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Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: VinceP on November 16, 2008, 05:27:15 am
The classic NES games, I mean.

I hate them. I don't understand what's so great about them! I think they're just too hard. Even for their time, I think the MegaMan games were incredibly simple. Don't get me wrong, the level design is pretty interesting and the graphics have a certain appealing style, but I have my complaints.

The physics of MegaMan just make me wanna vomit. Mind you I've only been able to play MegaMan emulated on my Xbox and on my PC, but still. Jumping feels so unnatural and uncontrolable. MegaMan jumps like a wimp. He can jump pretty high, but not nearly enough in front of him! I don't like his weapon, either. Going around shooting balls out of my arm isn't cool! I want assault rifles and machine guns. A choice of different primary weapons would be kind of nice, like Contra style weapon pickups for instance. Okay, maybe MegaMan DOES have these, but I just haven't gotten that far. I don't know.

And why the hell can't I duck?! The lack of a simple feature such as ducking makes me hate this game a whole lot. With all these enemies shooting shit right at my face, I'd like to be able to duck under projectiles instead of having to jump 10 feel over them, and usually right into spikes or some flying bastard above me! I do like the fact that I at least get a pretty good sized health bar, but most of the time I'm panicing and praying that bad guys will shit out more health for me when I kill them since I suck at MegaMan so much. The music. I also like the music.

That being said... why should I like MegaMan? What's the big deal?
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Boulvae on November 16, 2008, 05:36:35 am
You don't have to like Megaman, you just have to know about it.

Anyways sounds to me you don't like the style of older Megaman games and likewise platformers without big guns. (By the way those balls are supposed to be laser blasts.)
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: AdderallApocalypse on November 16, 2008, 05:39:32 am
I only beat the very first Megaman, as far as the NES games go, anyhow. I thought it was a pretty cool game, but I prefer the ones on the SNES more.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: The Dude on November 16, 2008, 06:33:37 am
I'm not a fan, really. I like the character and the world and the stupid way all the robots have Man at the end except in MM9. However, I'm terrible at them, and in every Megaman and Megaman X game I've played, there is usually only one level I can beat.
I am a fan of the MM Battle Network series though. That's some fun times.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Bobberticus on November 16, 2008, 06:51:46 am
Mega man 2 was the only one I really beat, though I also got pretty far in 3.
In general most of them aren't good enough for me to sit down and play through them, but tbh I can't do that with very many games anymore. Sometimes I invite a friend or 2 over to go through mega man and other tricky games. It is fun to struggle together through challenging games :]
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: The Magi on November 16, 2008, 06:52:33 am
The classic NES games, I mean.

I hate them. I don't understand what's so great about them! I think they're just too hard. Even for their time, I think the MegaMan games were incredibly simple. Don't get me wrong, the level design is pretty interesting and the graphics have a certain appealing style, but I have my complaints.

The physics of MegaMan just make me wanna vomit. Mind you I've only been able to play MegaMan emulated on my Xbox and on my PC, but still. Jumping feels so unnatural and uncontrolable. MegaMan jumps like a wimp. He can jump pretty high, but not nearly enough in front of him! I don't like his weapon, either. Going around shooting balls out of my arm isn't cool! I want assault rifles and machine guns. A choice of different primary weapons would be kind of nice, like Contra style weapon pickups for instance. Okay, maybe MegaMan DOES have these, but I just haven't gotten that far. I don't know.

And why the hell can't I duck?! The lack of a simple feature such as ducking makes me hate this game a whole lot. With all these enemies shooting shit right at my face, I'd like to be able to duck under projectiles instead of having to jump 10 feel over them, and usually right into spikes or some flying bastard above me! I do like the fact that I at least get a pretty good sized health bar, but most of the time I'm panicing and praying that bad guys will shit out more health for me when I kill them since I suck at MegaMan so much. The music. I also like the music.

That being said... why should I like MegaMan? What's the big deal?
mods can we get a ban on this troll? tia
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Barack Obama on November 16, 2008, 07:09:00 am
You sound like a little bitch imo, most of the NES megaman games are hardcore.

