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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Dale Gobbler on September 23, 2008, 01:17:12 am
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Heroes Season 3 is on TV right now, go watch it. They had this recap episode before it aired. I'm watching the last episode of Season 2 so I can remember wtf is going on. It's been off TV for so long, I had completely forgotten about it and most of the story. I forgot most of the peoples names and forgot all the little intrecant story factors that are probably going to arise in this season. This episode is also 2 hours long. Maybe they merged two episodes into one?
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season 2 is supposed to be legendarily bad, why do people watch this show still.
also never gonna watch this shit, I READ REAL COMICS.
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legendarily bad is a gross overstatement i think. it wasnt very good but it wasnt even as bad as MOST OTHER TV so!
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season two was absolutely horrible (it had some potential but it ended up being such garbage OH LOL FEUDAL JAPAN). i'm gonna give season 3 a shot but i'm not hoping for much. i used to like heroes a lot but there are much better shows (like weeds for one) that have totally replaced it for me.
they'e still doing the online episodes thing right? they usually had the latest episode on nbc.com the day after it airs. that's usually how i watched them.
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COUNTDOWN TO HEROES was the worst thing ever
At least the episode is pretty good so far.
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This episode was one of the best so far. So many questions.
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Season 2 was terrible. Season 3 is terrible. I'm going to go watch House.
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I just got fucked up by this episode.
A list of everything they did right, finally:
More powered people. Hella more time travel plot lines. Future Peter. Mohinder being a weird freak after getting a cool power. Sith Ando (fuck YES). A nemesis for Hiro who actually makes sense. Noah Bennet. Sylar presumably being Angela's son (??!?!?!) and possibly turning good and becoming Noah's partner (?!?!?!). Nathan actually being a character I like to follow, now. Lots of action. Nikki being interesting for once. Linderman being a ghost (what?!)? No Micah or Kakashi-girl. Elle becoming a more interesting character. Unfortunatly!: No Haitian and still no explanation of the Irish girl! What is that giant gaping plot hole? Also I wanted to see the star of the webisodes make an appearance.
The big question is CAN THIS BEAT THE OFFICE PREMIERE? I dunno we'll see but fuck yeah this was great shit.
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Yeah these episodes were pretty awesome. They certainly got back on track after season 2.
I'm really curious as to EVERYTHING that's going on. Pretty much everything Cheesy said.
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That is definitely not Niki. Niki does not turn people into ice. It doesn't make sense if it is her.
I didn't like that Matt was stuck in Africa and got little screentime, he's my favourite character. But I guess he will develop on that storyline.
Flint is pretty badass imo.
And wtf is going on with Angela and being Sylar's mother?
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"Nikki" wasnt in this episode, it was one of her other personas (note the totally different power). Also, there's too many people with pretty much the same power. The fast girl and Hiro (not the same power, but they're pretty much being paired up under the same category) And they better not add the girl that you can vote for that speeds up and slows down people. I loved how Peter tried to "save the world" again and ended up making it worse. His mom is has gotten a lot more interesting at the end of season 2 and in this episode. Oh and the African guy has Isaacs power. Did he get that power passed to when when Isaac died, or are there duplicates out there? Now the main question I want answered. Who did Peter run into that could let you trap people in other peoples bodiesand does the regular non future Peter have all his powers or just the Sonic abilities of his new body. Dont care about Irish girl.
hoodie:Peters mom has the power to manipulate people (and apparently can see into the future), so she's probably just trying to convince Sylar that she is him mother and get him on the good side.
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hoodie:Peters mom has the power to manipulate people (and apparently can see into the future), so she's probably just trying to convince Sylar that she is him mother and get him on the good side.
Yeah I know what her power is. I'm just wondering if she actually is his mom or not...
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heroes = the 4400 now
HEY LOOK AT ME I MADE A SYRINGE FULL OF SUPER POWERS
not bad eps tho
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However:
That is definitely not Niki. Niki does not turn people into ice. It doesn't make sense if it is her.
I didn't like that Matt was stuck in Africa and got little screentime, he's my favourite character. But I guess he will develop on that storyline.
Flint is pretty badass imo.
And wtf is going on with Angela and being Sylar's mother?
Actually this makes sense, considering she was about to die in that fire. Well anyways, sense in how she survived, not how she gets all weird kinds of powers.
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I dunno, I kinda thought the part where Sendhil Ramamurthy turned into Jeff Goldblum was hilarious.
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That was funny. Now Mohinder is a monkey. Also I don't care if that's Nikki's different identity or whatever, unless she was born with two powers it doesn't make sense yet. Nikki and Jessica BOTH had super strength. I think present Peter's got those sonic abilities, but where's his real body and is the villain in his body now? Also the new African guy is interesting. Anyone notice the 'new' symbol, the Godsend symbol in the middle of a cracking Earth? Interesting.
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That was funny. Now Mohinder is a monkey. Also I don't care if that's Nikki's different identity or whatever, unless she was born with two powers it doesn't make sense yet. Nikki and Jessica BOTH had super strength. I think present Peter's got those sonic abilities, but where's his real body and is the villain in his body now? Also the new African guy is interesting. Anyone notice the 'new' symbol, the Godsend symbol in the middle of a cracking Earth? Interesting.
I think future Peter just put present Peter inside Jesse's body. I'm not sure if his powers carry over or what? Peter still thinks he's Peter, but I don't know what happened to his body.
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So what happened to the other guy?
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I was kind of disappointed by this premiere. Season 1 introduced these characters as people. You know, ordinary people with extraordinary powers. It worked.
Now everyone seems to have a power and they all act like super heroes. The human element has just been left behind. The show feels empty to me. I'll continue to watch for the convulated storyline (how many times are they going to mess with the timeline and resurrect characters? Does anything actually stick in this show? It doesn't so it always feels like the show is running on a treadmill...) and the special effects, but the show isn't as good as it was in the past now.
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Hey Malcolm McDowell is back, they're pulling a Lost! He's easily the best actor and best character in the series hands down.
Well, I didn't think too highly of the show this time so I did enjoy it for what it was. Of course it's really obvious they're trying really hard to introduce all these new plots, mysteries, etc to last a few dozen episodes.
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Actually the latter half of the year's episodes will be a completely different volume!
Also, spoilers on that first part, I think.
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Is it just me or did Sylar seem stronger last season when he didn't have as many powers? He has telekenetic power and decides to just move stuff around so Clair can't escape instead of hold her down with his telekenetics, and to top it off he gets knifes by her. Also Nikki's power is having a split personality with a super power (I don't remember her ever being super strong when she didn't come under the influence of Jessica). Maybe she has multiple personalities each with a different power. That's why Linderman said it really wasn't Nikki.
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Nope, she was super-strong as Nikki and Jessica. The personalities had nothing to do with her power, other than them being the catalyst for her finding out about them. I guess maybe she could be the ACTUAL Jessica? Maybe Nikki's dad didn't kill her, she just ran away. They'd both probably have powers, although the chances of them being identical might be slim.
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Nope, she was super-strong as Nikki and Jessica. The personalities had nothing to do with her power, other than them being the catalyst for her finding out about them. I guess maybe she could be the ACTUAL Jessica? Maybe Nikki's dad didn't kill her, she just ran away. They'd both probably have powers, although the chances of them being identical might be slim.
You'd think Jessica would know her sister's name...
As for Linderman, we don't even know if he's alive or if Nathan is just hallucinating.
Also, can someone put spoilers in the title? This is getting annoying.
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Well, Nikki forgot about what happened, so maybe she has amnesia or something! I dunno. Yeah that's true but I mean, Nathan got healed somehow. It might've been Future Peter, though.
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Is it just me or did Sylar seem stronger last season when he didn't have as many powers? He has telekenetic power and decides to just move stuff around so Clair can't escape instead of hold her down with his telekenetics, and to top it off he gets knifes by her. Also Nikki's power is having a split personality with a super power (I don't remember her ever being super strong when she didn't come under the influence of Jessica). Maybe she has multiple personalities each with a different power. That's why Linderman said it really wasn't Nikki.
If you listen closely to the dialogue, you will notice Sylar stating that he isn't fully recovered yet.
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If you listen closely to the dialogue, you will notice Sylar stating that he isn't fully recovered yet.
touche
Alright, so when Peter's Mom saw the future with everyone dead. That super strong guy ripped Claires head off. Would that mean she would be dead? I mean his mom did say, what if someone close to you has died, go talk to claire and see for yourself.Sylar said she was "special" and that he couldn't kill her if he tried, either he could've ripped her head off to kill her or maybe Mohinder ends up developing a cure for the powers and Claire gets the cure.
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She can't see the future, really. She has PROPHETIC visions, which can convey that future but have to be interpreted. Like the dream we saw, Sylar was walking up behind her presumably to help her, against Adam, Nikki, Maurie, Black-Guy, etc.
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Hmm, I thought she just had Precognitive Dreams, the fact that Sylar is behind her is because of the fact that (what I read though) she's going to manipulate Sylar in joining to good guys.
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Yes, she does. I meant prophetic in the sense that they're metaphorical, not literal like say Issac's paintings. They need to be understood and interpreted. This actually gives the writers a lot more freedom in crafting the future, so it's a pretty good idea I think.
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i just watched the first two eps and this shit is pretty terrible. also overwrought as fuck
am i.... am i even human...? ahahahah seriously man it was FRIGHTFULLY CLOSE to ff9. it was pretty embarrassing to watch; i don't remember it being so melodramatic!
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am i.... am i even human...? ahahahah seriously man it was FRIGHTFULLY CLOSE to ff9. it was pretty embarrassing to watch; i don't remember it being so melodramatic!
its pretty terrible that i thought of vivi when she was getting all emo and shit
but yeah, the show isnt completely horrible yet in my opinion, im just waiting for it to turn into the 4400 some more, then I'll write it off
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I kind of liked the premiere. Other than Sylar having aquired claires powers in the first fucking episode of the new season.
That just struck me as a hasted plotline development..
The characters are rather interesting. The story makes little sense, but just enough to enjoy it.
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I kind of liked the premiere. Other than Sylar having aquired claires powers in the first fucking episode of the new season.
That just struck me as a hasted plotline development..
I wouldn't say it's hasted. It's been waiting to happen since season 1...
Pretty cool that the first power Peter absorbed in the first season was his mother's power of dream propheting or whatever.
Also, if Nikki/Jessica is in fact this new persona, then perhaps Nikki's original power isn't super strength. Maybe she has adaptive powers that shift to reflect her dillema. She was es-ploded in that fire, that might cause her to fracture off into this new flash-freezing power.
Mohinder... I think he's turning into a man-cockroach. Then he'll have to hurry in finding a power-cure to stop the monstrosity. They simply can't take our the science element of the show. Even if it's totally bogus.
Future Peter as an anti-hero/villain is pretty sweet. If he used that body-merging power on Peter, then it's only a matter of time until Pete uses the power himself to exit the body.
What else...
Oh, Linderman. I think he and the other healers are truly immortal. Like, down to the soul. That would also explain what Sylar said. Their ghost would remain behind if the body died. Linderman's power is healing, which would be how Nathan survived. Perhaps there's a spiritual link between Linderman's ghost and Nathan now. We'll have to see about that one.
I like that Sylar's pretty much lost a huge chunk of his powers. He seems to have only telepathy and his base-power of power analysing. So, he's been knocked down a notch sure. He's still one hell of a sweet character. Now immortal! Yay!
Am I missing anything? Oh well if I am. Monday is creeping closer, so---many new questions and theories will arise then.
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Hey what if it isn't linderman's ghost that is haunting nathan but someone like parkman is making him see liderman to manipulate him etc?
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Maybe... I think it's possible that Future Peter healed Nathan, and he's just having hallucinations.
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I think he's real. Nathan thought that person was Nikki and Linderman said that it wasn't. If it were a hallucination, why would he doubt himself and come to two different conclusions. Maybe this is why Healers are so powerful, they don't really die. It could be Matts dad doing it though or maybe that chick that could make you see whatever she wanted you to, I guess. Did Sylar kill her and take her power? I can't remember.
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Yeah, he did.
Nathan most likely wasn't sure, since she didn't act like Nikki or anything like that.
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Yeah, he did.
Nathan most likely wasn't sure, since she didn't act like Nikki or anything like that.
No he didn't. The creator of the show specifically said Sylar didn't get her power.
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...What? No Sylar and no female was in that post.
EDIT: Oh he was talking about Candice. But in the future episode he made an illusion of being Nathan as the president, so...
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Wasn't that the future that didn't happen?
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too many timelines... even those timeline strings that Peter/Hiro mess with in Isaacs apartment give me a headache.
Prediction: This season wont matter because they'll go back in time next season and start over. :fogetlaugh:
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I think whenever you deal with TIME shifts, you have too much power. If ANYTHING goes wrong, you can always go back and start over. True there is that "butterfly effect" but you can always go back to the point RIGHT before when something bad happened.
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Yeah butterfly effect, like that movie... forgot it's name. But even though Ashton Kutcher went back multiple times it never really worked out right.
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Yeah butterfly effect, like that movie... forgot it's name. But even though Ashton Kutcher went back multiple times it never really worked out right.
"The Butterfly Effect"
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fuck hide tags.
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Ok, Claire's dad wants to find Sylar's weakness, but he was standing right next to his weakness. Take away his powers, gun to his head. Unless being invincible can't be taken away. Peter has the Haitian's power also right? Man when future Peter came back and took Peter out of the body, I thought he fucked up everything again.
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Interesting episode... Cool to see Micah's power developing, and the whole deal with Nikki is strange to say the least. Noah and Sylar make an good pair, but what happened with Sylar and Jesse? Did he take his power?
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I don't think he took Jessie's power. Near the end of the episode I thought they had him in handcuffs and put him in a cell, but it might have just been the pyro guy. And I didn't really make out what Angela said to Sylar in the end (or what she gave him, wtf was that?).
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Interesting episode... Cool to see Micah's power developing, and the whole deal with Nikki is strange to say the least. Noah and Sylar make an good pair, but what happened with Sylar and Jesse? Did he take his power?
he held his hand over the computer instead of GRASPING IT WITH ALL HIS WILL OH MY GOD HE IS EVOLVING
the deal with nikki/jessica/other girl i forgot the name of already, kind of got obvious after SAME DOCTOR GAVE BIRTHING and sylar and claire both being placed into homes that are not their own, this show is just becoming some BIG SCIENCE THING
also aztec, she gave him prison clothes, and told him the "we'll see" after he said "I GUESS YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT ME"
this show is getting stupid, but i cant stop watching it
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Well he also CROSS-REFERENCED everything between two people? Last season he was changing traffic lights so...
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Well he also CROSS-REFERENCED everything between two people? Last season he was changing traffic lights so...
i was more impressed with using a cellphone to hack into the cities traffic computer than FINDING INFO ON PEOPLE
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Yeah but he got birth records and all sorts of shit from everywhere without breaking a sweat, while he felt dizzy hacking into some voting machines last season.
Also not touching the computer probably doesn't seem like a big deal but...
edit this is so nerdy
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Heroes is so fucking dumb but I bet I keep watchin it
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its heroes of course its nerdy
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your nerdy
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Argh this series is so dumb...
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Nikki and Tracy are clone sistahs. Where was Mohinder? I want to see him build a coccoon with the south american girl's husk of skin.
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Cause he's a bug, see.
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I haven't been keeping up with heroes so well but what happened to that mcdonalds girl in the hurricane katrina subplot or whatever who could do what she saw on tv
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I'm not sure, she hasn't been featured yet in Season 3. Doubt the writers forgot about her, but she'll probably come back in latOr on.
