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Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Warlin on June 23, 2008, 07:00:49 am
Back around the early 1990's a game came out, Wolfenstien 3D. A game made by the software developer, id. This was not the first of it's kind but the controversy it created made it a very notable game. Wolfenstien, followed shortly after by Doom,(also made by id) really made the idea of a first person shooting game very appealing.

Everyone remembers when they were a kid, or maybe a teenager, the first FPSes. Increasingly around 1996, the term 'doom clone' was thrown around like a rag doll, but the number of uses of the word decreased as other, more exciting games came out that pretty much blew the shit out of doom. Games like Half-Life and Unreal Tournament really did the business right. They were amazing at the time and incredibly groundbreaking, just like the games that started it all. Now games like Doom, Half-Life, Quake, Marathon(for mac gamers), and Unreal are pretty much considered classics among people who have played and been through the games of the 90's.

FPSes are growing more and more popular and everyone knows that means there is an increase of assholes just trying to get a few bucks by suckering people into buying a horrible product... That and novice companies who actually put heart into their work but just don't quite make the mark... yet.

Sorry if I'm getting a little out of hand here, or if I'm not entirely accurate. In any case, it would be impossible to make this a poll. To my point, what is your favorite classic FPS and why?

I know this might be lame, but I must say, my favorite classic FPS is still Doom. Why? Because after a certain point in time, after you beat the game, there were always more levels to play. The style of the game was really amazing too, and it hardly ever got old if you played it in moderation. Today, there are a community of players who still play doom. Not as the original game but in ports that enhance the gameplay. The fact that the community is still strong is just more reason to keep playing.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Christophomicus on June 23, 2008, 08:10:00 am
Heretic is where it's at, man. I loved Heretic 'cause you had MAGIC and shit. Hexen comes a close second because you could use a sword, axe/mace (can't remember) or magic wand as well, iirc. I liked magical things when I was a young man. :>
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: GigasFist on June 23, 2008, 09:26:50 am
I was a big Marathon Infinity Player (Marathon 3) I'd spend hours doing nothing but killing endless respawns on a random level. I played the previous 2 (Marathon and Marathon 2: Durandal) All three of these games had some of the best storyline for any game rivaling that of major titles such as FF7

Among the best thing with Marathon however was the massive Modding Community thanks to the release of Anvil and Forge. We saw ridiculous Physics Models and some really fun custom Campaigns always adding in some fun stuff.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Eltee on June 23, 2008, 10:27:17 am
Do I really need to tell? I guess I do.

DooM. DooM was for me, is for me and will always be for me.

DooM.

DooM. I don't even care about anything else. DooM. Ok, that's a lie, but still: DooM.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Leric on June 23, 2008, 12:49:23 pm
Quote from: Christophomicus on June 23, 2008, 08:10:00 am
Heretic is where it's at, man. I loved Heretic 'cause you had MAGIC and shit. Hexen comes a close second because you could use a sword, axe/mace (can't remember) or magic wand as well, iirc. I liked magical things when I was a young man. :>
Pretty much this, I loved the Heretic series and I still play them regularly today.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: XxSylverxX on June 23, 2008, 01:28:33 pm
deffinetely quake, the original one. I spent so much time on that game, I think it was the super gritty atmosphere that did it.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Rowain on June 23, 2008, 01:51:01 pm
I still play Doom so.. Doom. I doubt there will ever be a time when I could say I AM NEVER PLAYING DOOM AGAIN. I wish I knew why even. They are very old at this point and lack any BELLS AND WHiSTLES and yet I still have a blast when I play them! I guess there is something very basic about them that is plain and simple fun.. no item management, no stats, no complex interplay between factions vying for control of something... it's just gameplay. I don't really believe in this sort of design for a game, but something about Doom makes me OK with it. Maybe it's the enemy design, maybe the atmosphere and surreal design of the levels, maybe even the GRUNTS AND GROANS of the enemies, idk! But Doom remains one of my favourite games even today!
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: goat on June 23, 2008, 04:38:27 pm
Tribes had to be one of my all time favorite multiplayer FPSes. All the weapons taking time to reach their target meant you pretty much had to lead everything, and with the amount of speed and height you got with the jetpack combined with "skiing" the terrain, they were some pretty intense battles.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: AdderallApocalypse on June 23, 2008, 05:09:37 pm
I guess the three Doom games? I still get spooked out to this day when a huge cyber demon is clicking around, not knowing what corner he is around. Oh and Marathon: Durandal is pretty fun, too.

