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Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Evangel on August 18, 2008, 02:01:34 pm: http://kotaku.com/5037984/nearly-150-screenshots-of-fallout-3-leaked

I'm still browsing through them, and so far I am impressed. Despite the entire perspective change, it appears they're really captured the bleak atmosphere of the first two games. Checking out the dialouge, it seems they've maintained some of the madcap writing that was so iconic to the first games.

My only qualms so far (aside from the most-likely bastardized combat system) is that it looks like there is a little hand-holding going on with the beginning of the game, which pisses me off. I guess its to be expected with gamers nowadays, people just can't be assed to crack open an instruction manual.

So what does everyone think?
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: jamie on August 18, 2008, 02:42:15 pm: yeah this really looks a lot like oblivion now. i'm all right with that, i liked the way oblivion played just fine. it was just the inane fantasy stuff i didn't like, and this doesn't look like it will have as much of that kind of problem. i can't really tell what the dialogue will be like yet (i've only looked at a couple dozen screens), but it looks more interesting just by virtue of not being fantasy, cos it's really easy to make that awful and it's hard to make post-apocalypse boring. the characters are also a lot better looking than they were in oblivion.

anyway from the looks of the it the gameplay won't be anything new but that was never why i was interested in this. i'm gonna go look at some more of the screens now.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: thejackyl on August 18, 2008, 03:30:28 pm: The screen shots look pretty good. The people's faces still look a bit "Oblivion-ish-y" but massively improved (hopefully they don't/didn't make the bad decision to make everyone look/sound the same like in Oblivion.

Either way I'm looking forward to this. There's just one thing I'd like to know. How are they implementing real-time targeting with the VATS targeting. They'll need a way to balance that, imo.

Also, Perks at level 2? Does this mean perks every level, other level, or something else?

Either way I am looking forward to this... it's one of the reasons I bought a new PC (that and my old one can't run new games on Medium without stuttering.)
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Post by: ATARI on August 18, 2008, 04:13:22 pm: Yeah I agree once more with the oblivion looking sort of style of the game, but I don't have any qualms with that. I've been looking forward to this game for quite a while now, and this is making it look more and more appealing once more
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on August 18, 2008, 04:19:26 pm: Oh god, I bet the NMA guys are killing themselves en masse over this.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 18, 2008, 06:29:48 pm: Quote
Either way I'm looking forward to this. There's just one thing I'd like to know. How are they implementing real-time targeting with the VATS targeting. They'll need a way to balance that, imo.

Also, Perks at level 2? Does this mean perks every level, other level, or something else?

VATS pauses the game in slow motion. It drains from a meter and the more you use it the lower your accuracy drops until you rest.

Also perks are obtained at every level. This was announced a long time ago but the developer said they directly affect the game unlike the originals which had a handful of useless perks and the rest were completely throw away (Kama Sutra master alright!)

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Oh god, I bet the NMA guys are killing themselves en masse over this.

I don't think I've seen a topic regarding this yet.

(http://kotaku.com/assets/images/gallery/9/2008/08/medium_2770410047_d8ea7c7ae3_o.jpg)

my favorite screen right here
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Post by: local_dunce on August 18, 2008, 08:33:22 pm: I think it LOOKS nice. I think it's pretty confirmed already it's just oblivion with guns but the thing I am most pissed about is that the dialogue looks godawful.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: cowardknower on August 18, 2008, 08:40:29 pm: Quote from: TREG on August 18, 2008, 04:19:26 pm
Oh god, I bet the NMA guys are killing themselves en masse over this.

Yes. They are.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: headphonics on August 18, 2008, 08:53:39 pm: Quote from: Jet Son on August 18, 2008, 08:33:22 pm
I think it LOOKS nice. I think it's pretty confirmed already it's just oblivion with guns but the thing I am most pissed about is that the dialogue looks godawful.
well idk. like the dialogue does look godawful but it's to the point of almost seeming not serious/tongue-in-cheek, which is infinitely more acceptable than just being earnest and actually bad. anyway like many others have said i am totally okay with this not being like the previous fallouts since i enjoyed dicking around in oblivion and would like it a lot more outside of a high fantasy setting, and did not particularly enjoy the type of game fallout 1 and 2 were with the whole tedious turn-based combat and mouse-based movement thing.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 18, 2008, 09:14:37 pm: Quote from: Jet Son on August 18, 2008, 08:33:22 pm
I think it LOOKS nice. I think it's pretty confirmed already it's just oblivion with guns but the thing I am most pissed about is that the dialogue looks godawful.

