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Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on July 11, 2008, 11:56:02 am
I think most of us are fairly wishy-washy or uncertain until some key moment, share yours!

For me, a man of a certain ethnicity was on TV talking about something and I thought "wow, he's quite eloquent, for one of them"

It was a little horrifying at first but now it's a relief.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ThugTears666 on July 11, 2008, 12:05:28 pm
When I started thinking that the reason asians were bad drivers is because they can't open their eyes properly and they are permanently confused.






this is a horrible topic for a mod to make btw :) (but i am still going to post in it)
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Carrion Crow on July 11, 2008, 12:11:57 pm
I am on a course where a lot of people who share something in common (race) plagiarise work and then pretend that they didn't understand that plagiarism is not allowed. I.e. they are using the "language barrier" as an advantage. I know to generalise is bad but if one of them asks if they can borrow your lab book you say FUCK NO FUCK SHIT FUCK.

There was a guy I worked with last year I nicknamed "The Photocopier".

What a cunt.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Vellfire on July 11, 2008, 12:55:40 pm
When I was little and we would travel out of the state, I'd see black people and just STARE at them.  Not because I hated them or thought they were bad or anything of the like, but just out of pure AWE AND WEIRDNESS.  It is because in southeastern rural Kentucky, black people are just on TV.  It was just plain because I had never seen them before.  I didn't actually personally know a black person until high school, and didn't befriend any until like LAST YEAR (because I only really knew two in high school and didn't know either of them well, so...there you go).

BONUS STORY:  in one of her confused, rambling conversations, my grandma said "the white man and the red man cannot be friends"
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Shepperd on July 11, 2008, 01:05:17 pm
when i fund out there no nigger in argetinas
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: UPRC on July 11, 2008, 01:08:33 pm
I've never really thought about this much.. I don't think I'm racist at all, but I'm definitely pretty ignorant towards different cultures. I think it comes from being raised in a country where the "boring old white" way of life is very, very dominant.

I don't really give race much thought since we're all the same, just with different langauges and skin colours.

However, I do find that if I'm in a crowd of place and I'm clearly in the minority (like being in a room with lots of black people) I feel awkward and uncomfortable.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bill Murray on July 11, 2008, 01:18:07 pm
When I killed those children after failing to get them clean.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: datamanc3r on July 11, 2008, 01:24:11 pm
In elementary school, my perception of black people wasn't that great. They all kept picking on me so naturally I felt some animosity towards the entire race. Of course, it's pretty stupid to think this way, but I always keep myself as reserved as possible whenever I talk to them. It's not outright racism -- it's more subtle. But it's still bad enough to change my behavior for them.

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When I started thinking that the reason asians were bad drivers is because they can't open their eyes properly and they are permanently confused.

The daylight is especially harsh here in Southern California -- there are far too many whiteys to reflect it. I used to be white myself, but now my skin is tan and I can't really see well.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Abelone on July 11, 2008, 01:28:08 pm
I'm somewhat racist towards Mizrahi people (eastern Jews). They tend to spread bad, shallow and violent culture and the criminal they produce are unsophisticated and fear inducing. They also cry about discrimination and use it as an excuse for everything.

Since I'm one myself, my opinions makes me a critic and not really a racist! 
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Death Gulp on July 11, 2008, 02:09:25 pm
when i played gta san andreas
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: HL on July 11, 2008, 02:13:05 pm
when I realized that black women in pornos dont do anything for me.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Ranmaru Mori on July 11, 2008, 02:13:35 pm
When I was younger I spent a lot of time living with my grandparents, they are patriots and fought in wars etc, basically they are the "White is right" generation. They would come out with a lot of racial slurs.

At school a muslim started in our class and I called her a Paki and got sent home. I was about 5 or 6 so I didn't really understand, I thought that was the correct term, I got into a lot of crap for it in school, since then I've tried to be as tolerable as possible with other races no matter how much they annoy me.

I.e Near where I live there is a town that 75% of the population are muslims, as a white male of 18 years, walking through some of the more rougher parts at night with or without a group would most likely result in me getting stabbed or the shit kicked out of me. (These are not your typical muslims btw, the majority of them are in gangs, drink and smoke, rape white girls etc.

I'm not racist but I hate it when other races use "The race card" as a last resort during an argument. A friend of mine who is not raciest got kicked out of college for racism because he tried to stop a muslim from winding him up, he didn't swear or call him a raciest name but did get into an argument, as a lost resort the muslim told the teacher he was being a racist and he was removed. Which tbh is pretty fucked up, considering my friend has been a British citizen for 18 years of his life and the Muslim, about 9.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying ALL muslims act like this, but pretty much all of them (save a few) who I've encountered in my life have been hostile towards white people and seem to think they are gangster by running about with knives stabbing people.

Polish people seem to be fucking everywhere in Britain right now as well. They work for like £1 an hour so they are messing up family businesses, tradesmen and the economy.

My Dad works as a plasterer and charges a fairly reasonable rate, a woman wouldn't pay what he quoted her and got some polish people in to do the plastering for like half the price. Two weeks later my Dad gets a call, the same woman wants him to come in and repair her ceiling and walls as the Polish plasterers fucked it up so much so that she needed to have the walls repaired. Apparently one of them even plastered over an electrical socket. My Dad did cut some of the price down for her because he felt sorry for her, but still.

I would say I'm about 5% raciest, but thats only because Muslims, Greeks and the Polish have pissed me off for most of my life. (Everyone else is cool with me.)


Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Strangeluv on July 11, 2008, 02:36:38 pm
when I realized that black women in pornos dont do anything for me.

I feel sorry for you. You're missing out on the finer things in life.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Carrion Crow on July 11, 2008, 02:52:30 pm
when i played gta san andreas

This. Although I am totally in love with Polish immigrants after playing IV. I think that's because the characters are more likeable.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Kaworu on July 11, 2008, 03:00:05 pm
Rammaru polish immigrant workers are doing a major benefit to our economy unless you actually think it's based on plumbing. By being low wages, they're freeing up people to have more money to spend in the services sector, which is what our economy is based on. They are prettymuch carrying england on their shoulders at the moment.
Here's a tip, tradesmen has always been a low-paid job. Because of it being a very base thing, it HAS to be. The ideas in the past decade of plumbers earning 100,000 a year is ridiculous, means people spend more money on them (some charge like £200 to swap a tap. A 20-30 minute job) and less on buying things. That fucked out economy.
I think the only racism I have is slightly towards the japanese, but that's more due to their terrible hideous culture, and not as them as people.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Ranmaru Mori on July 11, 2008, 03:32:34 pm
Rammaru polish immigrant workers are doing a major benefit to our economy unless you actually think it's based on plumbing. By being low wages, they're freeing up people to have more money to spend in the services sector, which is what our economy is based on. They are prettymuch carrying england on their shoulders at the moment.
Here's a tip, tradesmen has always been a low-paid job. Because of it being a very base thing, it HAS to be. The ideas in the past decade of plumbers earning 100,000 a year is ridiculous, means people spend more money on them (some charge like £200 to swap a tap. A 20-30 minute job) and less on buying things. That fucked out economy.
I think the only racism I have is slightly towards the japanese, but that's more due to their terrible hideous culture, and not as them as people.
Fair enough, but put yourself in my shoes.
My Dad is a tradesmen and he is out of work on a somewhat regular basis because of Polish workers, who charge less, which means less money for my family. Who are British, not Polish.

I have nothing against them because of their race, its because they are taking up jobs that should rightfully belong to British tradesmen.
My Dad had plans to retire in 5 years but the way things are going now its going to have to be 10.
I was originally going to take over the family business if college didnt work out, but I'm not so sure I want to invest the time in actually learning how to Plaster now, if I'm not going to get any work.

But regardless, I agree with you that a lot of tradesmen do overprice certain jobs.




Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Kaworu on July 11, 2008, 03:37:38 pm
why do they rightfully belong to british tradesmen though?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: local_dunce on July 11, 2008, 03:43:01 pm
I disagree that these jobs rightfully belong to british tradesmen but I do think the polish immigrants are making life a bitch for unemployed people who are looking for work. The poles have a set a standard of working 12 hour shifts for half of minimum wage which makes anyone like me who is a lazy lout and wants to work sociable hours for a decent pay check can't get these jobs because they would rather take sweatshop labour which nobody should promote.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: #1 Vodka fan on July 11, 2008, 03:43:30 pm
Well, ranmaru, that low wage payment in england is actually 2-5 times better than the minimal wage we get here in eastern europe(I'm not polish but my fellow countrymen also invade england.), so I don't think it's their fault that they take the shitty jobs for less(which is actually more in their perspective). 
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Hundley on July 11, 2008, 03:49:44 pm
i was not a racist when i was younger, but now i naturally assume that all white people i encounter will be utterly detestable and will do nothing with their empty lives beyond further the ruin of modern civilization. i do not get this feeling with any other people, just white americans.

although i don't know if this is being racist or just SENSIBLE. depends on who you ask, i guess.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 11, 2008, 04:06:49 pm
I wasn't ever racist as a kid. There weren't ever loads of minorities in my classes, but there were always some. back then I never even identified them as minorities, they were other kids. I dunno if children even have the capacity for racism without some external influence.

At my old college here in Reading, black and white people generally mesh really well and there's no racial tension. Again, it was just like PEOPLE. There probably were some racists since there were loads of homophobic bigots and misogynists, but you're 99% more likely to find one of those than a racist. It's still OK to dislike homosexuals (God said so), and misogyny lol whats that???I thought everyone acted this way towards women! Racism--that's immoral. ugh I don't even know what to say about this, just thank fucking god it stops somewhere.

Given the above, it was pretty disturbing going to philly and seeing BLACKS AND NON BLACKS in two separate groups. cities are generally filled with angry people, but there's a racism against black people there that I didn't know existed in this part of the country. on the other side if you're white you'll get harassed every now and then, and twice as much if you're a woman. I haven't lived there yet so I'll have to see how it goes, I'll be in a nicer area though so there will probably be less anger in general


Around here (Reading) there's a growing racism against hispanics. They're generally poor, and sometimes uneducated. Hispanic people commit most of the crimes, and the crime often goes with them when they spread to another area. That sentence felt fuckng awful but it's what people use to make racist remarks all the time. The city of Reading itself kind of went to hell years ago, and some people tend to blame the hispanics. all i can say is fuck da republicans


This topic is great because it will reveal closet racists.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: theHunter on July 11, 2008, 04:34:42 pm
I'm somewhat racist against white people.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Happy HELLoween on July 11, 2008, 04:42:58 pm
all indians cheat

no seriously it is digusting, I took a night time class and it was 90% indians and the teacher was indian and he was terrible, on a test day the teacher left the country for india or something and we had an indian proctor who was apparently the room mate of some of the indians in the class  so they all cheated in punjabi or something. I do know some cool indians but only 2.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: jamie on July 11, 2008, 04:49:11 pm
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When I was younger I spent a lot of time living with my grandparents, they are patriots and fought in wars etc, basically they are the "White is right" generation. They would come out with a lot of racial slurs.

At school a muslim started in our class and I called her a Paki and got sent home. I was about 5 or 6 so I didn't really understand, I thought that was the correct term, I got into a lot of crap for it in school, since then I've tried to be as tolerable as possible with other races no matter how much they annoy me.

i've always had a problem with the idea of tolerating other races and cultures. it's not a good thing at all, it means there is tension and i'd say unless there is a valid reason like "i don't like the hizb ut-tarir cos they want to kill me and take over the world" then you are just letting cowardice, pettiness and anger take a hold of the way you view the world. i think an entirely better attitude would be to try and accept others instead of tolerate, and if you honestly can't do that for good reasons then okay. but it's obvious even from the first couple of lines here that yes, you are entirely racist and you aren't trying at all.

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I.e Near where I live there is a town that 75% of the population are muslims,

what town is this?

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as a white male of 18 years, walking through some of the more rougher parts at night with or without a group would most likely result in me getting stabbed or the shit kicked out of me. (These are not your typical muslims btw, the majority of them are in gangs, drink and smoke, rape white girls etc.

if these thugs are actually raping women, drinking and smoking then they aren't muslims. they may be in some ridiculous extremist group calling themselves muslims, but they aren't.

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I'm not racist but I hate it when other races use "The race card" as a last resort during an argument. A friend of mine who is not raciest got kicked out of college for racism because he tried to stop a muslim from winding him up, he didn't swear or call him a raciest name but did get into an argument, as a lost resort the muslim told the teacher he was being a racist and he was removed. Which tbh is pretty fucked up, considering my friend has been a British citizen for 18 years of his life and the Muslim, about 9.

excellent opening sentence "i'm not racist." - this is an obvious stab to take here but really, you are ticking all the boxes for megaracist as i read through this post.

does someone being a citizen of a country for longer make them a better person? does this guy's word not have as much reliability simply because he has been in britain for less time than your buddy.

also i don't believe for a second that your buddy wasn't being a big prick so tell us what he said.

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Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying ALL muslims act like this, but pretty much all of them (save a few) who I've encountered in my life have been hostile towards white people and seem to think they are gangster by running about with knives stabbing people.

you don't know what a muslim is at all, so stop making assumptions about what they are like.

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Polish people seem to be fucking everywhere in Britain right now as well. They work for like £1 an hour so they are messing up family businesses, tradesmen and the economy.

i'm glad to see that your awfulness isn't restricted to islamophobia.

 
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My Dad works as a plasterer and charges a fairly reasonable rate, a woman wouldn't pay what he quoted her and got some polish people in to do the plastering for like half the price. Two weeks later my Dad gets a call, the same woman wants him to come in and repair her ceiling and walls as the Polish plasterers fucked it up so much so that she needed to have the walls repaired. Apparently one of them even plastered over an electrical socket. My Dad did cut some of the price down for her because he felt sorry for her, but still.

if your dad's rate is really so reasonable, why is it even possible for other tradesfolk to come in and do it for half price? they've got a profit margin, too. if these polish plasterers messed up this job then maybe it is true that they messed up the job, maybe they were even using poorer quality materials to do the job (and thus widen the profit margin allowing them to lower their rate), but you haven't said any of that. you assume that because these guys are polish they are up to something nefarious and they are ruining the country!

i live in a terrible town which is basically closing down but i've seen no evidence of polish people gaining a monopoly on employment - yeah, there are quite a few around in entry level jobs these days but the reason they are able to do this is because young british people who would be working in these jobs are too fucking lazy to get the jobs. i know people who go to the gym every day and are on the dole. i'm too damn lazy to work full time one of these jobs. there are a lot of people like me and it creates some pretty big space in the job market. i mean really i don't give a shit about this but it is where your shitty reasoning comes from. "oh of course i would get a job, if it weren't for these immigrants!!!"

there is also the fact that according to a frackin government report i read, immigration had a slightly positive economic impact last year. immigrants are not bad for the economy - i'm not making any assumptions that they couldn't ever be, but your off hand comments about how they are "messing up family businesses, tradesmen and the economy" is just totally unsubstantiated bullshit.

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I would say I'm about 5% raciest, but thats only because Muslims, Greeks and the Polish have pissed me off for most of my life. (Everyone else is cool with me.)

don't kid yourself guy, you're racist.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Kaworu on July 11, 2008, 05:10:55 pm
I'm about 5% racist, 7% Nazi, 25% homosexual and 12% Catholic.
I love online tests.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Blitzen on July 11, 2008, 05:28:20 pm
Whenever I think about the way people of different races or cultures interact, I try to remind myself that MOST people are idiots, so the chances are that when idiots of one culture meet idiots from another, some shit is going to go down.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Brown on July 11, 2008, 05:32:13 pm
oh man real_jamicus did an awesome job before I even scrolled down :(​.

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I would say I'm about 5% raciest, but thats only because Muslims, Greeks and the Polish have pissed me off for most of my life. (Everyone else is cool with me.)

Greeks = from Greece
Polish = from Poland
Muslim = from....Muslimaland

dude muslim isn't a set of people its a religion (islam) which, in my life I've encountered in white, black, brown and even yellow. So which kind of muslims did you meet that you hated? let me guess :D ....Punjabis!

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Which tbh is pretty fucked up, considering my friend has been a British citizen for 18 years of his life and the Muslim, about 9.

what does that have anything to do with the situation you're british citizen friend was in? again, muslim and british are in DIFFERENT categories. One is a religion sir and the other one is a...er NOT A RELIGION


When I first came to Canada I was completely raped by racism. Mostly from drunk college white kids. Mind you I moved to a "ghetto" area which as very brown. We moved to this set of apartments which had a huge playground between 3 apartment buildings. One day a friend and I were just messing around in the park. He was afghani and we were doing pretty nothing out of boredom, when all of a sudden on the 5th floor there was this group of white people in their balcony with beer bottles in their hands who started screaming at us. "go back to your country you fucking paki" etc. I'd kinda gotten used to being called a paki cus their were a lot of racists. I didn't say anything when they were yelling random things, but my afghani friend, with the minimal english he had picked up around the streets said to them to fuck off. It was very bad as they responded my chucking beer bottles off the balcony. One hit my friend on his shoulder and he literally passed out. We were around 8-9 back then. As soon as my friend passed out the drunk guys stopped yelling and stuff and started realizing how stupid their actions were. They started yellling at each other. And here I am shocked that my friend is on the road not moving at all. When this happened random people around the area started gathering up and I got help from this MASSIVE white lady and she called the cops and everything. When I looked up the guys were gone from their balcony. When the cops arrived they started questioning me and I told them everything that I saw that happened. My friend was alright and I pointed out which balcony the bottles came from. I didn't tell the cop about them being racist because I didn't think it would matter. That was one of my first actual racial encounters. Usually it would be verbal so It didn't bother me much.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Lyndon on July 11, 2008, 05:45:54 pm
if your dad's rate is really so reasonable, why is it even possible for other tradesfolk to come in and do it for half price? they've got a profit margin, too. if these polish plasterers messed up this job then maybe it is true that they messed up the job, maybe they were even using poorer quality materials to do the job (and thus widen the profit margin allowing them to lower their rate), but you haven't said any of that. you assume that because these guys are polish they are up to something nefarious and they are ruining the country!

i live in a terrible town which is basically closing down but i've seen no evidence of polish people gaining a monopoly on employment - yeah, there are quite a few around in entry level jobs these days but the reason they are able to do this is because young british people who would be working in these jobs are too fucking lazy to get the jobs. i know people who go to the gym every day and are on the dole. i'm too damn lazy to work full time one of these jobs. there are a lot of people like me and it creates some pretty big space in the job market. i mean really i don't give a shit about this but it is where your shitty reasoning comes from. "oh of course i would get a job, if it weren't for these immigrants!!!"

I agree with you that a lot of people use the excuse that THE POLISH ARE TAKING ALL OUR JOBS!!! to prevent them getting a job.

They're not, but it does make it harder that they are willing to work for a smaller wage (sometimes below minimum wage) and do more hours than the average worker. I think it's a culture thing or something, but whilst I've been working with the Polish people in the factory I'm at at the moment I've noticed that they are very hard workers. I've been speaking to a few polish works and they have said that they basically come to Britain short term and earn some money to send back to their family in Poland and becuase of the good exchange rate, the money is worth more in Poland than it is in Britain.

So the only way its kind of fucking british people's jobs up is that now the bar has been raised and the typical worker doesn't really want to meet them (and I don't really blame them becuase some of these Polish people work really hard for what appears to us to be shit money)
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Ryan on July 11, 2008, 05:59:14 pm
ive just been wondering... is there anny connection between zionism and trechery??? hehe thx in advance ^^
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 11, 2008, 06:04:26 pm
yeah i don't think i was really racist as a kid either, but i was pretty CLUELESS for a while i think, when it came to what to think about ebonics//USE OF WORD NIGGA//welfare//baggy jeans and how i sort of inappropriately associated those types of things with being a stupid thug or some shit.  it took me kind of a while to get the whole african american subculture in general, actually, but i don't think i was ever really racist about it so much as just kind of ignorant.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Farren on July 11, 2008, 06:17:00 pm
I was racist as a kid unwittingly, I remember asking my black friend if his skin got extra hot when he was out in the sun.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Ryan on July 11, 2008, 06:22:18 pm
on a serious note i don't think i was ever racist really! i grew up in maryland so maybe this was why but i remember when i moved down to virginia a lot of my friends would go around saying NIGGER and shit even though we were like 10! i would always get kind of OFFENDED when they said that and eventually they just stopped using ironic racist jokes around me.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Ryan on July 11, 2008, 06:56:54 pm
yeah i really had no concept of what racism was until i moved to the south! both of my parents were never racist and it just wasn't discussed much or if it was i wasn't aware of it. i had never encountered it until i moved down to good ole' sweet virginia.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Kaworu on July 11, 2008, 07:04:27 pm
both my parents are somewhat racist so I've always known about it. But as a kid most've my friends were of variety of races, gre up with that and I just don't relly notice that kinda thing these days. I've never gotten how people can feel/think that way against... people. I don't see races/nationalism shit so I can't stand it when people say "britain for the british" and whatnot, it's land, they're people, we still have room, y'know.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Sludgelord on July 11, 2008, 07:54:34 pm
well I grew up in toronto which is supposed to be one of the most multicultural cities in the world and so my early childhood was like one of those ridiculous kid's shows like Captain Planet or the Magic School Bus where my group of friends actually consisted of a black kid, an indian kid, an asian kid, a white kid, etc. We were a diverse bunch. I don't think I really understood what racism actually was until I was like 12 or 13 and I started seeing it more and more in movies and tv and whatever.
This is pretty much it for me! My best friends were black, mulatto, and Hispanic and I don't think I was even aware of it until I was about 12 or 13. I was the only white kid on my track team but it was never an issue and I didn't really realize it. I didn't really become aware of race until I entered my early teens, and I think this is because I had it so well and that I was a pretty oblivious kid in general! I don't think it's that I was unaware of racism, I was unaware of race at all. I knew about Martin Luther King Jr. and Caesar Chavez and all of these race activists but that didn't seem to apply to me. The people around me were just my friends. I guess it's kind of sad that I've lost that innocence.

