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Post by: Fire Mage on July 21, 2008, 08:09:18 pm
Okay so, I watched Reno 911! Miami (it was ok...exaggerated humor etc). But anyway, in the credits there was a song, called Police and Thieves. It said it was performed by a band called Sprechen Sie Deutsch (yes I know what that means).

When I looked up "Police and Thieves", I got...The Clash! Of course I listened to that version and it sucked. I just think The Clash has a few select good songs and that's it. Anyhow...

I'm trying to look for the band but of course all I get is "WHAT DOES SPRECHEN SIE DEUTSCH MEAN" and "DO YOU SPEAK DEUTSCH" and even if I add in band and stuff, they don't come up.


Youtube Link -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzos0EvDtEs


Someone help because I liked that version!

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Well idk now! Apparently it's Dave Grohl (it did sound a lot like him) but fuck Reno for putting a fake band in there. Sorry I guess this topic sucked.
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Post by: headphonics on July 21, 2008, 09:27:05 pm
ew.... the clash??? heh gimme the dave grohl version
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Post by: headphonics on July 21, 2008, 09:27:27 pm
THEEEEERE GOOOOOES MYYYY HEROOOO
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Post by: headphonics on July 21, 2008, 09:29:34 pm
welp its not the song you asked for but heres a lil something you might enjoy too http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72ojJkhOc0A
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Post by: Farren on July 21, 2008, 10:16:49 pm
I actually heard the Grohl version and its pretty good but its pretty hard to tell its grohl.

fuck you don't compare him to falloutboy
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 22, 2008, 07:45:27 pm
LOL HEADPHONICS YOU SO FUNNY

no really dude the clash aren't that good.

and dave grohl/foo fighters are nothing like fall out boy what the hell

i'm sorry if i hurt your ego for saying i don't like listening to "*SLUR* PUH...LEEEECE... *MUMBLE SLUR*" by the clash :(


:EDIT:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQXgfD0UKIY

mmm i love me some clash
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Post by: thecatamites on July 22, 2008, 08:53:53 pm
Hey, fuck you headphonics. What you don't understand is that you don't just "listen" to Dave Grohl's music, you LIVE it. You live it while standing on a car racing down a desert highway at 100mph as wind dramatically billows your shoulder-length blond hair, or alternatively while standing on the edge of a cliff and staring out at the sea as waves crash hundreds of feet below. Dave Grohl (or Dee-Gee, as his fans affectionately dub him) even rivals Nickelback themselves when it comes to emotive MOR power ballads, and that's a compliment I don't bestow lightly. The Clash (heh, might as well call them the Gash 'cause they're such pussies) don't even deserve to hold Dee-Gee's towels.

You can deny all you want, but ask yourself this: which band is better suited to the raw spectacle and grandeur of a Naruto AMV? If you're honest with yourself, you already know the answer.
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Post by: Ryan on July 22, 2008, 08:56:52 pm
first off id like to give a lil fuck you to the dave grohl haters. he was in nirvana, people. N.I.R.V.A.N.A. now hes in the best band in the world, the foo fighters. give him a break ok??

next, to you clash haters: ever heard rock the casbah? it was on that simpsons episode. good enough for me.
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Post by: ThugTears666 on July 22, 2008, 09:33:55 pm
Honestly everyone loves Foo Fighters and they are pretty boring but they aren't that bad!
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Post by: thecatamites on July 22, 2008, 09:41:05 pm
I seriously only listened to a few of their tracks for the first time today, and yeah they weren't particularly horrible so much as just... really unremarkable and bland. Like, I forgot what they sounded like after every song and I still can't remember any details about them other than that 'Everlast' sounded sorta like Dinosaur Jr.
I just think this is funny because the cool thing about the Clash version is how stripped-down and urgent it is, and the Grohl cover loses that and just ends up making it another vaguely catchy and completely unmemorable rock song.
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Post by: Farren on July 22, 2008, 09:59:28 pm
I don't disagree with you there, but they're more about making catchy songs than anything really meaningful. Which is what they're really good at and its not retarded music anyways so I give them credit for it.

Also the newest album is the best imo even though there are some pretty good tracks on the earlier ones.


Nickleback is fucking terrible
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Post by: ThugTears666 on July 22, 2008, 10:05:41 pm
really unremarkable and bland


This.


