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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/2470310/Sexual-harrassment-okay-as-it-ensures-humans-breed,-Russian-judge-rules.html
A Russian advertising executive who sued her boss for sexual harassment lost her case after a judge ruled that employers were obliged to make passes at female staff to ensure the survival of the human race.
By Adrian Blomfield in Moscow
Last Updated: 1:12PM BST 30 Jul 2008
The unnamed executive, a 22-year-old from St Petersburg, had been hoping to become only the third woman in Russia's history to bring a successful sexual harassment action against a male employer.
She alleged she had been locked out of her office after she refused to have intimate relations with her 47-year-old boss.
"He always demanded that female workers signalled to him with their eyes that they desperately wanted to be laid on the boardroom table as soon as he gave the word," she earlier told the court. "I didn't realise at first that he wasn't speaking metaphorically."
The judge said he threw out the case not through lack of evidence but because the employer had acted gallantly rather than criminally.
"If we had no sexual harassment we would have no children," the judge ruled.
Since Soviet times, sexual harassment in Russia has become an accepted part of life in the office, work place and university lecture room.
According to a recent survey, 100 per cent of female professionals said they had been subjected to sexual harassment by their bosses, 32 per cent said they had had intercourse with them at least once and another seven per cent claimed to have been raped.
Eighty per cent of those who participated in the survey said they did not believe it possible to win promotion without engaging in sexual relations with their male superiors.
Women also report that it is common to be browbeaten into sex during job interviews, while female students regularly complain that university professors trade high marks for sexual favours.
Only two women have won sexual harassment cases since the collapse of the Soviet Union, one in 1993 and the other in 1997.
Human rights activists say that Russian women remain second-class citizens and are subjected to some of the highest levels of domestic abuse in the world.
Oh russia... having lived there and going into some businesses I can DEFINITELY see how sexual harrasment is prevalent, but I definitely didn't think ONE HUNDRED percent of women had it occur to them. Anyway, it's pretty common for russian women to wear some...questionable outfits to work such as mini skirts and heels. actually, if you walk down the street, nearly all women (including girls that are like 13 and older) are already all wearing heels and a lot of them dress really provocitively. on that note, fuck this I'm moving back!
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This is really awful and emblematic of how incredibly terrible everything about Russia is.
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...Wow, just wow. It's things like this that make you want to start studying foreign laws.
The woman should pull out a population crisis card when bullshit excuses like that are used.
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I don't think that's even the worst of it, though. Domestic abuse is a huge problem over there, and I think Amnesty International or whoever went through police reports and worked out that one woman is beaten to death by her spouse/lover/ex-lover every 40 minutes. I mean, I hope that's an exaggeration, but even if it is it's still pretty horrific.
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Gah this shit is fucked up. Even though it's become a way of life for the Russians (I guess I could put it that way), it's pretty bad.
nearly all women (including girls that are like 13 and older) are already all wearing heels and a lot of them dress really provocitively. on that note, fuck this I'm moving back!
You have increased my incentive to travel to Russia for a few weeks.
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jesus christ this is almost as bad as the philippines (until recently rape victims over there were classified as rapeable or not). for being such a MODERN nation their government and quality of life is pretty horrible.
Oh russia... having lived there and going into some businesses I can DEFINITELY see how sexual harrasment is prevalent, but I definitely didn't think ONE HUNDRED percent of women had it occur to them. Anyway, it's pretty common for russian women to wear some...questionable outfits to work such as mini skirts and heels. actually, if you walk down the street, nearly all women (including girls that are like 13 and older) are already all wearing heels and a lot of them dress really provocitively.
I hope you're not implying it's their fault!
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Yes that's what it seemed like he was implying.
Maks me want to go to russia :Giggity:
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Jesus man, it was actually hard to even believe that article was true because that's just fucking ridiculous.
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This is really bad and I feel for the family of the victim.
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I hope you're not implying it's their fault!
