How many PC games get released on Mac?
and I'm not being sarcastic either, I have no idea how many do. I know of some that do, but there is more of a market for Windows due to PC Gamers. That's what I think at the moment anyway. Also Vista isn't a complete failure, I'm using it at the moment and it's perfectly fine for me.
They've been doing better than ever the past couple years. I think they've got around a 20% market share now which is pretty remarkable.Yes, I know. But nackster was talking about the stock market and how Apple is unaffected by it, which is false.
all personal computers are for decadent first world parasites who enjoy an unprecedented level of consumption of luxury goods afforded to them by the super-exploitation of the third world proletariat
using Windows doesn't mean HEH YOU'RE SUCH A SQUARE, WHAT A DUMMY
well, according to the I'M A MAC/I'M A PC commercials it does.... :shh:
Edit: Oh shit Mac guy is one cool dude he reminds me of that guy from The Office and PC guy reminds me of... that other guy from The Office
...especially with the next Windows OS being built from scratch.
Man McJickle I'll be the first to say OSX and Linux are better than Windows but using Windows doesn't mean HEH YOU'RE SUCH A SQUARE, WHAT A DUMMYNah I wasnt saying that. I use my windows machine more than my mac or using linux. I've got NO programs for my linux machine. I only used it before because it was muuuuch better for surfing the net but now machine isnt hooked up to the internet its windows for me.
i dunno, their iLife programs and professional stuff like Logic or Final Cut Pro are pretty awesome
Windows 7 according to MS is pretty much what vista was supposed to be.
linux pride worldwride brah. fuck micr$$$oft and asspple
I don't think they're out to take over the OS market like Microsoft did because they're first and foremost a hardware company with an entirely different business model.It's actually 4-8% (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_desktop_operating_systems), which, while showing a gradual increased adoption over years, is still not a threat to the 90-95% dominance of Windows PCs. Most people who didn't like Vista kept or downgraded to Windows XP, and I'm sure Microsoft will try to make Windows 7 a better experience than Vista. They don't have to worry yet.
They've been doing better than ever the past couple years. I think they've got around a 20% market share now which is pretty remarkable.
I said market share, as in the percentage of new computers being sold.Interesting. Do you have a reference for that?
those mac commercials are so good from a marketing standpoint but so bad for mac users, now you're lumped in with idiot consumer college kids
anyway I've had this inexpensive HP notebook with vista for a while and it still works great *SMIRKS* ITS JUST ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE --Dada (j/k bro)
I've heard Macs are good for music and graphics and whatnot... but my pc does what I need. Also why pay a grand for a macbook that's as powerful as a £300 windows Laptop?really though macs have better "out of the box" tools for that shit, but on windows and linux you just download audacity and gimp and you're set from a free standpoint, and anyone who's REALLY SERIOUS about it are using commercial software anyway, and it's roughly the same price to get any equivalent software for either OS, and mixed with being able to buy a more powerful PC for the price, it sounds like a PC is the way to go for music and graphics if you want the biggest bang for your buck and don't want to be stuck with garage band.
i dont really know whether or not vista is a good os compared to mac os but i will use windows as long as it is around simply because i have used it all of my life. vista may not be THE BEST OS OF ALL CONSCIOUSNESS but it isnt bad enough to make me want to learn how to use a mac
also i will never ever ever switch to mac until their mice have two buttons. also also i will never use a mac until you can left click on their notebooks using the touchpad
also i will never ever ever switch to mac until their mice have two buttons. also also i will never use a mac until you can left click on their notebooks using the touchpad
Apple will never surpass Microsoft unless they start seriously attracting businesses that require enterprise solutions. Just saying, "Hey, we can run Microsoft Office too!" is not enough.That's a whole other market that apple aint interested in. Their business model is not "let's get mac os on every computer", its more about targeting specific sections of the consumer and professional markets and turning a larger profit by selling the whole hardware/software package.
That's a whole other market that apple aint interested in. Their business model is not "let's get mac os on every computer", its more about targeting specific sections of the consumer and professional markets and turning a larger profit by selling the whole hardware/software package.
btw ubuntu is p. good i recommend it 2000000x. it is a pain in the ass to set up but once it is running it runs like a mac in terms of not crashing.Yeah they did a really good job with that. If I didn't specifically need ms excel for work I'd probably use ubuntu.
the point isnt that though. the point is that mac targets faggot hipsters and people who like shiny things and their buisness model is basically that.