Maybe my standards are lower or something but the little bit of dialog there doesn't seem bad at all. I'm not expecting shakespeare to spew from the mouths of every deadbeat layman you find in the post-nuclear America of tomorrow and things seem to be pretty short and simple which is what I expect. It's probably a lot different hearing the dialog than actually reading it but when you think about the pre-2000 BioWare games like Baldur's Gate the dialog is all really long and dry. Don't get me started on Planescape Torment which is one of my favorite games but every idiot, thug, and prostitute spoke like they had 10 years experience in theater with a masters in literature.

Also, and I point this out to pretty much everyone, Fallout's dialog felt like it was written by a highschooler and this isn't necessarily bad considering it's a world full of lowlifes and uneducated curs. Outside of the 40 or so NPCs that actually spoke to you in length, the regulars had nothing interesting to say at all. People make fun of one of Oblivion's dialog options ("I saw a mudcrab the other day") and I could swear on my life that one of the random quips in Fallout is "I saw a radscorpion THIS big..."
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: HL on August 18, 2008, 09:16:24 pm: HJey now, all those thugs did have 10 years of experience in theater and had masters in lit, ok!

This looks pretty damn nice.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 18, 2008, 09:21:55 pm: I think it was Arcanum that had a thug named something-the-witless who graduated from some academy and spat out these big words I had to bust out a dictionary to understand.

I just hope the humor in this game isn't as immature as Fallout 2 which took things pretty far (getting raped by a mutant who leaves a ball gag in your inventory, ew). Already I can see a stat that says "corpses eaten."
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: local_dunce on August 18, 2008, 09:34:11 pm: Quote from: Marcus on August 18, 2008, 09:21:55 pm
I think it was Arcanum that had a thug named something-the-witless who graduated from some academy and spat out these big words I had to bust out a dictionary to understand.

I just hope the humor in this game isn't as immature as Fallout 2 which took things pretty far (getting raped by a mutant who leaves a ball gag in your inventory, ew). Already I can see a stat that says "corpses eaten."

Lukan the Witless, and the joke is that the words he is using don't make sense in the context he is using them in. A lot of the words are made up and he muddles up words thinking he is some kind of genius. It's actually quite funny. And on a whole the dialogue in Arcanum is awesome.
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Post by: headphonics on August 18, 2008, 09:49:26 pm: marcus do you really think the dialogue is good, man? like some of the options for what your dude can say are terrible.

http://kotaku.com/photogallery/fallout3aug17/1003205274

like, seriously. it's not good, but i kind of think it is intentional. like, campy.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 18, 2008, 10:17:48 pm: I'm saying I couldn't think of a way to rewrite it without completely destroying the feeling of basically being in the wild west (albeit a destroyed one).

The options in that picture you posted accurately mimic some of the actual choices you're given in Fallout (I'm 100% positive one of the quests can actually end with you saying "Die, asshole" and in Junktown you can make stupid comments about that fat guy regarding his "rolls" quite similar to making fun of the Sheriff's hat in that picture).

I mean "Can't tell the difference between me and a feral? Fine, I'll show you the goddamn difference! Just you wait! You'll get yours! ALL OF YOU!" sounds like something a pissed off burn victim would say to me if I were to suddenly make fun of his condition. I'd probably reply with "Yeah, whatever buddy" and if that in turn makes bad dialog then I don't know what to say.

To sum up my argument, it sounds natural. Quick, snappy, and surly. I don't expect anything else from a game that takes place in a shithole.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: headphonics on August 18, 2008, 10:30:39 pm: oh. well i do not think it sounds natural at all so i guess we just........disagree
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on August 18, 2008, 10:37:19 pm: Quote from: headphonics on August 18, 2008, 09:49:26 pm
http://kotaku.com/photogallery/fallout3aug17/1003205274

its bort...
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 18, 2008, 10:42:09 pm: Quote from: headphonics on August 18, 2008, 10:30:39 pm
oh. well i do not think it sounds natural at all so i guess we just........disagree

1. I don't like the cut of your jib, sir!
2. Fag.
3. Yeah, alright. <---
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: headphonics on August 18, 2008, 10:42:46 pm: idont get it
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Rowain on August 19, 2008, 12:55:37 am: Looks pretty good. I also get the feeling the dialogue is sort of intentionally campy. If that's not the case, then it's pretty silly. All the same, the gameplay shots look pretty swell.

