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Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Parker on November 02, 2008, 12:00:07 am
EMO
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So, it's my turn to do the topic of the week. And I figured I'd address 'EMO'.

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cap'n jazz 1994

First, the term emo. No one knows exactly where it came from. However, "members of Rites of Spring mentioned in a 1985 interview in Flipside Magazine that some of their fans had started using the term to describe their music." Emo, depending on where you look, stands for either a) emotional hardcore or b) emotive hardcore. Emocore is another term that, again, depending on where you look, is either synonymous with Emo or references the first wave of emo. So there.

The genre Emo is, as mentioned before, emotional hardcore. Basically, Emo took the original "angry" hardcore punk rock and took it in the direction of melody and emotion. This is extremely evidenct in 'first wave' Emo groups, which I will address next. The Emo genre was also founded on the DIY ethics of the genre's it borrows from. Basically, Emo has deep, deep hardcore roots.

Basically, there are three 'waves' of Emo.
-First Wave (Mid 80's to Mid 90's)
-Second Wave (Early 90's to Late 90's)
-Third Wave
But, sometimes it's not best to look at FIRST WAVE EMO, SECOND WAVE EMO, etc. Maybe it's better to just break the genre down even more. So lets do that.

-Emocore (Emo, Emotive Hardcore, etc.)
-Chaotic Emo (Hardcore Emo)
-Screamo
-"Indie Emo"/Midwest Emo
Today, on this edition of TOTW, I'll be focusing on the "Indie Emo", sometimes refered to as Second Wave, or even (ugh) "Post-Emo". I think I'll work backwards through Emo music, eventually, going back to the origins (in a later topic).

So. Indie Emo. Most of my favorite 'Indie Emo' groups I would actually categorize as Midwest Emo, which originated (mostly) from *gasp* the midwest! I started typing a huge paragraph talking about important CD's and releases and stuff, but instead I think I'll just do some ARTIST PROFILES. Artists that I think are important or totally awesome.

Now, all those groups are fairly well known, as far as Emo groups go. You could find their CD's pretty easily, and I highly recommend you look them up. There are SO many Emo groups, however, that fly under the radar, and they deserve some recognition. Lets start.

Other groups to look into, that deserve mentioning:
Knapsack, Jawbreaker, The Get Up Kids, The Anniversary, Excitebike, Elliott, Cross My Heart, Chamberlain, Boy Problems, Make Me, Texas Is The Reason, The Stella Brass, Ryerose, Mineral, Malegoat, The Kossabone Red, Kid Brother Collective, Katzenstreik, The Little Explorer, Camber, The Player Piano, Empire! Empire! (I Was A Lonely Estate), Evergreen, Fireside, Jawbox, Lync, Juno, Owls, Seam, September, and countless others.

This genre has a lot to offer. And I'm probably not the best one to be describing it, or introducing it, but I have a passion for this music. The soft/loud dynamics of Indian Summer. The raw emotion of the vocals from I Hate Myself. The beauty of American Football's songs. Heck, the beauty of Indian Summer songs. The energy of Edaline, Cap'n Jazz, Empire State Games, Street Smart Cyclist. I dunno. It's just something I've grown to love. You should look into it.

(decided to throw pictures in here to make it look nicer but it doesn't look nicer so you'll have to just deal with it looking like 1995 geocities)
(i dont know what else to put was this a good topic yes/no)
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Wash Cycle on November 02, 2008, 02:19:01 am
I predict 95% responses to this topic will be of a negative nature. time to get off to a flying start

this is pretty much a musically worthless genre. there is nothing groundbreaking being done by anyone in the emo genre, which as far as I have seen (and thanks to who I hung around with in high school (people that were cool but still listened to shitmusic) its quite a bit) and I find it mostly to be a tiresome vamp of really boring musical themes and ideas that were maybe new in the 80s but are certainly now quite played out and other than for nostalgia's sake I cannot see why anyone would want to be into this underground style of music.

What does any one of these bands bring to the table that anyone over the age of 18 could appreciate? I'm not really sure there is anything honestly. The genre is rife with poor musicianship, which to me is very important, and I realize that its not important to everyone (I too many people that would argue that Leonard Cohen was great at either guitar or at singing but his heart was in the right place and damnit he could write a tune) but still. Theres no substance to the music, theres no substance to much of the lyrical content, there seems to not be much of a purpose for most of these bands other than "lets make our music as bland, saccharine, sappy and as uninspiring as possible"

that said within every genre there are dedicated musicians who have their shit together and make worthwhile music, but I think the percentage of the whole is especially low for so called 'emo' music, and thus the genre reallllllly carries no weight in my opinion. It also seems like much of the fanbase of underground emo music (not the commercialized shit thats on MTV now) seems to have the same sort of obsession that metalheads do about their obscure shit and listening to weird/bad music on purpose for the sake of one upping their cool level in an environment where people are talking about music. I find this to be fairly despicable, and most if not all of the people I know that are really into this shit are like that.

also a lot of this shit seems very put on if not affected in my opinion which is pretty despicable. sorry for my lack of coherence but damn I feel strongly about this
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: tomohawkjoe on November 02, 2008, 03:44:32 am
Man, I could never get into cap'n jazz and every one kept telling me to listen to them, but fuck, I'm not really a fan of the more "indie" emo stuff. I enjoy screamo stuff more, it just feels really intense at times.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: blood hell on November 02, 2008, 04:18:11 am
i dont get it is this saying other punk music is devoid of emotion??? its weird to me you would name a genre based on something most worthwhile music has
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 02, 2008, 04:36:49 am
I listened to a lot of emo as a teenager, but then I realized the large majority of it sucked and got some taste, so that kind of killed that!  A lot of even the earlier, less commercial shit is just sappy self-indulgent garbage that appeals to the most self-involved of stupid teens.  However, I do disagree with some of the stuff being said in here, sort of, so I'll reply a bit.