Megaman is a robot made out of v. strong metal! It's hard for him to jump like mario does fyi
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: The Dude on November 16, 2008, 07:12:49 am
You sound like a little bitch imo, most of the NES megaman games are hardcore.

Megaman is a robot made out of v. strong metal! It's hard for him to jump like mario does fyi

This is a valid point! Also, you need Rush to get to high places. Megaman isn't Astro, sheesh!

I think they're just too hard. Even for their time,
Clearly you haven't played games for their time at their time. Ever play Burger Time? Silver Surfer? Karate Kid? Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles? Battletoads? I could go on. There are crazy freaking games from back then. Megaman is barely one of them. If I had the patience I could learn the spawn points of each enemy in the level, because once I know this the game is pretty easy imo.

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The physics of MegaMan just make me wanna vomit. Mind you I've only been able to play MegaMan emulated on my Xbox and on my PC, but still. Jumping feels so unnatural and uncontrolable. MegaMan jumps like a wimp. He can jump pretty high, but not nearly enough in front of him! I don't like his weapon, either. Going around shooting balls out of my arm isn't cool! I want assault rifles and machine guns. A choice of different primary weapons would be kind of nice, like Contra style weapon pickups for instance. Okay, maybe MegaMan DOES have these, but I just haven't gotten that far. I don't know.
Why don't you play Halo then? Assault rifles? Are you kidding me?

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And why the hell can't I duck?! The lack of a simple feature such as ducking makes me hate this game a whole lot. With all these enemies shooting shit right at my face, I'd like to be able to duck under projectiles instead of having to jump 10 feel over them, and usually right into spikes or some flying bastard above me!
Most every NES game is like this. Where were you?
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Mongoloid on November 16, 2008, 09:26:12 am
I don't like Megaman at all either. Like dude said, I like the ideas and universe and plot bla bla bla, but the game itself is very boring.

I did like that one where it was 2 players and you could be any combination of MM protoman or bass! Not really a great game, but the 2 player aspect made it fun!

Also the games that are pseudo-online are cool. But then again that's not even legitimate megaman, other than by name and color.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: dada on November 16, 2008, 11:29:13 am

I think the Mega Man games rock, especially those on NES.  Like all NES games, they were very difficult and unforgiving.  The series stayed difficult on later consoles, too, even as (arguably) the average difficulty level went down.  I didn't think the SNES games were very compelling (X-2 is my favorite here) but the GBA ones made things interesting again, even though they also made it clear that the type of gameplay of the NES era was dead and wouldn't come back.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: The Magi on November 16, 2008, 11:51:11 am
I found air man's stage to be really easy. Dust Man's stage on Rockman World 3 for Game Boy however takes the cake for the hardest, most rage inducing Mega Man stage ever made... And despite its diabolical design, it's totally awesome


And here's some superpro owning the fuck outta the stage in a speed run


Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Marcus on November 16, 2008, 01:19:01 pm
I used to be a mega fan (pun intended) on the NES then fell out once the series hit the SNES because Capcom decided to keep the screen size the same but triple the size of Mega Man (I think Steel called him a PARADE BALLOON in one topic which is a 100% accurate statement). 

Then MM9 came out which rekindled my love of the series.  Mega Man 1 does have wonky physics because MM SLIDES 1 pixel when you land from a jump and a lot of platforms (especially the moving ones in Iceman's stage) require pixel perfect jumping.  I don't mind the lack of ducking but I hate hate hate the INSTA-REGEN where if you move the screen by a single pixel all enemies on the other side instantly regenerate.  It made a lot of areas, especially Sigma's stage in MMX1 where you had to wall jump past all of these bots, ridiculously difficult.

But yeah your balls just aren't tough enough to handle MM.  Try playing easy mode games like Mario or something, wimp.  I beat Ghosts n Goblins both ways on one quarter so don't talk to me about hard!
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Barack Obama on November 16, 2008, 01:20:42 pm
I don't like Megaman at all either. Like dude said, I like the ideas and universe and plot bla bla bla, but the game itself is very boring.