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I haven't been keeping up with heroes so well but what happened to that mcdonalds girl in the hurricane katrina subplot or whatever who could do what she saw on tv
who cares, she was pretty bland pos character anyway.
who changed the topic title to heros., now it looks lik i cant speel.
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Yeah I'm glad she's not in it anymore I was just wondering
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well she has to come back because i'm pretty sure MICAH or whoever is attached to her subplot too, but yea
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Aside from Sylar or Peter, who's ability would you like to have the most?
I'd say MICAH, just cause it'd be the most practical. Infinite money via ATM. After a while, really, what could flying or zapping people via BLUE FLAMES or BLUE LIGHTNING, be? Reading people's thoughts would be fun forever, but not too helpful. ...cept maybe in a test, haha.
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man, reading peoples' minds would be very, very helpful. i dont really care about the question because i cant keep that shit straight anyway, but yeah reading minds is great. i mean blackmail alone would probably be a lot more profitable than stealing a grand out of an atm every once in a while (thats a v conspicuous thing to do btw). it's pretty practical though if you think about all the things you could do if you knew what people around you actually thought all the time. like you could coast through school and get a really good job and probably coast through that too, and so on
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Mind control/read minds: Pretty practical and for my profession it would help a bit. Though I do have trouble with the fact, that I might get to know things, I don't want to know and I don't like to have people do actions against their own will.
Time travel/teleportation: Pretty much one of the most practical powers next to mind control/read minds. It makes you able to do a lot of things with your time, that normal people can't. Also, it very handy if you're late for work.
Telekinese/flight: Pretty much one of the coolest powers around in the universe of heroes (I putted flight here, because I have to opinion that if you can move stuff with your mind, you can also move yourself). It's handy to grap a beer or stop someone from flight.
Pyrokynese/Electric control: Most practical if you are a brutal serialkiller fighters, but in my case I would just want to use this, to get hot cups of coffee and light sigarets and give electricity to stuff, when there isn't a source in the area.
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whats a sigarets? I'd rather have telekenesis/flight. You could practically go anywhere and do anything. And you could probably be there very fast depending on how fast you can move yourself with your mind. You'd be invincible having a telekenetic shield around you constantly and you'd be good at every sport.
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whats a sigarets? I'd rather have telekenesis/flight. You could practically go anywhere and do anything. And you could probably be there very fast depending on how fast you can move yourself with your mind. You'd be invincible having a telekenetic shield around you constantly and you'd be good at every sport.
Don't blame me for being Dutch please.
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:)
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whats a sigarets? I'd rather have telekenesis/flight. You could practically go anywhere and do anything. And you could probably be there very fast depending on how fast you can move yourself with your mind. You'd be invincible having a telekenetic shield around you constantly and you'd be good at every sport.
unless telekinesis/flying also burned calories you would get really really fat
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super strength.
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Bob's "turn everything into gold whenever you want" power would be sweet. You could still lead a relatively normal life, just not have to worry about money at all! Plus it wouldn't involve anything illegal like taking money away from ATMs, etc.
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Invisibility would be cool I think. I'd use it for evil purposes only.
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Hmm, okay, I guess reading minds would be cool. Might drive you insane, but pretty cool. Also, people would always go "yeah, that guy just stares blankly into nothing every now and then, and then looks at you weird..."
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Man Matt's power for sure. He's got the potential for so many powers: mind reading (his), going through memories and thoughts (future his), mental communication (his from like one scene), "mental suggestion" (his), trapping people in their own minds (his dad's), and presumably erasing memories and perhaps nullifying other powers (the haitian's), making people feel high or depressed (the haitian's dad's, from the comics), and illusions and stuff (Candice's). I'm just assuming that since we've seen him do so much, he's basically got a fuckton of freedom with his telepathy.
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Man this series went to shit :( First season was epic because the writing was much better, and the whole thing with the powers was much more mysterious and handled much better. Now, it's all about like SUPERHERO PRISON BREAK and completely retarted drama. (Why do you want to fight!!! oh and the whole thing with Mohinder and the mexican gal is just awkwardly bad) Plus it seems every goddamn american show ever turns into some people fighting some secret organization or government agency. And what the fuck is up with all the fucking politics? Who thought "hey let's slap politics into a show about superheroes trying to save the earth".
Yeah all the tension, action and epic went out of the show and now it's all about drama, politics and horrible disaster #3.
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Idk man the whole old people secret society is kind of a cool thing. Also, man this past episode was pretty good. I haven't watched it yet.
edit: Ok, the whole future Sylar scene was pretty cool, but the special effects throughout the whole episode were pretty shit. Nathan flying and saving Nikki's twin looked soooo fake.
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I don't know why the producers of this show can't get the flying right. It has always looked absolutely ridiculous when they show characters flying slowly (the one time it looked ok was when Nathan took off flying suddenly when confronted by HRG/Noah in season 1.) Yeah, it looked terrible in season 2 (with that annoying guy Claire liked) and it looked terrible again last night. It's almost as if the writers can't decide whether flying should be done ala Superman or Peter Pan...
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why did they have to bring back nikki as another character
why
just someone tell me please
she is even MORE BORING than the original
help me
i hate this show
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Why was Sylars son named Noah? Oh, I just got why, it's cause he and Noah worked together. Also at first I thought Parkmans'(Pacmans) wife was Elle, then she ran fast and I was like "oh".
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I like the idea that Sylar got a power to steal life from people, and took Noah's age away, so that's actually Noah except a kid now.--well, dead now.
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Holy shit that would've been cool. I mean, wow, they never mentioned a wife or anything. That's totally plausible and awesome.
EDIT: holy shit!
god I cant stop thinking about this!
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Nah they were both killed, says so in the graphic novel. Cool idea though!
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So does the graphic novel basically cover the episodes in more detail or what?
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They usually show things that happen before or after, or sometimes during, the episodes. For example, the most recent one showed Future Alternate Claire and why she wants to kill Peter so badly now.
Over the summer, though, there were entirely new story lines, which were pretty cool. A LOT of new people have been introduced through them, and sometimes even vaguely referenced in the show. It's interesting how much work is put into these things.
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why did they have to bring back nikki as another character
why
just someone tell me please
she is even MORE BORING than the original
help me
i hate this show
I wonder when the thirth comes up.
If you ask me why? I did hear the dokter mentioning "triplets" right?
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Yeah, he said her name too. I forget what it was...
So the comic is still going, eh? Cool, I'll have to check that shit out sometime. Some of the old ones were kind of... Out there. Like there was that one with Nathan being a super hero. Didn't quite understand where that fit in, and the one with Claire getting out of the car after having it crash bugged me as well.
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I'm pretty sure he mentions Jessica and Nikki as the others, and they're both dead.
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also in the first season nikki was visiting jessica's grave
granted tracy is a pretty shitty character but it makes sense
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I'm pretty sure he mentions Jessica and Nikki as the others, and they're both dead.
No the other one was called Barbara, Jessica was separate from the triplets.
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I think all three of them where split up, since Tracy doesn't know who Barbara is.
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I seriously dislike Nikki. Her characters suck, enough with the DEVELOPMENT of her character already. I've had enough of her going "Oh My God! WHO AM I?!" nonsense.
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I wonder if anyone else is wondering this, but doesn't Heroes seem like its going around in circles. I mean why not simply explain thing, It just keeps compounding and leaving things unanswered. If things keep going this way it will end up like Prison Break.
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Yeah, I disliked Nikki as well. Glad hey ended that story arc, now if they can do something about Claire, whose story is worse. Say teenage drama bull crao every week.
Well they do answer question, but for everyone they answer they ask atleast two more.
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I wonder if anyone else is wondering this, but doesn't Heroes seem like its going around in circles. I mean why not simply explain thing, It just keeps compounding and leaving things unanswered. If things keep going this way it will end up like Prison Break.
Prison Break is far less convoluted than Heroes. It's goal per season is fairly straight forward, but they still make it extreme and suspenseful. PB is my favorite!
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I'm actually liking the new season. Better than the last one but nowhere near the first. I was hooked to the series after watching the second episode of the first season.
I liked seeing Sylar's future. I just hope Noah is actually his son and not the original who's regressed back to childhood. I'm also left wondering if they'll ever do anything about the Irish girl stuck in the future...
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I liked seeing Sylar's future. I just hope Noah is actually his son and not the original who's regressed back to childhood. I'm also left wondering if they'll ever do anything about the Irish girl stuck in the future...
that future ceased to exist
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Oh yeah... They should at least show Peter feeling guilty of that. The show basically forgot about her.
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that future ceased to exist
That part has been bugging me. So since that future she should no longer exist, but when Hiro did the whole travel back think in season one, Ando was still aware of both continuities, one with Charlie being murdered by Sylar and the other by a tumor. So maybe she will just merge with the current future.
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I am enjoying this new season, but I can not be the only on who is fed up with Claire. Future Claire is, for lack of a better word, a cunt. They are trying to make her a hardass, but without any useful powers she just looks dumb. While Present Claire is a puddle of emotion that is annoying as hell. The whole Future has been bugging me, why the hell does Future Peter have the same scar. Since Hiro went into the future, wouldn't that have changed the events, however in Season 3 Future Peter still has a scar.
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I am enjoying this new season, but I can not be the only on who is fed up with Claire. Future Claire is, for lack of a better word, a cunt. They are trying to make her a hardass, but without any useful powers she just looks dumb. While Present Claire is a puddle of emotion that is annoying as hell. The whole Future has been bugging me, why the hell does Future Peter have the same scar. Since Hiro went into the future, wouldn't that have changed the events, however in Season 3 Future Peter still has a scar.
About Claire in a few post above I agreed that I'm tired of her story arcs, all the same teenage drama. And for Peter's scar he souldn't have it but the prolly kept it so people could tell them apart.
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that future ceased to exist
No it didn't. So far that is the New Future, after Future Peter went back in time to shoot Nathan. He was from a future where mutants were hunted and experimented on. In the New Future, the syrum was made, and everyone has powers.
The show will of course be about stopping the New Future and Old Future from happening, but so far, the New Future is where everyone has powers and Sylar hashad a son.
Don't forget... Before Matt had his dream about New Future (last episode), the Painter repainted the future, as it had changed.
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No it didn't. So far that is the New Future, after Future Peter went back in time to shoot Nathan. He was from a future where mutants were hunted and experimented on. In the New Future, the syrum was made, and everyone has powers.
The show will of course be about stopping the New Future and Old Future from happening, but so far, the New Future is where everyone has powers and Sylar hashad a son.
Don't forget... Before Matt had his dream about New Future (last episode), the Painter repainted the future, as it had changed.
She was trapped in the future where the virus was released.
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Yeah, I don't see how she can come back from the future that got pretty much erased. I wish the didnt make future Claire all *dyes hair black* emo.
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Prison Break is far less convoluted than Heroes. It's goal per season is fairly straight forward, but they still make it extreme and suspenseful. PB is my favorite!
Amen!
Heroes is the show that just keeps going around in circles:
Season 1 - Save the cheerleader, save the world. (Prevent bomb explosion)
Season 2 - Prevent shanti virus release
Season 2 - Prevent formula distribution
I'm beginning to feel like I'm watching the same thing over and over again. Will we ever see a plot line that doesn't involve saving the world? Season 1 worked well because it had other things like the discovery of one's own power and had that affected personal life, as well as characters meeting up with one another. Season 2 was an epic failure. They built up these first generation heroes so much and then failed to deliver. It looked like things were going to be different but in the end it came back to square one. (Ok, so the writer's strike happened so I can cut them some slack... however...) now, in season 3 it seems like everyone is a-ok with their power and can't wait to use it to save the world and be a hero... BORING.
Is this show trying to teach us that no matter how often they try to change anything that it'll end up being the same anyway? :rolleyes:
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Will we ever see a plot line that doesn't involve saving the world?
It's a super hero show, Mateui.
If comic books couldn't get past it for the past 20 years, don't expect this show to do it either.
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mateui how can you watch braindead garbage like survivor simultaneously post harsh critiques of heroes?? heroes is a shitty show pretty much and everything you said about it was valid but i am detecting some inconsistency in standards here!
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mateui how can you watch braindead garbage like survivor simultaneously post harsh critiques of heroes?? heroes is a shitty show pretty much and everything you said about it was valid but i am detecting some inconsistency in standards here!
The thing is - Survivor has no script. I watch it to see different personalities interact and interplay. It's a physical, social, and mental game between 16-18 strangers all with a common goal, but only one winner. It's like watching a psychology experiment. Heroes on the other hand has a script, so I'm judging it on a different standard. I think that's fair.
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I bet you believe them when they call big brother a social experiment too :laugh:
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I bet you believe them when they call big brother a social experiment too :laugh:
No, Big Brother is a social trainwreck....... and I LOVE IT!
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I'm pretty sure he mentions Jessica and Nikki as the others, and they're both dead.
Not Jessica, the other triplet was called Barbara.No, Big Brother is a social trainwreck....... and I LOVE IT!
҉ :gwa:
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MUH MUH MUH MISTER PETRELLI?????!?!?!?! :FOGETGASP: :FOGETSHOCK:
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that episode was one of the better ones this season. Mohinder is a bad guy? and Matts dad is.. wait is Matt's dad projecting Linderman into Nathan and Daphne's minds? what a twist
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that episode was one of the better ones this season. Mohinder is a bad guy? and Matts dad is.. wait is Matt's dad projecting Linderman into Nathan and Daphne's minds? what a twist
Ok, now that we know that Linderman is in fact still dead, how did Nathan miraculously heal then?
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Well. Peter was around him when he woke up and was healed, maybe Peter did it subconsiously. I thought that people who were invincible could manipulate there power to heal other people.
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Well. Peter was around him when he woke up and was healed, maybe Peter did it subconsiously. I thought that people who were invincible could manipulate there power to heal other people.
When have we seen that though? Claire can't heal other people, and neither can Adam. Linderman did heal other people, but he didn't have the power to heal himself. I don't think we've ever seen anyone who could heal themselves AND other people. I don't remember Peter interacting with Linderman, so unless I'm misremembering from season 1 I don't think he had to chance to absorb his power.
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I don't know, I remember in the first or second season. Someone saying that powers could evolve and people who heal themselves could heal others. We did think that Linderman could do both until it was revealed he wasn't really alive.
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Linderman was one the orginal 12 and good friends with Arthur Petreli, seems likely that he's met Peter before, who could mimic it.
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What the fuck, I started watching this and it's all fucking, LOOK I'M BLACK I'M A DRUG DEALER.
HOLY SHIT HIRO KILLED ANDO WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS SHOW ARE YOU SERIOUS
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i thought future peter healed him after he shot him so he didnt have to kill his brother
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What the fuck, I started watching this and it's all fucking, LOOK I'M BLACK I'M A DRUG DEALER.
HOLY SHIT HIRO KILLED ANDO WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH THIS SHOW ARE YOU SERIOUS
There are some youtube videos of them filming heroes that shows that it was a trick
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There is one thing I'm confused about...That guy who's power is based on other people's fear... how does he make them scared in the first place... with out fear he is just a normal guy so why be scared of him? His power is weak... aren't there characters that have super strength all the time already?
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Hey guys, fuck your spoiler tags :fogetcool:! I think Hiro did his whole time stopping thing and like switched his sword with a sword that had a broken tip and put fake blood on him or something. Hiro wouldn't just kill ando. for the lulz Also how would we have future Ando with Jedi Knight II/III Drain if he died?
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There is one thing I'm confused about...That guy who's power is based on other people's fear... how does he make them scared in the first place... with out fear he is just a normal guy so why be scared of him? His power is weak... aren't there characters that have super strength all the time already?
Same goes for the magneto dude, telekinesis is way more powerfull than the magnetic crap. And the puppet dude with Clairs mom (which is a weaker power as mind control). The new shown powers are just weaker.
What is unknown to me however are these three things.