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i dont get it is this saying other punk music is devoid of emotion??? its weird to me you would name a genre based on something most worthwhile music has
The genre's name is completely arbitrary and doesn't mean anything, and no one takes it seriously at all.  INDIE is a misnomer too, but basically who gives a fuck.

Wash Cycle, occasionally something interesting will be done.  Most emo tended to be pretty heavily introspective, and musically, they sometimes did a pretty good job of mirroring that.  Like, once they got away from the stupid JAMBAND nonsense, their music tended to kind of meander aimlessly through a song, if you understand what I mean by that, and this fit the tone of the lyrics and the genre in general very well.  This is probably the most interesting thing emo ever did but I thought it was impressive whenever I'd listen to an actual decent band. It's not as if all anyone sings about is BROKEN HEARTS or whatever, but at the same time most emo vocalists suffered from such heavy levels of self-absorption that it really did probably kind of appeal almost exclusively to adolescents in tone, if not content.

Also, ALL people who're into lesser known genres do that cred bullshit; it's not just metal/emo.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Parker on November 02, 2008, 06:30:10 am
Quote from: Wash Cycle on November 02, 2008, 02:19:01 am
I predict 95% responses to this topic will be of a negative nature. time to get off to a flying start

this is pretty much a musically worthless genre. there is nothing groundbreaking being done by anyone in the emo genre, which as far as I have seen (and thanks to who I hung around with in high school (people that were cool but still listened to shitmusic) its quite a bit) and I find it mostly to be a tiresome vamp of really boring musical themes and ideas that were maybe new in the 80s but are certainly now quite played out and other than for nostalgia's sake I cannot see why anyone would want to be into this underground style of music.

What does any one of these bands bring to the table that anyone over the age of 18 could appreciate? I'm not really sure there is anything honestly. The genre is rife with poor musicianship, which to me is very important, and I realize that its not important to everyone (I too many people that would argue that Leonard Cohen was great at either guitar or at singing but his heart was in the right place and damnit he could write a tune) but still. Theres no substance to the music, theres no substance to much of the lyrical content, there seems to not be much of a purpose for most of these bands other than "lets make our music as bland, saccharine, sappy and as uninspiring as possible"

that said within every genre there are dedicated musicians who have their shit together and make worthwhile music, but I think the percentage of the whole is especially low for so called 'emo' music, and thus the genre reallllllly carries no weight in my opinion. It also seems like much of the fanbase of underground emo music (not the commercialized shit thats on MTV now) seems to have the same sort of obsession that metalheads do about their obscure shit and listening to weird/bad music on purpose for the sake of one upping their cool level in an environment where people are talking about music. I find this to be fairly despicable, and most if not all of the people I know that are really into this shit are like that.

also a lot of this shit seems very put on if not affected in my opinion which is pretty despicable. sorry for my lack of coherence but damn I feel strongly about this
Huh.

I don't even know what to say. You win? I guess that's what you're looking for. And you're right. There hasn't been anything groundbreaking done by anyone in the emo genre. Or the jazz genre. Or the electronica genre. The classical genre. Metal. Bluegrass. Country. Rap. Indie. Punk. Pop Punk. Math Rock. Noise Rock. Hip Hop. Post Rock. It's all been done before, dude.

I dunno. Just about everything you said is just kind of silly.

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Theres no substance to the music, theres no substance to much of the lyrical content, there seems to not be much of a purpose for most of these bands other than "lets make our music as bland, saccharine, sappy and as uninspiring as possible"
You could say this about ANY genre. No substance to the music of [insert ][/insert], no substance to the lyrics of [insert ][/insert]. And I actually am inspired by a lot of emo groups.

Also, Wash Cycle. Do you not enjoy Punk or Hardcore music? Cause if so, then that makes sense.


Also, not gonna lie, a lot of Emo groups are very pretentious. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. But you get that in every genre.


And yeah, headphonics got it right. It's just a name that was given to a sub-genre of Hardcore Punk.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 02, 2008, 06:41:01 am
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I don't even know what to say. You win? I guess that's what you're looking for. And you're right. There hasn't been anything groundbreaking done by anyone in the emo genre. Or the jazz genre. Or the electronica genre. The classical genre. Metal. Bluegrass. Country. Rap. Indie. Punk. Pop Punk. Math Rock. Noise Rock. Hip Hop. Post Rock. It's all been done before, dude.
lol
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: DS on November 02, 2008, 09:52:50 am
I can't say I'm a fan of emo but to be honest, I don't really mind it either. A lot of people mistake emo for all those shitty bands like Fall Out Boy and My Chemical Romance and I definitely can't stomach them at all but artists like The Appleseed Cast, Sunny Day Real Estate, American Football and Cap'n Jazz are good, especially The Appleseed Cast which I really really like. Honestly speaking, I haven't really even tried to check out the genre and I'm not that well educated on it, I don't really have any interest in starting to check out the genre any more than I have but I can still appreciate music which falls into that genre. Plus I like everything from indie to hardcore punk to post-hardcore so it shouldn't be too surprising I'd like some emo as well.

In short, I don't really care for the genre but I definitely listen to some emo(ish) stuff. And I don't see anything wrong with it.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 02, 2008, 10:21:55 am
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I don't even know what to say. You win? I guess that's what you're looking for. And you're right. There hasn't been anything groundbreaking done by anyone in the emo genre. Or the jazz genre. Or the electronica genre. The classical genre. Metal. Bluegrass. Country. Rap. Indie. Punk. Pop Punk. Math Rock. Noise Rock. Hip Hop. Post Rock. It's all been done before, dude.
just wanna reiterate that this qualifies as one of the top 5 most completely inaccurate things jojoface has ever said.  this is quite the feat!!!  lets talk about how jojoface thinks jazz, blues, electronica, and classical are no more groundbreaking than emo.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Randy Moist on November 02, 2008, 10:29:27 am
The only 2 bands in this topic I've got on my computer are Brand New and American Football (which I got from GW) and I've heard my fair share of all of them over the years (high school and some freshmen year) through friends who really bought into it. I dunno for the most part it represents a lot of what I hate in music (self indulgent was said and that's probably the best word for how I fell about it) and while it can create emotion and response from me it's often in the same way that metal does; a single feeling in this case high-energy and sad.

