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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Sapsuker on December 19, 2008, 06:17:09 am
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notice: There have been many topics REQUESTIN' ANIMES and whatnot and this isn't one of them. If you just want give a list of your favorite animes in this topic please please do not do it.
There are tons of animated films and shows out there. And of these countless animated works, there are some very interesting pieces that can be obscure or have never been brought up before. I want to see these, because I know they exist. And I'm sure a lot of other people here would like to know more artistically unique animations that are out there.
"Artistically interesting" is a pretty broad term though! What I'm looking for is animated that have (1) a unique way of telling a story, (2) a different or really interesting approach to the animation, (3) good or interesting or unique timing to (unique) music and sounds.
Note that this list does NOT exclude anime. But it can't have stuff like, say, INUYASHA or NARUTO, unless there is a very good reasoning behind it...which there isn't. If you're going to suggest an anime, suggest something like Mindgame (for it's interesting, unique approach) or The Big O (film noir anime??? with giant robots that fight realistically????? this is interesting and artistic i guess!!).
I'll start off with a couple of animations I find interesting, and will add more as (if) the suggestions come in.
Samurai Jack - Wikipedia link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samurai_Jack)
I made a topic about Samurai Jack a long time ago. It's directed by Genndy Tartakovsky, who is also known for Dexter's Laboratory and Clone Wars. The art style and animation of Samurai Jack is very, very distinct and sets it apart from other cartoons. The story is nothing to rave about, but the action and the different events that each episode centers on is really neat.
The Thief and the Cobbler - Wikipedia Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thief_and_the_Cobbler)
The story is nothing fancy, and is quite simple. The main characters are mute. The setting and, at first glance, the art style is very similar to Aladdin. What sets The Thief and the Cobbler apart, though, is its excellent and unique approach to animation. Richard Williams' original intent was to make it his masterpiece, and put a lot of work into it. It's pretty hard to find traditional animation so smoothly put together like in this one. It's a cult film, though, and though there are some flaws to it, there will be people who praise it endlessly. There's a lot of interesting history behind its production. To see how Richard Williams intended it to be made, check out the "Recobbled" cut here (http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=18B0CA620B61D076).
Gertie the Dinosaur by Winsor McCay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY40DHs9vc4
one of the earliest examples of animation, the first character-based animation, and the predecessor of pretty much every mainstream animation today. not the most exiting thing to watch these days, I posted this one instead of like STEAMBOAT WILLIE because gertie isn't very well known while pretty much everything from the Disney era is. you can check out Little Nemo, also by Winsor McCay (the animation starts a couple minutes in) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcSp2ej2S00&feature=related
-earl chip
Akira sXe SUBS NOT DUBS hXc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGXL-6Jv1pw[/url) seriously the english voices are unbearable.
Akira is often regarded as one of the greatest animated films. a popular verbal example of its animation is a scene where Tetsuo is sitting in front of a chain-link fence. the wind blows and every single link moves with it, reacting to the swirls of wind and opposing drafts realisticly. the amount of detail put into just the MOVEMENT of this film is astounding.
also, like the thief and the cobbler, it has a huge cult following. a lot of them are pretty dumb people who will scoff at Naruto and Halo but still enjoy some really dumb shit like idk waging wars against Naruto and Halo. these people claim it not only has incredible animation, but it also has the greatest story, characters, music, everything. that's definitely a stretch! it's still a pretty good film, but it is kinda lame at parts iirc and these days tetsuo isn't too SHOCKING towards the end.
-earl chip
Windsor McCay's Work - example (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6N3giozPbI)
Winsor McCay was the man, there's something called 'The Centaurs' on youtube that's the last remaining footage of a full movie he was working on. It's just a few disconnected scenes but it's pretty incredible in terms of realistic movement when you consider most other cartoon characters at the time moved like they were made of rubber. I think it was all handdrawn by McCay too.
-thecatamites
Ren and Stimpy - Wiki link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ren_and_Stimpy[/url)
I love how ridiculous and over-the-top the movements and expressions are in it, its great. Everything has character. It has this quality to it that is rarely found today I think!
-Frankie
Aeon Flux - Wiki Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeon_Flux)
I haven't seen this yet so if anyone can give a brief overview of what makes it special that'd be pretty nice!