There's basically no plot to megaman... Choose a boss you want to kill, kill him and get his powers, repeat a few times, then defeat the evil mad scientist who lives in a skull-shaped factory and makes the bad robots.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: jman00 on November 16, 2008, 01:25:23 pm
Yeah compaired to harder games like Ghost and Goblins (orignal) the Megaman games were cake walk, the only difficult MM games I can see some people bitch about is mostly 1 and 2. 1 for two reasons, the instant kill spikes even if you're flickering BS, but adds to the challenge, and Ice Man's level.

Megaman 2, that 4th boss in Dr. Wily's castle, always pissed me off! That's pretty much it. :S The rest were pretty easy, (with some exception to MM4, but no where as difficult as 1 or 2.)
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: dada on November 16, 2008, 01:35:27 pm
Mega Man 1 does have wonky physics because MM SLIDES 1 pixel when you land from a jump and a lot of platforms (especially the moving ones in Iceman's stage) require pixel perfect jumping.
A lot of people think this is a bug for some reason.  He slides a little bit when you stop running (or when you land, continue running for as much as one frame, and then stop).  It doesn't happen when you land from a jump without holding down left or right because there's no reason for him to slide if he only has vertical momentum.  In fact, I can show you the assembly code that does it if you're interested.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Barack Obama on November 16, 2008, 01:40:38 pm
A lot of people think this is a bug for some reason.  He slides a little bit when you're on a platform and you stop holding down left or right, which forces you to jump platforms while running.  It doesn't happen when you land from a jump because there's no reason for him to slide if he only has vertical momentum.  If you're a fan of 6502 assembly I can link you to an in-depth explanation.

fuck all that computer shit let me break it down dogg: megaman is v. heavy and it's unreasonable to expect him to be able to come to a complete stop-landing like some kind of Chinese gymnast after launching himself over a cliff.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: dada on November 16, 2008, 01:46:05 pm
fuck all that computer shit
http://bisqwit.iki.fi/jutut/megamansource/maincode.txt

Decompile your ROM, open it in an editor and find the following lines in bank 5 (they won't be commented like in the text file):
$95E8: A9 0C:   LDA #$0C
$95EA: 8D 0004: STA $400+0
$95ED: A9 01:   LDA #$01
$95EF: 8D 4004: STA $440+0
Change $95ED into
$95ED: A9 01:   LDA #$00
and recompile it to remove the slide entirely.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: SupremeWarrior on November 16, 2008, 02:24:38 pm
Dada you are one fucking badass!

EDIT: On topic I wouldn't say it's a bad game but I don't like the game much either...
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Marcus on November 16, 2008, 02:40:18 pm
A lot of people think this is a bug for some reason.  He slides a little bit when you stop running (or when you land, continue running for as much as one frame, and then stop).  It doesn't happen when you land from a jump without holding down left or right because there's no reason for him to slide if he only has vertical momentum.  In fact, I can show you the assembly code that does it if you're interested.

The thing is, MM has precise control over movement in air while jumping so in order to reach a far away platform you have to hold down left or right and then INSTANTLY let go the very second he touches the ground or else he'll slide.  This killed me on so many levels especially Wily's stage where you have those laser shooting moving platforms and there are spikes all over the place.

Also, Yellow Devil FUCK U (this was before i learned about the select/elecman trick).

Also also also Gutsman's stage with the dropping platforms.  You have to jump perfectly here because MM falls the instant the platform touches the gap and the platforms move so slow that if you jump even a second too early you'll fall.

It's strange, I beat these games so easily as a wide eyed boy of 8 years but now as a grown ass man I can barely stand them.  I should do a study in how vidya skill degrades with time.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Vellfire on November 16, 2008, 02:43:25 pm
I was going to say I didn't like Mega Man and then I realized I really like Mega Man II for the gameboy (I think the NES version is exactly the same but in color, is this right?).  I never got far in it at all though, but I still liked it.  I don't like any of the other Mega Man games though, but I'm not anti-Mega Man either.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Marcus on November 16, 2008, 02:48:35 pm
I think the MM for the gameboy is Mega Man IV. 

I have the ULTRA SUPER RARE MM for the gamegear (cost me 200$ and an arm) which is a combination of MMIV and V or something. 