- In the comics mr. petrelli didn't seem to have powers. Addition to that I must look at the comic again to see if he got hurt and Lindermann didn't heal him again.
- The Hiro vs Ando thing is really weird to, but does give a good reason why Ando teasered him in the future.
- They fuck around with Sylars powers, first he got them back, then he didn't and now he seemed to lost his advanced hearing.
Also, could somebody please explain how Nathan was healed. It seemed that future Peter revealed that he didn't heal Nathan (in a convo with Angala). One thing is for sure, I'm going to reread the comic about mr. Petrelli and the first episode in which Nathan was healed.
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dude sylar still has enhanced hearing, how else would he know noah wanted to kill him
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Yeah during that scene where he wanted the portal guy to kill Sylar I'm like,"Dude, he's hearing everything you're saying right now." I think it would've been cool if the portal guy did use his portal on Sylar, but Sylar just got teleported to some remote place with all the other things that ever got sucked into the portal.
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they aren't portals, they're black holes. he would die.
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the hunger....theh unger......
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If they say it's a black hole in the comic fine, but I'm pretty sure they just referred to the things as "portals" in the show.
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That guy was such a martyr.
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That guy was such a martyr.
he was such a..... hero. :cry:
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If they say it's a black hole in the comic fine, but I'm pretty sure they just referred to the things as "portals" in the show.
I'm pretty sure the word they used was vortex according to his level 5 file, and Claire's real mum said she was worried because it would be something Claire wouldn't be able to recover from. I don't know why it even matters though, the vortex power was just a plot device and the guy killed himself by the end of the episode.
There is one thing I'm confused about...That guy who's power is based on other people's fear... how does he make them scared in the first place... with out fear he is just a normal guy so why be scared of him? His power is weak... aren't there characters that have super strength all the time already?
He doesn't make them scared. If you recall, this is why he was weak against Sylar, because he knew how the power worked and was not afraid. But how could the kid not be afraid from the whole situation? Remember he's not a weakling without fear, he's just not super strong. He gets the fear going by attacking, and as the victim becomes instinctively scared he becomes even stronger. At least that's my interpretation.
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Hey guys, fuck your spoiler tags :fogetcool:! I think Hiro did his whole time stopping thing and like switched his sword with a sword that had a broken tip and put fake blood on him or something. Hiro wouldn't just kill ando. for the lulz Also how would we have future Ando with Jedi Knight II/III Drain if he died?
Impossible. Daphne was there, and Hiro's powers don't stop her. She would have noticed if he had done something like that.
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But... but, it's not like Hiro to just stab his friend like that. I mean even if it is a plot device to show that he betrays Ando or whatever, he just wouldn't just stab Ando and kill him like that, there has to be something more to it. Maybe if he got all "I let down my father for letting this formula get out, and nothing will stop me from getting the formula back :emo:", but he was all happy-go-lucky like the whole time.
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Impossible. Daphne was there, and Hiro's powers don't stop her. She would have noticed if he had done something like that.
Thats only if Hiro stops time, he could've teleported somewhere else after touching the blade to Ando then made the swap and teleported back... But I'm suggesting a way too specific scenario, we'll just have to wait and see. :X
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man i'm watching this show and it just gets worse and worse. i mean it, this last episode was LAUGHABLY BAD and this is some of the worst plotting i have ever seen in anything that progresses in story arcs. it is like a show where they're going off the air and the writers are in a blind panic except... i don't think that's happening so i guess they're all just a bunch of hacks.
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man i'm watching this show and it just gets worse and worse. i mean it, this last episode was LAUGHABLY BAD and this is some of the worst plotting i have ever seen in anything that progresses in story arcs. it is like a show where they're going off the air and the writers are in a blind panic except... i don't think that's happening so i guess they're all just a bunch of hacks.
yeah I agree... but I can't stop watching it...
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the problem with the writing now is that it's just so obvious that they're making shit up as they go along. the first season was good because it felt like it was going somewhere, and it did. the second season was probably intended to go somewhere, but they were trying to do too much (wanted to live up to the hype of the first) and coupled with the writer's strike, it just ended up sucking horribly. and now, in the third season, they're just ROLLING WITH IT and crapping out each episode as they go along.
i thought the MAURY IS BEHIND LINDERMAN was a really fucking nice twist and I instantly thought "hey wow maybe this is better than I expected" and then they revealed the LOL PETER'S DAD ISNT DEAD and that was just seriously LAZY and killed any hope that i had.
i mean i'll still be watching the show because it's ENTERTAINING (as long as it's nopt on Nikki/tracy/whoeverthefuckshe'sareallybadcharacter) but it's just VERY POORLY PLOTTED and very poorly written nowadays
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yea i think it would have been much better if maury went rogue or something
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i thought the MAURY IS BEHIND LINDERMAN was a really fucking nice twist
I thought it was too predictable!
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- In the comics mr. petrelli didn't seem to have powers. Addition to that I must look at the comic again to see if he got hurt and Lindermann didn't heal him again.
Yea he wasn't shown to have any powers however, like Nathan and the rest perhaps his powers were not activated until after what we see in the comic.
- The Hiro vs Ando thing is really weird to, but does give a good reason why Ando teasered him in the future.
I don't think that matters, isn't the future changed now. I mean Hiro is a dumbass and can't put two and two together. Because of that he is acting of what he has seen in the future, but since Future Peter came to the past and fucked things up, wouldn't the future events change as well?
- They fuck around with Sylars powers, first he got them back, then he didn't and now he seemed to lost his advanced hearing.
I don't think he has advanced Hearing, I just think Sylar understood what was going on. Why else would the guy who they were sent to capture kill himself. I mean if you saw your partner talking to some one from a far, and both him and the guy he was taking to were looking at you, you would think something is up. Especially since your partner is pointing a gun to the back of a dangerous super human.
Also, could somebody please explain how Nathan was healed. It seemed that future Peter revealed that he didn't heal Nathan (in a convo with Angala).
I think it may have to do with Adam Monroe's blood. If I remember correctly it healed him the first time, perhaps Peter still possesses a bit of healing capabilities, as Mohinder was able to obtain abilities from Maya's blood.
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There is one thing I'm confused about...That guy who's power is based on other people's fear... how does he make them scared in the first place... with out fear he is just a normal guy so why be scared of him? His power is weak... aren't there characters that have super strength all the time already?
His super strength is supposedly stronger than Nicky's when he sucks up enough fear.
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Good grief, so many things going on! Like seriously...
-Peter is trying SOMETHING to fix the future, and somehow needed to know how THINGS worked to get it done... I don't understand really... but he's in a coma
-Ando is DEAD?! That was strange... one second Hiro is like "we gotta have Heart! And save the world!" next second, "KILL ANDO!"
-Clair's mom is fighting a dude with the ability to MIRROR IMAGE his enemies? (creative power)
-Mohinder... what is he up to! Webbing people around like that!
-Clair and Sylar and the Noah Bennet are after the escaped Level 5 guys are still on the loose, how many are there?
-Matt Parker is in Africa, looking at the future! Where's this going?
-The speedster has teamed with with FEAR MAN and Hiro to gather Mr. Petrelli's army! Insane!
-Nathan and Tracy are trying to figure out their purpose... what's the mom hiding?!
-Whatever happened to Electricity Girl? Not to mention Claire's flying boyfriend from season 2? And Noah... of the future?
As you can see, this show is having 9, NINE, subplots occuring simultaneously. And I might have missed one or two!
These episodes of Season 3 are really doing something odd: they're taking protagonists to the story, and making them antagonists:
-Peter seems to have become a villian of sorts
-Sylar seems to have become a good guy, ...or atleast on the PATH of doing so.
-Hiro just killed Ando... he can't be a villian can he?
-Mohinder has totally lost it!
And now it seems to main big bad guy is Peter's father... I'm hooked on the show, but yes, it's definitely going haywire!
man i'm watching this show and it just gets worse and worse. i mean it, this last episode was LAUGHABLY BAD and this is some of the worst plotting i have ever seen in anything that progresses in story arcs. it is like a show where they're going off the air and the writers are in a blind panic except... i don't think that's happening so i guess they're all just a bunch of hacks.
Despite the show being difficult to follow, I'm sure the writers know where they're going with each episode. It'll take some time for it to all culminate. I felt like this when I was watching LOST, with it's million and one mysteries! They're slowly explaining things, and they'll do so here as well. It's just how complex shows are. When you have 30 main characters, it can't NOT get insane like this.
Also, on a side note, Brea Grant, who plays Daphne (Speedster) looks a LOT like one of my friends!
(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080822/freshfaces/brea-grant-heroes_l.jpg)
(http://photos-f.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v134/225/97/4709309/n4709309_32366469_9079.jpg)
If she changed her hairstyle, she could be a double!
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These episodes of Season 3 are really doing something odd: they're taking protagonists to the story, and making them antagonists:
-Peter seems to have become a villian of sorts
-Sylar seems to have become a good guy, ...or atleast on the PATH of doing so.
-Hiro just killed Ando... he can't be a villian can he?
-Mohinder has totally lost it!
Hence the name of this season.
Villains.
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OoOo, haha I totally forgot about the title of the volume. I guess when I first saw it, I was entirely fixated on the idea they'd be introducing brand new villains (some of which they do).
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-Mohinder... what is he up to! Webbing people around like that!
This is so funny
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This is so funny
thats all you find funny??
did you read the whole post it was hilarious
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I think Hiro did his whole time stopping thing and like switched his sword with a sword that had a broken tip and put fake blood on him or something. Hiro wouldn't just kill ando.
HAhaha, yes! I knew he wouldn't kill Ando. But why didn't Daphne see him do it?
poor Adam :(
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Guess he got better at it...
Peter's dad has got an interesting power, even if it's very similar to Peter's and Sylar/Gabe's. Speaking of which, I'm liking Sylar a lot more as a character now that he's straddling the good-or-evil thing.
Anyone catch a good glimpse at the four villains in the African guy's hut?
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making peter's dad almost exactly like rogue is an interesting way to take the empath category. those three (sylar/peter/arthur) and claire/adam are probably the strongest heroes we've seen so far, but i am wondering if they'll make anyone stronger
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Except he takes your powers forever. I was gonna say that Sylar would sacrifice himself and let Peter open his head and get all those powers again, but... he doesn't even have Sylar's power anymore. Damn I didn't see that coming. I guess Sylar will have to be the hero. God, Mr. Petrelli can't die unless Mohinder or someone actually comes out with a cure and injects him with it.
(sylar/peter/arthur)
Yeah, I didn't even put the connection together that there powers are similar until now.
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i actually wouldn't be surprised if peter still had sylar's power (maybe that is why it was needed?), because it has more to do with the brain than like dna or whatever the other ones are based off of. i'm also wondering if he still has his empath powers
either that or mr petrelli has the hunger thing now
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(http://img2.timeinc.net/ew/dynamic/imgs/080822/freshfaces/brea-grant-heroes_l.jpg)
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.farscape-germany.de/BilderCharaktere/Chiana/Chiana9.jpeg)
imo
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i actually wouldn't be surprised if peter still had sylar's power (maybe that is why it was needed?), because it has more to do with the brain than like dna or whatever the other ones are based off of. i'm also wondering if he still has his empath powers
either that or mr petrelli has the hunger thing now
Well, I read some articles on HeroWiki that Sylar's powers were never detected. When he was examinated they only found his Telekinetic powers.
It could be possible that Peter still has the Sylar power indeed.
Was it just me btw, or did Peter had better control of his power this episode.
Whatever it is, I love this show more and more, loose ends are about to fit in the context.
Btw, was I the only one who expected that Arthur had these kind of powers?
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I had no idea Arthur could steal your powers. I just thought he had some kind of fear inducing power that made you obey him. Oh snap, I guess he can go back in time now also.
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I had no idea Arthur could steal your powers. I just thought he had some kind of fear inducing power that made you obey him. Oh snap, I guess he can go back in time now also.
Well, the minute it was clear that everyone was scared for him (even Adam) made me think of his ability. When it was said that Sylar and Peter were brothers and even more important, Nathan didn't have any powers to begin with, it was easy to do some calculations.
It makes it pretty obvious, when you think about the fact that Peter and Sylar, both have powers that involve gaining powers from other people, that their father should have something similar to that too.
The only thing I'm still wondering about, is the when and how he discovered his powers. It wasn't mentioned in the comics.
An other minor edit: Doesn't Arthur wants all those people to gather their abilities to. It would make sence that when he doesn't need the people anymore, he steals the powers.
Next to that, why did Adam die? Yes, he lost his ability, but at that point he still had his young cells in him. It would make more sence if he would just age from that moment on.
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Maybe they'll have a flashback episode that goes over all the stuff the oldbies did in the past and why Mr.Petrelli turned evil and crap. I say they end up disabling him and using him to take away powers of people who don't want there powers, like Mohinder wanted to do.
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Next to that, why did Adam die? Yes, he lost his ability, but at that point he still had his young cells in him. It would make more sence if he would just age from that moment on.
like i said before, i think arthur's power is almost exactly like rogue's from xmen, in that when he touches people he kills them and takes their power, but he is still able to take their power while almost killing them, and then he can let go and they get better
i'm wondering if the transfer is temporary like rogues or not, but it seems that his isn't.
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I think the reason Adam died and turned into a zombie/skeleton/dust is because he's like a thousand years old. And the only reason he was still alive and young looking was all because of his powers. so when his powers were taken away, he aged to his thousand year old age almost instantly. I don't think Arthur can kill people by absorbing their power unless its a circumstance like Adams.
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he's just 400
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Adam is a great character and they killed him!
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I can't believe how stupid Peter Petrelli is!!!!!!! Couldn't he just use sylar's power and figure out what his dad was going to do???
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I can't believe how stupid Peter Petrelli is!!!!!!! Couldn't he just use sylar's power and figure out what his dad was going to do???
Man, he thought his father died, didn't know he was alive. He didn't know what his powers were (if he had any) and I think he was confused alltrough.
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Why doesnt Hero just freeze time when he decides to actually play the part of a hero, and same with peter... why didnt peter just freeze time, walk into the building filled with his dad and villains and take his time to look around and scope the place out.
If Hero decides he needs to find someone, or get something done then I dont understand why he doesnt freeze time and do what ever he needs getting done while time is frozen... Anyways I still love the show!
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Why doesnt Hero just freeze time when he decides to actually play the part of a hero, and same with peter... why didnt peter just freeze time, walk into the building filled with his dad and villains and take his time to look around and scope the place out.
If Hero decides he needs to find someone, or get something done then I dont understand why he doesnt freeze time and do what ever he needs getting done while time is frozen... Anyways I still love the show!
*Hiro.
Peter apparently never uses the freeze shit anymore.
Also it's kinda obvious he was angry and shit and didn't feel like thinking.
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Yeah i get he was upset but he was smart enough to become invis when walking into the building... why not just simply freeze time?
Half the time it seems the characters with lots of powers only ever use the same 3-4.. when theres another power they have which would be more effective in the situation.
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It would be a nice turn-out if Adam was actually one of the good guys all along.
Think about it. He knew Peter Petrelli and his powers and his plan to become ultimate evil.
Adam was locked up for a time (maybe preventing that Arthur could get his hands on him).
And after that he tried to release the Shanti virus, which if I recall correctly, takes powers away (getting rid of power resources for Arthur).
It would be so nice if they putted in this twist.
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And after that he tried to release the Shanti virus, which if I recall correctly, takes powers away (getting rid of power resources for Arthur).