I dunno, people seem to come off hard on emo but there might be a good reason and in that a lot of the elements in a band that turns me off of them is what makes a band part of the genre.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Farren on November 02, 2008, 10:46:23 am
I thought emo died

why are you trying to dig it out of its grave. just....let it die.................
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Wash Cycle on November 02, 2008, 02:41:53 pm
Quote from: headphonics on November 02, 2008, 10:21:55 am
just wanna reiterate that this qualifies as one of the top 5 most completely inaccurate things jojoface has ever said.  this is quite the feat!!!  lets talk about how jojoface thinks jazz, blues, electronica, and classical are no more groundbreaking than emo.
damnit you got to this first

also btw I do like some punk music, but its basically limited to anything that jello biafra is in, rockabilly and most cow-punk and some scattered british bands here and there. As a whole I do not enjoy punk music much or the whole message/attitude associated with it. I have a lot of respect for certain groups of punk musicians but like I said, on the whole its something I'm not too interested in.

but yeah it sounds to me jojo like you havent really been exposed to a lot of good music, because I cant really see why you have held onto this stuff for so long heh
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: cowardknower on November 02, 2008, 02:50:46 pm
I don't think emo is 100% worthless-- I actually like Jimmy Eat World (bleed american anyway, i think its a p original sounding album).

The whole comment about nothing new being done in any genre though is outrageously stupid.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: FrostyPink on November 02, 2008, 03:22:34 pm
Quote from: Wash Cycle on November 02, 2008, 02:19:01 am
this is pretty much a musically worthless genre. there is nothing groundbreaking being done by anyone in the emo genre, which as far as I have seen (and thanks to who I hung around with in high school (people that were cool but still listened to shitmusic) its quite a bit)
I half agree with this statement; majority of emo music is samey and very tiresome of the same formula.
Untill I heard some emo bands that really impressed me, namely, Gospel (emo with progressive, psychedellic and eastern influences in their music, often having many instrumental sections in their music). Just to point out (before YOU notice it) the vocals are quite terrible, but are only a small portion of the music.
http://www.myspace.com/gospel

After that, the band in the emo genre that really began to appeal to me was Envy (japanese band that can make beautiful use of harmonising guitars and often switch between clean and distorted parts). While not as progressive (or as good imo) it's worth checking out if you like any of the bands posted in the first post.
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=1000414234

So, my opinion on emo music: there are some gems in a pile of hay, you just got to find them.

P.S. And yeah, JoJo's comment on all genres not being groundbreaking in anyway is ridiculous, but so is Wash Cycle's comment on emo not being groundbreaking in any way. Somewhere in every genre, some people are tyring to innovate, whether you have heard it or not is a different matter.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Lyndon on November 02, 2008, 03:31:14 pm
The only emo bands I like at the moment are Jimmy eat world (clarity) and Death Cab for Cutie. The main thing I dislike about emo music is the adolescent whiny voice a lot of them do :/ 
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Shepperd on November 02, 2008, 03:37:24 pm
Quote from: Tophue on November 02, 2008, 04:18:11 am
i dont get it is this saying other punk music is devoid of emotion???
first wave of punk, the original punk from the late 70s, y'know, of the likes of Sex Pistols, yeah they were devoid of emotions. It revolved on the "vacant, bored, no future" slogan.
But ever since, yeah punk is pretty emotionally packed, it is just that there are different readings of what is emotion.

Black Flag, is emotional, but you could read it as lacking emotion (it is a perspective thing). Rites of Spring took that hardcore from Black Flag and Minor Threat and gave it more cathartic vocals and lyrics. So there lies the difference.

Regardless, Emo as a whole is a very inmature way of categorizing music, But it appeals to teenagers because it pretends to maximize emotions which is what teens experiment at that phase of their lives, a phase that is pretty irrational and inconsistent.
If you know how to handle your emotions and have high self esteem, you'd be probably over that.
Emo is teenager music.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 02, 2008, 05:11:46 pm
probably not conducive to a big emo discussion but: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvvJ9G26u88 whenever I hear songs like this I am like HEY THIS SOUNDS LIKE IF TALK TALK WASNT ONLY ABOUT JESUS AND PLAYED SLIGHTLY HARDER.

am I off or what?
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: tomohawkjoe on November 02, 2008, 05:33:58 pm
Just posting to say envy does indeed rule hard.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Parker on November 02, 2008, 09:00:23 pm
Anyone mind showing me something GROUNDBREAKING being done musically? It's ALL been done before. Maybe I'm just blind.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 02, 2008, 09:08:03 pm
theres a noise topic. all this globalization of music has started to combine 12 tone theory with all this maqam shit from the middle east blah blah modern composers I LISTEN TO XENAKIS *gets killed outside of Sydney Opera House*

but more importantly you're taking his words at face value instead of at meaning and hands are a little achey so reread and maybe post again?
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Kaworu on November 02, 2008, 09:24:36 pm
Hi my name is JOJOFACE, I have never heard of Ornette Coleman, Miles Davis, Sun Ra, John Coltrane, Herbie Hancock, Theolonious Monk, George Duke, Frank Zappa, bob james, Weather Report, Al Di Meola, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Pierre Morelan or any other jazz and/or jazz fusion musician who has existed, and I am completely oblivious to the history of a musical style which has done nothing but break boundries and reinvent itself when it's on the verge of becomming stale. For me, when I think of Jazz I think of Wynton Marsalis.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 02, 2008, 09:28:25 pm
ive got harsh words for some of those folks especially ornette coleman.

but fuck marsalis. i read miles davis's biography, dude was so disrespectful it made me ANGRY irl.