Like if they made two albums it would be ok and you could be like "hey these guys are a decent rock band". But their sound honestly never changes, everything sounds THE SAME.
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Post by: headphonics on July 22, 2008, 10:32:35 pm
yeah i don't know many people who love foo fighters!  i don't hate them or dave grohl but it is just brainless homogeneous rock music and like catamites said not really interesting or remarkable at all.  i think the first song i ever heard by them was when i was like 15 and it was EVERLONG and i thought hey this isn't bad!!! but the rest of their stuff turned out to be so boring.  it's a little disappointing considering he was in nirvana, and they were great.  i don't see how anyone can find them catchy at all, really!  they're so forgettable.

also fire mage i'm not insulted so much as i am AMUSED because no one with any taste would ever say the clash wasn't that great and you are sort of acting like you've figured it all out and all of us just haven't gotten it yet, and the fact that you are INTO DAVE GROHL just makes it funnier.  you're like those guys on youtube who say SHUT UP EVERYONE IVE LISTENED TO JOY DIVISION AND THEY SUCK this fob cover is way better
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Post by: Lars on July 22, 2008, 10:53:34 pm
i think the chorus chord progression of that one song where the verses is just a G power chord played over and over again

cant remember the title atm but it had a chorus where david sang something

ill try and remember it
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Post by: ThugTears666 on July 22, 2008, 11:58:48 pm
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yeah i don't know many people who love foo fighters!

Man you should try New Zealand, I'd say if I asked 10 random guys on the street at least 6 of them would say yeah they really liked them. Honestly they are like part of our culture, if you are a boring cliche guy you like them, just like you like rugby, cars and girls. They have been here like three times in the past two years and they sell out every time. Same happens with the band BREAKING BENJAMIN or DISTURBED.
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Post by: ATARI on July 23, 2008, 12:25:19 am
Foo Fighter's newest album has some pretty good stuff on it, as  well as The Colour and Shape.  The rest of their stuff is admittedly rather generic sounding, but they do have their moments, and a two solid albums in my book.  (Although the second half of "Patience" is way worse than the first half of the album)
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Post by: goldenratio on July 23, 2008, 12:27:02 am
wow new zealand has shitty taste in music!

do you guys love CREED too?
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Post by: ThugTears666 on July 23, 2008, 12:59:57 am
Nah but Tool has the most record sales per person here. It's mainly just generic young guys who are tradespeople and listen to rock music at work.

Sorry we aren't all arrogant americans who have a whingy accent and think we own the world but are fat as shit/LOVE TV and responsible for polluting the whole world with our corporate garbage.  :gwa: :gwa:
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Post by: headphonics on July 23, 2008, 01:34:01 am
whats an american accent sound like
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Post by: Sludgelord on July 23, 2008, 01:45:48 am
All of those mid-90s rock bands seem so interchangeable. Foo Fighters, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Bush, they're all sort of the same to me.
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Post by: ATARI on July 23, 2008, 01:58:30 am
wow those bands pretty much all are quite different but i guess they all use the same instruments so maybe????
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Post by: headphonics on July 23, 2008, 02:29:33 am
All of those mid-90s rock bands seem so interchangeable. Foo Fighters, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Bush, they're all sort of the same to me.
i think stone temple pilots was substantially different from foo fighters man!  i don't know much about soundgarden but i would say bush and foo fighters are the only real BLOBROCK bands of those.  bunnymilk told me alice in chains was very good so i guess i'm just going by his opinion on them though.
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Post by: ATARI on July 23, 2008, 02:31:49 am
yeah the closest to being interchangeable are foo fighters and bush, since they both pretty much started the whole post-grunge movement (which most of the bands that eventually came out of that movement sound exactly the same) but Bush's first album is actually pretty decent, although the rest of their discography is pretty terrible, but you can easily tell Bush and Foo Fighters apart

and AIC were a really great band.  They have a new studio album coming out sometime this year I believe, but without Layne Staley, I really don't think it's going to be nearly as powerful as any of their older material
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Post by: Ryan on July 23, 2008, 02:35:05 am
both alice in chains and soundgarden are pretty good bands. especially if you like grunge.

as for bush and foo fighters, yeah they're both really generic! that is the foo fighters biggest problem, they're not really awful or anything they just kind of make the same albums over and over
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 23, 2008, 03:02:26 am
also fire mage i'm not insulted so much as i am AMUSED because no one with any taste would ever say the clash wasn't that great and you are sort of acting like you've figured it all out and all of us just haven't gotten it yet, and the fact that you are INTO DAVE GROHL just makes it funnier.  you're like those guys on youtube who say SHUT UP EVERYONE IVE LISTENED TO JOY DIVISION AND THEY SUCK this fob cover is way better
i didn't think you were genuinely insulted or whatever buuutt

i mean, from what i've seen i haven't experienced A LOT of the clash but some of their stuff is just idk. maybe it's just the fact that that is a live version but it's just too much mumble/slur.