I thought that virus in the last season just killed regular people and would only leave people with strong enough abilities to survive its effects like Adam himself could... Hmm maybe I should re-watch the last season lol
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I could've sworn someone else had a freezing power, like before the triplet showed up. It might have been either future peter or sylar. If it was future Peter that had freezing, he must've gotten it from the triplet, but he hasn't even met her yet and can't copy powers anymore. Maybe future Peter gets his dads ability and stole all those powers. idk
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Sylar got the freezing ability from an unknown victim and used it to kill Molly Walker's dad.
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@aztec: Yea Sylar had Freezing in one of the alternate futures as well, so that future ceases to exist.
Oh, I forgot he also had it in Season 1 I guess if he used it to kill Molly's dad.
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Ah, that's what it was. I guess there can be people with the same power, like Isaac and Africa guy.
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Or like... Claire and Adam...?
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Yeah, but Adams power is a little more advanced than Claires. He doesn't age. We don't know if Claire doesn't age though I guess.
"Adam Monroe seems to have lived for centuries without aging significantly. Angela Petrelli confirms that this is an effect of his ability (Cautionary Tales)"
I don't think Nathan is actually part of the family, he might be adopted. Arthur passed on his power stealing abilities to Peter and Sylar by way of passing his genes to them probably. But Nathans ability is flight, and his power was given to him. Claire probably got her power from given to her by them taking Adams blood and extracting the DNA from it or whatever and implanting it in her.
So it seems the person with the initial power has a more powerful form of the power, and those who get the powers from the initial person (by the powers being given to them, or by way of genetics) is more diluted.
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the powers given to people are completely unpredictable though, as evidenced with mohinder and niki/tracy. also im pretty sure claire was born with her power, she also would eventually get to a point where she doesnt age, maybe she is just at that point right now and we dont know
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Mohinder can't really be included, since he didn't really perfect the powers. Do we know who Claire's real father is? I totally forgot a bunch of stuff from the past 2 seasons, but I don't remember them saying who the father was. Maybe it was Adam and she got her genes from him? That would hold up to the family genetic power stuff.
But... your theory of Sylars ability not really being a power might hold true. When he first went to Mohinder he was told he didn't have any powers. Peter might just end up crackin' his skull open and getting his powers back.
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Haha, aztec, even if you didn't remember the first two seasons you could have known that.
Claire is the daughter of Nathan Patrelli and Meredith.
She called Peter, uncle more than one occassion this season.
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You know, I was think about Nathan being her dad like during all these posts, I guess it just slipped my mind. just tryin' to hard to piece things together.
god i have a horrible memory
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I have a theory towards the intention of peters dad now that ive seen his powers.... Im guessing he may want to allow everyone in the world to recieve powers so he can then steal any unique and powerfull abilities which may show up in someone... 6 billion people in the world, hes bound to find a few extremely powerful abilties.. Maybe he has some sort of god complex and hopes to gain enough powefull abilities to make him god-like?
Im guessing he doesnt plan on destroying the world by giving powers to normal individuals but with so many potential possible powerfull abilities which could appear he may just lose control of what he intends to do thus opening earth up to a world full of people with powers.
Anyway im sure we will find out in the next few episodes...
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I thought it was interesting that Mr Patrelli could read minds. Remember how back in season 1 Mrs Patrelli seemed to understand Parkman's ability - what if Mr Patrelli stole her own mind reading ability? :O
dun dun dun
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Wait, did they mention or show Peter's dad before sometime? Or was the end of the last episode his first appearance/mention?
My memory's bad, plus this show is convoluted as anything.
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They mentioned in the first season by the mum that their dad killed himself cause he suffered from depression I believe, its only until now in the third season that we had any idea the their dad was still actually alive.
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Maybe Nathan WAS indeed born with abilities, but his father hugged him and they were gone afterward. Then he got the injection and everything was well again.
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AWWW... they killed Adam, and he was like, the only good thing to come out of the second season and he's a interesting character...
Yeah I watched the latest episode a bit later than everyone else.
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Maybe Nathan WAS indeed born with abilities, but his father hugged him and they were gone afterward. Then he got the injection and everything was well again.
The only reasonable explanation to this could be that Nathan has a power like Sylar. Sylar's power was never detected by any markers (they thought he was a Telekinetic). Seeing how powers develop later in life he could be a missing link.
Btw, it's a shame that Mr. Petrelli's power is only working when he touches someone. If not, his telepathic powers wouldn't even have to be his. If his powers worked a little bit diffrent, it could be that Maury was using his power to comunicate with Arthur, being affraid of Arthur.
This would make my theory have more scence in the way that Arthur is just collecting a bunch of people to get their powers. Which results in collecting Matt, solely for this powers, so Maury didn't have to give them to Arthur.
I would love to see how Tracy, Nathan and Matt kick Arthur's ass. In my opinion they make a nice team. I like Tracy (esspecially after she mislead Mohinder in touching her). Nathan was always a smarter character and Matt is just so cudely friendly.
In my opinion it's a shame Peter allways had the save the world. He's pretty stupid, falls for every trick and doesn't seem to notice how stupid he is in every damn situation. It's much like Goku and Naruto, which I also hate, because they act so damn stupid, but because they are so powerfull it doesn't matter.
I'm getting more respect for Claire, because she actually acts more smart as time flows on, she's really growing with her powers. The last episode is a good example for this. I would love to see her walk in with a bombbelth to get rid of some people.
Intelligence > power, in my opinion. I would rather see a smart person use his seemingly useless powers than a dumb person always get away with his mistakes, because he's so damn powerfull.
Only Hiro, in my opinion can act a bit stupid, he's a funny character and doesn't really seem dumb, only a bit childish. Peter however has a bunch of cool powers and allways seem to use them in a wrong way.
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esspecially after she mislead Mohinder in touching her
Mohinder is a dumb mother fucker.
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Im hating Mohinder in this season... what do you guys think is actually going on with him? The people he seems to have webbed(sp) are they dead or possibly still alive?
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I'm getting more respect for Claire, because she actually acts more smart as time flows on, she's really growing with her powers. The last episode is a good example for this. I would love to see her walk in with a bombbelth to get rid of some people.
she does this in one of the comics.
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I've been thinking about Peter getting all his power stripped, and I don't think it makes much sense, since the show made a big deal about him gaining Sylar's power in the futre, so I think he still has Sylars power. Back in season one Chandra Sueresh couldn't detect Sylar's power of intuitive aptitude. When Sylar was capture by the Company they couldn't trace his intial power or any of they aquired powers except for telekinesis. In season 2 when Sylar was infected with the Shanti virus which strips evolved human of their powers, Sylar was unable to use any of his powers except for intuitive aptitude, which is being used when ever you hear his trademark clock ticking noise. So I think Sylars power works differently then the other evolved humans, and thats why it was so important for Peter to aquire this power in the future.
Also, after Sylar was cured from the Shanti virus he was only abe to acess telekiness, all of his other powers were lost. (Hearing, radiation, freezing...) Telekinesis is Sylars first and most used accuired power. So maybe Peter still has one power left.
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No I dont think all of Sylars power were lost after he recieved the Shanti virus, remember when peter heads into the future Sylar after losing his child explodes from the radiation ability he picked up from season 1. Although the timeline has changed, the Shanti virus wouldnt have effected him any differently. At the end of season 2 when sylar injects himself with the antidote, we are left with sylar using his telekinesis to pick up the can as a cliff-hanger signifying he has his powers back..
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Writter confirmed all power Sylar has aqquired have been lost, I should have put the link in my orginal post.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=18281
EDIT: All powers he aquired except telekinesis.
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yea he cured himself from the shanti virus, and he did lose his intuitive aptitude while he had it as shown by him being unable to take candice's power at the beginning of season 2.
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Him not being able to use Candices power is because of the virus, but he can still use aptitude because he knows how her power work he just can't use it. The aptitude also kicks in when he's talking to Derek, the guy with Maya and Alejandro. YOu here the trademark ticking and then he kills him.
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the ticking is just his "theme" used when he is plotting or something. there isnt anything in that sequence that requires the use of his power to understand things at all. nor does he require it when he kills the guy, or multiple other times when the ticking is heard. think of it more as darth vader's imperial march than like "HEY HE IS USING HIS POWER"
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But isn't that what Sylar's power is, it's more then just knowing how powers work, he knows how objects work and possibly even situation. But either way, they dedicated an episode for peter to aquire sylars power, there must have been a reason and it wouldn't make much sense for it it to just be stolen an episode later.
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maybe its all bad writing
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The whole reason Peter was sent to get Sylars power was so it couldn't get taken away by his dad. I mean it's not like he randomly went to the future to get his power, he was told to get his power by someone who knew what would happen if he didn't. Makes sense.
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I think we can maybe assume that future was different than the one happening now, since present Peter has Sylar's ability while future Peter didn't. Guys, it's been established how convoluted and subject to change these future scenes are.
Also I think maybe when Peter gets his powers back, he won't get Sylars, so the writers can make him be a good guy again pretty easily.
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The whole reason Peter was sent to get Sylars power was so it couldn't get taken away by his dad. I mean it's not like he randomly went to the future to get his power, he was told to get his power by someone who knew what would happen if he didn't. Makes sense.
Thats what I'm saying. Sylar's power works differently then everyone elses that why it was needed.
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So will peter have to open someone's skull to steal their powers?
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So will peter have to open someone's skull to steal their powers?
I reckon near the end of this season Peter just might get all his powers back from his dad... he will be killing his dad and recieving his powers back so its a two for one deal.
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Oh shit! I just caught up... After a few weeks of business, finally caught up with all of season 3 in one day... Fun stuff.
Peter only uses his time freezing powers to warp back and forth but doesn't really use it anymore to freeze time... he should, its very useful..
But now that his dad took those away, well that sucks ass... Now his dad actually doesn't need to use his native power to touch someone and take their powers, because now he has Pete's powers where he can just take them from anyone when he's in the vicinity of them..
Pete's dad is now badass, while Pete is just... normal.
Can't believe Mohinder went from the most innocent to one of the most brutal..
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Heres an odd and funny thought ive just had... when peter stood by his father before he hugged him, shouldnt he have absorbed all of his fathers powers including the one to steal someone elses abilities through touch?
Too be completely honest, alot of this season feels like theres alot of gaps and loopholes spread throughout most of the episodes.. e.g. why didnt Hiro simply freeze time when searching for the psychic around his cabin instead of letting him constantly knock him out with a shovel.. c'mon
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Because the more powers you have the less intelligent you are (unless you're sylar)
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I see Peter losing his powers as a way for the writers to save themselves from having to deal with the mess his character has become. They've made the mistake of creating someone way too powerful that it's not fun to watch anymore so this was a necessary move to eliminate that problem. I don't see Peter ever getting all these powers back - perhaps a new power should he get injected but to get them all back would be a pointless move on the writer's part.
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But now that his dad took those away, well that sucks ass... Now his dad actually doesn't need to use his native power to touch someone and take their powers, because now he has Pete's powers where he can just take them from anyone when he's in the vicinity of them..
Yeah I was just thinking about that. Guess he doesn't need Matt anymore since Matt's dad is like in the same room as him. Heh, maybe Mohinder will come in the room and he'll turn into a monster like him.
Also, idk, I think Peter will end up getting at least some powers back. I mean we're pretty sure he still has Sylars power and he doesn't really have control over it, so sooner or later he'll have to kill someone and look at there brain.
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Heres an odd and funny thought ive just had... when peter stood by his father before he hugged him, shouldnt he have absorbed all of his fathers powers including the one to steal someone elses abilities through touch?
Too be completely honest, alot of this season feels like theres alot of gaps and loopholes spread throughout most of the episodes.. e.g. why didnt Hiro simply freeze time when searching for the psychic around his cabin instead of letting him constantly knock him out with a shovel.. c'mon
Good point about Peter. I think he has to witness the power before he can use it and his dad just caught him off guard.
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am the only who was sad that Matt's dad died? p. good episode, but I'm looking forward to the new one in two weeks. They flashback to what all the oldbies were up to, and will probably reveal that like Arthur really is a good guy, and Angela isn't or something.
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I thought the episode was alright but i agree looking forward to the one in two weeks. Looks like they pretty close to getting rid of the season two characters. Maya is probably done, unless see come up later just as a love intrest. Murray, Bob, Monroe are all dead. West and Monica have yet to be seen in this season. So that leaves Elle, so i'm hoping see doesn't die in the next few episodes.
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after the airplane scene they had me rooting for a relationship between elle and claire :fogetbackflip:
i like how sylar helped peter fall to the ground, it shows that he is probably still working with angela's side and is an INSIDE MAN to try and take down pinehearst or whatever.
i hated the "ok mohinder come work for us" it just shines light on how EVERYTHING HAS BEEN DONE BEFORE. they're really not risking anything new. other than shuffling the sides of the characters, the conflicts and plots are all the exact same as the previous seasons. now there are two companies insead of one OH WOW!!!
i'm finding that i really don't care about anything that's going on other than sylar and matt/daphne (it was really nice to see matt use his powers like that in this episode, even though it was pretty predictable. they're doing too many "lol looks like someone's dead but they're not!!!!" stuff and it's getting really annoying). ;d
what this show needs is some fresh writers.
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Heh, yeah. Matt using his power to it's potential (maybe not full potential) was pretty cool. When Peter survived the fall I thought maybe he actually retained some of his healing ability or something. Nathan Nathan Nathan... :fogetnah:
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i'm finding that i really don't care about anything that's going on other than sylar and matt/daphne
I totally agree. This season is sooo boring compared to the last 2. I often feel like nothing significant happened in an episode, and its getting irritating that they're just slowly progressing the plots with no real cliffhangers. Its only these few characters that are keeping me interested as their stories are intriguing. Hiro's act is getting so typical its gone from comical to just boring. I'm sick of Claire being a massive emo about everything and pulling that same sad face over and over. Peter seems to make retarded mistake after the next, Mohinder is as typical as ever. The whole 'omg its Peter's dad we thought he was dead!' thing is getting kind of old too. So far he's been a useless character, and it probably would've been more interesting if Noah just went evil and ran Pinehearst (and then we found out that he infact had the power to take abilities).
Anyway, [/rant].
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One thing that's starting to bug me is the way they go about letting someone know they have a power. Instead of just saying "I can freeze things" or whatever, they get all dramatic and use their power on something then look at the person with the same expression as everyone else who does it. I mean I know they probably want to squeeze as many flashy power effects (not flying, bleh) whenever possible, but it's really cheesy.
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I feel kinda disapointed with this latest episode and the only real part I enjoyed was Elle holding hands with Claire.. Hiro didnt do anything at all in this episode apart from whine and eat some paste... and im still hating Mohinder in this season, hes cool as the narrator but thats about it now.
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One thing that's starting to bug me is the way they go about letting someone know they have a power. Instead of just saying "I can freeze things" or whatever, they get all dramatic and use their power on something then look at the person with the same expression as everyone else who does it. I mean I know they probably want to squeeze as many flashy power effects (not flying, bleh) whenever possible, but it's really cheesy.
well i doubt anyone would believe you if you just went up to them and said "yo i can freeze things" because their response would just be like "dude that was really random/thats bullshit"
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well i doubt anyone would believe you if you just went up to them and said "yo i can freeze things" because their response would just be like "dude that was really random/thats bullshit"
Yeah but most of the time the person they're showing their powers to already has powers themselves. "I can freeze things." "Cool, I can fly." *wooosh*
and it's still annoying having them use there powers then look at the person with that expression. It might work like that in real life, but on tv it looks cheesy.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned already, but what happened to the Irish girl Peter left in the future? Are they gonna address that, or will it become another gaping plot hole?
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She just stopped existing like that monica dawson
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she disappeared when that future disappeared and nobody cares about her.
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she disappeared when that future disappeared and nobody cares about her.
You mean no one that watches the show or none of the characters in the show? (I imagine it's both)
In any case, while I don't like her character all that much that doesn't make it OK to just throw away a character without giving them an end or bringing some actual closure. I mean... it really fucking annoying...
