Gaming World Forums
General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Bravo on October 30, 2008, 04:28:28 am
-
chinese democracy will never come out bwa...bwahahaha.
Well, apparently its coming out in less than a month. And I know there's absolutely zero GnR fans at GW, but them's the breaks.
Axl Rose has been promising the imminent release of Guns N' Roses' Chinese Democracy ever since he looked like this (pictured). So most fans become properly skeptical whenever Billboard publishes an article like this one, claiming that Chinese Democracy will finally (no, really!) be released on Nov. 23. This time, though, there's some indication that the news is for real.
I'm downloading this the day it leaks, assuming its not a fake due date again. I don't expect another Appetite for Destruction, but I expect it to be about as good as the Use Your Illusion albums if you take away November Rain.
-
I've heard it already leaked.
-
i don't think so, there's a lot of leaks going around, but i don't think any of them are entire album leaks...also the track listing apparently is:
01. Chinese Democracy
02. Shackler's Revenge
03. Better
04. Street Of Dreams
05. If The World
06. There Was A Time
07. Catcher N' The Rye
08. Scraped
09. Riad N' The Bedouins
10. Sorry
11. I.R.S.
12. Madagascar
13. This I Love
14. Prostitute
-
I was at a Guns n Roses concert a couple of years back.
Well it was more Axl Rose & his friends.
...and it was one of the worst gigs I've ever been to.
-
Lol. I can't even take this seriously. Axl rose has become nothing but a joke in the industry. Dropping over a million dollars on what will be a mediocre rock album with a bunch of random musicians who aren't guns n' roses. gr8
-
I thought he died
I hate his singing its terrible and all of the people gnr spawned have turned out to be rabid dipshits.
-
what?
Chinese Democracy is the title of the album?
fucking jesus christ fucking
fucking pack of imbeciles
-
Catcher N' The Rye...rock on, Axl.
-
you can listen to the single on youtube. It's fucking awful. It's kind of like nu metal, but about 8 years too late
-
i don't think so, there's a lot of leaks going around, but i don't think any of them are entire album leaks...
Yeah, all the 'leaks' so far are a collection of demos being described on torrent sites as the actual thing.
If it doesn't have the tracklist that Bravo posted, then it's NOT the real thing.
-
you can listen to the single on youtube. It's fucking awful. It's kind of like nu metal, but about 8 years too late
Hahaha, how could it not be.
I love how in the time this has been in production he's gone through like 3 different bands and even managed to scare of Buckethead.
I do like old GNR though, like before Axl took over and fucked everything up.
-
So... Is it official?
Velvet Revolver > New GnR?
Or should we still wait for that horror of an album called Chinese Democracy to arrive?
-
I thought Velvet Revolver broke up? I know Scott Weiland left the band.
-
is the street of dreams a cover of the old Rainbow track?
Also anybody who is suprised that this is shit is an idiot. :colb:
-
I thought Velvet Revolver broke up? I know Scott Weiland left the band.
Strictly speaking, they still exist without the Weiland.
If Axl Rose chilled the shit out and stopped trying to do this inevitable horror, Chinese Democracy, then it'd be nice to see them all team up again.
The music would probably end up being a bit crappy though. OH WELL.
-
Strictly speaking, they still exist without the Weiland.
I don't really see how that counts as "existing"
I know Axl Rose is really washed up, but I'm still disappointed to hear CD is probably going to be awful, especially since the album has been in the works for so long.
-
I don't really see how that counts as "existing"
Because they're searching for a singer (although it's rumoured they already have one).
And yeah I agree, it's a shame to see the potential wasted... Especially after it being the most expensive record to be produced, ever.
-
This is such garbage. It sounds like... A mixture of old Guns 'N Roses, new Metallica, and basically just pure unadulterated garbage.
-
It's just not GnR without slash.
-
...
Ooh, what shall I do
If I gave my heart to you
It's such a crime you know it’s true
Gonna call the president
Gonna get myself a private eye
Gonna need the I.R.S.
Gonna get the F.B.I.
Gonna make it a federal case
Gonna wave it right down in your face
Read it daily with your morning news
With a sweet hangover, and the headlines true
There's not anymore that I can do
Gonna call the I.R.S. so you better be up to date on your tax laws.... of love! *guitar solos*
Cause it would take a lot more time than you
Have got for masturbation
Even with your iron fist
All they've got to rule the nation
But all I got is precious time
All they've got to rule the nation
But all I got is precious time
This bit from the track titled after the name of the album really speaks to me.