Adam Phillips work/Biteycastle - Homepage (http://biteycastle.com)
This is one of the more popular flash animations out there. Adam Phillips worked in the special effects department at Disney on some movies iirc, and decided to independently develop his own animations. His work in Flash is pretty stellar and he really knows how to create water. All of his work is available on the internet for free. I recommend seeing Littlefoot, the Yuyu, and Waterlollies, his most recent ones.
Prelude to Eden - Watch here (http://www.gagneint.com/Final%20site/misc/Prelude%20to%20Eden/Prelude.htm)
I really like Michel Gagné's work. Prelude to Eden is animated using an obscure computer program that makes it look traditionally animated. It's just pretty cool work I guess, and is pretty short. Gagné does a lot of other types of art and I recommend you check his stuff out!
Cowboy Bebop - Wiki Link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cowboy_bebop)
I'm sure nearly all of you have heard of this show. It's an anime, yeah, and it's probably one of the most popular ones out there. I'm guessing quite a few of you may disagree with me in regards to it being a good animation, but I feel it's really worth mentioning because of its style. Very rarely have I seen a cartoon or a TV show with a really jazz-heavy soundtrack and an overall great musical theme. I really respect Shinichirō Watanabe's work because he doesn't just MAK ANIME. He blends multiple genres and has really interesting pacing. Cowboy Bebop is one of those shows that's just bound to be a classic. I really like it, though I know some of you won't. Animation-wise, it isn't the best thing in the world. But it's really timed very well, I think, and the music is just a really cool theme. Overall it's highly unique for an anime and even an animated show overall, so if you haven't seen it yet check it out.
There are a lot more I could add, and I know that there must be a ton of really good, obscure works out there that you all know about. Mindgame was mentioned in another topic, and it surprised me that it hasn't really been talked about here.
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It's directed by Genndy Tartakovsky, who is also known for Dexter's Laboratory and Clone Wars.
and powerpuff girls. ppg was a good show for kids.
later I can talk about cat soup and akira and ghibli, but I think there are some big ghibli fans here so they probably know more than me.
I still need to see mindgame! I saw a few parts and it looks really good
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man powerpuff girls was a really good show. i thought i was the only one who thought that. cartoon network has some great cartoons on it.
also i have not seen akira in forever but yeah it had some very nice animation parts (the only part i have seen recently is BIKE CHASE and it was nice, anyway), but yeah i would suggest cat soup and SELECT ghibli films since not all of them are particularly impressive in terms of animation. there was this one anime i saw once, like on a website, and it looked UNREAL but i forgot to download it and now it is lost forever!!
uh idk, i'm trying to think of good WESTERN THINGS. all that is immediately coming to mind is aeon flux which i always thought looked pretty cool. fff yeah man i dunno, i'm drawing a blank. maybe i'll have something later. i know i've seen some really impressive american animation that isn't necessarily cartoon network/nickelodeon stuff
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Well you know when it comes to animations few things can beat out Disney. Except perhaps the old Looney Tunes (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looney_Tunes) and Merrie Melodies (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrie_Melodies). Of course neither of these are really obscure but I think they often get overlooked when thinking about awesome animation. A bit of Bugs Bunny or Daffy Duck. Or some of the more standalone shorts without more rarely seen characters.
Or the Disney shorts (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Disney_animated_shorts) with Donald vs Huey, Dewey and Louie. They also have some standalone shorts with nonrecurring characters. (Personally I'm no big fan of Mickey Mouse)
Personally I think the animation in these were most impressive in these older shorts (1930-1960s) and all the newer stuff has more or less left me with no lasting impressions (Though I guess it's also because of boring content, since the animation style... well it hasn't really improved I suppose but it still isn't bad), except the Disney movies of course. They still deliver from time to time, but those are about as unobscure as you can get.
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man I don't know what tartakovsky FIGURED OUT. maybe some secret of cheap animation without textures, whatever, but I converted everyone I know by showing them a good version of Jack versus the Zombies, I think it's episode 33. the animation is just fucking...ffff.
we just had a thief and the cobbler topic, check it out for a derail where I talked about the weird subculture around the movie.
however, I'm not just impressed by fluidity; a show like the simpsons, even in season 2, was displaying better animation than family guy was by its second season (everyone knows I saw an absurd amount of the show by now, but in one ep I actually said "wow" because it was this pan from a checkerboard to an office building with changing colors, hard to describe!). shows like futurama cost MILLIONS of dollars per episdoe, and it sometimes showed. squigglevision made shows like home movies pretty endearing.
