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Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: FrostyPink on December 05, 2008, 09:42:37 am
http://www.konami.jp/kojima_pro/mgst/?ref=kjp_eng
Okay, this looks interesting. First of all Konami were discussing how they had no plans to release MGS4 on the 360, but with this, it looks quite darn possible. The symbol at the end is exactly the same as the 360 power button. Sure, that's not enough to say it is going to be for the 360, but the fact that the Xbox's official colour, green, is the dominant colour on there it seems pretty certain.
The tagline 'A Next Metal Gear Is...' makes me conclude that this is probably going to be the next incarnation of MGS4 (in the vein of Substance), which would be interesting.

In terms of disk space to use it, don't forget you can install disks to hard-drives on the 360 now... so you could get an install disk or two and a play disk, maybe.

Anyone else got thoughts on what this might be? And how would you feel on it coming to the Xbox (if that is what is happening)?
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Barack Obama on December 05, 2008, 10:10:12 am
I really don't think they could bring a game like MGS4 to the 360. Didn't they have to use a dual-layered blu-ray disk?
well maybe with multiple discs, but it'd be quite a bit of them cuz it'd take over 5 DLDVDs

Maybe there's one in the works that is tailor made for the 360 or they are just trying to say that it's "on" because that symbol is on just about every piece of computer hardware with a power button.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Farren on December 05, 2008, 01:25:44 pm
I hope so because then I'd have virtually no reason to buy a ps3
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: The Dude on December 05, 2008, 01:33:56 pm
if they took out all the movies from MGS4, and made the graphics like PS2 MGS, they'd have no problem porting it. I mean, instead of a movie, just have a codec that sort of explains how it happened briefly. Also, add a skateboarding part because Xboxers must like that stuff.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: The Dude on December 05, 2008, 01:36:30 pm
just looked at that site. Why would they say "A next metal gear" not "mgs4"? This could easily just be about THE next metal gear game, not a rehash. There was speculation of this anyway; maybe they're tired with Sony? Maybe they're the next Ace Combat traderbastardwhore. (uhm... leaking resentment, Dudesoft. Hit the post button!)
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Cardinal Ximenez on December 05, 2008, 01:39:08 pm
Fortunately, my guess is that it will be a crappy spinoff. The MGS team just likes to fuck with people.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Ragnar on December 05, 2008, 02:07:46 pm
The whole don't know if it's Engrish/don't know if it's a riddle thing was cute at first but now I wish Konami would stopping eating dick so much and just tell us

Edit: Maybe it's an anagram


Edit: Anagrams for A Next Metal Gear Is



what a shitty generator

Edit: All these anagram generators do stupid stuff like count "aa" as a word and basically the first 9000 results are 'aa' + other things wtf

Edit: It's kind of racist actually like Konami must have some decent translators but it has a feel like 'ooo you don't know if it's secret code or if we just don't know English very good' I'm not just saying that the whole 'A Next' thing reminds me of that Resident Evil 4 minigame that was called "The ANOTHER Order"

Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Izekeal on December 05, 2008, 02:19:00 pm
Quote from: Shacknews.com
The final green image in the sequence appears to resemble the Xbox 360 power button icon at first glance--though the icon itself is a standard power-related image used across many platforms. The "i" could also be a reference to either the iPhone, the Wii, or the upcoming Nintendo DSi.

The teased game could turn out to be anything from a new title in the Metal Gear Solid Ac!d series to an Xbox 360 version of Metal Gear Solid 4.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Ragnar on December 05, 2008, 02:20:52 pm
what a bunch of shitty vague shits
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Vellfire on December 05, 2008, 02:46:25 pm
Edit: Maybe it's an anagram

 :fogethuh: Well I for one am looking forward to Metagalaxies Ten, so you just keep your skepticism to yourself buster.





Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Warlin on December 05, 2008, 05:31:01 pm
For some reason that little 'website' just screams acid.
Ahahahaha.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 05, 2008, 05:37:06 pm
I really don't think they could bring a game like MGS4 to the 360. Didn't they have to use a dual-layered blu-ray disk?
well maybe with multiple discs, but it'd be quite a bit of them cuz it'd take over 5 DLDVDs

Maybe there's one in the works that is tailor made for the 360 or they are just trying to say that it's "on" because that symbol is on just about every piece of computer hardware with a power button.

we had a discussion about this when the game came out because I could not believe the game used that much, because it looked good but NOT THAT GREAT. I mean it doesn't look much better than say Dead Space or GoW2. it turns out because MGS4 is his opus he didn't compress ANYTHING. like if radiohead released one last album but you can only buy it on vinyl and .flac format. so no, it didn't USE that space, he just refused to save them in decent formats or whatever.
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 05, 2008, 08:15:36 pm
it turns out because MGS4 is his opus he didn't compress ANYTHING. like if radiohead released one last album but you can only buy it on vinyl and .flac format. so no, it didn't USE that space, he just refused to save them in decent formats or whatever.
I figured as much.
I'm pretty sure sony encouraged it too cuz there's a line in the game where its like "time to change discs... o wait ur using blu ray welcome 2 the next generation faggot, game on."
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: JohnnyCasil on December 05, 2008, 09:40:50 pm
The symbol at the end is exactly the same as the 360 power button.

::looks down at the power symbol on his Sony laptop, it looks exactly the same as the symbol in the flash video::

 :welp:

we had a discussion about this when the game came out because I could not believe the game used that much, because it looked good but NOT THAT GREAT. I mean it doesn't look much better than say Dead Space or GoW2. it turns out because MGS4 is his opus he didn't compress ANYTHING. like if radiohead released one last album but you can only buy it on vinyl and .flac format. so no, it didn't USE that space, he just refused to save them in decent formats or whatever.

I don't want to be RAGING NERD, but the reason they didn't compress anything is because they didn't want to spend the CPU cycles decompressing it later.  And if you have all that space to use, why bother to compress?  Not really a GOOD reason, but it makes more sense than just saying that Kojima, he is batshit insane (or is he?).
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Kaworu on December 05, 2008, 09:45:44 pm
Yes, he is.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 05, 2008, 09:46:44 pm
I dont buy it considering it had to install shit to the harddrive during every play, if it's a massive time saver I sure didn't notice! also hideos a shit head.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: JohnnyCasil on December 05, 2008, 09:52:42 pm
Like I said, I don't think he has a good reason either, I just remember that being said when he was talking about needed a dual-layer blu-ray for the game.  I agree that it was a major pain in the ass to  install everything to hard-drive ALL THE TIME.  The worst part was if you had a friend playing it on your system, and they were on a different act, each time you play after they do, you have to reinstall the data for your act and vice versa.  That was a pretty bullshit design.
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 05, 2008, 10:03:38 pm
I dont buy it considering it had to install shit to the harddrive during every play, if it's a massive time saver I sure didn't notice! also hideos a shit head.

OH NO A 2 MINUTE INSTALL AT THE END OF A 3 HOUR CHAPTER.

20 years previously:
I dont buy it considering it had to wait for it to load off the tape every play, if it's better than ticker tape I sure didn't notice! also hideos a shit head.

life is killing me  :cry:
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Carrion Crow on December 05, 2008, 10:06:52 pm
By the way, I just put Crysis on my PC and I spent the entire installation time vomiting into a bucket in disgust.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 05, 2008, 10:13:14 pm
OH NO A 2 MINUTE INSTALL AT THE END OF A 3 HOUR CHAPTER.

20 years previously:
life is killing me  :cry:

you're fucking kidding dude. he said hideo's excuse was it saves loading times, but before every chapter (three hours mostly of cinematics), of which there are five, it has to reinstall. in addition, as mr. casil pointed out, it's EVERY TIME YOU CHANGE ACTS. that means if you're playing act 1, a friend plays to act 2, you have to reinstall both acts 1 and 2. I'm not complaining about the time, I'm saying it's not a time saver. Dead Space fyi had a less than minute loading time between about 12 chapters, each of which was about an hour if you were a new player. most people here can bring examples. two minutes isn't inexcusable but it's certainly not saving loading times to do it all at once.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 05, 2008, 10:15:13 pm
also I'm fairly certain there were still normal loading times anyways between cinematics at times and during loading saves, sorry crumply couldn't make out your point your foot was in your mouth.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: maladroithim on December 05, 2008, 10:20:36 pm
It is pretty universally accepted that the MGS4 installs were stupid.  Installing a game is fine and I have done it on PC for years but it is outrageous that you can't install the whole thing at once.  It is super inconvenient if your friend plays and like you have half an hour to game before bed and you have to reinstall the same thing you had just installed 12 hours ago.  I think the game never uses more than 5 gigs or whatever out of your hard drive at one time, and that the whole install is actually only 25 gigs or something?  I mean it's super huge but I want to have the option to install all of it if I want to.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: TFT on December 05, 2008, 10:23:47 pm
I hope so because then I'd have virtually no reason to buy a ps3

maaaan, no joke. i've been wanting to play this forever, and the only way is if they put it on a 360 or something. i heard you can get the same effect by watching youtube videos for all the cutscenes though!
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 05, 2008, 10:31:12 pm
also guys that's a green symbol. it's not damning proof its for 360 but it does sway it that way, don't just be like MY POWERBUTTON IS THE SAME SHAPE. they cant just outright put the xbox symbol because then idiot nerds wont eat it up.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: JohnnyCasil on December 05, 2008, 10:34:24 pm
In a serious note, I'm calling it to be a Metal Gear Acid game for the iPhone.  The ! is the symbol for Metal Gear Ac!d.  i is quite clearly for the iPhone, and I am pretty sure that same power on symbol is on the iPhone.  Just because it is green doesn't mean MGS4 for XBox 360.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 05, 2008, 10:36:36 pm
oh so it is, I forgot the symbol of Acid. yeah that seems likely! maybe its a math game tho 1+1=0???? stupid japanese...
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: JohnnyCasil on December 05, 2008, 10:39:56 pm
Also, I'm pretty sure they already made a Metal Gear Acid for mobile phones before anyways, so everything really seems to be leaning towards that.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Barack Obama on December 05, 2008, 10:42:28 pm
Man ps3 is awsome dudes. Sell your busted ass 360s and get onboard before you get left in tha DUST.