-
It's just not GnR without slash.
seriously, dont you feel a bit embarrassed you have to call some dude SLASH.
jesus fucking christ what an imbecile
-
seriously, dont you feel a bit embarrassed you have to call some dude SLASH.
jesus fucking christ what an imbecile
lol SLASH is one of the coolest stage names ever i don't know wtf ur problem is
-
seriously saul hudson is actually an excellent name but no he has to be an idiot.
-
UGH ROCK AND ROLL...WHEN DID IT BECOME ABOUT SPECTACLE...USER YOUR REAL NAME DONT BE SHOWMEN THATS NOT REAL MUSI
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/57278/redhotchilipeppersnakedmoments2.jpg)
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/57278/14671148462.jpg)
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/57278/lennon.jpg)
get real. a lot of popular rock since inception has been about pushing boundaries and being weird and doing stupid shit like having fake stage names. then you've got people like cat stevens, bob dylan, elvis costello, elton john, madonna, dimebag darrel, sting, and ODB, none of whom perform with their real name. why is deciding to call yourself SLASH suddenly beyond the pale? HES CROSSED THE FUCKING RUBICON...NAMING HIMSELF AFTER A VERB...WHO DOES HE THINK HE IS???
-
steel I think you've missed the point completely. I think the difference is that those are excellent names (and most of them come across as real names) while Slash isn't! equating a gimmicky hard rocker to guys like Bob Dylan and Elvis Costello is also pretty out there, beside the fact that at least they have changed their names to something that isn't really embarassing! (and in Elvis Costello's case probably out of necessity, a guy called Declan Patrick McManus is unlikely to go down well in 70s/80s Britain)
and mentioning people like FLEA and DIMEBAG DARRELL is no way to make this point they are dreadful.
-
hahaha naming yourself after elvis = legitimate name discrepancy
naming yourself after a verb = ROCK AND ROLL'S DOOM
-
i read in the paper that dr. pepper is going to be giving away coupons to everyone for one free soda for one day because guns n roses and dr. pepper had a bet or something that they couldn't release the album this year.
edit: actually, that's probably tomorrow, then.
-
Rockman is pretty much correct and Steel is being stupid
-
*names self dj soup, believes he has the ability to criticize actual musicians on their names*
-
seriously guns n roses is terrible, this album sucks, and you nerds are spergin out over SLASH'S SHOW NAME, what the fuck.
-
no sonny, I just made a comment about it, you are picking it up like a sensationalist republican who thinks lipstick on a pig is about Palin.
-
yeah lord knows ole dietcoke and I can be compared in any arbitrary way to republicans, lets keep up the world's worst analogies and equivalencies. I'll go next; your knowledge of rock names is a bit more like your knowledge of rocks; limited to ignorance/igneous.
-
never said you are one, but you're acting like one.
so basically, I just made that comment, and you are blowing it out of reasonable proportions.
-
it's just such a dumb thing to complain about dude. you can't say YOU'RE BLOWING IT OUT OF PROPORTION when you thought it was a good idea to wander into a topic about admittedly one of the more significant releases of the decade and comment on just how LAAAAAME Slash is for a name.
no one's even providing some type of nomenclature hierarchy or anything, you're all just saying ITS BAD ROCKERS SHOULD HAVE SENSIBLE NAMES LIKE ELVIS AND ELTON AND NAMES LIKE DIMEBAG AND SLASH ARE TERRIBLE. where's Buckethead fall in this? how about Flava Flav?
somehow there's a nobility to changing your name to Bob Dylan so people don't think you're a jew but it's insulting when you do it because you're a fucking rockstar in a band called Guns N Roses fronted by fucking AXL ROSE? Peter Criss taking on the persona of the Cat because he wants to have a goofy time is an insult but Cat Stevens can't be known as Steven Gregiou? somehow there's nobility in some pseudonyms that sound "real" and god forbid someone wants to have fun with their stage names (fuck ALL rappers...)?
if that's not what you're saying and you want to make some argument that Slash is a bad name on its own merits, feel free, but you aren't making that argument, you're agreeing with Rockman who has drawn a line where Cat and Elvis are good names but Dimebag and Slash are not.