Of course, as its been said, this will do NOTHING to help those people crying bloody freaking murder over Bethesda and their new direction for the Fallout franchise. Yes, it's Oblivion with guns, time to deal folks!
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on August 19, 2008, 02:04:23 am: Quote from: Pidgeotto221 on August 18, 2008, 10:37:19 pm
its bort...

wait what the hell this post makes no sense.

I was referring to how it looked similar to the country/rock and roll bort pic but its a black guy and I knew this and yet...still I posted...
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: headphonics on August 19, 2008, 02:55:07 am: when is this shit coming out again

maybe it will scratch my post-apocalyptic FIND FOOD//SHELTER//SURVIVE itch
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 19, 2008, 03:54:06 am: Quote from: headphonics on August 19, 2008, 02:55:07 am
when is this shit coming out again

maybe it will scratch my post-apocalyptic FIND FOOD//SHELTER//SURVIVE itch

rumors say mid october. the game is finished they just have to start packaging/shipping plans/advertising.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Evangel on August 19, 2008, 04:49:31 am: My love of Fallout dialogue was just the dark hunmor and carelessness of everyone. I mean, you'd shoot a dude in the face and he'd say "Ow, that was my head, asshole!" like it was nothing. And then there were crazy-asses and people so calloused by their world, it was pure insanity. That's what I'm looking for.

I hope this game gets released on my birthday.... mid-October...
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 19, 2008, 05:06:03 am: MY GOD
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/26699/fallout.gif)
FALLOUT
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/26699/fallout2.jpg)
BEST DIALOG EVER (THE CHOICES! THE CHOICES!!)
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Post by: headphonics on August 19, 2008, 05:12:58 am: hmmm that looks awfully bearable

is that the first or second one
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 19, 2008, 05:24:13 am: second. you can tell by the liberal use of profanity
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Shinan on August 19, 2008, 06:03:03 am: The thing that bugs me about the dialogue screens is that there doesn't seem to be room for more than three dialogue options and that one of them is usually "thxbye", does that mean that nearly every dialogue will only have two "real" choices? To me that seems a bit limiting.

The text also seems huge. For a short sentence, that short sentence takes up an awful lot of space...
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Dead Phoenix on August 19, 2008, 06:09:25 am: Quote from: Shinan on August 19, 2008, 06:03:03 am
The thing that bugs me about the dialogue screens is that there doesn't seem to be room for more than three dialogue options and that one of them is usually "thxbye", does that mean that nearly every dialogue will only have two "real" choices? To me that seems a bit limiting.

The text also seems huge. For a short sentence, that short sentence takes up an awful lot of space...
there are up and down arrows on some of them and the large text is probably because its the 360 version, it'll hopefully be smaller on the pc version
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Post by: Sludgelord on August 19, 2008, 06:24:37 am: that dialogue is pretty bad.

- jerry seinfeld
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Post by: Shinan on August 19, 2008, 07:15:48 am: Quote from: Marcus on August 18, 2008, 06:29:48 pm
Hidden content (Click to reveal)
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my favorite screen right here
(http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/1930/snipahls5.jpg)
I prefer this one because it has godzilla.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Evangel on August 19, 2008, 08:27:55 pm: Quote from: Marcus on August 19, 2008, 05:06:03 am

BEST DIALOG EVER (THE CHOICES! THE CHOICES!!)

Not an awesome example of dialog choices there. It should be noted, however, that depending on your charisma, intelligence, and speech skills, new options would open up to you. Basically, if your guy was a dimwit, he'd pretty much be limited to "DUHH...", one word answers, and the occasional threats of violence. I think if your intelligence was below a certain point, he could do no more than grunt like a retard.
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Post by: Marcus on August 19, 2008, 10:38:19 pm: *nerd voice* Actually your attributes had very little effect on the dialog whereas your skills had the most influence. A low intelligence essentially cut you off from pretty much every quest. A charisma and intelligence modified your speech and science skills which is what influenced options. Science was necessary for a handful of quests (like teaching Shady Sands crop rotation) but speech was the #1 skill for influencing people.