I'm pretty interested in race now though, especially the interaction of different peoples throughout history, the movement and assimilation of different peoples, and the genetic differences and similarities between people. I'm not sure when I became interested in this (I guess it's anthropology? I don't know) but I really like learning about different people and cultures and spend a lot of time doing it. One of the most interesting things I've read about so far are the Tarim Basin Mummies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tarim_mummies), a group of thousand year-old Caucasian and East Asian mummies found together in the Tarim Basin in China. What's even more interesting to me than the fact that they found Caucasians in China is that the burial ground is multi-ethnic, that these settlers recognized the value of multiple people and coexisted together. That's pretty neat to me. Another pretty interesting thing I've learned is that the closest genetic relative of the Sami people (http://www.baiki.org/images/postcard_mother.jpg) of Finland are the Berbers (http://mathildasanthropologyblog.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/berbers.jpg) of North Africa. I want to learn more about the similarities between these people, when they split apart, their origins. Even more interesting than that is that scientists have shown that the closest genetic relatives of the Native Americans (http://www.colby.edu/personal/e/ebeasley/native%20americans.jpg) are the Tuvans (http://thepuredrop.com.au/artists/hht.jpg) of Central Asia. Evidently, ancestors of the Tuvans migrated over the Siberian land bridge and settled America. This is something we already knew, but I think it's really neat that we've been able to pinpoint the exact people.

What I'm afraid of is that my interest in race makes me racist! I want to learn more about race and genetics not to prove anything, but because I think it's really interesting and that there's a lot we can learn from it. I mentioned the Sami-Berber thing because I want to see how these people drifted apart over time and what similarities they've maintained, but also the differences they've evolved from their surroundings. I want to see how people changed over time and where people came from. This is a neat area of study but I'm pretty sure it MAKES ME RACIST!!!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: pburn on July 11, 2008, 08:10:32 pm
Guys is this racist?

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Ryan Jenq is a young established film maker, an auteur, if I may, boasting wuxia masterpieces such as "Rap Battle 2000", "Bulletball of Death" and "My Chinese Father: Story of Wong Fong Fortune Cookie". He once filmed a fortune cookie for an hour and called it 'art'.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 11, 2008, 08:38:23 pm
This is pretty much it for me! My best friends were black, mulatto, and Hispanic and I don't think I was even aware of it until I was about 12 or 13. I was the only white kid on my track team but it was never an issue and I didn't really realize it. I didn't really become aware of race until I entered my early teens, and I think this is because I had it so well and that I was a pretty oblivious kid in general! I don't think it's that I was unaware of racism, I was unaware of race at all. I knew about Martin Luther King Jr. and Caesar Chavez and all of these race activists but that didn't seem to apply to me. The people around me were just my friends. I guess it's kind of sad that I've lost that innocence.
MULATTO

what the hell dude


also i don't see how this makes you racist???
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 11, 2008, 08:39:55 pm
ps you guys waiters are like some of the most consistent people in terms of JUDGING BASED ON RACE so if you are a darkie or an indian or something tip like 25% so they will maybe reconsider their preconceptions.  seriously like, there's a ridiculous ratio of white tables who tip 5% vs black tables who tip 5%; i really wish people wouldn't reinforce stereotypes by doing shit like RUNNING YOU AROUND, THEN BEING CHEAP.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Vellfire on July 11, 2008, 08:42:16 pm
Every time I get upset that Kristin Kreuk is playing Chun-Li, I always feel racist in some sort of way.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Ryan on July 11, 2008, 08:43:36 pm
if you were a waiter in lynchburg you should be racist against white people. i am not joking when i say on sunday afternoons when the flood of church people hit the restaurants instead of tipping with money they leave these little cards saying JESUS LOVES YOU or some shit with the address for their church!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Kaworu on July 11, 2008, 08:48:51 pm
Every time I get upset that Kristin Kreuk is playing Chun-Li, I always feel racist in some sort of way.
she is like 1/4th chinese or something. So I guess on the race card she's better casting than Van Damm as Guile.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Vellfire on July 11, 2008, 08:50:18 pm
she is like 1/4th chinese or something. So I guess on the race card she's better casting than Van Damm as Guile.

Yeah I know that is part of the reason I feel weird about it because my brain keeps going YOU ARE NOT CHINESE ENOUGH.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on July 11, 2008, 09:00:42 pm
I'm not racist. White people are really out to get us.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Sludgelord on July 11, 2008, 09:06:05 pm
MULATTO

what the hell dude
dude what?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Grunthor on July 11, 2008, 09:07:08 pm
Yeah I know that is part of the reason I feel weird about it because my brain keeps going YOU ARE NOT CHINESE ENOUGH.

I fully agree.  I could think of at least a good two to three dozen Chinese actresses that would be a better call than her, but then I remember that the movie is going to flop anyways, so it's sort of not a big deal.

Anyways, on topic, I really don't think about race too often.  My first girlfriend and first kiss were with a black girl.  My ex-wife is asian.  However I do have a certain distaste for trailer/ghetto trash.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 11, 2008, 09:07:43 pm
hahaha chef tell me you are joking

MULATTO do you not know this is like calling someone a negro
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Sludgelord on July 11, 2008, 09:08:13 pm
shit i'm a racist

ahahaha i had no idea dude!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 11, 2008, 09:14:08 pm
yeah i would not say it is OFFENSIVE but it is certainly archaic!

if you were a waiter in lynchburg you should be racist against white people. i am not joking when i say on sunday afternoons when the flood of church people hit the restaurants instead of tipping with money they leave these little cards saying JESUS LOVES YOU or some shit with the address for their church!
ahaha man that is awful.  yeah it varies because obviously rednecks and other WHITE TRASH or w/e people don't tip for shit, either, but like i used to work in a pretty nice area that was mostly just wealthy white people, so it'd be 20%+ and then some random black table asking for fucking PINK LEMONADE refills over and over and all this other stupid time-consuming shit and running you around only to leave like $8 on a hundred or something.  it sucks that this is the perception people have of an entire race because for some reason minorities consistently tip lower in nice places.  it spawns this whole ugly GO BACK TO WHERE YOU BELONG (KFC) attitude and it is kind of shitty on both sides!

ps where i worked there was this awful woman who would make the rounds of restaurants in the area and it was pretty hysterical because literally every server in like a 20 mile radius knew her and was afraid to get her.  she was this tiny old frazzled-looking red-haired dentist who would come in with these three awful fucking triplets and just demand a bunch of shit and be a real chore and leave a huge mess, then tip with like FLOSS//DENTAL PAMPHLETS.  this isn't really relevant to the topic but i always thought it was pretty funny and your jesus loves you thing reminded me of it.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ThugTears666 on July 11, 2008, 09:17:17 pm
I feel sorry for you. You're missing out on the finer things in life.


ghetto hoochies . com
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Parker on July 11, 2008, 09:44:30 pm
When I started thinking that the reason asians were bad drivers is because they can't open their eyes properly and they are permanently confused.
Ahaha, that is fantastic. :)
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: WunderBread on July 11, 2008, 10:14:57 pm
ps you guys waiters are like some of the most consistent people in terms of JUDGING BASED ON RACE so if you are a darkie or an indian or something tip like 25% so they will maybe reconsider their preconceptions.  seriously like, there's a ridiculous ratio of white tables who tip 5% vs black tables who tip 5%; i really wish people wouldn't reinforce stereotypes by doing shit like RUNNING YOU AROUND, THEN BEING CHEAP.
Haha, why should I tip 25% because I don't want somebody to think I'm cheap? I mean, sure their preconceptions may be skewed but tipping them after the fact is not going to make their service during the dinner any better retroactively. I stick to my little tip card which shows me the 15%/20%; why pay more just because people might maintain some racist notions? At the very best, they'll think "wow, maybe black people are not all that cheap" and be nicer to the next customer, but how is that going to affect me? More likely they'll think I'm an exception to their preconceived notions. You know, the "you're a credit to your race" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouAreACreditToYourRace) sort of thing

Race has never been a particularly big issue for me because, despite the majority white affluent community here, my life was another Captain Planet story. My best friends were white, Middle Eastern, Hispanic, black, Indian, Asian, etc. I guess I was always aware of race, but it wasn't really a big thing because I was surrounded by so many different people. It pisses me off when people say I act "white", though (my friends have a nasty habit of doing this). Or calling me an "oreo", jokingly or not. (Black on the outside, white on the inside, for those of you who haven't heard of it.) It's not being "white". It's being "educated", which many people of many minorities are, despite whatever sort of vernacular or style of dress they have, etc. I'm getting to the point where I might punch one of my friends in the face next time this say this. :)

I'm going off to college in Philadelphia, which may change this whole aspect of my life. Even though UPenn is a somewhat liberal school and has a good percentage of international students, I might get stuck in a particular group. Which would not be very fun, in my opinion. When I went to Emory University for the "Essence" weekend (black and Hispanic prospective student visitation), it was quite fun but it got a little boring. Diversity, plz.

Like Grunthor, I don't really care for trailer/ghetto trash, though. I prefer to think this is a dislike of ignorance/stereotypical behavior, because the "trash" label/ideology can spread to all lengths of the rainbow of races.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: missingno on July 11, 2008, 10:48:34 pm
ps you guys waiters are like some of the most consistent people in terms of JUDGING BASED ON RACE so if you are a darkie or an indian or something tip like 25% so they will maybe reconsider their preconceptions.  seriously like, there's a ridiculous ratio of white tables who tip 5% vs black tables who tip 5%; i really wish people wouldn't reinforce stereotypes by doing shit like RUNNING YOU AROUND, THEN BEING CHEAP.

black people will always give you the hardest time and are PICKY AS BALLS . mostly it's black WOMEN though black guys are usually pretty cool.

i used to be a lot more racist than i am now. i wnet to a VERY WHITE HIGHSCHOOL and there were like two or three black kids and they just happened to be the TROUBLE MAKERS or bad kids or whatever of the school. once i left high school though i've been going to a diverse college and there are just as many blacks as whites so i'm a lot more open and stuff now.

also at my job at mcdonalds i'm in the minority as a white guy so any serious racism within me has been pretty much eliminated since i like a good number of them. with customers though i try not to be racist but it's so hard when i see so many people who just seem to almost purposefully fulfill these stereotypes.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Pulits on July 11, 2008, 11:09:26 pm
I don't think I'm racist. Peace & love, yo. No but really, jews that live in Mexico are quite detestable. Honestly, they're so un-educated and have like this "supremcy" attitude that you're like "wtf". Oh... and their voices... I HATE THEM.

But there are cool jews, nonetheless. :)
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Marcus on July 11, 2008, 11:11:28 pm
I realized I'm racist when I started dating white women and refused to be roommates with black people.  Two black guys living together always equals trouble.  Always.

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it sucks that this is the perception people have of an entire race because for some reason minorities consistently tip lower in nice places.
I'm glad you guys brought up tipping and service because I'm notorious amongst my friends as a ridiculous tipper (I'm talking about up to 50% depending on my sobriety) but I love love love fucking with people in restaurants.

Whenever I eat it out I make it a game.  I joke with the servers, I ask them questions, I waste their time with their opinions on the food (even though I eat out at particular places multiple times) and gauge their reactions.  If they're pleasant to me then I'll leave them alone but if they can't take 5 minutes to nod and smile then I turn into the hugest dick in the world.  I still tip some ridiculous 30%+ at the end but if someone gives me an attitude I make them fucking WORK for that shit.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 11, 2008, 11:16:14 pm
marcus thats dumb you shouldn't waste peoples' time like that!  sometimes if they don't want to talk to you it is because they are really busy and time spent answering your inane questions is time spent not doing shit their other tables actually need, not because they are dicks.  like sometimes i will be in some retardedly inconvenient section (bar, patio, etc) and people will be like HMMM WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE SPAGHETTI??? while i just got triple sat or something because all hostesses are dumb and need to get bread/drink orders and it is like arggghhdfndl it's fucking spaghetti what do you want me to say???

so yeah don't do that unless you are like the only guy in their section, it's very inconsiderate!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Vellfire on July 11, 2008, 11:17:44 pm
I don't think I'm racist. Peace & love, yo. No but really, jews that live in Mexico are quite detestable. Honestly, they're so un-educated and have like this "supremcy" attitude that you're like "wtf". Oh... and their voices... I HATE THEM.

But there are cool jews, nonetheless. :)

there are jews in mexico?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Marcus on July 11, 2008, 11:43:11 pm
marcus thats dumb you shouldn't waste peoples' time like that!  sometimes if they don't want to talk to you it is because they are really busy and time spent answering your inane questions is time spent not doing shit their other tables actually need, not because they are dicks.  like sometimes i will be in some retardedly inconvenient section (bar, patio, etc) and people will be like HMMM WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THE SPAGHETTI??? while i just got triple sat or something because all hostesses are dumb and need to get bread/drink orders and it is like arggghhdfndl it's fucking spaghetti what do you want me to say???

so yeah don't do that unless you are like the only guy in their section, it's very inconsiderate!

With the money I throw down on the tables I expect quality service!

Plus I'm still frustrated over the three years I spent as a waiter/busboy/dish washer/delivery guy/cook/cashier/pizza slinger in a busy joint run by a bunch of lazy Lebanese that spoke 2 sentences of English.  I practically ran that joint by myself and never saw a single tip or pay raise beyond minimum wage.

Ah, to be a wide eyed 15 year old again making shit for cash...
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: WunderBread on July 11, 2008, 11:48:42 pm
Every time I get upset that Kristin Kreuk is playing Chun-Li, I always feel racist in some sort of way.
Haha, I just remembered: I got somewhat miffed when Angelina Jolie was chosen to play Daniel Pearl's half-black widow in "A Mighty Heart". I mean, Mariane Pearl apparently requested Jolie to play her, but it's just a bit aggravating when they could have chosen some actresses that are actually black to play her. Or at least half black. But since it was ultimately Mariane's decision, it's not really the biggest deal.

But she also played Fox in Wanted who is actually black as well. And not light-skinned, but actually-pretty-dark (http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/31926/21040404194728b6cb45b65.jpg) black. I'm seeing a pattern. I guess this is similar to the "NOT CHINESE ENOUGH" thing except that Jolie is not black at all.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ase on July 12, 2008, 01:07:44 am
hey headphonics i did not know you were a waiter too.

basically yeah, Marcus don't do that! We waiters have learned over time that it is pretty much impossible to tell when someone is going to be a good tipper or leave you diddly squat. Someone can be the nicest fucking guy in the world and make conversation and say OH MY GOD YOU KNOW JIMMY FROM THE GYM TOO??? NO WAY!!! and then they leave the restaurant making sure to WAVE  to their server and say HAVE A NICE DAY and then you open the booklet with the bill inside and ITS BLANK.

And sometimes people are complete dicks to you and say HAHAHA WHAT DID YOU SAY YOUR NAME WAS (i guess this probably only happens to me :sad: ) and leave you a ton of money

But yeah, as a waiter it's always awesome to receive a nice tip from someone, but when we're very busy there's no way we're going to stand and listen to your jokes and idle chat if we have 4 other tables and we have no way of knowing whether or not you're going to leave any money at all.



ON TOPIC: I wasn't outwardly racist as a kid, but I probably did pick up a few stupid misconceptions from my very racist parents. I remember in my early teens I would sometimes inexplicably become ANNOYED (not angry) with things black people did in public around me idk like I would notice black people at the grocery store or in the bank or something and I would often find that I didn't like, say, the way they would greet their friends or the way black moms would talk to their little kids. Really stupid shit. Soon after, I caught myself thinking that way and realized WHAT AM I DOING
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: baseball19225 on July 12, 2008, 01:15:14 am
white (+aspergian)pride bitch
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Marmot on July 12, 2008, 01:37:47 am
i dont think i was ever racist. maybe sometimes a little misogynist because unfortunately that is the PUB ATMOSPHERE here but racist ever. in fact, when i was a kid and i saw people use the word "indian" as an insult for stupid i would always yell at them. i still do....

anyway, i was surprised when i started living in the us how everything is so racist and segregated. hispanics eat with hispanics, whites with whites, etc. in mexico, i had friends from every color and size and i dont think we where really conscious about it.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bled on July 12, 2008, 01:58:30 am
When I found out I was a cracker.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on July 12, 2008, 03:03:38 am
I too grew up in Toronto so my whole little gang consisted of one indian, one white, one asian, one black, etc. so there wasn't even any notion of racism back then.

I'd say I'm kind of racist now towards the black subculture because I live in an area that's CLEARLY divided...as in suburban white housing right next to low income black housing and all the black males are pretty much gangsters who cause a lot of shit and it makes you scared for your life to walk out in your own neighbourhood in the night which is pretty ridiculous. Other than that I'm fine with indians, asians, etc. A lot of people I know are really racist towards asian people but I'm fine with them, I guess, seeing as how my girlfriend is asian and as are half my friends.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Abelone on July 12, 2008, 03:10:57 am
there are jews in mexico?

My first thought exactly.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: pburn on July 12, 2008, 03:11:18 am
When I was in 6th grade I was a huge japfag and a retard. I was also a huge racist. Basically I hated everybody, fuckin crackers, fuckin n****rs, fuckin chinamen, fuckin spiks, everyone. Because well, I was a messed up kid. I also got banned from many forums including this one for my constant stupid racist antics. I don't know how I grew into this but I was a "true" racist up until like 8th grade when some GWers beat it out of me.... than I realized I was stupid.

Of course I try to respect everyone, but I always somehow fuck up and say something racist. I don't think of myself as a racist but if someone asks I usually say yes. I don't discriminate but I'll always say shit about white people and whatnot. Also I still hate chinamen but that's it. I try to be not racist and chill wit everyone.

But I really hate the way people around here are treating eastern Asians. A lot of people don't think "chinaman" of offensive and go around saying shit like "CHING CHING WONG WONG" "you're asian you shoot people" etc. Also lots of whities call me "v-tech" yeah I may look like him but apparently it's funny to do that because they can't stop laughing after they say that. I mean I got good hispanic friends but some of them just won't stop going like "WAZZAP CHING CHONG DONG DONG FONG YEEAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH". I get this kinda all the time it sucks.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on July 12, 2008, 04:10:21 am
point and click

also who changed the topic title?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bunsen.05 on July 12, 2008, 06:14:02 am
I honestly don't think I'm racist, I'm more classist (if thats the word and 'a' word). I hate anyone of any race who I see as scum, it doesnt matter what background they come from if they are a drugged up criminal who does nothing with their life except "bludge off the dole" (For non-Australians, google this phrase to understand it) then I will treat them with nothing but disdain. Actually I treat most people with disdain, it seems to be my natural default setting when meeting new people. Though I do hold some extra hatred for White Trash (being white myself I don't know if this is significant or not).

I'm not racist, I share my hatred for the human race around eqaully.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Farren on July 12, 2008, 07:26:16 am
I used to "translate" to my friends ghetto talk and say alot of racist shit in ironic ways (I still do that (its a tough habit to beat(kind of like using the words gay, faggot, twink)))

But I do remember being like a REALLY racist little kid, I didn't HATE anyone because they were a different race. But I said some really fucked up shit.

Like, this black kid used to always run faster than me in PE and I kept yelling at him "THE ONLY REASON YOU'RE FASTER IS BECAUSE OF YOU'RE BLACK!!"

later on he stopped running at all and just walked the track, I don't know if its because of what I said though.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Cho on July 12, 2008, 07:55:32 am
When I turned on the TV and only saw white people, I threw up. That's when I realized that white people are useless scum.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Kaworu on July 12, 2008, 08:51:23 am
I'm not racist, I share my hatred for the human race around eqaully.
We call that being 13. I think everyone has that phase for about a year.

Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Pulits on July 12, 2008, 11:47:14 am
there are jews in mexico?

Yes... unfortunately. :(
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Vellfire on July 12, 2008, 11:50:43 am
Yes... unfortunately. :(

....and....there's enough of them to where it's a big enough group for you to lump them together and hate them?


fuck i am LEARNING today
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: RPG on July 12, 2008, 12:48:46 pm
the first black person I met was some really dark (blackest of black) African athlete who was visiting my uncle (also an athlete). The black guy was really tall and weird looking to a 4 years old and when he shook my hand I rushed to the bathroom to wipe the black off my hand before it spreads to the rest of my body

yeah :(
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Rajew on July 12, 2008, 01:24:39 pm
 The 'neighborhood' I live in is almost entirely card-carrying KKK members so a lot of people in the area are really racist because nobody actually knows any blacks so when they hear a group of kids preaching about how 'niggers are ruinin' society' and 'string 'em up!' they just go along with it ((to be popular) my area is almost entirely worthless human beings)

There used to be only like, one black dude in like a 20 mile radius and he lived with us. He was also the biggest dick I've ever met and grounded me every single day. Also his nephews would steal video games from me and it was overall really terrible experience for me.  Since they were the only black people I knew and I was like 8-9, I assumed all black people were assholes.

There are literally 5 black people that live in my area now, and I'm friends with one of them (thus becoming friends with the other four (his family) i guess??). I stand up for them whenever I hear racist bullshit being spouted, so I guess I'm not racist, although I get really uncomfortable in ghetto areas of the cities nearby.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: bible_basher on July 12, 2008, 01:40:20 pm
i live in an area which pretty much 90% of the people are either pakistani, bangladeshi or indian. idk if this is is PREJUDICE or anything but i tend to stay away from pakistanis, because of my own experience with them(though i do have friends who are pakistani).
i used to be really racist though, like i used to HATE WHITE/ASIANS and only liked people who were african. there is a hindu dude in my class(im cool with him now) and i used to be COMPLETELY PREJUDICED towards him. i had total disregard for anything he had to say and i wouldn't say YOU HINDU FUCK but i would make it obvious that i didn't like him.

these days im completely moderate and do not care for race, but i'll make stereotypical jokes to my friends(not serious at all, just like to MESS AROUND and i wouldn't care for their reply).

basically if someone's a dick i'll make it clear that YOU ARE A DICK and if they're cool then i don't care about them


this post is very abstract sorry for any IMPROPER SEMANTICS/STRUCTURE OF POST
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: 4Dsheep on July 12, 2008, 02:03:36 pm
I don't really get why people say "well I used to be racist against X but now I am friends with individuals of race X so now I'm not racist at all". Do you people keep some sort of checklist? Are you still racist about every other ethnicity you haven't encountered yet? When you meet a stranger of race X, do you assume that person will be the same as the people of race X you have already met? If you answer yes to any of these questions, how does that not make you a racist?