-
yes, you are really, REALLY overreacting to what I said.
Slash is a very dumb name.
pretty simple
a dummmmb name.
sounds like a name a 8 year old kid would give to himself while playing to imaginative RPG in his backyard
"I'm Captian Slash and I have awesome superpowers! You cannot defeat me!"
Seriously, consider any beauty in the name Slash.
ALERT: Note I am not rejecting artistic names at all. Some are pretty cool.
btw Slash is such a laughable name, did I already mention this?
I invite you to go beyond its condition as a verb, I invite you to discover a whole new dimension of .. ahem.. subtleness that is quite delicate to handle, specially with your obtuse arguments
-
shep doesn't operate in the mundane realm of logic, steel. "reason". "justification". "coherence". heh. get outside the box.
-
what?
I totally do, so don't go around spitting shit.
Let's team up, pal
-
no you fucking idiot you've been shitting up a topic about a shitty album by a shitty band not by mentioning any of this but by harping on the name of a former lead guitarist who has nothing to do with it, and if there's some logic to being a fucking idiot in this particular way it's one beyond my intelligence (cue bullshit rant about thinking beyond normality), especially when you've named yourself DJ SOUP (slash UNFORGIVEABLE but soup well thats just another matter entirely).
conversely I've not only offered multiple examples of rock and roll being a vessel for ridiculous eye rolling shit throughout history but pointed out that the name Slash is no better than Elvis or Dimebag or Sting and if anything is less detestable than changing your name because it's too jewey or foreign or won't sell enough albums. and absolutely no one is replying to the hiphop argument because apparently RAPS JUST SILLY ROCK AND ROLL IS SERIOUS BUSINESS.
you can keep saying SLASH IS A FUNNY NAME but until you have more to back up your opinion than I DONT LIKE CERTAIN WORDS get the hell out already. you can keep saying I'm overreacting and dragging this on (despite the original conversation being between you and DietCoke) but you're the one who can't accept the fact that a stage name can be silly and just because you think it's a silly word doesn't make it so.
opinions should be based on something, this is old hat, but you insist on prancing into the music forum, posting about how band x is not genre y but indie folk metal genre y, and prancing the fuck out again with no justification so it doesn't surprise me you'd resort to "IT JUST SOUNDS...WRONG".
-
wowow
steel, get a hold of yourself man, the only guy looking ridiculous here is yourself.
get a reality check:
1) I said "Slash, what a dumb name"
2) You explode
seriously, get a grip
Slash is a prepubescent megalomaniac stupid name. It is the WORD kid, the WORD.
And that implies EVERYTHING ABOUT THE WORD. It is not just that it sounds wrong.
You are really obtuse.
I don't think there's much wrong in working with an artistic name. You do? Well, I disagree with you then.
Now, you're blunt enough to put all pseudonyms in the same bag. That's stupid of you. The world doesn't work in blacks and whites luckily. We get gradients.
And that's how the world of "this name is good, that name is bad, this name is better than, that name is worser than" comes to be.
You got a problem with that? Go on with your tantrum then.
No, actually shut the fuck up, and stop acting the goat.
I'm not even going to comment on the DJ Soup part, that's just ridiculous.
-
hahahaha but you're still just saying I DONT LIKE THIS WORD I BELIEVE IT'S IMMATURE and it's based on fucking nothing. it's bad and gross to name yourself Slash for fun but naming yourself Elvis to sell albums is okay?
did you know slash is one of those interesting words that is a noun, a transitive verb, and an intransitive verb? a slash can be a tear, the act of attacking an opponent illegally in hockey, the act of harsh criticism, wet or swampy ground covered with branches, signifies the virgule or /, and has a newer definition of fanfiction where the work primarily features characters having sexual intercourse, among other definitions!
sorry kid but he didn't name himself DOOKIE or HANDFUL OF PENIS, he named himself Slash and you're pretty much owned so I'd back out gracefully.
-
by naming himself slash, there is an immediate association between the act of tearing/attacking, and such other definitions with this guy's persona.
the mere thought that this guy wants us to have either an implicit/explicit/conscious/subconscious association with these COOL very rocker (rolleyes) ACTS when we hear his name is just laughable.