I think Fallout Tactics actually made more use of charisma by giving an experience boost and allowing you to have more members in your group. Karma did absolutely nothing and I don't even know why it was in the game. It's been confirmed that there are 2 perks in Fallout 3 that add extra dialog options (lady killer for men and the opposite for women both of which add seduction for the opposite sex).
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Post by: Dead Phoenix on August 20, 2008, 12:07:03 am: Quote from: Marcus on August 19, 2008, 10:38:19 pm
I think Fallout Tactics actually made more use of charisma by giving an experience boost and allowing you to have more members in your group. Karma did absolutely nothing and I don't even know why it was in the game. It's been confirmed that there are 2 perks in Fallout 3 that add extra dialog options (lady killer for men and the opposite for women both of which add seduction for the opposite sex).
i never noticed an xp boost from charisma in FOT, and i know you can have the max number of members with 1 charisma(FO1/2 had party member limits affected by your charisma though), the only thing i know of that charisma affected is how fast your rank went up giving you more choices for party members(personally i just stuck with my starting group since i had already leveled them myself) and probably the barter skill.

also the women version of the skill is called black widow and they both also add damage done to the opposite sex(and i've seen nothing that says it add seduction, just more dialog options)
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Post by: Hundley on August 20, 2008, 01:30:43 am: Quote from: Jet Son on August 18, 2008, 08:33:22 pm
I think it LOOKS nice. I think it's pretty confirmed already it's just oblivion with guns but the thing I am most pissed about is that the dialogue looks godawful.
THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE

and they blew it
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Post by: Evangel on August 21, 2008, 02:47:28 am: I think it's pretty unrealistic to imagine that they would continue the gameplay of the original, especially considering the whole Oblivion revolution. I mean, damn, everyone's played that, even my friends who'd never touched an RPG in their life. As cool as it would be for a recreation of "the authentic turn-based roleplaying experience," more people are going to buy into WHOA ITS LIKE HALO (WAIT, WHATS A "LEVEL UP"?).

At least they've implemented the targetting system. I'm kind of confused on how exactly this is supposed to play out. People keep saying this game is real-time combat, yet I keep seeing screens of body part selection and an AP meter. Wish I could see gameplay footage...

In any case, it seems Black Isle has mastered the art of making RPGs accessible to most of the American public, so I'm sure this will be a pretty major release.
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Post by: local_dunce on August 21, 2008, 03:01:12 am: Quote from: Hundley on August 20, 2008, 01:30:43 am
THEY HAD THEIR CHANCE

and they blew it

It took me a minute to realise what you meant by this but man, I read that shit and I honestly I think I agree with you. Especially after seeing this. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking when they passed that up for whatever this shit is. "HEH, GONNA KILL YOU FOR YOUR HAT BLACK MAN."
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Post by: headphonics on August 21, 2008, 05:39:28 am: Quote from: Jet Son on August 21, 2008, 03:01:12 am
It took me a minute to realise what you meant by this but man, I read that shit and I honestly I think I agree with you. Especially after seeing this. I don't know what the fuck they were thinking when they passed that up for whatever this shit is. "HEH, GONNA KILL YOU FOR YOUR HAT BLACK MAN."
what are you guys talking about
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Post by: Ax_Dude on August 21, 2008, 06:36:04 am: I dont care what you guys think about the dialouge. Im still gonna kill that guy for his hat.
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Post by: Marcus on August 21, 2008, 06:59:38 am: Quote
also the women version of the skill is called black widow and they both also add damage done to the opposite sex(and i've seen nothing that says it add seduction, just more dialog options)

Considering a high speech let you sleep with members of the opposite sex/donate your sperm I'll eat my hat if the two perks don't add some sort of sex related speech. I mean, Lady Killer has to have another meaning other than the misogynistic DEAL MORE DAMAGE TO WOMENZ

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I dont care what you guys think about the dialouge. Im still gonna kill that guy for his hat.

the developer/loudmouth that hypes this game as awesome first person shootan said you can literally steal his hat.

he also said somewhere in the massive amount of interviews i read that one of the playtesters beat the game with only killing a single radroach.
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Post by: Evangel on August 21, 2008, 07:09:26 am: Quote from: Marcus on August 21, 2008, 06:59:38 am
he also said somewhere in the massive amount of interviews i read that one of the playtesters beat the game with only killing a single radroach.