Personally, I'm politically correct. Not the thesaurus-wielding kind, the 'leaving that stupid stuff out' kind. Except Americans. Though I guess that isn't so much racism as it is making silly jokes about silly people.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Rajew on July 12, 2008, 02:15:34 pm
I don't really get why people say "well I used to be racist against X but now I am friends with individuals of race X so now I'm not racist at all". Do you people keep some sort of checklist? Are you still racist about every other ethnicity you haven't encountered yet? When you meet a stranger of race X, do you assume that person will be the same as the people of race X you have already met? If you answer yes to any of these questions, how does that not make you a racist?

Personally, I'm politically correct. Not the thesaurus-wielding kind, the 'leaving that stupid stuff out' kind. Except Americans. Though I guess that isn't so much racism as it is making silly jokes about silly people.

that is racism????
if I walk up to you and said "two niggers walk into a bar...blablabla *bad racist joke punchline*" and said "oh it's just a silly joke about silly people" would that be cool with you?

also I suppose we are all definitely racists because it's kind of human nature to do those things you know! like, if I encounter a dog and it growls at me, the next time I encounter a dog, I will assume it will growl at me (especially if I was a young child). now I'm gonna continue with this dog analogy for a bit. So now I've had a bad experience with a dog, I think all dogs are terrible. I hate dogs. I meet four more dogs, who are all nice and friendly. Now I like dogs, and think that first one was just an asshole dog. Now replace dogs with [ethnic ][/ethnic]. See it works exactly the same.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: fatty on July 12, 2008, 03:30:28 pm
I haven't been a racist since I was first introduced to the term(1994). Them racists. Fuck 'em.[/cocky]
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: 4Dsheep on July 12, 2008, 03:34:24 pm
that is racism????
if I walk up to you and said "two niggers walk into a bar...blablabla *bad racist joke punchline*" and said "oh it's just a silly joke about silly people" would that be cool with you?
No, because you'd be lying. And I meant 'plural of person' people, not 'group' people. And I guess I shouldn't have said 'Americans', but rather 'capitalists', 'christians', 'fascists', and 'patriots'. It's not so much the people that are born in the USA but rather the mindset of the USA. I'm sorry if I offended you.

I never said I didn't discriminate based on beliefs. In my opinion, it's okay to dislike nazis or hippies or marxists, or other things you only know about people after meeting them.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Mama Luigi on July 12, 2008, 07:28:40 pm
I can safely say I was never racist in the slightest.

However, I would - in a heartbeat - cross the street to avoid a bunch of black thugs :)

I don't consider this racism... I consider it self-preservation.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 12, 2008, 07:49:08 pm
man i don't get that

where do you live that you are afraid to WALK PAST PEOPLE ON THE STREET?  i've been in some hairy places and i've never had to cross the street out of fear.  what's more why do you even feel the need to specify what color the thugs are to begin with????  if you just said you'd cross the street to avoid some shady looking dudes in general it'd be alright i would've said man you live in a dangerous place if you're afraid of that type of shit and thought that you were maybe overreacting but w/e, but the fact that it is BLACK THUGS (the worst kind.......) implies that it is only black thugs and not all thuggish people, and is pretty ridiculous (also racist).
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Kaworu on July 12, 2008, 07:53:42 pm
I ain't racist I just stay clear of black people
I ain't sexist I just don't trust women
I ain't homophobic they just make me uncomfortable
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: mkkmypet on July 12, 2008, 08:29:48 pm
i don't really think i'm racist.
up until like 6th grade i wasn't very aware of races. i had (and still continue to have) friends of many different races, and it doesn't affect us at all. but going to school and growing up in and around detroit has made me more aware of racism. at school, there's a group of "ghetto" (even though they've grown up outside of detroit in a very safe and white town) black (and a few white) people who are segregate themselves from others and are very rude when they're together. most people dislike them and they're known as the "black brigade". i don't really like them as a whole, but when i'm talking to some of them individually, we're kinda friends. i feel sorry for them, though. it's like, whenever the rest of the black brigade is around they have to act... well, stupid. they all are incredibly dumb, no joke. they don't care about school, and they joke about it. "yeeah boi man i ain't gonna care bout no stupid teachas givin me crap yo i just gonna sit here in class and i aint gonna care but dem". and then they all laugh. i just think it's sad to see people not caring about education at all.
i'm friends with a few people of the black brigade and sometimes they're genuinely funny and cool. but as a whole, i strongly dislike when people act like that.
so i'm not really racist, but i don't like terrible people, no matter what race they are (and sadly they usually do happen to be black).
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: pburn on July 12, 2008, 08:54:52 pm
the black brigade............................................
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Ryan on July 12, 2008, 09:05:56 pm
hahahaha mkkmypet
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: fatty on July 12, 2008, 09:06:59 pm
will you tell us the difference between being black and being "black"
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Mongoloid on July 12, 2008, 09:10:53 pm
FACT: Black people can have sickle cell anemia and interracial breeding will allow other races to have it.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Roman on July 12, 2008, 09:45:47 pm
jesus some of you people are terrible
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ase on July 12, 2008, 09:56:07 pm
so i'm not really racist, but i don't like terrible people, no matter what race they are (and sadly they usually do happen to be black).
hahahahahahahahaha. i thought you were actually going to make a decent post up until this last sentence

a) you're implying that people are "terrible" based on a lack of a desire to learn, which you're naively assuming makes someone innately BAD and isn't.... idk... often based on external factors such as income, not getting enough attention at school, a bad home life, just basically not enough resources and support from parents, school, and peers

b) you can't POSSIBLY believe that "terrible" people are "usually" black unless you make an effort to completely fucking IGNORE "terrible" WHITE people around you who do the exact same things you deem "terrible" such as ROB BANKS and HATE LEARNING and CUSSING and NOT BELIEVE IN GOD ALMIGHTY
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: jamie on July 12, 2008, 10:06:19 pm
mmkmypet is actually gonna learn though so it's worth pulling her up for shit like this. unlike most of us known dicks, she is young as hell and in ten years she's gonna be a woman completely different from this shit with any luck, if what she's said in the past is anything to go by.

don't get me wrong though mmkmypet, i think you are a huge idiot, but i don't think it's your fault or anything. you are just young is all.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Cheshire Cat on July 12, 2008, 10:22:57 pm
I am not a racist.

I've got no contradictory follow comment to that, i'm just not and loads of you seem to be! That's pretty horrible.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 12, 2008, 10:38:12 pm
man the sheer amount of IM NOT RACIST BUT.... <UNAMBIGUOUSLY RACIST STATEMENT> posts in this topic is actually pretty surprising.  a lot of you guys sure do have dumb misconceptions!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: GirlBones on July 12, 2008, 11:45:48 pm
i was not a racist when i was younger, but now i naturally assume that all white people i encounter will be utterly detestable and will do nothing with their empty lives beyond further the ruin of modern civilization. i do not get this feeling with any other people, just white americans.

although i don't know if this is being racist or just SENSIBLE. depends on who you ask, i guess.

i share these feelings but i also extend them to wealthy people of any race

also i hate japanese people (not like, japanese-americans or whatever, but people who LIVE IN JAPAN) because i find so much of their culture retarded and backwards




also also also also

about tipping

i have worked in three different restaurants now and here is what i have to say about tipping: never tip more than 5% ever ever

ever

fuck waiters and waitresses they like to talk about how hard they all work but thats all bullshit. they only work about half as hard as everyone else in the restaurant but they consistently make more money

so yeah fuck with them and give a small tip
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Dale Gobbler on July 13, 2008, 12:18:15 am
The most racist my old school got was different races segregating themselves at lunch tables. But other than that, once everyone got into their classes, everyone was pretty much cool with everyone else, or maybe they weren't and I just didn't notice/care.

Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Boulvae on July 13, 2008, 12:40:37 am
Yeah I hold bias's towards different races, but only the ones i've had minimal contact with. Probably because I have nothing else to go by.

For instance all the Greeks that I know of will try to cheat me out of as much money as possible when it comes down to anything involving work and thay actually do have to pay for it. If I offer any labor for free they'll take it up in an instant. So this has caused me to think that all if not most Greeks are penny pinchers.

I think the Chinese are worse, where they'll ask for a service that requires tons of money then they refuse to pay you, because they technically don't have to in Canada and they have a list of different phone numbers just incase they are refused service by one of them. The Vietnamese will pay if you are atleast friends with them or know them, and the Japanese will try and talk the price down like no tomorrow.

Unfortunently my bias towards these groups have not been proven wrong as of yet, which only strengthens the notion a bit.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ase on July 13, 2008, 12:43:02 am
i have worked in three different restaurants now and here is what i have to say about tipping: never tip more than 5% ever ever

ever

fuck waiters and waitresses they like to talk about how hard they all work but thats all bullshit. they only work about half as hard as everyone else in the restaurant but they consistently make more money

so yeah fuck with them and give a small tip
li
uhhhhh..........

i'm hoping you realize that waiters and waitresses have a totally different minimum wage law in most states and usually make like $2.50-$3.00 an hour????????? It's a whopping $3.90 in Arizona!

yeah, waiters and waitresses may not have the most DIRTY JOB when compared to dishwashers and what not , but depending on how busy a restaurant is, they often really have to sweat to earn their measly change. If you've ever read Nickel and Dimed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_and_Dimed) you'd see how difficult it is in most states to make a living on a job as a waiter/waitress
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Alec on July 13, 2008, 12:45:11 am
li
uhhhhh..........

i'm hoping you realize that waiters and waitresses have a totally different minimum wage law in most states and usually make like $2.50-$3.00 an hour????????? It's a whopping $3.90 in Arizona!

yeah, waiters and waitresses may not have the most DIRTY JOB when compared to dishwashers and what not , but depending on how busy a restaurant is, they often really have to sweat to earn their measly change. If you've ever read Nickel and Dimed (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nickel_and_Dimed) you'd see how difficult it is in most states to make a living on a job as a waiter/waitress
Other than the fact that the minimum wage laws also say that if they don't make the difference up in tips, the employer has to, so at worst they will be making 6.15/hr
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: GirlBones on July 13, 2008, 12:48:41 am
whoa whoa whoa dont think i dont know about that shit im not some fucking retard

if the restaurant is busy then yeah they have to work harder but so does everyone else! think about it man a waiter's job is GREET PEOPLE*, MEMORIZE ORDER*, BRING FOOD, TAKE PAYMENT - IT ISNT THAT FUCKING HARD

* - not always

also i have read nickel and dimed and i have met the author and i have attended a play based on the book so yeah it is hard to get by on just a waiter's wages but my point is that THOSE FUCKING FAGGOTS NEED TO STOP PLAYING UP HOW HARD THEIR JOB IS BECAUSE LOTS OF JOBS ARE HARD AND AS JOBS GO THEIRS IS PRETTY DAMN EASY
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 13, 2008, 01:02:43 am
girlbones you are dumb.  if the restaurant is dead and servers are standing around they also aren't making money while the people in the back standing around (bussers, food runners, line cooks, dishwashers) get paid an actual wage regardless of whether or not the restaurant is busy.  yes, they make more money, but you don't really have a good perspective of things because it sounds like you've never actually served!  no job is difficult in a restaurant, and i admit line cooks and dishwashers have SHITTIER jobs, but they're easier, too.  i've been on a line and in a dish tank; it's a way easier job!  dishwashers wash dishes and nothing else, bussers bus, runners run food, hostesses WALK TEN FEET AND BACK, and line cooks just take orders and make food.  none of this is challenging or really requires any thought whatsoever!  a server has to interact with people, know restaurant shit, be affable, monitor like 5 tables of people who WANT shit, and manage his time effectively or else he will suck at his job!!!  it requires a pretty good deal of organization to have like 5+ 4-tops at once and not get weeded as fuck (hehehe industry term.....).

w/e man i'm not saying it's hard because it sort of is at first and then not really, but it requires a lot more than basically any other job in a restaurant that is not management or bartending, so just because you don't slave over a hot grill doesn't mean it's an easier or less stressful job, because it's actually the complete opposite, if only because you get held accountable for much more than anyone else.  i think it's more CHALLENGING than other grosser jobs so imo the fact that i make like 25-30/hr on a good night is alright, not only because the job actually requires some degree of thought and organization, but also because it's much more inconsistent without a high normal wage and there are slow times when i only make like 10/hr so it balances out i think.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ase on July 13, 2008, 01:12:42 am
also i have read nickel and dimed and i have met the author and i have attended a play based on the book so yeah it is hard to get by on just a waiter's wages but my point is that THOSE FUCKING FAGGOTS NEED TO STOP PLAYING UP HOW HARD THEIR JOB IS BECAUSE LOTS OF JOBS ARE HARD AND AS JOBS GO THEIRS IS PRETTY DAMN EASY
yeah, except that wasn't your original point at all. you were saying TIP THEM 5% BECAUSE THEY DON'T DESERVE IT, which I take offense to and find very inconsiderate

I agree waiting tables isn't CONSTRUCTION WORKER or SEWAGE PLANT DISPOSAL so yeah if you hear them saying "*pant pant* this is the hardest job ever i cant imagine ever being more tired *wheeze*" go ahead and yell YOU DUBMO

but to say DONT TIP MORE THAN 5% EVER EVER is really ridiculous
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Mama Luigi on July 13, 2008, 01:24:03 am
man i don't get that

where do you live that you are afraid to WALK PAST PEOPLE ON THE STREET?  i've been in some hairy places and i've never had to cross the street out of fear.  what's more why do you even feel the need to specify what color the thugs are to begin with????  if you just said you'd cross the street to avoid some shady looking dudes in general it'd be alright i would've said man you live in a dangerous place if you're afraid of that type of shit and thought that you were maybe overreacting but w/e, but the fact that it is BLACK THUGS (the worst kind.......) implies that it is only black thugs and not all thuggish people, and is pretty ridiculous (also racist).
Have you ever been to north Minneapolis? The gun related violence is outragous. http://www.bestplaces.net/crime/?city1=52743000&city2=51714000

No man I even thought about wording it just "thugs" but I wanted to get the point across that it's not racist to dodge shady looking people of a different ethnicity. I mean, yeah if they were a biker gang I'd avoid those too (predominately white) but I don't see many of those walking around the streets sooo.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 13, 2008, 01:32:42 am
well dude i have been in some of the worst areas of cleveland which, according to that, is a 7/10 and i don't really think crossing the street would protect you if there was really any danger of GETTING KNIFED or some shit anyway.


anyway if you wanted to get that point across you should've just said I AVOID SHADY PEOPLE OF ANY RACE because saying you avoid black thugs make you seem like mkkmypet and many other people who harbor unreasonable fears around blacks.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ase on July 13, 2008, 01:40:19 am
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unreasonable fears around blacks.
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Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: GirlBones on July 13, 2008, 01:45:43 am
girlbones you are dumb.  if the restaurant is dead and servers are standing around they also aren't making money while the people in the back standing around (bussers, food runners, line cooks, dishwashers) get paid an actual wage regardless of whether or not the restaurant is busy.  yes, they make more money, but you don't really have a good perspective of things because it sounds like you've never actually served!  no job is difficult in a restaurant, and i admit line cooks and dishwashers have SHITTIER jobs, but they're easier, too.  i've been on a line and in a dish tank; it's a way easier job!  dishwashers wash dishes and nothing else, bussers bus, runners run food, hostesses WALK TEN FEET AND BACK, and line cooks just take orders and make food.  none of this is challenging or really requires any thought whatsoever!  a server has to interact with people, know restaurant shit, be affable, monitor like 5 tables of people who WANT shit, and manage his time effectively or else he will suck at his job!!!  it requires a pretty good deal of organization to have like 5+ 4-tops at once and not get weeded as fuck (hehehe industry term.....).

w/e man i'm not saying it's hard because it sort of is at first and then not really, but it requires a lot more than basically any other job in a restaurant that is not management or bartending, so just because you don't slave over a hot grill doesn't mean it's an easier or less stressful job, because it's actually the complete opposite, if only because you get held accountable for much more than anyone else.  i think it's more CHALLENGING than other grosser jobs so imo the fact that i make like 25-30/hr on a good night is alright, not only because the job actually requires some degree of thought and organization, but also because it's much more inconsistent without a high normal wage and there are slow times when i only make like 10/hr so it balances out i think.

okay i hate to have to clarify this after i get called out or whatever but my thoughts on this are that everyone in the restaurant should get paid more and tips should be spread around i am pissed off that fucking servers get to go home with more than 100 bucks in their pocket after a busy night when all i have in mine is grime i made that post after eight hours of listening to servers bitch about how hard their job is and how little they get paid but that may be because they are white people

also i think you are full of shit GOD FOR-FUCKING-BID servers should have to DEAL WITH PEOPLE and REMEMBER THINGS my main job is dishwasher but there are nights when i have covered for servers bussers and prep cooks so its not like i dont have any experience dealing with these things. i have only never been a line cook or a bartender or a manager or a host

man how can you say that THINKING ABOUT THINGS makes a job hard seriously this is something i do every day at work in addition to the job i do!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 13, 2008, 01:51:15 am
yeah most of them are bitches about their jobs (ESPECIALLY the women heh) but i mean you shouldn't stiff someone if they gave you good service or give them 5% and if you've filled in for servers (ahaha i have never seen anyone ask a dishwasher to fill in for a server where do you work???) then you know that YEAH dishwashing is a suckier job by far but at the same time you can listen to music and zone out while doing it, and even do it stoned, and none of them is even remotely an option for a server in any decent restaurant.  i'm not saying you should complain about having to deal with people or remember things because it's part of your job (the ONLY part) but that doesnt mean it's not more difficult than washing dishes while fucking stoned or clearing dishes off a table.  i washed dishes forever and bussed/food ran for a long time and was always HEH FUCKEN SERVERS THEIR SHIT IS EASY but when i started serving years ago i was pretty surprised at how much more difficult it was than the shit i'd been doing before!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Pulits on July 13, 2008, 01:55:29 am
....and....there's enough of them to where it's a big enough group for you to lump them together and hate them?


fuck i am LEARNING today

I don't hate them. But as I said, they're generally disliked here in Mexico. They have a racist attitude towards the rest of the population and everyone else is like "wtf". And yes, as I said. They're really harsh, uneducated, unrespectful, intolerant, bla bla, and they want us to be like really cool to them. WTF.

I mean, Mexico is a racist country but in some other strange way, yet, at the same time it is really tolerable towards race, specially to foreigners.

Back to the topic... JEWS. Man. They have their odd churches everywhere, they're allowed to skip certain days because of their strange religion. Oh yes, and most of them are tax avoiders.  :mad:
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Mongoloid on July 13, 2008, 08:08:04 am
Sorry forgot to clear up that I'm not racist lol.

I figure the sickle cell thing is kinda a shot to the balls, as it is true, but you're pretty despicable if you see that a valid reason to disassociate yourself with them. I actually learned about it when there were some neo-nazis on jerry springer.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Marmot on July 13, 2008, 08:30:25 am
just for the record i live in mexico and i have never met a jew here in my entire life.............
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: 4Dsheep on July 13, 2008, 10:04:43 am
Sorry forgot to clear up that I'm not racist lol.

I figure the sickle cell thing is kinda a shot to the balls, as it is true, but you're pretty despicable if you see that a valid reason to disassociate yourself with them. I actually learned about it when there were some neo-nazis on jerry springer.
And you believe neo-nazis? Dude, what the hell?

ANYONE can have sickle cell disease. I know people from Sweden with the sickle cell trait. You better stop associating with southern europeans too since it's pretty common with them as well and you might catch the genetic disorder from them too! Basically anyone whose ancestors from about a millennium back had to deal with malaria can have it! Where are you from? You might be a carrier!

You're not despicable, you're bloody BRAIN DEAD if you think it's a valid reason.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: jamie on July 13, 2008, 10:10:27 am
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li
uhhhhh..........

i'm hoping you realize that waiters and waitresses have a totally different minimum wage law in most states and usually make like $2.50-$3.00 an hour????????? It's a whopping $3.90 in Arizona!

yeah, waiters and waitresses may not have the most DIRTY JOB when compared to dishwashers and what not , but depending on how busy a restaurant is, they often really have to sweat to earn their measly change. If you've ever read Nickel and Dimed you'd see how difficult it is in most states to make a living on a job as a waiter/waitress

uhhhh this is totally ridiculous. i'm not saying i don't believe you but that's about £1.50 an hour and considering the whole recession thing right now prices are high. so i think making £1.50 an hour would put you into poverty!

how can a different minimum wage for certain jobs be justified?

also man a lot of you guys are really big assholes. i thought some of you were joking but then you come back and make serious posts trying to justify your prejudice!

Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Alec on July 13, 2008, 10:13:27 am
uhhhh this is totally ridiculous. i'm not saying i don't believe you but that's about £1.50 an hour and considering the whole recession thing right now prices are high. so i think making £1.50 an hour would put you into poverty!

how can a different minimum wage for certain jobs be justified?
Other than the fact that the minimum wage laws also say that if they don't make the difference up in tips, the employer has to, so at worst they will be making 6.15/hr

They aren't. They have the same minimum wage, but the employers can set their hourly wage that low. If they don't make it up in tips then the employer has to.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Ryan on July 13, 2008, 10:15:57 am
uhhhh this is totally ridiculous. i'm not saying i don't believe you but that's about £1.50 an hour and considering the whole recession thing right now prices are high. so i think making £1.50 an hour would put you into poverty!

how can a different minimum wage for certain jobs be justified?

also man a lot of you guys are really big assholes. i thought some of you were joking but then you come back and make serious posts trying to justify your prejudice!



that's how it works for waiters and waitresses. the minimum wage is much lower because of tips
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: jamie on July 13, 2008, 10:19:18 am
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They aren't. They have the same minimum wage, but the employers can set their hourly wage that low. If they don't make it up in tips then the employer has to.

that's not as bad as i thought it was but it is still really shitty. so if you have a really good week in tips (meaning you probably put more effort in) then your employer is gonna pay you less?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: HL on July 13, 2008, 10:33:00 am
They aren't. They have the same minimum wage, but the employers can set their hourly wage that low. If they don't make it up in tips then the employer has to.

I'm pretty sure this isn't correct at all man? Unless if it's just a law for your state, as I haven't found anything that says this.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Alec on July 13, 2008, 10:41:56 am
http://www.dol.gov/wb/faq26.htm:
Quote from: the department of labor
Question: Is it legal for waiters and waitresses to be paid below the minimum wage?

Answer: An employer may credit a portion of a tipped employee's tips against the federal minimum wage of $5.85 per hour effective July 24, 2007. An employer must pay at least $2.13 per hour. However, if an employee's tips combined with the employer's wage of $2.13 per hour do not equal the hourly minimum wage, the employer is required to make up the difference.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Pulits on July 13, 2008, 11:24:30 am
just for the record i live in mexico and i have never met a jew here in my entire life.............


Yes dude, but you don't live in Mexico City. If you ever come here, go to Polanco, you'll be amazed.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Lyndon on July 13, 2008, 11:35:26 am
man i don't get that

where do you live that you are afraid to WALK PAST PEOPLE ON THE STREET?  i've been in some hairy places and i've never had to cross the street out of fear.  what's more why do you even feel the need to specify what color the thugs are to begin with????  if you just said you'd cross the street to avoid some shady looking dudes in general it'd be alright i would've said man you live in a dangerous place if you're afraid of that type of shit and thought that you were maybe overreacting but w/e, but the fact that it is BLACK THUGS (the worst kind.......) implies that it is only black thugs and not all thuggish people, and is pretty ridiculous (also racist).

You'be obviously never been to London :p

A lot of the gangs out there, I would say 90% are black and they are usually little shits that carry knives and are just looking for trouble. If you walked past them on your own even during the day their is a risk they would start something. Of course this is the same for some white gangs, but unfortunately for some reason they are more than often all black :/

http://www.city-journal.org/html/eon2007-04-12hm.html

I hate talking about it sometimes becuase you sound racist when you categorise the criminals into an ethnic group, but it's hard to avoid not bringing up the fact that the majority of these kids come from rough black communities of London.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Sludgelord on July 13, 2008, 11:47:49 am
no kidding, you guys are awful.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Holy Cow on July 13, 2008, 02:03:19 pm
I'm not exactly sure what racism is. I know that when you believe that races define someone's character and culture and intelligence is racism but I don't believe that when someone believes races have differences is a racist.

Anyway, I don't know of this is racism but I've felt many times that the world would be much better if some people were dead. In Greece where I live, Greeks believe they are the best people around. That they are the base of all democracy and society generally. That they are the most intelligent the most beautiful and the most important people in the world. They are racist with albanians and other immigrants that have come to greece and they tend to forget they were themselves immigrants in germany/america/aus/any other country about 20-30 years before. Those are the people I feel sorry for, and I'd like them dead. They are of no help to greek society but what they do instead is to make even more shitty than it already is. I really believe that this country could use some Great (BBall) Purge, removing all the stupid, egoistic, undercultured greek idiots that walk the greek lands every day.

Notice: I'm greek but have lived outside this is why I see things this way
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Moriason on July 13, 2008, 02:34:09 pm
fucking natives need to get some jobs in canada
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 13, 2008, 06:38:39 pm
ahaha man i love how so people are like FOR SOME REASON MOST OF THEM ARE BLACK like this is not something that can be explained pretty easily without racism even entering the picture
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Lyndon on July 13, 2008, 06:47:41 pm
well the point was that its not racist. The guy who brought this up just said that he would avoid a bunch of thugs who statistically are more likely to be black than white in some areas of the world. I guess he was trying to say that by avoiding these thugs doesn't make him racist. I'm sure he would avoid a gang of white thugs aswell, it's just vastly uncommon in some parts of the world. I don't know where he lives but in London everyone knows that black crime is the most dominant. It's just statistics and facts. It's not saying every black man is a thug, but it seems the majority of young thugs in London are black :/
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: thecatamites on July 13, 2008, 07:23:46 pm
I don't think I was ever really racist about black or asian people or whatever, but for the longest time I had this intense hatred of the English... Not because I actually knew and disliked any english people, but more because I'm irish and that whole thing was just what I grew up with. In school we learned about british invaders slaughtering peasants and leaving them to die during the famine and Bloody Sunday and all that stuff, and at home my parents would play all these Christy Moore rebel songs, and quite a few of my teachers and relatives were really hardline republican dudes who talked admiringly about the fucking IRA and had all these horror stories about british soldiers, so I just kind of picked up all these horrible views about all english people being arrogant, child-murdering, imperialist cunts. I grew out of it by the time I was 13 or so, though, although it took me much longer to get rid of the belief that the IRA were freedom fighters while groups like the UVF were just murderous terrorists.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Mongoloid on July 13, 2008, 07:45:03 pm
And you believe neo-nazis? Dude, what the hell?

Not sure if this is an attack or something, since I clearly said I don't agree with this logic, but a quick wiki search reveals you pretty much elaborated on everything I said. Great job!

Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Kaworu on July 13, 2008, 08:08:15 pm
I don't think I was ever really racist about black or asian people or whatever, but for the longest time I had this intense hatred of the English... Not because I actually knew and disliked any english people, but more because I'm irish and that whole thing was just what I grew up with. In school we learned about british invaders slaughtering peasants and leaving them to die during the famine and Bloody Sunday and all that stuff, and at home my parents would play all these Christy Moore rebel songs, and quite a few of my teachers and relatives were really hardline republican dudes who talked admiringly about the fucking IRA and had all these horror stories about british soldiers, so I just kind of picked up all these horrible views about all english people being arrogant, child-murdering, imperialist cunts.
You may have grown out of the view, but it doesn't change the fact that it's true!

also this pic sums up this topic :(
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/26992/noddy-makes-a-mistake-garage-book-3.jpg)
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on July 13, 2008, 09:59:43 pm
well the point was that its not racist. The guy who brought this up just said that he would avoid a bunch of thugs who statistically are more likely to be black than white in some areas of the world.

i think the only place this is true is africa, in most other countries about 10% of the population max is black.



Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 13, 2008, 10:10:35 pm
i think the only place this is true is africa, in most other countries about 10% of the population max is black.
and yet somehow they account for 90% of the crime....  -_-
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Marmot on July 13, 2008, 10:24:21 pm
a lot of gangs are made up of blacks not because black GENES have a predisposition to crime but because blacks are generally more disenchanfrized socially and economically - this due to a long history of opression and exploitation coupled with institutional racism (for example, in detroit its very difficult for black people to get a good rate of mortgage). while comfortable middle class chump wont feel the need to mug people in midnight.


------------ifthere is a gw meet inthe northeast dont invite headphonics because he is black andhe may be a thug heheh

Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ase on July 14, 2008, 12:37:57 am
------------ifthere is a gw meet inthe northeast dont invite headphonics because he is black andhe may be a thug heheh


w.whoah!!! is this true??
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 14, 2008, 12:51:08 am
this one time when i was in 8th or 9th grade after i got expelled and was going to this school for delinquents i saw this one black kid named leroy take down three cops and then jump out a second story window
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: GirlBones on July 14, 2008, 01:06:43 am
holy shit i bet he could run fast
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 14, 2008, 01:59:05 am
are you sure he didn't jump into the second story window?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Erave on July 14, 2008, 02:35:28 am
one time after a gig I stopped to get gas at around 11 pm and picked up a old black guy and took him way off the road to his hotel room and gave him 15 bucks.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 14, 2008, 02:35:48 am
I dunno if this counts as racism but I used to think I hated the spanish language, but as it turns out I just really hate SPANISH TEACHER SPANISH where every word is accentuated and for some reason they're always really loud and it hurts my ears. it should be said that in every case the teacher was like a white suburban mom with spanish as second language. real spanish actually sounds pretty great, I personally like the dominican dialect and what dialects I've heard from south america a lot

anyway I don't think you can actually hate a language without being racist unless it's japanese.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Sludgelord on July 14, 2008, 03:04:47 am
one time after a gig I stopped to get gas at around 11 pm and picked up a old black guy and took him way off the road to his hotel room and gave him 15 bucks.
did you tell him it was his reparations?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Erave on July 14, 2008, 03:09:32 am
did you tell him it was his reparations?

he put a gun to my head and made me pay him I had no choice
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Marmot on July 14, 2008, 06:43:24 am
headphonics is black how do you feel about this thread headphonics????????????????
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 14, 2008, 09:56:18 am
I dunno if this counts as racism but I used to think I hated the spanish language, but as it turns out I just really hate SPANISH TEACHER SPANISH where every word is accentuated and for some reason they're always really loud and it hurts my ears. it should be said that in every case the teacher was like a white suburban mom with spanish as second language. real spanish actually sounds pretty great, I personally like the dominican dialect and what dialects I've heard from south america a lot

anyway I don't think you can actually hate a language without being racist unless it's japanese.
why, man?  i think it's pretty alright to hate a language for the way it sounds or how difficult it is to speak.  obviously it doesn't mean it is an INFERIOR LANGUAGE but the way shit hits your ears is a largely subjective experience, so i don't really see how it qualifies a person as a racist if they say "man it just sounds awful to me" or "fuuuuck this is hard to speak/understand fuck this language".  for instance i like the way japanese sounds a lot but i dislike most other east/southeast asian languages like mandarin and cambodian.  i don't think this makes me a racist!  this isn't based on anything other than a general distaste for how they sound from an outside perspective, though, but i think i'd be okay with hating them because they were difficult to learn and were horribly inconsistent (i've heard foreigners talk about their general annoyance with the english language for those same reasons and didn't perceive it as racism!  plus tbh it probably doesn't sound so hot either if you speak another language).
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Vellfire on July 14, 2008, 12:49:55 pm
Also man language has nothing to do with race.  At all.  I agree with headphonics, but even someone on the other side of the argument would at best be able to say it's prejudice towards a country or something.  Even then, a lot of languages are really spread out over large groups (think about how many countries use Spanish or English or German), so you really can't apply it very well to the people.  You pretty much HAVE to just hate the language, it's pretty hard to hate everyone that speaks Spanish.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Ragnar on July 14, 2008, 03:46:30 pm
I don't know if I'm racist but I think of the most esoteric stuff, like "When they remake all these Japanese horror movies, why do they still keep it in Japan and the villain is still some creepy Japanese girl, why can't it still be scared Japanese people everything else is still Japanese - for some reason to domesticate the film they need to have Western people (mostly white it seems but just to be fair) even though the location and the ghost/whatever can stay Japanese. Oh and speaking English but they'll even have scenes in Japanese"

Man Shutter is a remake of a Thai horror film directed by a Japanese guy starring some ultra-white people in Japan

then again maybe it's secretly prejudiced against American because if they did have it in Thailand they'd be like "wtf is Thailand my world map consists of America center of the earth Canada Mexico those Frenchies Iraqistan and China and Japan and I know one of those is a really tiny island and the other has pandas"

also I think McDonald's commercials try way too hard to appeal to every single culture and ethnic group ever (I actually saw a commercial on now where the guy's spinning records and it goes "bacon lettuce cheese b-b-b-b-bacon le-le-le-lettuce cheese")

also I think black people do a better job with the English accent than white people from UK, like the singer from Faithless has the coolest voice ever
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Lars on July 14, 2008, 04:10:33 pm
not enough people are talking about the gypsies

in southern europe, if you sit down at a restaurant with outdoor tables, chances are a gypsie kid will come over to your table and either try to sell something or just beg for money. its kind of annoying when you're trying to eat your food with whoever your journey partner is
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 14, 2008, 04:26:43 pm
yeah you guys are right, though I'd make a distinction between disliking a language because it's really hard to learn and just hating it in general. still I guess it'd be better to say that hating a language can be linked to racism. I had a teacher who vocally hated spanish, I'm not sure but combined with other things he said it really made me think he was a racist. also when people say they hate spanish around here it often seems like they're calling upon the HISPANIC INVASION, they also mentioned how spanish is on everything nowadays etc. like talking about how much they hate the langauge is the biggest safe outlet for racism they've got.

I've never heard Khmer, I'm a LITTLE jealous
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bled on July 14, 2008, 04:47:26 pm
I'm not really racist.  I just severely dislike a certain set of behaviors that are predominantly performed by different races.  I really hate the people who surf through our apartment parking lot in their ghetto sleds blaring rap at an obscene volume.  I hate ebonics and the people who want to legitimize it.  I hate gas stations that are managed by Indians (dots not feathers) who refuse to hire, you know, actual American people.  I also hate Indian customer service agents who speak some butchered version of English that I can only halfway comprehend when my internet dies or my Lvl 32 Brute gets hacked.

Above all, the language issue really bothers me the most.  If you live in India and you're a customer service person then whatever, but if you're going to walk around in my country and bring 29 members of your family with you then learn the fucking language!  I think any newcomers to the United States should apply the same policy that our white ancestors did:  if you can't learn the language, CONQUER THE LAND and make your own!  If you aren't capable of either then go the fuck back to your hut and harvest rocks. 
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 14, 2008, 11:20:04 pm
hahaha BRING 29 MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY fuck you man.  i wouldn't have expected such a terrible post from you of all people!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: idiot kid on July 14, 2008, 11:21:08 pm
I'm not really racist.  I just severely dislike a certain set of behaviors that are predominantly performed by different races.  I really hate the people who surf through our apartment parking lot in their ghetto sleds blaring rap at an obscene volume.  I hate ebonics and the people who want to legitimize it.  I hate gas stations that are managed by Indians (dots not feathers) who refuse to hire, you know, actual American people.  I also hate Indian customer service agents who speak some butchered version of English that I can only halfway comprehend when my internet dies or my Lvl 32 Brute gets hacked.

Above all, the language issue really bothers me the most.  If you live in India and you're a customer service person then whatever, but if you're going to walk around in my country and bring 29 members of your family with you then learn the fucking language!  I think any newcomers to the United States should apply the same policy that our white ancestors did:  if you can't learn the language, CONQUER THE LAND and make your own!  If you aren't capable of either then go the fuck back to your hut and harvest rocks. 

jesus fucking christ you piece of shit
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 14, 2008, 11:26:45 pm
alright lets keep it clean guys this is a forum not the projects
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bled on July 14, 2008, 11:37:44 pm
Alright, well, I guess expecting someone to learn the native language of a country when they move there is a bit too ambitious.  Just don't blame me when you have to read the nutrition facts on your box of Count Chocula in seventeen different dialects! 
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 14, 2008, 11:41:19 pm
oh no i might have to.....p-press one for english......


AHHHHH!!!  GO BACK TO YOUR HUTS!!!!!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: big ass skelly on July 14, 2008, 11:44:15 pm
Loving this thread.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: local_dunce on July 14, 2008, 11:50:39 pm
Fucking yanks, get your own language. It's called English for a reason.

Man I had this EZCD once that taught you languages and it differentiated between american and english. It was like CRISPS. SAY CRISPS. CHIPS. SAY CHIPS. FRIES. SAY FRIES.

PANTS > TROUSERS.

LEARN ENGLISH TO AMERICAN IN 6 MONTHS.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: HL on July 14, 2008, 11:50:53 pm
man I hate when americans say "learn the language". You do realize that english is not the official language of the US and that the US has no official language??

There is no official language at the fed level, but U.S. naturalization laws standardize English. (ie: if you don't know it, you can't become a citizen.) So it might as well be.

Tho I agree, it's fuckin' annoying.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Randy Moist on July 14, 2008, 11:57:14 pm
Hey bled move out to the suburbs we've got loads of WHITE OWNED Gas stations. one on every corner pal

oh gated in baseball diamond too


also I have a problem with all the people I go to school with who like Toby Kieth.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 14, 2008, 11:59:24 pm
man I hate when americans say "learn the language". You do realize that english is not the official language of the US and that the US has no official language??
i mean it's a dumb thing to say but dawg a ridiculous segment of the population speaks english and only english.  the fact that it's not officially recognized as the LANGUAGE OF AMERICA doesn't mean much!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bled on July 15, 2008, 12:01:43 am
Sigh...

man I hate when americans say "learn the language". You do realize that english is not the official language of the US and that the US has no official language??

Wiki - United States
English is the de facto national language. Although there is no official language at the federal level, some laws—such as U.S. naturalization requirements—standardize English.

You speak as if you have some sort of...point.  It's like "hey guys welcome to amerika where your free to spea k languages whatever you want don't worry about the fact that 82% of the population cannot understand you!  there is no law here lool!!"

I really don't see what the big deal is.  Personally, I would not pack up everything I own and move to France without at least making an attempt to LEARN FRENCH. 

Also, I'm kinda wondering why my thoughts are so controversial when there are four more pages of pretty racist shit that no one really seemed to care about. 

Quote from: missingno
black people will always give you the hardest time and are PICKY AS BALLS . mostly it's black WOMEN though black guys are usually pretty cool.

man fuck you missingno...i hate americans and their constant "black people are pickier than us" shit....YOU'RE BETTER THAN THIS MAN.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: HL on July 15, 2008, 12:05:04 am
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I really don't see what the big deal is.  Personally, I would not pack up everything I own and move to France without at least making an attempt to LEARN FRENCH.

Cept French is the actual national language of France, and America doesn't have one for no apparent reason. (we are dumb)

The only people forced to learn English in the USA are a) people born here and b) people trying to become citizens. At no other point are you really forced to learn the language, unlike other countries where you are pretty much screwed in most cases.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 15, 2008, 12:06:17 am
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Also, I'm kinda wondering why my thoughts are so controversial when there are four more pages of pretty racist shit that no one really seemed to care about.
because nobody expected MKKMYPET to be especially racially conscious and you were like GW'S MOST VOCAL LIBERAL for years and also because you are making crass jokes about huts and harvesting rocks while most of the other idiots just said dumb things and did not actively make fun of the races they were prejudiced against.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bled on July 15, 2008, 12:12:14 am
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because nobody expected MKKMYPET to be especially racially conscious and you were like GW'S MOST VOCAL LIBERAL for years and also because you are making crass jokes about huts and harvesting rocks while most of the other idiots just said dumb things and did not actively make fun of the races they were prejudiced against.

Dude, it's not like I was serious!  I dunno, I guess I just take for granted the fact that people know I don't actually think like that.

EDIT:  Actually, I'm pretty serious about the language thing.  Just not about the huts and rock harvesting.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: idiot kid on July 15, 2008, 01:28:58 am
wait do you seriously have no idea how outrageously fucking racist and hateful that post was

I'm not really racist.  I just severely dislike a certain set of behaviors that are predominantly performed by different races.

the fact that you perceive BEHAVIORS PREDOMINATELY PERFORMED BY CERTAIN RACES is a symptom of your racism.  any group commonly considered a RACE consists of millions of fucking people and therefore an enormous variety and disparity of behaviors and tendencies.  similarly, any human behavior is performed by people from every different background and culture.  by associating any behavior or proclivity with a group of people defined solely by skin color or other factors of appearance (since the social idea of race has no connection whatever to geography or culture or ANYTHING except superficial perceptions and groupings of people), you  are homogenizing and denigrating the individuals you have chosen to occupy that group.  you are correlating behaviors with races, and whether you believe those behaviors to be positive or negative (although you have explicitly noted that you dislike them) you are guilty of RACISM.

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I really hate the people who surf through our apartment parking lot in their ghetto sleds blaring rap at an obscene volume.  I hate ebonics and the people who want to legitimize it.

so you're upset by noise.  this is pretty legitimate i suppose, but you have put together an image of the people causing the issue that bothers you and have directed your displeasure with that issue towards the people you believe to be responsible.  your specific invocation of people "in their ghetto sleds blaring rap" helps suggest to me that you are more willing to be upset by something if you can blame it on someone, particularly if the people you find blameworthy can reinforce your existing stereotypes.

additionally i like how you segue here into excessive use of the word HATE.  you claim to HATE THESE PEOPLE, which I take to mean that you are actively upset by their presence or even their existence due to the disruption they cause you.  i find it hard to accept that you have developed a continuous angry contempt for people in response to their keeping you up at night.  i am more inclined to believe (and maybe this is overly judgmental of me) that you have chosen to direct your anger towards this bothersome behavior because it helps justify a racist outlook that you harbored otherwise.

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I hate gas stations that are managed by Indians (dots not feathers) who refuse to hire, you know, actual American people.

this seems to me to assume a definition of American that excludes immigrants, even naturalized immigrants, to the United States.  what's more, i would guess that ethnically Indian people involved in the management of any given place you're talking about consists at least partially of people who were born in the United States, so such a definition of American is exclusionary of Indian people in general.  this outlook is really startling to me coming from you, since I remember a lot of liberalism coming through in your posts in the past, and i guess this attitude toward immigrants strikes me as very contrary to the ideas i usually associate with people who lean politically left.

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I also hate Indian customer service agents who speak some butchered version of English that I can only halfway comprehend when my internet dies or my Lvl 32 Brute gets hacked.

this seems to express a worldview that exalts white, American, English-speaking attitudes and righteousness and gets offended when immigrants or foreigners do anything but knuckle under to the culture of the United States.  also complaining about the service when MY LEVEL 32 BRUTE GOT HACKED is pretty pathetic and downright hilarious as a source of righteous indignation even if you weren't aggressing towards people who speak other languages.