Metal gear solid 4? Heh, yea, I played the shit out of it... Oh, u have and xbox? Meh, halo is aight, meanwhile I'm over here watching nick and norahs infinite playlist in HD and makin a little big planet level with a giant woman with tits I can swing on.
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Post by: Supra Mairo on December 05, 2008, 10:44:15 pm
correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't MGS4 just suck ass really, really badly? Like I recall watching a few clips and it was just so horrible garbage (referring to the cutscenes) and the topic we had here didn't exactly praise it either.

Also a friend of mine whos really into MGS bought ps3 just for this and he's regretted it every day.
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 05, 2008, 10:50:24 pm
correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't MGS4 just suck ass really, really badly? Like I recall watching a few clips and it was just so horrible garbage (referring to the cutscenes) and the topic we had here didn't exactly praise it either.

Also a friend of mine whos really into MGS bought ps3 just for this and he's regretted it every day.
No way bro. It uses the superior hardware of the ps3 to deliver the most immersive next-gen tactical espionage experience to date.

Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Supra Mairo on December 05, 2008, 10:51:37 pm
oh yeah, guess i was wrong.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 05, 2008, 10:52:14 pm
mgs4 was awful. dig up the old gw topic if you want, gz and I hated that fucking game.

even psyburn hated it. PSYBURN.

the guy who jacked off like twenty nerds just to get in line to meet hideo hated the game.
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Post by: maladroithim on December 05, 2008, 10:52:35 pm
I really like it.  It is one of my favorite games :(
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 05, 2008, 10:57:12 pm
well lets see who you gonna trust psyburn and I or hey where you guys going :(
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Post by: Rowain on December 05, 2008, 10:57:54 pm
From what I saw, the initial install for Act 1 clocked in much closer to ten minutes, not two.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Barack Obama on December 05, 2008, 10:59:40 pm
Metal gear is awsome guys I like all of them even tho they are tom clancy as hell
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Ryan on December 05, 2008, 11:07:38 pm
mgs4 was ok. also yea lol the loading times were much closer to 10 minutes than 2. i only played it at a bros house (can't afford a ps3) but continually installing would get annoying.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Ryan on December 05, 2008, 11:18:23 pm
i don't know if they were 30 minutes but some came close IIRC.

yeah he went to Iraq or Afghanistan or something to.. study life in a war zone or some shit. what a faggot
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 05, 2008, 11:22:59 pm
i only played it at a bros house (can't afford a ps3)

Some would say its the gaming experience for the truly elite... Sorry its out of your reach but you can't expect the future to wait up for you...
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 05, 2008, 11:29:15 pm
the 30 minute thing was a rumor but the ending might have clocked in that long with credits.
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Post by: Marcus on December 05, 2008, 11:34:07 pm
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the 30 minute thing was a rumor but the ending might have clocked in that long with credits.

The total time of cutscenes, however, does add up close to 8 hours.  Hideo mentions it in the "making of" disc. 

Beating the game in 5 hours nets you big boss rank and there are 8 hours of cutscenes.  There are more cutscenes then there is gameplay FFFFFFFFFF

I could care less if the game comes to the 360.  There's just no money in exclusives (unless Micro$oft is paying you).  Future "console wars" will be determined by the features built into the console, not the games themselves because I predict that exclusive 3rd party games will become rarer and rare in the next 5 years.
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Post by: pburn on December 05, 2008, 11:37:13 pm
MGS4 is a dumb fucking game.

The story is so godawful compared to the rest of the canon.

Seriously I fucking hate that shit, I fucking hate Kojima.

I will never forgive him for those 10 hours i spent on line.

fuck metal gear

man i can't believe i own MGS4 AND an unopened MGS4 LE I really want to see the making of.
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 05, 2008, 11:38:48 pm
Soon there's only gonna be 3 games per console with one exclusive on each and people are still gonna call each other faggots for buying one over the other.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: FrostyPink on December 05, 2008, 11:41:05 pm
::looks down at the power symbol on his Sony laptop, it looks exactly the same as the symbol in the flash video::

 :welp:
While I know it's the same symbol as on many things, the power symbol on the PC is not associated with being green, while green is the 360's official colour. I'm not saying this is definitly going to be for the Xbox, but it does seem rather likely to me considering that neither the Wii or PS3 have got GREEN power buttons.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 05, 2008, 11:42:06 pm
MGS4 is a dumb fucking game.

The story is so godawful compared to the rest of the canon.

Seriously I fucking hate that shit, I fucking hate Kojima.

I will never forgive him for those 10 hours i spent on line.

fuck metal gear

man i can't believe i own MGS4 AND an unopened MGS4 LE I really want to see the making of.

you can make fun of him for saying canon but he's right in how awful the plot was.

also:

While I know it's the same symbol as on many things, the power symbol on the PC is not associated with being green, while green is the 360's official colour. I'm not saying this is definitly going to be for the Xbox, but it does seem rather likely to me considering that neither the Wii or PS3 have got GREEN power buttons.

yah but he later made the point that i probably stands for iphone/pod and ! is the symbol for acid, its probably an acid for cellphones.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Barack Obama on December 05, 2008, 11:47:14 pm
Snaaaaaake!!!
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Post by: FrostyPink on December 05, 2008, 11:47:46 pm
yah but he later made the point that i probably stands for iphone/pod and ! is the symbol for acid, its probably an acid for cellphones.
Interesting choice of colour then, since green isn't associated with either the iPod or MGA.

It's soooo vague at the moment, but I hope it's something that suprises me quite pleasantly...
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Post by: Marcus on December 05, 2008, 11:48:08 pm
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you can make fun of him for saying canon but he's right in how awful the plot was.

hehe i tried to argue with gz saying that "it wasn't that bad" but then i got to the scene in chapter 4 where ocelot runs away taunting snake like a little bitch and raiden cuts his arm off and stops a battleship for like 30 whole seconds.

i just stopped caring from that point.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 05, 2008, 11:52:58 pm
wasn't there a voiceover of rose being like JACK...I LOVE YOU during that segment. it was so fucking awful.

mgs2 you could argue was a postmodern work intentionally campy and strange and there's elements to support this like PRESIDENT DICK GRAB, mgs1 is just preachy anime with a hint of what's to come (i mean, PUT CONTROLLER ON THE GROUND etc), mgs3 is more like 1 but mgs4 is just badly plotted and everyone restates everything; this was always a series problem but who didn't have most of the non plot point figured out by the time they eventually touched on it. SNAKE...YOU HAVE NO CHANCE SURVIVE MAKE YOUR TIME.

the best part of MGS4 was psycho mantis coming back and flipping out that there's a ps3 and just being like GFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FUCK YOU GUY.
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 05, 2008, 11:58:06 pm
Metal gear solid 4 is like counterstrike meets anime
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Post by: fatty on December 05, 2008, 11:59:30 pm
i hope they release a metal gear game for the dreamcast
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Post by: pburn on December 06, 2008, 12:00:29 am
I'm so pissed because MGS4 started off with a pretty good story. I really liked how Rose married Colonel and all that shit, but they just threw everything away. I kept playing with SOME HOPE THE ENDING WOULD BE GOOD.

But that was the worst part of the whole game.
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Post by: Marcus on December 06, 2008, 12:01:10 am
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the best part of MGS4 was psycho mantis coming back and flipping out that there's a ps3 and just being like GFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF FUCK YOU GUY.

(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/26699/METALGEARRRR.jpg)

PSYCHO MANTIS???!!!!???
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 06, 2008, 12:04:17 am
I'm so pissed because MGS4 started off with a pretty good story. I really liked how Rose married Colonel and all that shit, but they just threw everything away. I kept playing with SOME HOPE THE ENDING WOULD BE GOOD.

But that was the worst part of the whole game.

Real comedy ends with a marriage
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Post by: Marcus on December 06, 2008, 12:06:46 am
Real comedy ends with a marriage

(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/26699/METALGEARRRR.jpg)

ENDS WITH MARRIAGE!!???!!?? HRMARHRMRHRMRMRHRMRHM!!!
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 06, 2008, 12:13:54 am
A comedic tragedy... A fittind close for our tragic hero who spent his life on the battlefield. However with every ending there is a new beginning...
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 06, 2008, 12:20:58 am
you just can't please some people
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Post by: JohnnyCasil on December 06, 2008, 12:23:13 am
While I know it's the same symbol as on many things, the power symbol on the PC is not associated with being green, while green is the 360's official colour. I'm not saying this is definitly going to be for the Xbox, but it does seem rather likely to me considering that neither the Wii or PS3 have got GREEN power buttons.