Wait, if you are considering Half Liife, then that is definitely my favorite of the classics. It is actually one of my favorite games of all time.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on June 23, 2008, 08:18:09 pm
I find Quake to still be relevant and playable even now. I still have the original CD and case for it.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: ATARI on June 23, 2008, 08:54:20 pm
Quote from: goat on June 23, 2008, 04:38:27 pm
Tribes had to be one of my all time favorite multiplayer FPSes. All the weapons taking time to reach their target meant you pretty much had to lead everything, and with the amount of speed and height you got with the jetpack combined with "skiing" the terrain, they were some pretty intense battles.

Tribes was absolutely amazing.  We need more FPSes with jet packs
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Bravo on June 24, 2008, 05:01:48 am
I'm constantly surprised by the amount of people that enjoy Doom. Question: Do you also like Wolfenstein 3D? Because those two are very similar from what I remember.


My favorite....well, I'm not really a fan of FPS so I would have to say that I like/hate them all equally. no FPS has ever captured my fancy too much (well, with the exception of The World is not Enough for n64, but that was years ago, and coming back to it its actually a really limited game, but still fun.)
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Warped655 on June 24, 2008, 05:08:50 am
Duke Nukem 3D is my favorite 'classic' FPS that are with in the shell of '2.5D' graphics.

If your talking actual 3D but low-poly my favorite would be... hmmm... Half life, despite the fact that I didn't play it back when it was new... in fact the first time I did play through it was this year. And I liked Red faction a lot.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Lainge on June 24, 2008, 08:31:13 am
Deffinately Doom, gotta love the BFG...
Some friends and I were playing a group game at school last year. Damn that was awesome, I really want to play it now. But I don't have it any more.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Ax_Dude on June 24, 2008, 09:19:37 am
Blood,
I loved that you played a Sadistic Undead Cowboy.
And the bit where he comes across the body of his wife and yells "SHOW YOURSELF DEMON"
that was pretty powerful stuff back in the day.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Apathy on June 24, 2008, 10:09:36 am
I used to play all these with my father, mainly Wolfenstein and Doom. The best thing about both of them though was the difficulty selection and the health indicator, those type of things are etched into my mind.   

When you have a bow and arrow does 'Ultima Underworld: The Stygian Abyss' count as an fps because that was epic. I remember that thing had like 12 floppy disks for installation.


You've probably heard of this:
http://doom.chaosforge.org/
(Doom the Rogue-like - The music and everything brought back so many memories)

But this is pretty new to me (even though its like a year old):
http://ds.qj.net/tags/libfat/5923
(Wolfenstein 3d - Ds Port - I guess the new ones out already so id look at little later on).

Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Lars on June 24, 2008, 07:57:50 pm
Duke and Rise of the Triad were both pretty badass. Never really liked Doom too much but I did play it quite a bit.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: jman00 on June 24, 2008, 09:35:11 pm
Goldeneye 007, good Campaign mode, and best multiplayer of all time!
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on June 25, 2008, 12:25:48 am
I didn't think anyone else played Rise of the Triad here. It's the first multiplayer (network) game I've ever played. Good shit... though the ending is kind of disturbing.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Liquid Ocelot on June 25, 2008, 02:22:17 am
I played Doom, Quake 64, and own Golden Eye 007. My personal fav: Golden Eye.

Edit: I forgot to say, Unreal Tourney was my other fav as it got me into online gaming and is 1000x better than halo in my opinion.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Eltee on June 25, 2008, 10:59:32 am
Quote from: Ax_Dude on June 24, 2008, 09:19:37 am
Blood,
I loved that you played a Sadistic Undead Cowboy.
And the bit where he comes across the body of his wife and yells "SHOW YOURSELF DEMON"
that was pretty powerful stuff back in the day.

Oh god yes Ax Dude. Blood was my favorite Build Engine game (followed by Shadow Warrior, making Duke 3D actually my less favorite build engine game) It's such a blast, but it's so much harder than the other two.

