With this CERN project, physicists hope to cross a new frontier of knowledge by resolving questions of science. One, in particular, is pinpointing the elusive Higgs boson, a key “building block” particle that can help explain why all other particles have mass.
It's either gonna be bitchin' or kill everything. I'm rooting for the first of the two.no there is no more chance of this happened than on any other day, listen to the actual scientists.
I think it is interesting, but what happens if they don't find that higgs boson?It doesn't matter, really. Finding it would be great, but the LHC is doing a LOT more than just that. Stephen Hawking made a bet that they wouldn't find many answers to the questions that exist now, but they will open up realms of science previously unimagined.
LARGE HARDON COLLIDER who the fuck names these thingsits hadron, not hardon.
seems like a huge waste of money for something that could potentially destroy the entire machinei read in a science journal that the 4billion spent on the project wasn't the cost of the machinery - they have 17 or 18 copies in the basement - but the cost of twenty years of chinese takeaway(it takes a lot of food energy to create a hardon that big)
the potential to destroy the entire "machine" (did you mean to say universe??) is small anyway and only idiots still think it will destroy the universe. it wont create any black holes, and if it does, it will be so small that it will fizzle out almost instantly.the problem here is that it's a completely different type of hardon than that which we are typically familiar. i mean, even the largest of the large hardons are relatively harmless as long as you don't get too close to it, but look at the size of this fucking thing. i'm not saying it'll destroy the universe, but the possibility is there for it to fuck our planet pretty hard.
it wont create any black holes, and if it does, it will be so small that it will fizzle out almost instantly.It certainly can create black holes, but you're right. They will be so small, that they actually won't do anything.
its hadron, not hardon.yeah nothing with mass can reach the speed of light because what do you think e=mc2 means? if a particle has mass it would take an infinite amount of energy to actually reach the speed of light. butttttt light has properties of both particles and waves holy mindfuck
and im pretty sure they don't speed them up to light speed, only really close (96.12%?)
seems like a huge waste of money for something that could potentially destroy the entire machine
It certainly can create black holes, but you're right. They will be so small, that they actually won't do anything.
seems like a huge waste of money for something that could potentially destroy the entire machineAre you, by any chance, a hardcore ultraconservative Christian who believes in creationism, the earth being flat and little angels moving things around instead of the force of gravity?
Also I'm very strongly hoping it WILL create tiny black holes. It's unlikely that this will happen (and if it does, don't worry; they will evaporate (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawking_radiation) nearly instantaneously) but if it does, Hawking will get a Nobel Prize for sure.
Are you, by any chance, a hardcore ultraconservative Christian who believes in creationism, the earth being flat and little angels moving things around instead of the force of gravity?no
can someone explain to me what MICRO BLACK HOLES areA black hole is formed like this:
(assuming it exists, but even if it doesn't, a MBH would fly off into space at near light speeds (or not depending on the collision type), and either way a MBH would take longer than the natural life time of our solar system to do anything harmful. (supposedly))
All just theory.
I laughed at this picture, For months i have been ranting about this thing and how the world will end to my co-workers. None of them believed me.
They were all "Large Hadron what?"
Then i FINALLY get a picture that can expell all doubt that this thing would cause the end of the worldHidden content (Click to reveal)(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/23247/1220340146160.jpg)
thats because the areas of the LHC that collect the data from collisions are connected to numerous universities, to assist in gathering/processing all the data. if someone wants to "steal" this data, well, go right ahead. either you cant do anything with it or you will process it thereby helping the cause.The hackers were one step away from the control system
its not like the parts of the LHC that control acceleration and all that stuff are connected to the internet. just the data collection sections. big fucking deal.
soemone find a source or article about this hacking stuff.you cant find it yourself??
The hackers were one step away from the control systemI read that they were one megakernel manual override transmission from causing what scientists are calling a "Nasty Blackholey Apocalypse"
yeah nothing with mass can reach the speed of light because what do you think e=mc2 means? if a particle has mass it would take an infinite amount of energy to actually reach the speed of light. butttttt light has properties of both particles and waves holy mindfuck
An explanation of just how amazing this machine is and how it works:
anyone that thinks this is even remoelty dangerous needs to get there head checked and listen to scientists instead of the bible for once. collisions WAAAAAY bigger than hadrons are happeneing everywhere all the time that;s why this needs testing so close your gospel spout this is perfectly safemy concern are not the collisions, it is the posibility of black holes.
So wait a minute, from those articles I just read a bunch of idiots calling themselves the Greek Security whatever are going to try and sabotage (and/or prove something) an experiment that they don't know jack about or are easily influenced by the media?