Not at all. I'm not one of those "WOMEN ARE ASKING FOR RAPE BECAUSE OF THE WAY THEY DRESS", that's fucking stupid. I'm just...laying some extra info some people may not know? I thought it'd be interesting for people to compare the cultures.
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doesn't russia also have a horrendous birthrate problem? obviously not defending this in any capacity. just thought maybe this is one of the reasons for their twisted logic on this.
solution to low birth rates: rape more women seem like maybe good idea??
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Russia's birthrate is so low that Putin's government recently hosted a nationalist youth conference and visitors were encouraged to sleep together and were not given condoms. They also held a contest in which any baby born on the date of the Russian Revolution would be eligible for a free SUV.
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they could solve the low birthrate by Importing some Chinese people; that'd solve it really fast.
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I don't care what the reason, this is ridiculous. Arias is partly right though. Open those boarders wide, and let immigration repopulate. It's working for Canada.
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yeah I read an article a looong time ago that talked about how Russian young adults don't wanna have kids, they just wanna party and Have Fun :P kinda like a lot of places in Europe.
btw here are some interesting WORLD RANKING MAPS
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_in_the_World_(report)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_Perceptions_Index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Peace_Index
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality-of-life_index
Russia does pretty poorly in everthing pertaining to democracy, equality etc
I don't care what the reason, this is ridiculous. Arias is partly right though. Open those boarders wide, and let immigration repopulate. It's working for Canada.
yeah but why would anyone want to move there
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this is so bad. i hate russia.
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yeah but why would anyone want to move there
Uh, so they can... be... sexually harrassed at work.
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solution to low birth rates: rape more women seem like maybe good idea??
Weeee-ell, this certainly sounds like a russian way to solve a problem.
I mean, don't want a rain to happen during your party? Solution: pour cement to the rain clouds.
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Russians are fucking crazy, seriously.
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While I agree that many things that Russia does are fked up.
Russians are fucking crazy, seriously.
I still take offense to that..
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Everything went down hill when Lenin died, I mean if he didn't die so shortly Russia would be a very different place then it is now, or atleast someone who knew that theres no true democracy or communism that'd ever be successful would keep his policies.
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If we had no sexual harassment we would have no children
If we had no sexual harassment we would have no children
This article has made me reflect upon the preconceived notions that used to guide me in life and throw them all away.
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Russia sucks. It's an awful country. Did anyone see that video of one of the Russian ministers HEADBUTTING another minister in parliament a couple years back? It's such a horrendously corrupt superpower and nobody seems to call them on their shit. It's like, as soon as the Soviets were out they were our buddies!!!! What kind of shitty low-bred barbarians have a parliament that is constantly degenerating into fistfights? Way to be political you fucking cavemen.
Like 90% of computer viruses come from Russia (this is based on no facts whatsoever but it sounds right) and it is pretty much just a haven for horrible things to happen. They also export organized criminals at a rate that just can't be beat!
We are constantly ribbing one of my best friends for being from SOVIET UNION and he is constantly telling us how horrible it was there and how poorly his mother was treated and how bad everything was in Moscow. He is a pretty zany guy but he is a fundamentally really good person (and his mom and grandma are ridiculously nice to us) so I am pretty sure it is not anything but a travesty of a culture that keeps their crime rate so high!
Honestly pretty much what I am trying to say is Russians are just as good or bad as everyone else but Russia the country is a giant field of dongs and ruins its own people with it's awful culture.
edit: OBVIOUSLY this doesn't apply to every Russian in Russia or from Russia but that isn't due to any lack of effort on the part of the Russia government!
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that was one of the most chauvinistic posts i have ever seen in this forum
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heh ever heard about them black jungle bunnies...............thereculture of rape and violence
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While I agree that many things that Russia does are fked up.
I still take offense to that..
Well I guess Eastern Europeans in general but still.
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Russia sucks. It's an awful country. Did anyone see that video of one of the Russian ministers HEADBUTTING another minister in parliament a couple years back? It's such a horrendously corrupt superpower and nobody seems to call them on their shit. It's like, as soon as the Soviets were out they were our buddies!!!! What kind of shitty low-bred barbarians have a parliament that is constantly degenerating into fistfights? Way to be political you fucking cavemen.
