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Witch Doctor looks incredible.
Man, will you guys seriously stop jizzing over this so much? I liked the Diablo series too but fuck, everywhere I go people are all OMG OMG DIABLO OMFG!!!!!!!! and other shit, its a good game, but fuck calm down.gamer's :tsk:
Since these were live steams I'm guessing I can't see that shit anymore. Anywhere else I can see it?
Man, will you guys seriously stop jizzing over this so much? I liked the Diablo series too but fuck, everywhere I go people are all OMG OMG DIABLO OMFG!!!!!!!! and other shit, its a good game, but fuck calm down.
Man, will you guys seriously stop jizzing over this so much? I liked the Diablo series too but fuck, everywhere I go people are all OMG OMG DIABLO OMFG!!!!!!!! and other shit, its a good game, but fuck calm down.
So I'm watching the gameplay video and seriously, what is so amazing about this? It looks like any other dungeon crawler ever.
RED ORBS GIVE HEALTH OH MY GOD
A TREASURE CHEST IS... A TRAP!?
I admit that the graphics looks really good though, but I can't help but think that the gameplay will get boring really quickly.
So I'm watching the gameplay video and seriously, what is so amazing about this? It looks like any other dungeon crawler ever.While I agree that it doesn't look like anything extraordinary, you could use this reasoning for 99% of hyped games.
RED ORBS GIVE HEALTH OH MY GOD
A TREASURE CHEST IS... A TRAP!?
I admit that the graphics looks really good though, but I can't help but think that the gameplay will get boring really quickly.
Diablo isn't an MMO.Yeah I just realized what I said was completely off. Well like Starcraft, it's one of the few in its genre that I actually play.
What is it with Blizzard and reviving old classics and randomly announcing them with such surprise that hype automatically become enormous around them.
Now they've come back full circle.Not until Warcraft 4, I think!
i found diablo 1 and 2 rather boring so yeah!
me too, i liked it at first (diablo 2, never played 1), but eventually everything was just too...DARK
this may be a weird thing but i just have a hard time playing games where it feels like it's constantly 3 AM in-game...where's the goddamn sun?
I don't understand why people blow their load over this or, say, Megaman 9 being announced. Both are just true to their roots updates of classic franchises. In fact, both make a SELLING POINT of being true to their roots. The developers aren't even taking the angle of REINVENTING their intellectual property. I can understand being happy or excited, because it means you're getting fresh content and much needed modernization to something that you love but I DON'T understand excitement to the degree that I'm seeing here. Frankly, I thought Titan Quest did a fantastic job updating the Diablo formula like three years ago so I am even less FLOORED because we've already had a good 3D hack and slash with physics and all that crap.
I'm not trying to shit on anyone's parade but as BJB said, calm the fuck down!
I think it looks cool but there are some disappointing things about it.
I don't like the new health bars. The health bars for all monsters should be like the heath bars on the bosses. The bars right above the monsters head are annoying because they pop in and out right above where you are fighting. Also, those mini health bars don't have any room to show monster resistances and other things like that.
I also don't like the inventory screen, I really hope they bring back the traditional grid based inventory. From what I could tell the inventory panel only held equipment, and items went else where.
I really don't care about the skill bar, d2 had a ton of configurable hotkeys so that was never a problem. I do miss the potion bar. I am assuming they replaced it with an auto potion consuming button, that picks the right potion for you. Only concen with that is the other types of potions, like poison and thawing.
They also lost a lot of the darkness you get when you play d2, all and all, this game reminds me of a better dungeon siege 2. They have a lot to live up to if they want to create diablo 3. I really can't wait to see the skill tree.
edit: Oh, I also don't like the lack of loot dropping, it probably has something to do with the new crappy inventory screen.
Titan quest was bad because all the enemies were the same, it became incredibly boring and was a chore to beat. Also the skills & skill tree were nothing special.
This will probably be a toggle imo.I doubt that is the kind of the thing they would make toggle. Why would they have an option with no critical information. The point I was getting at is that new non elite monsters don't have resistances like they should (in hell and nightmare I am talking).
That was the character sheet, it works like in WoW basically or whatever. Character sheet with your currently equipped items & stats, and inventory elsewhere.no it wasn't. The character sheet has character stats and the place to spend status points. That was most definitely an equipment screen, and it only showed wearable items so I am assuming they split it up with tabs for equipable and non equipable. This is dumb, old inventory system was a lot better.
It was just a bright area, D2 had them too.I was talking about cathedral level, which is a dungeon, which was very bright. There are 0 bright dungeons in other diablo games.
Loot dropped in that vid, so idk what you're talking about? He didn't hold down the alt key a lot though.Barely any dropped man, do you even remember playing d2? I am starting to think you never played............