seriously tho you expecting jojoface to keep up with this when i bet he chewin on kenny g still :( (woulda namedropped him in place of marsalis even if yours is more fitting!)
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Vale on November 02, 2008, 09:29:34 pm
I think Jojoface is referring to groundbreaking music being made very recently.  I'm not much of a music expert but Kaworu/Octave I think most of the artists you listed are older than what he was thinking of.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 02, 2008, 09:35:20 pm
coleman won a pulitzer last year if I remember right. most of the above are still performing or were around much more recently than you're thinking.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Barack Obama on November 02, 2008, 09:45:59 pm
Emo is basically a made-up genre. It was all just a bunch of bad garage bands playing indie rock and either they or their fans still wanted to be associated with the HARDCORE scene so EMO was born
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Parker on November 02, 2008, 10:06:48 pm
Quote from: The Octave Doctor on November 02, 2008, 09:24:36 pm
Hi my name is JOJOFACE, I have never heard of Ornette Coleman, Miles Davis, Sun Ra, John Coltrane, Herbie Hancock, Theolonious Monk, George Duke, Frank Zappa, bob james, Weather Report, Al Di Meola, Mahavishnu Orchestra, Pierre Morelan or any other jazz and/or jazz fusion musician who has existed, and I am completely oblivious to the history of a musical style which has done nothing but break boundries and reinvent itself when it's on the verge of becomming stale. For me, when I think of Jazz I think of Wynton Marsalis.
Wash Cycle said "there is nothing groundbreaking being done by anyone in the emo genre". As in RECENTLY. As in NOW, THE PRESENT. So I took that and applied it to every other genre. Frank Zappa is dead, Miles Davis is dead, Weather Report has been around since like, the 70's man.

Oh, and just read Vale's comment. Yeah. And Coleman may have won a pulitzer last year, I don't know. But regardless, they did all of their "groundbreaking work" ages ago. I'm talking about NOW. What GROUNDBREAKING music is being made right now? It's all been done before.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Parker on November 02, 2008, 10:08:08 pm
Quote from: DietCoke on November 02, 2008, 09:45:59 pm
Emo is basically a made-up genre. It was all just a bunch of bad garage bands playing indie rock and either they or their fans still wanted to be associated with the HARDCORE scene so EMO was born
thats retarded. emo had nothing to do with indie rock. wasnt until later the two were blended.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 02, 2008, 10:24:38 pm
dude.


oh snap.

did you just challenge kaworu and me to list every innovative group right now?

are you sure you don't want to rethink this?

i could do this one hand behind my back with just hiphop alone.

you're kind of stepping into an area you got no business bein in bubbo.

fuck I'll do it with "classical" (not a real genre) music. apparently you want young men and women which btw is the stupidest thing ever. frank mccourt wrote angela's ashes at like 60. people get better as they get older and apparently being alive in the seventies invalidates you making groundbreaking stuff now. we'll also skip noise. lets see OFF MY MUSIC LIBRARY ALONE and minimalist composers.

gorecki is still around. arvo part. terry riley. is reich alive, lemme check wiki, he is, GLASS HEH, la monte young, john adams, is satie alive? i liked gymnopedies, JOHN CALE LOL.

and thats not a genre i know well at all. those were all big hitters, still around, in a genre you apparently dont know the meaning of please just take our word for it all those genres you've listed are moving ahead. your goal should be to prove emo is as well, not that the fucking blues are dead.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 02, 2008, 10:32:42 pm
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Wash Cycle said "there is nothing groundbreaking being done by anyone in the emo genre". As in RECENTLY. As in NOW, THE PRESENT. So I took that and applied it to every other genre. Frank Zappa is dead, Miles Davis is dead, Weather Report has been around since like, the 70's man.
man don't be so goddamn literal.  he said IS but since the topic is about bands that are over ten years old, is it more likely that he is REFERRING TO THIS VERY MOMENT (NOW!!!) or that he fucked up his tenses???

anyway yeah i liked clarity too.  i thought it sounded interesting but steel was like HEH THIS IS GARBAGE...SOUNDS LIKE BAD PROG.  fuck him tho
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Wash Cycle on November 02, 2008, 11:04:48 pm
oh for the record jojo the only place groundbreaking shit is being done right now is so far out of your scope that you wouldnt even begin to comprehend it if you heard it

that said its not like I am into all this avant-garde shit that I listen to for kicks. in fact I listen to a lot of music that most people would consider pretty boring. but at the same time I tend to enjoy music for other reasons than it being 'groundbreaking' or whatever. I just used that word the way I did because I believe that 'emo' is a really stale group of bands and musicians that arent doing anything interesting or musically worthwhile.

you see, as a musician, I tend to listen to music that is more difficult than what I can myself play. so I can learn from it, and better myself as a musician. also by picking up on the grooves of many others I can blend it into my own groove and enrich myself as a person. and emo offers me none of this so I suppose I am pretty biased.

even if I didnt have that perspective though I'd probably think that all this stuff is objectively pretty shitty
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 03, 2008, 12:25:05 am
on yet another small derail note I read the reason people call orchestral music "classical" (and believe me i know ORCHESTRAL is almost as bad a misnomer but I hope you know what I mean) was because the upper class wanted to appear cultured so they named Bach through Beethoven as "classical" so they could pretend it was from a better musical age.

aristocracy's a bunch of dopes.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Shepperd on November 03, 2008, 12:50:56 am
Quote from: Wash Cycle on November 02, 2008, 11:04:48 pm
you see, as a musician, I tend to listen to music that is more difficult than what I can myself play. so I can learn from it, and better myself as a musician. also by picking up on the grooves of many others I can blend it into my own groove and enrich myself as a person. and emo offers me none of this so I suppose I am pretty biased.
jesus christ.
I'm like, the complete opposite.

