't think anything is past that. Fuck all that race shit, it wouldn't be any better if it'd be black killing whites or Indians waging war with Japanese.
the game isn't racist, and the chances that it was intended to be racist or racially insensitive are almost zero, but let's face it, there's a very real context to see it in and you don't have to stretch at all to reach it! these kinds of things really shouldn't be an issue and are indicative of a larger problem in gamemaking as a whole though.
I hate nowadays games. Everything tries to be politically correct. Fuck that, people should be able to themselves handle the material in games.
And you can't really say "What about kids?" because last time I checked, games were you slaughter tons of people, black or white wise, isn't exactly the game you should sell or buy to a minor. If they do anyway, then it's their fault and Konami is not at all responsible if a 11 year old starts screaming hysterically every time he sees a black person.
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Oh man not this racism stuff again.. :sweat:
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I just checked and it was still going on at the bottom of the last page. :mellow:
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Yeah, I'm sure it'd make so much more sense if Kenia would be full of white people right? I'm sure that'd give the kids great perspective of the world!
first of all, that's not how you spell it, and second of all, they don't even specify where the game takes place, aside from in the general region of kenya/ethiopia/eritrea, and the population of the latter two don't generally look that dark, especially eritrea. even if you assume it's in kenya, and that skin shade IS appropriate (which it's really not for the rest of the region!), kenya isn't populated exclusively by very dark africans, soooo yeah.
So as to not offend anyone (Albeit! Many black people I've spoken to have not been at all offended! Funny that it are the white people who are offended) they go and make the game impossible by logic. I mean sure there are white people in Africa but that's like less than 3% of the population. To have you kill white dudes and women is like making the game in US and have you kill black people over and over and over and over and over again.
i'm black and steel is indian so you don't know what you're talking about it turns out?? also ahahah NONE OF THE BLACK PEOPLE I TALKED TO CARED i guess that means it's not offensive at all! after all, racism is only offensive to minorities, right? this is just white people getting all.... white.... about it, like always heh
but i guess as long as mr big t doesn't find it too racistic it's alright!! heh, so what if you're a white american heading into an african country and killing black people and exclusively black people? insensitivity to racial dynamics and history? what's that??? there were like 3 blacks in resident evil 2 and no one complained then now did they? and saying the main character of a game taking place in an african country should be black..... :laugh: AhAhAhAhA *phew* i almost thought serious there for a second hehe *&wipes tear* as if
I suggest to never see Lord of War movie then.
that's not what that movie was about at all, nor did it look anything like this, but alright thanks
also no one is saying "what about the kids"
ALSO also you are dumb and don't understand anything about race relations apparently so it'd probably be a good idea if you took your HEH WELL THIS IS JUST BEING TOO TOUCHY shit and maybe put it on hold until you've educated yourself even remotely on the subject, because you very, very plainly haven't, and it's just kind of annoying to have to read through big, stupid, uncomprehending posts made by people acting like they have any idea what they're talking about on subjects they're totally unfamiliar with. i wish you could've put "whats with all this pc bullshit????" earlier in your post so i could've just stopped reading right there.
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christ dude he's Mister Big T you could not possibly find a bigger waste of time to post at.
which you probably know but still.
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i know but i enjoyed making the post tbh
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This topic is actually worse than the ones at the IMDB boards about Robert Downey Jr's "black" character in Tropic Thunder.
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Oh god i want to see that movie Tropic Thunder SO MUCH.
And wow, This topic has spawned interesting responses.
Im going to fall back into my "Low expectations" kind of opinion for this game.
Capcom aren't making another resident evil 1-3 they are making another resident evil 4.
so i'll stop following it, Stop watching the trailers and just play it when it comes out.
In other news Alone in the Dark 5 Is looking pretty sweet and i still have silent hill to look forward to aswell.
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Man why does everybody hate the controls in RE4
if you're able to properly keep yourself from not dying and like someone said you've got enough firepower to not have to sidestep and crap so how does it feel cheap that you can't do extra manuevers
also sure you could probably walk backwards while shooting in real life and be faster than the bad guys but then what sort of a game would that be
WHY CAN'T I SIDESTEP IN THIS RPG
Edit: Also imo it always seems like Japanese are the only ones interested in making GAME anymore and westerners really just want some big life simulator which we will either all become trapped in while machines take over the earth or it will be used for kinky sex - but either way everything will have boobs on it like CHAIRBOOB even
Edit: Also it's not supposed to be a realistic game Leon doesn't even fucking eat or even pack a fucking sandwich
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simple solution for RE running and gunning : can walk while firing but not run and if the enemies get too close to you they can knock you down and beat you.
you could back away from enemies and this would add lots of tension because you'd be thinking CAN I KILL THIS GUY BEFORE HE KICKS MY ASS IN HAND TO HAND.