It's not REVOLUTIONARY or anything. I mean the guy in the gameplay vid acts like it though. "OH MAN THEY'LL BE COMPANIONS FOREVER NOTHING WILL HAPPEN TO THEM... OH SHIT DID THAT PROGRAMMED WALL JUST FALL ON THEM!!!"It is not supposed to be revolutionary. Look at wow, it wasn't revolutionary, it was just very well made and very polished. It brought a lot of life into the mmorpg genre. Blizzard makes games that are extremely polished and extremely playable. Think of all the shitty diablo clones that came and went, meanwhile people are still playing d2. So, in diablo 3 I expect to have a game that is very playable and a lot of fun, something that will last another 7 years.
I was talking about cathedral level, which is a dungeon, which was very bright. There are 0 bright dungeons in other diablo games.
Barely any dropped man, do you even remember playing d2? I am starting to think you never played............
OH SHIT DID THAT PROGRAMMED WALL JUST FALL ON THEM!!!"
It is not supposed to be revolutionary. Look at wow, it wasn't revolutionary, it was just very well made and very polished. It brought a lot of life into the mmorpg genre. Blizzard makes games that are extremely polished and extremely playable. Think of all the shitty diablo clones that came and went, meanwhile people are still playing d2. So, in diablo 3 I expect to have a game that is very playable and a lot of fun, something that will last another 7 years.
i know a lot of people like that. :(
idk, i think if diablo was like BRIGHT BRIGHT all the time it wouldn't be as good. It's definitely part of the atmosphere. There was a few bright areas in D2 (Act 2, Act 4 (or was it 5?))
And they won't let me see the trailer and gameplay vids for DIII because I'm not...old enough? Is Diablo rated Adult now, or do I just fail? I probably just fail. Fuck.Who actually puts their real age in there anymore?
Who actually puts their real age in there anymore?
I am way more pumped for SC2 than this, but I'm just happy there's actually going to be a 3rd one. It should have been obvious after SC2, though.
My guess is they will make multiple expansions since you will most likely be playing this game online for free.
It is not supposed to be revolutionary. Look at wow, it wasn't revolutionary, it was just very well made and very polished. It brought a lot of life into the mmorpg genre. Blizzard makes games that are extremely polished and extremely playable. Think of all the shitty diablo clones that came and went, meanwhile people are still playing d2. So, in diablo 3 I expect to have a game that is very playable and a lot of fun, something that will last another 7 years.well no but the guy (developer??) talking in the video keeps acting like it is sooooooo... :fogetmmh:
yeah okay i just watched the GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE or w/e and it actually looks pretty uninteresting. maybe i will still play it because if you watch someone playing the first two, they both look pretty goddamn uninteresting too, but yeah. i have no idea why you guys are like OHGOD!!! *CUMS IN PANTS* over what appears to be another completely generic pc dungeon crawler! even the visuals aren't wildly interesting.Well mate, this is what I was saying too and handsome lamb said that Diablo's appeal is in how polished it and how it has a deeper level of customization, apparently. I don't know because I got tired of Diablo 2 pretty quickly but that's how it is with WoW, pretty much. Then again, I still can't see Diablo being as interesting as something like WoW because multiplayer or not, I don't see Diablo being anything else than hacking your way through fuckloads of enemies and that's all the trailer was.
seriously i am always astounded by the shit that ends up getting RABID COVERAGE from gaming sites/magazines.
Well mate, this is what I was saying too and handsome lamb said that Diablo's appeal is in how polished it and how it has a deeper level of customization, apparently. I don't know because I got tired of Diablo 2 pretty quickly but that's how it is with WoW, pretty much. Then again, I still can't see Diablo being as interesting as something like WoW because multiplayer or not, I don't see Diablo being anything else than hacking your way through fuckloads of enemies and that's all the trailer was.yeah I mean that's there too for sure, but any way you slice it you're a barbarian//sorcerer//who even fucking cares running through a dank undead-infested dungeon using the same moves on like hundreds of enemies at the time. I GUESS it's polished but is POLISH really enough to make a game good? a boring, repetitive game is what it is, polish or not. there's a decent amount of customization in diablo and that's good but yeah, I guess I just don't agree that polish/stat management somehow takes a mediocre, one-note dungeon crawler from uninteresting to OHGOD AMAZING!
There's even a still sizeable community playing WarCraft 2 even after all these years.
yeah I mean that's there too for sure, but any way you slice it you're a barbarian//sorcerer//who even fucking cares running through a dank undead-infested dungeon using the same moves on like hundreds of enemies at the time. I GUESS it's polished but is POLISH really enough to make a game good? a boring, repetitive game is what it is, polish or not. there's a decent amount of customization in diablo and that's good but yeah, I guess I just don't agree that polish/stat management somehow takes a mediocre, one-note dungeon crawler from uninteresting to OHGOD AMAZING!
what about NO BRIGHT ENVIRONMENTS? i remember lut gholein being in bright daylight.
