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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: tomohawkjoe on June 08, 2008, 04:43:26 am
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Okay, you all know about the classic case with judas priest accused of causing a young boy's suicide by having subliminal messages in there song. And there was also the accusations with Ozzy. Why Am I bringing this up, well, a while back I saw more articles on "music related suicides". So my question to you is, do you really believe that music in itself could cause someone to kill themselves. Just to give you an example, a while back "emo" music was blamed for the suicide of Hannah Bond (http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/36468). So do you really believe that music could have been the cause? Do you think music could drive someone to take their life?
ALSO, Its 11:42 PM down here, not technically sunday, but I'm getting really fucking sleepy, so fuck it.
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DUDE HOLY FUCK this is really fucking funny because AT THIS MOMENT I'm listening to Bill Hick's rant on this exact Judas Priest issue. Wow, I have nothing to add, but wow crazy shit.
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I think some music could definately have a contributing factor to a persons general mentality sure if I listened to Decide and constantly read the lyrics I would be more inclined to hold satanic beliefs but I think to begin with you have to susceptible to that feeling in the first place.
I love the comments at the bottom of that article:
MCR is a band that want's to save peoples lives, NOT destroy them!!!!!!!!!
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I suppose if the person was already depressed or susceptible to such emotionally charged music, it could have some effect. Maybe not drive them all the way there, or specifically convince them to do so, but songs can be powerful to people. There's that song "Gloomy Sunday," of course, but most of the suicides are unconfirmed.
It's also a sad case when people follow there idols--I believe there were a few suicides following Kurt Cobain's.
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Eh, it seems like kind of a cop-out to blame stuff like 'the glamorisation of death' on music... I mean, that whole attitude of glorifying death and suicide has been around for centuries, and pops up everywhere from the tales of soldiers making desperate last stands (Thermopoli, Rourke's Drift and Little Bighorn, to name just three) to children's tales (check out http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/cgi/content/abstract/42/1/49 for a particularly creepy Victorian example). It would be a lot more productive to look at what causes that glamorisation in the first place, and also have a look at the problems with society that cause them, like the way status and success is prized above personal happiness and the stress caused by people trying to meet unrealistic expectations of stuf like body image and earning potential.
So yeah, I think music that glamorises suicide is just a byproduct of much larger problems, and I think it's dumb to just blame the music when it would probably just be a minor contributing factor at most. I'm not sure if it can be completely disregarded, since music can obviously have a powerful emotional impact on people, but it's still kinda silly to just go "hey, let's ignore any other factors that might have contributed to this death, MUSIC KILLED THIS GIRL".
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Kinda like how they blamed Rammstein and Marylin Manson for Columbine. I guess in a way it can have an effect but just the music itself isn't the reason.
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Kinda like how they blamed Rammstein and Marylin Manson for Columbine. I guess in a way it can have an effect but just the music itself isn't the reason.
Totally forgot about that. It honestly seems like an excuse to me when they say "THE MUSIC DID IT!?!" without looking at all the contributing factors to the suicide (and/or homicide).
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If I constantly listened to Rammstein and Marylin Manson I probally wouldn't be a very happy guy.
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I think that being unhappy can sometimes be one of the things that makes a person want to listen to "unhappy" music (note: not the ONLY thing that will do it, I listen to tons of unhappy music all the time and i am the happiest guy ever) and that in turn makes their unhappiness worse. But it is getting worse because they are wallowing not because the music is filling them with demons.
the music is filling me with demons.
So basically I agree with everybody else on gw BIG SURPRISE!
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Well I think part of it is like well I think like YESTERDAY is a really sad song but Marilyn Manson is really depressing and imo it's kind of the difference between sad music that makes you want to cry and angry music that doesn't really solve anything
I'm not sure which you mean by UNHAPPY music though because both are emotions other than happy
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angry music that doesn't really solve anything
Can you give me some more examples of this and why it doesn't solve anything? Wouldn't it be an opportunity to vent your frustration in a non violent manner.
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No, I don't think so, I think they would do it anyway. Well maybe it can act as some sort of trigger but only because they were in the mood in first place. The idea that satanic subliminal messages in music can control people like that sounds like an evil villain's plan to destroy the universe in a really bad film.
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I think that music doesn't make someone suicidal/evil/satanic etc, it's just that someone with those tendencies will listen to music that has them. It won't be the element that pushes them to the edge, a song won't make you commit suicide. Most people would also agree that you don't listen to sad music to make yourself sad etc. It's often empowering, you find hope within it and see that you're not alone. Aaron from My Dying Bride even said that even though his lyrics are often very bleak and negative, everything has some hope in it.
I find it interesting that in all these cases, all the artists that were blamed were popular. I've seen songs that are much worse than anything Manson, Priest and Rammstein have done put together. A great example would be suicidal black metal (let's not have a debate about how stupid the ideology behind the music is etc... maybe in another topic?). These bands openly encourage suicide through their imagery, their music and their lyrics yet I've never heard of someone killing themselves to this music. You could say the same thing about many doom metal bands too.
Anyways, I don't think music is what will make someone kill themselves.
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argh, stupid patethic people deserve to kill themselves.
basically if music makes them kill themselves, it could be a possible contributor, but it is not the music that makes these faggots pathetic in the first place.
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that's pretty offensive
people need to have something very wrong with them mentally if they're going to kill themselves, if you're in that situation it's not really something you can help regardless of how much of a COOL GUY you are
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Yeah what are you saying exactly? When someone has a father that molests them, a mum that drinks, basicially no employment or educational opportunities etc its pretty hard for them to think OH ITS GOING TO BE OKAY, because there isnt always an obvious way out. I think calling them pathetic is pretty single minded if that is indeed what you are saying.
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even beyond that, there's a lot of chemical shit in your brain that you have no control over that can lead someone to kill themselves. it's not something you have to worry about normally, but trauma and various diseases can change the entire way your mind works and it's really dumb to call the people subject to this stuff PATHETIC
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lets just try and defend Shep and say maybe he meant only the people who genuinely have one reason (emocut) and do it over music.
and even then no such Scotsmen exists so yes troll post :(