Dude, why are you stil arguing this?  The power button on my laptop is the same green color as in the flash movie, so unless my Vaio is about to transform into a 360, I'm pretty sure this is a pretty moot point.  ....the google ad at the top of the page.... it's green.... what twisted fate is in store for the 360?  I just noticed my shirt has some green in it.... soon I will be on the 360.

Talking about the cutscenes in MGS4... I'm pretty sure the one cutscene topped out at over an hour.  And if I remeber correctly wasn't Act 3 just nothing BUT a cut scene?  I'm pretty sure one of the acts were.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 06, 2008, 12:26:12 am
no but I think act 3 was like really bad sneaking and then a motorcycle driving rails section followed by a boss. that was the one where the controls changed and you didn't actually do any sneaking around you just followed a guy who was whistling.

none could have topped an hour but the ending. the ending was just SO LONG. my friend came over, his mom had a snack and my mom chatted and by the time he left it was still going on. it's definitely near an hour if you count the final fight of hitting R1 as part of the cutscene.
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Post by: JohnnyCasil on December 06, 2008, 12:28:24 am
Oh man, that sneaking part was horrendous.  Especially due to how bad the AI was at times.  The idiot guy you are supposed to follow would randomly decide to go THE WHOLE WAY TO THE BEGINNING of the level numerous times.  And it wasn't even fun!  It just felt like a chore.
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Post by: TFT on December 06, 2008, 12:30:51 am
i don't know anyone who actually enjoyed ac!d. i tried it once and i couldn't finish the tutorial. snake flippin' through cards  :welp:
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 06, 2008, 12:57:51 am
The sneaky bit was the only bit of the game I didn't enjoy. Everything else was amazing and totally floated my boat. I am replaying it for the 3rd time now and I don't tire of the gameplay because it's just SO good.
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Post by: The_Emugator on December 06, 2008, 01:05:11 am
The symbol looked similar to the symbol to the power switch on my computer. Maybe they plan on making Metal Gear Online for PC and 360?
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 06, 2008, 01:08:03 am
for christ's sake someone edit the OP with YES ITS A POWER SYMBOL NO WE DONT KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS AND YES IT CAN MEAN XBOX OR PC OR MOST ELECTRONICS, thanks.
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Post by: Marcus on December 06, 2008, 01:22:42 am
i don't know anyone who actually enjoyed ac!d. i tried it once and i couldn't finish the tutorial. snake flippin' through cards  :welp:

It's a shame, Ac!d had a pretty good plot.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 06, 2008, 01:25:26 am
oh no! solid snake and liquid snake have combined! and made...a...ac!d snake???? ~this is a real plot from mgs ac!d ignore marcus's denials
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Post by: GZ on December 06, 2008, 01:28:24 am
how did you guys play this game with friends over ???

this is one of the dumbest games to play with PAL PRESENT IN ROOM because you will never know what the fuck is going on unless you play the whole game (even then GOOD LUCK) and half the time you aren't even playing. it is the ultimate anti-pal game.
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 06, 2008, 01:32:27 am
there's still room for a gaseous or plasma snake
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 06, 2008, 01:33:39 am
how did you guys play this game with friends over ???

this is one of the dumbest games to play with PAL PRESENT IN ROOM because you will never know what the fuck is going on unless you play the whole game (even then GOOD LUCK) and half the time you aren't even playing. it is the ultimate anti-pal game.
beers and constant wise-ass remarks
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Post by: JohnnyCasil on December 06, 2008, 01:34:34 am
Bose-Einstein condenstate Snake
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 06, 2008, 01:35:03 am
the installation screens were basically the game telling you: "Hey, why not take a smoke break? You earned it champ!"
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Post by: esiann on December 06, 2008, 01:37:06 am
there's still room for a gaseous or plasma snake
amorphous solid snake
non-newtonian liquid snake
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 06, 2008, 01:39:04 am
you can play with a pal, just take it in turns to do the bosses cause you always die like 10 times when your doing a boss and you're drunk anyway

trying to stab vamp in the neck could've been easier
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 06, 2008, 01:41:46 am
you can play with a pal, just take it in turns to do the bosses cause you always die like 10 times when your doing a boss and you're drunk anyway

trying to stab vamp in the neck could've been easier
that was the dumbest boss fight ever
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Post by: Marcus on December 06, 2008, 01:53:37 am
that was the dumbest boss fight ever

no, what was dumb was killing 30 gecko while half the screen is taken up by a fight involving foot swords and getting stabbed through the stomach multiple times.
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 06, 2008, 01:55:48 am
no, what was dumb was killing 30 gecko while half the screen is taken up by a fight involving foot swords and getting stabbed through the stomach multiple times.
well at least with that it's pretty straightforward on what you're supposed to be doing
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Post by: baseball19225 on December 06, 2008, 01:59:42 am
don't know much about MGS games, but I saw a cutscene from number 4 where Raiden (?) had some robots roped to his legs and he started breakdancing and swinging them around. what was that? it was hilarious.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 06, 2008, 02:01:56 am
its exactly what you said, raiden breakdance killing like ten gecko robots.
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Post by: Marcus on December 06, 2008, 02:02:50 am
don't know much about MGS games, but I saw a cutscene from number 4 where Raiden (?) had some robots roped to his legs and he started breakdancing and swinging them around. what was that? it was hilarious.

Yes, the breakdancing robots.  

Look, Raiden was just the most ridiculous aspect of the game.  It's like Kojima wanted to please everyone who thought Raiden was gay (quite the opposite as Raiden took out like 20 MG Rays, a harrier, a vampire, etc.) by making him as DRAGON BALL Z as humanely possible.  The game is nothing but meandering and redundant conversations but Raiden was absolutely 100% RIDICULOUS.
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Post by: Marcus on December 06, 2008, 02:17:32 am
nah, they'd think it was cool.  if snake kisses a man surely it must be a-ok and not weird or anything.
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Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on December 06, 2008, 02:28:11 am
Isn't that just a generic power symbol for electronics?
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 06, 2008, 02:45:23 am
nah, they'd think it was cool.  if snake kisses a man surely it must be a-ok and not weird or anything.

dude there's nothing wrong with comrades in arms doing shit like slapping each other's asses in the shower, maybe a victory kiss, and I dunno... like when there's down time just kinda take their pants off and wrestle around a little in their underwear. 'snot gay or anything, just a little bromance in the heat of battle
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Post by: pburn on December 06, 2008, 03:32:08 am
If there were less dumb ass fan boys Kojima wouldn't have put as much stupid shit in this game like Raiden, but it is still inexcusable to have him come back like 3 times.
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Post by: Barack Obama on December 06, 2008, 04:05:59 am
If there were less dumb ass fan boys Kojima wouldn't have put as much stupid shit in this game like Raiden, but it is still inexcusable to have him come back like 3 times.
i think that if left to his own devices, kojima would design a 20 hour cutscene with 40 minutes of gameplay
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Post by: maladroithim on December 08, 2008, 04:49:11 pm
I love MGS4 a lot but I agree that it is ridiculous and stupid.  I tried to explain this to my roommate who hates everything except for Woody Allen, menthol cigarettes, and MGS4 but like . . . he is all NO METAL GEAR SOLID 4 IS AWESOME IT ISN'T A JOKE WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT??  He hates anime etc but he still thought MGS4 was legitimately fashionably "cool" and not a slightly intentionally stupid game whose esoterics sort of missed the mark.

Also Marcus: Being able to beat the game in 5 hours in a speedrun doesn't mean that there is more time in story sequences than gameplay :(
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Post by: Killface on December 10, 2008, 10:58:21 am
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/57239/RROD.gif)
Isn't it obvious?

It'll be revealed to be a joke. Just so they can laugh and point.
From what I've read, MGS 4 sounds fucking ridiculous plot wise. Am I right to think this?
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Post by: Ragnar on December 10, 2008, 03:36:36 pm
Yes, the breakdancing robots.  

Look, Raiden was just the most ridiculous aspect of the game.  It's like Kojima wanted to please everyone who thought Raiden was gay (quite the opposite as Raiden took out like 20 MG Rays, a harrier, a vampire, etc.) by making him as DRAGON BALL Z as humanely possible.  The game is nothing but meandering and redundant conversations but Raiden was absolutely 100% RIDICULOUS.

I find it bizarre that in the Jap version of the game Raiden's voice is like 37 semitones lower. The American version definitely is more like how a guy like Raiden would sound

but yeah I don't know how you can make Raiden badass when MGS2 was just a huge pretense for getting him naked/peed on/choked by Sean Connery with tentacles - although actually in effect I remember I thought anything Raiden did was badass because like I didn't even expect for him to be able to use a handgun let alone STINGER MISSLE hell even the fact that he could punch and kick was like wtf


But yeah MGS4 sounds disappointing - I actually thought the game might be uber-gameplay this time around before it came out, because I heard the story went all over the world and shite
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 10, 2008, 05:29:49 pm
MGS4 was awesome though. All the people who are bitching are bitching just for the sake of it. Most arguments are OH THIS WAS SO IMPROBABLE IN A COMPUTER GAME or THE CUTSCENES WERE TOO LONG but that's only because people LOVE moaning. When people moan they get a little jolt of satisfaction having vented something out of their system like GOD DAMN that feels good I made such a reiterated point there.