If they did shut down the LHC all they'd be doing is postponing it. There really isn't much you can do (which because of how sensitive it is, is alot) to stop them, except maybe financial damages but thats pretty much it. Seriously you damage it they fix it and get back on it
We all know computer systems that are connected to the Internet can be hacked.eh, not really. i think it ultimately did these guys a lot of good to really be made aware of how easily compromised their system can be. i mean this IS a multi-national, multi-billion dollar particle collider. despite how utterly complicated i'm sure the network is, you'd hope that something of this scale would be as absolutely close to air-tight as possible, even if it means creating their own private, large-scale network that completely bypasses the internet. could have been some pretty mean dudes hacking them later on.
That is nothing new.
Seems kind of a moot point to do it then, no? The ones that matter aren't, so I don't see much of the point!
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and I dunno, I am just uninformed but once there is a black hole, shouldn't it naturely grow because it begins to suck stuff? Stuff like the pipe itself in this LHC experiment?No. A black hole only has gravity relative to it's mass. in order for it to suck anything in it has to be REALLY HEAVY. All this machine is capable of making is tiny ones that we won't even notice.
This is the first time ive ever seen anyone talk about this on the interneti have been waiting many years for an opportunity to drop ouzo into a conversation AND I FINALLY FOUND IT
Hawking's theory of evaporation is that, a theory.I've said this many times before but I'm going to say it again.
I've said this many times before but I'm going to say it again.I was actually going to reply to his "theory" comment, but you did it before me, and yeah you're absolutely right. I sure do wish some people could grasp the word theory in a scientific context. It's more than just mere speculation. Also, isn't a law basically synonymous with a well accepted theory?
A scientific theory is based on extensive research, extensive testing and extensive confirmation. A scientific theory can be used to accurately explain the past and accurately predict the future. It's not like in your favorite Agatha Christie novel where the detective says he has a "theory", in which case it means "a possible explanation for the situation".
If you say that something like Hawking radiation is "just a theory", all you're basically doing is admitting you don't understand what a scientific theory is in the first place.
I am uninformed so clarify me this:Right at the border between outer space and the sky.
where do these millions of millions of proton collisions in the universe occur? Right on the planet or star?
I've said this many times before but I'm going to say it again.
A scientific theory is based on extensive research, extensive testing and extensive confirmation. A scientific theory can be used to accurately explain the past and accurately predict the future. It's not like in your favorite Agatha Christie novel where the detective says he has a "theory", in which case it means "a possible explanation for the situation".
If you say that something like Hawking radiation is "just a theory", all you're basically doing is admitting you don't understand what a scientific theory is in the first place.
collisions like this have happened 10^31 times already.
seriously
10000000000000000000000000000000 times this experiment has been repeated because of cosmic radiation
it looks like everything still exists. so????
basically yeah people who say "LOL THE WORLD'S GONNA END SCIENCE KILLED US ALL" are just a bunch of asses who want to sound like they know shit. these people feel good about themselves for thinking they know everything now because science is going to kill us all. they don't. i hate those fucking people
anyways i am pumped about the results of this thing. it's spectacular to think about how physicists have been coming up with all these goddamned THEORIES and none of it has been proved, ever. with the LHC there's a chance some of these theories will actually become facts. or scientists could all be wrong. again. like that time when we thought that everything orbited around the earth, remember? hahahaha. man we were so wrong.
The Safety Assessment Group writes, “Nature has already conducted the equivalent of about a hundred thousand LHC experimental programmes on Earth – and the planet still exists.”
aahhaahahahahhaaha you made this RIGHT AFTER my joke post. i'm poking fun at all you couch physicists
100,000 is a bit different to what you said, unless the LHC dudes are young earth theorists.
to say that anyone who's a little worried about this is an ass is pretty naive considering the sheer size of the thing. like, even if it doesn't produce a BLACK HOLE imagine if the entire collider collapsed in on itself. there's an awful lot of people living on top of that thing, what about CANCER from SUPERPOWERED ELECTRONS, surely one flick of this is worse than living under powerlines.
ok well doesn't that apply to any and every scientific lab? WHAT IF THE LAB AT MY COLLEGE BLOWS UP AND SPRAYS TOXIC WASTE EVERYWHERE :shocking:
hopefully god will be merciful on those scientists.. they are afterall probably athiests :blarg:
Also to add to this, DJ Soup, gravity, that thing that I'm sure you agree is holding you down right now close to the Earth, is also a theory.That the earth itself exists is also unproven. We cannot definitely prove that it does exist because every scientific theory "depends on unproven assumptions about the world around us" (that last part is taken directly from Wikipedia because they always put things so nicely).
climbtree why do you lie all the time....
Gravity is a law, a fundamental force of nature, not a theory. There's a big difference.