As a musician, I don't listen to stuff because it is better than me or much more complex. I listen to music that can emit feelings in good ways, subtle ways, artistic ways. Music that can emit a message in interesting, original ways.
They kind of help me in making my own songs.
It is all about the creative songwriting, and that doesn't imply weedley-weedly wee with you geetar or some impressive drum solo.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Barack Obama on November 03, 2008, 03:40:09 am
Quote from: JOJOFACE on November 02, 2008, 10:08:08 pm
thats retarded. emo had nothing to do with indie rock. wasnt until later the two were blended.

all the "first wave" bands you posted were all basically indie(independent, not the imaginary genre)-rock bands with connections to the hardcore scene.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Parker on November 03, 2008, 06:17:55 am
Quote from: DietCoke on November 03, 2008, 03:40:09 am
all the "first wave" bands you posted were all basically indie(independent, not the imaginary genre)-rock bands with connections to the hardcore scene.
seriously? indie rock is a genre dude.

And the first wave of emo groups WERE hardcore groups.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: FrostyPink on November 03, 2008, 08:37:13 am
Quote from: JOJOFACE on November 03, 2008, 06:17:55 am
And the first wave of emo groups WERE hardcore groups.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you're correct there, Jojoface. Emo did spawn DIRECTLY from Hardcore punk, pretty much.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: unusualgamer on November 03, 2008, 08:38:05 am
Man, I absolutely love Cap'n Jazz, American Football, Texas is the Reason, The Promise Ring, etc.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Barack Obama on November 03, 2008, 10:37:30 am
Quote from: JOJOFACE on November 03, 2008, 06:17:55 am
seriously? indie rock is a genre dude.
Indie rock has always been shorthand for independent rock until recently when people started thinking of it as some kind of meaningless pseudo-genre that can be arbitrarily assigned to just about anything from the pixies to sufjan stevens.

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And the first wave of emo groups WERE hardcore groups.
Not really, I really wouldn't lump Rites of Spring or Embrace in with Bad Brains, Black Flag, or Minor Threat, but w/e. Even if it were the case, why the need to create ANOTHER genre tag?


kids today love to make up and assign genres for so much shit that it just seems like a pointless exercise in frivolous bullshit. "emo" is particularly guilty of this because it's the most visible example of a pretty vague and arbitrary "genre" that gets argued about to absurd lengths because it doesn't have any real meaning outside of 'a bunch of rock bands associated with the hardcore scene who's song subjects had to do with the singers feelings instead of angry political themes'. Sorta like the whole "grunge" thing we had going on up here in seattle.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Barack Obama on November 03, 2008, 10:44:42 am
As a musician myself....
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Kaworu on November 03, 2008, 06:09:44 pm
EDIT: Several Hours outta date and discussion has moved on but...

There's actually a really cool jazz scene that's only recent, kinda hard to describe, kinda... stoner-jazz? Somewhat descended from acid jazz, it's about dem trip/hip-hop beats(sometimes sampled from old jazz/funk) and the improvisation of jazz creating a really really down to earth street sound, really melancholic and shit. it's hinted on in Cujo-Adventures in foam, but Nostalgia 77-songs for my funeral is a really good example.
Also John Zorn is like the John Cage of jazz, so if you think it's just recycling the same motiffs then definately check out "The Dreamers" released this year.

I thought the indie label came to what it now meant because them alternate pop bands from a ten years ago thought themselves too edge and "obscure"(going platinum is a sure sign of obscurity) to be mere... pop music. Franz Ferdinand... they are so independent.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Wash Cycle on November 03, 2008, 06:55:14 pm
Quote from: DJ Soup on November 03, 2008, 12:50:56 am
jesus christ.
I'm like, the complete opposite.

As a musician, I don't listen to stuff because it is better than me or much more complex. I listen to music that can emit feelings in good ways, subtle ways, artistic ways. Music that can emit a message in interesting, original ways.
They kind of help me in making my own songs.
It is all about the creative songwriting, and that doesn't imply weedley-weedly wee with you geetar or some impressive drum solo.
by better than what I can myself do doesnt necessarily mean in terms of technical ability and everything man. I also mean better than what I am emotionally capable of doing as well.

also another difference between you and I is that you can actually write music. I'm a drummer with no ability to play a melodic instrument so yeahhh
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 03, 2008, 07:00:44 pm
i knew you were going to say that and was thinking about preempting it for you but i'll be honest: i was more surprised a discussion about emo included shepperd posts that had nothing to do with nitpicking the genre name.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Shepperd on November 03, 2008, 08:18:14 pm
Quote from: Pidgeotto221 on November 03, 2008, 07:00:44 pm
i knew you were going to say that and was thinking about preempting it for you but i'll be honest: i was more surprised a discussion about emo included shepperd posts that had nothing to do with nitpicking the genre name.
stop stereotyping me.
I'm not consistent. Never have been.
get that
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 03, 2008, 09:58:34 pm
nah you're actually very consistent in almost every other topic.  to the point of being predictable, really!


also this
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Sorta like the whole "grunge" thing we had going on up here in seattle.
wait, are you making this comparison just because grunge also dealt with mostly introspective/observant shit, or were you comparing grunge to emo as another example of an unnecessary genre?
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Barack Obama on November 03, 2008, 10:12:50 pm
Quote from: headphonics on November 03, 2008, 09:58:34 pm
also thiswait, are you making this comparison just because grunge also dealt with mostly introspective/observant shit, or were you comparing grunge to emo as another example of an unnecessary genre?
the latter.

Grunge was basically a scene that grew around the noisy hard rock independent music scene that weren't a whole lot different from the likes of Husker Du or Dinosaur Jr., but people felt compelled to create a new genre that was pretty much completely meaningless. Kinda like emo, it even had its own fashion too!

This is some high-fidelity music nerd bullshit, but it's just one of those things that I feel I need to shit all over every time I see it because it's fucking retarded.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Barack Obama on November 03, 2008, 10:22:35 pm
xXmy favorite emo bands is dashboard confessional and deathcab for cutieXx
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: ThugTears666 on November 03, 2008, 10:27:08 pm
Quote from: Pidgeotto221 on November 03, 2008, 07:00:44 pm
i knew you were going to say that and was thinking about preempting it for you but i'll be honest: i was more surprised a discussion about emo included shepperd posts that had nothing to do with nitpicking the genre name.

gotta agree there, i came into this topic expecting the exact same thing
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Shepperd on November 03, 2008, 11:30:08 pm
Quote from: headphonics on November 03, 2008, 09:58:34 pm
nah you're actually very consistent in almost every other topic.  to the point of being predictable, really!
think again
I didn't use to be that way, then I started to be so, then I stopped. You have to expand your timeline of analysis.