Compare MGS to an EA game. Compare it to most of the mindless drivel that came out this year. God it was so shit wasn't it [/not]

That moan felt great. I just came.
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Post by: pburn on December 10, 2008, 09:56:44 pm
MGS4 was awesome though. All the people who are bitching are bitching just for the sake of it. Most arguments are OH THIS WAS SO IMPROBABLE IN A COMPUTER GAME or THE CUTSCENES WERE TOO LONG but that's only because people LOVE moaning. When people moan they get a little jolt of satisfaction having vented something out of their system like GOD DAMN that feels good I made such a reiterated point there.

Compare MGS to an EA game. Compare it to most of the mindless drivel that came out this year. God it was so shit wasn't it [/not]

That moan felt great. I just came.
How am I bitching just for the sake of it. The story sucks. The story sucks.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 10, 2008, 10:09:47 pm
MGS4 was awesome though. All the people who are bitching are bitching just for the sake of it. Most arguments are OH THIS WAS SO IMPROBABLE IN A COMPUTER GAME or THE CUTSCENES WERE TOO LONG but that's only because people LOVE moaning. When people moan they get a little jolt of satisfaction having vented something out of their system like GOD DAMN that feels good I made such a reiterated point there.

Compare MGS to an EA game. Compare it to most of the mindless drivel that came out this year. God it was so shit wasn't it [/not]

That moan felt great. I just came.

this is a dumb post, people complained because they paid over 60 dollars for a game with more cinematics than gameplay and although you'd expect those cinematics not to be boring they almost all were. the best cinematic was when you flipped through a tv at the beginning.

at least shitty mindless drivel knows it's mindless and doesn't actively insult your intelligence.
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Post by: Tau on December 11, 2008, 12:35:06 am
Compare MGS to an EA game. Compare it to most of the mindless drivel that came out this year. God it was so shit wasn't it [/not]
I'd rather play something like Dead Space, hell even Mirror's Edge over shit like MGS4. Those count as EA games right?

If this did come out for Xbox 360 obviously it would please some people but really all it would say was that everything Kojima said or Konami said about it not being able to work on the console was a big fat lie. Which I would much rather know, seriously it can't have been THAT big of a game.
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Post by: The Dude on December 11, 2008, 03:53:22 am
I think the main problem with Raiden is that people bitch about Raiden. People like that exist, and the same weirdass shit happens to Snake / Naked Snake. But it wasn't Snake. It was a scronny pasty-white bleachblonde elite soldier. Like everything in the Metal Gear series it's over the top / silly. At the heart of MG games there's some message or another, but the stories are basically a giant joke. Like they'll start with something not so obsurd, missile hijacking, and add in more obsurdity, its fired by a giant walking mech, and keep adding, a vampire who can walk on water, and keep adding, a dead guy alive through genetic experiments, and keep adding, some guy alive through an arm; until it's this giant hilarious mess.

MGS4 admittedly had a ton of cutscenes; but I'm not complaining. It brought this aforementioned jumbled hilarious mess of a plot to closure. Plus the gameplay was fun. The Metal Gear Rex vs. Ray battle was awesome; all the bosses were interesting and enjoyable; and the final Metal Gear was crazy with all those little arm-orb soldiers.
Dunno, it was like enjoying a really good television series in one sitting.

Heh, and yeah MGS is silly: "RUMBLE IS BACK!" -Psycho Mantis' ghost
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Post by: xanque on December 17, 2008, 03:47:24 pm
http://toucharcade.com/2008/12/17/konami-to-bring-metal-gear-solid-silent-hill-dance-dance-revolution-to-iphone/

The next Metal Gear is coming to the iPhone and the iPod Touch!  This is awesome, and this might be the game that makes everyone aware that these devices are also gaming platforms.
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 17, 2008, 04:01:13 pm
There was so much mac product placement in MGS4 I am surprised we didn't clock onto this.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 17, 2008, 04:27:28 pm
many people did! you were too busy arguing over MGS4 to notice!
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Post by: Grogrog on December 17, 2008, 04:39:20 pm
this is a dumb post, people complained because they paid over 60 dollars for a game with more cinematics than gameplay and although you'd expect those cinematics not to be boring they almost all were. the best cinematic was when you flipped through a tv at the beginning.

at least shitty mindless drivel knows it's mindless and doesn't actively insult your intelligence.

If people are complaining for paying 60 bucks for a game that they didn't like, it's their own issue for not renting the game first, or realizing this is a Metal Gear Solid game, known for large amounts of long cinematics.

The cinematic weren't up to par of the other games, a lot of them, or maybe all of them had at least one part that was just ugh worthy.

And I think crumply does have a point. This game is better than most of the other shit out there, and a lot of work was put into it. I can understand just not liking a game, bit I'm pretty sure people do get their jollies from ranting about a game in a topic about that game over and over.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 17, 2008, 04:47:58 pm
dude what. NONE of the MGS games had the number of cutscenes this one did. it was only a few days before release that rumors of 30 minute cutscenes arose. the game is actually substantially different from the others (they all take place in single environments, where MGS4 had five different ones, just off the top of my head) and no amount of "MGS game" preps you for that. also renter places take a bit of time to get games anyways.

people can feel gypped by a game and have a legit complaint without having to jump through consumerhoops.
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Post by: Vellfire on December 17, 2008, 04:59:57 pm
also renter places take a bit of time to get games anyways.

and some people live in areas where you can't rent games because the only place to rent anything in their town is blockbuster and their blockbuster is still 90% VHS tapes (its me (this is me (this is my town) ) )
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 17, 2008, 05:07:28 pm
In the uk we have lovefilm where they post or "mail" you the film/game of your choice and you can have so many a month depending on your subscription. I do it for Blu Rays and PS3 games and it is a lot more economical than buying titles when they come out.

Having said this, I am totally happy with my £40 purchase of MGS4 as I have played though it many times.
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Post by: Supra Mairo on December 17, 2008, 05:24:47 pm
dude what. NONE of the MGS games had the number of cutscenes this one did.
I dunno man, MGS3 was pretty gay in this regard because they hand over the controls to you for like 10 minutes then you get to the next area and there is a cutscene followed by a summary of the cutscene via codec then rince and repeat. They weren't super long or anything but they constantly kept pausing the gameplay and when they start discussing with some halfassed philosophical metaphors you just want to skip it all.

MGS2 was had a lot longer gameplay sections and it was a shorter game but in the end you get that 10 hour codec marathon + cutscenes and none of it is even remotely interesting but you are always uncertain if there's that one bit of information that you need in the midst of it all.

I recently played MGS1 and even that is guilty of dreadfully long codec conversations and cutscenes (there's only a few though) but since the dialogue is more down to earth and the plot isn't full of random shit you almost want to read it all.
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Post by: Vellfire on December 17, 2008, 05:25:45 pm
In the uk we have lovefilm where they post or "mail" you the film/game of your choice and you can have so many a month depending on your subscription. I do it for Blu Rays and PS3 games and it is a lot more economical than buying titles when they come out.

Having said this, I am totally happy with my £40 purchase of MGS4 as I have played though it many times.

Yeah we have something like this but for the small number of games I'd rent, it's not worth paying that much a month.
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Post by: xanque on December 17, 2008, 05:28:59 pm
I don't mind long cutscenes, but the quality of MGS4 cutscenes was awful.  Toward the end, everything got REALLY Japanese.  There was one four minute period where everyone was going "oh! Ah! Uh!" instead of using actual dialog.  It felt like I was watching fucking anime.  

The other MGS games weren't like this.  They were always packed with action and real emotion.  I just played through MGS3 again, and holy shit that game was fun.  
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Post by: maladroithim on December 17, 2008, 08:31:43 pm
Toward the end, everything got REALLY Japanese.  There was one four minute period where everyone was going "oh! Ah! Uh!" instead of using actual dialog.  It felt like I was watching fucking anime.

This is an unfiar criticism because I am pretty sure that the game was supposed to come off as "REALLY Japanese" and that feeling like you were "watching fucking anime" was sort of the point.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 17, 2008, 08:42:40 pm
all the MGS games have been somewhat postmodern deconstructions of japanese tropes. I mean, MGS2 and 4 directly claimed they were repeats of MGS1 at several points, if you think the plot is some Robert Altman shit but JAPANESE AUTHOR I'm not sure you get it.

I disliked 4 a lot but not because it was "too anime".
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Post by: Ax_Dude on December 17, 2008, 08:56:56 pm
Im not that impressed with this news.

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The game is of the “touch shooting” genre and will use the iPhone’s touchscreen for targetting as well as zoom mode control.  The initial release will feature eight stages, with more to come in future updates.  Progress in the game will be rewarded by unlocked images and wallpaper from the Metal Gear series.

That sounds shit.
I do not think the Iphone could do a Successful MGS game.
A Metal Gear Ac!d game, Fine, Easy. But not a fully Blown one.
Something Like Metal Gear or Ghost Babel probably.
This news is dissapointing that its just going to be a Lightgun game.
The Silent Hill game seems about the same aswell.
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Post by: maladroithim on December 17, 2008, 09:17:21 pm
I am not surprised or disappointed that it is just a shooting gallery, but it is a little silly that this announcement was actually hyped.  It's along the lines of other throw-away mobile versions of big-name games.