the only the clash songs i've heard and liked a lot are "should i stay or should i go" (well-known and kind of generic but whatever), "complete control" and "i fought the law", unless i'm forgetting any more. point me to some really good clash songs then????


oh and i've never listened to joy division so idk how they are. also you keep bringing up fall out boy keep them out of this topic thanks!  :)


p.s. compare "stacked actors", "hey, johnny park!", "monkey wrench", "everlong", and the first half of the album "echoes, silence, patience & grace" by foo fighters.

i mean i don't think anyone's actually going to go compare all that stuff because i said so but those aren't all GENERIC SAME THING FORGETTABLE so idk????


also i like all the bands chef posted and they're pretty different! (i agree about bush though)
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Post by: cowardknower on July 23, 2008, 04:06:23 am
All of those mid-90s rock bands seem so interchangeable. Foo Fighters, Stone Temple Pilots, Soundgarden, Alice in Chains, Bush, they're all sort of the same to me.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare you being serious?
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Post by: local_dunce on July 24, 2008, 09:15:38 pm
Man, Alice in Chains are a standout band.

Also Fire Mage you are a douchebag but I can blame that on your being 12 right? I guess as you grow older you might be able to appreciate the clash more and stop listening to shit music.
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 25, 2008, 03:35:27 am
Man, Alice in Chains are a standout band.

Also Fire Mage you are a douchebag but I can blame that on your being 12 right? I guess as you grow older you might be able to appreciate the clash more and stop listening to shit music.
haha all of the sudden i'm a douchebag (oh let's glance over headphonics' 3 posts) because........SHOCKER i didn't enjoy some of the clash's songs? i asked for someone to point me to some of their good songs (yet no one did!!)


it's seriously times like this that gw gets pretty stupid! (majority of replies "oh man you don't like the clash your music taste sucks" and also your comment!) i mean "i'm sorry" is that what you want me to say? i mean yeah i'm 17 so it's not like i'm really grown at all (this is serious btw i have a lotta life ahead) but apparently that means i listen to shit music?


So yeah I just typed up all the bands that are in my iTunes and the super-majority of which I listen to regularly. Please tell me how much of the list is "shit music"... I'm serious.

Yeah I got myself riled up about this now so w/e!  :cool:
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Post by: headphonics on July 25, 2008, 03:59:17 am
uh a lot of thats pretty bad man

also if you want POINTED IN THE DIRECTION of their good shit then idk all of london calling.  that video IS their good shit imo although it gets better but i mean if you think that sounds terrible it's more or less a lost cause.  i mean you think the clash is horrible yet listen to TRAPT//GODSMACK//BLINK 182 so i don't really blame them for just making jokes instead of giving constructive advice.  it's not hard to find SUGGESTED LISTENING with a band like the clash, anyway; london calling is a legendary album!  also i don't think i was being a douchebag.  it was a bit spammy, but i thought it was pretty funny.
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 25, 2008, 04:03:22 am
uh a lot of thats pretty bad man
wellllllllllllll. idk w/e??

opinions are opinions. but that video is just not good to me. he's mumbling/slurring and half the time fades out of the mic etc. i'll eventually look up some of the actual tracks but...that live video is bleh?
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Post by: ATARI on July 25, 2008, 05:11:30 am
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Avenged Sevenfold
sorry i stopped reading your list after this
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Post by: headphonics on July 25, 2008, 06:10:35 am
you should've at least kept reading until my chemical romance or new found glory or perhaps even staind
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 25, 2008, 03:17:50 pm
you should've at least kept reading until my chemical romance or new found glory or perhaps even staind
well no i knew in advance just about everyone would name them as shit but w/e!
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Post by: ATARI on July 25, 2008, 03:38:56 pm
what bothers me is that you list some good bands so I know that you're at least somewhat aware but you still choose to listen to like Maroon 5 so like seriously???
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 25, 2008, 03:52:20 pm
what bothers me is that you list some good bands so I know that you're at least somewhat aware but you still choose to listen to like Maroon 5 so like seriously???
i said the super-majority of my list i listen to regularly, i just listed all the stuff in my iTunes but i don't listen to them anymore to be honest :/

but yes i listen to avenged sevenfold, my chemical romance, and staind regularly. and new found glory not so regularly! soo. idk.