I remember bort once obliterated some anime nerd saying "anime is the most varied of cartoons" by posting pictures of Ed Edd and Eddy, Ren and Stimpy, TMNT, Samurai Jack, and Spongebob. it was pretty awesome.
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there are good suggestions here. i've never seen akira, but i've heard about it, so i have to check it out now! i'll also look at some of the disney short's. i actually respect disney's older films a lot because they basically developed the foundations of modern animation (correct me if i'm wrong) and snow white was the first animated feature ever to be made.
i will update the list later when i'm more awake. in the meantime, could any of you write like a small synopsis of the animations you suggest? it makes it easier to compile the list, especially if i haven't seen the animation.
also, i want to make a note that suggestions don't have to be strictly traditional animation. there's a ton of really cool artistic stop motion animations out there (i can't think of anything off of the top of my head right now but i remember seeing a small clip of the coraline film adaption and it looked really good), and of course there's always 3D animation, which i'm not too fond of...but if it's really artistic and unique (i'm thinking cel-shaded stuff, i just find cel-shading very cool), then by all means throw some in. also, there are a ton of flash animations out there that are really good. granted, a ton of them are just fighting stick figures, but there are some really great gems out there such as biteycastle's animations, mr. coo, etc. and flash animations are generally much much more accessible than tv shows and films, so if you see any really good ones recommend them
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man it really sucks, my one professor last year gave us an overview of some classic animation, but I can't remember the names of any of them! a lot of them were really good. one was an interview of this animator, another was a betty boop where she walks around a real house and they have a camera on a rotating table, and another had a clown. that last one isn't very helpful because back in the day everyone animated clowns. if anyone knows what they are let me know!
Gertie the Dinosaur by Winsor McCay http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY40DHs9vc4
one of the earliest examples of animation, the first character-based animation, and the predecessor of pretty much every mainstream animation today. not the most exiting thing to watch these days, I posted this one instead of like STEAMBOAT WILLIE because gertie isn't very well known while pretty much everything from the Disney era is. you can check out Little Nemo, also by Winsor McCay (the animation starts a couple minutes in) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcSp2ej2S00&feature=related
Akira sXe SUBS NOT DUBS hXc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cGXL-6Jv1pw) seriously the english voices are unbearable.
Akira is often regarded as one of the greatest animated films. a popular verbal example of its animation is a scene where Tetsuo is sitting in front of a chain-link fence. the wind blows and every single link moves with it, reacting to the swirls of wind and opposing drafts realisticly. the amount of detail put into just the MOVEMENT of this film is astounding.
also, like the thief and the cobbler, it has a huge cult following. a lot of them are pretty dumb people (http://www.youtube.com/user/xainRM) who will scoff at Naruto and Halo but still enjoy some really dumb shit like idk waging wars against Naruto and Halo. these people claim it not only has incredible animation, but it also has the greatest story, characters, music, everything. that's definitely a stretch! it's still a pretty good film, but it is kinda lame at parts iirc and these days tetsuo isn't too SHOCKING towards the end.
man powerpuff girls was a really good show. i thought i was the only one who thought that. cartoon network has some great cartoons on it.
yeah man it was p good! I think kaworu liked it too and I believe he actually watched the whole series kinda recently
oh sap if you want these in the first post I can edit them to be better
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yeah, i'll add 'em in right now. thanks!
gertie the dinosaur was pretty awesome. i read about it and thought it was pretty amazing what they could do back then. he came like right after emile cohl iirc and was into making ART, and he got pissed off at the funny-cartoon animators who turned animation into a cheap business.
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How can you guys even tolerate powerpuff girls, what is so good about it?
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man it really sucks, my one professor last year gave us an overview of some classic animation, but I can't remember the names of any of them! a lot of them were really good. one was an interview of this animator, another was a betty boop where she walks around a real house and they have a camera on a rotating table, and another had a clown. that last one isn't very helpful because back in the day everyone animated clowns. if anyone knows what they are let me know!
Is the clown one Koko The Clown? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yEX7xEFKxc
Also Winsor McCay was the man, there's something called 'The Centaurs' on youtube that's the last remaining footage of a full movie he was working on. It's just a few disconnected scenes but it's pretty incredible in terms of realistic movement when you consider most other cartoon characters at the time moved like they were made of rubber. I think it was all handdrawn by McCay too. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6N3giozPbI I think the framerate in the video is slowed down though.