I tried to play Diablo 2 a year ago but I couldn't get into it at all. It was just too dated................... I don't know why but I've had the same feeling with Fallout 2. Now that the formula is getting updated I guess that could help me enjoy the diablo franchise more.
perhaps it's the latest game 'fashion' lately for games to go back to the old school. Diablo III hasn't progressed and is still the old school hack/slash, Megaman 9 is back in 8-bit graphics, Starcraft II hasn't evolved much and neither has Street Fighter IV. They all seem to be sticking with the old.i think it might have more to do with the fact that each of these games have rabidly old-fashioned fanbases who would probably CRY BLOODY MURDER at change than it actually being a fashion.
i think it might have more to do with the fact that each of these games have rabidly old-fashioned fanbases who would probably CRY BLOODY MURDER at change than it actually being a fashion.
Have they said if it will be pay to play or not?
yeah okay i just watched the GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE or w/e and it actually looks pretty uninteresting. maybe i will still play it because if you watch someone playing the first two, they both look pretty goddamn uninteresting too, but yeah. i have no idea why you guys are like OHGOD!!! *CUMS IN PANTS* over what appears to be another completely generic pc dungeon crawler! even the visuals aren't wildly interesting.
seriously i am always astounded by the shit that ends up getting RABID COVERAGE from gaming sites/magazines.
Have they said if it will be pay to play or not?
I've never played it, but it sounds like a mixture of Titan Quest and NWN. So, should I buy Diablo 3 it because the first in the series was the first generic dungeon crawler?
I wasn't one of the ones talking about Diablo 2 being generic (even though I didn't enjoy it much), but what I want to know is what Diablo 2's innovation matters in Diablo 3...the things D2 created are pretty standard now, and even though it's because of D2, unless D3 steps up and continues the tradition of being innovative (if D3 set a new standard for PC RPGs), then what keeps it from being generic by today's standards?
Once again I'm not saying it is going to be generic because I haven't seen too much about it, I am just saying D2's innovations don't really give us much to assume about D3.
Yeah, Blizzard always make sure they do something to re-create the genre, instead of making sequels for no reason (i.e. Bioware).
Personally, I always enjoyed Diablo over MMORPGs because I like the feeling of accomplishing the story rather than "GO FIND MY HAIRPIN LOL".
Blizzard has 3 successful game franchises, what more do you want?How about an new, original game? 1998 was the last time they made an original game, and lets face it, Starcraft is pretty much just Warcraft in space.
How about an new, original game? 1998 was the last time they made an original game, and lets face it, Starcraft is pretty much just Warcraft in space.
They pretty much have what they do covered?So they are good at what they do, I won't argue with that(I do actually like WarCraft and StarCraft, hell i even like Rock & Roll Racing), but I don't see why that means they can't make a new one. With their track record I would expect it to be pretty good at least.
I don't know what you're saying, I guess. Why should they leave their element for the sake of "making a new original game?" They are good at MMORPGs (WoW.), RTS (WC, SC), and Dungeon Crawlers (Diablo), and probably platformers when you factor in Blackthorne and Lost Vikings. Their racing game was totally average. They stick to what they know, and there's not much they can do in either of what they know without being too samey with what they already make.
EDIT:
Also StarCraft is way more than WarCraft in Space. They focus on two completely different RTS factors, especially with WarCraft 3 and StarCraft. One is more micro, the other is more macro.
So they are good at what they do, I won't argue with that(I do actually like WarCraft and StarCraft, hell i even like Rock & Roll Racing), but I don't see why that means they can't make a new one. With their track record I would expect it to be pretty good at least.
SC may be quite a bit different from WC3, but not so much WC2 which was the game I was referring to.
It's fairly different in that WC2 used generic RTS elements all the way through and made them perfected (neither faction has anything unique for it besides different units) and SC has different races. ie: Terrans floating ships and nukes, Zerg multiple spawn units and infestation, Protess shields and mind control which basically created the first mastered and well balanced RTS with multiple races that were more than just reskins and changed numbers.Yes I know the differences between the games and they did a great job with both, but SC was still not a big departure from WC2(WC3 did a pretty good job of this though).
What I was saying was that the only reason they do these things good is because that is what the people working there are experienced in. They already have experience in RPGs (Diablo), so going to an MMORPG isn't that much of a stretch if you research the games (which they did.). There just really isn't that much they can do in what they know that won't be samey, and when they try to do what they don't know it gets canned because it's shit which isn't acceptable for them (see: StarCraft: Ghost.). They also only have really one big lore guy who is juggling 3 lores already. All their games have big lores.Wasn't ghost being made by someone else(I think it even changed teams a couple times)?