It is all part of the megalomaniac, narcissistic assholery, proper of idiots like this one, who expect to receive unmeasurable levels of awesome because his pseudonym is like sooo rad.
sorry, had to explain it to obtuse people who can't see the obvious.
The problem here, trystero, is that when you attack, you always fail to attack at my point, you're always missing.
-
yeah no place for narcissism and megalomania in rock and roll oh wait I pretty much owned this point with my first post?
-
the difference lies in that you can't get more obvious than SLASH.
Even STING is a bit more subtle than SLASH. Gee! I don't have a problem with sting! Marvelous!
please note this whole discussion is relative to the observer and you cannot be objective, so no matter how hard you try you will not be able to put all pseudonyms in the same bag.
Edit:
most pseudonyms are supposed to uplift a person's image.
Some are better others are worse.
Slash is not good at all
ahhhh, it's so simple..
(i'm off)
-
the difference lies in that you can't get more obvious than SLASH.
Even STING is a bit more subtle than SLASH. Gee! I don't have a problem with sting! Marvelous!
please note this whole discussion is relative to the observer and you cannot be objective, so no matter how hard you try you will not be able to put all pseudonyms in the same bag.
Edit:
most pseudonyms are supposed to uplift a person's image.
Some are better others are worse.
Slash is not good at all
ahhhh, it's so simple..
(i'm off)
what the fuck have you been talking about this entire topic
-
I dunno, read and make your own conclusion, dumbass
it is all connected
-
hey shep: did you know we're both wrong but you look even worse for it?
it's a childhood nickname given by an old family friend. he used to run around and this guy called him Slash because he would "slash about". so you've not only been complaining about a word for two pages (and hey pal it takes two to tango, you can blame me for calling you an idiot but two pages of it wouldn't have happened if you weren't being so fucking stubborn about NOTHING per usual) but you've been complaining about a childhood name that does NOT mean SLASH ABOUT ATTACK but was a loving nickname from a family friend that had nothing to do with attacking.
once again owned unless you want to bitch some more about how some words are just better than others. VOCABULARIST FASCISM christ.
-
not owned at all (lovin this competition, I have longer and thicker dicklength too)
* You looked worse than me, by being VERY ITCHED to the fact I think Slash is a stupid name.
* I didn't bitch about the word for 2 pages at all. I just made ONE COMMENT about how it is not good. Then YOU CAME, with your massive and completely unnecessary polemic rantings, in an attempt to make me look stupid for considering this particular nickname to be laughable.
* So the rest of my posts were basically: "steel take a chill pill" and trying to explain to McObtuse where my disapproval of the word comes from. That is NOT being bitchy. That's being patient.
* The fact that it is a childhood name (man you even went up and looked for the origins of his name so that you could come back at the discussion with something) does not change anything at all. I still consider it to be a silly name for the reasons given.
* You are stubborn in making the whole issue a huge deal. I don't think it is, I just calmly answer back to your disproportionate refutes. That's what lead to 2 pages of this discussion.. your insistence in not acknowledging my perception.
* Nor does it make me some sort of fascist or a horrible intolerant person if I think certain words are best not used as nicknames because of reasons already given.
* Note all perceptions are subjective and that does not exclude you.
-
are you fucking kidding me? look tex you have no room to manuever. you've made 12 posts in this topic. even with counting my double post as two separate posts? I've only made 10 (eleven counting this, but like I said I also counted a double post as two different posts!) how can you claim any sort of ground of NOT BEING CONCERNED when you've posted more and you started this entire derail to begin with??? it is not possible someone can be this catastrophically stupid, you can't claim you're less invested when you've posted more than ANYONE in the topic on this subject. so I'm "itched" about you being dumb about fucking rock names but you're apparently obsessed!
you've also not explained anything. Slash is a childhood nickname. somehow you've applied a false dichotomy where STING is not silly but Slash is. do you realize of slash's 16 or so definitions, a good portion of them have nothing to do with this bullshit HEH HES BEING A FAKE ROCKER, compared to sting's 15 definitions all having something to do with piercing something else? and that his name does not in fact originate from your bullshit claim of a lack of subtlety but a childhood nickname? oh but I forgot LOOKING IT UP is apparently a crime. god forbid someone actually google something, are you kidding me? FYI, panda IMed me that little factoid, I didn't look it up, so suck it AGAIN, this is the third time you've just been straight up ignorant. at this point you're clearly trolling because idk you love a high post count?
