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Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: WunderBread on June 04, 2008, 10:25:09 pm
So my graduation gift, as it has been in the past with other members of my family, is the obligatory college laptop. I'm still really deciding between a Mac or a regular laptop, so I suppose I'll go through the rundown of what I'd use it for:

So it's not as if I'm saying "choose a laptop for me" or any of that; I'm really asking which ones you might suggest from you personal experience, and which ones you'd shy away from. Were there laptops you got that you regret purchasing? There are some brands that I'm definitely going to try to stay away from, most notably being Dell (which has proven to be a bad brand of laptops, from what I've experienced) and Acer (it just seems too slow and clunky). The Macs seem quite nice, but I'm a bit worried as to how my files might end up when I transferred them to a different operating program. Also, the amount of space that Macs offer seems to be rather small when compared to a regular PC.

The stories I've heard about Vista have been varied (some recommend and some condone), but the gist of what I've gathered from it is that it's high level of security can act like a double-edged sword. I tend to have a variety of programs on my computer, so has anyone run into problems running certain applications or files?

I'm also looking to purchase another external hard drive (Western Digital has worked quite well, so far) so any suggestions for that would be nice, as well.

There's really no price limit on what I can get (though under $2000 is preferable), so ...
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Bobberticus on June 04, 2008, 11:29:44 pm
My mistake when buying a laptop for school was going too cheap. With a limit like $2000 like you say, that should not be a problem at all though.

I spent about 600.
This thing barely can handle vista's madness yet they decided to have it pre-installed anyway!
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Harland on June 05, 2008, 12:03:34 am
I bought an Asus laptop for uni. It has decent specs for the amount I paid and it hasn't given me much bother. As far as Vista is concerned, I wouldn't go out of my way to get it but if it comes pre-installed it'll do everything you need it to do.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on June 05, 2008, 12:23:25 am
Sorry, hijacking this topic a little bit but I'm currently looking for a laptop as well (around 1300-1400 max?)

Is this one any good or are there better deals?

http://store.shopfujitsu.com/fpc/Ecommerce/buildseriesbean.do?series=A6120

Looking at the $1,149 one.
Also, would getting the extra gb of ram and "intel turbo memory" be worth it?
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Iaman on June 05, 2008, 02:28:27 am
Well, from the people I know, the Thinkpad (http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/na/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:expandcategory?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=8FA114A7D9FF4F38AE8E19B36EC665A7") series of laptops is REALLY FREAKING NICE.  They're durable, lightweight, look decent enough, and they are reasonably priced as far as I can tell, especially for their quality.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on June 05, 2008, 03:24:47 am
Wow, for $2,000, you should be able to buy an incredibly nice laptop.

get a dell laptop. They're well-priced, have good battery life, and are fucking indestructable, which is an often overlooked quality in a flimsy piece of expensive hardware.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: WunderBread on June 05, 2008, 03:34:04 am
Well, from the people I know, the Thinkpad (http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/na/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:expandcategory?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=8FA114A7D9FF4F38AE8E19B36EC665A7") series of laptops is REALLY FREAKING NICE.  They're durable, lightweight, look decent enough, and they are reasonably priced as far as I can tell, especially for their quality.
They look pretty cool (and hey look, the display moves!) but the list of features on the comparison section of the site seems to be all over the place with different models. I'll see if they have them in a local store, though, so I can take a look.

Wow, for $2,000, you should be able to buy an incredibly nice laptop.

get a dell laptop. They're well-priced, have good battery life, and are fucking indestructable, which is an often overlooked quality in a flimsy piece of expensive hardware.
Ugh, but I've had too many bad experiences with them. Both of my sisters have Dells, which constantly fail on them and whatnot. We've had a Dell computer that's failed after only a few years. And the vents are at the bottom so that they can't even put them on their laps because it'll burn them. I'm not sure if most of them come like this, but what's the point of a laptop if you can't put it on your lap?