trust me, i used to like a lot of other (worse) bands that i've grown out of (good charlotte gogarn erndf)
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Post by: im9today on July 25, 2008, 04:01:21 pm
how dare you listen to music that is popular with your age-group/location >:^(   >:^(   >:^(

if someone on the internet says you have to like the clash you better fucking listen

its okay to like some of the stuff on there but only ironically (like anime)
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 25, 2008, 04:40:32 pm
how dare you listen to music that is popular with your age-group/location >:^(   >:^(   >:^(

if someone on the internet says you have to like the clash you better fucking listen

its okay to like some of the stuff on there but only ironically (like anime)
wait what? it's not like i'm really bowing down "ok i will like the clash and throw away all my other bands" idk what you're talking about?

and also i don't understand the last line!!
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Post by: goldenratio on July 25, 2008, 05:28:49 pm
WHATS SARCASM??
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 25, 2008, 05:58:24 pm
WHATS SARCASM??
no i mean the first two lines are sarcasm (and i had absolutely no clue of the point of the last line, sarcasm or not)

but he was being sarcastic towards the others so that made a point about me. but forget it!
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Post by: im9today on July 25, 2008, 07:07:37 pm
sorry
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 25, 2008, 07:29:23 pm
sorry
you were defending me so don't say sorry...unless this is sarcastic too!!

but whatever this thread is dragged out a lot. argh.
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Post by: headphonics on July 25, 2008, 07:47:13 pm
how dare you listen to music that is popular with your age-group/location >:^(   >:^(   >:^(

if someone on the internet says you have to like the clash you better fucking listen

its okay to like some of the stuff on there but only ironically (like anime)
i guess gw has been spoiled by having most of its 17 year olds' taste in music not be as bad as wackfiend's.  there are certain expectations now!
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Post by: idiot kid on July 26, 2008, 02:37:32 am
man

he's mumbling/slurring and half the time fades out of the mic etc.

it's punk rock yo! like i guess i could understand a complaint about vocal acuity if it were consistent with the music you listen to, but there are enough poor/obnoxious vocalists in the bands you listed that i don't think your problem with the clash's vocals makes much sense! also honestly strummer has a great fucking voice and i would not consider it MUMBLING so much as YELLING and/or the product of a fairly strong accent.  the dirtiness/sloppiness is very much a part of the punk rock attitude and sound (although the clash was an insanely tight band) and this is something i appreciate quite a lot about strummer's vocals.  i guess you are used to some POST GRUNGE shit that has watered down its punk rock influences to such an extreme degree that the clash sounds somehow outside your comfort zone, but honestly besides being composed entirely of EXTREMELY GOOD TRACKS London Calling in particular is an extremely accessible album.  i always kind of thought it was one of the records basically anyone raised in a Western musical culture could listen to and immediately appreciate if only for its hooks/sound/performance but i guess not and i don't know what to tell you man!
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 26, 2008, 04:57:18 am
man

it's punk rock yo! like i guess i could understand a complaint about vocal acuity if it were consistent with the music you listen to, but there are enough poor/obnoxious vocalists in the bands you listed that i don't think your problem with the clash's vocals makes much sense! also honestly strummer has a great fucking voice and i would not consider it MUMBLING so much as YELLING and/or the product of a fairly strong accent.  the dirtiness/sloppiness is very much a part of the punk rock attitude and sound (although the clash was an insanely tight band) and this is something i appreciate quite a lot about strummer's vocals.  i guess you are used to some POST GRUNGE shit that has watered down its punk rock influences to such an extreme degree that the clash sounds somehow outside your comfort zone, but honestly besides being composed entirely of EXTREMELY GOOD TRACKS London Calling in particular is an extremely accessible album.  i always kind of thought it was one of the records basically anyone raised in a Western musical culture could listen to and immediately appreciate if only for its hooks/sound/performance but i guess not and i don't know what to tell you man!
i mean i understand that the clash has influenced A LOT but idk what i've seen so far hasn't made me...get into them.

i'll check out London Calling eventually i guess. a question though, is there any big difference between the clash live and the actual albums? because idk some bands watching them live (over the internet) makes it...not good?
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Post by: headphonics on July 26, 2008, 05:12:57 am
well it depends on the performance but yeah, there is a difference.  it's just not nearly as big as it is for most bands, i would say.  that whole diy mentality or w/e lent a lot of grittiness to their studio albums, so it doesn't sound OVERPRODUCED or whatever you would use to describe most of these bloated bands who sound nothing at all live like they do in the studio.
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Post by: Vellfire on July 26, 2008, 12:30:21 pm
fire mage you listen to weird al



:(
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 26, 2008, 06:40:46 pm
well it depends on the performance but yeah, there is a difference.  it's just not nearly as big as it is for most bands, i would say.  that whole diy mentality or w/e lent a lot of grittiness to their studio albums, so it doesn't sound OVERPRODUCED or whatever you would use to describe most of these bloated bands who sound nothing at all live like they do in the studio.
well yeah that was i was talking about. i have quite a few bands like that but it's whatever! i mean there are a lotta band who are good both on album and live so yeah (i.e. modest mouse etc).

oh btw that's another question. in your opinion, do you classify modest mouse as good or "shit"? haha. they're my favorite band pretty much though i'm not saying they're the best band there is, it's just i like them a lot and can listen to pretty much everything by them without getting tired of it and they're pretty great!