The option to beat the game as a pacifist is always interesting. This definitely was not possible in Oblivion (to my knowledge).
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Post by: The Dude on August 21, 2008, 07:47:53 am: Nah, there's so many missions dedicated to "kill this guy and get a key/item"
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Post by: Ax_Dude on August 21, 2008, 10:19:12 am: Quote from: Marcus on August 21, 2008, 06:59:38 am
the developer/loudmouth that hypes this game as awesome first person shootan said you can literally steal his hat.

he also said somewhere in the massive amount of interviews i read that one of the playtesters beat the game with only killing a single radroach.

i will only kill people with hats. ONLY! then steal them
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Post by: local_dunce on August 21, 2008, 10:25:32 am: Quote from: headphonics on August 21, 2008, 05:39:28 am
what are you guys talking about

if we wanted you to know do you think we would be so vague about it?

jesus panda. :fogethuh:
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Post by: headphonics on August 22, 2008, 05:16:43 am: sorry...did'nt mean to pry :/
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Post by: Rye Bread on August 22, 2008, 05:36:08 am: no seriously what are you guys talking about
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Post by: thejackyl on August 23, 2008, 06:57:26 pm: More hype for FO3. Sounds interesting, however this article sparked some talk about FO3 not following the lore of 1 and 2. (on the Gamefaqs boards)

http://gamesblog.ugo.com/index.php/gamesblog/more/fallout_3_vault_106_walkthrough/
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Post by: Marcus on August 23, 2008, 08:26:19 pm: Quote
A random encounter with an empty house had a trap, a shotgun that was connected to the door, so when you open the door you get shot with it.

From a brazilian preview. Random traps? Yes please.
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Post by: Beasley on August 23, 2008, 08:46:01 pm: Quote from: Marcus on August 23, 2008, 08:26:19 pm
From a brazilian preview. Random traps? Yes please.

these sounded cool in oblivion too and then it turned out to just be like 3 different traps with different spins in 80 million of (essentially) the same dungeons
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Post by: Marcus on August 23, 2008, 09:28:09 pm: I had fun with traps in Oblivion. I'd shoot a dude with an arrow and wait until he came running at me, hit a tripwire and killed himself. If there are things like landmines in Oblivion then I'll gladly take the time to lead some baddies to run over them.
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Post by: Fire Mage on August 24, 2008, 04:07:18 am: Quote from: Marcus on August 23, 2008, 09:28:09 pm
I had fun with traps in Oblivion. I'd shoot a dude with an arrow and wait until he came running at me, hit a tripwire and killed himself. If there are things like landmines in Oblivion then I'll gladly take the time to lead some baddies to run over them.
haha you mean landmines in Fallout right?

see you can't even tell the difference :(

but idk this looks alright and hopefully it's tongue-in-cheek. i'll end up getting it most likely. that article about vault 106 a couple posts up is pretty cool though, sounds really interesting.
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Post by: Marcus on August 24, 2008, 06:58:51 am: Another article of a guy playing the game said he "acquired" a house with a robot butler (customize your characters past their original appearance yay) and after accidentally attacking it it chased him out of town with a flamethrower. Other NPCs will ease off if you yield like in Oblivion but apparently "mindless" enemies like robots and animals will chase you.

I don't know, I just got the humorous image of HELPeR from Venture Bros. in my mind going berserk and launching fireballs everywhere.
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Post by: Eltee on August 24, 2008, 02:02:28 pm: I prefer the idea of Mr.Butlertron shooting fireballs and rockets.

wwwesley
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Post by: headphonics on August 25, 2008, 08:21:15 pm: hey does anyone know if i should wait for the pc version? morrowind and oblivion were infinitely better on the pc since they came with a bunch of stupid design flaws that modders fixed, and in general there were a lot of neat little things you could change that you couldn't do on the console version, and since this is like OBLIVION WITH GUNS it would follow that this would also be a lot better to own on the pc, although i don't know if they're building it for modders the same way they did with morrowind and oblivion.
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Post by: local_dunce on August 25, 2008, 08:23:46 pm: fuck bethesda