Also, Bravo, I sure do like Wolfenstein. I find myself sucking major ass when I try to replay it now, but when I was REALLY YOUNG (don't ask me why, I was what, 7, 8 or 9 at that time) I fucking RULED at Wolf3D and fucking BEAT IT.


On the subject of DooM's simplicity and great feeling, I guess it doesn't catch on to people these days. One time I tried getting some asian dude in it (he was I think 13-14 at the time and I was 14-15). I grew up with DooM(literally) and so I was pretty used to it, but after a while his comments were just

DUDE WTF? I CAN RUN AT 700MPH AND MY PISTOLS HOLDS 200 BULLETS WITHOUT RELOADING THIS MAKES NO SENSE

WHAT A GAY GAME

So yeah, I think if you didn't fall into the old fps craze when it was still boiling hot, you might have more trouble getting into DooM and the likes. Though, the DooM community was full of 10-11-12-13 year olds a few years back. Terrifyingly full of them, actually.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Zarad Yachy on June 25, 2008, 12:27:29 pm
Golden Eye 007 would have to be my top choice... with Duke Nukem games being a close second.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: mar77a on June 25, 2008, 02:58:10 pm
Descent, if that counts :)
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Fleetway on June 25, 2008, 03:19:24 pm
Doom 2 for me. I mean, its kinda the same as Doom... But better :P
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Blitzen on June 25, 2008, 03:46:58 pm
I can't remember how many days me and my brother and the neighbours would sit around and play Goldeneye 007 after school. Its memories like that that show you which games had the biggest impact on your life.

It has its issues, but as basically the first console multiplayer FPS, it really broke ground.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Lars on June 25, 2008, 04:07:23 pm
yea goldeneye was an absolutely brilliant game at the time and imo has held up very well over the years. everything just feels right
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: goat on June 27, 2008, 01:40:21 am
Quote from: KBJGXLM on June 25, 2008, 12:25:48 am
I didn't think anyone else played Rise of the Triad here. It's the first multiplayer (network) game I've ever played. Good shit... though the ending is kind of disturbing.

I networked two of my PCs with BNC cable just to be able to play Doom and ROTT. Over heeeeere. BEHIND JA!

Quote from: mar77a on June 25, 2008, 02:58:10 pm
Descent, if that counts :)

SOME people consider it a "flight simulator", but I too consider it a "no gravity" fps. It's not too different from of Crysis. It was my first truely multiplayer game, and I remember how overwhelmed I felt on a 8 player game on Kali (anyone remember Kali? the place to go for MW2 games online). Descent also had some of the best midi music I've ever heard, right up there with the original doom. And it's sequel's CD audio was some of the best techno-metal to come from a video game.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Avatar on June 30, 2008, 06:38:29 pm
Easily Marathon Infinity
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Eltee on July 01, 2008, 07:56:50 am
Quote from: goat on June 27, 2008, 01:40:21 am
I networked two of my PCs with BNC cable just to be able to play Doom and ROTT. Over heeeeere. BEHIND JA!

SOME people consider it a "flight simulator", but I too consider it a "no gravity" fps. It's not too different from of Crysis. It was my first truely multiplayer game, and I remember how overwhelmed I felt on a 8 player game on Kali (anyone remember Kali? the place to go for MW2 games online). Descent also had some of the best midi music I've ever heard, right up there with the original doom. And it's sequel's CD audio was some of the best techno-metal to come from a video game.


Wasn't Descent mod music? Or something the like, at least.

Sorta like UT.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Sabin Stargem on July 02, 2008, 12:43:14 am
My favorite is Thief, which is followed by System Shock.  Both had top-notch atmospheres, and the former definitely had interesting gameplay for me.  There was a definate sense of danger in thief, because your avatar was very weak in the physical sense, so you had to be careful or go the way of the dodo. 
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: flyingserpent on July 02, 2008, 02:24:45 am
doom hands down


and the original few "aliens" games weren't horrible fps
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: PTizzle on July 03, 2008, 03:09:17 am
Quote from: KBJGXLM on June 25, 2008, 12:25:48 am
I didn't think anyone else played Rise of the Triad here. It's the first multiplayer (network) game I've ever played. Good shit... though the ending is kind of disturbing.


I think it went by a bit unnoticed, sadly.