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My favorite animation is in Ren and Stimpy. I love how ridiculous and over-the-top the movements and expressions are in it, its great. Everything has character. It has this quality to it that is rarely found today I think!
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hey this isn't a good animations but did any other movie do the whole 2d characters, 3d world, that Titan AE did?
fun fact joss whedon made that piece of shit!
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The Marvelous Misadventures of Flapjack is pretty awesome, it's animation is pretty much inspired by like Rin and Stimpy(Like my fav cartoon) and the stories are always creative and have some unique and weird twist that makes everything pretty funny. I think it's one of the most recent cartoons worth watching actually! :)
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fun fact joss whedon made that piece of shit!
giving him credit for that is about the same as giving him credit for Toy Story, all he did for either was help with the screenplays
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uh pretty sure he cowrote Titan AE which is significantly more than "help[ing]".
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by helping i mean him and other people are credited as writing the screenplay
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uh idk, i'm trying to think of good WESTERN THINGS. all that is immediately coming to mind is aeon flux which i always thought looked pretty cool. fff yeah man i dunno, i'm drawing a blank. maybe i'll have something later. i know i've seen some really impressive american animation that isn't necessarily cartoon network/nickelodeon stuff
Aeon Flux rocks, I want to see that again. It came on MTV2 for a short time and I watched it then, haven't seen it since.
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My favorite animation is in Ren and Stimpy. I love how ridiculous and over-the-top the movements and expressions are in it, its great. Everything has character. It has this quality to it that is rarely found today I think!
I have yet to see anything found today come close to matching the quality of Ren & Stimpy. (sure there's a bunch of stuff that takes lessons from that show, but they are all too primitive and just don't give off that same sense of quality and appeal) Of course you do have those over-budgeted "high framerate" peices of crap that litter the screen, but there's a lot more to good animation than that. (especially when you realise that Ren & Stimpy was made on a low budget, and can actually be concidered as "limited animation" in most repsects.)
Oh yeah, and if you are looking up good western stuff. Look up Triplets of Belleville. I think it's European (it looks european), but at least that makes it more "western" than Akira.
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Of course you do have those over-budgeted "high framerate" peices of crap that litter the screen, but there's a lot more to good animation than that.
you keep saying this but then never elaborate on what that "a lot more" is
also the Triplets of Belleville is french i think. didn't it win some oscars or something?
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If people cared about what made animations good, then people would be making better animations. I wish it was that easy to elaborate on, that way you could put it into a single post and then point anyone who ever disagreed about an animation towards it, and thus have a concrete basis for proving how "good" or how "bad" a particular animation is. You want me to tell you "What makes a good animation.", when it's something I want to find out myself, and I would love to give a full answer to that question one day. If for no other reason, than to prove that question has an answer to begin with.
The problem I have with animation today, is that people don't talk more about what it is that's present in an animation that universally regards it as "good". Over the past century, we've had people dedicate their whole careers into persuing and working towards understanding this question, and what thanks do they get for it? Their entire legacy is left in the dust as a new generation of writers and executives jump from shoddy idea to shoddy idea trying to grab the market's attention, while knowing nothing of the art form that they are utilizing. There is no force left to provide any motivation or inspiration towards pushing animation to do the things animation does best. All you need are a few flashy ideas and an executive too stupid to know taste in order to bankroll it and suddenly you are "in the biz".
These new cartoons people like to rave about as being more creative, cartoony, or whatever (usually citing how similar it is to Ren & Stimpy in order to back their point up), are only scratching at the surface of all the great things we knew about cartoons 50 years ago! Their best attempts at primitive imitations don't even come close to the quality and masterwork of previous generations, while STILL reeking of the stench produced by a writer dominated industry.
I'm still going to answer your question, but in a completely insubstantial way.
It all comes down to taste. I'd love to elaborate on what good taste is, but it'd be impossible to reach a consensus. All I'm going to say is that liking something signifies absolutley nothing about how good it actually is unless you understand why. And you'll never be able to prove you are right unless you can make something just as enjoyable.
I do have an example to back this up though. People like anime (and yes, I'm going there). Not only that, but people REALLY like anime. Other people see people liking anime, and then in turn they try to make anime. They are going to find as many things that make a show anime, and then attempt to put as many of those things in their show so it will be liked. The result? We get a bunch of shows that are anime, but people don't like them! Even people who love anime will shun these shows and look up as many excuses to define them as "not anime", even though they have no idea what "anime" even means themselves.
