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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Sludgelord on September 16, 2008, 02:48:22 am
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So I was walking around on campus today when I saw a friend of mine from class playing guitar, so I decided to go over and talk to him. He was with some guy I didn't know and was in the middle of a song so I waited for him to finish before I asked him what it was. He told me it was John Mayer and we started talking about the guitar and music and whatever, which eventually led to the guy I didn't know asking me who my favorite guitarist was. I hate this question.
When people ask you who your favorite guitarist is, they don't mean in terms of songwriting or the ability to make nice melodies or lyrics. They mean in terms of technical ability, which I (and I'm pretty sure most other people) seriously don't care about. I get asked who my favorite guitarist is every once in a while and in my experience, the asker is always one of three kinds of people: a neo-classical pseudo-metal from the 80s fan (Steve Vai, Yngwie Malmsteen, Michaelangelo Batio), a classic rock fan (Jimmy Hendrix, Eric Clapton, Jimmy Paige), or a modern-ish ten years ago rock fan (the guitarists from Red Hot Chili Peppers, System of a Down, Phish, Primus). This guy was a modern-ish ten years ago rock fan. I kind of half-assed Elliott Smith. He plays the guitar and I like his music a lot (it's my favorite!!!), but he plays other instruments too and I don't like him BECAUSE of his guitar playing.
So this guy goes on a little while about how John Mayer can do crazy things with the guitar and how he's a guitar god. Then he talks about some guy from Primus being a guitar god, and then System of a Down. I didn't really know what to tell him. I guess? I seriously just don't care about GUITAR VIRTUOSITY or whatever and I definitely wouldn't listen to music just for it, which is what I got the impression that this guy does. I guess what I've learned from people asking me who my favorite guitarist is is that they don't really care who it is, they're just sort of fishing for some accessible and popular virtuoso that they can pit against their own favorite and that they're more interested in technical ability than actual music. Maybe I'm wrong but that's pretty much what it's seemed like every single time I've talked about guitarists!
So basically it is the worst question anyone can ask you.
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Haha you are cool. As soon as I saw the topic title the first thing I thought was that my music taste has changed so much over time that I won't blurt out JOHN PETRUCCI HE IS THE MOST TECHNICAL, in fact I don't even have a favorite guitarist.
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yeah if someone asked me that i honestly don't know what i would say. That's such a specific question and has nothing to do with musical ability blah blah blah.
Hey who's your favorite musician?
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Everyone is just different. I really don't know how else to answer this. I mean, it really depends on how you view the guitar. I've seen people who view it as a way to write music and compose and others simply see it as a way to play really fast. Either way, I don't really care how they see it, its still a guitar. Also, I'm tired pretty much all the guitar players arguing about speed vs. emotion. Its the stupidest fucking debate! It always boils down to some 80's shredder being better than/worse than some modern/classic rock guitarist. FUCK!
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my favorite musician is john frusciante and he plays guitar so
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Also, I'm tired pretty much all the guitar players arguing about speed vs. emotion.
it's not about speed versus emotion, its about coherent melody versus tech wankery.
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yeah i dunno. i have a lot i think. i love john frusciante so fucking much and as a guitarist he is ridiculously skilled/talented, so as far as like TRADITIONAL PHENOM ELECTRIC ROCK GUITARISTS go, him by a mile. everything about what he does is basically excellent, especially if you look at his solo work.
for acoustic shit idk probably elliott smith, but you know, i don't really like much other acoustic shit so there you go. smith is actually a p excellent guitarist though and does a lot of interesting/atypical melodies and great chord progressions, though. also, johnny marr. he's a really good player and has pretty consistently over his entire career been excellent at writing insanely catchy riffs.
also j mascis, man. i don't know if i like him more than frusciante or not, but he's just really fucking good at his instrument, and writes some great songs. also every solo he has ever done is great. moore/ronaldo are both really good too, but i like them more as songwriters than i do as guitarists. they're good guitars, though! i do not like them for their technical shit so much as the aesthetic/style.
and jimmy hendrix but man that is a given and i don't even like saying it. i like earnie isley a lot, too.