I am really skeptical of the iPhone as a gaming device because there isn't really much option for input.  You can click and there is a tilt sensor, but that's not enough for most types of games.  I am surprised there isn't more buzz about the Google phone as a gaming device because it seems to me like the same thing but a little more appropriate for gaming.
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Post by: xanque on December 18, 2008, 12:17:35 am
This is an unfiar criticism because I am pretty sure that the game was supposed to come off as "REALLY Japanese" and that feeling like you were "watching fucking anime" was sort of the point.
But none of the other games felt like this at all.  And until about 3/4 the way through MGS4, it didn't feel like anime at all.  It just sort of came out of nowhere. 
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Post by: xanque on December 19, 2008, 02:41:36 pm
http://toucharcade.com/2008/12/18/more-metal-gear-solid-touch-details/

Well, this got lame quickly.  It's just going to be a shooting game.  You turn Snake to aim and shoot, and that's it. 
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Post by: Liman on December 19, 2008, 06:32:18 pm
Is the name official? Metal Gear SOLID TOUCH?
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Post by: xanque on December 19, 2008, 07:14:17 pm
Is the name official? Metal Gear SOLID TOUCH?
If the name of the game is your biggest concern, you'll probably end up enjoying this game.
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Post by: Ragnar on December 20, 2008, 03:51:09 am
go on baby touch my Solid Snake  :naughty:
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Post by: Liquid Ocelot on December 21, 2008, 04:40:01 am
Hmmm, could be worse, I think it could work I mean brothers in arms was a decent i-phone shooter even with the limited controls. It convinced me that a shooter could work when done right.
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 21, 2008, 10:57:47 am
I think that apple trying to sell their iphone as a gaming platform is a huge crock of shit. The one you see advertised is "super monkey ball" which is one application of an accelerometer as directional control. Fantastic, love it, sure fire hit of a gimmick.

Ok so what about games that require buttons? Imagine you're holding an iphone horizontally. You have the power to tilt the device and you have your two thumbs to inaccurately mash whatever is placed in the vicinity of the left and right sides of the screen.

How is a shooting gallery game even going to work? Would you feel okay about spending £35 per month on a contract phone then playing the casual gamer's equivalent of whack-a-mole as you attempt to stealthily shoot some grunts on the screen.

No. No. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Get a slim phone and a nintendo DS, secure them together with superglue. If that doesn't give you the sense of wellbeing an iPhone would then spray the bottom half silver and put an apple sticker on it so that your friends know you're serious about style and technology.
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Post by: xanque on December 21, 2008, 04:40:00 pm
I think that apple trying to sell their iphone as a gaming platform is a huge crock of shit. The one you see advertised is "super monkey ball" which is one application of an accelerometer as directional control. Fantastic, love it, sure fire hit of a gimmick.

Ok so what about games that require buttons? Imagine you're holding an iphone horizontally. You have the power to tilt the device and you have your two thumbs to inaccurately mash whatever is placed in the vicinity of the left and right sides of the screen.

How is a shooting gallery game even going to work? Would you feel okay about spending £35 per month on a contract phone then playing the casual gamer's equivalent of whack-a-mole as you attempt to stealthily shoot some grunts on the screen.

No. No. Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

Get a slim phone and a nintendo DS, secure them together with superglue. If that doesn't give you the sense of wellbeing an iPhone would then spray the bottom half silver and put an apple sticker on it so that your friends know you're serious about style and technology.
Okay, this argument is full of holes. 

- The iPod Touch and iPhone are gaming platforms.  Super monkey ball isn't the only game on it, as there are many others that use the accelerometer is even more creative ways. 

- The systems have a touch screen, so they can put the buttons wherever they want.  Having used the iPod touch a lot, I can say that it's actually quite comfortable and easy to use.  I had more trouble working with the DS because it had the touch screen (requiring a stylus, not a finger) and buttons.  The DS is incredibly awkward to use for a lot of games that require a lot of movement.

- There are already shooting gallery games on the iPod Touch and iPhone.  You tap the screen to shoot, and some use the accelerometer to aim.  It's actually really neat, and I find it easier to do than playing an FPS on a console (Why are FPSs on consoles?).

- You don't pay a monthly fee to use the iPod Touch.  I don't recommend the iPhone at all, though I can't speak from experience using it, but I highly recommend the iPod Touch.  There's a lot more to it than just games, but there's no reason good, quality games can't exist on it. 

- The Nintendo DS is an inferior console.  The games that have been released for it are mostly shit.  I'm not saying there aren't a few gems, but considering the price of each game ($30 usually), it's just not worth it.  Games on the iPod Touch are rarely more than $9.99.  Most games cost between $.99 and $3.99.  Also there are a ton of free games, all of which can be downloaded directly to the system via wi-fi. 

I'm not saying MGS Touch is going to be a good game, but holy crap everything you said was wrong.
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Post by: Vellfire on December 21, 2008, 04:46:34 pm
- The iPod Touch and iPhone are gaming platforms.  Super monkey ball isn't the only game on it, as there are many others that use the accelerometer is even more creative ways. 

Just out of curiosity, do you consider all (relatively new) phones gaming platforms?  Because I don't see how you could see the iPod/iPhone as one and not all newer phones.
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Post by: dragonx on December 21, 2008, 04:53:10 pm
Okay, this argument is full of holes. 

- The iPod Touch and iPhone are gaming platforms.  Super monkey ball isn't the only game on it, as there are many others that use the accelerometer is even more creative ways. 
i was playing super mario bros 3 on my HTC Touch, it must get MGS Touch too

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- The systems have a touch screen, so they can put the buttons wherever they want.  Having used the iPod touch a lot, I can say that it's actually quite comfortable and easy to use.  I had more trouble working with the DS because it had the touch screen (requiring a stylus, not a finger) and buttons.  The DS is incredibly awkward to use for a lot of games that require a lot of movement.
having used an ipod touch a lot also I must say whever they place the buttons

it fucking sucks takes up parts of the screen or just feels INCREDIBLY FUCKING AWKWARD

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- There are already shooting gallery games on the iPod Touch and iPhone.  You tap the screen to shoot, and some use the accelerometer to aim.  It's actually really neat, and I find it easier to do than playing an FPS on a console (Why are FPSs on consoles?).

i agree lets move FPS to the iphone and my htc touch, i can play halo ont eh go!!!!!!

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- You don't pay a monthly fee to use the iPod Touch.  I don't recommend the iPhone at all, though I can't speak from experience using it, but I highly recommend the iPod Touch.  There's a lot more to it than just games, but there's no reason good, quality games can't exist on it. 
:rolleyes:

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- The Nintendo DS is an inferior console.  The games that have been released for it are mostly shit.  I'm not saying there aren't a few gems, but considering the price of each game ($30 usually), it's just not worth it.  Games on the iPod Touch are rarely more than $9.99.  Most games cost between $.99 and $3.99.  Also there are a ton of free games, all of which can be downloaded directly to the system via wi-fi. 

hahaha have you played the ds? they are at least FULL games, there are LOTS O' GOOD GAMES(lots of good remakes??)

you are absolutely ridiculous

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I'm not saying MGS Touch is going to be a good game, but holy crap everything you said was wrong.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 21, 2008, 04:54:08 pm
hahahaha xanqui trying to convince people tapping a non existant button where the controller and the screen are one and the same is BETTER than a console FPS.

ps no, I've played fps games on the touch, they kinda suck.
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Post by: Liquid Ocelot on December 21, 2008, 05:20:42 pm
hey, rail shooters could be done on a phone but only really with machine guns(u would just have to keep your finger on the touch screen, simple), thats why i am partly sceptical on the whole "Metal Gear Touch" kind of thing. What if you have to use a handgun? A sniper Rifle? consecutively tapping would be kind of a repetitive chore after a while...
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 21, 2008, 05:29:46 pm
fyi zooming in is fucking ridiculous. like it's neat for maps and hires images, but doing it during gameplay, fuck it, not doable. xanqui is kinda talking out of his ass. there are neat little games and all sorts of cool apps and I'm considering upgrading to a touch this christmas (I've got an old bulky ipod that doesn't display pics or vids SO) but calling it a gaming device is the kind of dumb shit only hideo believes.
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Post by: Carrion Crow on December 21, 2008, 05:54:14 pm
You can't play a game properly without REAL buttons. That's why consoles don't have shitty touchscreen controllers because they are about as ergonomic as dog shit. Everyone knows this and it is impossible to argue otherwise!

84 million units in sales kinda makes the NDS.... generally liked?
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 21, 2008, 06:29:53 pm
seriously im gonna back up dragon x on this.

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- The iPod Touch and iPhone are gaming platforms.  Super monkey ball isn't the only game on it, as there are many others that use the accelerometer is even more creative ways. 
the ipod touch is a gaming platform in the same way a cellphone is; tangentially. who are you kidding? no one has ever bought an iphone to play games on, that's just an extra.

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- The systems have a touch screen, so they can put the buttons wherever they want.  Having used the iPod touch a lot, I can say that it's actually quite comfortable and easy to use.  I had more trouble working with the DS because it had the touch screen (requiring a stylus, not a finger) and buttons.  The DS is incredibly awkward to use for a lot of games that require a lot of movement.

you've drawn a false argument that because the DS requires a stylus its controls are not as good. the touch has NO OTHER OPTION where the DS has normal buttons in addition to the touchscreen. very few games use the touchscreen as the primary control. in addition, you think it's easy to use? a controller where your screen is BLOCKED BY THE VERY FINGERS YOU USE TO PUSH BUTTONS? also a glass rectangle is ergonomic? fyi it does not matter where the buttons are, as everyone knows the only good placements will be in the corners.

the touch is incredibly cool when browsing movies, music, or playing much simpler games. it pretty much sucks a hard one when it comes to games that require "button mashing", as the buttons do not exist.