Their prices and features are usually more generous, though, which constantly makes me question my decision against them. :P

On a humourous little side note, we went to Best Buy to pick up some ink today and my father, my second cousin, and some poor Best Buy employee all got into this Mac vs. PC debate that I could hear on the other side of the store. I went to the end of the strip mall to check out some stuff at Michael's, bought some candy, and mosied on back (a good twenty minute journey in total) to find that they were still arguing. It's funny how heated those discussions get. :rolleyes:
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on June 05, 2008, 03:41:33 am
My Dell doesn't fail on me unless I'm constantly closing and opening it with high-memory apps running, which admittedly I shouldn't be doing. It does run extremely hot however, it's possible it generates half as much heat as a desktop.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: headphonics on June 05, 2008, 04:37:12 am
Well, my brother had a Dell for a while (I don't remember the name, but it was like the first 12.1" one they put out), but about a year or so ago he bought a MacBook Pro, and he says he infinitely prefers the Mac.  Dells are sort of well-priced if you can find the deals they seem to constantly have going on, but my experience with looking into buying them is a lot of the time they come with lackluster base settings, and the upgrades are ridiculously overpriced.  With stuff like RAM you can do it yourself, but that's not always the case.  I don't know much about the current line of Dells, but MacBook Pros have pretty speedy processors, GPUs that are significantly better than what you typically find in a notebook (maybe the XPS laptops are like this too, idk), they by default come with a pretty good amount of RAM, and obviously large hard drives is a given.  I'm positive you can get one under $2000, especially if you can work a student discount in there.

Plus, it's really nice to have the screen size of a 15.4" without having to deal with the weight that usually comes with it, as the MBP's surprisingly light, and even though it's bigger than a 12 or 13" laptop, its dimensions aren't substantially larger, especially its thickness or depth or whatever.  Also MAYBE of note is the fact that it's easily got the best keyboard I've ever used on a notebook and the keys light up in the dark, which is actually pretty handy sometimes, and it's one of those things you don't realize you appreciate so much until you've had it.  The screen's pretty nice, too.  His old Dell and some other ones I've seen have that reflective coating shit on them, and idk if they're still doing that, but it's really annoying outside or in bright rooms.  We're both fans of OSX, and in fact I'd probably opt for it over Windows if I had the cash around to buy a decent Mac, and I'm pretty sure it can easily do all of the things you're talking about doing (there's Bootcamp or whatever it's called for partitioning your drive and running Windows on one of the partitions, if gaming is really your thing.  From what I saw just playing a few, it worked at what seemed to be full speed, and it was definitely better than whatever inter-OSX Windows emulation people had to use before).

So yeah, maybe consider one of those.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: goat on June 05, 2008, 05:44:50 am
And the vents are at the bottom so that they can't even put them on their laps because it'll burn them. I'm not sure if most of them come like this, but what's the point of a laptop if you can't put it on your lap?

A good number of people use laptops on desks and other surfaces since craning down to use it on your lap is horrible posture. You could even throw a tshirt or towel or even it's own case underneath it if it's uncomfortable on your lap.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: ATARI on June 05, 2008, 05:35:44 pm
Well, my brother had a Dell for a while (I don't remember the name, but it was like the first 12.1" one they put out), but about a year or so ago he bought a MacBook Pro, and he says he infinitely prefers the Mac.  Dells are sort of well-priced if you can find the deals they seem to constantly have going on, but my experience with looking into buying them is a lot of the time they come with lackluster base settings, and the upgrades are ridiculously overpriced.  With stuff like RAM you can do it yourself, but that's not always the case.  I don't know much about the current line of Dells, but MacBook Pros have pretty speedy processors, GPUs that are significantly better than what you typically find in a notebook (maybe the XPS laptops are like this too, idk), they by default come with a pretty good amount of RAM, and obviously large hard drives is a given.  I'm positive you can get one under $2000, especially if you can work a student discount in there.