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Above all, the language issue really bothers me the most.  If you live in India and you're a customer service person then whatever, but if you're going to walk around in my country and bring 29 members of your family with you then learn the fucking language!

jesus dude.  this is where your post just completely turns offensive.  29 MEMBERS OF YOUR FAMILY?  i was trying to be rational and explain why your post was racist and upsetting but this is just crude and even disturbing.  there's some more MY COUNTRY attitude here where LAND OF THE FREE GIVE ME YOUR HUDDLED MASSES YEARNING TO BE FREE gives way to blindly patriotic LEARN ENGLISH OR GET OUT rambling.  certainly, English is the most spoken language in the United States.  but it's not the official language for a very good reason: the academic ideas (regardless of the actual climates of racism and oppression which existed at the inception of the constitution) of the national government promote equality and acceptance of all different people above all else.  4/5 of the population speaks English, but this provides them with no license to hate or denigrate the minority.  language is such an important part of cultural and social identity that denying the validity of a language other than English for use in the United States -- or even demanding that English be used universally by Americans -- is equivalent to denying the validity of the cultural background of non-English speaking Americans.  it is not the responsibility of newcomers to the United States to DEAL WITH IT AND LEARN ENGLISH, it is YOUR responsibility to either accept the diversity of American culture and language or GOD FORBID learn a fucking language besides English and expand your understanding of your own country.  i really don't understand the LEARN ENGLISH OR GET OUT argument at all except as a product of racist attitudes.

and then you close it off with more shit:

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I think any newcomers to the United States should apply the same policy that our white ancestors did:  if you can't learn the language, CONQUER THE LAND and make your own!  If you aren't capable of either then go the fuck back to your hut and harvest rocks.

even if we ignore this ridiculous UP BY YOUR BOOTSTRAPS nonsense and the suggestion that English speakers somehow came to dominate the United States through perseverance and intrinsic superiority rather than through the dumb-luck geographical boons of materials, disease immunity and technology, this is fucking disgusting.  you dismiss any pretense of levelheadedness or egalitarian reasoning in order to make some crack about HUTS and HARVESTING ROCKS (what?).  you're a racist, i'm sure you know in some part that you're a racist, and though you are certainly not the only worthless fucking prick to spout racist shit in this topic you are still a worthless fucking prick worthy of beratement.


tl;dr LoL
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Boulvae on July 15, 2008, 02:22:28 am
Actually the United States was formed by primarily British english speakers whom didn't like the french, and didn't like the Brits way of doing things. They spread their territory by litterally conquering and annexing everyone else, so yes they did infact gain dominance and continued to do so for quite some time within the United States through perseverance and intrinsic superiority rather than through the dumb-luck geographical boons of materials, disease immunity and technology which their technology was actually less advanced then the British Empire at the time. The reason they held their ground was because of the local militia and emphasis on the citizens protecting their righte of freedom, heack they even tarred and feathered people whom weren't booted out that supported the British Empire.

But they managed to like be able to conquer the natives and kill them off with their desease ridden clothes that they had resistance too (which they gave themn through trade, hah) because the natives cured the illnesses thay themselves could not.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: idiot kid on July 15, 2008, 02:57:45 am
Actually the United States was formed by primarily British english speakers whom didn't like the french, and didn't like the Brits way of doing things. They spread their territory by litterally conquering and annexing everyone else, so yes they did infact gain dominance and continued to do so for quite some time within the United States through perseverance and intrinsic superiority rather than through the dumb-luck geographical boons of materials, disease immunity and technology which their technology was actually less advanced then the British Empire at the time. The reason they held their ground was because of the local militia and emphasis on the citizens protecting their righte of freedom, heack they even tarred and feathered people whom weren't booted out that supported the British Empire.

But they managed to like be able to conquer the natives and kill them off with their desease ridden clothes that they had resistance too (which they gave themn through trade, hah) because the natives cured the illnesses thay themselves could not.

i'm not sure i understand this post.  you're saying that the British emigrants of the early United States managed to overcome French and Spanish occupants of the land now known as the United States.  this is certainly true (well honestly my knowledge of U.S. history is very hazy but i believe this is true), but my point was basically that English speakers never dominated anybody because THEY WERE BETTER but because of more circumstantial reasons.  also Bled was talking about the conquest of native Americans by Europeans and this is what i was responding to.  the last sentence of your post is worded in a way that i can't follow though and it seems to have more relevance to that point of interest.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Boulvae on July 15, 2008, 03:04:59 am
Basically it was saying that the Native's poorly judged kindness towards the foreign explorers which would later invade, and the diseases from coming into contact mostly from the clothing (most direct contact to the bacteriums and viruses) pretty much lead to them conquering the natives no sweat. If they killed off the explorers or didn't help them with stuff like scurvy history would be very, very different.

Also Mexican occupants, don't forget them.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: idiot kid on July 15, 2008, 03:11:53 am
Basically it was saying that the Native's poorly judged kindness towards the foreign explorers which would later invade, and the diseases from coming into contact mostly from the clothing (most direct contact to the bacteriums and viruses) pretty much lead to them conquering the natives no sweat. If they killed off the explorers or didn't help them with stuff like scurvy history would be very, very different.

Also Mexican occupants, don't forget them.

yeah okay this is basically what i was getting at anyway, that small groups of Europeans killed overwhelming numbers of native Americans through smallpox/other diseases and HAVING GUNS/HORSES, none of which have anything to do with the people involved but just their geographical locations
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ase on July 15, 2008, 03:30:21 am
Stuff White People Like #139: Racism

jesus christ, bled. I've always been an advocate of warning people for outright hateful/ignorant/thoughtless posts as opposed to the standardized rules of warning for PROFANITY and SPAM, but for som

edit oh shit i just realized mod rules were edited not too long ago to reflect all of that KK4 racist bullshit, but because you're not saying "DIE NIGGER" I can't warn you. oh well, i'm sure someone else will
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 15, 2008, 03:32:23 am
i don't really think he should be warned
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ase on July 15, 2008, 03:50:22 am
fuck it.

so with your attitude on language and foreign telephone operators , every foreign language professor should hate his students because they're butchering "his" language while he's trying to carry out his job duties. Can't say "computer" in the exact same accent and pronunciation as me? GET OUT OF MY CLASS FUCKER

only pieces of shit try and create a definition of an "American." Fuck any previous notion of an "American" being a product of a melting pot of european and african and asian immigration. Nah, if you still speak some language other than english in your home you're a fuckin FAKE (go back to where you came from) but if you're a irish, french,  and native-american mix and have family that's been here for more than 2 generations YOU'RE OK !!! *hi5*

i don't really think he should be warned
does it really matter? we talk about warns as if they're some sort of PUNISHMENT, but the point is to let someone know that they're saying/doing something inappropriate or offensive, which I guess we are doing through our replies and rebuttals anyway. warned or not, he's in no danger of being banned and he's being notified by multiple members that he's saying ridiculous shit!

this is mod forum talk anyway, so


edit 17: ok. so apparently you are just KIDDING AROUND, which I'm going to admit you did a damn good job of, considering you FOOLED ME. I have no recollection of your previous political views or posts on GW so I don't really know what to personally think, but for now I'll leave you alone until I know better.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: idiot kid on July 15, 2008, 04:21:06 am
edit 17: ok. so apparently you are just KIDDING AROUND, which I'm going to admit you did a damn good job of, considering you FOOLED ME. I have no recollection of your previous political views or posts on GW so I don't really know what to personally think, but for now I'll leave you alone until I know better.

wait what

you're telling me i typed up more words than i have posted on GW in the past year today in response to a joke post
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Marmot on July 15, 2008, 04:21:52 am
i am a mexican immigrant.  :sad:
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 15, 2008, 04:34:26 am
mamort where do you liv e
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: baseball19225 on July 15, 2008, 04:34:56 am
guess what bitches: your all Owned
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 15, 2008, 05:35:55 am
bullshit why would you just randomly joke around about being a horrible racist, it's not like it's funny or anything! I guess that would be trolling in the true sense of the word, not baiting to be funny or make a point, but just to get people VALIDLY pissed off. either way it was pretty dumb, but I guess pretending to be an ignorant racist is a lot better than actually being one! so w/e you want
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 15, 2008, 05:41:12 am
wait do you really not get it?  the joke is HAHAH MAN PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY LIKE THIS.  it's not trolling, it's humor based around the fact that racists are incredibly fucking ridiculous most of the time.  i think it's a very integral part of dealing with racism to laugh at people like that.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 15, 2008, 06:06:05 am
ya i didnt mean in this context since it's just kind of pointless and misleading, but i think render seems to not understand the point of FAUX RACISM in general which i definitely disagree with.

although you know it wasn't really that bad of a thing to do i don't think!!!  we do this shit all the time and i would say a good half of the posts i make are PRETENDING TO BE TERRIBLE and i'm far from the only one, and it's done with everything including race, so really the only mistake he made was doing it with something he was actually sincere about (LEARN AMERICAN) and i guess saying it in a serious way instead of adding apostrophes and ellipses everywhere, and assuming we'd know he was joking.  if i had made that post no one would've taken me seriously at all.  i do think it's a totally valid form of humor though.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 15, 2008, 06:26:23 am
yeah exactly.

man headphonics I know, like half of BAKER was to make fun of misogynists and mock a couple bad members spouting masculinist/misogynist shit.

that's what I was talking about being funny, it's not like the responses were like HAHAHA OH WOW HOW CAN YOU BE THIS DUMB, everyone was just getting sincerely pissed off! looking back it does seem like he could have been mocking some people who posted shit in this topic, but for the most part it looks like your average racist imbecile's post. I can't understand why you'd post something like that unless you intended for people to get pissed off.

edit: !!
edit: I forgive you bled
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bled on July 15, 2008, 07:10:41 am
Man, I'm glad you guys figured it out on your own and I didn't have to reply to every individual sentence in idiot kid's seven-foot wall of text.

Basically, it was just a poorly executed joke.  I thought it was pretty obvious as within the first two sentences I essentially said "I'M NOT A RACIST, BUT HEY!  I'M A RACIST!"  Everyone caught that, but everyone somehow thought I was serious.  Either way, sorry for derailing the topic and for being gone for three years so that no one understands me anymore.   :sad:​  :sad:​  :sad:

To truly respond to the topic, I'm not a racist even though sometimes I sound a lot like one. 
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 15, 2008, 07:18:41 am
its hard to recognize it as a joke when there's 4 pages of people being like "whelp im not a racist but <horrible racist shit>" just like you only they are being totally serious about it
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Marmot on July 15, 2008, 08:02:06 am
headphonics you havent answered my question

youre black how do you feel about this thread

also i live in michigan
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 15, 2008, 08:32:52 am
oh thats p cool did your whole family move or are you far away in a strange land by yourself


also i feel like everyone else who isnt making awful posts feels probably: a little disgusted and disappointed but not especially surprised.  i dont feel like being black makes me more sensitive to this shit.  if anything i feel like people like render who i assume are white are more sensitive than i am.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: PTizzle on July 15, 2008, 10:45:03 am
I really don't like racism as I'm pretty disgusted by the anti-aboriginal/maori/african sentiments that are fairly common around here. I guess I could understand it more if you constantly got beaten up or robbed by a group of a certain ethnicity but to be honest nearly all the crime in Australia is committed by seedy, sad little white kids so that doesn't really work here.

I think pretty much everyone gets annoyed by certain things that can be considered 'racist' - I don't like calling customer service for an Australian/American/English company and getting someone who can't understand me if I don't talk really slow. On the other hand I understand that outsourcing calls like this allows for speedier customer service as they can afford to hire more operators. It's the same with taxi drivers. I've seen maybe two or three white taxi drivers in the hundreds I've caught over the years but really a lot of them are rude and I'm not prepared to say it's a RACIAL THING because I've had people try to stinge me out of money by adding dollars to the till because they think I'm too drunk to notice or generally being really rude to me for no reason, because in all honesty it isn't limited to race because douchebags exist in all races (and I've heard lots of stories of wanker white taxi drivers from my mates in QLD).

But yeah, I have a lot of friends from different races and I'm actually glad Australia is so multi-cultural because it allows me to not be so sheltered like a lot of people seem. Every race has cool people and wankers from my experience.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: idiot kid on July 15, 2008, 10:47:01 am
Man, I'm glad you guys figured it out on your own and I didn't have to reply to every individual sentence in idiot kid's seven-foot wall of text.

Basically, it was just a poorly executed joke.  I thought it was pretty obvious as within the first two sentences I essentially said "I'M NOT A RACIST, BUT HEY!  I'M A RACIST!"  Everyone caught that, but everyone somehow thought I was serious.  Either way, sorry for derailing the topic and for being gone for three years so that no one understands me anymore.   :sad:​  :sad:​  :sad:

To truly respond to the topic, I'm not a racist even though sometimes I sound a lot like one. 

fuck me

sorry dogg i am dumb as hell
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bled on July 15, 2008, 06:41:00 pm
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fuck me

sorry dogg i am dumb as hell

No worries.  Like I said, it was my fault for not making it a bit more clear than most of the post was insincere.  Your response sounds eerily like something I would have said a few years back, so overall I feel that we have somehow managed to bond through adversity.  We are stronger people now, man..........
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: TrickLobster on July 15, 2008, 06:51:33 pm
ps you guys waiters are like some of the most consistent people in terms of JUDGING BASED ON RACE so if you are a darkie or an indian or something tip like 25% so they will maybe reconsider their preconceptions.  seriously like, there's a ridiculous ratio of white tables who tip 5% vs black tables who tip 5%; i really wish people wouldn't reinforce stereotypes by doing shit like RUNNING YOU AROUND, THEN BEING CHEAP.

I am a waiter and i really dont consider myself to be racist and i dont mind waiting on tables but I dont judge my tables based on race, i judge them based on how they look. for example, if its a bunch of kids, you are pretty much rolling the dice, in their 40s white/black/brown with a girl who is clearly not their wife, the tip is alot greater. unfortunately with my experience (including yesterday) black "ghetto" people usually don't tip too well, white rednecks dont tip for shit. so i pretty much sterotype the stereotypes of each race and dislike them all equally. rednecks, ignorant. large black ladies, ignorant. brown guys clearly from mexico, not enough money to tip. asian people who do not speak english, ????. but yea, i dont consider myself to be racist because i dislike groups of people not actually any races as a whole or else i'd pretty much hate everyone!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: maladroithim on July 15, 2008, 06:54:17 pm
I was once mugged and beat with a baseball bat by a gang of black thugs and I can't help but freak out whenever I walk past a group of black teenagers.  I'm not sure if that's PTSD or racism though :(
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: big ass skelly on July 15, 2008, 07:04:34 pm
headphonics how black are you? could you perhaps numerate your blackness (blackosity? blackitude?) or provide some sort of colour-scale

A hex value (web-safe preferably) would also be acceptable
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Farren on July 15, 2008, 07:57:05 pm
1-5

One being caramel and 5 being dark chocolate
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 15, 2008, 08:20:20 pm
why would one be caramel?  caramel's not as light as it goes!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: big ass skelly on July 15, 2008, 09:00:44 pm
Nice question dodge
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Farren on July 15, 2008, 09:13:30 pm
its fucking caramel shut up you
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 15, 2008, 09:25:43 pm
he's black as midnight watch
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 15, 2008, 09:30:51 pm
it's around caramel/coffee i would say but i mean that should actually be like a THREE not a one; you can go much lighter than caramel!  i'm only half black and my mom is white as fuck but my dad is DARK DARK AFRIKAAN so it balances out and i end up looking like:

(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2007/sioncampus/11/26/deans.list/p1_lilromeo.jpg)

jealous??
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 15, 2008, 09:32:38 pm
post a real picture dogg
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 15, 2008, 09:36:49 pm
sorry i'm not PULLING A DRULE and taking a picture of myself with a cameraphone because i'm not gay but if you really care i guess you can find one of the several i've posted before in old picture threads??
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 15, 2008, 09:48:07 pm
man ive never seen one and in fact ive thought to myself numerous times "i wonder if he has posted a pic of himself ever"
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ase on July 15, 2008, 10:05:46 pm
i had no fuckin clue you were black until render or someone said something and i just thought he was jokin about headphonics bein a black thug but APPARENTLY NOT

post a picture dawwg. ive looked through old picture topics lots of times and never seen it so its GONE
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 15, 2008, 10:19:44 pm
oh okay.  i probably hosted them on my old webspace or something so i guess that makes sense.  i'll post one sometime i guess.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Alec on July 16, 2008, 01:38:26 am
I don't understand most people saying BLACK thugs. besides all the other points otherwise, maybe it's just where I live (north texas), but when I'm walking around, I usually just avoid anybody who looks homeless/drunk (torn clothes, dirty, etc), and those guys are normally white as hell. I also avoid anybody who seems like they're talking to themselves or other crazy shit.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ase on July 16, 2008, 01:43:31 am
yeah me too. i dont understand how people say they avoid black thugs on the street. usually when black thugs are around, it's late in the evening and too dark to see them heh
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Vellfire on July 16, 2008, 01:51:12 am
Yeah man usually if someone is a THUG I don't think to myself "huh, well...but...this thug is white...so...I guess I shouldn't avoid him?????"


i avoid all thugs equally
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Arcan on July 16, 2008, 01:59:42 am
After reading this thread I learned that I am racist. I don't try to do or say anything offensive to black people but I tend to stereotype them if I don't know them. Because of some bad experiences with them during my childhood I usually try to stay away.

I JUST HATE PEOPLE THAT THINK THEY ARE GANGSTER
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 16, 2008, 03:31:04 am
it wasn't me, I don't know what he looks like either.

if I'm more sensitive it's cuz theres all these racist white guys in here and it makes me feel a little embarrassed.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bled on July 16, 2008, 04:55:37 am
Guys, I think I found something we can all safely hate.

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.24hourmuseum.org.uk/content/images/2003_1649.jpeg)

I suppose it's not really racist, but one thing I really hate is women who have better facial hair than me.  I'm pretty proud of my goatee and to have it outdone by someone who DOESN'T HAVE A PENIS is very unsettling.

She also appears to be Indian so I guess that's a double word score for me!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Vellfire on July 16, 2008, 10:36:07 am
Those look like pubes.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on July 16, 2008, 11:04:13 am
man you guys are dicks

HEY HEADPHONICS, HOW BLACK ARE YOU? POST YOUR PICTURE IN THE RACISM TOPIC
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: big ass skelly on July 16, 2008, 11:11:32 am
Yes climbtree. I was being one hundred percent serious when I was asking for a hex value of his skin colour.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 16, 2008, 11:18:01 am
Those look like pubes.
hahaha what


man let this be like that one time when i was in 8th grade and i made a joke about wiping your ass standing up and this guy was like "wait whats wrong with that??? oops i mean yeah what a fag guys i'm just playin i dont do that for real though lol"
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Kaworu on July 16, 2008, 05:43:04 pm
Why do people say "black thugs"? I thought it was given that when talking about thugs you automatically mean black people anyway.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 07:46:26 pm
ive decided that i dont care about being racist. there's a smith's (grocery store) next to my house. I go to it all the time, and there was always a normal distribution of race: white, black, asian, and mexican (less asians than the others but you never saw like JUST ONE RACE at all). Recently, there have been more and more black folk. Every time i go there, there are more black people and less of other races. Last night, there was NOT A SINGLE PERSON THAT WASN'T BLACK except me and my brother. I dont care, its not like im afraid of them or feel uncomfortable or anything. But you know what, the store is SHIT now. I am not even joking, in the bakery section, there were BITES TAKEN OUT OF THE DONUTS. The boxes of cereal were open. There was all kinds of shit open, ripped open, on the floor, it was disgusting. Chalk this up to new bad management if you want, but I'm saying it's all the black people with their complete disregard for anyone else (most black people are like this, HAVE YOU EVER DEALT WITH BLACK PEOPLE IN A FAST FOOD DRIVE-THRU???) and weird entitlement issues (it's like they just get off on making everyone else miserable just so they can get what they want BECAUSE ITS MY TURN *NECK-BOB* WAIT YO TURN).

This is horribly racist. I feel like a piece of shit for saying it. But it's true! If they were white people doing this, I would be making this post about white people. The fact of the matter is that EVERYONE fucking knows how difficult black people seem to be. Now, I live in las vegas and while my area is actually pretty decent, theres still a lot of poor black people living around. Maybe it's just my area! I dont hate all black people at all, and in fact I don't "assume" black people I don't know are like this. I assume all people are decent until I see them exhibit behavior otherwise.

This is really gay but honestly I'm not racist! I don't even see race, for the most part. The only time race really enters the picture is when i see someone doing something despicable and I see what race they are to conjure up an appropriate slur against them, no matter what race they are. Maybe that is racist, but so the fuck what? headphonics im sure you are a decent person and I would never call you anything derogatory based on your race. I don' t have a problem with any people of any race, until they cause problems. But that will piss anybody off and if you are going to insult someone (especially behind their back), why not use a nice racial slur? OH NO IM A BAD PERSON??

EDIT: you know it's just like... I don't understand why, and I wish it weren't so because I dont like saying things like "fuck i hate black people" but why do they always do this shit?? it's ridiculous! its like, there's no way to say it without everone going "you fucking racist bigot asshole" and they are basically right, but WHY THE FUCK DOES EVERYONE KEEP GIONG "OH YEAH BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE WORST!!" the reason is that ITS FUCKING TRUE. its not like the whole country just magically hates black people and we only see black people doing annoying things and only remember the bad black people; the majority of black people are like this. there's bad people of every race, but the ratio of annoying blacks is staggeringly high WHY IS THIS?? Is it because im a horrible racist? no. My mom dated a black guy for like 6 years. He had a son who was my brother for that time and I treated him like such. I am so not racist its not funny. He was an upstanding man and I know plenty of people from every race who could use a lesson from that guy. But still, black people have a way of being extraordinarily annoying for apparently no reason!