I just read an interview with Mark Morgan... Turns out Bethesda didn't even approach him to do the soundtrack. They are happy to let INON ZUR, THE POWER RANGERS GUY or whatever do the soundtrack but MARK MORGAN NO LET'S NOT EVEN ASK HIM even though he is publically expressing interest in doing it.
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Post by: Dead Phoenix on August 25, 2008, 08:25:29 pm: this game will not come with an editor like Morrowind and Oblivion did, though they said they hope to release it later. so it may be a while before any mods come out(more so if they end up never releasing the editor)

Jet son: anyone involved in making the old games, that wanted to be involve in the making of this game, was turned down
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Post by: Feldschlacht IV on August 25, 2008, 08:43:09 pm: Quote from: Marcus on August 24, 2008, 06:58:51 am
I don't know, I just got the humorous image of HELPeR from Venture Bros. in my mind going berserk and launching fireballs everywhere.

holy fuck i had the exact same thought
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Post by: local_dunce on August 26, 2008, 10:31:08 am: Quote from: Dead Phoenix on August 25, 2008, 08:25:29 pm
Jet son: anyone involved in making the old games, that wanted to be involve in the making of this game, was turned down

this is completely false because inon zur did the soundtrack for fallout tactics and they're bringing him back to do fallout 3, but why they didn't pick mark morgan who knows!?
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Post by: Dead Phoenix on August 26, 2008, 11:04:59 am: well i was mainly referring to people who worked on 1 and 2, though i was not aware that they picked up that guy from tactics.
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Post by: maladroithim on August 26, 2008, 05:59:28 pm: Quote from: Dead Phoenix on August 25, 2008, 08:25:29 pm
Jet son: anyone involved in making the old games, that wanted to be involve in the making of this game, was turned down

This sounds suspiciously like fanboy conspiracy - they are ruining MY Fallout!!!! and all that. Even if it is true, maybe it's because by the time the game was announced they probably had staff hired and a project planned etc and like maybe didn't want to hire a bunch of additional people for no good reason?

Quote from: Jet Son on August 25, 2008, 08:23:46 pm
fuck bethesda

I just read an interview with Mark Morgan... Turns out Bethesda didn't even approach him to do the soundtrack. They are happy to let INON ZUR, THE POWER RANGERS GUY or whatever do the soundtrack but MARK MORGAN NO LET'S NOT EVEN ASK HIM even though he is publically expressing interest in doing it.

I do not remember the Fallout Tactics soundtrack but I DO remember the Fallout 1 and 2 soundtracks so they were probably better. They probably should have hired Mark Morgan :( At least it isn't Jeremy Soule! Fallout 3 would be pretty lame if it were scored by the same looping three minutes of generic epic fantasy music.

Man I am stoked for this game. I can't wait until winter vacation!
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 26, 2008, 08:04:25 pm: Fallout had a soundtrack? Aside from the opening licensed song I can't remember any music being played in game at all which was my chief complaint. I can very vaguely remember a song that played in town or in dungeons but it was quiet and barely noticeable not like Baldur's Gate which had this epic fucking soundtrack that blows me away. It's the only game series where I actually sit at the title screen and hum the theme song out loud before playing the game.

As far as Fallout staff goes, they were either integrated into BioWare or they drifted to Troika. Chris Taylor and several other guys found their board game company or something and Cain is still a developer/programmer (he's working on some MMORPG for one of those hundreds of korean companies).
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: local_dunce on August 26, 2008, 08:08:11 pm: Fallout 1 and 2 have two of the greatest game soundtracks of all time in my opinion, and they are what inspired me to take up music. Also Inon Zur is PRACTICALLY Jeremy Soule-Lite. But yeah... Man I hate Jeremy Soules. :(
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 26, 2008, 08:23:21 pm: Well they could have put some of this great music in the actual game. I remember Fallout Tactics and even the terrible Brotherhood of Steel having music but for the life of me I can't remember a single tune in the originals.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: maladroithim on August 26, 2008, 08:56:31 pm: Quote from: Marcus on August 26, 2008, 08:23:21 pm
Well they could have put some of this great music in the actual game. I remember Fallout Tactics and even the terrible Brotherhood of Steel having music but for the life of me I can't remember a single tune in the originals.