Plus, it's really nice to have the screen size of a 15.4" without having to deal with the weight that usually comes with it, as the MBP's surprisingly light, and even though it's bigger than a 12 or 13" laptop, its dimensions aren't substantially larger, especially its thickness or depth or whatever.  Also MAYBE of note is the fact that it's easily got the best keyboard I've ever used on a notebook and the keys light up in the dark, which is actually pretty handy sometimes, and it's one of those things you don't realize you appreciate so much until you've had it.  The screen's pretty nice, too.  His old Dell and some other ones I've seen have that reflective coating shit on them, and idk if they're still doing that, but it's really annoying outside or in bright rooms.  We're both fans of OSX, and in fact I'd probably opt for it over Windows if I had the cash around to buy a decent Mac, and I'm pretty sure it can easily do all of the things you're talking about doing (there's Bootcamp or whatever it's called for partitioning your drive and running Windows on one of the partitions, if gaming is really your thing.  From what I saw just playing a few, it worked at what seemed to be full speed, and it was definitely better than whatever inter-OSX Windows emulation people had to use before).

So yeah, maybe consider one of those.

MBPs do come with the same GPU as the XPS M1530 (8600GT DDR3).   Just as a clarification, bootcamp (making a partition for windows) "seems" to run at full speed because it does.  Since Apple switched over to intel chipsets (the MBP has a C2D processor), it runs windows natively as it would on a PC. 

I own a MBP and they are quite excellent machines.  The only thing I would mention is that they are often targets of theft though, (as is any laptop, but it seems the MBPs and the Macbooks moreso) so invest in a good lock or something.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Swordfish on June 05, 2008, 05:58:49 pm
If your going to play games some of the time, and only the really popular games and your doing arty stuff, get a mac. No competition, if i didn't play so many games that are unavalable to MAC i would install MAC OSX 64bit or whatever one works. MAC OSX is far better stuff built in for free like a music making and managing software, good art software, move software and it look amazinf too. like i say, i would update in a heart beat if what i did wasn't so dependong in vista "screw you for more money" 64bit.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: ATARI on June 05, 2008, 06:07:29 pm
i hope by "music managing" you don't mean itunes because itunes is one the biggest loads of bullshit i've ever touched

I'm not sure if you can really say that OSX is better for art and movie stuff, but based from the proprietary stuff, it is more inclined towards it than windows is
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Mama Luigi on June 05, 2008, 06:09:41 pm
I haven't had much good experience with notebooks, but as a prospective laptop purchaser I would look into the new HP laptops. They have a really sexy design to them. With $2000 to spend I'm sure any PC or Mac you get will deliver jaw-droppingly awesome performance.

Also Macbooks do kind of suck for running Windows if for no other reason than that they do not have a right mouse button. Easily fixed with the addition of a mouse, but worth noting.

Also Swordfish what are you talking about. This isn't 1992, all Adobe shit runs exactly the same on Windows as it does on Mac. Finder has some quirks but it is more-or-less the same as Explorer. Garageband is really noob software and I guarentee no pro would use it (but it is admittedly pretty fun to monkey around with, it's just not serious).
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: dada on June 05, 2008, 07:14:04 pm
I'm a big Mac fan and think you should get one. You'll like it. When in doubt, ask rami (everybody knows rami's the one you should LOOK AT for advice)!
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: WunderBread on June 05, 2008, 09:47:50 pm
You guys are really awesome for these suggestions.  :) While I'm still looking openly at all the stuff in the stores, I'm leaning a bit more toward the MacBook Pro (although the price might be a bit of a gamble with my dad). Seems like they offer a $200 discount and a free iPod if I buy a notebook (student discount). Even then, though, the other laptops are a lot cheaper... so if the price is a bit too crazy for the parents, I'll probably look at some other brands.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Swordfish on June 05, 2008, 10:03:29 pm
i hope by "music managing" you don't mean itunes because itunes is one the biggest loads of bullshit i've ever touched

I'm not sure if you can really say that OSX is better for art and movie stuff, but based from the proprietary stuff, it is more inclined towards it than windows is
wrong kind of music managing :P i wasn't talking about itunes, theres software that helps to manage your tracks and addeffects when your making music like say for a band.

i wasn't talking about Adobe stuff, i was talking about in genreral, like say for example the 3D software i use would infact run way better in a MAC os enviroment.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: ATARI on June 05, 2008, 10:40:20 pm
wrong kind of music managing :P i wasn't talking about itunes, theres software that helps to manage your tracks and addeffects when your making music like say for a band.