I'm pretty sure it will innovate the genre more and they haven't released these things (the lead guy said there is a lot more to come) simply because Blizzard never releases a product unless if its going to be different in some way. Look at how vastly different all 3 warcrafts are, or SC1 and SC2, etc. They always push the envelope in some way.this is kinda suspect because literally everything we've seen and everything that faggot narrator in the trailer said points to exactly the opposite. the previous two games didn't really CHANGE as you progressed through them, so when all i hear from him is barbarians with awesome raw strength and also you use the same abilities over and over while killing hundreds of zombies in uninspired locales, i'm inclined to think it doesn't go much deeper than that.
Wasn't ghost being made by someone else(I think it even changed teams a couple times)?
this is kinda suspect because literally everything we've seen and everything that faggot narrator in the trailer said points to exactly the opposite. the previous two games didn't really CHANGE as you progressed through them, so when all i hear from him is barbarians with awesome raw strength and also you use the same abilities over and over while killing hundreds of zombies in uninspired locales, i'm inclined to think it doesn't go much deeper than that.
also, saying it'll be different/relevant because blizzard is great and always adds stuff/pushes the envelope is a little silly, because they don't, really. i mean, they add a BARE MINIMUM amount of stuff and push the envelope in the most superficial ways possible, but the handful of uninspired new features they're probably going to add won't stop this from just being a rehash of a decade-old game that only people who already somehow still love diablo will try to justify as PUSHING THE ENVELOPE. i can see the sequence of events that's going to take place like a year down the road or whatever very clearly, and it is just diablo 3 comes out, is virtually identical to diablo 2 except for some minor changes, diablo fans laud it as another successful attempt by blizzard to both innovate and reinvent the genre when it's essentially just a remake with a new graphical sheen and a couple new features that do absolutely nothing to change the core gameplay or alleviate the intense repetition and all around one-notery of the game. i'm looking forward to it, actually!
One thing that bugs me about this game is that they took Diablo in the exact same direction Flagship took Mythos... D3 even has a lot of the tweaks that Mythos makes to the forumla like the loot system.
It also looks like they took alot of design choices from Mythos as well.
I'm semi excited about D3, never really played the first two (by the time I played D2 it was already too old of a game and couldn't keep me entertained). That being said, knowing D3 is a long while away, can anybody recommend me any PC dungeon crawlers? Preferably something that can be played online with friends, preferably free or easy to pirate.
you should buy D2 because it is EL CHEAPO and anyone who pirates it will basically be completely missing the entire point of the game.
What is crappy about it? I think the game is very playable and very polished, even today. I am assuming you are just talking about the graphics?
you should buy D2 because it is EL CHEAPO and anyone who pirates it will basically be completely missing the entire point of the game.
internet in d2 was great but the entire point? i don't think so
and either way, if you warez it and get people to play with, USE HAMACHI.
you don't want to mix with the bnet population these days anyway. oh god no you don't.
sweet god.
Lots of stuff people like in WoW wouldn't exist without diablo, as handsome lamb said they brought a lot of new elements to the table. We are excited because it is a fucking legacy.
internet in d2 was great but the entire point? i don't think so
and either way, if you warez it and get people to play with, USE HAMACHI.
you don't want to mix with the bnet population these days anyway. oh god no you don't.
sweet god.
ya like the GRIND lololo
You haven't lived until you've grinded out 256 Gul runes from doing the Hellforge quest over and over just so you can craft the highest rune or wait for it to drop lolz. (which might never happen in your lifetime for you pretty much)
but QFT. Each of the Diablo games have always pushed the genre and envelope with stuff that everyone else decides to copy, and I can't wait to see what Diablo 3 will add to that.
man who warez Diablo, seriously. it costs like 4$. For both. <.<
I guess if you never plan on experiencing the real part of the game, then sure. But pretty much the game is entirely built around the min/max, competitive, and trading communities, all of which exist online only. Playing with friends cooperatively to experience the areas etc is cool, but you're missing out on the best parts of the game.
If I wanted to grind and worry about min/max, I'd probably play a better game for it. Don't say it's the best part of the game, when that's just the best part of the game FOR YOU. Only reason I want to play the game is to go through dungeons and slaughter shit with my friends. But I'll probably try a different game until D3 comes out.
for me and pretty much everyone who plays online on the ladder. This is pretty much what the multiplayer is about is those 3 things, and I'm not really talking about the people who group to kill monsters because while that's obviously what the game is "about" at face value, you are severly missing out on the best parts of the game, which is building a character to be its best. There's a whole metagame beneath the game to touch. If it was just me I wouldn't say it, but there are a ton of communities built around it, the ladder got reset so that is equally true now, and well, basically the majority of people who play the game online really. And I'm not even counting the french, which get really really hardcore on it.
it's like trying to tell me the best part of StarCraft is not analyzing the maps and building unique strategies to counteract your opponent with micro/macro and knowing the exact metagame for each map with the exact way each unit from all 3 races interact with each unit on the competitive level like the Koreans and everyone who bothers to play competitively seriously does. It is the best part, and it is what StarCraft is known for, being the most balanced RTS to date. That isn't to say there isn't people who just play the single player, or just play with friends, but you are basically missing the best part of the game, and what the heart of the game is about. Yes, there is other stuff to do in StarCraft besides the highly competitive parts to it, and there is more to Diablo than the competitive, trading, min/maxing metagame, but there's also a single player mode to Street Fighter, and the similarity between all 3 is all 3 are something no one really takes seriously. It's fun to bash monsters in D2 with friends (I do it too), but there's more to it than that.