I also have three copies of the MM9 promo pack, all sealed.  I'm going to wait a year or until the next MM game comes out and sell them for a fucking mint.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 16, 2008, 03:05:59 pm
assault rifles? what's this stupid shit? MY DICKS SO SMALL I NEED MY GUNS TO BE BIG EVEN IN VIDEOGAMES.

pistol users gimme a w00t.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: kentona on November 16, 2008, 03:28:06 pm
Some people derive satisfaction from overcomng a difficult challenge.  That's the "big deal" with MegaMan games.  Plus, he can slide in Megaman 3 (which I thought was a kickass gameplay element and was disappointed to find that it wasn't in MM9).   Energy Blaster > Assault Rifle.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: NES Player on November 16, 2008, 04:04:54 pm
i am better at the super nintendo ones. the ones for nes is awesome but sometimes i really suck at them... :(
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 16, 2008, 04:10:07 pm
*controls a robot that can jump several times its own height and has an energy cannon affixed to both arms so powerful that it can shred most metals with a few shots*

*complains about not jumping high enough and not using a shitty assault rifle*
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Grin Tree on November 16, 2008, 05:03:48 pm
I don't hate the Mega Man series, but I never got into the NES titles because of their brutal difficulty. I still like the X series and Rockman & Forte for the SNES, I just don't have the patience to play through the older titles because I have shit for patience these days... though as a kid, I probably would have GLEEFULLY played through them and mastered each one.

But Rockman & Forte has some of the best music I've heard in a MM game, that's one of the main reasons I liked it so much besides the new graphical style and the option to play as Forte. The stages were also really good looking compared to the X series and it really pushed the SNES as one of the last titles to come out for the console.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 16, 2008, 05:06:35 pm
just fyi all of you saying megaman was too hard outta replay them now. they aren't too bad, they were just tougher than most NES shit and were tough for kids.

I beat a few of them and I suck at videogames so.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Dale Gobbler on November 16, 2008, 05:12:36 pm
My first real Megaman game was Megaman Xtreme 2 for the GBC. And I played the crap out of it. Then I picked up the Megaman Collection for gamecube and played the crap out of Megaman X4-X6 (I already beat X-X3 a lot on emu).

Also I you can duck in X5.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Grin Tree on November 16, 2008, 05:22:55 pm
just fyi all of you saying megaman was too hard outta replay them now. they aren't too bad, they were just tougher than most NES shit and were tough for kids.

I beat a few of them and I suck at videogames so.

That's saying something since most NES games are pretty hard. I don't think you're giving yourself enough credit?



Some of the hardest games I played through as a very young lad took me forever to beat (like Zen, fuuuuck that game it's hard), but I still had a better chance then because I was able to devote a ridiculous amount of time to any game and never really got mad over BS like I would now. I tried playing Zen recently and it kicked my ass, so I doubt I'd do any better with Mega Man.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwPoOqYLYxc&feature=related

Skip to 3:30 to see how nasty this game is, I don't know how I ever beat it (considering I was about 6 at the time).
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Boulvae on November 16, 2008, 05:32:24 pm
Then some arn't just hard but extremely annoying (Duck Hunt anyone...).

If it wasn't for the music I may never have gotten through even half the game, it served as somewhat as a motivator for me.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Ragnar on November 16, 2008, 08:34:01 pm
I seem to remember the games themselves were fun but really the SNES ones had a lot missing gameplay-wise when it could've been epic on SNES, and I didn't like those as much even though I wanted to

but yeah like someone said the series in general had no plot and it was classic back when I was a little kid and it kind of felt like a game plot that was about as sophisticated as something I could write but the fact that they're still doing them the same exact way kind of depresses me, like the developers are making an 80's kids show except the 80's never ended for them