i wasn't talking about Adobe stuff, i was talking about in genreral, like say for example the 3D software i use would infact run way better in a MAC os enviroment.

i've never heard multi-tracking referred to as managing before but okay
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Mama Luigi on June 05, 2008, 11:10:46 pm
i wasn't talking about Adobe stuff, i was talking about in genreral, like say for example the 3D software i use would infact run way better in a MAC os enviroment.
Proof?
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on June 06, 2008, 02:51:07 am
there's absolutely no reason to use a mac laptop other than it's mostly idiot-proof for the average user... and effective marketing.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: headphonics on June 06, 2008, 03:05:19 am
good hardware, pretty good default software, osx is good and stable and less buggy than windows, they're well made, good battery life, great keyboards (this is a p. big deal actually as far as PRODUCTIVITY goes), less susceptible to VIRUSES or w/e if you actually have trouble with that kind of thing, and honestly they're fairly affordable (mpb is lightweight overpriced but considering what you get and the longevity of them, not by much, especially after the student discounts, and macbooks are pretty economic compared to pcs as well)
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on June 06, 2008, 05:02:55 am
good hardware, pretty good default software, osx is good and stable and less buggy than windows, they're well made, good battery life, great keyboards (this is a p. big deal actually as far as PRODUCTIVITY goes), less susceptible to VIRUSES or w/e if you actually have trouble with that kind of thing, and honestly they're fairly affordable (mpb is lightweight overpriced but considering what you get and the longevity of them, not by much, especially after the student discounts, and macbooks are pretty economic compared to pcs as well)

hardware is decent enough for a laptop, but you can get the same components for a well-selected Windows laptop for cheaper.

unless photoshop comes packaged with mac laptops (don't you have to pay a discounted fee??) there's absolutely nothing you can do on a default-installed mac laptop you can't do with openoffice and a couple well-selected third party programs.

OSX is only stable because it's less capable/has less unsupported third-party software than Windows. if you fuck up Windows to the point where it's regularly crashing or has serious problems, it's probably because you didn't manage your computer and overloaded your startup list or have too many conflicting drivers / improperly installed software / ill-advised tweaks. also, if you find a file extension you need to open and it isn't one of the BIG STANDARD ONES, i wish you luck trying to find a program on a mac that'll open it. that said macs are pretty good for people who don't know a lot about computers.

you get viruses on windows from browsing the wrong kind of sites and having shitty virus protection.

battery life you got me there i have to take my power cable all over the place. however, you can get exactly the same battery life in a windows laptop selected for its battery life, windows laptops get less battery life because A) people don't buy higher-capacity batteries which come default on a Mac laptop and B) they are built for higher performance, even if it doesn't show because they have (uggghhh) Vista.

also what the hell are you talking about prices, I got a 14 inch dell with pretty good performance and a quasi-decent video card that might have a slightly slower processor than a mac but was more than a few hundreds of dollars cheaper if i was looking for the same price!!

one problem with mac laptops: they are incredibly delicate. I think they must built them using painted and polished wood shavings because if you drop a mac laptop once it will break badly, even if you had it closed. most windows laptop brands are somewhat more tough and when you factor in a good 500 bucks for Mac laptop repairs it can turn the tide.

the main problem with windows laptops is that there's a huge market for them and too many people buy shitty brands like HP or Asper which are poorly built, have low performance, and are extremely unstable. granted dell isn't the cream of the crop, but i still think dell laptops are pretty fucking great performance/stability/toughness-to-price ratio.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Mama Luigi on June 06, 2008, 05:04:04 am
, , , they're well made, good battery life, great keyboards (this is a p. big deal actually as far as PRODUCTIVITY goes), less susceptible to VIRUSES or w/e if you actually have trouble with that kind of thing, and honestly they're fairly affordable (mpb is lightweight overpriced but considering what you get and the longevity of them, not by much, especially after the student discounts, and macbooks are pretty economic compared to pcs as well)
I hate to contribute to another fruitless mac vs pc debate (really the world has way too many of these) but I'll add my input.