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- There are already shooting gallery games on the iPod Touch and iPhone.  You tap the screen to shoot, and some use the accelerometer to aim.  It's actually really neat, and I find it easier to do than playing an FPS on a console (Why are FPSs on consoles?).

yeah there's no way you aren't alone in this. I've played a few FPSs on the touch. unless it's a literal shooting gallery, as in no movement whatsoever, consoles beat the fuck out of it. hell, DOOM on SNES beats the hell out of it. because your screen and your controls are one and the same.

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- You don't pay a monthly fee to use the iPod Touch.  I don't recommend the iPhone at all, though I can't speak from experience using it, but I highly recommend the iPod Touch.  There's a lot more to it than just games, but there's no reason good, quality games can't exist on it. 

he's clearly talking about the phone. he even said PHONE. why are you talking about the touch? and yes there are very good reasons good quality games can't exist on it; a lack of fucking BUTTONS is a good reason maybe. how about a tiny ass screen and an oversensitive accelerometer? do you think just because it exists it's a good thing? that's why half of gw has nintendo wiis they don't even touch anymore.

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- The Nintendo DS is an inferior console.  The games that have been released for it are mostly shit.  I'm not saying there aren't a few gems, but considering the price of each game ($30 usually), it's just not worth it.  Games on the iPod Touch are rarely more than $9.99.  Most games cost between $.99 and $3.99.  Also there are a ton of free games, all of which can be downloaded directly to the system via wi-fi.

the worst DS game beats the hell out of the best touch games because they either have fucking BUTTON PRESS (jesus christ xanqui no one is going to agree with you that a console can be successful without buttons) or they aren't a rendition of a shitty flash game. the best touch game I've seen is the multiplayer Cube which aside from suffering from all the previously mentioned problems, isn't that good in any way. what are you fucking on man? SNAKE? a fucking GUITAR HERO clone? POCKET TANKS? these are games you think are better than the DS? of course they are free, they are all kind of shit. I get the feeling you've never actually used a DS as the complaint A STYLUS makes no fucking sense for almost every game and the games are much better than the flash derivatives on the touch.

seriously just two days ago I spent extensive time with a touch and thought "man this is just the neatest thing" but it's shit for videogames! the apps are so much more useful than the crappy flash games.
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Post by: Eltee on December 21, 2008, 07:18:34 pm
the best thing about the itouch/iphone are those apps that serve no purpose whatsoever
like that lightsaber app
your itouch/iphone goes vwoom vwoom vwoooom

or that beer app
if you turn it upside down the beer depletes
you can fake drinking from your iwhatever!!! innovative!!

also yeah, the itouch works better than the DS in terms of controls
as long as you're rolling balls or driving auto-accelerating cars

and not anything else
i mean i just see the itouch ad on tv where they show all those games the rythm game just
makes me cringe with frustration just trying to imagine myself hitting those buttons

there's also some monkey grapplehook game where you tilt to move or something but you have to touch to grapple
hello carpal tunnel

edit: i'm getting pissed at myself for overusing the enter key
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Post by: FrostyPink on December 21, 2008, 07:35:30 pm
shut up steel, xanqui has convinced me I should have picked up bioshock for the iPhone then.


seriously, though, the lack of buttons does put this behind the DS quite badly. I don't care for graphics and little shitty gimmicks if the feel of the game is shit it isn't worth playing and I hate to say, as steel says, FPS' on the iPhone are pretty horrible.
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Post by: something bizarre and impractical on December 21, 2008, 08:10:29 pm
My stepsister is getting an iPod touch this Christmas and I was playing around with a couple days ago and it was pretty fun. If you're just looking to browse the internet, read wikis, and listen to music then it's actually really cool. I wouldn't say it is a 'gaming platform' by any means though, sometimes it's hard to see what you're clicking on in webpages let alone fast-paced games.
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Post by: xanque on December 21, 2008, 08:24:25 pm
hahahaha xanqui trying to convince people tapping a non existant button where the controller and the screen are one and the same is BETTER than a console FPS.

ps no, I've played fps games on the touch, they kinda suck.
I worded myself a little awkwardly.  Shooting gallery games are not the same as FPS games.  MGS Touch is going to be a shooting gallery game, where you aim and shoot, but don't move. 

But console FPS games are horrible.  Using the directional sticks at the same time is really difficult, at least for me.  The PC is the only platform I've used where FPS games really work. 

But no, FPS games don't work on the iPod yet. 

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the worst DS game beats the hell out of the best touch games because they either have fucking BUTTON PRESS (jesus christ xanqui no one is going to agree with you that a console can be successful without buttons) or they aren't a rendition of a shitty flash game. the best touch game I've seen is the multiplayer Cube which aside from suffering from all the previously mentioned problems, isn't that good in any way. what are you fucking on man? SNAKE? a fucking GUITAR HERO clone? POCKET TANKS? these are games you think are better than the DS? of course they are free, they are all kind of shit. I get the feeling you've never actually used a DS as the complaint A STYLUS makes no fucking sense for almost every game and the games are much better than the flash derivatives on the touch.
The DS is a piece of shit.  It was a great idea at first, but the games are absolutely atrocious.  Aside from one game, the first Phoenix Wright, every DS game I've played has been garbage.  I haven't spent any money on games for my iPod, and while the games haven't been AMAZING, they've been FREE. 

Ugh, I don't want to defend Apple anymore.  iPod is a shitty console.  There.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 21, 2008, 08:25:55 pm
you do move you turn and zoom in, which is why i think this will be kinda hellishly awkward! have you used the zoom interface?
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Post by: Bandito on December 21, 2008, 09:47:49 pm
Xanqui have you played that modr harvest moon and the last zelda game for the ds? What about Mario Kart and all the mario games? Those games are actually good...
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Post by: Roman on December 21, 2008, 10:04:46 pm
one time I played the original Mario on an NES emulator on the iPhone.  The way it worked was that the screen was turned into the NES controller, and in between the d-pad and the a/b buttons was the actual game.  it was completely, completely impossible to control and I could barely get past the first jump or even the first goomba.
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Post by: The Dude on December 23, 2008, 06:21:52 am
Man that's hella lame. I've been all for puzzle games and card games on cellphones, it's a great way to wait for a bus if there's no sudoku available. However to sit there with a special brand cellphone to find out what happens before FF7, or After Kingdom Hearts 2, is just gay. I'm bound basically to Bell because I get a kick-ass deal through my dad's union. But I have to buy some damn iPod to play my MGS fix? Fuck that. Release that shit on DS where you're guarenteed X amount of sales way the hell higher than a niche market like iPod. Konami's shooting themselves in the foot with this one, unless it's just like two guys working on it in the corner of the office...
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Post by: Mirthless on December 23, 2008, 07:50:08 am
wow lol to say the only good game for the DS is Phoenix Wright and that it's games are "atrocious" you clearly haven't played anything on the DS.

Mario Kart
New Super Mario Bros.
Sonic Rush 1 and 2
Phoenix Wright 1 to 3
Apollo Justice
Castlevania (all 3 of them)
Yoshi's Island 2
Pokemon Diamond/Pearl
TLoZ: Phantom Hourglass
The World Ends With You
Disgaea
Trauma Center (2 of them)
Contra 4
Metroid Prime Hunters
FF Tactics A2
Advance Wars
Kirby: Canvas Curse
Lunar Knights
Sonic Chronicles
Mario and Luigi blablabla
the brain training crap
...and other good stuff like Wario Ware touched, Elite Beat Agents, all the puzzle shit, etcetc...

Remakes:
Kirby Superstar
Final Fantasy 3
Final Fantasy 4
Chrono Trigger
Mario 64
Tetris DS

You clearly don't know anything about the DS ORRRRRRR have a very bad taste in games (you play shit like Madden or play nothing more than FPSs or MMORPGs etc)
The DS is freakin awesome period

I agree on the fact that FPSs are not meant for consoles, its pure crap. SOME of them actually work ok but MOST of them are crap with a controller. The XBOX 360's controller works best for FPSs but the PS3's is shit. (Compare trying to control Bioshock on the 360 vs ps3) As for the Wii... Metroid Prime 3 made us think wiimote+nunchuk were the next best thing (after mouse+keyboard) for playing FPSs, too bad no other exclusive FPSs with perfect controllers were ever made again for the Wii. (Not that you can call Metroid Prime 3 a TRUE FPS either)

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Post by: The Dude on December 23, 2008, 08:54:47 am
wow lol to say the only good game for the DS is Phoenix Wright and that it's games are "atrocious" you clearly haven't played anything on the DS.

Phoenix Wright 1 to 3
Apollo Justice
The World Ends With You
FF Tactics A2
Advance Wars
the brain training crap

Remakes:
Kirby Superstar
Final Fantasy 4
Chrono Trigger
Mario 64
Tetris DS

Fixed. I left some of the remakes on there because I neither care/haven't bothered trying them.