Once again, you're assuming being an obsessive hardcore gamer is the best way to play a game.
it isn't even obsessive hardcore man, its not like uber french know the exact drop rates of every single item in the game to the exact decimal or something. It's building a character to be the best it can be. In the end it becomes less about the monsters you are slaying, and the character you are making (heh...that rhymed..). Getting a maxed out Bone Necro, a Glass Cannonzon etc is very fulfilling to us because you've reached the peak of your characters potential. It isn't HARDCORE at all, pretty much if you know any builds in this game and try to build one you are taking part in this, or working towards it."I am going to build a blizz sorc" is all it takes to get started, then you have to get stuff to build a blizz sorc. It isn't like other dc's were its just about OH WELL GET TO BOTTOM OF DUNGEON or OH WELL SLAY 1000000 ENEMIES FOR NO REASON AT ALL, it's about the character building, whether that's you building as best a blizz sorc as you can without grinding too much, or doing the Hellforge quest over 600 times to get amazing runes thru the Cube. That's pretty much the best part of Diablo is the character depth and customization aspects (tons of options, etc), even if you only know the basics or if you know the insane stats. Titan Quest did a pretty okay job at this, but the rest of the game had so many down falls in it, which is what makes D2 special, the rest of the game doesn't suck. Add in mods (like Eastern Sun) etc to the mix and you can have a near unlimited amount of character building to last you a life time. All i was saying is that by "just playing with friends" or whatever for fun, you are missing out on this. You guys could build your characters to be a team build and flow with each other, but I bet you aren't! I guess its instead of just replacing items on your guy because they have better stats, you actually have an end game plan and build, and work towards that, instead of just hitting the end game and being all "yes this wep is a whole +4 better than my wep" and replacing it without a thought.
I'm not up for spending hours on GameFAQs looking at builds. When it comes down to it, Diablo II isn't a very deep or complex game by any means. It has a talent tree, and it has a shit ton of items (correct me if there's anything else I need to take into consideration).
Runes.
Gems.
Runeword combinations.
Skill tree bonuses.
Synergies.
Crafting
etc.
more to it then that bub.
I don't really get how a game being dated = you can no longer min/max in it or something. You seem to not like old games which is kind of sad, who cares if the graphics suck or whatever. The games you play now already look like shit I guarantee it a month down the road. Guild Wars especially is already dated and looks pretty bad (and also has no min/maxing aspects at all, so bad example.). I don't see how I or anyone else (read: millions of people) who do this are ruining it for ourselves since we obviously still play the game after all these years for hours and hours and enjoy it? It is still an aspect of the game you are missing out on, even just the basic parts of it.
on the subject of D3 they've said they don't have a final # of classes so the FAQ is wrong, but tbh I expect 5. Barb, Doctor, a sorc like class, a long range like class, and a rogue like class imho.
let's play runescape togetherHay, wat lvl is ur woodcuttingg? Mien is abot lvl 34 it's kinda hi.
Hay, wat lvl is ur woodcuttingg? Mien is abot lvl 34 it's kinda hi.
i am a level 70 fire-maker, i just go around buying wood and making fires and cooking fish. i am trying to boost my fish-cooking skill a little bit. right now i am only a level 12 fish-cooker.
Hay, wat lvl is ur woodcuttingg? Mien is abot lvl 34 it's kinda hi.
But to stay on subject I actually hope they get another class similar to the paladin. As over-powered as it could get with special tweaks online it was probably the most entertaining class.
hammerdins are ftw.Ah, I made a meleemancer using bonespear's synergies (also adds to bone armour) and the runeword that provides a chance to cast bonespear on striking as well as some other nice mods. Oh, D2 <3.
I'm a big fan of Bone Necs and Light Sorcs and Hammerdins.
hah yeah man, but mythos sucks. it just isn't fun to play.
where the fuck do you see GOD OF WAR in there.
Orbs were around like before God of War (hellot Devil May Cry), and were around before that as anything you pick up for +life in RPGs and action games. Pretty much every single move the barb even used he used in D2, so I don't really get what you're talking about at all!
ive never played the diablo series but this looks like world of warcraft from an rts perspective
I'm going to be a barbarian named Hitter
by the time the game is released this nickname will already be taken, you can probaly get Hitter22689, or H|tter92
I'm trying to figure out what the classes will likely be in this.