EDIT 2: Please somebody say something that proves me wrong please. Give me a plausible reason for this shit!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Boulvae on July 16, 2008, 08:49:44 pm
For one thing you said that you live in an area with a lot of poor black people, so maybe because THEY ARE POOR that they do stuff like steal food to I don't know, survive. The fact that your actively conscious of black people doing bad things or just plain old noticing the annoying things they do more so then any other race is racism. Un-avoidable racism none the less.

They are probably also poor because whites in power still treat black people like crap, and give them crap for education. So the fault is still the whites.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: jamie on July 16, 2008, 08:57:10 pm
okay gr your post seems serious considering the amount of argh help i'm a bad person in it so i guess i will try to reply

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ive decided that i dont care about being racist. there's a smith's (grocery store) next to my house. I go to it all the time, and there was always a normal distribution of race: white, black, asian, and mexican (less asians than the others but you never saw like JUST ONE RACE at all). Recently, there have been more and more black folk. Every time i go there, there are more black people and less of other races. Last night, there was NOT A SINGLE PERSON THAT WASN'T BLACK except me and my brother. I dont care, its not like im afraid of them or feel uncomfortable or anything. But you know what, the store is SHIT now. I am not even joking, in the bakery section, there were BITES TAKEN OUT OF THE DONUTS. The boxes of cereal were open. There was all kinds of shit open, ripped open, on the floor, it was disgusting. Chalk this up to new bad management if you want, but I'm saying it's all the black people with their complete disregard for anyone else (most black people are like this, HAVE YOU EVER DEALT WITH BLACK PEOPLE IN A FAST FOOD DRIVE-THRU???) and weird entitlement issues (it's like they just get off on making everyone else miserable just so they can get what they want BECAUSE ITS MY TURN *NECK-BOB* WAIT YO TURN)

well there are a few possibilities here. you mentioned one, new management. maybe the new management is shitty and doesn't check the store for this kind of thing, or maybe your area is kind of going to shit and bad kinds of people are coming in, maybe they have no money and need a bite to eat, maybe you are amping the whole thing up a little, maybe some rowdy kids have grown up and decide they don't want to respect their local smiths.

has there been a new set of tainted goods every time you've gone into the store, or was it just last night? have you seen every black person in the store act up and eat stuff off the shelves, or just one?

i think it is likely that *neck-bob* any of this stuff is more relevant than the people being black - i'm not saying there aren't a lot of poor black people, and i'm not saying that poor people aren't more likely to act in the way you described, what i'm saying is instead of chalking it up to it's cos they are black consider either how black people have generally been shat on throughout america's history and it's only started getting better very recently, or other possible reasons for this apparent change in the store that might even have nothing to do with black people. two things don't have to be related because they happened at the same time, but leaps in logic like that are how racism and prejudice work.

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This is horribly racist. I feel like a piece of shit for saying it. But it's true! If they were white people doing this, I would be making this post about white people. The fact of the matter is that EVERYONE fucking knows how difficult black people seem to be. Now, I live in las vegas and while my area is actually pretty decent, theres still a lot of poor black people living around. Maybe it's just my area! I dont hate all black people at all, and in fact I don't "assume" black people I don't know are like this. I assume all people are decent until I see them exhibit behavior otherwise.

why bring up the white comparison and who cares if "everyone" knows how awful black people are? these are just empty things racists say so they don't have to think for another second.

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This is really gay but honestly I'm not racist! I don't even see race, for the most part. The only time race really enters the picture is when i see someone doing something despicable and I see what race they are to conjure up an appropriate slur against them, no matter what race they are. Maybe that is racist, but so the fuck what? headphonics im sure you are a decent person and I would never call you anything derogatory based on your race. I don' t have a problem with any people of any race, until they cause problems. But that will piss anybody off and if you are going to insult someone (especially behind their back), why not use a nice racial slur? OH NO IM A BAD PERSON??

well, to start with - yeah you are racist, i believe that almost everyone is at least a little racist. you seem to show a much higher level of prejudice than i think is possible to maintain human decency under, though.

also this shit about using racial slurs just cos - fuck off with that, that stuff is something that you should really look at. racial slurs are not you attacking the PERSON for something they done, you are attacking the thing for something they are. even if you truly believe it's not your intention to turn a black person into something other than your fellow human being by using the word nigger to describe them - for example - it's what you are doing. it's not like your run of the mill insult because it exclusively exploits something they can't help and had no say in against them, and asserts that being black is a bad thing or something you find offensive.

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EDIT: you know it's just like... I don't understand why, and I wish it weren't so because I dont like saying things like "fuck i hate black people" but why do they always do this shit?? it's ridiculous! its like, there's no way to say it without everone going "you fucking racist bigot asshole" and they are basically right, but WHY THE FUCK DOES EVERYONE KEEP GIONG "OH YEAH BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE WORST!!" the reason is that ITS FUCKING TRUE. its not like the whole country just magically hates black people and we only see black people doing annoying things and only remember the bad black people; the majority of black people are like this. there's bad people of every race, but the ratio of annoying blacks is staggeringly high WHY IS THIS?? Is it because im a horrible racist? no. My mom dated a black guy for like 6 years. He had a son who was my brother for that time and I treated him like such. I am so not racist its not funny. He was an upstanding man and I know plenty of people from every race who could use a lesson from that guy. But still, black people have a way of being extraordinarily annoying for apparently no reason!

wow you're not racist you've got a black friend - jeez louise goldenratio, i didn't know you were this kind of guy. this is probably the worst part of the post. it's amazing how instead of addressing your obviously awful kind of logic, you just say oh it's just that black people are so bad i can't deny it! i want to but you black people aren't letting me!

how good or bad any black person ever is, how awful or great your perception of any black person ever is, never gives you the grounds to generalise that to all black people. that's the starting point for every kind of racism, discrimination and prejudice there is. it's not that you have a few facts wrong, it's that your entire logic is geared towards being a racist so you're gonna end up being one. everyone has a little of this in them, and with the amount of discussion and fretting that goes on today about racism means we're all going to be aware of it and made aware of it.

what you've tried to do in this post, i think, is articulate your racism, but then instead of trying to understand why it can only be a destructive, you've tried to justify it to yourself. you went off in the wrong direction, so come back and stop being a big asshole.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 09:30:13 pm
whoa dude wait a fucking second. everything you said is cool except the part where you said its impossible for me to be a decent human being. that is a little fucking harsh dude I am not a bad person! I am never mean to anybody, i never say things to people that make them feel bad, i do everything fucking right and am always courteous so don't you fucking dare say that i am not a decent human being because sometimes i go "ugh i hate black people". like you said everyone is a little racist and if once or twice a month i say "what the hell black people" to myself that does not make me a racist, horrible human being who discriminates and is prejudiced etc etc.

i totally understand where you are coming from but you basically hyperbole'd what i said and then hyperbole'd a response. this happens a lot here at GW and especially in this topic, so i dont really think that's fair!

but i really do get the part about slurs. that is pretty bad thing and i would never ever say a slur to someone's face (despite other races' staggering readiness to call me a cracker or whiteboy to my face very loudly), but yes its pretty uncalled for to use such a hateful word to be mean to a single person. i will definitely stop doing that.

i guess the hard thing is that i really dont feel like i pay more attention to the stupid black people more than the stupid people of other races, but i guess its possible. i honestly dont see that but i guess if everyone else is like YOU ARE i just have to accept that i am??

So anyways, quick question: i dont like black girls. I could never really see myself sleeping or being sexual with a black women, unless she was like half-black and very very light with very non-african features (ive only ever been attracted to one black girl and she was indeed half white and acted pretty much like a white person). is that racist? i dont find them attractive, and im not saying i am 100% against EVER considering a black girl, but generally speaking i dont find black women attractive and would not want to sleep with one. is that racist? i dont like asian women either. i dont find them attractive at all and would never sleep with one. i dont understand how this is racist because its just a preference, yet i feel like if i said "oh no i dont like black women" someone will scoff and mutter "racist". what do i do about this???

edit: btw the tampered food was not the "im starving and need to eat to survive" type, it was the "i am a spoiled brat/horrible person" type. The donuts had ONE BITE taken out of them (these were like, bakery donuts, 12 in a box (variety)), and a single donut in each box (like 2 or 3 boxes) had one bite taken out of it. There was also cookies in that same case and the frosting on them had been pushed with someone's finger (there was like an icing-frog or something and someone had smashed the frogs head on them). obviously its not like black people just go around taking bites of things and opening cereal boxes but it was more of "oh man there are only black people here ew what a mess this place is it.....must be all the blacks" which is a racist thing to do! that's a racist conclusion to come to! IM FUCKING RACIST

but like i said in that post I dont care anymore. if expressing my hate for stupidity one race at a time means im a racist then so-fucking-be it, what difference does it fucking make? its not like im a retarded "well they call each other nigger why can't i???" racist, im just a normal, run-of-the-mill average racist in tolerable levels that actually doesn't affect anything i do! i never treat anyone differently because of race!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 16, 2008, 09:38:01 pm
uh gr thats

that's probably the first time I've seen such a simple... uh I guess you'd call it ignorant racism?

like you seem to have some idea that maybe it's not because they're black but you can't seem to piece it together beyond that. it's not even being POOR. come on dude, what makes people behave PROPERLY? why do you behave differently.

I'm just kinda baffled here, I'm hoping that was a joke post. if not man I think there's something more wrong here than just racism!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 09:43:19 pm
wait what? can't piece together what? its not that im convinced black people are HORRIBLE or anything. i know that the conclusions i came to were racist and FALSE. people were being uncivilived idiots in the smith's yesterday, and i dont know what race they were and for all i know it was a group of kids consisting of every race! in fact, im willing to bet 100 dollars that it was a group on unsupervised kids doing that shit.

im not an idiot dude why would you say that?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Vellfire on July 16, 2008, 09:54:13 pm
hahaha what


man let this be like that one time when i was in 8th grade and i made a joke about wiping your ass standing up and this guy was like "wait whats wrong with that??? oops i mean yeah what a fag guys i'm just playin i dont do that for real though lol"

what i'm just saying that WOMAN'S MOUSTACHE looks like pubes carefully attached to her face in the shape of a moustache
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 09:55:11 pm
i would think that wiping your ass while standing up would be way harder...
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on July 16, 2008, 10:05:09 pm
*eats a bad piece of chicken*

*swears off all poultry*

seriously you're a fucking child.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on July 16, 2008, 10:06:49 pm
once i met a japanese person but they weren't goku FUCK japanese.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: jamie on July 16, 2008, 10:08:15 pm
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whoa dude wait a fucking second. everything you said is cool except the part where you said its impossible for me to be a decent human being.

i didn't mean to say you can't do anything good, can't ever act decent. i think it was pretty clear from the way i worded the sentence that i was only talking about how you are going to act in terms of race. from the things you said, i don't think it's unreasonable to assume that you could very easily make indecent decisions and treat black people in at the very least dismissive way. so if you thought i was saying you are disgusting you'll never do anything good then that isn't what i meant to say. i think your attitude towards race is gross and dumb, but i actually tried to hold back on the hyberbole and insults.

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but like i said in that post I dont care anymore. if expressing my hate for stupidity one race at a time means im a racist then so-fucking-be it, what difference does it fucking make? its not like im a retarded "well they call each other nigger why can't i???" racist, im just a normal, run-of-the-mill average racist in tolerable levels that actually doesn't affect anything i do! i never treat anyone differently because of race!

the difference between any racism i feel and the racism you are talking about is that you are totally okay with it, even though it is not asking a lot to try and not be racist - it basically just means be fair to people. if i ever catch myself making assumptions like you do, i go "whoah - damnit!" and i catch the prejudice before it snowballs into something which could hurt other people, or even hurt someone out of ignorance. another reason i do it is because i don't think it's okay to realise you have problems and not even try to do something about them, and i think people who do ignore their problems - especially when they do or could hurt other people - are assholes.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 10:14:08 pm
*eats a bad piece of chicken*

*swears off all poultry*

seriously you're a fucking child.
yeah this makes sense at all and i said stuff like it at least one time! in fact i deliberately mentioned the fact that i do NOT assume anybody i dont know of a particular race is like that, only the people that i see acting like that. if i see somebody acting like an idiot then i will think they are an idiot, no matter what race they are and no matter how decent every other member of that race might or might not be.

i didn't mean to say you can't do anything good, can't ever act decent. i think it was pretty clear from the way i worded the sentence that i was only talking about how you are going to act in terms of race. from the things you said, i don't think it's unreasonable to assume that you could very easily make indecent decisions and treat black people in at the very least dismissive way. so if you thought i was saying you are disgusting you'll never do anything good then that isn't what i meant to say. i think your attitude towards race is gross and dumb, but i actually tried to hold back on the hyberbole and insults.

it just seemed a little harsh but what im having a hard time understanding is that i said nothing even remotely specific about any race and yet my attitude towards race (of which you know only what i posted in that one post) is gross? ok...
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 10:18:17 pm
you guys are so fucking sensitive

so dramatic

its strange because i can say "man sometimes black people are annoying" and there will be a slew of "racist bigot XENOPHOBE YOU ARE GROSS AND DESERVE TO BE SLAUGHTERED UNMERCIFULLY" but thats ok because i said something marginally racist.

yeah ok what i said was NOT "marginally" racist, it was totally racist I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT I KNOW THAT FUCK FUCK FUCK its like the minority on gw can never hyperbole. ever. everyone ganging up on someone can just blow shit out of proportion and make ridiculous assumptions but the minority cannot. my original post and actually all the posts were way way overdramatized and and i never actually feel that deeply/strongly about anything. i mean the post makes it seem like i was stewing for hours about the BLACK POPULATION MESSIN WIT MY SMITHS! but not only did i not do that, i never even said anything to my brother and if i was gonna say something racist you bet your ass i'd say it to him. it was a cursory thought i expanded upon here and yeah obviously im racist but jesus dont call me GROSS and DESPICABLE you are way overdramatic dude!

THIS CHICKEN.....NEVER AGAIN.......
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: jamie on July 16, 2008, 10:20:45 pm
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it just seemed a little harsh but what im having a hard time understanding is that i said nothing even remotely specific about any race and yet my attitude towards race (of which you know only what i posted in that one post) is gross? ok...

uhh you got real specific about how black people annoy you, and then said i don't care if i'm a racist and i know that i am.

also, the kind of thinking that allows you to say those things and mean them is the same kind of thinking that all prejudice is based on, and i said that already. just because you don't get "annoyed" asians or arabs doesn't mean you wouldn't if they suddenly started coming in and taking bites out of donuts. it's all the same crap, like steel said here:

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*eats a bad piece of chicken*

*swears off all poultry*

don't you see how it's all the same?

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you guys are so fucking sensitive

so dramatic

its strange because i can say "man sometimes black people are annoying" and there will be a slew of "racist bigot XENOPHOBE YOU ARE GROSS AND DESERVE TO BE SLAUGHTERED UNMERCIFULLY" but thats ok because i said something marginally racist.

this is irrelevant and more hyperbolic than anything i said in my first post when you said i was being hyperbolic so let's low tone it



Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 16, 2008, 10:22:27 pm
jesus christ goldenratio.  you keep saying you're not a racist but sorry a lot of what you said makes you one!  you also seem not to mind it so much because you don't think it affects anything you say or do and that is just a tremendously dumb way to perceive things.  okay guys i think blacks are trouble makers based solely on race but don't worry.... it doesn't affect my judgment or the way i look at them at all.  and all whites around me secretly carrying this very same belief has absolutely no effect on the general societal perception of blacks, either!!  are you that fucking naive, man?  this is just something you're trying to tell us so that you're racism seems benign, but here is a hint: no racism is benign sorry bud!!!  that isn't something an entire nation of whites can just KEEP ON THE DL out of guilt, and views like that are what i think are responsible for the racial schism that doesn't seem to be narrowing because white people apparently can't let go of the fact that they think blacks tend to do certain bad things because they're black.  instead of getting angry at us for saying YEAH YOU'RE A RACIST THAT SHIT IS AWFUL maybe you should look at yourself and recognize that even though it is probably easier to stay a racist it's a pretty awful thing to do to realize it, and then not try to do anything about it because you don't think it's harming anyone.  at least most racists have the excuse that they don't realize they're dumb as shit; you don't have any excuse to be this way once you realize you are.

and yeah that racial slur shit is pretty awful.  like jamicus said i don't really even understand how you can go BUT WAIT IM NOT RACIST!!!! and then call them a slur behind their back like some kind of fucking coward like what is wrong with his behavior is due to BEING BLACK and not just being a douche.  good hes gone...................the nigger.  i don't know why you are ADDRESSING ME with this shit as if not calling me a racial slur proves that you are in fact not racist and brings some amount of absolution with it or something (heh i'd at least wait till you were out of the room).  and you shouldn't hide behind the fact that you KNEW A BLACK DUDE once and treated him like an equal (wh-what a saint......) because that is just some flimsy excuse racists throw out there to try to dissuade people from thinking they are what they are.  you also shouldn't use the fact that OTHERS AGREE WITH ME!!! to bolster your argument because those other people are just more dumb racist people with preconceptions they're looking to have proved right.

if i had to take a guess i would say that stores in economically depressed neighborhoods tend to be like that, regardless of race, and likewise the roughly 3% of any nice neighborhood that will be black probably won't go TEAR UP A WHOLE FOODS because of their race.  i think different areas/levels of economic class sort of develop their own subcultures/sets of values, and this type of behavior is just kind of viewed as normal and accepted within the confines of those areas.  so yeah i would say they are probably doing this based on cultural difference that different economic classes bring and not because they are black.  a disproportionate amount of black people are poor and that just helps people like you think things like this even easier, but that's for an entirely different reason.  you see it as being because they're black because that's what you want to see.  that's what fulfills your preexisting conceptions of HOW BLACKS ARE.

i would also say your inability to be sexually attracted to anything but a very light black woman is also racist, but i don't really attribute that to you.  there's this mode of thinking that basically includes MOST PEOPLE IN AMERICA that lighter=better, and i would say most people are programmed into being subconsciously less attracted to darker women than to lighter women.  it really sucks because then you get shit like women with darker skin bleaching it just to try to be viewed in a more positive light, which is pretty tragic, but i don't really BLAME anyone for this even though it's a shitty way to look at beauty because like i said it is kind of INGRAINED in most people on a very unconscious level by the time they're even old enough to consider women attractive.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 10:27:54 pm
yeah but dude i already said i know it wasnt true! i knew it wasnt true even when i thought it in my head last night at smiths. i said this in my last post but i didnt even say anything like that to my brother. i said "ew dude someone took a bite out of this donut!" and he was like "ew" and then we WALKED AWAY. he noticed the opened boxes and we both just shook our heads and the only other thing we said to each other about it was "man what happened to smiths it used to be nice".

the point im trying to make is that you are being excessively cruel and judgmental assuming i am an actual racist in real life when the only real racist things i say/do are a) think to myself "man [race] are annoying" and b) think to myself "fuck you [racial ][/racial]". I understand that this is racist, im sorry its very bad and i will try to correct it because it can leak out subconsciously and i DO NOT ever want to be outwardly racist at all! why do you have to say things like "you are fucking gross gr you disgust me" because i inflated a thought i had yesterday?

but yeah dude i realize what i said/did/thought/whatever was racist, and i do not ever want it to grow and its obvious that what i thought was harmless (because i never said it, only thought it) is not in fact ok at all. thank you for that but please don't say im gross thats way harsh dude i am the nicest guy ever and i am always polite and courteous.

edit: panda stop saying that im going "but guys im not racist!!" because i never said that! in fact i uh, said the opposite that i realize i am racist its just yeah, i thought it was benign but really i see that is NOT BENIGN at all! i am honestly worried about it seeping out because i would never want to be a guy like that, so while i thought it was ok to think those things i can see now that you cannot just keep it inside because it doesnt work like that! yeah im a racist atm apparently and im sorry (?). i mentioned having a black brother (I KNOW A BLACK GUY thats what i said panda, i said knew a black guy once so i cant be racist. i said my mom dated a black guy for years and i had a  black stepbrother) ONE TIME ONE TIME i never "hid behind" it at all! i mentioned it in passing (it was pointless i agree) but i never used it as an excuse for anything (in fact as of right now it has been mentioned more times by other people than by me).

and about the women thing, i said i dont like asians either! they are way whiter than the whitest black person you can find so it has nothing do with LIGHTER=BETTER because i really like mexican girls and most indian girls too (and they can be dark and the dark mexicans/indians do not put me off at all!)