You can't pick and choose markets when you are refering to Apple surpassing Microsoft. That wikipedia article keeping track of market shares isn't picking and choosing what sectors of the market it is polling. They just report on what OSes are used while people browse the internet, whether it is in the personal, or business sector.The point is that they are only out to make money and they're doing a pretty good job by running a specific business model. Blitzing the marketplace by buying out competition and putting their software on as many systems as possible just isn't what apple as a corporation has ever wanted to do.
idk I thought the "im a pc and I don't like tweed" etc commercials were a pretty good response to the mac ads. I probably haven't seen all of the new pc/windows commercials tho, I don't watch much tv.
The point is that they are only out to make money and they're doing a pretty good job by running a specific business model. Blitzing the marketplace by buying out competition and putting their software on as many systems as possible just isn't what apple as a corporation has ever wanted to do.
I'M A PC AND I DO SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T INFLUENCE WHAT COMPUTER I USE AT ALL*personally identifies with consumer electronics*
and now microsoft is targeting faggot hipsters too, as well as trying to trick people by saying that the only reason they didn't like vista is because they were using it wrong
microsoft's commercials are getting worse than the mac ones now (and the mac ones were bad to begin with)
also how could you hold that against the PC commercial when that's exactly what the mac commercials have always done, except they're targeting dumb young people with their mac guy.
i dunno, their iLife programs and professional stuff like Logic or Final Cut Pro are pretty awesome
Actually I read that some (many?) of those children laptops started using Windows, and that open source people are upset about it.
you and some other people in this thread missed the part where i said the mac commercials are awful, they are all awful it's just that for some reason people don't hate the microsoft ones for being just as awful (and use the mac commercials as a reason for macs being bad when the windows ones are ALSO BAD)they aren't tho, like I said the premise of the pc commercials is to counter the stereotypes created by the mac ads and show that anybody can use PCs, not just out of touch old fat businessmen. they're good commercials because they make the mac's v. successful ads look bad.
well i am still a proud user of the legacy Windows XPWindows XP was good... then it sucked ass... now it's great.
they aren't tho, like I said the premise of the pc commercials is to counter the stereotypes created by the mac ads and show that anybody can use PCs, not just out of touch old fat businessmen. they're good commercials because they make the mac's v. successful ads look bad.
they're BOTH wrong in the way they're approaching thisI think we can all agree that marketing is probably some of the most counterproductive and repulsive shit ever
I think we can all agree that marketing is probably some of the most counterproductive and repulsive shit ever
still makes the mac ads look bad tho! the mac ads are making a stereotype even if nobody believes it (?). and a lot of people buy macs because of the ads, not just awful hipsters.
Windows XP was good... then it sucked ass... now it's great.Well to be honest, I am writing this on a desktop with Vista and so far it's given me a breezy experience. But I also have a laptop with Vista and another with XP. The Vista laptop is way too glitchy. Not to mention the performance still sucked harder on an AMD Turion 2X, 2GB RAM and a 7150M card than Windows XP on Pentium M, 1GB RAM, and a crappy Intel graphics card.
It was good when it came out because it was a nice step-up from the shit-fest that was ME.
It sucked ass when spyware started becoming really popular because it was infecting everyone's computers and no one knew what the fuck was going on or why their computer was running like turd on a snail.
Now it's great because it is a champ when it comes to performance and Vista is a slug on old machines.
But I love Vista... I actually use a lot of it's nice features. XP is okay but I often run into situations where I wish I was using Vista instead.
still makes the mac ads look bad tho! the mac ads are making a stereotype even if nobody believes it (?). and a lot of people buy macs because of the ads, not just awful hipsters.
yeah marketing is terrible. I actually just had an assignment on this that had some pretty good ads, lemme see if I can dig them up
edit: picked this one cuz it's funny and has a shout outHidden content (Click to reveal)(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/23836/jackiechan.jpg)
I don't see how one bad ad trying to make another look bad somehow makes the first ad good, which is what you were saying.
Also I've never, ever heard of anyone buying a Mac because of the ad. Ever. Awful hipsters were already going to buy Macs (to stick it to The MAN by buying into another The Man), they are just the only people who go "YEAH...THAT MAC GUY IS ME AND PCS ARE GAY", and they were already like that man!
The Mac ads make hipsters go "YEAH THAT'S ME PC SUCKS."
The Windows ads make other people go "YEAH THAT'S ME MAC SUCKS."
Tell me how these are different.