Gravity is a law, a fundamental force of nature, not a theory. There's a big difference.
James Gillies, a spokesman for CERN said: "We're flattered that the RSC should take such an interest in our public image, and we find the name Halo to be apposite. However, the LHC will not be changing its name."
NAMING IT AFTER VIDEOGAME SUPERWEAPON DESIGNED TO BLOW UP EARTH, GOOD PLAN.Hahahhah. That made my day.
did anyone else catch how this thing wasnt even on for a day before it malfunctioned heh
did anyone else catch how this thing wasnt even on for a day before it malfunctioned hehno, i didnt
NAMING IT AFTER VIDEOGAME SUPERWEAPON DESIGNED TO BLOW UP EARTH, GOOD PLAN.:gwa:
GENEVA, Switzerland (AP) -- The world's largest atom smasher, which was launched with great fanfare earlier this month, is more badly damaged than previously thought and will be out of commission for at least two months, its operators said Saturday.
What a bunch of dumbasses.Oh, yeah?? Where's your hadron collider??
That blows. This really pisses me off -- you would think that they'd be just a bit more careful in maintaining this expensive equipment. And get good security for it, too. What a bunch of dumbasses.ahhahahah are you serious
i feel a machine like this could FUCK UP BADLY if a fly landed in the wrong place at the wrong time so i am not surprised at allIt would be kind of funny to see what would happen to the fly if it were in the LHC while particle collision was going on (this is impossible, though, since it's sealed off). Theoretically it might get pierced by superinflated protons about 10000 times per second. Imagine being shot 10000 times per second!
"Preliminary investigations suggest that the most likely cause of the problem was a faulty electrical connection between two magnets, which probably melted at high current leading to mechanical failure,'' Mr Gilles saidHow do you not check, double check, triple check, and quadruple check to make sure that your connections are safe before you fire up your equipment? Seriously, you would think that after $6 billion dollars people would make sure the thing is, I don't know, safe to use without damaging itself? For a project as awesome as this is, it's insane and stupid that we have to go through this. Guys we're trying to find the fundamental building blocks of the universe. And right now, we have to wait, because of some engineer dumbass who probably didn't adhere to proper protocol.
Oh, yeah?? Where's your hadron collider??
Don't need one. I maintain a perfectly working hardon collider in my pants.
Human fallibility bla bla bla whatever guys. This looks to me to be more like an avoidable oversight than an accident.How do you not check, double check, triple check, and quadruple check to make sure that your connections are safe before you fire up your equipment? Seriously, you would think that after $6 billion dollars people would make sure the thing is, I don't know, safe to use without damaging itself? For a project as awesome as this is, it's insane and stupid that we have to go through this. Guys we're trying to find the fundamental building blocks of the universe. And right now, we have to wait, because of some engineer dumbass who probably didn't adhere to proper protocol.do you know how many magnets are in the LHC? not every failure is predictable
Don't need one. I maintain a perfectly working hardon collider in my pants.
Maybe nothing would happen dada?http://www.popsci.com/scitech/article/2008-07/say-im-inside-large-hadron-collider-and-its-revving-should-i-be-concerned
It's our own damn fault for letting someone without the proper nerd credentials take charge of such an important nerd-related project!
"If engineers were to lose control of the beam, however, watch out. The beam is only one millimeter wide, yet it contains 320 trillion protons moving just shy of the speed of light. (That gives it about the same momentum as a 400-ton train speeding at 95 mph.) It would plow through the magnets and unleash a fatal cascade of high-energy particles and radiation."
Is it possible for this thing to go through a catastrophic accident and seriously damage the facilities/injure personnel on site?According to one scientist, you're more likely to spontaneously disintegrate due to random quantum effects.
it could explode like any other huge machineYou've played too much Mega Man.
though it won't
And, I'm sure like theirs, it no longer works properly. :gwa:
But seriously, this should've been expected,Swiss crap never works. I mean look how many accidents scientists went through when they attempted space travel before they invented a rocket capable of such a feat. Trial & Error.
The actual collider cost around $400,000 in material to build. It was a million for the land they put it through. The rest was wages for the scientists involved, top minds of the world demand top pay.
I wonder how some of the best brains messed up a calculation that makes them stay on the project another 2 months. Dollar dollar bill yo.
Looks like someone is trying to compensate.
I bet if you had the cash for it, you would buy an extremely large, powerful, penis-shaped vehicle.
He didn't have time to watch Star Trek or Star Wars because he was busy studying about how to make a LHC
Hey man, cars are supposed to be phallic objects anyways. Of course I'd buy one. Are you saying that everyone who has those goddamn gas guzzling hummers have small penises? I think not.