You clearly don't know anything about the DS ORRRRRRR have a very bad taste in games (you play shit like Madden or play nothing more than FPSs or MMORPGs etc)
The DS is freakin awesome period

I agree on the fact that FPSs are not meant for consoles, its pure crap. SOME of them actually work ok but MOST of them are crap with a controller. The XBOX 360's controller works best for FPSs but the PS3's is shit. (Compare trying to control Bioshock on the 360 vs ps3) As for the Wii... Metroid Prime 3 made us think wiimote+nunchuk were the next best thing (after mouse+keyboard) for playing FPSs, too bad no other exclusive FPSs with perfect controllers were ever made again for the Wii. (Not that you can call Metroid Prime 3 a TRUE FPS either)
What pray-tell is wrong with FPSs on console? I've never had an issue with it, and in many cases it feels better. See: Halo, Perfect Dark, Resistance, Gears of War, etc. I almost want to say Quake 3 on Dreamcast, but that's pushing it. :welp:
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Post by: Vellfire on December 23, 2008, 01:50:36 pm
wow lol to say the only good game for the DS is Phoenix Wright and that it's games are "atrocious" you clearly haven't played anything on the DS.

It's more like the only games that warrant buying a DS are the Phoenix Wright games, and the other games are either better and/or cheaper on another console (and just as good) or atrocious.

This is coming from someone who loves the DS, but most of it is pretty unnecessary, and if it weren't for Phoenix Wright I really wouldn't have a reason to own a DS (I mean there's also Professor Layton and Hotel Dusk, but Hotel Dusk has no replay value whatsoever and Professor Layton is great but not worth buying a system for, at least there are enough PW games to make the purchase acceptable).  I've spent a lot of time trying to defend the DS in the past but to be honest it really doesn't have all that much to offer in terms of exclusive things.  Personally I don't see the point in buying the latest Kirby or Mario game though.
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Post by: xanque on December 23, 2008, 02:15:12 pm
wow lol to say the only good game for the DS is Phoenix Wright and that it's games are "atrocious" you clearly haven't played anything on the DS.

You clearly don't know anything about the DS ORRRRRRR have a very bad taste in games (you play shit like Madden or play nothing more than FPSs or MMORPGs etc)
The DS is freakin awesome period

I agree on the fact that FPSs are not meant for consoles, its pure crap. SOME of them actually work ok but MOST of them are crap with a controller. The XBOX 360's controller works best for FPSs but the PS3's is shit. (Compare trying to control Bioshock on the 360 vs ps3) As for the Wii... Metroid Prime 3 made us think wiimote+nunchuk were the next best thing (after mouse+keyboard) for playing FPSs, too bad no other exclusive FPSs with perfect controllers were ever made again for the Wii. (Not that you can call Metroid Prime 3 a TRUE FPS either)
Way to psychoanalyze me. 

I've never played a Madden game for more than twenty minutes in my life, and the only MMO I played was the old Star Wars Galaxies... and that was for two whole weeks.  I'm also not that big of a fan of the FPS genre, but there are a few games I really like.  Bioshock was great, and of course everything in the Orange Box (though I haven't had a chance to play team fortress due to my lack of Internet at my apartment).  The Metroid demo on the DS was pretty neat, but mostly as a concept for the DS.  I don't think it executed the FPS well.

I did forget to mention that The Sims 2 for the DS was pretty awesome.  This game beats the shit out of Animal Crossing DS, and running a hotel was neat, especially with the bizarre story that went along with it.  You end up becoming a superhero and fighting off aliens and robots, and it has absolutely nothing to do with running a hotel.

My favorite genre is the non-Japanese RPG, so if you want to attempt to psychoanalyze me again, don't base it on the fact that I think the DS is a pretty lousy console. 
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Post by: Ralph on December 23, 2008, 03:15:38 pm
It may have been because you stated that all DS games except the first PW game were atrocious as a fact. If you don't like the games, I can understand that. But it basically felt like you were saying "ALL THE DS GAMES SUCK THIS IS A FACT", which made the summing up of good NDS games quite fitting.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 23, 2008, 04:31:48 pm
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Way to psychoanalyze me. 

I've never played a Madden game for more than twenty minutes in my life, and the only MMO I played was the old Star Wars Galaxies.

that was half of his statement. the other half, a different argument divided by an "or" still holds true:
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You clearly don't know anything about the DS

I don't like the DS either but Phoenix Wright is not the only reason to buy it.

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Post by: Eltee on December 23, 2008, 06:47:40 pm
I don't particularily like handhelds, and the only one I'd get would be PSP to just mod the fuck out of it and bring with me many emus and psx support, but I can still see some decent games on both the PSP and the DS.

Alot of them are pointless shit, but can be entertaining, but like Velfarre said, looking at them it may come off as pointless to buy them, unless you're a huge dicksucking fanboy of a certain series. But yeah, Phoenix Wright might come off as the best 'original' series for the DS, but that doesn't mean it's the only thing you'd get for it. There are other 'good' games, one of which people seem to go batshit for being The World Ends with You(ok i hate it but i guess 31052395 people love it)

So yeah, there's not that much, but there's definitely more than just PW.



Also, isn't it psychanalyze? Psychoanalyze sounds crazy to me.
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Post by: Vellfire on December 23, 2008, 10:52:05 pm
I don't particularily like handhelds, and the only one I'd get would be PSP to just mod the fuck out of it and bring with me many emus and psx support, but I can still see some decent games on both the PSP and the DS.

Alot of them are pointless shit, but can be entertaining, but like Velfarre said, looking at them it may come off as pointless to buy them, unless you're a huge dicksucking fanboy of a certain series. But yeah, Phoenix Wright might come off as the best 'original' series for the DS, but that doesn't mean it's the only thing you'd get for it. There are other 'good' games, one of which people seem to go batshit for being The World Ends with You(ok i hate it but i guess 31052395 people love it)

So yeah, there's not that much, but there's definitely more than just PW.



Also, isn't it psychanalyze? Psychoanalyze sounds crazy to me.

If it wasn't for you wanting PSX games, I'd say get the Wiz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X_Wiz) when it comes out instead of getting a PSP just for emulation.  You don't have to go through the hassle of cracking it and most of the emu stuff works better than on the PSP (it's also the same price, if not cheaper, and has a touch screen and plenty of homebrew shit).  Unfortunately PSX emulation isn't quite there yet, but then again since only a few people have early versions of the Wiz there's no telling what it'll be able to do.  On the previous system you could play some 2D, less complicated games at a playable rate.   I've already got one preordered, since I don't really care about emulating anything PSX-era or later, mostly because of its DOSBox support.

But yeah basically what I was saying is that PW is the only thing that is worth BUYING a DS for, because the other things that are worth buying aren't worth buying a system for.  If it weren't for PW, I probably would have never bought the DS, because nothing else screamed "I am worth the purchase of a DS".

edit: actually looking at youtube videos the GP2X systems can emulate PSX better than I thought, it can run FF7 it's just kinda slow, but it looks totally playable
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Post by: Mirthless on December 24, 2008, 11:28:46 am
It's called "The World Ends With You". I'd buy a freakin ps3 if I had to to play that game.
How about the 3 Castlevania's? Not worth buying a DS for?
How about all the classic 2d games with sweet gameplay like Megaman ZX etc?
How about all the casual games like Mario Kart etc?
How about all the point and click adventures combined?
How about ALL of this combined? You don't buy a system just for one game, it's the whole package that counts.

If all that is not worth buying a DS for then simply your taste for games is extremely... well what can I say? Different?... Narrow?...

I'm going as far as to say I prefer a DS over a PS3, a lolpsp, a Wii or a 360. I simply play the DS the most, it gives me the most fun, as simple as that. It's my own personal taste, I'm not saying its better to have a DS than anything else because that's not the case for other people. I love 2d games, and I love creative and innovative games, hence the reason of why a ps3 is second on my list (Helloooooooooo Little Big Planet). It's MY taste for games. There's a saying that goes "colors were made for the different tastes". I'm not trying to convince you to buy a DS or giving you reasons to buy one, I'm just saying that it isn't right to say "this console is only worth buying because of this game". I think Halo is pure shit, nothing more than another FPS, yet you will never see me saying that a 360 isn't worth buying because of Halo but because of Gears of War, because I can see what other people like in Halo even if I don't like it.
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Post by: Eltee on December 24, 2008, 01:10:28 pm
...I did call it The World Ends with You, didn't I

But see, that's what I think Velfarre meant to say about like, all those Castlevanias and Megaman games and Mario Kart/Party/Orgy, they're all the same thing over and over again. Play one and you've played them all. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy them, but alot of people wouldn't give a shit, just like they wouldn't give a shit about Madden 2009 since it's pretty much 2008 which is pretty much 2007, etc..

You can't call someone's taste NARROW because they don't enjoy buying a system to play rehashed sequels
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Post by: Vellfire on December 24, 2008, 01:47:40 pm
...I did call it The World Ends with You, didn't I

But see, that's what I think Velfarre meant to say about like, all those Castlevanias and Megaman games and Mario Kart/Party/Orgy, they're all the same thing over and over again. Play one and you've played them all. Doesn't mean you can't enjoy them, but alot of people wouldn't give a shit, just like they wouldn't give a shit about Madden 2009 since it's pretty much 2008 which is pretty much 2007, etc..