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hahaha not all the time i only have like that newest album (that had the shit like TRAPPED IN THE DRIVE-THRU) because... it's stupid yet funny sometimes!
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Post by: DS on July 26, 2008, 06:57:25 pm
modest mouse is good

it's also okay to not like the clash if everyone had the same taste that would be boring now wouldn't it.....
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 26, 2008, 07:20:19 pm
modest mouse is good

it's also okay to not like the clash if everyone had the same taste that would be boring now wouldn't it.....
well yeah!

i never said i'd listen to london calling and love it! i'll give it a try though.
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Post by: idiot kid on July 26, 2008, 08:03:10 pm
modest mouse is a really good band!  the core band has consistently surrounded themselves with other really tight performers, they're inventive guitarists and clearly very good at playing alternative/indie rock, their melodies (or whatever you would call them?) are interesting and brock's a good vocalist and sometimes an extremely clever lyricist.  they remain one of my favorite bands (and they do a very good live show).  but that's kind of a strange question to pull out of the blue i think unless it was just that they were on your list and people were kind of saying EVERYTHING ON THAT IS SHIT.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on July 26, 2008, 08:42:28 pm
i sold cocaine to isaac brock's dad hth.
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Post by: Shepperd on July 26, 2008, 09:09:49 pm
The funny thing about this topic is that Fire mage isn't trying to discredit just any band, but THE CLASH and LONDON CALLING.
Good laughs.

Foo Fighters is empty of content, ESPECIALLY when comparing to a band so historic as The Clash, a band that initiated punk together with the Sex pistols and then with London Calling they became the pioneers of what we nowadays call punk (y'know, not just simple three chord processions and more eclectic and innovative songs).
The Clash are History and Great Music.
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Post by: headphonics on July 26, 2008, 10:15:18 pm
yeah modest mouse is one of my favorite bands; i think they have a pretty interesting sound and it's kind of rare for INDIE ROCK BAND to have something that separates itself from the pack in terms the actual type of music it plays, but they do.  odd vocals/banjos/etc.  anyway that's kind of irrelevant i think, because it's not like anyone said the entire list was bad.  you listed like 100 bands, so that would be pretty difficult to do!
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Post by: Parker on July 26, 2008, 10:24:22 pm
The funny thing about this topic is that Fire mage isn't trying to discredit just any band, but THE CLASH and LONDON CALLING.
Good laughs.
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Post by: DS on July 26, 2008, 10:26:15 pm
at least read the topic before asking that

edit well nvm since jojo edited his post
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Post by: Sludgelord on July 27, 2008, 12:25:56 am
it's okay. i listened to worse music than you when i was 17.
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Post by: ATARI on July 27, 2008, 12:38:15 am
*modest mouse dick stroke*


nothing against mm so much (I don't relaly like them much but the'yre just not my thing) but it seems kind of random how this topic turned into ALL ABOUT MODEST MOUSE
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 27, 2008, 04:46:14 am
but that's kind of a strange question to pull out of the blue i think unless it was just that they were on your list and people were kind of saying EVERYTHING ON THAT IS SHIT.
well it's partly that. i think they're great and even though people were like "you have some good stuff it's still pretty" i was interested to hear what people thought of them!

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The funny thing about this topic is that Fire mage isn't trying to discredit just any band, but THE CLASH and LONDON CALLING.
i never discredited the album London Calling. i pretty much discredited the clash (or as far as what i've seen of them except for a select few songs so that point is valid!) but i definitely said i'll maybe check out London Calling.

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nothing against mm so much (I don't relaly like them much but the'yre just not my thing) but it seems kind of random how this topic turned into ALL ABOUT MODEST MOUSE
yeah idk i was just interested in what headphonics thought of them then the whole topic swarmed around it soooooo.

p.s. hey ds what did jojo ask?
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Post by: cowardknower on July 27, 2008, 05:50:26 am
it's also okay to not like the clash if everyone had the same taste that would be boring now wouldn't it.....