Of course, it all comes down to the operating system you prefer and are most efficient on. If you haven't used the Mac OSX OS, then I recommend you give it a try beforehand. I personally prefer Windows 90% of the time, but I use Macs at school and they do have some spots where they best Windows Vista. That's ultimately where the Mac vs PC debate always ends up - with which OS works best for you.

EDIT: ohmy treg :|
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on June 06, 2008, 05:09:01 am
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If you turn UAC off in Vista (which many people do because it annoys them to no end when they're installing software) then yes, you'll probably get bugs and shit.

Off topic but for the record, it's entirely possible to keep the security benefits of UAC while turning off the annoying popups just through a simple registry edit to allow the default 'Administrator' account to be accessible. It's like getting the virus security of a Mac without the shitty, annoying, almost infuriating UAC popups and control limits (WHY THE HELL CAN'T I SAVE FILES TO A PROGRAM DIRECTORY) that have no place being on home editions of Vista anyhow.

no idea why they locked out the Administrator account by default but it's pretty fucking annoying.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: headphonics on June 06, 2008, 05:33:14 am
YEAAAH ALRIGHT

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Totally subjective and I would say that Vista and OSX Tiger (don't have much experience with Leopard) are about the same stability-wise. 3rd party programs seem to be the main culprit of lockups and glitches on both OSes. Don't think that discludes popular software though - while I was in class last semester I must have had Firefox crash/lock up on me daily on the Mac.
no i don't think this is totally subjective!  mac users aren't the most objective bunch but i've used both systems quite a bit and comparing as long as you go ONE VERSION BACK osx is quite a bit more stable than vista in most cases.  that's the thing; if you don't like the stability of the vista, you're forced to use xp, a six or seven year old os.  if you don't like TIGER or whatever the fuck, you don't have to lose nearly as many features because they update their operating system more than once every five or six years.

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Coming back to the hardware thing, yeah, they're pretty well made. The lack of right mouse button on the touchpad is really annoying though (maybe not to some but to me it is).
i meant that they are STURDY COMPUTERS, not so much the hardware.  like, i don't know what treg is talking about at all, because in my experience they haven't been fragile at all.  i've used an old ibook for a while, and it's the same as what my brother says about his macbook: they're sturdy as hell and don't break very easily even if you drop them (as opposed to a toshiba i once had that broke severely the second i dropped it).  one of the things i've always heard about mac laptops is that they're solidly built, so idk where you got this from!

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Not a fan (their desktop keyboards are fine though). And... com'on. The keyboard isn't going to magically make you more productive.
what's not to be a fan of?  have you spent any amount of time typing on a mbp?  also if you don't understand how having a keyboard that ISN'T CRAMPED/POORLY MADE helps when you type a lot then i don't really know what to tell you; this is kind of common sense, dude.  the ones they put on their normal macbooks are fine, but the ones on the pros really make the type toshiba, dell et al use look flimsy by comparison.

also that is a ridiculous example of an alternative pc because it's 17" and probably weighs about twice as much as a macbook.  also, i very much doubt the battery life is as good which is a huge factor!  does the idea of portability mean nothing to you?

and i sort of understand the argument because osx is clearly TONED DOWN and i sort of miss the customization and options that windows has and that it's omitted to be user-friendly, but most people aren't that into COMPUTER shit i imagine and probably won't miss having to worry about that type of stuff at all.