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it's not about speed versus emotion, its about coherent melody versus tech wankery.
No, I've heard plenty of people say "I think speed is better than emotion" or "Man, he puts so much emotion into it, its better than playing fast man!" or something along those lines.
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well neither of those are mutually exclusive and they're just terms that are representative of what alec is talking about, so!
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All of them get boring after listening to them for too long
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Yeah, but I don't think playing with emotion necessarily means playing a coherent melody.
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the point is though, panda, that the people who ask you who your favorite guitarist is don't want to talk about those people. they probably DO NOT EVEN KNOW about those people! i feel kind of shitty saying this, but every single person who has ever asked me who my favorite guitarist is has been one of the three kinds of people in the original post. they know what they're going to talk about regardless of what you say.
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ahaha wait sorry i thought you were actually asking the question. it seemed weird but i was hoping to talk about marr a bit without starting a thread so i just didnt think......
anyway yeah i guess its a dumb question. i do not think they care who your favorite is so much as they want to talk about theirs and asking you yours is a good conversation starter. it is just like a guitarist's version of HOW WAS YOUR DAY OK GREAT HERES HOW MINE WENT i think
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it is just like a guitarist's version of HOW WAS YOUR DAY OK GREAT HERES HOW MINE WENT i think
I was about to post this but yeah. Pretty much this.
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Yeah it is a stupid question. Its the same as other stupid shit like "whats your favorite color" or "what is your favorite movie" they are all stupid and you are stupid.
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whats your favorite concfeld
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I usually say Keith Levene and it's kind of a test to see if I can REALLY talk rock n roll music with them or just bullshit about radiohead or whatever.
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I hate those kind of questions. While I used to be a shred junkie, it's just pointless. I love guitar, I listen to a wide range of guitarists but pick a solid favourite? Nah.
Also Vai ain't neo-classical dud​, he's far more than just shredding.
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I usually say Keith Levene and it's kind of a test to see if I can REALLY talk rock n roll music with them or just bullshit about radiohead or whatever.
isnt that the guy from foo fighters ilove them
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I think the reason you run into this is because only guitar players tend to ask who your favorite guitarist is instead of who/what your favorite MUSICIAN/BAND is. I think it's naturally taken as a technical question by most people. not that it's a good thing but yeah I think a LOT of people who get into guitar totally sperg on the shredders and fast players because they don't like music so much as GUITAR, if that makes sense.
also maggot brain.
also
Keith Levene
lets talk about music itt.
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i don't like guitar that much as an instrument, but probably most of the music i have listened to in my life is guitar based although not as much of it recently.
anyway, if i had to pick a favourite guitar player it'd be john frusciante but i don't like him because of how he plays guitar. i just like the way he writes and the melodies he comes up with. a whole lot! i'd like him just as much and probaly more if his primary instrument was piano or synths or whatever. really, he's just my favourite musician.
i thought i had a lot to say when i started this post but i don't. this is the stuff about music i don't like to talk about. i don't get why it's interesting, "ooh man listen to this guy! impressive technique!!!", that's not what music is. if people are really into that kind of thing it doesn't have much to do with the music. they are either just a little juvenile and will grow out of that kind of thing or they are just stupid. i think you said that but a little nicer in the first post chef.
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shred durst none is better
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heh I tend to do this with drummers a lot
but with that there is so much more to the best drummers out there than technical ability so I guess I dont even know what I'm saying here
my favorite guitarist is probably Wes Montgomery or the guy in my band though.
I do hate this question as well though because sometimes I get tripped up by it and say something stupid like John Petrucci haha
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have you actually asked people their fav drummer and they RESPONDED WITH SOMETHING?
because really most bands let alone music listeners tend to use drummers to keep time and that's it.