You know people say that but idk if I agree.  Like yeah I guess it would the interestingness of life on whether other people also like the same music or something?
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Post by: cowardknower on July 27, 2008, 05:50:49 am
Wait that doesn't make any sense.
STRIKE IT FROM THE RECORD[/b]
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Post by: ATARI on July 27, 2008, 04:17:40 pm
if everybody listened to the same music then I couldn't be smug with thinking that I listen to better music than most people

don't take this away from me
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Post by: DS on July 27, 2008, 04:21:09 pm
and couldn't make fun of power metal..
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Post by: Vale on July 27, 2008, 09:37:01 pm
The funny thing about this topic is that Fire mage isn't trying to discredit just any band, but THE CLASH and LONDON CALLING.
Good laughs.

Foo Fighters is empty of content, ESPECIALLY when comparing to a band so historic as The Clash, a band that initiated punk together with the Sex pistols and then with London Calling they became the pioneers of what we nowadays call punk (y'know, not just simple three chord processions and more eclectic and innovative songs).
The Clash are History and Great Music.
I'm not nearly as active as I should be so I probably miss out on a lot of stuff, but aren't you the same guy who said LISTEN TO MUSIC BECAUSE IT SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU or something?
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Post by: cowardknower on July 27, 2008, 09:49:06 pm
Haaaaa shepp got CALLED OUT.
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Post by: ThugTears666 on July 28, 2008, 12:45:04 am
OH SNAP another argument ensures!
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Post by: Shepperd on July 28, 2008, 12:58:03 am
I'm not nearly as active as I should be so I probably miss out on a lot of stuff, but aren't you the same guy who said LISTEN TO MUSIC BECAUSE IT SOUNDS GOOD TO YOU or something?
EDIT: wait, I read it wrong. No, I didn't say that.
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 29, 2008, 07:21:44 pm
and couldn't make fun of power metal..
through the fire and the flames we carry OOOOOOOOOOONNNNNNNNN!!!!!!

dragonforce is my hilarious power metal fix :)
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Post by: cowardknower on July 29, 2008, 07:29:25 pm
EDIT: wait, I read it wrong. No, I didn't say that.

What.  I could swear you have said this 10000s of times.
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Post by: Shepperd on July 29, 2008, 07:52:35 pm
I might have said I LISTEN TO MUSIC THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, which is different.
I really don't remember saying that, so basically it doesn't matter, because I don't remember, hence, not in my mindframe.
I'm not contradicting myself whether I said it or not, and sustain the statement that it is stupid to discredit a band of such historic importance.
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 29, 2008, 08:10:04 pm
I might have said I LISTEN TO MUSIC THAT SOUNDS GOOD TO ME, which is different.
I really don't remember saying that, so basically it doesn't matter, because I don't remember, hence, not in my mindframe.
I'm not contradicting myself whether I said it or not, and sustain the statement that it is stupid to discredit a band of such historic importance.
i'm jumping in because i get your argument of the clash's influence (and i know they influenced a lot!!) but....

say something happened and fall out boy ended up as the basis/big influence for basically every band from now on...would their "importance" make them good....no!

now that's a really dumb situation but i'm just saying, influence does not equal "everyone should like/respect/listen to them" type of stuff. i'm not completely discrediting them anymore (still haven't listened to London Calling) but just relax!

not everyone in the world actually likes the clash. so idk man. i mean tons of people hate modest mouse or pink floyd or led zeppelin or dinosaur jr or anything.
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Post by: Shepperd on July 29, 2008, 08:41:49 pm
i'm jumping in because i get your argument of the clash's influence (and i know they influenced a lot!!) but....

say something happened and fall out boy ended up as the basis/big influence for basically every band from now on...would their "importance" make them good....no!

now that's a really dumb situation but i'm just saying, influence does not equal "everyone should like/respect/listen to them" type of stuff. i'm not completely discrediting them anymore (still haven't listened to London Calling) but just relax!

not everyone in the world actually likes the clash. so idk man. i mean tons of people hate modest mouse or pink floyd or led zeppelin or dinosaur jr or anything.
I fucking hate metal. But I sure admit that Black Sabbath, Metallica, Iron Maiden are historic bands, and don't deny their importance.
But why are they important, one might ask. It has to do with creativity, content, historical context, so forth.
I don't really dig Sex Pistols and The Ramones, but I consider them untouchables for what they did to punk. And I love The Clash because with London Calling they initiated the punk of the 80s, which is imo the best punk era.

So Foo Fighters, that band is bland, they just sound formulaic, it doesn't impress me. It is easy listening, only just a bit heavier. By easy listening I mean it isn't challenging, y'know, not challenging for the listener.
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 29, 2008, 08:44:59 pm
yeah i get it it so idk w/e.

like i said though, i understand their influence and importance, i just can't find myself get into them. i'll check out the album eventually so who knows but, yeah that's about it. i don't really know how to wrap it up.
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Post by: DS on July 29, 2008, 09:25:08 pm
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I fucking hate metal. But I sure admit that Black Sabbath, Metallica, Iron Maiden are historic bands, and don't deny their importance.
man i like metal and i think they all suck heh

i'm not going to say they are bad but they are just so incredibly boring to me, just like 99% of 80s heavy metal is. although black sabbath is more than that.