why won't you reply to an argument instead of claiming there's some inherent flaw in the word "slash"? why is Slash ridiculous but naming yourself after Elvis isn't? how is STING better? you just say IT JUST IS and then claim this is a calm reasoned response instead of more of your bullshit. and how come neither you nor Rockman is replying to hiphop being completely full of pseudonyms yet neither of you criticize it? is it because you recognize the stupidity of criticizing a fucking NAME no matter what it is unless it has some culturally accepted idiocy? funny how your argument looks completely stupid both prima facie and on further inspection.
no one, at all, has brought up objectivity but guess what opinions are based on something all the time. not all opinions are equal! sorry! relativity doesn't apply when you're trying to ask someone WHY they think something because then they're supposed to seek an objective way of explaining themself instead of "opinions are magical shields im safe! im cool!". I'm no big fan of the name Slash, but I also don't have a fake name dichotomy so stupid Linnaeus spins in his grave. if a name is kind of neat for some type of device like literary reference or something, that's one thing; for similar reasons, a name can be stupid, like that one punk rock band called VONNEGUTT. but this is just a fucking word. if you despise certain words for no reason other than your own perception that ITS BAD, yeah, you're being a linguistic fascist, something so incredibly dumb it makes my jaw drop.
-
wow..
you leave me completely breathless
I'm blown away by such massive amount of stupidity.
There is so much to correct and just seeing you work with this kind of logic makes me sorry. You are really narrow.
and you ridiculize yourself
I made my point and you insist on trying to find flaws.
That's not good health.
I rest my case.
-
wow..
you leave me completely breathless
I'm blown away by such massive amount of stupidity.
There is so much to correct and just seeing you work with this kind of logic makes me sorry. You are really narrow.
and you ridiculize yourself
I made my point and you insist on trying to find flaws.
That's not good health.
I rest my case.
ahaha did you just post IM TOO SMART...YOUR DUMB IM NOT REPLYING as a reply?
dude you cannot claim a high ground at all in any way in this topic, just give up already. you've got the most posts (meaning you're the one obsessed, not me!), you haven't even looked up what you've been complaining about for TWO PAGES and then proceeded to insult me for trying to save us both some time (and were STILL wrong about it because I didn't even fucking look it up, someone who read the topic told me), and you still have not responded at all, despite multiple entreaties, to any of my arguments (restating: why is sting, a word that almost exclusively has violent connotations, worse than slash, which has half non violent definitions, why is naming yourself after a verb silly but taking the name of the single most famous rocker in history to sell albums acceptable, and is hiphop exempt from this bullshit nomenclature rule because no one seems to want to address this (possibly because you know no matter what you say I will chew you up and spit you out because your knowledge of hiphop is limited to white guys rapping about star wars???)).
btw: by "resting your case", you can no longer post. see shep, unlike you, I happen to know what words mean. and by saying "I rest my case" you've given up the right to reply to this or any further post because you can only rest your case at the end. even worse, the expression "I rest my case" in popular parlance does not mean I WIN but that the opposing side has just said something (http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/I+rest+my+case) that qed proves your point. in both cases you've fucked up; in one you give up the right to pursue the argument further, and in the other you're saying you quoted me proving you right, which you never did. in both definitions you cannot "rest your case" without defenestrating your opponent through a direct citation or evidence.
normally I would just say "btw: you used rest my case wrong" but its hilarious because you're still arguing you know about the inherent value of words better than I do and instead shot yourself in the foot. ironically by your own ignorance proving that you don't know the definition of words, I can successfully just do this:
I rest my case.
no, I rest my case, because you clearly don't know what that phrase means at all and it's a good indicator you don't know what the word slash means either.
-
:laugh:
-
hahahahahahahaha
-
i don't care who started the conversation or who the real idiot is, both of you should be ashamed for arguing about such stupid shit for a page and a half.
steel, i figured you would know by now not to keep making walls of posts against Shepperd
edit: if someone wants to start another Chinese Democracy topic to comment on how the album sounds (since I don't recall anyone talking about anything more than speculation) go ahead.