Still, Rise of the Triad and Wolfenstein 3D were my FPS games of choice back in the day. I remember that I didn't really understand network gaming and I used to make a network game and wander around in the levels collecting things in RotT, wondering why there weren't any enemies. Good times! The main game was awesome as well, pretty gory from memory. I wish I could remember the ending but I've totally forgotten.

Wolfenstein was the first I played (shortly before Doom) and I always loved it for whatever reason. The low quality sound samples, collecting Nazi treasure, fighting mecha-Hitler, it was all great. I had Spear of Destiny too (expansion pack) and I think that bumped it up to around 6 episodes, can't remember that well though. Finished all of them which was quite an achievment for me when I was younger. Great game. I've been looking for the GBA port to see if it holds up nowadays but it must've been a tiny release.

Bloodshot aka Battle Frenzy for Sega Genesis was one of the first console FPS games I played and I loved it. From memory it had a 'vs mode' that was actually co-op, but you were in competition to kill more enemies or something. Still, it was one of the first co-op games I'd played and even a few months ago me and a mate had a blast at it for an hour or so. It wasn't a very remarkable game bar the multiplayer, but it was solid enough and I have good memores with it.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: theHunter on July 03, 2008, 05:43:04 am
Quote from: Mr. L on June 23, 2008, 10:27:17 am
Do I really need to tell? I guess I do.

DooM. DooM was for me, is for me and will always be for me.

DooM.

DooM. I don't even care about anything else. DooM. Ok, that's a lie, but still: DooM.

I didnt play Doom until like 1999(2000-01 might be more accurate) or something but I thought it was the shit.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Kezay on July 03, 2008, 06:00:25 am
I'm in the Goldeneye/ Duke Nukem boat myself.  Goldeneye 007 primarily because it's single player was great and it's multiplayer even moreso.  That was THE party game throughout my junior high years.  As for Duke Nukem, a friend invited me over to play it way back when and I was pretty hooked.  We always hung out at each other's houses often and one night we had a sleep over and just played the game off and on.  I eventually got the N64 game and we played co-op through that all the time. (at least until Goldeneye came around :P)
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: dethmetal on July 03, 2008, 07:24:47 pm
I love Doom 2. I still play it all the time online (Thanks to SkullTag). Some other classics I love are Duke Nukem 3D, Goldeneye, and Perfect Dark.
Also, did anyone ever play Damage Incorporated? It's a classic FPS that uses the Marathon 2 engine. I'm pretty sure it was also the first FPS where you played a marine in a modern, realistic setting, with real weapons. It's also really good.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on July 03, 2008, 07:45:19 pm
is it actually spelled DooM like that one guy and the title screen says or was that just for style.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Eltee on July 03, 2008, 09:21:18 pm
It's just for style as far as I know. Also, DAMN, FINALLY. Somebody says Perfect Dark. Am I the only one who thinks Perfect Dark blows Goldeneye out of the water?


We need to Skulltag someday dethmetal..
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Kezay on July 04, 2008, 03:52:34 am
Quote from: Mr. L on July 03, 2008, 09:21:18 pm
It's just for style as far as I know. Also, DAMN, FINALLY. Somebody says Perfect Dark. Am I the only one who thinks Perfect Dark blows Goldeneye out of the water?


We need to Skulltag someday dethmetal..

If its framerate didn't suck balls it definitely would be leagues ahead of Goldeneye.  At its core I'd certainly say it was better due to all the gameplay modes and actual bots when your pals weren't around, but all of that is shot to hell when the thing is struggling to maintain a playable framerate.  I think the only map where I remember having  a smooth gameplay session is the one at that villa or whatever the stage was with that lodge/house area.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Sarevok on July 04, 2008, 05:03:19 am
If I am to talk from nostalgia's viewpoint, then it would be a combination of Wolfenstein 3d, Goldeneye/Perfect Dark(basically the same game) and Quake 2.

However having played each of those games again in 2008, the ONLY ONE of the entire list I actually found even remotely playable for more than 5 minutes was Quake 2. All the others have aged so badly and are just really drab and dull. Quake 2 looks pretty bad these days, and it's damn simple, but it's a really good romp and I still find myself occassionally booting it up and running through it from start to finish in one sitting.