I also significantly liked the character designs better on the NES when they were cute and had little dots for eyes the SNES ones felt too EXTREEME like at least it had an ironic effect that the robots were all called MAN but ones like ice man looked like little baby eskimos and stuff
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: headphonics on November 16, 2008, 11:33:00 pm
mega man games are excellent but if you did not grow up playing the classic games as a kid and instead you grew up with SOCOM and Halo and stupid shit then yeah it's probably kinda hard to see why they're so good. it's a lot like people who complain about classic films. CASABLANCA SUCKS WHAT IS THIS BLACK AND WHITE SHIT I WANT MY COLORS AND CGI AND MICHAEL BAY!!
well no not entirely because the problem i and a lot of other people have with classic nes games like that isn't the lack of eye candy; i couldn't give a shit about that.  it is how insanely hard and frustrating and cheap and repetitive they are.  you could shine it up and put it in a new box and i'd still hate it and not really understand the appeal of KJKJK FUCK I DIED TIME TO START OVER KJFDLKJFK THIS IS SO HARD (see: modern Ninja Gaiden games).
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 16, 2008, 11:37:00 pm
except he's also complaining about physics engines and assault rifles, not difficulty so much.

that and I still think the megaman series is on the lower end of difficulty. I'm a dude who hates playing games over and over until you've memorized the map and you convince yourself THATS WHAT FUN IS and I enjoyed megaman a lot.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on November 16, 2008, 11:37:32 pm
also ninja gaiden's a little tough, so's DMC, but fuck SHINOBI forever. jesus christ.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: headphonics on November 16, 2008, 11:58:57 pm
dawg i could play shinobi with relative ease.  i always thought ninja gaiden was way way harder!!


also OH sorry all i read was konix's post
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Supra Mairo on November 17, 2008, 12:14:11 am
Everyone is bringing up how hard Megaman games are but really, on the NES standards they are a joke on difficulty when you compare them to series like Ghost n Goblins or Ninja Gaiden or Castlevania.

You had checkpoints, energy tanks, an arsenal of weapons and gadgets to get you through the day and you could choose what stages you wanted to complete first. It's pretty player friendly.

I'm kinda surprised so many people are had a hard time with Megaman because I just kinda breezed through all of em with just the buster because it was too tedious to swap weapons all the time without instant-swap via shoulder buttons.

EDIT:
Also Battletoads for NES, if you want a hard game throw Megaman out the window because it doesn't qualify and try beat Battletoads,  or if you are the average gamer you won't get past the 3rd stage and there's like 20 stages in the game.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: UPRC on November 17, 2008, 12:48:56 am
also ninja gaiden's a little tough, so's DMC, but fuck SHINOBI forever. jesus christ.
Shinobi 2 on the Game Gear. Most frustrating game I've probably ever played.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: AdderallApocalypse on November 17, 2008, 12:54:01 am
Halo and stupid shit
Oh no you didn't. The Halo series is pretty good, although the campaign modes are fairly boring. The multiplayer is what's good, unless you meant campaign mode exclusively.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: headphonics on November 17, 2008, 01:07:58 am
Megaman games really aren't that difficult though! I mean they can be kinda hard especially in the Wily castle stages but I would hardly consider them INSANELY DIFFICULT. Shit like Contra or whatever where there are literally five million bullets on screen at any given time and getting hit just once will instantly kill you is insanely difficult. In Megaman you actually have a life bar and recharge pickups and energy tanks and infinite continues and passwords acting as pseudo saves so you don't have to constantly start the game over.

Also while you argue that old NES games are too hard I would say that the problem is actually that new games are just too easy and maybe you're just too accustomed to them. I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say that I seriously cannot remember ever seeing a gameover screen since I was like idk 12. Do modern games even have gameovers or do you just infinitely respawn and continue along with your autorecharging health bar?
yeah youre probably right.  i mean i don't think i'm too accustomed to easy games because we are the exact same age and i grew up on nes/snes just like you did, but i think it is more that i just suck at videogames and find newer easier games JUUUUUST RIIIIIIGHT.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Shepperd on November 17, 2008, 02:42:49 am
I dunno, I dont like the NES Megaman, and I LOOOVEEED the SNES Megaman.

But to put it into perspective, I didn't like any NES game. They all felt like I was playing PONG rather than anything other
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: VinceP on November 17, 2008, 04:07:05 am
Okay, guys. I thought it was obvious that the assault rifle thing was a joke. Of course I don't give a shit if MegaMan is equipped with MILITARY GRADE WEAPONS AND FLEXIBLE ANTIDEATH ARMOR. The gun is okay. I do wish you could control the direction of your shot instead of having to jump and mash the B button. I wanna shoot enemies above me!