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who cares mate, heroes written by monkeys
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who cares mate, heroes written by monkeys
Yep...
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/52407/monkey.jpg)
This show really went downhill... They add billions of new characters and they don't know what to do with them next.
Oh wait... I actually think monkeys would be able to do better...
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who cares mate, heroes written by monkeys
Yeah... its... its getting really bad... I mean... I don't think I've ever just stopped watching a series like this... but I think I just might in this case... It is reaching a critical mass of cheesiness and plot holes... But it isn't like I'll be lacking stuff to watch... Prison Break, Dexter, The Office, etc...
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Alright, that episode did tie up some things. I was interested how Mr.Petrelli got bedridden. Man I just didn't think about any more family power connections like Claire's mom and the blue flame guy being siblings. Good Job Noah, you fucked up Sylar from the beginning. Seems like every character in the show does something and ends up fucking everything up.
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Whatever power that was Sylar acquired did not look like Cryokinesis, which he gets at some point before killing the next person on that list -James Walker, Molly's dad. Technically shattering things like that could be an advanced usage of it but why not just show it directly being Cyrokinesis and fill out that nice 'plothole' of where he gained the ability to freeze Molly's dad solid before removing his brain. Then again this is Heroes I'm talking about...
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This latest episode really sucked. Hard. Did we really need any of that? All the stuff with Meredith and Flint and Eric Roberts seemed really unnecessary. Oh wow Meredith and Flint are related -- did we need a whole episode to learn that?
And the stuff with Sylar -- everybody already likes Sylar, they're trying TOO HARD to make him into a good guy now. If the next episode tries to push him into GOOD GUY territory even more then I'm just going to give up on him. We get the point already.
The only thing that really happened in this episode was showing how Mr. Petrelli "died" and survived, and the last minute at the end with Hiro and Usutu. But other than that, the entire episode didn't push the story forward AT ALL.
I've seriously lost hope in this show. I don't know why I even bother to keep watching it. Out of habit maybe.
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Yeah, this episode was just a waste of time like the last one... Hiro is seriously getting on my nurves, couldnt he have frozen time the second he saw "you know who at the end"? Ahh what ever im gonna go watch Sarah Connor Chronicles!
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It's fleshing out the story more. What's wrong with that? It showed that Noah could've stopped it Sylar from the beginning and it gives more reason for him wanting to kill Sylar. I like these type episodes that fill in the past.
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Whatever power that was Sylar acquired did not look like Cryokinesis, which he gets at some point before killing the next person on that list -James Walker, Molly's dad. Technically shattering things like that could be an advanced usage of it but why not just show it directly being Cyrokinesis and fill out that nice 'plothole' of where he gained the ability to freeze Molly's dad solid before removing his brain. Then again this is Heroes I'm talking about...
Yeah wish they would of have done that with cryokenesis, though James walker could still be the one with it, and sylar just froze his body afterwards. Not the greatest episode but i did like them showing Arthur and Linderman together. I think Hiro will still freeze time before Artur can steal his powers, or maybe mid way through stealing them as a way to weaken Hiro up a bit.
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If he does get Hiro's powers, im gonna pray he learns to use them properly unlike Hiro who's a complete d**k head for being so useless with the most powerful power of them all.
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Yeah wish they would of have done that with cryokenesis, though James walker could still be the one with it, and sylar just froze his body afterwards. Not the greatest episode but i did like them showing Arthur and Linderman together. I think Hiro will still freeze time before Artur can steal his powers, or maybe mid way through stealing them as a way to weaken Hiro up a bit.
Doubt it, Molly's dad was frozen mid bite of his breakfast.
I get the feeling Ando might intervene by attacking Arthur distracting him so Hiro can teleport away, I don't think freezing time would work since Arthur has that power and when Hiro froze time to kill Adam Monroe Peter was unaffected, this could potentially involve him having to leave Ando behind and explaining how he turns against Hiro for being abandoned and gets given a power - i.e Arthur captures him and experiments on him.
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Forgot about Walker being frozen mid bite. Makes sense about Ando, though I don't think that future exist anymore.
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If he does get Hiro's powers, im gonna pray he learns to use them properly unlike Hiro who's a complete d**k head for being so useless with the most powerful power of them all.
Didn't he get it when he stole peter's powers?
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I thought the episode was okay. Had some unneeded parts. I'm not liking how there isn't enough PETER PETRELLI in the show now, he's the epic hero man! The episode did do a good job developing the dad. Final Boss is a calm and immensely evil man, perfect. Peter with all his powers vs. dad with all powers plus more! It'd be epic.
The ending was awesome though, left me waiting for the next episode.
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I'm totally digging the whole father arc, I like the idea of the calm, all knowing villain that the Heroes will have to (eventually) stand up against to beat - it kind of embodies the feel of the first season with a lot of superhero collective comic book stuff mixed in.
These past two episodes have been really important for me cause I worked on set for scenes in both so seeing the finished product is downright amazing.
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That's pretty cool, what did you do on the set?
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These past two episodes have been really important for me cause I worked on set for scenes in both so seeing the finished product is downright amazing.
Does your contract prevent you from asking for autographs??
I have a heroes poster I got signed by Hayden Panettiere, Kristen Bell, Malcolm McDowell, Tim Sale, and Alex Maleev. I got Milo Ventimiglia on a poster for his comic book tho.
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That's pretty cool, what did you do on the set?
In Episode 6, there was a scene with Elle and Claire in an airplane - in reality it was a huge airliner cabin mounted on a hydraulic platform called a gimble - I did some rigging work (lighting, mainly) and some finishing touches on the walls, around the windows, etc. It was cool but there were over 50 people doing the same thing so it was easy to get lost in the crowd.
Check it. The one and only pic I was able to shoot before being told to "Put that shit away" by NBC security.
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/23514/DSC01391.JPG)
The other scene I worked on was in Ep. 7, when Meridith finds out her brother Flint has been captured and talks with him through the holding cell glass. I just held a boom mike for that scene inside the cell, it was the end of the day and people wanted to go home. Also in the scope of the show the talent was pretty B-List for that scene so all I had to do was volunteer and they let me do sound.
Eric Roberts (The guy who plays Thompson, the boss at Primatech) borrowed my cell phone during that scene and called some area code I didn't recognize. I'm glad I get free long distance!
Does your contract prevent you from asking for autographs??
Eh, not really, but the talent really does not appreciate fanboyism on set - Hayden (who demands to be called "Hadey P" by people her age) is kind of a cool chick, I argued with her about saying sup AND giving the sup nod at the same time... Masi Oki has a new iPhone which he let me play with, and Krystin Bell is kind of a bitch!!! But yeah!
So... no, I could have asked, chose not to. Non-Disclosure Contract only forbade me to reveal plot details before the episodes aired.
T'was a religious experience to say the least.
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I didn't expect Kristen Bell to be kind of a bitch. When I got her auto we had a small chat and she was mad chill.
Yeah that shit must've been pretty cool.
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I didn't expect Kristen Bell to be kind of a bitch. When I got her auto we had a small chat and she was mad chill.
Yeah that shit must've been pretty cool.
I think it had something to do with the fact that they did 17 takes of the airplane scene cause Hayden couldn't get her lines right. Krysten miiiiight have been pissed about that.
It was cool, but it was also work. Not a bad way to make a few hundred bucks.
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Sigh, probably the weakest episode this season.
1. I don't know what Hiro and Ando are going to do and I don't care. Mr.P brainwashing him into thinking he's 10 years old or w/e the heck he does was lame. Kill him! Rip Hiro's head off.
2. Sylar and Elle's scene was predictable, though Mr.P watching them was kind of disturbing.
3. Claire is "the chosen one" *gasp* like we all didn't expect this. I... I think I'm the catalyst.
4. So, "Save the cheerleader, save the world". If this thing still rings true, that means she must be detrimental to saving the world. But the only way for her to be of any use is for her to give her blood or whatever to give people super powers. So maybe when the eclipse arrives and everyone loses there powers, Claire gives her blood to Mohinder or someone and they complete the formula and give it to Peter or something.
5. Also, I thought Sylar gained his dad's power and took away Elle's power by touch, but I guess he just developed a weaker form of what Peter could do. (Sylar touched Elle and copied her power, Peter just got near you).
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these past two episodes have been even more important to me because, well guys, im fucking kristen bell. no autographs though.
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I hate the latest episode with passion. I can see the Sylar x Elle fanclubs spawning all over the globe now *shrug*
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http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4660792/2/I_Hate_that_I_love_you
You mean fanfics right?
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Im really curious to see how this season will end, and also if we will be getting a 4th season.. if not then they are going to have to start wrapping things up.
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This episode was okay, things don't seem to be going very fast, and the motives of the dad isn't too strong. I want Peter to get his powers back and face off against his dad... cliche, but they better do that. We all want to see it happen! Heroes, with ALL IT'S AMAZING POWERS, has yet to show me a good FIGHT, come on!
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there were a lot of small nuances i liked in the last episode, and even though the major plot points were v dumb it really shows how characters' powers have been evolving. for example:
1. nathan can break the sound barrier (dont know if he always could but this is new to me)
2. matt can bring people into his mindscape things
3. sylar's power is finally explained (empathic, but he thought he had to analyze things due to his natural intuitive aptitude is what i'm thinking)
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sylar's power is finally explained (empathic, but he thought he had to analyze things due to his natural intuitive aptitude is what i'm thinking)
sylar, peter and mr. petrelli all have powers within the same family of powers. once they master it all they'll be able to all do the same things, it just manifested differently for each of them based on their personalities. the same thing happened with matt parkman and his dad and they've talked about that on the show.
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Except they just retconned Sylar's whole power, basically, with the intuitive aptitude and the 'hunger'. Now a LOT of things make no sense, even within this season.
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nah im pretty sure its the same power just manifested differently
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His original power was intuitive aptitude, or whatever. Seeing how things work, and fit together. That's what the whole deal with the watch was, seeing how things work. Future Gabriel even explicitly stated that was his power, and it'd be pretty dumb of the writers to try and say heh intuitive aptitude with ANYTHING basically, including watches and how the world will degrade, is totally the same as a form of power empathy. His power was so interesting and original and actually had pretty good potential, but now it's just another way to make him a super-powered character on par with Peter and Papa Petrelli.
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i think sylar...just understood what L was going through and because..because he understood her he could use her power...
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His original power was intuitive aptitude, or whatever. Seeing how things work, and fit together. That's what the whole deal with the watch was, seeing how things work. Future Gabriel even explicitly stated that was his power, and it'd be pretty dumb of the writers to try and say heh intuitive aptitude with ANYTHING basically, including watches and how the world will degrade, is totally the same as a form of power empathy. His power was so interesting and original and actually had pretty good potential, but now it's just another way to make him a super-powered character on par with Peter and Papa Petrelli.
i don't think intuitive aptitude was his actual POWER though. pretty much everyone has a certain degree of that, hell even i have a good chance of knowing how things work when first looking over them. i think his real power is the ability to gain other powers, and his naturally high ability to understand things was his way to achieve that end,
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http://heroeswiki.com/Sylar#Evolved_Human_Abilities
"How things work" is what he does. That was his THING, and now it's total trash and I can't believe they wasted such an original power.
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you just cited a wiki
thats almost as dumb as the direction heroes is going in
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not only that buts its a wiki that is written by crazy fans like everyone who posts in this topic that get angry when SOMEONE CHANGES THEIR POWER
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I agree with NP. I think Sylars power was the ability to understand powers by looking at the brain, but then it evolved to understanding the actual person to get the power. And I think missingno's on the right track with the evolving powers. Peter and Sylar have the potential to master there powers to get it on par with Mr.P and be able to take away powers (well maybe not Peter anymore).
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what i said (sylar's power being in the same group as peter's) doesn't exclude UNDERSTANDING THINGS from being his original power. people start off with different powers but as the powers grow and develop, the user becomes open to other related powers. i'm very sure that this was explained at some point between MAtt and Maury (season two??)
but even though that's what's going on it doesn't mean i liek it (i agree that UNDERSTANDING SHIT was awesome enough on its own and totally could have been developed in a much more unique direction) the series is still written like total shit now and they;re just making it worse and worse :fogetcry:
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that had to be one of the besst heroes episodes to date
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Hmm. I don't like Elle. It was pretty sweet seeing Sylar try and use his powers and getting the crap beat out of him.
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Hm. It's funny that the whole Hiro in Japan was meant to start in Season 5. I guess Kring wanted to kickstart and get straight into, resulting in the removal of two writers and as he says, "take the story back to the characters" for Season 4.
Season 1 was so great, I've only been watching these for the storyline and some pretty slick characters.
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So far, this latest episode is my favourite from season 3 and it doesnt even have any powers in it lol. Still didnt like Hiro though, anyone else think hes acting nothing like a ten year old apart from maybe 2-3 sequences with him trying to be a little silly to convince us off his new age. They should have made him maybe 10 years younger which simply erases his memory of all events and not try to turn him into a child because it just doesnt work.
Took him a while to use his abilities properly as a fully capable adult yet as a 10 year old he's mastered his ability instantly. Also thinking about the last episode, what was with Ando using his fingures to make Hiro blink which then teleports them away? I can swear Hiro's abilities take alot more concentration and thought to work rather than simply having to just blink.
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Also why the hell would Noah take Claire to this guy's house, as opposed to an actual secure place? I thought he was supposed to be this great strategizer and everything, but he used zero precautions.
Also why why WHY did Sylar and Elle go to that house? I thought they were leaving the company? And how did they know to go there, anyway?
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Also why why WHY did Sylar and Elle go to that house? I thought they were leaving the company? And how did they know to go there, anyway?
Apparantly after spending a few days with Noah, Sylar now knows exactly how he thinks... He must be a complete genius but hides it well!
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Apparantly after spending a few days with Noah, Sylar now knows exactly how he thinks... He must be a complete genius but hides it well!
intuitive aptitude
edit: i thought the episode was definitely the best this season but the plot twist with the eclipse was really predictable
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Doesnt a normal eclipse normally only last for a min or two?
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Doesnt a normal eclipse normally only last for a min or two?
Yeah but this is a special eclipse.
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Guys, lets be honest. This show isn't any good anymore.
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I watch this shit every week through squinty eyes thinking how bad it is but I keep watching. it's a kind of self flaggelation
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I watch this shit every week through squinty eyes thinking how bad it is but I keep watching. it's a kind of self flaggelation
yes same. idk why man i watch shit i know is awful and enjoy it. i think i like laughing at bad shit. but every week i spend 43 minutes thinking HAHAHA HOLY SHIT HOW DID IT GET WORSE THAN IT WAS LAST WEEK. i p much spend the entire episode cringing
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So exactly why did it get so bad? ever since that writers strike right?
Did we lose the original Heroes writers or maybe the original director? What happened.....?
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Did we lose the original Heroes writers or maybe the original director? What happened.....?
Jesse Alexander and Jeph Loeb just got fired.
Also you obviously don't know how television series' work. One director does not direct every episode, it doesn't work like that.
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Jesse Alexander and Jeph Loeb just got fired.
Also you obviously don't know how television series' work. One director does not direct every episode, it doesn't work like that.
... in america that is ;)
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/me reads a marvel comic from the 60's
/me regurgitates it in a contemporary setting
/me wins awards and the hearts and souls of every closet nerd
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/me reads a marvel comic from the 60's
/me regurgitates it in a contemporary setting
/me wins awards and the hearts and souls of every closet nerd
/me is gay
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haha this show. the last two episodes were awful.
Elle died, which is good because her character's personalty changed from "Playful sociopath" to "Gentle, kind, normal girl" to "Remorseful for turning Sylar into a monster" to "Wanting to Sylar to randomly cause violence and murder innocent people and steal cars" depending on the episode.