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also what the hell are you talking about prices, I got a 14 inch dell with pretty good performance and a quasi-decent video card that might have a slightly slower processor than a mac but was more than a few hundreds of dollars cheaper if i was looking for the same price!!
yeah but how much does it weigh, what's the battery life like, how does the video card REALLY compare with the one in the mpb, etc etc?  these are probably all little things where your computer falls a bit behind and  they definitely start adding up, so it's not really accurate to act as if you're not getting anything for $300.  battery life alone is worth paying more for a lot of people.  you can always skimp and get a little less FOR a little less, but i think sometimes it's a decent idea to just invest in something that has a bit more longevity.  you'll probably be replacing that dell notebook before you would have if you'd bought a macbook pro, so yeah.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: headphonics on June 06, 2008, 05:37:01 am
also just fyi i'm not saying MACS ARE BETTER even though i think for most peoples' purposes they generally are, because imacs are shitty and overpriced and most of their stuff isn't the best you can get for the money.  i just genuinely think macbooks/macbook pros are pretty well made laptops and alright deals too.  like, they're one of the few things apple makes that aren't really very overpriced at all.  so no the point is not mac > pc so much as it is that i think he should consider getting one instead of just looking at pcs, which is what both of you seem to be telling him to do.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on June 06, 2008, 05:57:24 am
i meant that they are STURDY COMPUTERS, not so much the hardware.  like, i don't know what treg is talking about at all, because in my experience they haven't been fragile at all.  i've used an old ibook for a while, and it's the same as what my brother says about his macbook: they're sturdy as hell and don't break very easily even if you drop them (as opposed to a toshiba i once had that broke severely the second i dropped it).  one of the things i've always heard about mac laptops is that they're solidly built, so idk where you got this from!

Toshiba is a shitty brand and so many people I know have broken Mac screens just by like them FALLING OFF A TABLE that either they're less well built than your average Windows laptop brand or people I know are just idiots.

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what's not to be a fan of?  have you spent any amount of time typing on a mbp?  also if you don't understand how having a keyboard that ISN'T CRAMPED/POORLY MADE helps when you type a lot then i don't really know what to tell you; this is kind of common sense, dude.  the ones they put on their normal macbooks are fine, but the ones on the pros really make the type toshiba, dell et al use look flimsy by comparison.

i have no idea what you are talking about, my keyboards on windows laptops have always been proficient. if anything i find the macbook ones incredibly annoying because it doesn't have as many keys or keys in the same places (but that's because I'm a Windows guy I guess) and they lack a right click on the touchpad which is absolutely infuriating to someone used to one.

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and i sort of understand the argument because osx is clearly TONED DOWN and i sort of miss the customization and options that windows has and that it's omitted to be user-friendly, but most people aren't that into COMPUTER shit i imagine and probably won't miss having to worry about that type of stuff at all.

Macs are alright for the casual user but if you know much at all about computers or desire a wide range of programs/abilities Windows becomes much more convenient than a Mac.

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yeah but how much does it weigh, what's the battery life like, how does the video card REALLY compare with the one in the mpb, etc etc?  these are probably all little things where your computer falls a bit behind and  they definitely start adding up, so it's not really accurate to act as if you're not getting anything for $300.  battery life alone is worth paying more for a lot of people.  you can always skimp and get a little less FOR a little less, but i think sometimes it's a decent idea to just invest in something that has a bit more longevity.  you'll probably be replacing that dell notebook before you would have if you'd bought a macbook pro, so yeah.

I bought my Dell laptop for 1250. The MBP is 2000 bucks.

Let's compare specs:

on low performance mode, my Dell laptop gets nearly 3 hours of battery life... if I keep the screen toned down to maybe 30% brightness, which still isn't bad. low performance affects mostly the graphics unit. the MBP gets 5 hours. it definitely beats me there; but if i really cared about the battery life (I don't, particularly; if I keep it charged I RARELY need more than hour or two since pretty much anyplace you sit down for WiFi has power outlets) I could buy a battery pack which would make it weigh slightly more but dramatically increase the battery life to MBP standards, for only a hundred bucks or so.

the MBP has a maximum resolution of 1440*900. That has me beat; I have 1280*800. But most DVDs don't even stretch to MY resolution and the screen size is the same, so arguably for most purposes, the difference is insignificant... if annoying.

same amount of RAM, except that Vista is able to use flash memory cards as ram in a pinch. I never do that, but it's possible.

my processor is comparatively slow, it's 1.8 Core 2 Duo compared to the MBP's 2.5. That's a pretty huge difference (unless I am just really bad at understanding how dual processors work, which i am); but the primary reason I got a slow processor was price. Let's say I want to upgrade to 2.2 ghz, it'll probably run me a couple hundred - but still, it's a lot cheaper than the MBP. also, 1.8 is still pretty fast for a dual core - more than fast enough for a lot of current games! it runs source games, oblivion, medieval II, etc. pretty well... the main limitation for performance really becomes the memory and graphics card.