Even if some band is influential, that doesn't mean you have to like it. I don't think Fire Mage is saying The Clash are bad, just not his cup of tea. Them being influential doesn't really change anything about that.
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 29, 2008, 10:03:47 pm
man i like metal and i think they all suck heh

i'm not going to say they are bad but they are just so incredibly boring to me, just like 99% of 80s heavy metal is. although black sabbath is more than that.

Even if some band is influential, that doesn't mean you have to like it. I don't think Fire Mage is saying The Clash are bad, just not his cup of tea. Them being influential doesn't really change anything about that.
Yeah thanks! That's pretty much it.

Except you know, the beginning of the argument where I got "angry" with "the clash isn't that good!" etc...

but...yeah. anyway i'm done now. i think this topic should be over!
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Post by: idiot kid on July 29, 2008, 10:13:52 pm
you know panda brought up a point that i relate to which is that i can really understand not being able to get into the clash! like as accessible as london calling/combat rock is to me it is a pretty abrasive musical aesthetic and just very foreign and harsh if it's totally unfamiliar to you. i mean, one time my dad asked me what shoegaze was and i played some mbv track because i thought it was a good example in addition to being pretty universally listenable, but he totally did not get what i saw in it.  this does not mean he has laughably bad taste or anything, just that it is completely different music than what he is accustomed to.  similarly the clash is pretty far from pop in attitude and in some respects in sound (strummer's vocals were pointed out as being kind of SPITTY and MUMBLING or whatever, and i would say it's true that his vocals are pretty distant from most pop music), and i don't think a high school kid with a casual interest in music -- as opposed to an OBSESSIVE interest, which most posters in this topic (including myself) possess --  is really worthy of mockery for not being able to immediately appreciate the clash's sound.

on the other hand, i think it's important to constantly expand and refine one's taste in all artforms. additionally, i have trouble conceptualizing a thorough interest in music that does not include the clash. but it's important to start exploring music beginning with bands you know.  i believe (perhaps naively) that research and interest into pretty much any genre of music, or into any artform really, will eventually result in the discovery of good music no matter what direction you pursue. unless you are some crazy metal nerd i do not get those guys at all (then again i have known crazy metal nerds to suddenly BREAK THROUGH and start listening to other styles of music which i have more respect for). so yeah i would say that it doesn't really matter what you're ilstening to now as long as you maintain an interest in expanding your tastes and seeking out new music. i personally would recommend following channels like modest mouse rather than alien ant farm but i idealistically believe that you'll get there regardless!

edit: whoops topics over sorry !!! DISREGARD MODERATOR PLEASE DELETE THISR POST !!!
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Post by: DS on July 29, 2008, 11:09:43 pm
Oh yeah, even if Fire Mage doesn't like The Clash now, that doesn't mean he can't ever like them. I think almost anyone can like them. There are so many genres and bands I originally did not enjoy but I grew to like them through repeated listens or other bands which were closer to my own taste but were also similar to the kind of music I wasn't accustomed to. But even though you can grow to like something you initially didn't, that doesn't mean it's going to be case with everything. Some music just doesn't click with some people. And for example, I think my musical taste is really broad and I listen to almost anything but even so, I still have my favorite bands and maybe even favorite genres, although I kinda have no idea what my favorite genre is right now. But for instance, I definitely listen to modern rock, electronica or metal more than I listen to, say, hip-hop, jazz or punk. I would be lying if I said I liked jazz or punk as much as rock. But I do listen to all that, some in smaller doses but I think there are artists I really like in almost all genres.

I started to a bit off-topic there but basically my point was that even though you have some genres or artists you might prefer over others, you can definitely like any kind of music because there's good music in all genres. So basically what idiotkid said. And besides, I think it's actually really interesting to keep listening different kind of artists even if it's completely different from what you usually listen to and just keep doing and discovering new muzaks then a year later you can think back how much your taste has changed and what kind of stuff you have started to get into.
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 29, 2008, 11:11:23 pm
edit: whoops topics over sorry !!! DISREGARD MODERATOR PLEASE DELETE THISR POST !!!
hahaha you know what i meant