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I thought Hiro was finally gonna kick some ass like he should've done in the beginning by teleporting Sylar and Elle to like the center of the Earth or something, but he pussed out.
Also we know there was an eclipse back in ancient Japan and Adam got his "live forever" powers. But over the years shouldn't there have been more eclipses that temporarily took everyone's power away? And if so shouldn't Adam have died because he's so old that he would turn to dust if his powers were taken away (see Mr.P taking his powers away).
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shouldn't Adam have died because he's so old that he would turn to dust if his powers were taken away (see Mr.P taking his powers away).
thats not how his power works. he retained his youthful appearance because his cells regenerated at a superfast speed. which means they were new cells, not really old ones that stayed alive for really long periods of time, so he wouldn't disintegrate if just his power was taken away.
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Yeah, but when Mr.P took away his power, he turned to dust. So all that time caught up to him without his powers and he turned into what he would be (Like after Dorian Grey saw his portrait in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen). Also notice how Claire was really sick when she didn't have her powers.
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Yeah, but when Mr.P took away his power, he turned to dust. So all that time caught up to him without his powers and he turned into what he would be (Like after Dorian Grey saw his portrait in the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen). Also notice how Claire was really sick when she didn't have her powers.
i'm pretty sure mr p killed him because they held contact for too long, kind of like rogue from x men.
also dude claire got sick because SHE HAS NEVER BEEN SICK EVER so she has NO IMMUNE SYSTEM.
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I'm pretty sure it was just the writers fucking up!
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I really wish you guys would stop pointing out plot holes because it's really apparent heroes scripts are jotted down on the napkins/beermats of whatever place the writers are having lunch
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I really wish you guys would stop pointing out plot holes because it's really apparent heroes scripts are jotted down on the napkins/beermats of whatever place the writers are having lunch
or mark because i(the viewer of heroes) know more about how the show works than the writers do
so the writers are sutpid
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I watched the latest episode and then shortly after read the latest Hijinks Ensue comic and promptly laughed and then was honestly sad afterwords for how correct it is... (I read the news post as well)
What a waste of a show. It had potential to be decent but now it has just gone to hell.
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Didnt like this latest episode, I dont think they know where they are going with Sylor(sp)... maybe they wanted to keep the audience guessing but instead its just fustrating every time he decides to be either evil or good, time for them to make up their minds. I really cant see this show coming back for a 4th season.
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ps i called the leg braces thing exactly HALF AN HOUR IN ADVANCE and it was the only good part of the show
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Heroes has officially
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5051/jumpthesharkdt7.jpg)
Seriously, the writers for this show must sit around their desks and do this all day:
:welp: :welp: :welp:
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That last episode where the eclipse went away, was great. If only for Hiro appearing, smiling at Sylar "Bad man!" and warping away with him.
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That last episode where the eclipse went away, was great. If only for Hiro appearing, smiling at Sylar "Bad man!" and warping away with him.
Really? I thought that it was one of the worst episodes ever. Someone explain to me why Sylar killed Elle because the writers certainly didn't. (Why do they feel the need to end every episode with some lame plot twist?) Why does Nathan suck so much at speaking French? How did Claire get out of the hospital after she was declared dead by the hospital staff? How did the police not do anything to Claire's mom??? What was the point of Maya being in this episode for 5 seconds? Will Claire ever stop having daddy issues over and over again? What was the whole point of the Eclipse story arc when it ended the exact same way it began? The writers are seriously stretching things and they just do not know what to do with their characters. They should have gone with the idea of giving us new characters each season. Instead, they've ruined practically everyone. It's kind of sad when the only character who doesn't aggravate you is Matt Parkmen. MATT PARKMEN.
:fogetnah:
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see when someone says an episode is great that is clearly a sign they are not worth talking to
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They do give us new characters each season, just most of them suck and aren't that detrimental to the story. Like 3 episodes ago I figured this would be the last season because the eclipse was coming and Mr. P wouldn't be invincible so he would die. But nope. Not having powers did absolutely nothing. No one died (permanently) during the eclipse. Why would Hiro teleport Elle and Sylar to a random beach? Teleport them to level 5 and lock them up. Use Molly to locate all the bad guys and have Hiro teleport them to level 5.
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Heroes has officially
(http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5051/jumpthesharkdt7.jpg)
Seriously, the writers for this show must sit around their desks and do this all day:
:welp: :welp: :welp:
mateui,
you watch survivor religiously
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there's a difference between watching survivor to see how the disparate personalities interact with one another and watching heroes to see how obvious the writers have made it that they don't care this particular week.
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dom what the fuck man. you keep championing REALLY BAD THINGS. like first off
* The Octave Doctor is gay
kaworu is 100% right. this shit is taken from comic books and somehow unbelievably DUMBED DOWN basically manchildren books (I've never seen it but panda has brought up the numerous flaws). for fuck's sake both DC and Marvel just had a POWERS LOST arc (in 52, the main three being gone, and obviously the Decimation in Marvel). this really isn't up for debate, he's completely right, comics did everything Heroes has done! if you want to try and argue this go ahead but between kaworu and myself we've got an obscene amount of comics knowledge.
the only speculative part is if the plot taking was intentional or not, but does that really matter? the fact remains an existing medium has covered all this shit years ago, the chances of none of the Heroes writers ever picking up a comic book are slim (especially since Heroes has its own six page comic book). and more importantly:
or mark because i(the viewer of heroes) know more about how the show works than the writers do
so the writers are sutpid
absolutely no one thinks this show has gone up in quality other than you. oh no! mark made a joke that they plot this shit out on napkins. lets focus on how thats probably factually inaccurate instead of the fact the show really has seemed like a rush job for the past two seasons (once again I've never seen it and even I know this because EVERYONE says it). here's wikipedia with the creator admitting several aspects of the show have been poorly handled:
Additionally, the second season of Heroes was criticized by commentators and fans for a much slower pace, less engaging storyline and lack of focus compared to the first season. Milo Ventimiglia stated that "when there's a little bit of a delay, there's not that instant, rewarding scene or moment or episode… people get impatient, so it has been extremely important for them to strike a balance between giving and getting."[107]
In an interview with Entertainment Weekly, Heroes creator Tim Kring commented on criticisms of season two, and the series' 15% decline in ratings.[11] Kring said that he felt he had made mistakes with the direction of season two. He had thought that the audience was looking for a "build-up of characters and the discovery of their powers", in contrast to season one, when viewers were instead looking for "adrenaline."
Kring also outlined what he felt were problems with plot development, stating that the second season "took too long to get to the big-picture story", explaining that Peter's vision of the viral armageddon should have occurred in the first episode instead of the seventh. He feels that it would have been better to introduce new characters within the context of the main storyline, as with Elle, rather than in unattached arcs such as that of Maya and Alejandro. Kring also admitted that he should have resolved the "Hiro in Japan" storyline much more quickly, and that the romantic stories are not working well. With regards to Claire and West, and Hiro and Yaeko, he said, "I've seen more convincing romances on TV. In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us."[11]
if thats not enough, isn't it true like two characters have DIED AND COME BACK TO LIFE within less than three seasons of the show? I know one character was thought dead but surprise was just in a coma for a year. you really think this is just a well plotted masterpiece instead of just a flowchart of events with "FILL THIS IN LATER- KRING" written on it?
mateui,
you watch survivor religiously
we all know he does this and it's very funny but lets face it its not the best comparison. survivor is at least SUPPOSED to be unscripted (leaks have suggested that almost no reality show is though), while you can criticize him for liking a dumb show, it doesn't invalidate his criticism of a show run in a completely different manner. he's not dissing TOP CHEF or another reality program, what does his love of Survivor prove other than he likes bad reality tv? I like almost any cooking program on TV, even shit like Hell's Kitchen, but it doesn't mean I can't say "jesus prison break sucked last night".
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Man, who did die during the series? A bunch of people died in the first season because Sylar kept killing them, like the explosive guy. But recently, Nikki, Elle, Matt's Dad, Elle's dad, Hiro's Dad, and Adam? Maybe Micah and that Katrina Tv girl are dead, who knows.
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When Isaac died I was fucking stunned, because he was such a major character with a lot of focus and they actually went through with that. If only the writers had the same drive to kill off characters with fans, still, this show would actually be a lot more bearable.
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Isnt it odd we complain about how bad the show is but continue to watch...
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It's like simpsons you have the hope that the next episode will be good in some way and when it becomes too boring you forget about it
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dom what the fuck man. you keep championing REALLY BAD THINGS. like first off
kaworu is 100% right. this shit is taken from comic books and somehow unbelievably DUMBED DOWN basically manchildren books (I've never seen it but panda has brought up the numerous flaws). for fuck's sake both DC and Marvel just had a POWERS LOST arc (in 52, the main three being gone, and obviously the Decimation in Marvel). this really isn't up for debate, he's completely right, comics did everything Heroes has done! if you want to try and argue this go ahead but between kaworu and myself we've got an obscene amount of comics knowledge.
the only speculative part is if the plot taking was intentional or not, but does that really matter? the fact remains an existing medium has covered all this shit years ago, the chances of none of the Heroes writers ever picking up a comic book are slim (especially since Heroes has its own six page comic book). and more importantly:
absolutely no one thinks this show has gone up in quality other than you. oh no! mark made a joke that they plot this shit out on napkins. lets focus on how thats probably factually inaccurate instead of the fact the show really has seemed like a rush job for the past two seasons (once again I've never seen it and even I know this because EVERYONE says it). here's wikipedia with the creator admitting several aspects of the show have been poorly handled:
if thats not enough, isn't it true like two characters have DIED AND COME BACK TO LIFE within less than three seasons of the show? I know one character was thought dead but surprise was just in a coma for a year. you really think this is just a well plotted masterpiece instead of just a flowchart of events with "FILL THIS IN LATER- KRING" written on it?
we all know he does this and it's very funny but lets face it its not the best comparison. survivor is at least SUPPOSED to be unscripted (leaks have suggested that almost no reality show is though), while you can criticize him for liking a dumb show, it doesn't invalidate his criticism of a show run in a completely different manner. he's not dissing TOP CHEF or another reality program, what does his love of Survivor prove other than he likes bad reality tv? I like almost any cooking program on TV, even shit like Hell's Kitchen, but it doesn't mean I can't say "jesus prison break sucked last night".
conclusion: dom is a huge faggot; ignore his posts
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although i think you are confusing dragonx and dom but this does not really affect my statement
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oh they both have shitty pink names that are lowercase, no avatar, and start with a d, so yeah I made that mistake.
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absolutely no one thinks this show has gone up in quality other than you. oh no! mark made a joke that they plot this shit out on napkins. lets focus on how thats probably factually inaccurate instead of the fact the show really has seemed like a rush job for the past two seasons (once again I've never seen it and even I know this because EVERYONE says it). here's wikipedia with the creator admitting several aspects of the show have been poorly handled:
i was not being serious at all D:
i totally agree the show has gone to shit
i just find it funny that people keep pointing out all the stupid plot things like its a big surprise now...
...im sorry steel...
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season 2 is supposed to be legendarily bad, why do people watch this show still.
also never gonna watch this shit, I READ REAL COMICS.
Finally something we share in common.
Heros alone was just awful, I would rather have cancer and aids at the same time then watch it ever again.
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i was not being serious at all D:
i totally agree the show has gone to shit
i just find it funny that people keep pointing out all the stupid plot things like its a big surprise now...
...im sorry steel...
I thought you were dom who is quietly shifting over to dedicating his posting career to defending the indefensible.
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dom what the fuck man. you keep championing REALLY BAD THINGS. like first off
kaworu is 100% right. this shit is taken from comic books and somehow unbelievably DUMBED DOWN basically manchildren books (I've never seen it but panda has brought up the numerous flaws). for fuck's sake both DC and Marvel just had a POWERS LOST arc (in 52, the main three being gone, and obviously the Decimation in Marvel). this really isn't up for debate, he's completely right, comics did everything Heroes has done! if you want to try and argue this go ahead but between kaworu and myself we've got an obscene amount of comics knowledge.
no i completely agree, heroes takes a lot of stuff from comics. the thing is this does not make heroes inherently bad, and kaworu instantly disregarding heroes as a comic book ripoff and not worth anything is dumb as hell. the first season of heroes was absolutely quality television save for a couple of annoying characters (and what TV show doesn't have those?), the last two are really mediocre but still have some great parts.
we all know he does this and it's very funny but lets face it its not the best comparison. survivor is at least SUPPOSED to be unscripted (leaks have suggested that almost no reality show is though), while you can criticize him for liking a dumb show, it doesn't invalidate his criticism of a show run in a completely different manner. he's not dissing TOP CHEF or another reality program, what does his love of Survivor prove other than he likes bad reality tv? I like almost any cooking program on TV, even shit like Hell's Kitchen, but it doesn't mean I can't say "jesus prison break sucked last night".
jus' sayin his tastes make me question anything he says about TV quality
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dom i think you need to raise your standards of what "quality television" is. heroes was, at its best, a mediocre, predictable comic book in television form (as in yeah definitely a ripoff of your standard/stereotypical comic book plotting/characters/writing). this is good apparently?? if your idea of excellent tv is basically what all garbage comics that only entertain pre-teens and manchildren end up being, and what people who write actual GOOD COMICS (heroes has never come close to these btw!!!!) aspire to be much more than then idk man GROW UP or something.
but it's not good at all when judged in the context of comics. it is completely unexceptional, and that was in the first season; a different medium does not make it better if it is the same old shit with no exceptions, only this time on tv instead of in a book!! 2 and especially 3 are downright awful p much 100% of the time and you saying they have great parts makes me think it is funny that you are such a dick while having such terrible, childish taste in entertainment. do you like true blood too lol. im what you might call.....a tv connoisseur
im also fond of the JUSTR BECAUSE ITS "CLICH" DOSENT MAKE IT BAD ! ! ! counterpoint. g&d called, they want their argument back :cool:
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First season of heroes was great, comic book shows up until now have sucked e.g. original spiderman, hulk, batman.. they were crappy and they are considered good comic book heroes.
Bang, pow, kablam.. oh no Batman, hes getting away!
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uh people pretty commonly call those shows bad. they are considered good comic book heroes because that is entirely separate from whether or not their show was good. no one calls ORIGINAL LIVE ACTION SPIDERMAN good and tbh i dont know how anyone could interpret people still liking spiderman as evidence that the show was well-received. that shit sucked and everyone admits it! but by comic book standards this does not mean heroes is or ever was exception; it just means that those were awful shows and heroes is a mediocre one.
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Can you give an example of a good one? Ive personally been thinking about it but havnt come up with one.. Buffy may have started out as a comic book idk which was good for the first few seasons.
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there arent any
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dude fuck you BATMAN. not the Adam West one, the cartoon. that shit shaped like half of gw's tv watching. even Batman Beyond was pretty good at times (that ep with inque turning that guy into a blobbo was so fucking EARGH) and the creators admitted that show was for toy sales.
the Superman animated that came after was okay as well, and the JLU cartoon is good kids stuff. like I'm the HARRY POTTER SUCKS guy but I wouldn't be embarassed about watching the Batman cartoon at all. the other two maybe...maybe I turn the volume down some if my friends are around.
Buffy's ending as a comic book, it started as a terrible movie Whedon remade into a show.
but yeah live actionwise, most comic book shows have sucked. hell most movies have sucked too and they got millions of dollars behind them.
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i used to watch the xmen animated show when i was younger. that show ruled. batman rules too but fuck spiderman hes kinda gay.
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no the xmen show is really bad. keep it in your childhood nostalgia, let the...saudade....take you away, dont youtube it in curiousity.