And no kidding about all NES games being hard as shit. Ever play Dragon's Lair? That shit doesn't mess around. I think a lot of games were just ridiculously hard simply because they were shitty games. As in, the designers were fucking stupid and didn't pay attention to what they were doing. Games like Back to the Future and Karate Kid for instance. Most of the time game physics just don't make fucking sense. There's a difference between a GOOD hard game like Contra or Battletoads and a SHITTY hard game like Dragon's Lair and Ghosts 'N' Goblins.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Rajew on November 17, 2008, 05:09:40 am
Ghosts 'N' Goblins is not a shitty game... it's an awesome game...

I can no longer trust your opinion on ANYTHING sorry bro.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: The Magi on November 17, 2008, 05:29:07 am
Dragon's Lair NES isn't even a real game. It's a digital BDSM ball twisting simulator.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Hundley on November 17, 2008, 05:52:32 am
But to put it into perspective, I didn't like any NES game. They all felt like I was playing PONG rather than anything other
man i feel so old

i was alive and conscious for the days when atari was the most incredible technology. a friend of mine had an atari 5200 system and i thought he was from the future
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Grin Tree on November 17, 2008, 05:53:39 am
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As in, the designers were fucking stupid and didn't pay attention to what they were doing.

Yeah, artificial difficulty that stems from bad controls and just shitty design elements is common in most NES games, but Mega Man doesn't fall into that category - you just need to memorize the patterns of bosses and get down those pixel-perfect jumps. The prior is something that always screwed me up in those games.

Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Barack Obama on November 17, 2008, 06:23:19 am
man i feel so old

i was alive and conscious for the days when atari was the most incredible technology. a friend of mine had an atari 5200 system and i thought he was from the future
hahahaha
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: The Dude on November 17, 2008, 07:56:19 am
man i feel so old

i was alive and conscious for the days when atari was the most incredible technology. a friend of mine had an atari 5200 system and i thought he was from the future

I remember when my friend showed me his atari and I thought it was so lame. I had dinky cars.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Grunthor on November 17, 2008, 02:18:28 pm
man i feel so old

i was alive and conscious for the days when atari was the most incredible technology. a friend of mine had an atari 5200 system and i thought he was from the future

I remember those days.  I started out on a Magnavox Odyssey, but quickly moved to the Atari for Combat (Greatest Atari game ever), Pac Man, and a few other games I can't remember now.  The system just blew my mind back then.


Anyways, I love the Mega Man games for the NES.  I've beaten 1-3 &6 for the system.  I don't remember playing 4 and 5 though.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Dale Gobbler on November 17, 2008, 03:04:56 pm
I started on the Atari 2600, then moved on to one of the newest Odyssey consoles. Of course I was like 6-7 at the time.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: kentona on November 17, 2008, 03:15:22 pm
I wanna shoot enemies above me!
Play Kid Icarus!

(Atari 2600 was a good system!  I liked a lot of games on it. (Even Pac-Man))
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: SpiralViper on November 17, 2008, 04:01:19 pm
I usually enjoy Megaman games even though the NES-era ones were a bit of a trial in patience. I got frustrated more than a few times in 'em, especially before the slide was introduced. Really helps evade the more mobile bosses.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on November 17, 2008, 05:36:14 pm
The only thing I didn't like about megaman games was the whole "height" aspect of taking out enemies.

Like, every time there was an enemy hovering about, putting all of that energy into figuring out how to get to a point where you COULD shoot an enemy took out the whole immersion aspect causing me to realise I'm only playing a game where your sprite can only shoot in two directions. It just doesn't seem like a guy with a blaster for an arm would waste 1 1/2 minutes hopping around just so he can shoot the octopus guy at the one spot where he's not armored (as opposed to just aiming at the spot without having to jump each time you shoot).

From a gameplay standpoint, it introduces a whole new pattern of thought to the gameplay, and the increased emphasis on timing enhances the experience overall, but it just doesn't fit with the idea of playing as a guy in a blue suit who blasts enemies using an energy cannon grafted onto his fist. If I had an energy cannon grafted onto MY fist, the first thing I would do is to learn how to actually point it at the things I want to blow up.