Like 90% of computer viruses come from Russia (this is based on no facts whatsoever but it sounds right) and it is pretty much just a haven for horrible things to happen. They also export organized criminals at a rate that just can't be beat!
We are constantly ribbing one of my best friends for being from SOVIET UNION and he is constantly telling us how horrible it was there and how poorly his mother was treated and how bad everything was in Moscow. He is a pretty zany guy but he is a fundamentally really good person (and his mom and grandma are ridiculously nice to us) so I am pretty sure it is not anything but a travesty of a culture that keeps their crime rate so high!
Honestly pretty much what I am trying to say is Russians are just as good or bad as everyone else but Russia the country is a giant field of dongs and ruins its own people with it's awful culture.
edit: OBVIOUSLY this doesn't apply to every Russian in Russia or from Russia but that isn't due to any lack of effort on the part of the Russia government!
people seriously think it's ok to say this shit, probably because THEYRE JUS WHITE. fucking slavs......scum of the earth
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i dont get this whole animosity to russians. seriously, it is a fucked up country but thats because it is third world and the third world is really fiucked up. its not useful to measure those countries under first world standards. in my country i have seen brawls in parliament too -- its a rpetty usual thing. jesus some of you are really ignorant, and i get the feeling this whole anti-russian shit has more to do with russia being heh enemy of the west than anything else.
but hey............................they are low-bred barbarians. if i were a moderator i would suspend someone for posting shit like that.
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i don't think you've got much ground to stand on defending this, marmot. your point is pretty condescending and hypocritical, you know!
russia's status as third or first world - whatever you're gonna classify it - standards for the decent treatment of human beings are universal. sexual harassment is one of those things that we can all agree stinks, regardless of where it happens. if you are going to say that we should judge cultures, countries and people on some standard we have set for them which is lower than our own, then we're saying that we're better than them and that you've got to let the barbarians do what they do. that's no use, and an attitude like that is not going to help anybody. it's cynical and prejudiced.
i don't think there is actually any of this western anti-soviet hatred towards russia in this topic. nobody here remembers the cold war. i just don't get that vibe. although, people have been saying "i hate russia", like me! i wasn't really being serious, but what i mean by that is the people who head up the power structures, who dominate the culture and encourage this kind of stuff. that's what russia is. it's easy to get that mixed up with russian people and turn it into prejudice, and there is some of that in this topic with kaempfer, but your politics are making you too eager to jump to conclusions about western pride.
i will say that with all the stuff that has been going on with russia recently, people get dramatic and extrapolate wildly about things. it's happened with islam, everyone hates is and is terrified of it now, and it could happen with russian people just as easily. some people just don't separate political entities from the people under their control, and some people lump many groups of people together so they don't have to think about things anymore.
so yeah, there are some concerns but you really just sound like you've got a chip on your shoulder.
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people seriously think it's ok to say this shit, probably because THEYRE JUS WHITE. fucking slavs......scum of the earth
Fuck that, Russian political culture is stupid.
I didn't say Russians were jus fucken slavs, I said that the culture doesn't seem to have any desire to control the absolutely ridiculous things that the politicians who are in the public eye ALL THE TIME are doing.
I draw a pretty strong line between people who happen to be of a certain race and people who embrace shitty cultural norms. If some guy told me he was Russian I wouldn't be like "oh no a slav better run for the hills"! I wouldn't even care! But when a judge rules that sexual harassment in the workplace is necessary and he isn't immediately removed from office I think I am pretty well grounded in saying that Russian culture is fucked up.
but hey............................they are low-bred barbarians. if i were a moderator i would suspend someone for posting shit like that.
I can understand how you thought I meant "Russians" but I meant "Russian politicians" so sorry for that!
My point is that the Russian government is filled with assholes who are dictating social maxims from on high to a people who have little choice in whether or not they are following them!
I didn't even realize you meant me when you said that my post was chauvinistic because a) I thought it meant something else (I'm a dummy) and b) I didn't realize how stupid the post sounded at the time!