Barbarian and Witch Doctor are in, and there are three others.. I'm going to go ahead and guess Paladin, Amazon/Archer/Whatever, and Sorceror/Sorceress.
AFAIK, barb is the ONLY returning class. Others should be quite interestingsame old classes with a different name and look.
Your heroes and heroines in Diablo III come in five classes, each that have a male and female equivalent. Each has its own very distinct look along with a set of abilities, advantages and disadvantages, and role in the fight against the demons of Hell. Here you'll find all the information, statistics, and strategy guides you'll ever need to build the most effective adventurers.
At the World Wide Invitational 2008 event in Paris, Blizzard Entertainment announced Diablo III and two of the game's playable character classes: The Barbarian and the Witch Doctor. There's no word yet on what the three others may be.
Blizzard Entertainment also stated that other than the Barbarian, there will be no returning character classes from the first two games. It's quite likely that the Barbarian is an exception because it was far and wide the favorite character class, most often chosen by Diablo II players.
Oh come on.... Sorcs and Paladins easily outnumbered babas. As a matter of fact, second to Druid, I could have sworn it was the least popular class due to the lack of variety in viable playstyles (everyone went tank/ww).Well, the barbarian is the essential warrior class, and they are typically the ones which are usually always shown at demonstrations, in teasers, etc. I guess the barbarian was featured because a lot of people just enjoy playing as giant warriors who beat things down with just brute strength while being able to take countless blows.
I just picked up D2 for the first time ever and tried out necromancer. It is the best. I stopped after a while to try out some other classes but none of them are as good as the necro, the necro just TEARS SHIT UP. Anyway let's play D2 over hamachi, let's do it.At the moment I'm only able to play standard Diablo 2 (no expansion) because my LoD has been missing for the longest while. I suppose I could just torrent the expansion though, because it's not like I'd be going on battle.net or anything.
I just picked up D2 for the first time ever and tried out necromancer. It is the best. I stopped after a while to try out some other classes but none of them are as good as the necro, the necro just TEARS SHIT UP. Anyway let's play D2 over hamachi, let's do it.At the start, yeah. Have fun in hell with your by-then worthless skeletons.
The rogue/amazon is hands down the best single player class. The necro is good for the first two acts but his power really starts to dwindle by mid-game.not unless you buff him up with items and charms with a handy act 2 nightmare merc! they can still hold their own..just not as well as the other classes.
Well, necro is good but don't waste points on skeletons. All you need is a good golem and some curses.
By the way it doesn't look like wow, maybe the colors are somewhat similar but the characters aren't!
Well, necro is good but don't waste points on skeletons. All you need is a good golem and some curses.
I know people have mentioned ZEAL as a good skill but that's not available til level 14 and this is slooooooow and boring.
idk i dont really like paladins (unless if they are hammerdins) unless if there is like 4 people teamin up because then they are REALLY awesome.
AH HA HA HA HA HA HAMan, I really forgot what a douche you are about this kind of stuff.
No.
Get one summoning necro with enigma and you will see just how wrong you are. When you teleport every single merc/skeleton/mage/golem/ressurected baddie will appear in the same spot with you.... so when you land on someone's ass.... they will get hit with 40 or so minions at the same time. Keep popping in and out of combat and before they have any chance to respond they are dead.
Unless they have an aoe counterpick. But even then.... with enigma... it's hard to get hit unless you knowingly walk into it.
Lvl 14 is your complaint? You do realize you can easily make it to lvl 76+ in a single day, right?
Hammerdins where always my favorite. Mine had crazy hp. I don't think my dex or str went passed 75, and I never leveled the mana stat. Everything went into vitality (Hoto's summon helping a lot with hp too). I had a nice and light enigma with insane defence... a shield merc from act 2 with bramble... the works. And my inventory was nothing but skill charms and 5% faster run/walk small charms. There was nothing to pvping. Just randomly teleport and cast hammers until someone walks into it. There was no countering him. The only problems I ever came across was getting someone to actually run into the hammers... which can get tricky when fighting assasins or other characters with enigma or sorcs.
My hammerdin was a farmer though. I used him primarily for hunting runes and ethereal items.... where at the time clean ethereal items where more valuable their rune worded counterparts. MF wasn't a problem because these wheren't magical items... therefore mf didn't effect their drop rate. Normally I would have used a javazon for aoe... but not only was lightning fury nerfed at the time, the places where I hunted where lightning resist~
How the fuck do you make it to 76 in a day? Me and GR have been playing for like 4 hours and only managed to go from 14 - 20. Also WHAAAAT.
How the fuck do you make it to 76 in a day? Me and GR have been playing for like 4 hours and only managed to go from 14 - 20. Also WHAAAAT.