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i don't like guitar that much as an instrument, but probably most of the music i have listened to in my life is guitar based although not as much of it recently.
anyway, if i had to pick a favourite guitar player it'd be john frusciante but i don't like him because of how he plays guitar. i just like the way he writes and the melodies he comes up with. a whole lot! i'd like him just as much and probaly more if his primary instrument was piano or synths or whatever. really, he's just my favourite musician.
i thought i had a lot to say when i started this post but i don't. this is the stuff about music i don't like to talk about. i don't get why it's interesting, "ooh man listen to this guy! impressive technique!!!", that's not what music is. if people are really into that kind of thing it doesn't have much to do with the music. they are either just a little juvenile and will grow out of that kind of thing or they are just stupid. i think you said that but a little nicer in the first post chef.
yeah, this is how i feel about frusciante. but you know, i don't think it's bad to care about technique. like, being interested in the guitar as an instrument doesn't in any way preclude being interested in the music. i LIKE that he's a really technical player and that no one else really plays like him in a lot of ways if you count his original stuff and not when he is just doing hendrixish solos, and that he comes up with really interesting songs if you just look at how they're played and not how they sound. i still prefer him as a musician but yeah, i care about that stuff because i care about the guitar as an instrument, and i'm sure if you asked him, he probably would too! i don't really see why you're making it sound like it is somehow the INFERIOR CHOICE to care about technical shit like playstyle or REVERSE POLARITY PICKUPS or tube amp engineering or any of the other really non-musical aspects of guitar. that shit's perfectly legitimate and i'm sure a lot of musicians you like care about it a lot and use that kind of knowledge to actually get the sound they do. like i said, it doesn't in any way preclude their being musicians.
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oh god i almost thought THAT GUY FROM RATATAT ISN'T BAD but i think he's the guitarist from dashboard confessional as well.
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yeah, this is how i feel about frusciante. but you know, i don't think it's bad to care about technique. like, being interested in the guitar as an instrument doesn't in any way preclude being interested in the music. i LIKE that he's a really technical player and that no one else really plays like him in a lot of ways if you count his original stuff and not when he is just doing hendrixish solos, and that he comes up with really interesting songs if you just look at how they're played and not how they sound. i still prefer him as a musician but yeah, i care about that stuff because i care about the guitar as an instrument, and i'm sure if you asked him, he probably would too! i don't really see why you're making it sound like it is somehow the INFERIOR CHOICE to care about technical shit like playstyle or REVERSE POLARITY PICKUPS or tube amp engineering or any of the other really non-musical aspects of guitar. that shit's perfectly legitimate and i'm sure a lot of musicians you like care about it a lot and use that kind of knowledge to actually get the sound they do. like i said, it doesn't in any way preclude their being musicians.
well that's not really what i meant. i was talking about the guys who when talking about their favourite music the first thing they bring up is how fast a musician plays, or how they switch time signatures 20 times in one song or whatever. i'm sure a lot of musicians do care about the technical stuff, because it's what they've decided to do with their life so of course that's going to be part of it all, and for fans who are also interested in music or doing it as a career, learning about that stuff is inevitable and there's some fun in playing around with the toys you can use to make things sound different and stuff like that. it's all technical though, it's only interesting if you are truly trying to learn why music sounds the way it does. most people, if not all, who i know have spent months doing nothing but learning solos and letting me hear their favourite virtuoso moments, are just interested in the spectacle of some "rock god" playing fast as fuck and basically getting a big hard on for what seems to me to be the musicial equivalent to a die hard movie or something.
it's like, a very specific kind of stupidity all my friends in high school had about music. maybe i'm being too harsh, but it just seems boneheaded and boring to me. technique though is definitely not just playing fast and doing wacky tricks on stage though, that's just showmanship and it's not for me.
the kind of actual technique and skill involved in making good music, while it's important for a musician to have, isn't really so interesting to me. i guess i could compare it to filmmakers - the size of the lense, the arcane details of set lighting and so on - aren't what attract me in the end. they all help, but it's background. there have to be good intentions to start with, the execution comes after that. i'm more interested in the first part i guess, but that's just because i am kind of impatient with small details.
so i didn't mean to say heh, technique? for mere philistines. reading about that stuff bores me, but i can see why it might be important and it would probably let me become better at making the sounds i want to if i knew about it. i suppose what i'm talking about is theory and not technique. but even as i type this i'm realising this isn't really that relevant now because i'm out of high school and i don't actually have to talk to people who are like this anymore so this is mostly leftover crap that i just never talked about.