I'm like, back in good mood here. Got fed up of acting like the asshole. (might go back to old self in an year)
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 04, 2008, 02:19:02 am
Quote from: DietCoke on November 03, 2008, 10:12:50 pm
the latter.

Grunge was basically a scene that grew around the noisy hard rock independent music scene that weren't a whole lot different from the likes of Husker Du or Dinosaur Jr., but people felt compelled to create a new genre that was pretty much completely meaningless. Kinda like emo, it even had its own fashion too!

This is some high-fidelity music nerd bullshit, but it's just one of those things that I feel I need to shit all over every time I see it because it's fucking retarded.
I'm not sure I think grunge was meaningless, though.  The problem with emo is that it was completely arbitrary and unnecessary.  It was just a silly differentiation and it didn't even represent a particular movement.  I agree that most grunge acts sounded pretty close to stuff like Dinosaur Jr and that if they were just BANDS, there would be no need for grunge as a genre to exist, but it was this huge, city- and ultimately nation-wide movement that got far bigger than its influences ever had been.  I kind of think of grunge as being an acceptable brand because I think once something gets to be that widespread, it's more acceptable to label it than if it is just a few bands doing something.  Like, they could've called it indie rock in the same way their roots were ACTUAL indie rock, but I think classing that entire scene with all of its predecessors on the basis that they were musically very similar would have belied the size and the strength of the movement.

I think the same thing about post-punk, more or less; the large majority of bands in that genre could easily have been called indie rock in the very accurate sense of the term, because there isn't really a single POST-PUNK SOUND or anything, but I think certain genres like grunge/post-punk are based more around a certain event or period or movement than they are the qualities of the music itself.  I'm alright with this!  The problem I have with emo and indie is that emo was too small a difference and too little a movement to really justify considering it separately from hardcore or whatever, and indie isn't ANYTHING.  It's not a movement, it's just a catch-all term for anything even remotely sub-mainstream.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Ryan on November 04, 2008, 02:29:15 am
Quote from: DietCoke on November 03, 2008, 10:12:50 pm
the latter.

Grunge was basically a scene that grew around the noisy hard rock independent music scene that weren't a whole lot different from the likes of Husker Du or Dinosaur Jr., but people felt compelled to create a new genre that was pretty much completely meaningless. Kinda like emo, it even had its own fashion too!

This is some high-fidelity music nerd bullshit, but it's just one of those things that I feel I need to shit all over every time I see it because it's fucking retarded.

idk man, bands like pearl jam and soundgarden are vastly different from like husker du and dinosaur jr. more than enough to warrant their own genre!
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 04, 2008, 02:37:40 am
Well, they sounded different, but I think you could still more or less accurately call something like that ALT ROCK or just HARD ROCK or something.  There wasn't anything that separated most grunge band from at least one or two other genres, in my opinion, besides the fact that they belonged to the grunge rock movement.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Ryan on November 04, 2008, 02:48:27 am
yeah that's true. tho at the time there wasn't much of a "hard rock" or "alt rock" scene around, it was mainly SCORPION and MOTLEY CRUE and shit. they were like the REEMERGENCE of alt/hard rock but instead of just calling them alt/hard rock they gave them their own genre, because they had different roots or w/e.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 04, 2008, 02:50:01 am
Yeah I agree, it kind of depends on what's going on in those other scenes at the time.  Like, Nirvana could technically be ALT ROCK I suppose if you just listened to it, because it is clearly rock-based and it is clearly kind of ALT to the mainstream conception of what rock is.  But then you realize that what is generally accepted as alt rock at the time is PAVEMENT and SHERYL CROW and you're like whelp, can't call it alt rock!
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Beasley on November 04, 2008, 03:55:51 am
genres are silly things.


nirvana is a of blend of grunge-inspired ankst and alt-rock sensibility which is something they can attribute much of their success too
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 04, 2008, 03:57:00 am
did you copy that from allmusic or is that supposed to be a joke or something???
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Beasley on November 04, 2008, 04:20:38 am
it's a joke idk maybe it was a bad one??

also what is allmusic i am assuming some shitty review site let me look ok i'm right cool
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 04, 2008, 04:34:25 am
oh sorry, i thought you were being serious because i did not really get THE JOKE unless it was to come off like kind of a musicdouche!  c....carry on...
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Wash Cycle on November 04, 2008, 07:05:20 am
haha no allmusic.com is actually pretty good I dont know what you're talking about

granted I dont usually look up much alt rock on allmusic.com either so yeah maybe that particular nexus on the site's web of information is pretty shitty lol, but I find it to be a very useful website.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 04, 2008, 07:08:56 am
I think it's useful insofar as finding out a band's history, members, discography, and other FACTS.  I think the reviews are pretty much worthless, though, because it seems like they just pull them from random other sites and sometimes you get a good one by a guy who clearly knows what he is talking about, and other times you get one by a chump saying Paris Hilton's album is good.  Also, their IF YOU LIKE THIS BAND, YOU MIGHT LIKE... blows and sometimes I have no idea how they connect bands with one another.  Like Sonic Youth?  Then maybe you will like: Creed.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Wash Cycle on November 04, 2008, 07:23:44 am
oh yeah fuck their reviews haha

their reviewers are worse than the reviewers on pitchfork insofaras NOT MAKING ANY FUCKING SENSE is concerned

yeah just find a band on allmusic and then make a pandora station to find similar bands. However this does not work for any kind of world music other than afrobeat and latin/brazilian shit and whatever asian shit nerds listen to
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: the bloddy ghost on November 04, 2008, 07:42:29 am
someone once called the mountain goats emo while I was listening to them.

Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Barack Obama on November 04, 2008, 10:21:18 am
Quote from: Tomato on November 04, 2008, 07:42:29 am
someone once called the mountain goats emo while I was listening to them.