MBP has 50 gigs on me, but I don't really need 200 gigs of HD space on a laptop. that is more than enough to hold all of my music and movies, several fold, and you don't require

The MBP has a 8600. I have an 8400. The price difference between the two was approximately 80 bucks at time of purchase; I made a shitty choice there, since the performance difference is probably pretty big - but it's a mobile 8600, which still means it gets much much less performance than the 8400. But what do you need that extra graphics power for? photoshop, arguably, because using dual boot to run windows games is a big performance drop.

If I upgraded my laptop to equivalent specs, it would probably run me 500. okay, so the gap has closed, a lot, but that's because I'm paying for UPGRADES rather than INITIAL PURCHASE PRICE. it'd probably have cost me 200-300 more to clear up the gap on processing power, graphics, and battery

however, if you'd looked at a mac laptop in the same price range as my initial dell, it would have probably run a good 400-500 dollars more expensive at least, and if i'd bought a $2000 dell laptop it would have had features that would have been much more impressive than the MBP's.

i am rather generously including the cost of my warrant plan etc. in the $1250 for my laptop btw. the $2000 for the MBP is just the base price of the unit, and doesn't include any other charges affiliated with buying a new laptop.

EDIT: I checked prices and while I don't seem to be able to upgrade the processor (except for huge piles of cash!) I can get 4 gigs of ram and an upgrade to an 8600 for $200. not a bad deal, right?
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: headphonics on June 06, 2008, 06:32:03 am
man every pc laptop i've typed on has been more or less alright, but this isn't just me or my brother saying the mbp has like the best keyboard ever on a notebook; a lot of reviewers say the same thing!  i'm kind of surprised you've sat down and used it and left thinking "yeah w/e" because i legitimately type faster on one.  laptop keyboards are sort of commonly known for being kind of flimsy!  also the one button thing is dumb but takes like 3 days to ween yourself off of and if you dont want to do that then WIRELESS MOUSE so yeah.

also did you get your dell on a student discount or anything like that?  i know dell has MAD SALES so it might not be entirely fair to just say yeah it was $1250 when typically it'd cost $1500 or something

anyway same ram, bigger hdd, better gpu, and significantly better cpu and battery life (btw those extended batteries usually stick out and are generally annoying), plus small stuff like resolution.  idk it's just clearly a better package and i think the extra money would at least somewhat be made up for when it lasts way longer than your dell will.  also, considering dell overcharges for a lot of the upgrades you get with them, you'd probably actually pay more than the $500 it would take to upgrade your computer, not less, especially since the cost has undoubtedly come down since i'm assuming your laptop isn't brand new.  i'm curious what two grand would get you with a dell, but i'm still kind of doubting that whatever it would be would just completely blow a similarly priced apple out of the water.  also, you said an apple of the same level as your current dell would cost like $500 more, but what you're using now, aside from the gpu (maybe not even that since i'm not sure what kind of graphics regular macbooks have), sounds more or less like a macbook in terms of specs, and those are roughly the same price!
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Standard Toaster on June 06, 2008, 03:53:31 pm
I got a Dell Inspiron 1720 recently and I'm very happy with it. However, it is big and fairly hefty, but if you don't mind that its really good if you like games etc.

Specs:
17" glossy monitor (1920x1200 native resolution)
2.4 Ghz Dual Core Processor
4 Gigs of RAM
NVidia 8600M Graphics Card
250 Gig Hard Drive
Integrated Bluetooth and WiFi

It cost about $2000 after discounts, which you can find basically every day with a simple google search.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Mama Luigi on June 06, 2008, 04:07:43 pm
also that is a ridiculous example of an alternative pc because it's 17" and probably weighs about twice as much as a macbook.  also, i very much doubt the battery life is as good which is a huge factor!  does the idea of portability mean nothing to you?
Better graphics, 15.4" screen, more RAM, blu-ray drive, and a hundred cheaper. (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834220280)
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: headphonics on June 06, 2008, 05:51:24 pm
hey you're not too bright are you!