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I'm going to call it with Andy Mckee or John Butler, who i think are the best examples of emotion and virtuosity combined, which seem to be the buzzwords of choice here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4Igb5Yors4 <- Very few nicer guitar tunes. I'd like to think it was this piece that drove me in the kind of direction i've taken my guitar playing.
If i'm going to listen to shred then i want it to be over the top and ridiculous but also to compliment the over the topness and ridiculous...ness of the rest of the song.
As a general rule, i'm not a fan. There was a Dragonforce song on in Gamestation the other day and, god, it was just dull.
(John Butler: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qih1HC-S7YE&feature=related the whole thing reeks of class. I wish i could play like that).
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have you actually asked people their fav drummer and they RESPONDED WITH SOMETHING?
because really most bands let alone music listeners tend to use drummers to keep time and that's it.
I guess you have a point, that kind of shit only ever comes up when I talk to other drummers, but since I'm in a band and pretty steeped in the 'local music scene' or whatever (mostly just the psychedelic, jazz and jam bands around though, because they tend to be the dudes we play with) and who is your favorite drummer has come up fairly often in conversations about music for me heh
but yeah I think a lot of the music I listen to is influenced by how good the percussive element to the music is. if it is boring as shit and uncreative (or something I was doing when I was 13) then I tend to not like it as much. hence why I have been listening mostly to jazz, latin and afrobeat anymore (I dont know how to explain all the country I've been listening to lately heh)
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What is your favourite bandoneonist?
What is your favourite nyckelharpist?
What is your favourite [instrument] ist?
Also is liking virtuosism the same for every instrument or is it better to like virtuoso piano players than virtuoso guitarrists?
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I actually would have said Elliott Smith too, Chef. I really like his textural chords with picking intermixed.
I stopped being impressed by "guitar god" guys a long time ago. Few of them have any innovation and musically speaking I get really bored with it.
However Jaco is still my favorite bass player. So I'm just a contradictory bastard I guess.
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fff
yeah those people are really annoying for sure. i am kinda into the more technical/theoretical aspects, though! i can see why you would find them boring, but i guess that comes from being more interested in music as a whole and not the actual execution. i kind of wish i felt like this, because i think peoples' musicianship can be obscured by caring too much about AMP TONE and other shit that doesn't have much to do with their actual music, but i try to maintain a balance between caring about technical guitar shit and caring about music as an art/mode of expression.
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isnt that the guy from foo fighters ilove them
lol irl
I really like john frusciante's early solo albums when he was slamming junk into his arm and being a fucking weirdo, but RHCP is one of the most boring bands ever. Poppy Man is one of the coolest guitar instrumentals
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lets talk about music itt.
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have you actually asked people their fav drummer and they RESPONDED WITH SOMETHING?
because really most bands let alone music listeners tend to use drummers to keep time and that's it.
:fogetrockon: NEIL :fogetrockon: PEART :fogetpout: BITCHES :fogetrockon:
my faves are michio kurihara (ghost) and jason simon (dead meadow)
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i'll take this:
this:
or this:
over this any day:
frusciante is without a doubt my favorite guitarist, but it's certainly not for his MAD CHOPS!! or whatever (even though he certainly has them.) hendrix, page, clapton, zappa, and eddie hazel come close, however. i don't give two shits about how fast or how technical a guitarist is, however I do appreciate ability to improvise and create melodies.
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couchfiend is my favorite guitarist *no joke*
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couchfiend is the worst thing to ever happen to music
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:fogetpout:
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couchfiend
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steve albini
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:fogetrockon: NEIL :fogetrockon: PEART :fogetpout: BITCHES :fogetrockon:
my faves are michio kurihara (ghost) and jason simon (dead meadow)
oh and jorma kaukonen (jefferson airplane, hot tuna)
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Every time I see this topic I see "Who's your favorite guit..." and the lower part of the g is covered by the underline and I think it says "who's your favorite quitter", which is an excellent question in any field.