How do you know it's NOT emo?

after all... it is pretty emotional stuff.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Beasley on November 05, 2008, 02:33:32 am
hey speaking of reviews what is a music publication that is ACTUALLY GOOD AND DEPENDABLE because i cant find one thats for sure!

serious question btw
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 05, 2008, 03:03:44 am
tell me when you find one lol

no but really, what is GOOD?  So much of music is subjective, not just in terms of quality, but in terms of TASTE.  even in a good publication, unless they completely matched your tastes all the time, you'd probably regularly not care for the shit they praise.  or maybe you'd like it a lot and they'd call it shit.  so if you're looking for reliable reviews, basically i'm saying i think they're all kind of worthless and you should just listen for yourself, even if something gets shitty reviews.

but if you're talking about just STAYING ABREAST then idk, it depends on what you're into.  i use pitchfork to keep posted on INDIE ROCK//OTHER WHITEGUY MUSIC because honestly, they cover like everything that comes out in that scene, and if you ignore their shitty reviews, they're not a bad site for just CONTENT.  i don't use it so much now that i'm kind of getting out of that stuff, though.  there's probably some hip hop equivalent, too.  when it comes to old music, though, you're kind of fucked i think.  like very few publications talk about the chameleons or wipers or marine girls or wire or teardrop explodes or any other shit that is basically pre-current scene with any consistency.  what you have to do at that point is find music blogs run by good taste and just kind of go by what they upload and if you like it, find more stuff like that!  there's that one internet radio site that is like IF YOU LIKE THIS, CHCK THIS OUT that's pretty good, too (at least this is what people say!).

that's basically how i got a lot my music.  i would read a lot of blogs or look up reviews of older albums and if i liked them i would look into more shit form that scene.  like my reading about young marble giants, giving them a listen, and realizing i liked them a lot led me to look them up and be exposed other post-punk genre as a whole.  whenever you can find a specific band that you're really into, it's pretty easy to find sites or forums or whatever where people talk about them and bands similar to them, most of which you've probably never heard of, and that is a great source.  like i was on rapidshare looking for a chameleons album when i found a topic linking the one i was looking for AND a bunch of other shit and it turns out most of it was good, and that is how i got into wire.  basically try to find people with similar tastes and see what other stuff they listen to.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Beasley on November 05, 2008, 03:16:44 am
k thx
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 05, 2008, 04:21:23 pm
pandas kind of talking bizarre. I use Dusted for my INDIE ROCK NEEDS but there are loads of old time music blogs out there. there's cocaine blunts for hiphop, etc.

my lihnks.......they're all falling out of my head...
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 05, 2008, 09:26:07 pm
okay cocain blunts: http://www.cocaineblunts.com/ for hiphop. if you want more of a talking thing, I've been dropping ill doctrine around here http://www.illdoctrine.com/ theres brainwashed http://brainwashed.com/ and dusted http://www.dustedmagazine.com/ which are more magazine oriented. beware of the blog gets name drops buti dont like the layout http://blog.wfmu.org/ mutant sounds is good if you want to know about shit no one will ever bring up http://mutant-sounds.blogspot.com/ killed in cars owns http://killedincars.blogspot.com/

I dont check any of these regularly and I backed it up with some sa posts i had saved so if you've been looking none of these will be big secrets. there's also the issue that the really good ones all link mp3s which is illegal.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Kaworu on November 05, 2008, 09:30:08 pm
Someone's obviously never heard of Rolling Stone :colb:
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 05, 2008, 10:08:14 pm
Quote from: Pidgeotto221 on November 05, 2008, 04:21:23 pm
pandas kind of talking bizarre. I use Dusted for my INDIE ROCK NEEDS but there are loads of old time music blogs out there. there's cocaine blunts for hiphop, etc.

my lihnks.......they're all falling out of my head...
i said use blogs!
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Beasley on November 06, 2008, 12:53:48 am
steel for someone that is so big on TASTE i am surprised how much you like rap considering it has waaayyyyy more shit  then quality available out there

like there is a lot of good in the genre but idk you just dont strike me HUP HOP GUY
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Shepperd on November 06, 2008, 01:41:22 am
Quote from: DietCoke on November 04, 2008, 10:21:18 am
How do you know it's NOT emo?

after all... it is pretty emotional stuff.
Niandra LaDes and Usually Just A T-shirt is one of the most emotional record I've heard in my life and yet still, it is not emo

very misterio
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Barack Obama on November 06, 2008, 01:47:26 am
Quote from: DJ Soup on November 06, 2008, 01:41:22 am
Niandra LaDes and Usually Just A T-shirt is one of the most emotional record I've heard in my life and yet still, it is not emo

very misterio
emo can mean whatever I want it to mean
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Beasley on November 06, 2008, 04:33:51 am
ooooo snap
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 06, 2008, 05:07:50 am
Quote from: Beasley on November 06, 2008, 12:53:48 am
steel for someone that is so big on TASTE i am surprised how much you like rap considering it has waaayyyyy more shit  then quality available out there

like there is a lot of good in the genre but idk you just dont strike me HUP HOP GUY
what does this even mean?  what genre ISNT filled mostly with throwaway acts?  steel strikes me as a very hip hop guy so maybe you just dont know steel!!!
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Beasley on November 06, 2008, 05:47:58 am
yeah maybe (not maybe) i don't! but still you can't say "what does this even mean" when i think you could make a pretty good case that hip hop/rap is one of the most exploited and shallow genres (followed or preceded by, what, alt rock probably?) so i don't think what i was saying was that much of a stretch

Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 06, 2008, 05:52:15 am
i think the large majority of mainstream music in general is exploited and shallow.  what's more, you have years of pretty awesome rap before it devolved into what it is now, and you still have multiple underground hip hop scenes right now, which the same thing can hardly be said of.  talking about mainstream rap is one thing, but extending that to all current hip hop is grossly inaccurate, especially when you have genres like pop-punk, which in addition to be exploited and shallow, are entirely commercial and do not even have an indie scene you can refer to for higher quality.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Beasley on November 06, 2008, 05:59:13 am
ok i agree i don't know why i posted that earlier i was sorta high so maybe that had osmething to do with it idk

i still maintain steel does not strike me as a fellow thats down with d-r-e even though that impression is obviously off
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: headphonics on November 06, 2008, 06:06:21 am
welp you gotta look at the fact that steel is a v socially conscious person and if there has been a type of music in the past two decades that has been really SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS, it is gangsta rap.  idk i don't see how the connection between him and acts like public enemy and tupac are so hard to understand when he walks around posting about racial oppression all the time.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 06, 2008, 03:42:25 pm
HI ITS STEEL.

hell i think like two years ago i was somewhat nonironically saying IF YOU HATE ALL HIPHOP YOU'RE A RACIST and in some cases I still think it's true but lets not get into it because I'll be the first to admit its not something I've thought all the way through yet.

but yeah hiphops only being more and more exploited in recent times, probably since...2002 or 3? by exploited I mean you started to hear more hiphop than other music and it would usually be bad. we go back really far to something like big band music which had so many throwaway acts and you realize that hiphop's commercialism is just a blip. one that if i remember is dying; hiphop is dead was based on rap sales dropping fast. I see the T-Paine robovoice R&B stuff being the next big thing. this is okay with me because I like future robo stuff.

Quote
i said use blogs!

its called pain killers.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Beasley on November 07, 2008, 12:32:32 am
Quote from: Pidgeotto221 on November 06, 2008, 03:42:25 pm
I see the T-Paine robovoice R&B stuff being the next big thing. this is okay with me because I like future robo stuff.

yeah i've been saying this for a while now, lots of auto tune floating around and i think that the genre is going to blend into a mix of rap and a lot of futuristic/techno sub genres. and i agree btw! hip hop has lots of good music, and i'm always finding more (that one link to that MEGAUPLOAD TOPIC or whatever it was introduced me to cold vein and blu & exile which are both p. good!!)

ugly ducklings or w/e that is still suck tho
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Allen Hunter on November 18, 2008, 10:00:17 pm
I fucking despise this emo scene bullshit that's been going around for quite some time. All of their bands are purely alternative-influenced and don't stand out from one another.

Any emo band that gets passed off as a "rock" band is commiting blasphemy. And not to mention their hairstyles are fucking stupid;they shave the back off completely but they leave the front parted into a devil lock, and if it couldn't get any gayer than that, I just never understood what was up with those extra *tight* jeans and cheap $15 Hot Topic shirts they wear. You can't even tell their sexual orientation/gender;they ALL look the same. :blarg:

If we can get rid of disco, then we should definitely be able to get rid of Emo.
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Parker on November 19, 2008, 01:01:54 am
Quote from: thehuntersmetal on November 18, 2008, 10:00:17 pm
I fucking despise this emo scene bullshit that's been going around for quite some time. All of their bands are purely alternative-influenced and don't stand out from one another.

Any emo band that gets passed off as a "rock" band is commiting blasphemy. And not to mention their hairstyles are fucking stupid;they shave the back off completely but they leave the front parted into a devil lock, and if it couldn't get any gayer than that, I just never understood what was up with those extra *tight* jeans and cheap $15 Hot Topic shirts they wear. You can't even tell their sexual orientation/gender;they ALL look the same. :blarg:

If we can get rid of disco, then we should definitely be able to get rid of Emo.
please read the topic
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: dom on November 19, 2008, 11:57:32 am
a few points:

Quote from: Tophue on November 02, 2008, 04:18:11 am
i dont get it is this saying other punk music is devoid of emotion??? its weird to me you would name a genre based on something most worthwhile music has
punk was basically political/social commentary, emo moved into more introspective subjects
Quote from: thehuntersmetal on November 18, 2008, 10:00:17 pm
I fucking despise this emo scene bullshit that's been going around for quite some time. All of their bands are purely alternative-influenced and don't stand out from one another.

Any emo band that gets passed off as a "rock" band is commiting blasphemy. And not to mention their hairstyles are fucking stupid;they shave the back off completely but they leave the front parted into a devil lock, and if it couldn't get any gayer than that, I just never understood what was up with those extra *tight* jeans and cheap $15 Hot Topic shirts they wear. You can't even tell their sexual orientation/gender;they ALL look the same. :blarg:

If we can get rid of disco, then we should definitely be able to get rid of Emo.
rap is crap AM. I. RIGHT!!!!

Quote from: DietCoke
Emo is basically a made-up genre. It was all just a bunch of bad garage bands playing indie rock and either they or their fans still wanted to be associated with the HARDCORE scene so EMO was born
you have no authority on this subject at all, please stop
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 19, 2008, 03:43:49 pm
emo hate is pretty 1999.

seriously though it's old hat to complain about KIDS THESE DAYS LOOKIN LIKE FAGGOTS. they do but they always do, emo is nothing new!
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Parker on November 23, 2008, 08:45:52 am
Quote from: Pidgeotto221 on November 19, 2008, 03:43:49 pm
seriously though it's old hat to complain about KIDS THESE DAYS LOOKIN LIKE FAGGOTS. they do but they always do, emo is nothing new!
That's actually a pretty good point.

+1
Title: [totw] Emo
Post by: Barack Obama on November 24, 2008, 05:52:37 am
Quote from: dom on November 19, 2008, 11:57:32 am
you have no authority on this subject at all, please stop
lol what the hell is this even supposed to mean? I'm just another asshole posting his opinion on the internet, just like every other idiot here. Fuck you.

I mean I can understand the whole original "first wave" EMO-scene(a 'scene' as opposed to a genre), but it seems like everything past that is completely fucking arbitrary because "emo" tells us nothing about the music and that the lyrics have to be emotional! Am I incorrect about this? If so can someone tell me what it is about Sunny Day Real Estate or Appleseed Cast's music that gives it the special EMO qualities that set them apart from the crowds of white guys with guitars singing about their feelings.