I am just a little perturbed or something because like, things were blown out of proportion on both sides of this and unfortunately it ends up with GR IS A GROSS RACIST DIE GR DIE and its not fair :(
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 16, 2008, 10:30:41 pm
well dawg i don't know what kind of reception you really expect when you tell us that not too deep into your consciousness you are thinking "fuck that nigger" when some black kid takes a bite out of a fucking doughnut, but personally i would've expected about this because that's pretty goddamn despicable.  also, if you don't want people to reply to you like you're doing something worse than you really are, idk maybe don't exaggerate how you feel and act about these things in your confessional posts???
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 10:36:13 pm
yeah you're right thats pretty stupid of me to say.

i dont want to be racist :(

and about the women thing, i said i dont like asians either! they are way whiter than the whitest black person you can find so it has nothing do with LIGHTER=BETTER because i really like mexican girls and most indian girls too (and they can be dark and the dark mexicans/indians do not put me off at all!)

i dont know why but i want to reiterate this point!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: jamie on July 16, 2008, 10:43:19 pm
don't try to victimize yourself over people taking issue with what you said, gr. you said some bad stuff, even if you want to backpedal on it now - which is a better idea than sticking to your guns. i don't think anyone got very melodramatic on this, and even if we did it doesn't make us wrong just because you always mind your manners and don't want people to dislike you.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 10:44:23 pm
ok so you're literally saying there's nothing i can do right now except take the insults people will dish at me and wait for it to blow over? cool.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 16, 2008, 10:46:20 pm
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edit: panda stop saying that im going "but guys im not racist!!" because i never said that!
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This is really gay but honestly I'm not racist!
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I KNOW A BLACK GUY thats what i said panda, i said knew a black guy once so i cant be racist. i said my mom dated a black guy for years and i had a  black stepbrother
are you fucking daft man?  it's the same thing.  why do people say NAH IM NOT RACIST I KNOW A BLACK GUY?  because they think that knowing one and thinking he's okay (for a black.........) somehow makes the way they see all other black people not racist.  why did YOU say it?  it seems like it was for the same reason; that us knowing that you didn't judge your black stepbrother or whatever based on race somehow means you cannot possible be racist towards other blacks.  who cares if your racism doesn't apply to ALL BLACKS, EVERYWHERE?  it's still racism.  you can't just hold up the one guy you DON'T look at differently because of his race and make all the other shit go away.  it doesn't prove anything at all!

i mean we are probably coming off like dickheads and truthfully i do not HATE YOU FOR THIS but i think one of the best ways to fight this kind of thing is to instill in the person a sense of abject shame over how they think, sooo.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 10:52:07 pm
oh definitely but if i say "damn i feel so bad i didnt want to be like this" apparently im vicitimizing myself?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 16, 2008, 10:54:07 pm
welllll i didn't say you were victimizing yourself but i mean you are coming off a little GUYS WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN :( even though i'd think you would expect this, given the previous five pages of the topic.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Arcan on July 16, 2008, 10:54:24 pm
Damn guys why is everybody flaming him? It seems to me that all the hate is coming  from you..
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 10:55:16 pm
seriously people are way too sensitive about racial stuff and i think this sensitivity is what perpetuates racism! if nobody cared about the word nigger it wouldnt mean anything! its easy to say that as a middle-class white kid so i guess that is totally wrong?

im asking serious questions guys dont fucking jump all down my throat now calling me horrible names just tell me how i am wrong so i know no need to make me want to kill myself jesus.

this is the civilized line after this line we act civilized ok???

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welllll i didn't say you were victimizing yourself but i mean you are coming off a little GUYS WHY ARE YOU SO MEAN :( even though i'd think you would expect this, given the previous five pages of the topic.
im coming off like that because its way disproportionate dude i said things that were MILDLY AT BEST racist and yet people jumped all over me saying horrible things. i expected someone to set me straight and say something MEAN but not YOU ARE GROSS GO DIE yeah exaggeration but w/e
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: jamie on July 16, 2008, 10:57:31 pm
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ok so you're literally saying there's nothing i can do right now except take the insults people will dish at me and wait for it to blow over? cool.

no i'm saying you're gonna have to deal with a response if you want to say you have racist thoughts and don't care

i can see how you probably feel assaulted but there are just some things which people feel strongly about and you've got to deal with that if you're going to say stuff on it. no-one has told you to shut up or that you are a horrible human being beyond repair (and if you think i did, i didn't mean to!), all people have really said is your thoughts on this subject are really wrong and yes BAD. they make you less of a good person, whether you like it or not - and especially because you said you're okay with being racist more than once.

if the only thing people had said was "fuck of gr you're an asshole everyone hates you." then you would have a point but there's been a lot more depth to the replies than that.

and also, i don't think you are beyond decency here. i dunno how old you are or whatever, but you just seem really really confused and instead of coddling you i thought it would be better to try and show you the implications and reasoning behind what you were saying using some big boy words.......so deal.with.it.chumpo!

i mean jeez i think you are a lot more likely to think twice about this next time it comes up in real life where this stuff can actually matter than if we had said "aw, that's okay gr, don't feel bad."


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how would you like me to put it gr? the fact that you are exaggerating and making things up - christ nobody said anything close to GO DIE - makes you look really silly. i mean this is gw, it's how people react. does it really make a difference to you if i say "gr i have a problem with that opinion" instead of "gr that opinion is stupid and gross.", cos i follow both up with the same thing. i'm still saying the same thing, and it's not like we're all close so who cares how i put it?

i mean i'd find it a lot easier to be nice if you weren't whining about how people are being mean to you while saying stuff which is equally ignorant:

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seriously people are way too sensitive about racial stuff and i think this sensitivity is what perpetuates racism! if nobody cared about the word nigger it wouldnt mean anything! its easy to say that as a middle-class white kid so i guess that is totally wrong?

wow sorry gr i didn't realise you thought it was everybody else's fault.


Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 16, 2008, 11:04:56 pm
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seriously people are way too sensitive about racial stuff and i think this sensitivity is what perpetuates racism! if nobody cared about the word nigger it wouldnt mean anything! its easy to say that as a middle-class white kid so i guess that is totally wrong?
hfkdfhjd really dude?  are you seriously going to try to put racism on THE VICTIMS OF IT?  you seem to have a fundamental misunderstanding of things here.  first of all, it must be really easy as a suburban white guy to be like HEH ITS JUST A WORD NO BIG DEAL, but that's a pretty insensitive thing to say, because being, you know, a suburban white guy, i don't think you really understand what that word can mean to a lot of people.  second of all, the problem isn't the word NIGGER, it's the ideas that motivate it.  if people stopped caring about racial slurs, maybe they would lose some of their power, but racism would by no means go away.  it'd probably just get worse for the lack of pressure people feel to hide their stupid racist shit.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 11:13:12 pm
jamicus: no you're right i appreciate it i just felt cornered and shit but you are right. the replies were 90% constructive but harsh and 10% TOO MEAN :( so yeah thanks for helping me and i will definitely be aware of racist thoughts now.

yeah i get it panda but i obviously phrased that post wrong! i wasnt intending to imply that that's what i thought, that I WANT TO KNOW HOW THIS CAN POSSIBLY BE WRONG i know it was not right in fact the uh, last few words were "so i guess this is wrong?" which did not really require you to say "ahlsdlfjfljf HOW CAN YOU THINK THIS STATEMENT" because at the end i basically said... this is wrong, right?

i mean i am coming around and you just keep being degrading! whatever im not all MY FEELINGS ARE HURT YOU BIG MEANIES i just dont guy why you guys fly off the hyperbolic handle after EVERY POST. jesus.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Arcan on July 16, 2008, 11:15:11 pm
Hopefully his thread is starting to wind down because I can't tell you how hard it has been to keep my mouth shut about some of the things people said . If you people are trying to convince others that their ideas are flawed, then its probably not a good idea to post things that would really piss them off and expect them to agree with you. I'd also like  to say that the more sensitive people should calm down and stop acting like everyone is against them. Just because you are not white, it doesn't mean that you are the only ones who have had to deal with racism. I am white, many people have been racist to me, and its really annoying to me to see people who are so sensitive towards this subject.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 11:15:53 pm
lets all calm down i appreciate you guys helping me you could have ignored my post and then where would i be?

i get it, i really do i am not a fucking idiot.

but hey if i toss out a racist thought i have i am looking for you tell me how wrong it is so continue sorry for being oversensitive!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 11:16:29 pm
kill al human
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 16, 2008, 11:19:44 pm
oh sorry it just sounded like you were being sarcastic
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Alec on July 16, 2008, 11:20:11 pm
So anyways, quick question: i dont like black girls. I could never really see myself sleeping or being sexual with a black women, unless she was like half-black and very very light with very non-african features (ive only ever been attracted to one black girl and she was indeed half white and acted pretty much like a white person). is that racist? i dont find them attractive, and im not saying i am 100% against EVER considering a black girl, but generally speaking i dont find black women attractive and would not want to sleep with one. is that racist? i dont like asian women either. i dont find them attractive at all and would never sleep with one. i dont understand how this is racist because its just a preference, yet i feel like if i said "oh no i dont like black women" someone will scoff and mutter "racist". what do i do about this???
I'm not attracted to black women either. There's nothing racist about that, it's just a personal preference, same as some people don't like short girls or girls with weird eyes, etc.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 16, 2008, 11:24:22 pm
yeah alec thats what it is


also DAMMIT now im a white guy but i dont get the big deal about this "rascism" thing i mean ive been discrimenated (sp?) again and lemme tell you it aint nearly as bad as those blacks complain about and it really pisses me off when they get all uppity about it--ive dealth with it too its not a big deal.  just get over it guys -_-


and oh sorry it just sounded like you were being sarcastic in the post.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 11:28:02 pm
oh man if i was being sarcastic yeah thats pretty bad but no

and the women thing is not racist right? you werent being sarcastic were you? i mean, if you put a black girl in front of me theres a 90% chance i would NOT sleep with her, kiss or, or anything like that, regardless of what she looks like (even more if she's a fatty gehehehe) but that is an unescapable form of racism and that is bad! i do not want to just go sleeping with black girls so i can totally not be racist that is fucked up!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 16, 2008, 11:30:15 pm
no i think this nation-wide perception that darker women aren't as attractive as lighter women is pretty racist!  it's not just one dude's preference; this is like a THING with everyone.  it's unavoidable, and i know a few darker black women who say it is basically just SOMETHING THEY DEAL WITH with 95% of people they encounter.  that's too consistent to just be PREFERENTIAL, so i think it crosses over into programming at that point, and it's not really too difficult to see where the standards originate from!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 11:33:13 pm
thats true! thats totally true! but remember i said its not about that! i feel the same about asian women, and they are totally white! i have a severe THING for mexicans and they are dark! i like indian chicks and they are dark! its NOT about darkness of skin (i realize black people are DARKER than mexicans or indians but i would sleep with a darker mexican before a ligher black woman).

what im getting at here is that i feel i have legitimate reasons for not liking blacks and asians and if there is no legitimate reason then i am even more racist than i thought!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 16, 2008, 11:35:33 pm
w/e i think it's possible to not be attracted to a certain type of thing and not be a racist if that is really what you are asking, but i would think this is obvious!  mostly i am talking in general terms about the widely held distaste for dark black women.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Arcan on July 16, 2008, 11:38:43 pm
also DAMMIT now im a white guy but i dont get the big deal about this "rascism" thing i mean ive been discrimenated (sp?) again and lemme tell you it aint nearly as bad as those blacks complain about and it really pisses me off when they get all uppity about it--ive dealth with it too its not a big deal.  just get over it guys -_-


and oh sorry it just sounded like you were being sarcastic in the post.

not sure what you are trying to say there >.>
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 11:41:24 pm
call me naive but how is saying "i do not find [race] sexually attractive" not racist? that seems much more racist than "sometimes black people are annoying!" because one is saying THE ENTIRE RACE OF PEOPLE, NO WAY and the other is like SOMETIMES SOME PEOPLE. i guess one is more innocent than the other, more "inconsequential" or something, while one has deep implications or what?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 16, 2008, 11:43:39 pm
because appearance is completely superficial.  you can not be attracted to a woman of a certain color in the same way you can not be attracted to a blonde and prefer brunettes.  it doesn't necessarily mean anything because it really is just superficial preferential shit sometimes.  BLUE VS RED.  but i think in the case of darker black women vs lighter black women for the most part it probably is coming from a racist conception of skin tone and beauty.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 11:45:50 pm
yeah ok that makes sense.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Alec on July 16, 2008, 11:57:51 pm
because appearance is completely superficial.  you can not be attracted to a woman of a certain color in the same way you can not be attracted to a blonde and prefer brunettes.  it doesn't necessarily mean anything because it really is just superficial preferential shit sometimes.  BLUE VS RED.  but i think in the case of darker black women vs lighter black women for the most part it probably is coming from a racist conception of skin tone and beauty.
I don't really understand what you mean there. I'm not talking about I WOULD NEVER DATE A BLACK WOMAN in my post, because yeah that would be superficial in an "I should get to know her" way, but I mean like media black women I don't find any of them attractive but in the same way I don't find most "hot media women" attractive for the most part but a few, it's just I'm not attracted to any black women in the media.

I am saying this because I say the same thing you used in your example. I generally prefer brunettes as well but the last few girls I've talked to/been interested in/dated have been blondes. There's not a lot of black girls around where I live, but the ones I generally see are either dirt poor or have horrible personalities (because, hey, if they didn't, why would they be in sanger?), so I've never been attracted to a black woman.

I'm not ruling it out, but up to this point it's never happened.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 16, 2008, 11:59:18 pm
hes pretty much talking to me, alec.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Arcan on July 17, 2008, 12:06:35 am
I don't think that our preference of lighter women is decided just because we are racist. To me it seems that we aren't used to it and we don't accept it because its not a normality. ex. If this was a society of really dark people, the darker girls would be more normal and would be more accepted than lighter girls
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Alec on July 17, 2008, 12:08:55 am
hes pretty much talking to me, alec.
I was mostly referring to the personal preference part because that's something I said and something he sarcastically commented on.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 17, 2008, 12:11:39 am
I don't think that our preference of lighter women is decided just because we are racist. To me it seems that we aren't used to it and we don't accept it because its not a normality. ex. If this was a society of really dark people, the darker girls would be more normal and would be more accepted than lighter girls
yeah you never see black people in america
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 17, 2008, 12:15:16 am
How do you feel about the asians, Arcan? Tell me you prefer a woman of the Japanese persuasion, as I do.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Arcan on July 17, 2008, 12:22:44 am
yeah you never see black people in america

Im pretty sure you know exactly what I mean and you are just trying to act dumb. And if you aren't.. thats really sad

How often do you think I see black people compared to white? Even though its stupidly obvious that they are around and I don't need anyone to point it out. If I could put it into perecentages I would say that I interact with white people 99% of the time. This is not because I don't know any black people or they aren't around. All I am saying is that if you think about it, how often do you think I see them if my whole family is white and  most of my friends are too. It's not like that if I just see them on the streets that I can say that they are an important part of my life.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Arcan on July 17, 2008, 12:24:43 am
How do you feel about the asians, Arcan? Tell me you prefer a woman of the Japanese persuasion, as I do.

I don't really prefer a type of race, and just because I sometimes have crazy ideas of stereotypes that I won't look at every girl.

Japanese are cool with me.

edit: for some reason my friend only likes asians, he won't stop talking about it >.>
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 17, 2008, 12:34:52 am
Im pretty sure you know exactly what I mean and you are just trying to act dumb. And if you aren't.. thats really sad

How often do you think I see black people compared to white? Even though its stupidly obvious that they are around and I don't need anyone to point it out. If I could put it into perecentages I would say that I interact with white people 99% of the time. This is not because I don't know any black people or they aren't around. All I am saying is that if you think about it, how often do you think I see them if my whole family is white and  most of my friends are too. It's not like that if I just see them on the streets that I can say that they are an important part of my life.
but how do you explain an illness that afflicts some (otherwise) upstanding Whites: Jungle Fever?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 17, 2008, 12:40:32 am
yeah dawg and my point is that black people are kind of ALL OVER THE PLACE and if you still think of them as THE OTHER and are somehow not yet used to their presence then you either live in whitesville (99% of your dealings?  seriously?) or you are just pathetically oblivious.


also this isn't just because black people aren't plentiful enough for you to adjust to (still maybe the dumbest thing i've heard in this topic), if it's because of that at all.  western culture has had such an effect on other countries that, for example, when i was younger my dad told me that back in nigeria the same holds true; the large majority of the population of nigeria are fairly dark, but due to the influence western culture exerts over countries further east, the same inexplicably universal preference for lighter skin is held, despite the overwhelming norm being dark skin.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Arcan on July 17, 2008, 01:00:03 am
Some of what you said in the 2nd paragraph does make a lot of sense but I think you totally missed the point of what I was saying according to what you wrote in the 1st paragraph. 

I never said that 99% of the people of where I live are white. My point was that the people that I see on the streets don't affect me and therefor hey don't go into the equation. The only ones that really matter are the people I interact with. How is anyone expected to adjust to people they don't know.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 17, 2008, 01:07:46 am
uhh you're expected to adjust because you see them every day and you are pretty immature if you can walk past these people and see them in stores and deal with them in restaurants on a daily basis and not adjust to their existence.  i really don't see how you can fail to understand why saying I CANT GET USED ALL THESE MINORITIES even though they're constantly all around me is exactly the type of attitude maintains tension.  it's even worse because you're acting like someone's grandma about it and being like WELL I DONT SEE WHY I SHOULD HAVE TO ADJUST i only see them all the time.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Shepperd on July 17, 2008, 01:13:35 am
also, when I simply find Halle Berry particularly repulsive
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Alec on July 17, 2008, 01:20:42 am
Halle Berry isn't repulsive to me. She is attractive, but I'm not attracted to her.

Tyra Banks is ugly as hell, but I think a lot of that is the haircut (I for some reason am generally not attracted to girls without bangs).
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Arcan on July 17, 2008, 01:21:54 am
uhh you're expected to adjust because you see them every day and you are pretty immature if you can walk past these people and see them in stores and deal with them in restaurants on a daily basis and not adjust to their existence.  i really don't see how you can fail to understand why saying I CANT GET USED ALL THESE MINORITIES even though they're constantly all around me is exactly the type of attitude maintains tension.  it's even worse because you're acting like someone's grandma about it and being like WELL I DONT SEE WHY I SHOULD HAVE TO ADJUST i only see them all the time.

Totally missed the point yet again...

Just seeing people is not enough to really understand because I DONT get to interact with them. I never even said that I don't want to adjust to them because that kind of thinking is exactly the thing I hated about those people that were racist to me. That was just a general example. Maybe you are just assuming too much and now I want to know..

when did you realise you were racist??
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 17, 2008, 01:35:00 am
nah i didn't miss the point at all but keep telling yourself that because i imagine it is easier to say that than to just admit you are doing something wrong.  but uh YOUR POINT is why i am calling you immature to begin with.  it's because yeah any reasonably mature person is expected to be able to adjust to people being around him whether they knows them or not.  probably because you are going to have to do it in life.  a lot.  if you want to keep making excuses for why you're for some reason incapable of doing something that's expected of pretty much any adult, then that's fine, but it doesn't change what you are.  saying NOO BUT I CANT >< just means there's something wrong with you, not the expectation!

honestly were you just a coddled and cloistered kid?  that seems to be the main type of person i encounter who seem totally unable to adjust to things despite the fact that they are around them constantly, whether there's any direct contact or not.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Farren on July 17, 2008, 01:45:16 am
I don't see how you guys think a white dude not finding most black chicks attractive is racist. Its physical attraction. I don't find myself horny for most black chicks as much as any other race, but then again I guess its just the cultural differences that kind of put me off.

I've met several african princesses that I would take over some blond bimbo any day but its really all relative and saying I DONT FIND MOST OF THE AFRICAN LADIES I GENERALLY SEE NEARLY AS ATTRACTIVE AS _________ isn't a sort of DEEP SEATED RACISM as much as it is sexual preference.



And I'm sorry but most lightskinned girls do actually look better. I'm not saying this via case by case basis but if I saw a bunch of lightskinned girls in a group near a bunch of darker skinned girls in a group, chances are I'd find the prior hotter.


Then again, its preference and saying WHELL THE MORE WHITE THEY HAVE IN EM THE BETTER YOU RACIST FUCK is pretty harsh.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: WunderBread on July 17, 2008, 01:49:12 am
I don't think that our preference of lighter women is decided just because we are racist. To me it seems that we aren't used to it and we don't accept it because its not a normality. ex. If this was a society of really dark people, the darker girls would be more normal and would be more accepted than lighter girls
Not completely true. Nigeria is filled with relatively dark people, and lighter-skinned girls are often the ones that are more sought after for commercial roles. Can't say much about romance, since I went to a girls' school while I was there and didn't get to see them interact with any guys. Nigeria was colonized by the British, and so this idea of "lighter = better" might have been instilled by them. Racism exists among black people, too. You can't say that it's because they're "not really used to it", either.

The preference for lighter individuals among blacks is called colorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorism). You can see it not only in personal preferences, but also in the media (i.e. light skinned blacks are more likely to get parts in movies, etc). It's a bit disappointing because I am pretty dark myself, but hey, if I ever went into television (lol) I suppose I could always get a job behind the scenes. It's kind of disconcerting for all those girls who want to be actresses, singers, or otherwise, though: they'll be turned away simply because they are too dark, or they'll be told to "lighten up".
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Arcan on July 17, 2008, 01:55:47 am
I can't begin to describe how far off you are. I don't even think you are reading my posts anymore. I know I am a racist, but not in the way that you say I am. What you said about me not trying to adjust is totally wrong. The one thing I hate more than anything people hating each other and thats why i try not to hate anyone.  My parents work as busdrivers and they interact with the community a lot. Sometimes I even hear stories about how people are such asshles and most of the times its black people. People learn from experience, isn't that true? When most of what I hear is bad things, don't you think I learn from them? But still, I am not so stupid as to think that it is okay. I used to go to church and I still think that hating anyone is a bad thing.

All you have done is criticised other people so far and as far as I remember you never said if you were racist or not.(if you did my bad) So instead of going off on other people and trying to piss them off, why don't you tell us if you think you are racist or not and lets us judge you.

If you don't want to tell me how you are not a racist or not, then don't bother to reply. I can see how angry you are getting and its making me angry too. I would rather not have a stupid argument.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 17, 2008, 01:57:31 am
fff
Hey!  Did you read my post or is it a coincidence that you just mentioned the exact same thing that I did?  That's a pretty cool coincidence!  Where in Nigeria did you go to school?

Anyway yeah that is a good post and exactly what I am talking about.  The fact that it plays such a strong role in what a black woman can do or the impression people get from her shows that clearly it's an incredibly important factor and not just something relating to benign preference of a few people.  It's such a universal thing that I think it's kind of naive and near-sighted not to attribute it to a perception that lighter skin tone is generally superior, which is of course unambiguously racist.  I don't think you guys put enough thought into why exactly you find darker skinned women less attractive.