However having looked it up my post wasn't chauvinistic at all unless you consider not treating women as badly as possible as something I am blindly defending (I am not American or especially pro-West!). Also I don't consider Russia the third world.
Also here is an interesting tale: My Russian pal kept in contact with a female friend of his from the old country for a long time after he left, and eventually she got pregnant because some guy convinced her (forcefully) to have sex without a condom! He of course ran off, and she wanted to have an abortion (being 18 and without any decent income or means), but her family threatened to disown her if she got one and her community had no real means to provide one (she lived in Moscow!), so she didn't. 9 months later a baby popped out, and suddenly her family (and entire community) ostracized her for being a single mother (because they all considered her a whore at that point). She had to move because there was so much public ridicule and disdain for her, and they lost touch. That is such a depressing story it hurts, and if you are honestly trying to defend a culture (this wasn't some rural town in Siberia, I'd say Moscow is a pretty good indicator of Russian culture) that punishes a girl for even considering having an abortion and then punishes her further when she carries the baby to term and tries to take care of it as best she can then you are a pretty stupid guy. I'm aware that single events aren't indicative of an entire culture, but this is horrible.
edit: jesus christ that last post was bad! Sorry I was just angry at all the gross injustice =(
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I'm just tossing my two cents in, but I went to high school with a lot of people that were either of Russian descent, been to Russia, or lived in Russia, and almost every single one of them regarded Russia itself as incredibly shitty and they couldn't wait to leave whenever they stepped foot over there.
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fuck russia i hate rusia and everbody in russia
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i don't think you've got much ground to stand on defending this, marmot. your point is pretty condescending and hypocritical, you know!
russia's status as third or first world - whatever you're gonna classify it - standards for the decent treatment of human beings are universal. sexual harassment is one of those things that we can all agree stinks, regardless of where it happens. if you are going to say that we should judge cultures, countries and people on some standard we have set for them which is lower than our own, then we're saying that we're better than them and that you've got to let the barbarians do what they do. that's no use, and an attitude like that is not going to help anybody. it's cynical and prejudiced.
i don't think there is actually any of this western anti-soviet hatred towards russia in this topic. nobody here remembers the cold war. i just don't get that vibe. although, people have been saying "i hate russia", like me! i wasn't really being serious, but what i mean by that is the people who head up the power structures, who dominate the culture and encourage this kind of stuff. that's what russia is. it's easy to get that mixed up with russian people and turn it into prejudice, and there is some of that in this topic with kaempfer, but your politics are making you too eager to jump to conclusions about western pride.
i will say that with all the stuff that has been going on with russia recently, people get dramatic and extrapolate wildly about things. it's happened with islam, everyone hates is and is terrified of it now, and it could happen with russian people just as easily. some people just don't separate political entities from the people under their control, and some people lump many groups of people together so they don't have to think about things anymore.
so yeah, there are some concerns but you really just sound like you've got a chip on your shoulder.
actually, i wasnt criticizing the thread. i was criticizing kaempfer's post which was really bad. notice i wasnt criticizing the thread starter. i do honestly think there is anti-russian and anti-chinese sentiment in the us, and its pretty evident. just see the thread about the whole fiasco involving georgia and russia. it has nothing to do with anti-soviet sentiments, because the russian political and economic structure today is quite different to the soviet one. it has to do with the fact that there is a new "cold war" between the west and russia and there is a whole media campaign against russia. i am an immigrant in the us, and i seriously dont have anything against americans. my politics aren't like that because i am an internationalist, and i dont see the world as a battle between flags and that some flags represent worse things than the other. i think the world is divided into classes and there is a difference between an american worker and an american boss. it has nothing to do about "western pride", it has to do with the fact that nationalist and mediatic artillery are pointed at russia.
and to people that say that most russians would rather live in the us than in their own country - its fucking obvious. everybody in the third world would rather live in the first world - its common sense. i
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In Soviet Russia, sexual harassment claims YOU!