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Antti Kokko
His melodies send shivers down my spine.
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I think someone who does play guitar could have a reason to have a favorite guitarist I guess? I mean like, it could be some sort of inspiration or model to them or something.
But I just listen to music, I don't play any of it, so I don't really have a reason to pick an instrument out and single out one dude who plays it better. In fact I cant even REALLY tell when a part in a song is really hard, unless its obvious, like one of these dragonforce guitar shreds or whatever. Like for instance, I was told that The Black Page (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AQt2inyxNNg) from zappa was SUPER HARD for drummers, but when you actually see the thing, it doesn't really look that special. I am guessing that to a drummer though, it looks amazing somehow.
I guess it comes down to, what's the use of something being super complex and hard if only a few can see how complex and hard it is? hehhh elitism...
I don't really like solos that much to begin with, theyre rarely interesting. Weedly weedly weeeeee!!!!!
I think the only "favorites" someone can really have, is favorite songs. With songs, you can really single out a few that evokes something to you, and its less about how show-off the musicians are, it takes into account everything: how the band works together, how efficient the melody and lyrics are, etc. It probably makes for more interesting conversations and also there are more chances that you get different answers.
"HEH STAIRWAY TO HEAven amirITe"
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That solo is pretty ridiculous. He is solid as HELL and doing some pretty difficult rhythmic stuff.
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Kawabata Makoto motherfuckers absolute freak out
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I think the only "favorites" someone can really have, is favorite songs. With songs, you can really single out a few that evokes something to you, and its less about how show-off the musicians are, it takes into account everything: how the band works together, how efficient the melody and lyrics are, etc. It probably makes for more interesting conversations and also there are more chances that you get different answers.
Well, this SHOULD be the basic philosophy in music ALWAYS.
Music/Songs/Entirity over solos/complexity BITCHES!! :fogetrockon: :fogetrockon: :fogetrockon: :fogetrockon: :fogetrockon: :fogetrockon:
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as much as i hate this question, i will give my little list:
christopher arp (psyopus)
paul waggoner (between the buried and me)
jack johnson
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That solo is pretty ridiculous. He is solid as HELL and doing some pretty difficult rhythmic stuff.
I guess I would say he sounds solid if he was playing in a time signature that doesnt exist
either that or I just absolutely dont follow his groove (sure his rolls are pretty clean but whoever things this video/solo is in any way interesting or impressive needs to watch drummers with some soul)
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lol jack johnson
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i don't care what anybody says, jack johnson is a phenomenal guitarist.
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if by phenomenal you mean makes jock jams for date rapist popcollars combined with dorm quality slap acoustic guitar yes thats quite phenomenal.
a meteor is hurtling to earth, and only someone who makes the same song over and over again can fuel the rocket! Jack Johnson to the rescue!
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fuck it i am still reppin' brian may. anyone who makes his own guitar with his dad is excellent. what a #1 dad!
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I also like Brian May very much because he's also an astrophysicist
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omar rodriguez lopez rules too. he's been a really big influence on me as of late. i've been playing the robot solo from Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt to warm up lately. haha
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I guess I would say he sounds solid if he was playing in a time signature that doesnt exist
either that or I just absolutely dont follow his groove (sure his rolls are pretty clean but whoever things this video/solo is in any way interesting or impressive needs to watch drummers with some soul)
Dude no hes doing like STUPID rhythmic modulation shit and keeping the beat 100% steady. Its great.
<edit> wait, no rhythmic modulation, but just ridiculous polyrhythms and the beat still 100% steady.
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I don't know how they're called but I really like those
Also their drummer is a machine (literally).
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omar rodriguez lopez rules too. he's been a really big influence on me as of late. i've been playing the robot solo from Take the Veil Cerpin Taxt to warm up lately. haha
The mars volta is one of the few bands that I agree with most prominent "rock critics" with and it's, like nearly all "prog" music, because their music is complete masturbatory garbage.