I don't see how one bad ad trying to make another look bad somehow makes the first ad good, which is what you were saying.well in addition to all I've already said, those windows ads don't actually mention macs. the ads aren't the same at all
Also I've never, ever heard of anyone buying a Mac because of the ad. Ever. Awful hipsters were already going to buy Macs (to stick it to The MAN by buying into another The Man), they are just the only people who go "YEAH...THAT MAC GUY IS ME AND PCS ARE GAY", and they were already like that man!
The Mac ads make hipsters go "YEAH THAT'S ME PC SUCKS."
The Windows ads make other people go "YEAH THAT'S ME MAC SUCKS."
Tell me how these are different.
hahahaha "what type of reader is this ad trying to reach?" I can't help but to smile real big when I think of someone seriously asking that question about that ad.idk I just like the milk bottle.
well in addition to all I've already said, those windows ads don't actually mention macs. the ads aren't the same at all
also look up how much better macs have been selling since they started running those ads?? every college kid has a mac. I'd talk about my chem lab here but I'm afraid Dada is lurking the thread waiting for me to drop some anecdotal evidence.
It is surprising that it took all the way to #40 to call out Apple products. Initially, we were planning for an entire week on Apple products, but that would just be over kill.
Plain and simple, white people don’t just like Apple, they love and need Apple to operate.
On the surface, you would ask yourself, how is that white people love a multi-billion dollar company with manufacturing plants in China, mass production, and that contributes to global pollution through the manufacture of consumer electronic devices?
Simple answer: Apple products tell the world you are creative and unique. They are an exclusive product line only used by every white college student, designer, writer, English teacher, and hipster on the planet.
You see, a long time ago Apple’s were super popular among layout artists and graphic designers. Then Apple released Final Cut Pro and became the standard for film editors. As a result, lots of creative industries used Apple computers instead of PCs. Eventually, people started making the connection, and all of a sudden all white people need to have a Mac.
When you ask white people about Mac’s they will say “oh, it’s so much better than Windows,” “it’s just easier to use,” “they are so cutting edge,” and so forth. What’s amazing is that white people NEED to meet people who use Windows to justify themselves spending an extra $500 for a pretty looking machine.
It is also important that white people are reminded of their creativity, and remember you need a Mac to creatively check email, creatively check websites, and creatively watch DVDs on planes.
White people also need iPods, iPhones, Apple TV, AirPort Express stations, and anything else that Apple will produce. Because you need to express your uniqueness by purchasing everything that a publicly traded company produces.
Apple products also come with stickers. Some people put them on their computer, some people put them on windows, but to take it to the pinnacle of whiteness, you need to put the Apple sticker in the rear window of your Prius, Jetta, BMW, Subaru 4WD Station Wagon or Audi. You then need to drive to a local coffee shop (Starbucks will do in a pinch) and set up your apple for the world to see. Thankfully, the Apple logo on the back will light up! So even in a dark place, people can see how unique and creative you (and the five other people doing the exact same thing) truly are!
Knowledge of Apple products can be useful in a number of social situations. If you see a white person with a Mac, an easy way to approach them is to say “Is that a Powerbook? What OS do you have?” They will happily start talking to you, after the requisite five minutes, you can invite them to an 80s night.
Do they really come with stickers??
(Macs ARE personal computers and therefore ARE PC's nimrods...) for more than making squirrel movies...
the better networking/server capabilities Windows hasThis is a serious joke. Like Diet coke says, linux, bsd and osx are miles ahead of microsoft on this front. This is one of the main reasons linux is so popular in universities, with scientists and in research centres.
By the way, when did schools change over to windows pcs? I remember toward the end of highschool my school started getting some dells for the typing/office classes but before that it was all apples since I was playing oregon trail in elementary school.
By the way, when did schools change over to windows pcs? I remember toward the end of highschool my school started getting some dells for the typing/office classes but before that it was all apples since I was playing oregon trail and odell lake in elementary school.
the fuck how old are you, I didn't think you were older than Hundley and I bet he remembers PCs in high school! they were all replaced by the time I got out of elementary school.my school had shitty macs with pre-osx operating systems almost exclusively, and the ones that weren't those were a few imacs and emacs. it's more about how broke the school is than anything. nicer schools have tons of pcs and maybe some macs, but i don't recall ever seeing more than a couple pcs or anything made after 2000 in my high school.