They are definitely there. Most are ambient tracks and stuff but they are super good.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: closedsocket on August 26, 2008, 11:43:18 pm: I will be two months into my iraq tour when this comes out=(
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 26, 2008, 11:50:02 pm: Beth is having a special showing of the game or something at PAX this weekend. Hopefully it's a playable/something other than the stupid E3 presentation as I'm attending the show specifically for it.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Evangel on August 27, 2008, 12:26:48 am: I don't know why everyone is so stoked about the original soundtracks, none of it was very memorable to me, just some eerie ambient work. Maybe I just didn't listen very closely.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: jamie on August 27, 2008, 12:30:38 am: it wasn't that great. it set a mood, but it was kind of abrasive even for the mood it was trying to set.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: ATARI on August 27, 2008, 12:53:41 am: yeah it was good for setting a mood, but that really was all about it that is really worth mentioning. I hope that its nothing too fancy or anything, as the mood setting that the whole fallout series brings is pretty important to the game imo. regardless though, chances are I'll just mute the music and play my other stuff in the background anyway though
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: GZ on August 27, 2008, 07:31:20 am: typically, only when a game does something bad does it actually stick out. because the music was such a good fit for the setting you don't really take notice of it and it lends itself to the game atmosphere. this is part of why fallout 2 has such a strong post-apocalyptic setting and why other games fail to replicate this feeling. admittedly there are not a whole lot of games that use this setting, but i think it's the music that sets fallout apart from the rest.

it's much like how a suspense or horror movie (good ones) will use bizarre tracks to set a feeling for a scene and so on. you will never remember what it sounded like but it definitely sets the mood when you are watching.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Evangel on August 27, 2008, 01:32:29 pm: Makes sense. I guess I would be kind of pissed if they started adding some hardcore techno thriller music with guitar solos to the new Fallout.
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Post by: jamie on August 27, 2008, 04:31:11 pm: i wouldn't. this isn't going to be good anyway so it might as well be fun.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 28, 2008, 05:25:21 am: Quote
There're some freaky random things that happen to keep you on your toes - I had a woman run up to me in the middle of nowhere begging for help because she was strapped with explosives. She ran off, not really giving me any opportunity to help her (bug?) and then exploded. Weird.

From a dutch article. If random events are that awesome then sign me up.

Apparently Bethesda's booth will have the first playable version of Fallout 3 so yours truly will get a taste of the game (yay 60 seconds in whatever barren monster filled more-than-likely-miles-away-from-npcs area). The show they're having at 2:30pm is basically a one hour walk through of the game and there will be a compressed download of it available that weekend.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 29, 2008, 06:38:06 pm: Five videos were uploaded at gametrailers. It's a compressed version of the hour long video they're showing at PAX. The game looks pretty fun and they showed an example of "multiple dialog strings" or whatever with skills being applied to dialog and quests.

The character models aren't as ugly as they were in Oblivion but the animation is still goofy as fuck. The soundtrack is also fucking awesome and having a built in radio is all kinds of cool. It looks like it has more "staying power" than Oblivion since it's actually a story based game.

EDIT: Oh, and exploding cars are stupid. Cars in Fallout run on nuclear fusion cells and shouldn't BLOW UP by getting 10 shots to the frame with a pistol.
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Post by: Fire Mage on August 29, 2008, 08:09:30 pm: Quote from: Evangel on August 21, 2008, 07:09:26 am
The option to beat the game as a pacifist is always interesting. This definitely was not possible in Oblivion (to my knowledge).

well in the jail/tutorial you could let the guards handle it.

then you could go off and do side stuff (leveling up with stuff like alteration and stuff so you wouldn't do damage) then i guess you could use stuff like invisibility or reflect damage (if you count that as pacifism) to make it through? idk i'm just thinking of a way it could've been possible.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: DoctorEars on August 31, 2008, 02:21:45 am: Well, I'm looking forward to Fallout 3. It looks good, seems to play well from what I've seen. Though I agree with Marcus about the cars, it seems a bit fucked up in that way. Probably Bethesda's way of making it more FPS-like. Instead of having exploding barrels, they have exploding cars. Not convinced :fogethuh:

Other than that, the game looks great and I have the collectors edition preordered. Vault Boy Bobblehead - :gwa:
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 31, 2008, 03:31:16 am: Bethesda has marketed this game like no other. Their setup at PAX was pretty spectacular in terms of DESIGN and it's clear they put a great deal of money into making it look like Fallout in terms of art. The game on the other hand is a different story...

