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General Category => Technology and Programming => Topic started by: Frisky SKeleton on November 03, 2008, 03:26:12 am
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ok so i used to have fairly slow computer so i put tinyxp rev05 on it, and it was excellent, so naturally when i built my new computer i wanted to put tinyxp on it as well, so i went and got rev09 because it had service pack 3 slipstreamed into it too.
rev05 used to use around 80 megs of ram idling, max, rev09 uses around 200 with the same stuff running off start up. furthermore it takes a really long time to boot and there's a bunch of little nacks, like networking quirks, that didn't seem to happen with rev05 (admittedly rev05 had some major annoying problems, but they fixed themselves through auto-updates). i've tried rev09 on my old computer too and it's much slower than rev05
does anyone have any experience with the different flavours of tinyxp? evidently you can make something similiar by yourself so i might actually give that a go unless it's too hard (likely).
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yeah it sucks because it seems like the eXperience is releasing the new revisions a lot worse than the old ones and the old ones are harder to find so my computer doesn't have that many benefits and the only reason i'm running it is because i accidentally deleted windows once.
EDIT: yeah making it yourself is pretty easy if you have a disk or iso of XP. you download a tool to rip out the unnecessary stuff and it does it pretty much for you. i can't remember what it's called...
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EDIT: yeah making it yourself is pretty easy if you have a disk or iso of XP. you download a tool to rip out the unnecessary stuff and it does it pretty much for you. i can't remember what it's called...
nlite
but really though if you have any decent computer you really don't need to use a stripped down version of xp at all.
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there's this thing called 'performance' i like.
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how much ram do you have? if you have 2gb or more you will not notice any performance increase on the os. Even if you have 1gb, the increase is probably negligible. are you doing hardcore programming or hardcore gaming? if not, then you should look at optimizing other areas before stripping down your os.
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when i had rev05 boot to operational was about a second. i've got 3 gigs of ram but shuffling stuff around and using the harddrive all leads to a less responsive environment!
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Try using winzip to "zip" your memory
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Forgive me for being an idiot, but whats tinyxp? sounds like a good thing.
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it's a stripped down version of windows xp designed to max performance on lower ranged systems
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wow! perfect! Where can I get it? Or is it summat you have to pay for :disdain:
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wow! perfect! Where can I get it? Or is it summat you have to pay for :disdain:
Obviously not.
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microxp
This just gets better and better.
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when i had rev05 boot to operational was about a second. i've got 3 gigs of ram but shuffling stuff around and using the harddrive all leads to a less responsive environment!
while youre at it why dont you disable your page file, "clean" your registry, defrag your hard drive every day, buy a killerNIC, liquid cool your southbridge
oh wait, because none of these things actually provide a performance increase
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you're right in fact i bet your computer is just as fast as when you first got it
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heh tinyxp is small yes.... but maybe you should try googling a little thing called Linux
be prepared to be blown the fuck away
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haha that was you, wasn't it? i completely forgot about that topic.
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heh tinyxp is small yes.... but maybe you should try googling a little thing called Linux
be prepared to be blown the fuck away
that's an idea actually, does linux run... windows executables or do you need linux programs?
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You can run windows exe's with WINE(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wine_(software)) but its not always perfect
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that's an idea actually, does linux run... windows executables or do you need linux programs?
not to any appreciable extent
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so windows it is.
i'm going to try rev09 again without the driverpacks, i think they may cause some of the issues
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i understand your concern climbtree but i used tinyxp and minixp for a while. at first it seems really cool and you are like WOW PERFORMANCE but it really really is negligible. you have THREE FUCKING GIGABYTES of ram and you are worried because your os uses 200 megs? stop fiddling with a crippled OS man and just get normal XP! you will NOT experience any slowdown, dude. i have 2 gigs at home and at work, and my OS NEVER EVER gets in my way.
It takes a little longer to boot up (this is 99% because of services too, btw. There are lots of guides on the internet about how to disable a lot of unnecessary services and this will have the MOST dramatic increase in system performance. Just a little hint, thats basically what tiny xp is: disabled/deleted services, and NOTHING MORE! Disabling DHCP can knock 15-30 seconds off your boot time instantly.) than tinyxp, but how often do you boot your computer? this one has been going for over a week now. There is no reason to reboot your computer more than once a week TOPS. In fact the only reason i ever reboot is if someting requires me to (installing a program/updating OS).
Basically dude this is futile and if you are interested this much in getting good performance, stop messing with a crippled OS and get some linux distro because you will have 10x more fun and learn 100x more than just getting a stripped version of a bloated os.
Btw look into services man i am dead serious that that is all tinyxp really is. There are lots of things deleted which save you disk space, but do not increase PERFORMANCE at all. Only the disabling/deleting of services increases performance.
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heh tinyxp is small yes.... but maybe you should try googling a little thing called Linux
be prepared to be blown the fuck away
Oh, don't worry. I use Linux alright :P
Ubuntu, in case you were wondering. Does EVERYTHING xp does, but better and quicker. Except I can't get Reason for it. D:< That really is the only reason i use windows.