See the strange thing is that i've basically grown up using macs because my dad got an apple 2 and has only bought apple computers(cuz that's all he knows) and the whole APPLE IS HIP COOL AND CREATIVE thing is not something I've ever associated with them. And I don't buy that 'apple's crash less' bull because I've seen
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and
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more than I have cared to
sure their less prone to the kinds of problems windows users might be used to but they're a computer and have problems.
Really? Im suprise to hear that. Vista has been beyond frustrating for me. The Clunky interface and massive amount of bugs have severely hindered me many times. I havent had this many blue screens since I was running WIN95
Oh yeah I had another question: Why do so many people talk about how great macs are for music? What is so great about music on a mac? iTunes is a piece of garbage (my brother works for iTunes support and you are literally paying money to get bummed by Apple Co. [well not literally but that's more fun to say]) and as far as I can tell barely even supports the usage of music unless it is in its own batshit proprietary format that cannot be changed/converted/enjoyed without buying addition licenses. Yes, I'm aware iTunes can run mp3s, but so can 3943984 other free, non-ram hogging programs. Who with a PC tries to run a DVD and goes OH NO THIS DVD IS BROKE TIME TO BUY A MAC TO WATCH IT!I think they're talking about music creation/production homie. Almost all of the digital audio workstations I've seen set up were all hooked up to powermacs(mac pro now I think).
Maybe everyone thinks macs are taking over because most internet-savvy people see a macbook (or whatever) and say to themselves "Hmm there is a person I might have to slap in the near future" and commit to their memory, whereas the generally subtle grey and black windows-based notebooks don't fill them with ire.Does someone's choice in computer really have that much of an effect on you?
Mac are for people who think they're cool and original and friggin' trendy. No offense, but at least at my school girls are the ones who get MacBooks.
Back to business. What's the difference now? I've seen Mac's running Windows XP/Vista and Linux. And there's not likea difference in compatibility with Windows since everything works (or tries to) work with Windows, while in Mac you're like "OH SHIT I NEED ANOTHER WINDOWS EMULATOR".
Still I'm no Windows lover. I fucking HATE Vista. Makes my GeForce 7500 GTX useless. :)
you don't need a windows emulator on a mac because you can just install and run windows natively.a lot of people I've met irl have STRONG OPINIONS for/against PCs and macs too. again with macs it's part of the advertising gimmick, making people feel attached to a brand (I am a mac person) is v. successful. idk why people will fabricate reasons for hating macs tho, maybe because they feel left out, or they try to feel superior for SEEING THROUGH the hip trend and then they can scoff at all the sheeple. *sips organic coffee from wholefoods* heh, go back to your starbucks
it seems like a lot of you really don't like macs for completely silly or non-existant reasons. why is it that so many people on the internet have such an unusually strong opinion about apple computers???
actually the mac stereotype puts you in wholefoods with open toed shoes, pc guys would be at starbucks hitting on the barista.yeah I guess but I couldn't have a starbucks dude scoff at wholefoods.
actually the mac stereotype puts you in wholefoods with open toed shoes, pc guys would be at starbucks hitting on the barista.
WHAT IW NAT TO KNOW IS HOW A MAC USER A FUCKING MAC USER HE OR SHE 9WOMEN LOVE SHINY OBJECTS ITS A FAACT BLOOD DIAMONDS ANYONE??? VELFARRE) WOULD POST ON GAMING WORLD FORUMS? HOW ARE OYU GAMING TODAY WELL IG UESS IM PLAYING MAC GAMES OH YEA THERS NONE! THERE ARE NO MAC GAMES! NO MAC GAMES AT ALL! WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO USE IT FOR WELL HMM I GUESS MICROSOFT WORDS OH YEA THATS NOT ON MACS EITHER!!! NOTHIGNS ON MACS AND YOU CALL YOURSELF A GAMER WELL HOW ABOUT I TAKE MY PS3 CONTROLLER AND STICK IT IN YOUR BUTTHOLES YOU FUC,KING MAC USER, SEMPER PC GMAES
Uh DUHHHH steel there's not even any such thing as "PC" gaming because real gamers need a console that does nothing but play games to keep the games pure (game undistracted)Orthodox gamingism
EV Nova is not an EXCLUSIVE though. There's a WONDOWS version as well. Put that in ur pipe and smoke it!
Does someone's choice in computer really have that much of an effect on you?
it seems like a lot of you really don't like macs for completely silly or non-existant reasons. why is it that so many people on the internet have such an unusually strong opinion about apple computers???
fhhfhagasdgag im bsd who the fuck am I*sig'd*