I waited in line watching over people's shoulders as they played the game. It's important to note that it was a hacked version (same with EVERY SINGLE VIDEO they're put on the internet). In the full game, there are guards at the Vault exit you have to sneak past/persuade/bribe/kill, you don't have ridiculous amounts of health, you can't find nuclear catapult grenade launchers laying around, basically everything you've seen in every video was faked.

Anyways, everyone ahead of me went on mad killing sprees while I waited patiently noting things I wanted to try out (one guy was in the back reciting Fallout's entire ingame history but I didn't dare ask him if he was an NMA member for fear of being booted off the exhibit). When I got to play the game, Hines meandered over to narrate for me. He tried to "guide" me along the demo... to which I completely ignored him. When I leveled up after leaving the vault, I increased my speech to the max and choose Ladykiller which made his eyebrows raise.

I entered a random house and spoke to Silver, this Jethead who owed Moriarty some caps. With Ladykiller, a couple of new choices popped up and she opened up to me about her addiction. I used my heightened speech to extort her of some caps and decided to check out Moriarty but not before sneaking in her kitchen and stealing random objects like toasters and cutting boards.

Fo3 apparently has a robust invention system as pretty much everything could be picked up. In the 10 minutes I was allotted, I basically wandered around the outskirts of Megaton and entered the town to talk to people; something that NO ONE ELSE DID IN THE ENTIRE BOOTH.

The game's writing is better than what was shown. Some of the characters are downright awful, but other characters are actually pretty funny and well written. I talked to this one old guy who basically went on and on and on about how awesome AMERICA was and we had a long conversation regarding consumerism or something that ended with him fumbling in his speech reminding me of a scene in the original where you talked to a rat and "killed" him by bringing up a paradox in his knowledge.

Outside of the improved dialog, I also noticed that Fallout's world was pretty interesting. The videos don't do it justice, but unlike Oblivion there's actual LEVEL DESIGN. Every building that has an entrance can be entered and the blown out buildings actually have some variety (despite repeat albeit not-really-noticeable damage models). The items and events in the game are randomized and in two playthroughs I noticed varying item placements, mumbling crazies, and merchants.

Other than that... it plays out pretty much like Oblivion. You walk around and do quests. There seems to be more attention to detail, something Oblivion was lacking, and the characters actually having personalities is great but yeah... it's like a total conversion mod for Oblivion.

I'm not going to beat a dead horse by going "NOT FALLOUT URGHFHGHFGH" but I will say that it is a fine game on its own merit. The animations are goofy and the AI varies between decent and downright retarded, but overall it's a decent game and that's all I can ask for these days (well, that's all I expect to receive as I ask for an english release of Mother 3 daily).
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: DoctorEars on August 31, 2008, 04:15:24 am: I wasn't really expecting it to be exactly like Fallout. I was expecting it to be a decent game, and from what you've said it seems like it is/will be.
I'm pretty sure I'll have a lot of fun with it. Hopefully being a speaker rather than a combat guy will work out. It's great fun in the original games to just walk around and talk to people, to see what they're doing.
Title: A whole lot of Fallout 3 gameplay pictures leaked
Post by: Marcus on August 31, 2008, 04:31:30 am: I can confirm that this game is a lot less deadlier than Oblivion. You still have enemies that will chase you but they won't follow you to the ends of the earth and other enemies actually fight each other in this game (I saw radscorpion versus raiders and mole rats versus mad brahmin). I don't doubt Hines word that one of his playtesters beat it without killing anyone.

EDIT: I completely forgot you can disarm enemies. Disarming an enemy completely usually makes them run away in fear so a pacifist can simply shoot the gun out of everyone's hands and never kill a single thing.

EDIT 2: I don't think I mentioned that characters actually TRAVEL in this game. Outside Megaton I shot the deputy and the Sheriff ran out the town gates (it uses the same walled in town style as Oblivion) and several snipers manned the makeshift parapets.