It's like a pack of 15 year olds trying to be avant-garde without the excuse of being naive children.
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if you agree with prominent rock critics on anything chances are you are on the wrong side of the argument
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Yeah, I dont think the mars volta are at ALL just pointless stupid masturbation. They have some really cool shit they do and it is ridiculous to write it all off as MASTURBATION. Someone else said that and hes dead. It wasn't the bullets that killed him though, it was...
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mars voltas fuckin epic.
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volta are one of those bands gw loves who i just dont get. same with the chili peppers and tool altho much less so with tool.
and i still think prog has its virtues so wat the fuck does that mean???
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Wait, you don't get why gw loves TMV but you understand why we love tool? (We love tool? Tool is terrible)
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No I meant GW loves Tool less than the others mentioned.
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I never got the RHCP love.
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Good cause tool is terrible. Tell me why I shouldnt like tmv steel.
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Honestly, I much prefer omar's shit in atdi than tmv [/irrelevant post]
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Good cause tool is terrible. Tell me why I shouldnt like tmv steel.
he's told me hes only listened to their later albums, which tbh arent nearly as good. im mostly a fan of tremulant/de-loused and a lil bit of frances the mute.
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Oh yeah well amputechture and bedlam are pretty much terrible as albums, particularly bedlam. Deloused and frances are where its at.
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also Dave Knudson rules
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This guy
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/msnbcmedia1.msn.com/j/msnbc/Components/Photos/040402/040402_cobain_vmed_7a.widec.jpeg)
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Mars Volta are fucking boring, what are you guys smokin?
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kaworu, didn't you listen to iron maiden and other similar bands for like five years?
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Yes, what is so good about this "mars volta" except that it sounds trendy?
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the mars volta rule. i like a few songs off of bedlam but yeah i agree bedlam in goliath as a whole is really really masturbatory. tremulant/deloused/frances/majority of amputechture tho i don't really think are masturbatory at all.
also i don't like prog at all and i don't really consider TMV to be 'prog.' at least because to me, even if their music is technically progressive, they don't sound similar at all to the majority of other prog bands.
Yes, what is so good about this "mars volta" except that it sounds trendy?
what? they don't sound trendy at all what the hell are you talking about
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Steve Vai for me. I could listen to the guy's stuff for hours. I love the energy, always gets me in a good mood.
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I have no idea why mars volta is trendy, it just sounds trendy, like 2000's "indie" stuff
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inri stop trolling
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lets talk about jack johnson some more
HOW CAN YOU THINK HE IS AMAZING HE HAS 3 CHORDS AND ONE SONG AND ONE THEME: WISHY-WASHY
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also he is the matthew mcconaughey of music
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It's an Album, Charlie Brown!
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other than terrible lyrics, the mars volta make really fucking good music (other than bedlam and some of amputechture, of course).
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Do you guys remember that nu metal fad? I don't know anyone who listens to slipknot or system of a down anymore they're all listening to indie stuff now
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man my brother still listens to that shit, and he listens to this trendy indie stuff... and crap like greenday. He's got like the worst taste in music ever *cranks up that Weezer while driving to Tesco*
Hmm let's put this on shuffle
linkin park-3inches of blood-weezer-dragonforce-my chemical romance-greenday-blink182
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the mars volta rule. i like a few songs off of bedlam but yeah i agree bedlam in goliath as a whole is really really masturbatory. tremulant/deloused/frances/majority of amputechture tho i don't really think are masturbatory at all.
*makes a 12 minute song filled with aborted solos and spooky sound effects while some asshole with an awful voice sings through an effects filter some of the most pretentious nonsense imaginable filled with words lifted from medical dictionaries and a thesaurus*
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if you ever find yourself in doubt over whether the Mars Volta are full of shit, just read an interview with Cedric or Omar. If it's not crystal clear that those assholes are completely full of shit by the time you've finished reading it: congratulations, you're their target demographic.