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i used to watch the xmen animated show when i was younger. that show ruled. batman rules too but fuck spiderman hes kinda gay.
ya man x-men is awful. spider-man is okay but not good either. the only good one out of those was batman and idk probably superman/justice league shit. but mostly, batman. and even then it got less good towards the end but the first 50 eps are easily the BEST COMIC BOOK CARTOON ever p much
also steel i think he meant live action!! i seriously cannot think of anything good, although maybe the hulk wasnt bad since it gets points for being SADHULK.
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I've been watching season 1 again and just remembering things gives season 3 a lot more sense.
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Really? I thought that it was one of the worst episodes ever. Someone explain to me why Sylar killed Elle because the writers certainly didn't.
Before Hiro teleported Sylar and Elle away, that dad guy revealed something about how Elle was part of the plot to make and use Sylar as a weapon or some shit.
:welp:
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Before Hiro teleported Sylar and Elle away, that dad guy revealed something about how Elle was part of the plot to make and use Sylar as a weapon or some shit.
:welp:
its ok Dude Mateui isn't used to understanding stories
just human mind...
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dom i think you need to raise your standards of what "quality television" is. heroes was, at its best, a mediocre, predictable comic book in television form (as in yeah definitely a ripoff of your standard/stereotypical comic book plotting/characters/writing). this is good apparently?? if your idea of excellent tv is basically what all garbage comics that only entertain pre-teens and manchildren end up being, and what people who write actual GOOD COMICS (heroes has never come close to these btw!!!!) aspire to be much more than then idk man GROW UP or something.
but it's not good at all when judged in the context of comics. it is completely unexceptional, and that was in the first season; a different medium does not make it better if it is the same old shit with no exceptions, only this time on tv instead of in a book!! 2 and especially 3 are downright awful p much 100% of the time and you saying they have great parts makes me think it is funny that you are such a dick while having such terrible, childish taste in entertainment. do you like true blood too lol. im what you might call.....a tv connoisseur
how dare i appreciate an entertaining tv show.... i gues i should grow up and read some comic books. for this tv show i enjoy watching is merely an emulation... with no substance.. you are right. i am a man child because i do not have comic book aspergers. for you see, all entertainment must break boundaries.
i see, now, that my enjoyment of a TV show betrays my immature mind... heroes! pah! i spit on your primetime television... for the only word i care for is that of alan moore, the only man i ever looked up to... just a comic book writer? i think not... the man is a genius... his beautiful visions Art. i will accept no other substitutes... perfection has been achieved already, young man.. i guess this is something you consumerist sheeple will never understand. me? i think for myself.. i dont have a job yet but im working on it
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seriously saying i have "childish taste" for liking heroes is such a fucking stupid thing to say
i also like to draw dicks sometimes. i think dick drawings are funny. i am 20 years old.
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Before Hiro teleported Sylar and Elle away, that dad guy revealed something about how Elle was part of the plot to make and use Sylar as a weapon or some shit.
:welp:
He already knew this BTW. He even forgave her for it...
:welp:
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how dare i appreciate an entertaining tv show.... i gues i should grow up and read some comic books. for this tv show i enjoy watching is merely an emulation... with no substance.. you are right. i am a man child because i do not have comic book aspergers. for you see, all entertainment must break boundaries.
nah you are a manchild because you find this kind of immature shit entertaining apparently
seriously saying i have "childish taste" for liking heroes is such a fucking stupid thing to say
i also like to draw dicks sometimes. i think dick drawings are funny. i am 20 years old.
dom you seem a lil....peeved. no but really liking childish, unsophisticated things means you have childish taste. sorry brah. 95% of comics are really childish sophomoric too but at least if you read comics there would be the slim chance that you would read the few ones that aren't really childish at all and not just SAPVE WOLRD (WITH BAD ACTING??)... but with heroes that is not an option because everything about it is stupid, derivative, and shallow. it is a show targeted towards a specific audience, and if i were you i wouldn't be so proud of myself for fitting into this demographic. go watch some farscape or something, guy
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also lol dom you are the funniest guy man. i love how your post is dripping with sarcasm, only being sarcastic about this kind of thing makes you dumb as fuck. heh alan moore?? heh...heh.... what does this even mean. moore is a legit writer. also consumerist sheeple is good because you try to imply something about me being a FREE THINKER kind of guy when really i just think you are a moron, and even if this was true, i guess in this situation you, the guy who watches mindless garbage is right, not me, the guy who would apparently think that it is a load of bullshit and that you should go do something less retarded???
that is the best thing, really. you have somehow tried to defend a pretty indefensible standpoint. im dom: well EXCUUUUUUSE me for liking stupid shit!! i gues you think i should read something that is an actual work of quality *big sarcastic post mocking people telling him that brainless nonsense isn't good*. what kind of person seriously tries to take a stand on this? i'm waiting for you to have an argument about why marketing is actually really awesome sometime. you are the best for managing to be proud of your stupidity. it is rare that you meet someone who is actually like HEH IM VAPID, WHAT OF IT?? you should hook up with wackfiend sometime and maybe you two can jerk off over how terrible your taste in everything is
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for the only word i care for is that of alan moore, the only man i ever looked up to... just a comic book writer? i think not... the man is a genius... his beautiful visions Art
for the record this is dumb as hell. Alan Moore legitimized comic books pretty much single handedly and guess what stupid he actually is pretty much a creative genius, yeah. I can't believe you're arguing for Heroes over Alan Moore. a man who singlehandedly saved a genre from being nothing more than superheroes flicking rocks at each other and who has won almost every prize a graphic novel can win short of the pulitzer (I dont think it can win the pulitzer) and who wrote the only graphic novel to make it on Time's list of the 100 best works of all-time and you're saying HEH FUCK YOU NERDS I WATCH HEROES.
the funny thing is if you weren't so devotedly ignorant about comic books you could have namedropped one of a hundred other authors and maybe your dumb sarcasm wouldn't have looked so horrible but honestly check it out:
how could i appreciate such a shitty tv show :( i gues i should stop using false arguments like one media is inclined for children where television is somehow more mature and read some comic books because this tv show i enjoy watching is pretty much an emulation with no substance! you are right! i am being a child because i do not have respect for any comic books for some pretty invalid reasons. all entertainment that breaks boundaries is probably better than a hollow fascimile of something overdone in another media already.
my enjoyment of an immature TV show betrayed my immature mind. HEROES ugh! I'm gonna stop watching primetime television. maybe I should look into the works of alan moore, a writer many people looked up to. JUST A COMIC BOOK WRITER nah, it's well established the man is a genius and his vision justifies comics more as art than shit. rather accept other substitutes, I can acknowledge perfection in another media that while not there is closer to it than a show like Heroes ever will be. i guess this is something it takes being a non consumerist fuckwit to understand. me? I will try to think for myself. I don't have a job but at least I'll spend my time not defending a shitty tv show on the grounds that it's an innately less childish medium than comics which have been around longer than television.
take away the sarcasm and your shitty post is right :(
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how dare i appreciate an entertaining musical group.... i gues i should grow up and listen to some classical music. for this pop punk i enjoy listening to is merely an emulation... with no substance.. you are right. i am a man child because i do not have music appreciation aspergers. for you see, all entertainment must break boundaries.
i see, now, that my enjoyment of a pop punk artist betrays my immature mind... AVRIL LAVIGNE! pah! i spit on your pop engineered cds... for the only work i care for is that of johann sebastian bach, the only man i ever looked up to... just a composer? i think not... the man is a genius... his beautiful musics Art. i will accept no other substitutes... perfection has been achieved already, young man.. i guess this is something you radio sheeple will never understand. me? i think for myself.. i dont have a job yet but im working on it
make your own dom post. replace the asterisks and stay consistent.
how dare i appreciate an entertaining *name of media being compared*.... i gues i should grow up and *verb* some *objects of media/positive*. for this *type of media/negative* i enjoy watching is merely an emulation... with no substance.. you are right. i am a man child because i do not have *media/positive* aspergers. for you see, all entertainment must break boundaries.
i see, now, that my enjoyment of a *object of media/negative* betrays my immature mind... *specific name of object/negative*! pah! i spit on your *vehicle of media*... for the only word i care for is that of *a male creator of object/positive*, the only man i ever looked up to... just a *generic name for object creator*? i think not... the man is a genius... his beautiful *sensory organ input* Art. i will accept no other substitutes... perfection has been achieved already, young man.. i guess this is something you *negative adjective of any kind* sheeple will never understand. me? i think for myself.. i dont have a job yet but im working on it
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He already knew this BTW. He even forgave her for it...
:welp:
Before Hiro teleported Sylar and Elle away, that dad guy revealed something about how Elle was part of the plot to make and use Sylar as a weapon or some shit.
:welp:
I think the fact that he lost his powers made him realize that "he's just human" and connected more with Elle since she was in the same boat as he was. But then he got them back and maybe Noah rehashing that Elle made him the way he was coupled with his refound powers triggered his "uncontrollable killing urge" again. He did seem to have urge again when he killed her.
:welp:
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just fyi my post was not a slight against alan moore, i am well aware that alan moore was a talented guy. i have no problem with alan moore.
my post is a slight against people who think i am somehow less of a person for liking heroes just because its not hugely influential and groundbreaking. also people of the opinion that because heroes is derivative, that EVERYTHING about it is terrible. maybe i enjoy watching hiro's hijinks???? i like seeing how theyre going to save the world?? it entertains me!! im sorry!!!! I FIND IT A LITTLE INTERESTING KILL ME NOW I HAVE THE TASTE OF A FIRST GRADER
nah you are a manchild because you find this kind of immature shit entertaining apparently
dom you seem a lil....peeved. no but really liking childish, unsophisticated things means you have childish taste. sorry brah. 95% of comics are really childish sophomoric too but at least if you read comics there would be the slim chance that you would read the few ones that aren't really childish at all and not just SAPVE WOLRD (WITH BAD ACTING??)... but with heroes that is not an option because everything about it is stupid, derivative, and shallow. it is a show targeted towards a specific audience, and if i were you i wouldn't be so proud of myself for fitting into this demographic. go watch some farscape or something, guy
hmm... so if u read comics... most will not be great some of them might actually be really good??? wait wait let me see here
i watch tv... that means some will not be great and some will be really good!!! holy shit... its my exact tv taste. for i do not watch only heroes. i watch other tv shows too. well done for making an argument which makes no sense
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actually i meant if you were to say WHELP I READ COMICS i would at least be able to think "well maybe he only reads the good ones" whereas with television and specifically just saying I WATCH HEROES INSTEAD HEH this is not an option because a) i know you watch mostly braindead shit because you are apparently a............braindead shit lol and b) there is no part of heroes that is based around THE GOOD ONES; it is all bad. but gj on the misinterpretation
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i do not watch heroes as a substitute for reading comics so
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I think what he is trying to say is you cant simply judge a person according to a tv program they may or may not watch. True there can be stereotypes but you cant define a person because of something as little as this.
I watch Heroes because im curious to see where they will go with some of the characters such as Peter and Hiro but dont consider myself 'child minded' or whatever it was you described people who watch the show as.
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its..its ok dom. i watch Lost and Nip/Tuck.
also i feel like an even bigger faggot because apparently GAMBIT is gonna be in the new Xmen movie about wolverine. i used to love gambit when i was like 10. :cool:
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dude gambit was the best, i used to play as him all the time in Marvel vs Capcom on my friend's dreamcast.
also yea i watch heroes to but i also realize it is utter shit. i'm not going to defend it or my tastes because most of you think im a pretty horrible guy, and also its not really something you can even defend. like sometimes i have MCDONALDS CRAVINGS and even though its probably the worst food on earth i still like it. its..... its the hunger........
admittedly though this show has gotten so bad in the last episode it was almost unbearable.
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oh shit Deadpool is gonna be in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, too.
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/35798/120108_gambit.jpg)
i'll quit derailing now.......
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its..its ok dom. i watch Lost and Nip/Tuck.
also i feel like an even bigger faggot because apparently GAMBIT is gonna be in the new Xmen movie about wolverine. i used to love gambit when i was like 10. :cool:
yo i watch lost religiously but nip tuck is for faggots peace otu
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oh shit Deadpool is gonna be in X-Men Origins: Wolverine, too.
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/35798/120108_gambit.jpg)
i'll quit derailing now.......
wtf he's folding in this picture not going all in
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I thought that's what you fans wanted.
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I think the fact that he lost his powers made him realize that "he's just human" and connected more with Elle since she was in the same boat as he was. But then he got them back and maybe Noah rehashing that Elle made him the way he was coupled with his refound powers triggered his "uncontrollable killing urge" again. He did seem to have urge again when he killed her.
:welp:
He connected with Elle when she was shocking the hell out of him for killing her father. "He changed," right, and got over his hunger. Then Elle decided to make him kill the car rental guy. Then he decided to kill Elle and she decided to let him even though she's like, the only character who ever used her powers to physically repel his attacks earlier. And Papa Petrelli has Sylar's hunger by way of absorbing Peter's powers, but I think the show forgot about that.
This show. This fucking show.
:welp:
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yo i watch lost religiously but nip tuck is for faggots peace otu
too deep for you maggot?
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i *love* lost
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I think what he is trying to say is you cant simply judge a person according to a tv program they may or may not watch. True there can be stereotypes but you cant define a person because of something as little as this.
Pretty funny considering the people using this argument who are pro-Heroes are judging me for watching Survivor. :laugh:
I can admit when shows get bad. There have been awful seasons of Survivor. It's not always great. But at least there is no script there. I can blame the idiotic players... with Heroes I can directly blame the writers who have no idea what they are doing anymore. They've lost what made this show great - ordinary people living with extraordinary powers.. trying to adjust to their lives - not just going "cool. i has powers. lets fight bad guys!!1!!". The show was once more than the typical cliché superhero fest... it had character drama. Now it's just derivative. That's why the comic book analogies have started coming out. The show has devolved into that and it shows.
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Pretty funny considering the people using this argument who are pro-Heroes are judging me for watching Survivor. :laugh:
I can admit when shows get bad. There have been awful seasons of Survivor. It's not always great. But at least there is no script there. I can blame the idiotic players... with Heroes I can directly blame the writers who have no idea what they are doing anymore. They've lost what made this show great - ordinary people living with extraordinary powers.. trying to adjust to their lives - not just going "cool. i has powers. lets fight bad guys!!1!!". The show was once more than the typical cliché superhero fest... it had character drama. Now it's just derivative. That's why the comic book analogies have started coming out. The show has devolved into that and it shows.
You may have misunderstood but I wasn’t arguing the show is good just merely explaining that deciding upon someone’s persona judged solely by the tv show they watch is not right. I don’t have anything against anyone who watches Survivor although I personally don’t watch it myself as I have no interest in reality tv.
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No, what the show once had was a sense of wonder and mystery. Like something really amazing is happening, and something really important is about to happen. The best moments of the show were when that artist drew the future, when people figured out for the first time that they could do amazing shit, and it's like a whole new world opened to them, when all you had really seen of Sylar was his victims and his silhouette. One of my favourite scenes was when, uh... 'regenerating teenage girl who can't act to save her life (or those dolphins)', is being chased by Sylar, because Sylar is still a symbol of pure evil, and you know an important character is going to die but not who or how, since they built up to that one for some episodes; that was some real adrenaline right there.
After season 1 they lost all that, and now it's just people who can shoot lightning bolts at each other playing cops and bad guys. I could forgive some of the shitty acting before because the premise and atmosphere was amazing, not so much now that the show has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
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Man, I gotta say this was the best season 3 ep
that hiro/momma hrio moment was really tear jerking :(
and then Sylar when he was in that room and everyone was liek *GASPPP* and he said "Oh, *smiles* Cake." and telekenetically closes the door was awesome
and the elevator scene
god sylar is so awesome
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dragonx are you serious
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So, they spent a whole season bringing back Arthur just so they could kill him? Give me a break. Death is meaningless on this bullshit show anyway.