Baal runs. Every run (which lasts a couple of minutes) results in 1-2 level ups all the way up to 74 or so. The only thing that slows you down while exping is getting through the acts.... in which case you either get someone to help you with the quests and waypoints or you log in an alternate account and do it yourself. If you join the right games at the right time you will be able to clear Act 2 and Act 3 without having to do the multi-item quests [building the staff in act 2 and then building the flail in act 3] but with maphack and a sorc/ enigma char powerleveling you collecting the items yourself never took long anyways.
So yeah, lvl 1-75+ in a day including beating the game in Normal, Nightmare, and Hell (ie beating the full game 3 times) was pretty normal for a day's work. When you do full runs like this people usually stick together through the different games making it much easier.
When you see a game that has 'run' in the name this is what people are doing. Most people play this way. It isn't hardcore or a gosu strat.
I do understand the concept of min-maxing (I used to be raider in WOW) but while I'm no expert in Diablo (2), I don't see the fun of doing it in a world that doesn't have the "end-game" content that especially MMORPGs usually have (like raids of WoW or sieges of L2). Sure you get your level 999 Barbarian with 99 strenght and 99 constitution but what's the use when you can't put that in use? Usually something like that was only something to do once you beat the game but wanted to play a bit longer. Diablo 2 seems to have made that "extra something" in to a whole purpose of the game, which to me sounds silly.I'm pretty sure it all comes down to pvp, yeah none of that stuff is really needed to beat the game, even on the hardest difficulty I imagine, but against another player having one less stat in an area can mean the difference between winning and losing(assuming your equally matched otherwise).
I do understand the concept of min-maxing (I used to be raider in WOW) but while I'm no expert in Diablo (2), I don't see the fun of doing it in a world that doesn't have the "end-game" content that especially MMORPGs usually have (like raids of WoW or sieges of L2). Sure you get your level 999 Barbarian with 99 strenght and 99 constitution but what's the use when you can't put that in use? Usually something like that was only something to do once you beat the game but wanted to play a bit longer. Diablo 2 seems to have made that "extra something" in to a whole purpose of the game, which to me sounds silly.
Okay smartasses, answer me these questions.
Why are there no cool yellow wands dropping or coming up in gamble. I have got some cool HELMS/SHIELDS/ARMORS from gambling but there is never any wands and any of the cool yellow drops are always SWORDS/KATARS and never wands.
I have also noticed that other player classes get cool unique equips like WOLF HEAD, PARROT HEAD, JAWBONE HELM but the only thing I've found for the necromancer is a preserved head that sits in my shield slot and is generally pretty useless, until I got the blacksmith to imbue it at which point it turned yellow and gave me loads of stats that I really didn't want like +10% damage to squid type monsters. (What other cool necro equips can I get?)
Bad luck. ACT boss runs are the way to go. And in gamble you have about 0.5 or something like that to get an unique (brown/goldish color). Rares (yellows) suck and I guess they are about 5-10% something. Sets are best though - for necromancer there is one that turns you into a lich. Sets are 0.3% to get from gamble IIRC.
And aside from wands and heads, I don't remember any other unique equips for necro. Other classes don't get much more unique equips either.
I thought they removed the chance of getting unique and set items out of gambling? Not to mention they only had the first tier of items (ie no exceptional or elite versions up for sale). Trang Oul's was a good set though. I never used the whole thing though. Just the claws (gloves) and a few other things to get me a minimum of set bonuses. Does the transformation provide any bonuses of it's own? Or is it just a graphic change? The set didn't turn you into a lich until after I stopped playing.
How the fuck do you make it to 76 in a day? Me and GR have been playing for like 4 hours and only managed to go from 14 - 20. Also WHAAAAT.
I thought they removed the chance of getting unique and set items out of gambling? Not to mention they only had the first tier of items (ie no exceptional or elite versions up for sale). Trang Oul's was a good set though. I never used the whole thing... but some of the items where essential to one of my necromancers. I used the claws (gloves) and a few other things to get me a minimum of set bonuses. Does the transformation provide any bonuses of it's own? Or is it just a graphic change? The set didn't turn you into a lich until after I stopped playing.
I only seen other people with that set, and as far as they told, it's pretty good. Same as some runeword or set, I can't remember, which gives a barb werewolf transform skill - that barb owned everything. That was way in 1.09 or something though.
I'm so pimped up for this game. It looks like it's going to be everything I hoped it to be, and even more! I'm not even bothered by the graphics, I think they look fine and people need to shut up about such trivial things.
I wonder when they will run out of ideas how to bring back diablo? I wonder how will it come back this time.
people have been speculating Tyreal got corrupted by the Worldstone since LoD came out, maybe blizzard got their story from the fans?
Like, the fans had a really in depth story for diablo 3 that basically perfectly tied into diablo 2.
I think in irc we were talking about how since the Worldstone was destroyed, anything could happen anywhere and somehow reincarnate the prime evils?