Also I'm pretty sure I said I talked about myself on like the first page if you want to go back and judge me a little bit!  I have random stupid misconceptions of black culture in America but I think I got rid of most if not all of those a long time ago, so I'm inclined to say I don't think I'm particularly racist at all, but at the same time I'd agree with Jamicus that most people are at least a little bit, so maybe I am and I just don't realize how.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Arcan on July 17, 2008, 02:00:29 am
Not completely true. Nigeria is filled with relatively dark people, and lighter-skinned girls are often the ones that are more sought after for commercial roles. Can't say much about romance, since I went to a girls' school while I was there and didn't get to see them interact with any guys. Nigeria was colonized by the British, and so this idea of "lighter = better" might have been instilled by them. Racism exists among black people, too. You can't say that it's because they're "not really used to it", either.

The preference for lighter individuals among blacks is called colorism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colorism). You can see it not only in personal preferences, but also in the media (i.e. light skinned blacks are more likely to get parts in movies, etc). It's a bit disappointing because I am pretty dark myself, but hey, if I ever went into television (lol) I suppose I could always get a job behind the scenes. It's kind of disconcerting for all those girls who want to be actresses, singers, or otherwise, though: they'll be turned away simply because they are too dark, or they'll be told to "lighten up".

Thank you for not being an ass when posting something. That is something I didn't know.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: WunderBread on July 17, 2008, 02:41:23 am
Thank you for not being an ass when posting something. That is something I didn't know.
Yeah, well, I believe we can all use a little leaning once in a while. Sort of a step on the way toward understanding the things we all tend to ignore when it comes to race, I suppose. I myself wasn't really consciously aware of it until I looked it up. Now I see that the skin tone, not just race in general, can even dictate how far you can go in certain industries and careers. That's a rather sad fact.

Hey!  Did you read my post or is it a coincidence that you just mentioned the exact same thing that I did?  That's a pretty cool coincidence!  Where in Nigeria did you go to school?
Haha, I read through your post before but I didn't catch the part where you pointed out the "lighter=better" assumption. I guess it is some sort of coincidence. I went to school in Lagos, Nigeria, for a few months when I went to visit my cousins. It was the third time I visited and it's the last time I've been there so far. I was kind of bitter about going to school during summer vacation, but I did learn a lot about our differences (and similarities) in culture.

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Anyway yeah that is a good post and exactly what I am talking about.  The fact that it plays such a strong role in what a black woman can do or the impression people get from her shows that clearly it's an incredibly important factor and not just something relating to benign preference of a few people.  It's such a universal thing that I think it's kind of naive and near-sighted not to attribute it to a perception that lighter skin tone is generally superior, which is of course unambiguously racist.  I don't think you guys put enough thought into why exactly you find darker skinned women less attractive.
Agreed. As the wiki entry, states, colorism is a worldwide kind of thought that affects even the societies where you'd think it wouldn't. I guess this might be a reminder that many of us have those preconceived notions about people of different skin color, however minor they may seem. Or at the very least, we tend to be influenced in our personal preferences from an early age. Like you said, it's a universal phenomenon, and I don't really see a solution on the horizon. I think the best we can do is to actually realize what prejudices we hold and try to keep the next generation from thinking the same.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Boulvae on July 17, 2008, 02:52:04 am
I still can't believe the whole lighter=better, seriously those black woman are dead sexy. I find white woman of the same proportions creepy. I think it's because of the dominate religions of Christianity in the U.S., in Canada this occurs as well but more or less the "redder" the skin the worse off you'll be
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: TrickLobster on July 17, 2008, 03:21:40 am
i dont know if this antiracism or racism or w/e but if given the choice to fuck between an equally attractive black girl and a white girl, i would take the black girl merely for the fact that she was black. i dunno what that fits into.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: goldenratio on July 17, 2008, 03:48:18 am
affirmative action
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Mongoloid on July 17, 2008, 04:12:56 am
I am generally not attracted to black women because many of them have donkey faces and are ugly as sin. It really has nothing to do with the skin, rather the face. I even give points for big booties/boobies, and still 75% of the black girls I know are ehhhhh. Racism? You decide!

I am not attracted to donkey face white girls either btw.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Kaempfer on July 17, 2008, 04:33:20 am
Hey let me just preface any post I make in this thread apologizing for being kind of racist in the past (brown people do smell though) because I am working hard not to judge people <3 .

Anyways you guys need to figure out if you don't like UGLY GIRLS or GIRLS WHO LOOK A CERTAIN WAY or whatever because I look at ugly black girls the same way I look at ugly white girls, but there are lots of good looking black girls! They are lots of different places black people come from and I am pretty sure there are a couple places that plop out only uggos (likewise for any race, thanks bulgaria) but lots of 'em don't come from those places. I find East Asians pretty unattractive as a whole, though. I do like Indian girls a lot! Plus the word "hindu" is really fun to say. Hinduuuuuuuuu! Also I like Korean girls.

I am not sure if this has been discussed because I stopped following it for like four pages, but I work in retail and when OBVIOUS minorities come in (like Sikhs with their wild beards) I go out of my way to be helpful and I am pretty sure that is racism. Although, the more I work the more I find myself having no reaction to anyone whatsoever except based on how they look completely independent of race (I have scraggly hair and a stupid dirty shirt please help me buy expensive clothes).
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 17, 2008, 05:03:01 am
kaempfer are you sure you don't mean southeast asians, because korean grls look like most other east asian women for the most part, i would say!  china is a big place and has a lot of difference types of people, especially closer to the borders, so it can vary a lot, but japanese/korean/taiwanese women look fairly similar so unless you are just like EWW CHINESE WOMEN i don't really see how you can dislike east asians but like koreans!  southeast asians on the other hand i can completely understand, although there are some pretty hot ones too so even then it's probably not that bad
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 17, 2008, 05:09:45 am
I am generally not attracted to black women because many of them have donkey faces and are ugly as sin. It really has nothing to do with the skin, rather the face. I even give points for big booties/boobies, and still 75% of the black girls I know are ehhhhh. Racism? You decide!

I am not attracted to donkey face white girls either btw.
please post a sample of pic of what you mean
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Kaworu on July 17, 2008, 08:33:11 am
black people are ugly. Their lips are too big.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ThugTears666 on July 17, 2008, 08:57:55 am
I am not attracted to some really really really black people like eithiopians because they are so foreign to me.

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.fwrunco.com/media/WC10000.jpeg)

hideous

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/i135.photobucket.com/albums/q147/teesworld2007/kelly4.jpeg)

perfect
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 17, 2008, 09:33:46 am
well

i think number 200 isn't so hot, but the other ones i would say have something going for them!  the kenyan especially is kind of appealing, and the fact that she is GLISTENING helps, too.  i think foreign can be a good thing, sometimes; i don't understand why all of you talk about it like it is something automatically frightening and unappealing.  like i guess she would not be 100% A+++ FUCKABLE in the traditional sense but at the same time i think people like that are sort of beautiful in a more graceful and statuesque way.  like i would say when i look at her it is sort of like human art in motion like a CHEETAH RUNNING ACROSS THE SAVANNAH or some shit.

like...
stuff like this is sort of what i mean, too.  from a traditional perspective she may not be particularly hot but there is a great deal of BEAUTY there nonetheless, i would say, and actually probably more than in most women who would be considered hot.  like imo that bottom photo you posted is kind of just boring and wearing too much makeup and generally uninteresting since you see women like her constantly and it is all very plastic and contrived.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Sludgelord on July 17, 2008, 10:39:37 am
dude ethiopian and somalian women are the hottest fucking women on the planet. the picture you posted afura isn't so great because like panda said, those people are more STATUESQUE and ridiculously athletic.


so i got those pictures for a really sleazy-looking message board but i think the fact that they look EXOTIC to the average white american is part of it. but yeah, look at that. really full lips and cheeks and very beautiful eyes. man, i wish i knew some ethiopian girls.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ThugTears666 on July 17, 2008, 11:05:02 am
There is nothing attractive about the kenyan woman I posted, she looks very similar to an elderly black man. There is nothing feminine there at all. Hard flat chest and fuzzy short hair yay.

That being said I do understand the beauty that Headphonics was talking about, I have seen attractive eithiopians or whatever but I couldn't find any good pictures. Alot of the ones I see around town are kinda.... scary to me, not really in a racist way just in a completely foreign way. Like I know next to nothing about the culture etc.

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.ectv.org/images/l_4bbed402b7f6cb60b695fa0e9d76949b.jpeg)

This chick is not hot man, and the bottom 2 look a bit trashy. The first one is definitely though.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 17, 2008, 11:07:19 am
or maybe you are gay????
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ThugTears666 on July 17, 2008, 11:10:27 am
Actually I love females ALOT. I just wouldn't touch anything that looks similar to an elderly man  :gwa:

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the kenyan especially is kind of appealing

haha im gay? Masculine body, hard flat chest, short fuzzy hair YUM YUM

here is a photo for comparison:

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.victorynetwork.org/ArtFile/OldBlackMan.jpeg)

(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28206/sads.JPG)

very similar. YUM I LOVE THE LOOK OF A MANLY WOMAN
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: jamie on July 17, 2008, 11:16:15 am
hey afura i agree that the two women on the right are pretty dang unattractive. yeah i'm not really attracted to them at all, but the two on the left look like they could very easily be good looking if they were huffin' and puffin' through a relay race. also take a look at those whiteys in the background - yikes!! your comparison is a pro shot of kelly rowland too? how's a bunch of sweaty sprinters supposed to compete?!

anyway as far as this whole colourism thing goes i think it is definitely true and it's probably a combination of white people being afraid of black people and that bleeding over into even black people's perception of darker black people. it is really sad to think about because i can absolutely see people getting turned down for jobs etc cos they are a shade too dark.

looks wise, well i don't see that the darker skinned you are the less attractive you are. being a gross man, i sometimes watch porn, and the few really dark women i have seen have been, uh, extremely good looking. i think this perception that lighter skinned black women are more attractive is something that is brought about through the process of promoting the lighter skinned ones - it kind of feeds into itself? i mean the only pictures of really dark skinned people you see in the media tend to be those of starving people out in villages or victims of something, or maybe atheletes who aren't really worried about how they look - not models and popstars. so your perception is gonna be a bit skewed.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ThugTears666 on July 17, 2008, 11:23:51 am
Man I'm actually really sick of white blonde haired porn stars, that look is so boring if its faked.

Speaking of dark skinned people, check out this guy:

(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28206/black.JPG)

I also think some of those foreign tribes and stuff are really beautiful like in an exotic way.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 17, 2008, 12:04:29 pm
okay i guess having similar skin tone and short hair makes her look like an old man apparently???  i don't know how serious you are being but it's kind of a dumb way to view things!  you can tell she's not especially flat chested; i think that's just the jersey.  idk what does manly even mean to you because i would say she's pretty clearly feminine.  you say it like muscle tone, NOTHUGE TITS, and short hair are automatic qualifiers for being hideous or something.  it seems like you have a pretty rigid conception of beauty if you think whatever random hot chick you posted is f...flawlesss.... and somehow think this woman looks exactly like an old man!  i guess you are just not seeing what i am seeing if all you can get out of it is UGH GET IT AWAY.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Vellfire on July 17, 2008, 12:26:31 pm
Wait are you serious Afura???  You do realize that NOT ALL OF THEM LOOK LIKE OLYMPIC RUNNERS.  Basically what konix said was right, pretty much any woman that athletic is going to look like that, do you mean that those white WOMEN BODYBUILDERS are what all white women look like?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ThugTears666 on July 17, 2008, 12:48:12 pm
okay i guess having similar skin tone and short hair makes her look like an old man apparently???  i don't know how serious you are being but it's kind of a dumb way to view things!  you can tell she's not especially flat chested; i think that's just the jersey.  idk what does manly even mean to you because i would say she's pretty clearly feminine.  you say it like muscle tone, NOTHUGE TITS, and short hair are automatic qualifiers for being hideous or something.  it seems like you have a pretty rigid conception of beauty if you think whatever random hot chick you posted is f...flawlesss.... and somehow think this woman looks exactly like an old man!  i guess you are just not seeing what i am seeing if all you can get out of it is UGH GET IT AWAY.

Well obviously I'm not deadly serious but as many people have agreed she isn't particularly attractive or feminine, I guess I like girls to have some curve to them.
I never said they were automatic qualifiers, these things are just merely factors in her manliness. I never said anything about NOTHUGETITS LOL, just as she is clearly pretty muscular its safe to assume her whole body would be pretty toned including her chest which often happens with women who work out ALOT. You are reading into everything WAAAY TOO MUCH, I even said I understood the concept of foreign beauty so lol not rigid/onlylike plastic women. I JUST DON'T LIKE GIRLS WHO DON'T LOOK VERY MUCH LIKE GIRLS.

obviously i know they don't all look like olympic runners velfarre, i just googled eithiopian and thats what came up

OPINIONS
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ase on July 17, 2008, 12:49:36 pm
i used to not be able to watch black titties and pussies in my porn but now I can usually appreciate a black woman's contours

i am less racist than before!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ThugTears666 on July 17, 2008, 12:58:20 pm
What about the colour of the dick? Like I am barely used to seeing dick in porn let alone distracting Black dreadlocked men (not being racist i am referring to a specific porn)

im all for black/white/asian girls in porn tho

maybe this convo has gone too far........
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Yeaster on July 17, 2008, 01:06:43 pm
Tyra Banks is ugly as hell, but I think a lot of that is the haircut (I for some reason am generally not attracted to girls without bangs).


WHOA. Now if she walked past you on the street...I'm sure you'd turn around. She's grown a bit from her modeling days, but she's still a good looking woman (her personality is off though).

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What about the colour of the dick? Like I am barely used to seeing dick in porn let alone distracting Black dreadlocked men (not being racist i am referring to a specific porn)

Wow. I have dreadlocks. They haven't been a distraction so far, I'll tell you that!


In terms of race...since I'm old enough to know better I really don't stereotype people before I meet them. I mean, when I was younger, I used to all the time, but after actually going out and interacting with different people...I just don't judge anymore.

Though I am incredibly shallow and I'd prefer to marry a Hispanic or an Asian because I want my children to have long hair.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ThugTears666 on July 17, 2008, 01:17:33 pm
What I mean is that I hate watching a porn and being distracted by the guy! Like if he is wierdly hairy or like massive black COCK or like the camera zooms in on his face when he cums or something.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Boulvae on July 17, 2008, 03:21:35 pm
I always assumed the cameramen doing those films like that were gay.

Interestingly i've never seen a really dark african in any T.V. porn series that I have ever watched, i've only seen them on the internet, porn mags, and recomended videos of said porn mags.

P.S. Damn you Headphonics, you've hit the nail on the head with what I like!!!
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Blitzen on July 17, 2008, 04:44:00 pm
As a historian sometimes I consider the Herodotean argument that environmental factors which encourace cultural differentiation also encourage behaviour differentiation which leads different races to have different temperaments ie Eskimos are slow to anger and love kids, Greeks are tough cookies. Is that racism?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Yeaster on July 17, 2008, 05:28:45 pm
I always assumed the cameramen doing those films like that were gay.

For some reason, I did too.  :shrug:
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: crone_lover720 on July 17, 2008, 07:37:01 pm
YOU GUYS ARE WEIRD!!!!

I agree with headphonics that FOREIGN/DIFFERENT doesn't mean bad or unattractive, that's kinda primitive imo. But psychological studies have shown that IN GENERAL people prefer mates that are similar to them/don't have extreme features, even though I find that kinda weird. there are also a lot of people who are sexually frustrated in one way or another so maybe that could contribute too. I'm not really like you guys, while I'm definitely not very attracted to every woman I don't really have any discernable boundaries like you do. so far I think the only linking trait between them has been WOMAN



As a historian sometimes I consider the Herodotean argument that environmental factors which encourace cultural differentiation also encourage behaviour differentiation which leads different races to have different temperaments ie Eskimos are slow to anger and love kids, Greeks are tough cookies. Is that racism?
Hey Blitzen! boy you sound smart. to answer your question, it's not really racism. some of those things are societal, others are genetic. false stereotypes are racism, but valid things like 'cherokee babbys don't mind being bundled' are true and not racist
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: headphonics on July 17, 2008, 08:57:59 pm
Well obviously I'm not deadly serious but as many people have agreed she isn't particularly attractive or feminine, I guess I like girls to have some curve to them.
I never said they were automatic qualifiers, these things are just merely factors in her manliness. I never said anything about NOTHUGETITS LOL, just as she is clearly pretty muscular its safe to assume her whole body would be pretty toned including her chest which often happens with women who work out ALOT. You are reading into everything WAAAY TOO MUCH, I even said I understood the concept of foreign beauty so lol not rigid/onlylike plastic women. I JUST DON'T LIKE GIRLS WHO DON'T LOOK VERY MUCH LIKE GIRLS.

obviously i know they don't all look like olympic runners velfarre, i just googled eithiopian and thats what came up

OPINIONS
i got three words for ya: frak you rascist
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: maladroithim on July 17, 2008, 09:00:40 pm
maybe this convo has gone too far........

Yes it has.

Anyway I generally don't see a lot of black girls or asian girls that I find particularly attractive but I definitely am not repulsed specifically by SKIN COLOR or anything like that.  I think that usually people are more attracted to their own race maybe?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Lyndon on July 17, 2008, 10:16:27 pm
Yes it has.

Anyway I generally don't see a lot of black girls or asian girls that I find particularly attractive but I definitely am not repulsed specifically by SKIN COLOR or anything like that.  I think that usually people are more attracted to their own race maybe?

Yeah I kind of agree with this. I find attractive women in all races, but generally I prefer white girls
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: ThugTears666 on July 18, 2008, 12:57:38 am
Maybe its a deep physiological thing. I have found chicks of all races to be attractive at some stage though. Also I have recently begun finding black/latino chicks in porn to be the hotter ones.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on July 18, 2008, 01:25:09 am
Thanks, google ads.

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Is this racist?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Farren on July 18, 2008, 01:29:50 am
guys stop posting redheads everytime I see one I get a boner
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Blitzen on July 18, 2008, 02:50:59 am
Would it be racist for me to say that Easterners (Middle East -> Pacific) are generally more excitable than Westerners (America-> Europe-> Africa)?

EDIT: I figured out that yes it would nvm.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: YourHero on July 18, 2008, 03:28:05 am
you'll get deported back to KENYAAAAA
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on July 18, 2008, 06:49:59 am
i've got two words for you: national geographic
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: PTizzle on July 18, 2008, 12:01:30 pm
Yes it has.

Anyway I generally don't see a lot of black girls or asian girls that I find particularly attractive but I definitely am not repulsed specifically by SKIN COLOR or anything like that.  I think that usually people are more attracted to their own race maybe?

I dunno, basically all the girls I've hooked up with over my time have been white/Italian/Greek etc, basically not too exotic. But that's definitely not because I think white girls are hotter, it's just because there aren't a lot of black girls here and I don't know many Asian girls/see them at parties and so on. I think black/Asian girls are hot as hell.

Would it be racist for me to say that Easterners (Middle East -> Pacific) are generally more excitable than Westerners (America-> Europe-> Africa)?

EDIT: I figured out that yes it would nvm.

I think your surroundings can definitely influence your temperament somewhat. Most Aussies I know who don't live in Melbourne/Sydney are insanely laid back 90% of the time.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on July 18, 2008, 03:30:20 pm
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As a historian sometimes I consider the Herodotean argument that environmental factors which encourace cultural differentiation also encourage behaviour differentiation which leads different races to have different temperaments ie Eskimos are slow to anger and love kids, Greeks are tough cookies.

see you almost were okay until you said Herodotean which is pretty lmao because Herodotus among other things believed Indians could control giant ants.

basically blowin mind of thread here by restating what others have; socioeconomic differentiation is almost always the root cause of why you think or do anything like someone else in your racial group. there are few, if any, genetic predispositions shared between races, and those that exist are almost always aesthetic (ie, melanin levels in skin).
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: dicko on July 18, 2008, 03:38:02 pm
i can't afford to be racist, i'm part indian.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: big ass skelly on July 18, 2008, 10:38:55 pm
basically blowin mind of thread here by restating what others have; socioeconomic differentiation is almost always the root cause of why you think or do anything like someone else in your racial group. there are few, if any, genetic predispositions shared between races, and those that exist are almost always aesthetic (ie, melanin levels in skin).
Indians always post this kind of shit.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bled on July 19, 2008, 05:31:47 am
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basically blowin mind of thread here by restating what others have; socioeconomic differentiation is almost always the root cause of why you think or do anything like someone else in your racial group. there are few, if any, genetic predispositions shared between races, and those that exist are almost always aesthetic (ie, melanin levels in skin)

...

So you're saying it's perfectly normal for me, a white middle class American boy, to have the occasional yearning for fried chicken, colla-greens and malt liquor???

I call BULLSHIT!\.
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on July 20, 2008, 08:58:57 am
see you almost were okay until you said Herodotean which is pretty lmao because Herodotus among other things believed Indians could control giant ants.

basically blowin mind of thread here by restating what others have; socioeconomic differentiation is almost always the root cause of why you think or do anything like someone else in your racial group. there are few, if any, genetic predispositions shared between races, and those that exist are almost always aesthetic (ie, melanin levels in skin).

did you look this stuff up or is herodotus quite well known or did you do a history class or something or why and how do you know this because you do this quite often!!

speaking of incoherence: i have heard that there's a gene that's way more common in asian and polynesian races that gives them violent hangovers. i heard this from my english teacher in highschool
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: fatty on July 23, 2008, 07:43:03 pm
I would say I'm about 5% raciest, but thats only because Muslims, Greeks and the Polish have pissed me off for most of my life. (Everyone else is cool with me.)
I probably contributed to this somehow(or you stopped using msn)
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: Bender on July 23, 2008, 07:52:17 pm
When will man learn that all races are equally inferior to robots?
Title: When did you first find out you were a racist?
Post by: fatty on July 23, 2008, 07:58:53 pm
When will man learn that all races are equally inferior to robots?
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