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This topic is actually worse than the ones at the IMDB boards about Robert Downey Jr's "black" character in Tropic Thunder.
Ive read some of those, made me laugh. They always compare it to White Chicks or some shit. :laugh:
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first of all, that's not how you spell it
Around here you spell it like that. I have tendency to sometimes not realize in english the places are called different. Like Tokyo isn't Tokio like in here. This is where my foreigness shows up, I'm sorry for the typo.
and second of all, they don't even specify where the game takes place, aside from in the general region of kenya/ethiopia/eritrea, and the population of the latter two don't generally look that dark, especially eritrea. even if you assume it's in kenya, and that skin shade IS appropriate (which it's really not for the rest of the region!), kenya isn't populated exclusively by very dark africans, soooo yeah.
Not excelusively maybe but mostly there are black people. Just as majority of US is white oriented, Africa is mostly black oriented.
i'm black and steel is indian so you don't know what you're talking about it turns out?? also ahahah NONE OF THE BLACK PEOPLE I TALKED TO CARED i guess that means it's not offensive at all! after all, racism is only offensive to minorities, right? this is just white people getting all.... white.... about it, like always heh
So I can't be white to understand this subject?
Also about your offensive and white people comment; sadly, this is true even though you were joking. It's the black sympathizers (for lack of better word, albeit black wannabe is good too)who usually bring all the racism issues up even if their race wouldn't even be portraited as racist.
but i guess as long as mr big t doesn't find it too racistic it's alright!!
This wasn't the mindset I was after at all, I was just saying my own opinnion about the matter.
heh, so what if you're a white american heading into an african country and killing black people and exclusively black people? insensitivity to racial dynamics and history? what's that???
Don't you kill lots of white people as a black person in Gta:San Andreas? Racism works both ways you know.
also no one is saying "what about the kids"
You are wrong, and I'll quote
you pay for the game right? so you give the company money, and the racist ideologue who came up with the ideas in the first place gets paid for his bullshit and the game is treated as a success - this is a hypothetical ideologue, not in reference to RE5. i'm not calling you anything other than a bit of a dickhead here because all you're showing is a disregard for the kind of damage this thing can do - and it can, like for example the kid who plays this and gets it into his head that africans are all a bunch of cannibalistic zombie maniacs or the adult racist who plays this and feels his beliefs are being validated and sympathised with.
ALSO also you are dumb and don't understand anything about race relations
Then why do I have so many black friends and my favorite rpgmaker happens to be black? (locus)
apparently so it'd probably be a good idea if you took your HEH WELL THIS IS JUST BEING TOO TOUCHY shit and maybe put it on hold until you've educated yourself even remotely on the subject, because you very, very plainly haven't
So wait, now you have a degree about race relations or something? :fogetlaugh:
and it's just kind of annoying to have to read through big, stupid, uncomprehending posts made by people acting like they have any idea what they're talking about on subjects they're totally unfamiliar with.
Welcome to GamingW :fogetlaugh:christ dude he's Mister Big T you could not possibly find a bigger waste of time to post at.
This is a weird way of thinking actually, I always read and respond to all comments about me or disussions I partake at. I just have my own views on matters and stick to them usually unless someone is extremely convincing to me.
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WHY IS MY FAVORITE RPG MAKER BLACK holy shit
ahahaha thank you so much for this
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ugh.... fucken black wannabes... stirrin up shit
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So wait, now you have a degree about race relations or something?
I got a minor in it, I win.
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i guess it surprises me that people legitimately care about RE anymore.
Devil May Cry is the best Resident Evil.
that is all.
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i only played the first two dmc games but neither of them are particularly good beyond STANDARD ACTION GAME shit and also the camera angles in the first one were awful
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wow wtf that's right I own the Devil May Cry collection
and RE 1-3 + Veronica
And Dino Crisis II
I haven't had time to play gaems in a while :(
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hey guys, my mystical black friend said he wasn't offended by the trailer so every thing's ok (also im from DC and there are a lot of black people here so i'm kind of an authority on the subject (of black people))
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"we don't get the big deal about racism, but you know how white people love to blow everything out of proportion"
-black people
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I'm no racist BUT killing only black zombies really puts my mind at rest because while playing other (white) zombie games I always used to think about the good lives the people lived before they became zombies while I shot them. Now they're only black I have no issues since I know that in their past lives they were just street criminals, most of them were probably rapists!!
THANKS CAPCOM :-)
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the only problem i can see with this game is that there's probably going to be a lot of rap(e) music *_*
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heh, at least you know the zombies' jeans will be too baggy for them to move quickly. it's hard to bite someone with one hand holding up your "sagging" pants XD
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Don't you kill lots of white people as a black person in Gta:San Andreas? Racism works both ways you know.
you actually really don't btw.
like not disproportionately for sure but I was just playing this a week ago you really don't kill too many white folk.