I'm not saying Megaman would be a better game series if he could point in more than two directions, I'm just saying the design of Megaman (from a pure gameplay standpoint) would fit alot better in a setting where you play as something that isn't Megaman himself.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Yeaster on November 26, 2008, 05:28:52 pm
I was never a fan of the main MM games, but I loved Mega Man X. MMX4 is my favorite one, horrid voice acting n' all.


Generally though, I have always found the MM games easy up until the last level or so, and in the rare occassion I actually get to the main boss, he kicks my ass.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Bobberticus on November 26, 2008, 06:12:05 pm
Play Kid Icarus!

(Atari 2600 was a good system!  I liked a lot of games on it. (Even Pac-Man))
man, my friend bought kid icarus at the flea market a while ago and every now and then we try to play through it but just don't have those kinds of skills anymore :(
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Chaos Emerl on November 27, 2008, 03:16:22 am
Adding features like ducking and being able to shoot upwards and stuff like that would ruin the game.

It's like complaining about how your pawns can't move backwards in Chess.  It's part of the game.  It adds an element of strategy.  Whether or not you find that kind of thing fun is up to you.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: FQGamer on November 28, 2008, 02:58:38 pm
This is a valid point! Also, you need Rush to get to high places. Megaman isn't Astro, sheesh!
Clearly you haven't played games for their time at their time. Ever play Burger Time? Silver Surfer? Karate Kid? Teenaged Mutant Ninja Turtles? Battletoads? I could go on. There are crazy freaking games from back then. Megaman is barely one of them. If I had the patience I could learn the spawn points of each enemy in the level, because once I know this the game is pretty easy imo.
Why don't you play Halo then? Assault rifles? Are you kidding me?
Most every NES game is like this. Where were you?

Battletoads, by far one of the hardest games to beat. I mean really, you die so easily in some levels bc it's too easy to fall, especially where they try to emulate 3d on a jump, where the bottom of the screen has a huge gap, and at the top its short and easy to land. The snake level is based on memory pretty much, and the uniracers esq level owns you. And the speedcarts in level 3? even with a game genie you are only going to beat that if you hit the warp that takes you to level five.

the megaman games are a bitch, and i think a big way to go is really finding the right order to play the levels in so you get helpful weapon upgrades, but its frustrating as hell when all you find in special ammo replenishers instead of health when you first start the game. Also when you clim a ladder up a long verticle map and in inevitable enemy attack knocks you down 2 or 3 screens, only to try again and with even less health.

Yeah, I try and try to like these classics, and my hardcore side compells me to keep trying, but it just goes in vain.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: Iaman on December 09, 2008, 07:41:58 am
Man, I freaking played through Mega Man 1-8 a month or so ago, on the GCN Anniversary collection.  I gotta say: 1, 2, and 3 are easily the hardest of the series, though 5 has the worst Wily attack pattern for me (the 2nd part of the battle, where he appears in random places and shoots the four different balls out), which was even more aggravating in 7, when I had to deal with it AGAIN (it took so long for me to get used to it I was seriously stuck there for like two days).

But, yeah, I love Mega Man.  Maybe I just hate myself, but I honestly think that the overall style and feel of the game, especially the difficulty, make it and its other incarnations (especially including the Mega Man Zero series) some of the most fun games for me.  It all just breaks down to getting used to the game mechanics and attack patterns and then just adapting to whatever the game throws at you, until you get to a point where you just have to start memorizing things because those patterns you learn break down.  For some reason, the design of them just absolutely fascinates me, and I think they actually have a really nice, albeit frustratingly hard and soul-crushing, balance to them.
Title: Am I the only one who hates MegaMan?
Post by: JustRob on December 09, 2008, 07:51:24 am
Meh it's not my favorite game but back when I had a NES I loved MegaMan 1. I never finished it because I could never beat the Gutsman level, but it was still pretty cool. And yeah the games back then were pretty hard. I don't know if you played Back To The Future 1? Jesus christ, that got me a trauma.

PS: I think the new MegaMan Battle Network series where he's the pokemon of Lan is retarded and I have no idea how they came up with such a crappy idea