that is heavier and has two hours of battery life.  TWO HOURS.  ahahaha are you serious?  what point are you even trying to make, here?  that if you want a heavier, much much less portable, uglier alternative, you can get it for $100 less? sweet thanks.  neither of the two computers you linked are very compelling reasons not to buy a mac unless you really just like windows-based gaming and uh... not taking your computer very many places.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: ATARI on June 06, 2008, 06:47:38 pm
well windows itself uses battery power less efficiently than OS X.  When I'm running windows XP on my MBP I only get about 3-3.5 hours out of my battery life (with wireless on and brightness at the visible lowest, I could probably get more with wireless turned off, but who wants that) as opposed to the 5-6 on OS X.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Brown on June 06, 2008, 08:54:26 pm
this is under 2000 and PERFECT
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/na/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=329576204C9E42289967E79E0E7C9A2D

did I mention its a tablet as well :D
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Terin on June 06, 2008, 09:35:06 pm
Honestly, I'm a BIG fan of HP laptops.  I've had 2 (and another one I'm using right now) and they've all been great to me.  They all still work and are either in another room or are lent out to people who need them.

HP usually has a deal, but you need a coupon code --  I got a dv9500t (I think they have a 9700t right now) for 30% off.  If you watch for some deals at www.fatwallet.com, you can really check that out.  I saw a 25% off the other day.  Definitely a good machine -- pretty light for a 17", not too hot (but can be if you get something fairly near the vents), good battery life for a powerhouse.  I buffed everything up, except for the RAM and HD's, since I could manually alter that later for cheaper.  Mine was like $1200 with everything maxed except memory and the HD's (and yes, I got an 8600gs in it <3<3)

--Terin
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Iaman on June 06, 2008, 10:12:13 pm
this is under 2000 and PERFECT
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/controller/e/na/LenovoPortal/en_US/catalog.workflow:category.details?current-catalog-id=12F0696583E04D86B9B79B0FEC01C087&current-category-id=329576204C9E42289967E79E0E7C9A2D

did I mention its a tablet as well :D
Yeah the Thinkpad X series is absolutely amazing, a good friend of mine has one and it works BEAUTIFULLY.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Seawed on June 06, 2008, 11:17:22 pm
Yeah the Thinkpad X series is absolutely amazing, a good friend of mine has one and it works BEAUTIFULLY.

I can't help but feel that it might be kind of flimsy by the "180 degree" motion thing. Just how durable is this?
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: headphonics on June 06, 2008, 11:41:21 pm
Well, Thinkpads are business class notebooks I think, and I've always heard they're very durable!  That thing doesn't have a trackpad though which is pretty annoying, and also I sort of question the usefulness of a tablet to begin with.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Iaman on June 07, 2008, 12:08:39 am
I can't help but feel that it might be kind of flimsy by the "180 degree" motion thing. Just how durable is this?
My friend regularly lifts it up by a little nub on the top of the screen and he's dropped it several times.  The things are damn durable.

EDIT:
Well, Thinkpads are business class notebooks I think, and I've always heard they're very durable!  That thing doesn't have a trackpad though which is pretty annoying, and also I sort of question the usefulness of a tablet to begin with.
Wunderbread's planning on using it for digital art and so the tablet, while obviously not a full featured tablet, is still a very nice addition.

Also apparently Starcraft is pretty fun with the tablet.  Just saying.
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: ATARI on June 07, 2008, 02:19:06 am
well pretty much anything in the high end of lenovo is designed to take a tough beating, since lenovo is pretty much considered to be a high end business laptop  company.  their products are designed with like frames that are able to fall and stuff and still work.  I was considering one when I was doing laptop searching, but ultimately went with MBP.  (The higher end lenovo's do have comparable GPUs to the MBP, but they are optimised for design applications and stuff and won't work well with games unless you get special hacked drivers from like laptop2go or something)
Title: College Laptop Time
Post by: Mama Luigi on June 07, 2008, 04:51:11 am
hey you're not too bright are you!
hey now

To be honest, I am a gamer and a graphic artist so good video graphics on the go and plenty of RAM are more important to me than weight (heaven forbid I get a bonus workout with my laptop).

Also yes I've heard the lenovo tablets are excellent.