And, the fucking formula? Now everyone can be a "hero." Cheapens the whole thing.
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No, what the show once had was a sense of wonder and mystery. Like something really amazing is happening, and something really important is about to happen. The best moments of the show were when that artist drew the future, when people figured out for the first time that they could do amazing shit, and it's like a whole new world opened to them, when all you had really seen of Sylar was his victims and his silhouette. One of my favourite scenes was when, uh... 'regenerating teenage girl who can't act to save her life (or those dolphins)', is being chased by Sylar, because Sylar is still a symbol of pure evil, and you know an important character is going to die but not who or how, since they built up to that one for some episodes; that was some real adrenaline right there.
After season 1 they lost all that, and now it's just people who can shoot lightning bolts at each other playing cops and bad guys. I could forgive some of the shitty acting before because the premise and atmosphere was amazing, not so much now that the show has no redeeming qualities whatsoever.
Pretty much exactly this.
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dragonx are you serious
do you really have that low an opinion of me panda to ask that!!! :(
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in this episode its like they had sylar develop into the ultimate badass.... except there was no development. it was just like "HMM JUST GOT TRANSPORTED TO A BEACH I GUESS I'LL BE EVIL AGAIN"
edit: yea sylar is a cool character again but... c'mon writers :[
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Ok, time travel episodes suck since they generate plot holes.
- Claire still has the catalyst in her. Her and Hiro both did, so why didn't Arthur Petrelli take the catalyst from her and take her power as well? There's no reason why he didn't take her healing except bad writing. She doesn't need healing to deliver a message to Angela.
- Aren't there two Arthur Petrellis now? The one from the past teleported to the present holding the catalyst within himself. He was killed. There's still the original present day Arthur Petrelli, isn't there? Unless the Arthur who showed up to see Claire and Hiro is the present day Arthur teleporting back to the past, in which case the writers are even more stupid. He just magically happened to know where to show up.
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Ok, time travel episodes suck since they generate plot holes.
- Claire still has the catalyst in her. Her and Hiro both did, so why didn't Arthur Petrelli take the catalyst from her and take her power as well? There's no reason why he didn't take her healing except bad writing. She doesn't need healing to deliver a message to Angela.
- Aren't there two Arthur Petrellis now? The one from the past teleported to the present holding the catalyst within himself. He was killed. There's still the original present day Arthur Petrelli, isn't there? Unless the Arthur who showed up to see Claire and Hiro is the present day Arthur teleporting back to the past, in which case the writers are even more stupid. He just magically happened to know where to show up.
i think time travelers can teleport to a specific place/person if they know how. hiro's done this on a few occasions, and also it was evident that the entire sequence was in isaac's sketchbook, which he could have easily seen earlier. but yea i think it was present arthur teleporting back in time, not a new past arthur.
also since hiro got the catalyst it would mean claire never had it in the first place, since i assume they are using a self-correcting universe type deal. it was never shown that claire ACTUALLY had the catalyst, everyone just thought she did.
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Noo hiro is trapped in the past forever :fogetsad:
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So the Mr.P that took the catalyst was the past Mr.P? I thought the
christ, I don't even know, these timelines are fucking me up. Who took the catalyst from Hiro? Mr.P When he was alive back then, or Mr.P from the current timeline who just randomly decided he can teleport back through time?
Also, since Mr.P can heal himself like Claire, wouldn't he return back to life after the Haitian left just like how Claire and Sylar came back to life after the eclipse?
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He didn't randomly decide he could go to the past, if that was present day Mr . Petrelli then he could because Peter Petrelli could do it too
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Also, since Mr.P can heal himself like Claire, wouldn't he return back to life after the Haitian left just like how Claire and Sylar came back to life after the eclipse?
why do you think peter was standing over his body still pointing a gun at him and saying "dad.. its over"
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ughhh guys im pretty sure it was explained in season 1 that if a healer sustains a brain injury and the cause of the injury is NOT REMOVED then the person cannot heal himself
and im pretty sure shrapnel(assuming of course they were smart and used Hollow Tip Bullets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_tip_bullet)) counts as SUSTAINED BRAIN INJURY therefore ending said healer's life indefinitly
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and im pretty sure shrapnel(assuming of course they were smart and used Hollow Tip Bullets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollow_tip_bullet)) counts as SUSTAINED BRAIN INJURY therefore ending said healer's life indefinitly
Unless someone decides to inject Claire's blood into his body.. it worked when Noah took a bullet through the head.
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yo i'm guessing they removed the bullet since it didn't come out when his wound healed, like sylar's wounds did.
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He didn't randomly decide he could go to the past, if that was present day Mr . Petrelli then he could because Peter Petrelli could do it too
My problem is not with the fact that he can time travel, it's that he knew the EXACT time and EXACT place to jump to. If you're going to use the logic that he's able to do that since he's now got Peter's powers, and Peter did absorb Molly's power, THEN why didn't he use Molly's power whenever he was looking for other Heroes in the past? It doesn't make sense. The writers overpower certain characters, but then have to dumb then down intellectually to explain their actions. If you have so much power, then you're going to use it all the time to your advantage. Why hasn't he used Hiro's power to freeze time and then kill everyone who stands in his way? Oh, because this interferes with the writing of the show. Nothing makes sense.
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And Hiro freezing time wouldn't even have done anything, since Arthur's got that power too. Remember, Hiro vs. Peter, time stopping didn't do anything.
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Hmm, Sylar has the urge to get new powers, yet he didn't look at Mr.P's brain to get his shit ton of powers.
Yeah, if you have something lodged in your brain and you're a healer then you're "temporarily dead". The bullet could be removed, like they did with Noah and I think Sylar, or like in Season 1 when Claire had that stick jammed in her brain. But Sylar said that "Claire was special" and he couldn't kill her if he wanted to, I'm thinking that the reason she was special and couldn't be permanently killed was because she had the catalyst inside her. Now that Mr.P has the catalyst, he could be the same way you know.
panda: Yeah, there was a scene like what dragonx said, the elevator one was really out of character for him though. Killed 4 people (three of which didn't have powers) in a office, then rides on an elevator with hands covered in blood next to a scared Asian guy, and doesn't kill him. just can't kill the asians.
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Yeah why the hell didn't he take Arthur's power?
Maybe because the Haitian?
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Haitian was pretty drained, and Sylar was able to use his powers to momentarily stop the bullet from hitting him. Guess the writers didn't want anyone even more powerful than Mr.P.
edit: Hell, Sylar could've gotten the Haitians power too.
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My problem is not with the fact that he can time travel, it's that he knew the EXACT time and EXACT place to jump to. If you're going to use the logic that he's able to do that since he's now got Peter's powers, and Peter did absorb Molly's power, THEN why didn't he use Molly's power whenever he was looking for other Heroes in the past? It doesn't make sense. The writers overpower certain characters, but then have to dumb then down intellectually to explain their actions. If you have so much power, then you're going to use it all the time to your advantage. Why hasn't he used Hiro's power to freeze time and then kill everyone who stands in his way? Oh, because this interferes with the writing of the show. Nothing makes sense.
he can draw the future so mebbe he drew the same thing wot was in the comic
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I seriously don't know what to think about Heroes, it's like they don't know what to do with the plot anymore. Still, Heroes has been pretty entertaining despite it flaws and there's nothing wrong or childish in liking it.
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I liked the last episode we just had, I prefer sylar as he was in the original show a bad guy. Doubt that Mr Petrelli will stay dead for very long and can only assume that alongside sylar we are gonna get a bunch of bad guys showing up from the formula as well as another time traveller who will save Hiro.
Also im curious to see what happens if you give the formula to someone who already has powers.
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YES ARTHUR IS DEAD YES. I despised that guy.
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I've enjoyed the last few episodes. The show seems to be trying to head in a certain direction now.
But holy crap the last episode was a rip-off of The 4400. The military thing is exactly what the 4400 did. Also an actor from that show is in this one now.
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yeah i got nothing from this episode except "hey wow that is kyle from the 4400". its hard to care about this show at all in any way. mr. petrelli dies and its just "ok" and not YES thing like they want, because you just don't really give a shit and even if you did then you just assume he'll come back from the dead anyway. people in this show die and come back for no reason at all.
But holy crap the last episode was a rip-off of The 4400. The military thing is exactly what the 4400 did. Also an actor from that show is in this one now.
this made me happy because i liked 4400 and was sad that it never got a final season :(
they better come up with some RALLY GOOD SHIT for the last few episodes here or else neither will heroes (put it out of its misery please)
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Some good news - Bryan Fuller is going to rescue Heroes from its downward spiral. :fogetbackflip: (He actually wrote two Heroes episodes before, one of which was "Company Man" which I think we all agree was awesome and a peak in the series).
Here's an article outlining some things that he's going to do to revive the series. Exclusive: Bryan Fuller's Rx for 'Heroes' (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/12/exclusive-bryan.html) (Contains some spoilers, so beware!)
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looks like next season will take a different (and surprisingly unexpected) turn. I hate how they managed to be able to go back in time with Ando, that was pretty lame. I mean he has a cool power and it would be cool to see what his power would do to Claire or Peter/Nathan (hint: he can probably make them fly so fast that they go back in time :fogetnah:). Also, since the formula was destroyed, wouldn't that mean that pretty much this whole season didn't happen? Matt and that chick never met, Ando never got his powers, Arthur never died, etc.
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The formula was only ripped in half from Hiro. It would explain why the formula was in two halves throughout the entire season. So no, things are happening exactly the way it should up to this point(or at least somewhat!?!).
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The formula was ripped up at the end not destroyed before all the current events had happened. Yeah having Ando increase Daphne's running ability to the point she can go back in time was stupid.
Didnt really enjoy this last episode and it was again filled with silly loopholes like the fact that Daphne can hold onto Hiro while running to the point you cant see either of them, im not an expert but wouldnt travelling at such speeds crush Hiros bones and turn his brain into sludge not to mention whiplash.
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she extends a field of slowed time around herself which extends to hiro, plus his powers are compatible with this
i think heroes is great. never been better.
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she extends a field of slowed time around herself which extends to hiro, plus his powers are compatible with this
huh you joking? Where did she get this field from? As far as I know she only has the ability to run fast without her own bones from crushing. Soon she will be vibrating her way through solid objects as well, wouldnt suprise me.
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maybe you should read more comic books
the entire comic book canon (so not including the now non-canonical works) is a persistent world
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No thx, ill just keep watching the loopholes.
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Yeah, Hiro ripped up the thing in little pieces at the end, so it never got idk this is pretty stupid. Also Esiann, hiro doesn't have his power, so her powers aren't compatible with his, unless you're talking about Ando.
Season 4 looks like it will be better than this season. Only a handful of people with powers (and no stacked powers like Peter/Sylar/Arthur).
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yeah i haven't watched this show in a year and i have no idea what i'm talking about, i just wanted to see if he'd believe me.
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Season 4 looks like it will be better than this season. Only a handful of people with powers (and no stacked powers like Peter/Sylar/Arthur).
Did you forget seeing Peter rescue is bro by flying him outa there.... he will start gaining abilities again in the next season most probably.
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Soon she will be vibrating her way through solid objects as well, wouldnt suprise me.
yea dude because thats what speedsters do. fuck man read the flash or something, this isn't a loophole, thats what actually happens in comic books.
i dont see how this is ridiculous and stupid when the flash can literally move faster than thought and outran death
also im no science buff but i think the relativity explanation is fairly true (can anyone validate this?)
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when's he outrun thought. also outrunning death is a stretch, he outran the New God representation of death.
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looks like next season will take a different (and surprisingly unexpected) turn. I hate how they managed to be able to go back in time with Ando, that was pretty lame. I mean he has a cool power and it would be cool to see what his power would do to Claire or Peter/Nathan (hint: he can probably make them fly so fast that they go back in time :fogetnah:). Also, since the formula was destroyed, wouldn't that mean that pretty much this whole season didn't happen? Matt and that chick never met, Ando never got his powers, Arthur never died, etc.
No, the present-day formula was destroyed in present-day. They didn't go back in time and get it, they got it from Pinehearst where Nathan and Peter were.
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Barry Allen was capable of running at the speed of light with little difficulty and, at times during the Silver Age of comics, the speed of thought. In Flash #150, "straining every muscle," he ran at ten times the speed of light. However, when he pushed himself further (during the Crisis on Infinite Earths) he appeared to waste away as he was converted into pure energy, traveled back in time, and was revealed to be the very bolt of lightning that gave him his powers.
ok so its basically the same speed as thought but same deal.
also i wasnt talking about the New God, but rather the Black Flash (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Flash), which for all intents and purposes is the same as death to speedsters.
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Lol I can't believe they did the "Einstein said time travel is possible because E=MC2". I thought that only happened in internet foruns! That episode just destroyed any faith I had left in Heroes.....
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Honestly I forgive this episode for the loopholes because it's clear the writers were just wiping the slate clean so Volume 4 could be halfway decent without being bogged down with all this shit.
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OMG HEROES FINALE RULED! Peter is sooooooo heroic! who else is glad mohinda is back to normal! How do I make this topic into a poll! :-/
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its hard to care about this show at all in any way. mr. petrelli dies and its just "ok" and not YES thing like they want, because you just don't really give a shit and even if you did then you just assume he'll come back from the dead anyway. people in this show die and come back for no reason at all.
Exactly! That is one of Heroes' biggest problems: death is meaningless on this show, because pretty much everyone who has ever died has come back to life (or has had an identical triplet or something stupid).
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Exactly! That is one of Heroes' biggest problems: death is meaningless on this show, because pretty much everyone who has ever died has come back to life (or has had an identical triplet or something stupid).
Soap Opera Disorder.
Heroes lost it's charm when the balance of normal people and people with powers got tipped - one of the interesting aspects of the show was how these people were viewed in contrast to mediocrity so I hope it goes back to that!
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I just hope Sylar stays dead. Please never bring him back... EVER.
I loled at seeing Obama.
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It's about people with super powers. Like in comic books.
Have you guys ever read a comic book? No one stays dead.
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I just hope Sylar stays dead. Please never bring him back... EVER.
I loled at seeing Obama.
No way, Sylar is one of the few interesting characters on the show. He's the reason I kept watching this past season.
Here's the list of characters who need to die on Heroes (my opinion):
Claire
Monica (or at least don't ever bring her back)
Maya (or is she already dead?)
Angela Petrelli
Nathan Petrelli
Micah Sanders (or at least never ever bring him back)
Niki/whoever the fuck Ali Larter plays (holy crap I am so sick of her DIE DIE DIE)
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Well it looks like the fourth season will be more like the first, at least I hope so...
I'm also kind of getting sick of Sylar. He was a pretty cool villain in the first season and got a little more interesting this season. One of my favourite moments (probably my favourite) this season was when he embarrassed himself when his powers went off during the eclipse just as he was going to kill Noah.
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"im getting sick of , but here are reasons why i like !!!"
I am pretty sure the next season will be awesome, it has Obama
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Yeah, they're bringing back the head writer for season one. They also said that they know that the past season was ultra convoluted, so they were keeping an eye out for that. All i know is Hiro pisses me off as a 10 year old.
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If you guys couldn't tell, Fugitives is still season 3. It comes back on February 2nd.
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I just watched the end of the last episode and it said the New Season of heros starts Feb 2, not the continuation of Season 3.
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I just watched the end of the last episode and it said the New Season of heros starts Feb 2, not the continuation of Season 3.
No it's a new volume, not a new season. It's still season 3. I don't give a fuck what you saw at the end of the last episode because it is still season 3.