The point is that if they looked beyond the question of "What is anime", and to instead "Why do people like anime?", then they'd be much more likely to make a show that people actually like rather than a show that is just anime. People are only interested in "what people like" rather than "why people like" and because of it 99% of the stuff out there is stale and derivative.
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Aeon Flux rocks, I want to see that again. It came on MTV2 for a short time and I watched it then, haven't seen it since.
my brother bought the entire series on a single vhs. it is just SITTING IN MY CLOSET idk if it still works. most were shorts but there were 2 or 3 full-length stories that were pretty cool too.
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that came out as "i don't know" so what in a technical stance is better animation than a high framerate
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you already know he has no idea what he's talking about. it really isn't too difficult to think of things that are important in animation besides framerate but lol
also yeah, aeon flux was really cool. I believe it was normal MTV programming at one point but I was too young to appreciate it.
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LIQUID TELEVISION seemed pretty cool in retrospect. it had that one with teens with giant heads and aliens that i thought was pretty cool, and the maxx, which to this day is one of my favorite american cartoons!!
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it really isn't too difficult to think of things that are important in animation besides framerate but lol
well if you consider things like NOT CUTTING CORNERS a trait then yea but besides actual effort there isnt much!
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LIQUID TELEVISION seemed pretty cool in retrospect. it had that one with teens with giant heads and aliens that i thought was pretty cool, and the maxx, which to this day is one of my favorite american cartoons!!
I never heard of that stuff! it does sound cool from the wikipedia entry, I should see if I can watch it online
nope only found aeon flux on hulu.
well if you consider things like NOT CUTTING CORNERS a trait then yea but besides actual effort there isnt much!
don't feel like spelling it out atm but that's kinda like judging an album by its production.
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don't feel like spelling it out atm but that's kinda like judging an album by its production.
well its more like saying "____ is good because they try," which applies to basically every medium. what i'm trying to get at is framerate is one of the only quantifiable aspects of a good animation.
also he was saying earlier how pixar etc aren't "good" even though they have high framerates, but i'm pretty sure wall-e and the like were astoundingly animated (despite the quality of the actual movie)
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no man, I can't tell if you're being really dumb or you're just not making any sense to me. pixar? that's CGI animation, that's a whole different subject
this is really BREAKING IT DOWN btw but I guess that's what you want?? judging if something is WELL-ANIMATED takes into consideration shit like fluidity, eg if the movement flows realistically. it also takes into consideration the complexity and detail of the animation (THIS IS A BIG ONE), like idk giving movement to the weight and folds of clothes on a person's body, or animating the contraction and respective release of every muscle as a baseball player swings a bat. that's just s ome basic technical shit you probably could have picked up on just from us talking about it in this thread, then there's also like animating perspective and first-person movement etc.
there's a lot more to animation than FRAME RATE, especially with the technology we have today! have you ever seen a flash animation man.
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heres another great animation I found guys, the frame rate is fuckin unbelievable! well it's a black dot moving horizontally through white space,
I really have no idea what you're talking about
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sorry guys, i am confusing LIQUID TELEVISION with the oddities. they are like four years apart too so i guess my memory sucks. liquid television had aeon flux and other shorts but oddities had the head and the maxx. both were p cool when i was 12 or 13!
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the pixar stuff was gotten from this one:
Most people believe that the only thing that makes a superior animation superior is highframerate. (It's why they all like Pixar and Dreamworks so much.)
If that's all you are going to say, then I have no choice but to lump you in with that group.
but yea i grouped in fluidity etc with not cutting corners because thats basically the tweeners' jobs
what i was trying to say was if you have two animations with about the same artistic quality and effort then the only thing that makes one better than the other is the framerate.
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Well the problem with that analyses is that it doesn't take into account what it is about a higher framerate that makes it look better. It's like comparing paintings by counting the number of brushstrokes, or comparing software by counting the lines of code written.
It's what you express with each of those details that makes them important. It's the final result, what's communicated to the viewer that matters. And in that respect, the amount of brushstrokes you need, or the amount of frames in moving from one pose to the next is exactly whatever number you need to communicate the thing you are trying to communicate. Any less would do the idea injustice, and any more would be an effort wasted (effort you could be using to utilize and express even grander ideas and concepts).