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*makes a 12 minute song filled with aborted solos and spooky sound effects while some asshole with an awful voice sings through an effects filter some of the most pretentious nonsense imaginable filled with words lifted from medical dictionaries and a thesaurus*
this just makes it look like you havent spent very much time listening to their music
OR
have listened to one of their later albums or something.
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this just makes it look like you havent spent very much time listening to their music
OR
have listened to one of their later albums or something.
I used to be a big At the Drive In fan when I was younger and I loved the Mars Volta's Tremulant, Deloused, but kinda stopped listening to them once Francis the Mute came out. I'd also seen them live like 3 times.
:) I just recently went back and listened to the 2 albums and 1 EP that I own from them and I can say with all certainty that everything that the band has done(that I've heard) is complete shit.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8125174388138984611&ei=u24FSbSQK6O2qAOcpYjzDw&q=cicatrix
lol
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thats a funny thing to say because there's basically nothing spooky and not even a whole lot of "aborted guitar solos", most of their songs are like 5-6 minutes or less, and whichever one of them is the vocalist rarely uses any filters. he's got kind of a ridiculous voice but i think it is good ridiculous more than it is bad ridiculous. the lyrics are nonsense, but honestly, i never paid enough attention to them past being inscrutable to really form a good opinion of whether or not they are pretentious. it's just not a very apt description.
what's more, who gives a fuck about interviews? tons of talented people are assholes. it's disappointing, but i don't think it invalidates all of their work. isaac brock is the biggest douchebag in interviews. like, really, he sounds like fred durst. does this mean all modest mouse albums are full of shit? travis morrison is also a pretty big shithead in interviews, does this make dismemberment plan an awful band? i don't think you can gauge the quality of someone's music by how full of themselves you think they are being in an interview.
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http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8125174388138984611&ei=u24FSbSQK6O2qAOcpYjzDw&q=cicatrix
lol
i dunno if this is just a funny link or if it's supposed to support what you're saying, but i'm inclined to say SO WHAT, DAWG. like, they are a couple of recovering (???) junkies; how do you expect them to act? what this really does prove is that his voice is heavily doctored in the studio and he cannot even hold the notes he has written for himself in a live setting, but i don't even really give much of a shit about that. i can see how others would, though. but idk some of the best bands act completely ridiculous onstage. i don't think it's an indication of their character beyond the fact that they probably get a rush out of performing in front of thousands of people and like to do crazy shit. heh what kind of asshole jumps around and acts ridiculous onstage....
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there's difference between being an asshole/douche and being full of shit while talking about your work fyi.
you're right though, the music really does speak for itself lol
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Idk man, musically they do some really cool shit. Maybe I am just into it because I am a musician and very into the technical side of things, but they have some really nice textures going on and some ridiculous odd grooves. And pretty great arrangements that are tied together but not ever really repetitive at all. I dont know how you can not like Frances though man, that album has a lot of great shit on it. Cygnus Vismund Cygnus' chorus and then also the bit after and just a whole bunch of shit is really cool.
I know I'm not making any really convincing points but their music is at least unequivocallywell crafted. More than that though (unless theres a band they are secretly ripping off HARD that I'm unaware of) they have a pretty original sound and do interestingly creative stuff.
/me 's speech is barely intelligible around the shotgun in his mouth
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ITS TIME FOR MY TRAVIS MORRISON STORY I GOT OFF SA: this guy on SA met travis morrison at a house party and he kept asking for some blow and telling girls that he just wrote a new song, want to go in his van and hear it?
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*makes a 12 minute song filled with aborted solos and spooky sound effects while some asshole with an awful voice sings through an effects filter some of the most pretentious nonsense imaginable filled with words lifted from medical dictionaries and a thesaurus*
somehow, the sum of all these things gives a good output
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No the output is just harsh unlistenable noise
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jani liimatainen is my favorite guitarist.
sonata arctica are pretty great but you're crazy
fun fact: for a moment there I read jari litmanen and thought 'what how can he be any more brilliant'
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