but yeah thanks for all that. as i said modest mouse is pretty much my favorite over everything else anyway so yeah i'm not DIE-HARD NEW FOUND GLORY FAN or something...i'm pretty crazy for MM!
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Post by: mar77a on July 29, 2008, 11:18:01 pm
Oh yeah, even if Fire Mage doesn't like The Clash now, that doesn't mean he can't ever like them. I think almost anyone can like them. There are so many genres and bands I originally did not enjoy but I grew to like them through repeated listens or other bands which were closer to my own taste but were also similar to the kind of music I wasn't accustomed to. But even though you can grow to like something you initially didn't, that doesn't mean it's going to be case with everything. Some music just doesn't click with some people. And for example, I think my musical taste is really broad and I listen to almost anything but even so, I still have my favorite bands and maybe even favorite genres, although I kinda have no idea what my favorite genre is right now. But for instance, I definitely listen to modern rock, electronica or metal more than I listen to, say, hip-hop, jazz or punk. I would be lying if I said I liked jazz or punk as much as rock. But I do listen to all that, some in smaller doses but I think there are artists I really like in almost all genres.

I started to a bit off-topic there but basically my point was that even though you have some genres or artists you might prefer over others, you can definitely like any kind of music because there's good music in all genres. So basically what idiotkid said. And besides, I think it's actually really interesting to keep listening different kind of artists even if it's completely different from what you usually listen to and just keep doing and discovering new muzaks then a year later you can think back how much your taste has changed and what kind of stuff you have started to get into.

That's how he keeps getting everyone into PT (he got me I admit...)
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Post by: headphonics on July 30, 2008, 03:23:48 am
i was actually going to come home and make the post darkwhite made but since he is a thunder-stealing faggot i guess now i don't have to!  seriously though i like heckling a lot but it is not as if i do not understand this.  what i told darkwhite, specifically, was that i thought that for people like us and a lot of other people on gw, who spend a lot of their time listening to some pretty strange shit, other more casual music fans' tastes can often seem ridiculous.  like, it's easy for us to forget that four or five years ago, most of us were probably listening to shitty music, or at the very least stuff that is a lot more accessible than what we listen to now.

like, i call the clash accessible and catchy because they are, but this is coming from the perspective of a dude who is pretty into atypical rock bands, so even while saying it i can understand how someone would just find it difficult to get into.  i remember in 2001 or so, when i was about fifteen and the moon and antarctica had just recently come out, i tried listening to the stars are projectors and just... couldn't.  i didn't think it was bad and i knew it was PRETTY GOOD according to what everyone was telling me, but i couldn't get into it.  yet now it is like one of my favorite songs ever so you know, i don't really hold it again teenagers for having taste in music that isn't particularly refined or honed to the point where they can listen to/appreciate/enjoy any random rock band, no matter abrasive/inaccessible/out there it is.
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Post by: Doktormartini on July 30, 2008, 04:26:50 am
How are bands like Maroon 5 shit?  Granted I don't like them but does that make them shit?  What is shit about them (I am serious I want to know)?
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Post by: Ryan on July 30, 2008, 04:32:28 am
:words:

yeah after listening to things like NIANDRA LADES and aphex twin shit like foo fighters and maroon 5 and nickelback and stuff are just so formulaic and boring. when i was like 10 on the other hand this shit was da bomb to me because all i really looked for in music was catchy choruses
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Post by: Wash Cycle on July 30, 2008, 05:28:41 am
How are bands like Maroon 5 shit?  Granted I don't like them but does that make them shit?  What is shit about them (I am serious I want to know)?
actually of all the more recent pop-rock bands out there I find maroon 5 to be one of the most tolerable. granted this is if you ignore their music videos (which isn't hard to do really...) but yeah they're fun and upbeat and when they're not hey at least their singer has an interesting voice and there is some vocal harmony stuff that you dont see as often.

they're not great but I certainly dont think they are terrible. I'd much rather hear them than say... Puddle of Mudd for instance

I swear if I hear that fucking schizophrenic psyhco song one more time I will burst
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Post by: Fire Mage on July 30, 2008, 03:32:04 pm
yeah after listening to things like NIANDRA LADES and aphex twin shit like foo fighters and maroon 5 and nickelback and stuff are just so formulaic and boring. when i was like 10 on the other hand this shit was da bomb to me because all i really looked for in music was catchy choruses
i don't listen to nickelback!!

but yeah the zoo had that whole john frusciante thing going on a while ago and when i tried it i just couldn't jump into it. some was okay but i couldn't just get into it at that moment. i'll probably get more adjusted to his music someday but not know.
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Post by: ATARI on July 30, 2008, 03:59:39 pm
wc and maroon 5 sitting in a tree 

k-i-s-s-i-n-g