You can't call someone's taste NARROW because they don't enjoy buying a system to play rehashed sequels

This is exactly it.  I mean there are some games that are worth buying updated versions of, but for the most part I don't have a reason to buy Mario Kart again, I don't have a reason to buy another Castlevania or Megaman (I have Megaman II, why would I need another one ever?).  The few times I've played a newer Castlevania or Megaman, I still liked the older ones better.  I don't want to buy a system for that.  That doesn't mean YOU don't like the latest Castlevania or Megaman, you obviously do, but what I'm saying is that a LOT of people don't consider that worth buying a system for by any means, and would ONLY buy those games if they already had a DS.  I own several remakes for the DS, all of them are terrible.  Sim City DS is too clunky, Rhapsody DS was a disappointment and a half (for me to say this this is major news), Harvest Moon DS was awful, Rune Factory was even worse so I'm lumping it in with the remakes...all of these things were games that had been done much better in the past.  Why is my view narrow for not wanting to buy games I ALREADY OWN?

And, since most of the things you mentioned are remakes, that is why I said it would be better to just get the Wiz.  You could easily play all the games these remakes and slight updates are based on for free, and the console isn't that expensive and can do FAR more.  The one thing it can't do that the DS can is play Phoenix Wright.  That's all.  I'd say none of this matters to you whatsoever, because you DO like the rehashes of old games, but it is almost impossible for you to convince someone that doesn't think like that that the DS is worth buying for them.  If someone owns almost any other nintendo console and already has these games, what would make them want Mario Kart DS?  My little cousin is getting a DS for Christmas and we got him Mario Kart DS at my recommendation.  Why?  Because he doesn't have anything other than a Wii so this will be his first Mario Kart DS.  The DS is for him.  I already have several Mario Karts.  The DS is only for me because of Phoenix Wright.  This is the argument man.  I'm not saying YOU ARE WRONG THOSE THINGS ARE NOT WORTH BUYING A DS FOR, I am saying that that is a poor argument because A LOT of people do not find it worth buying a DS for that, and you'd have to find a better way of defending a DS.  I defend my DS by saying it's inexpensive compared to some other consoles, it has Phoenix Wright, and it's the best alarm clock I've ever had.  Unfortunately that won't convince anyone either, and it becomes pretty noticeable that the DS is hard to defend, because in a lot of cases it's not worth buying over something else.

Also The World Ends with You had the single worst intro I've ever seen in a game and don't understand how anyone can play that thing this is the part where you start yelling at me.
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Post by: Ralph on December 24, 2008, 04:16:13 pm
Also The World Ends with You had the single worst intro I've ever seen in a game and don't understand how anyone can play that thing this is the part where you start yelling at me.

 :fogetinsane:


Nah, but seriously, that intro was a friggin' joke. Good thing the rest of the game wasn't as terrible as that. But I can see why someone wouldn't like TWEWY, the style is quite... distinctive. To say the least.
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Post by: Vellfire on December 24, 2008, 06:44:25 pm
:fogetinsane:


Nah, but seriously, that intro was a friggin' joke. Good thing the rest of the game wasn't as terrible as that. But I can see why someone wouldn't like TWEWY, the style is quite... distinctive. To say the least.

Well the style of the intro was whiny, how's the rest of the game?
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Post by: Ralph on December 24, 2008, 07:41:47 pm
I wasn't talking about the whiny part, but more about the "TOP HIP URBAN JAPAWESOME" thing.
But to answer your question, Neku's kinda whiny at first, but his character developes into a reasonably OK guy. However, not really before the .


EDIT: Holy crap, topic derail.
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Post by: Mirthless on December 25, 2008, 05:34:42 am
You mean the whole "Shut up, get out of my face." thing? I thought it was pretty good. It was just weird... I liked it. Anyways... Maybe you should read my previous post all over again because you ignored all of it. For example, I said:
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I'm not trying to convince you to buy a DS or giving you reasons to buy one, I'm just saying that it isn't right to say "this console is only worth buying because of this game".
...and you said:
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I'd say none of this matters to you whatsoever, because you DO like the rehashes of old games, but it is almost impossible for you to convince someone that doesn't think like that that the DS is worth buying for them.
I know it is impossible, I said so myself, read my post.

Things like this are scattered all across your post so bleh... I will not repeat myself, just read my previous post again. You are basically just agreeing with me.

Also, I lol'd at "I own Megaman 2, why would I need another Megaman ever?" That's like saying "I own Doom, why would I need another FPS ever?" You guys are taking this to the ridiculous. Remember, "colors were made to please everyone's different tastes."

So ummm let's change subjects, I want to know something else: What system do you have/want and why do you think it is worth buying for?
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Post by: Ralph on December 25, 2008, 11:15:11 am
So ummm let's change subjects, I want to know something else: What system do you have/want and why do you think it is worth buying for?

Uh, isn't it better if we make another topic for that and get back to MGStalk over here? Just sayin'.
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Post by: Vellfire on December 25, 2008, 01:22:38 pm
Also, I lol'd at "I own Megaman 2, why would I need another Megaman ever?" That's like saying "I own Doom, why would I need another FPS ever?"

My brother and I had a long conversation last night about how neither of us really have any desire to ever buy an FPS again because he hasn't found anything better than Quake and I haven't found anything better than UT2k4.  So I would say something similar to that sorry!
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Post by: Marcus on February 21, 2009, 10:15:41 am
I definitely didn't see this coming! (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/45726.html)

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Post by: Kaworu on February 21, 2009, 10:47:26 am
you don't know anthing about DS how dare you judge it
*lists all of the DS' worst games*
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Post by: Kaworu on February 21, 2009, 10:49:47 am
DS is really really terrible(hmm gimmicks, gay rpgs and remakes all with terrible controls). But it still beats the shit out of the touch.
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Post by: xanque on February 21, 2009, 02:30:11 pm
Wow, that trailer looked like shit. 
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Post by: Rowain on February 21, 2009, 02:36:01 pm
Sweet, Metal Gear: Whack-A-Mole!

The cardboard cutout graphics are especially alluring.
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Post by: JohnnyCasil on February 21, 2009, 03:19:23 pm
Why isn't this on the XBox 360?  That green power symbol means it has to be on the 360!
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Post by: Rowain on February 21, 2009, 03:46:11 pm
Yeah idk. The power symbol is a universal one, I mean the PS3 has the exact same symbol on the console. But the green is definitely a 360 thing, the power symbol lights up green on the 360 console. Who knows, A NEXT METAL GEAR IS is a stupid slogan anyway and I don't know what any of it meant.
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Post by: JohnnyCasil on February 21, 2009, 04:18:47 pm
I was making fun of all the people who were convinced because of the universal power symbol it would be for the 360, when all evidence pointed to the contrary.  :welp:
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Post by: Carrion Crow on February 21, 2009, 04:37:37 pm
Products fail when designed by committees. This is such a product.
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Post by: Rowain on February 21, 2009, 05:55:10 pm
I was making fun of all the people who were convinced because of the universal power symbol it would be for the 360, when all evidence pointed to the contrary.  :welp:

Ah, I thought it was a queer assumption for one so learned as yourself.....
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Post by: Liquid Ocelot on February 21, 2009, 07:24:29 pm
I definitely didn't see this coming! (http://www.gametrailers.com/player/45726.html)

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Wow does this look rediculously LAZY. I mean the cardbord cutout like models look colorful, but they animate like FUCKING TIGER ELECTRONIC GAMES!!! This is a waste, I lost all faith in this(or what little I had).
Yeah idk. The power symbol is a universal one, I mean the PS3 has the exact same symbol on the console. But the green is definitely a 360 thing, the power symbol lights up green on the 360 console. Who knows, A NEXT METAL GEAR IS is a stupid slogan anyway and I don't know what any of it meant.
Well its pretty simple, Kojima and Sony wanted to team up and pull a harsh "prank" on 360 users so they created a trailer, showing a 360-ish symbol. Then they revealed that it was a cheap ass i-pod touch game. Then they rubbed it in the face of all 360 users while laughing and screaming "ROFL, YOU FUCKERS FELL FOR IT". But out of all seriousness, that was very misleading and it pissed off many who actually wanted this to come to the 360 but think about it, MGS4 would need like 8 discs to be ported to the 360 and that would be VERY annoying to switch discs like every fucking 3 hours.
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Post by: xanque on February 21, 2009, 07:27:28 pm
Products fail when designed by committees. This is such a product.
Um, pretty much every commercial game released in the past decade was designed by a committee.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 21, 2009, 08:41:44 pm
yeah I had trouble parsing that. ignore games I don't know many products that aren't designed by a group.
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Post by: Liquid Ocelot on February 22, 2009, 09:51:23 pm
Wow after i played this game: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9p5QK_PrSA&feature=related, it is clear that he could have done much more on a fucking I-Phone(and that game shown in a video is an N-Gage game)
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Post by: pburn on February 22, 2009, 10:13:08 pm
But an iphone doesn't have buttons!

Doing complex shit like moving and shooting would be near impossible on a touch screen!
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Liquid Ocelot on February 22, 2009, 10:23:18 pm
Yeah but even still, they could manage. For example, if they used an overhead style then tapping where you want snake to move wouldn't be too bad, or tapping an enemy to shoot them. For actions like going up against the wall is a mystery though, but still they could have done SOMETHING. Since they are going with the rails style, they could have at the very least used the 3D engine, this looks like video clips slapped on cardboard.
Title: 'A Next Metal Gear Is...'
Post by: Boulvae on February 23, 2009, 03:51:06 am
They could've made another Metal Gear game, ah yes those pools of orange sulfuric acid sure do bring back memories.