Man, I will never understand metagaming. It seems like a weird way to enjoy a game, kind of like obsession more than actual enjoyment.
it really isn't so trivial man, Diablo is a game known for three things really: the metagame, the innovations, and the atmosphere.
I've never been so much into the atmosphere (I think that was more of a D1 thing). It always was about "heh 1000 demons taste my swords/spells/arrows whatever" and the metagame. I really hope they find a way to stop duping in bnet this time, it really ruined it for me. It's such a shame that D2 had awesome items like enigmas, but when 99 % of all enigmas in bnet are duped, how can anyone actually think it is an achievement to get one? Even if I somehow managed to make a legit enigma (I think the highest rune I ever found was a gul) no one would believe it's real. Without dupes the value for one enigma would be hundreds of HRs... and you'd have to find someone willing to sell theirs.
Duping where a good thing though for some items. Without dupes how would we have had our ridiculous currency system of sojs and 290 small charms? Although crazy dupes like those "ith" items (rune worded items with all of the sockets magically empty) where crushed... they let us keep the 290s and sojs... which was pretty cool of them. I don't know if they changed it... but I couldn't imagine how trading would have been without them.
Duping where a good thing though for some items. Without dupes how would we have had our ridiculous currency system of sojs and 290 small charms? Although crazy dupes like those "ith" items (rune worded items with all of the sockets magically empty) where crushed... they let us keep the 290s and sojs... which was pretty cool of them. I don't know if they changed it... but I couldn't imagine how trading would have been without them.
I think they just couldn't delete them because rings and charms (and amulets) don't have the item fingerprint that all "big items" do have. That's why they couldn't "delete all 10 000 sojs with fingerprint 6xAor82" or something. But yeah, I'd imagine Blizzard has come a long way since D2 and LoD in terms of network security. How's the situation in WoW, any maphacks or dupes around there?
for you mebe, but for the people who get it we actually derive more enjoyment out of it since it's obviously fun to us to have the best guy and shit.
Can someone explain to me what the fuck metagame is
Maybe I'm being dense but isn't knowing what's effective and DOING IT just the Game rather than the metagame
nah all items (ALL OF EM) have a unique fingerprint, so that's not true.
I'm wondering how they even can.. In Diablo 1, the main character just seals Diablo away inside of themselves in a very unsafe and stupid way. A sequel was obvious. However, in Diablo 2.. They sort of DESTROYED DIABLO'S SOUL so.. I don't see how he'll come back at all. I hope that the game is Diablo in name only.
But UPRC! Who will be the final boss?
Fucking Tyrael. Yes, Tyrael. I've been BETTING on this since I completed Lord of Destruction. Tyrael. Final Boss. Diablo 3.
I'm pretty sure at least potions and runes don't have fingerprints. Oh well!
If duping isn't rampart in WoW, it probably won't be in D3 either. That's a good thing. So, what do you guys think, will D3 online be free?
ie in WoW pvp (this might be old idk) arena 2v2 metagame is sub rogue/x, resto druid/x, etc. the top stuff that people run.oh jesus what does any of this shit mean
in gw pvp gvg metagame is balanced, hexway, dervsmite, etc.
in d2 metagame can mean building your character to be the top that is possible in his class, building the best he can be in a certain archetype (ie: fragile glass cannon amazon, or light sorc etc) or it can mean the trading metagame (SoJ economy etc), or it can mean the pvp metagame as well.
oh jesus what does any of this shit mean
Man... adding skill cooldowns is a pretty heavy blow to D2's combat system. It changes the game entirely.yeah man I believe you 100%, I am for the return of fcr and ias and hitting the frame rate barriers. that stuff made the game pro.
basically HL is one of those guys that gets suckered into STATGRIND games and takes them really seriously and gets pissed off at anyone else how doesn't share his opinion or something. At least this is the impression I am getting. Just ignore all of HL's posts in this topic pretty much.this is true but he is just using a lot of stupid unnecessary jargon, too. METAGAME. who the fuck says that?
this is true but he is just using a lot of stupid unnecessary jargon, too. METAGAME. who the fuck says that?
basically HL is one of those guys that gets suckered into STATGRIND games and takes them really seriously and gets pissed off at anyone else how doesn't share his opinion or something. At least this is the impression I am getting. Just ignore all of HL's posts in this topic pretty much.
For those who still don't get what the metagame is here is a real life comparison.
In football the Shotgun spread has become popular to use with alot of teams. It lets the quarterback throw the ball faster to gain good yards before the defense can react or get to the quarterback. Because of this teams have changed there defenses into a two-deep zone or go with a overload in the back or front to stop it.
American* Football.
i think we just want you to be a little less offensively nerdy and obsessive about this kind of thing tbh
its what i do, and I don't really care.you like something he doesn't and thats not okay with him
It's a term used in a lot of things so I don't really see your point anyways.
Man... adding skill cooldowns is a pretty heavy blow to D2's combat system. It changes the game entirely.