Honourable FP's' mentions would be System Shock 2, Thief 1/2 and Unreal 2. The first three are great - even today -  but it's hard to categorise them as classic FPS games, and Unreal 2 is a damn fine game from start to finish, but it's not really worth playing more than once. Except of course spiders + flamethrowers = OH MY GOD GENIUS LEVEL DESIGN YESSSSSS
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: AdderallApocalypse on July 04, 2008, 05:43:09 am
Perfect Dark is a lot better than Goldeneye. Campaign mode? Perfect Dark has a slightly better campaign. The multiplayer, PD's is much better. Though Goldeneye has some things going for it, I prefer some of the maps in goldeneye more, and it doesn't have the framerate problem.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Eltee on July 04, 2008, 07:27:36 am
I guess I'm not very picky, but the framerate didn't ever bother me at all. Sure it wasn't always fluid but


damn, it was hot.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: AdderallApocalypse on July 04, 2008, 10:55:08 am
It was a minor annoyance for me, though I only played by myself and(rarely) a friend would play with me.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: randomuser83 on July 10, 2008, 12:42:36 am
Doom by far was my favorite old school.  Of the "newer" FPS's, I always like CS (most people do) and Goldeneye is my classic right there.  Playing the crap out of that game for a couple summers after it came out.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Parker on July 10, 2008, 01:02:44 am
There was this Chex cereal FPS that came in one of the cereal boxes. It was so rad.



HOLY CRAP. CHEX QUEST.
http://www.caiman.us/scripts/fw/f1411.html

And it's free. I'm going to play this now. Fight Chex monsters with Sporks.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Warlin on July 10, 2008, 06:20:54 am
Quote from: JOJOFACE on July 10, 2008, 01:02:44 am
There was this Chex cereal FPS that came in one of the cereal boxes. It was so rad.
N-not that it comes as a big surprise, but for anyone who didn't know or who likes to skim a lot, Chex Quest was built off of
the doom engine. Never played it personally, only because it looks... well horrible.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Eltee on July 10, 2008, 06:24:41 am
Warlin you are a disappointment. Chex Quest is awesome.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Bobberticus on July 10, 2008, 07:07:25 am
Golden eye is one of the only FPS games (ever) that I have gotten into
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Kezay on July 12, 2008, 06:27:15 am
Quote from: Bobberticus on July 10, 2008, 07:07:25 am
Golden eye is one of the only FPS games (ever) that I have gotten into

If you own any console from the last generation (save for the Dreamcast) or this generation (save for the 40 GB PS3) track down a copy of Timesplitters: Future Perfect.

Enjoy!
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: GigasFist on July 12, 2008, 07:09:52 am
Quote from: Kezay on July 12, 2008, 06:27:15 am
If you own any console from the last generation (save for the Dreamcast) or this generation (save for the 40 GB PS3) track down a copy of Timesplitters: Future Perfect.

Enjoy!

This. Time Splitters has some of the most enjoyable multi-player on an FPS.
Title: Favorite Classic FPS
Post by: Ravey on July 16, 2008, 01:38:06 pm
Interesting topic... I think it's really hard to choose a favourite FPS game though.

Quote
Blood | Call of Duty | Codename: Eagle | Deus Ex | DooM | Duke Nukem 3D | Enemy Territory | Ghost Recon | 007: Goldeneye | Half-Life | Heretic | Hexen | Hidden & Dangerous | Kingpin: Life of Crime | No One Lives Forever | Outlaw | Perfect Dark | Quake | Rainbow Six | Shadow Warrior | Strife | System Shock | Team Fortress | Thief | TimeSplitters | Starsiege: Tribes | True Combat: Elite | Unreal Tournament | Wolfenstein

Goldeneye | Perfect Dark | TimeSplitters | No One Lives Forever
Perfect Dark / No One Lives Forever
Codename: Eagle | Enemy Territory | Team Fortress | Starsiege: Tribes
Team Fortress / Starsiege: Tribes
Wolfenstein | DooM | Hexen | Heretic | Shadow Warrior | Blood | Outlaw
DooM / Duke Nukem 3D
Call of Duty | Ghost Recon | Hidden & Dangerous | Rainbow Six | True Combat: Elite
Call of Duty / Rainbow Six
Strife | Deus Ex | System Shock | Thief
Deus Ex / Thief
Duke Nukem 3D | Quake | Half-Life | Unreal Tournament | Kingpin: Life of Crime
Duke Nukem 3D / Quake