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ubuntu is the worst linux distro fyi its basically windows for unix aka its for pussies. dont tell people you use linux if you use ubuntu.
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i understand your concern climbtree but i used tinyxp and minixp for a while. at first it seems really cool and you are like WOW PERFORMANCE but it really really is negligible. you have THREE FUCKING GIGABYTES of ram and you are worried because your os uses 200 megs? stop fiddling with a crippled OS man and just get normal XP! you will NOT experience any slowdown, dude. i have 2 gigs at home and at work, and my OS NEVER EVER gets in my way.
It takes a little longer to boot up (this is 99% because of services too, btw. There are lots of guides on the internet about how to disable a lot of unnecessary services and this will have the MOST dramatic increase in system performance. Just a little hint, thats basically what tiny xp is: disabled/deleted services, and NOTHING MORE! Disabling DHCP can knock 15-30 seconds off your boot time instantly.) than tinyxp, but how often do you boot your computer? this one has been going for over a week now. There is no reason to reboot your computer more than once a week TOPS. In fact the only reason i ever reboot is if someting requires me to (installing a program/updating OS).
Basically dude this is futile and if you are interested this much in getting good performance, stop messing with a crippled OS and get some linux distro because you will have 10x more fun and learn 100x more than just getting a stripped version of a bloated os.
Btw look into services man i am dead serious that that is all tinyxp really is. There are lots of things deleted which save you disk space, but do not increase PERFORMANCE at all. Only the disabling/deleting of services increases performance.
i turn off my computer whenever i'm away from it for more than an hour, or overnight. i also turn off lights overnight and when i leave the room.
i think ideally i'd strip it myself but since i don't know what i'm doing this might not be ideal. i also already have a tinyxp cd here with me so i don't have to wait to download a new version or whatever or go to my parents house and get my cds.
i don't know i don't support this ethic that people have that now that computers can handle being bloated you should bloat everything.
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ubuntu is the worst linux distro fyi its basically windows for unix aka its for pussies. dont tell people you use linux if you use ubuntu.
Uh, why? It seems to be the distro with the most support, and I've had a LOT more luck with this one than the one I was using before. (Suse 10.0)
Which would you suggest, and why?
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I like SuSE and believe it or not i actually like ubuntu. im not a HARDCORE LINUX GUY at all and have only really used a small handful of distros (the "most" hardcore i used was freebsd which made me feel very cool for a few days) (in fact i think linux fanboys are as bad as mac fanboys). my point was more that you shouldn't go around sayin g"heh.....i use linux. im a ubuntu guy."
but really i was being a dick so sorry jmickle just old dickhead gr over here! dont listen to me! the last ubuntu i used was 7 though.
i don't know i don't support this ethic that people have that now that computers can handle being bloated you should bloat everything.
i dont mean to be condescending at all and im not assuming you dont know anything about computers, but I think you are mixing up "bloat" with "diverse functionality". the reason OSes these days (yes even including xp) are "bloated" is not because they toss in random unnecessary shit (which they do) but because they do a LOT of stuff. they are constantly doing things in the background. i'm as much against unnecessary bloat as the next guy, fuck im a programmer!
but dude, i have a sql server running on my box, and always a visual studio open (right now i have 2 visual studios both running a project!!), outlook open, instant messenger open, i have an RDP session open, mirc, foobar, firefox with... 8 tabs open, a vpn client, SVN client, with a total 1400 megs used out of 2 gigs. 500 of that is firefox! another 450 of that is visual studio! tha tmeans EVERYTHING ELSE, INCLUDING THE OS, is using around 400 megabytes of ram. I wouldn't call that bloat, would you?
also, for the record, why have 3 gigs of ram if you never use more than 1/5 of it?
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http://wubi-installer.org/
My friend was using this to install windows stuff on linux, he's had some other problems but I am not sure if that was user error or what not.
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I also leave my system running constantly. It's actually more harmful to your system components to be turning them on and off, than leaving them on constantly.
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does anyone have any good links for power consumption when a system is in hibernate/sleep modes?
also climbtree to help save on power, you can have your hard drives turn off after X hours of inactivity (i set mine to 3 hours, i also have 5 hard drives so this helps with heat and power). Your monitors and hard drive will use more power than every other component in your computer combined. When you put your syste in standby, all components turn off and only enough power is used to keep the information in RAM alive. This is very little power btw. Turning on your computer causes wear on all components, most notably your hard drives!
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I like SuSE and believe it or not i actually like ubuntu. im not a HARDCORE LINUX GUY at all and have only really used a small handful of distros (the "most" hardcore i used was freebsd which made me feel very cool for a few days) (in fact i think linux fanboys are as bad as mac fanboys). my point was more that you shouldn't go around sayin g"heh.....i use linux. im a ubuntu guy."
but really i was being a dick so sorry jmickle just old dickhead gr over here! dont listen to me! the last ubuntu i used was 7 though.
i dont mean to be condescending at all and im not assuming you dont know anything about computers, but I think you are mixing up "bloat" with "diverse functionality". the reason OSes these days (yes even including xp) are "bloated" is not because they toss in random unnecessary shit (which they do) but because they do a LOT of stuff. they are constantly doing things in the background. i'm as much against unnecessary bloat as the next guy, fuck im a programmer!
but dude, i have a sql server running on my box, and always a visual studio open (right now i have 2 visual studios both running a project!!), outlook open, instant messenger open, i have an RDP session open, mirc, foobar, firefox with... 8 tabs open, a vpn client, SVN client, with a total 1400 megs used out of 2 gigs. 500 of that is firefox! another 450 of that is visual studio! tha tmeans EVERYTHING ELSE, INCLUDING THE OS, is using around 400 megabytes of ram. I wouldn't call that bloat, would you?
also, for the record, why have 3 gigs of ram if you never use more than 1/5 of it?
i've never had a problem with functionality in tinyxp, apart from in rev09 starting up a network is weird, so i guess it's bloated for me. i was talking generally though and i didn't want to say SLACK PROGRAMMING but having such a definite hardware limit back in the day made programs a lot more efficient. i guess nowadays they're more complext and stuff anyway.
also i was originally going to get 4 gigs of ram, 2 2 gig sticks because they were only slightly more expensive than 1 gig sticks and i wanted to use the dual channel whatever, but someone said "4 gigs is a huge waste" so i got three instead which was a pretty goofy oversight on my behalf (you need matching sticks for dual channel or w/e)
it's mostly the feel of the system though! it's probably me just being a dick but it feels more responsive using less ram, and i guess all those background services use cpu time too so that could be it.
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yes i know, especially since i've got a cheap powersupply, but aside from power usage and ram leaks i can't sleep with my computer going and it's right next to my bed
also wouldn't having your harddrives turn off be the same as turning your computer off in terms of HD wear?
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theoretically yes, however when you boot your computer all drives power up. if i dont access one of my drives for 3 days (which is basically what happens) then overall its still less strain than shutting down my entire computer. also im not sure if it actually turns them off or just "suspends" them.
also i find the computer white noise to be relaxing and i cant sleep WITHOUT my computer on.
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also i find the computer white noise to be relaxing and i cant sleep WITHOUT my computer on.
I can relate to this. When I try to sleep with my system off, I get a ringing in my ears from the defening silence.
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ahaha same here.
most of the time i actually put episodes of futurama/the office/south park/something else on low with the monitor off because it helps me go to sleep.
modern age, eh. gotta have noise to fall asleep.
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most of the time i actually put episodes of futurama/the office/south park/something else on low with the monitor off because it helps me go to sleep.
when I want to sleep I read your posts
lol iceburn but I used to do that too. I stopped when i got out of the habit of leaving my computer on
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your ears are meant to rest!!!!
anyway, reloaded the fullest install without the driver packs and it's quick again. not as quick as rev05 but that was a bare install and this has pretty much all the services save a few :rite: :fingerwag: (i'm going to go about crippling them now)
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GR are you kidding? Ubuntu is terrible but SuSE? SuSE is more bloated than XP it won't even fucking run on my system. SuSE is slow as hell.
EDIT: Oh and freebsd isn't linux.
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your ears are meant to rest!!!!
With the A/C, Room Fan, Traffic, and trains going by, there's really rarely a quiet moment around here :\
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yeah freebsd is just unix but like i said, i felt pretty cool using it for a couple days.
and i dont know what version of suse i had but it never seemed too bloated?? i hate kde so i dont like suse much NOW, but again im not really much of a linux guy anyway so i havent really invested a lot of time playing with different distros. the most ive ever used a linux distro was ubuntu 7, for like a month as my main OS at home.
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i hate kde so i dont like suse much NOW,
I was using gnome suse. Couldn't you get that?
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i dont remember. im sure you can, you can use gnome/kde on any distro (any window manager really). but some distros just seem "built" for kde/gnome. i dunno maybe im wrong but suse felt like a "KDE" distro to me.
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if yall are hooked on ubuntu but want to use a real linux (not a linux for pussies) just run debian
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True that i used debian for 2 years, it was the best.
A rip-roaring tour de force of a distro, couldn't put it down ~mark
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FreeBSD ... simply swashbuckling. ~Joe
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when my pc crashed the first os i got borrowed was ubuntu and its pretty cool. i mean its a little too hardcore for me because every time i want to tweak something that doesnt works i have to go to the freakin terminal. other than that it runs smoother than vista used to so i recomend it A++
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I CANT GET DOS TO RUN QUICKER. WHY IS DOS RUNNING SO SLOW ON MY TRI-CORE? THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE.
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you running dos emulation? sure it's not set to only run at a certain speed so it doesn't go TOO fast?
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I HAVE FORMATTED MY SYSTEM AND REPLACED IT WITH DOS. I THOUGHT IT WOULD BE VERY QUICK. IT IS NOT. IT IS JUST BLACK AND WHITE.
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You need to format it with Fat-8. You can change colors with "COLOR X" where X is any hex number from 0 to F.
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I love/hate dos so much coz i do/don't know how to use it perfectly. It's like, windows with everything added/taken away. How cool/shit is that! I mean, if I was given a choice between windows/nocomputer and DOS, I would definately/not take DOS. Man, I love/hate DOS sooo much.