More frames means you have that much more opportunity to express and detail exactly how something moves with much more precision and fluidity, but it's just as easy to blithely put every extra frame in a "middle" spot and effectively waste effort as your "higher framerate" expresses nothing of value to the animation.
Working from your example, lets say we have two animations that are completely identical. We have a team of complete unknowns put in charge of putting an extra frame in-between every frame of the original (we can assume they can draw well enough for the in-between frames to match the original frames they are in-betweening, but nothing else). In that scenario, it is impossible to tell if the animation with a "doubled framerate" is going to be better or worse than the one with the lower framerate. It could look fluid and vivid, but it could just as easily look mushy and ambiguous. The fact that the extra frames are there isn't what makes the animation "better". Each extra frame that's put in there adds quality to the work based solely on the thought and quality put into the frame itself.
If anything, the framerate can only define the amount of potential an animation has to be better. An animation established with a higher framerate has that much more opportunity to be better, but there is no definite sign that it will be better. (in fact, there are some *rare* situations that actually look better with the framerate cut down. Richard Williams covers an example of this in The Animators Survival Kit, using an sequence from The Thief and the Cobbler no less.)
Really my beef is just with Dreamworks (and for design/taste/management reasons more than anything else), but the whole computer thing is offputting because it does so much of the work in those details while leaving the true artists with only a limited array of control over how the thing is actually made (In the end, it's churned out frame by frame from a giant array of processors in some soulless rendering farm). They've made everything become so big and detailed that instead of simplifying the animator's workload, you have to split it up between several departments just to get an image from it (which usually results in each artist working on his tiny specific element in a vaccum with no knowledge of how the thing will look when put into a complete image. I shouldn't lump Pixar in because they are much better about this than Dreamworks when you compare their designs and workflows).
Although I love the stuff as well because I'm persuing computer science, so I can put control in my own hands at whatever level I like as long as I'm willing to work for it. (although I find drawing images in sequence a much simpler task to that end) It's just that people are paying way too much money for way too many frames and way too much detail that isn't actually being utilized because it's so easy to make a computer do all the hard monotonous parts. You don't even need a reason to draw every single strand of hair or unsightly pore, you can "set it" and let the computer labor for hours on end for an animation that almost always isn't even worth the effort. (case in point (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delgo_(film)))
Is it stupid for me to pity machines? Because I do.
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ok guys since we actually have a half decent thread in here for once I'm going to ask you to take this discussion somewhere else, like a new thread or WIKI ANSWERS or something. I can split the posts if you really want them, just don't clutter sap's thread with this junk anymore.
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Try checking out Kaiba and Kemonozume. They're both made by the guy behind Mind Game.
Kaiba's animation resembles something of a picture book. The series focuses a lot more in visuals than in story and dialog. Kemonozume's animation is a little strange. The characters sometimes resemble sketches and at times the animation can look a little choppy. It's still a pretty great series though.
You should also check Corto Maltese. It's an Italian comic book series that's been adapted into a movie and a TV series (both in French). I haven't seen the series myself, though I'm thinking about buying the DVDs. Here's the movie's trailer: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=bro-fCnQQ-4
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hey this isn't a good animations but did any other movie do the whole 2d characters, 3d world, that Titan AE did?
fun fact joss whedon made that piece of shit!
The only movie I've seen where it was apparent was Aachi and Ssipak. Unlike Titan AE, it was actually a fun movie and worked much more effectivley to blend the use of 3d graphics into the world to keep things consistent and immersive. (It's korean, so it'll remind you of anime a lot *but the good ones where everybody is funky looking and the movement is totally slick*, the 3d graphics are used in a couple of scenes to make those types of painted backgrounds move. I think they did the same thing in Anastasia, but unlike that movie this one is actually fun.)
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Yeah, I'm on vacation in some faraway place right now so I can't access internet very frequently. I want to add that animation isn't about making something realistic, as Richard Williams says. It's about making things believable, because you can make something completely unrealistic be very believable, and that's what animation should be about: twisting the truth, doing things you can't do in real life, but still making you think it's the truth. That's why we we even bother with animation.
Anyways, I've added a few suggestions up there, will add more. Some of them are my own, such as Biteycastle and Prelude to Eden. I also put up Cowboy Bebop there because I really enjoy its style and I will eventually add Mindgame and some of Ohlichris's suggestions. When I get back from break I'm going to find some screenshots and organize the list better. I just want to add some color so that it's more interesting and easier to see. If anyone has any screenshots or summaries to add, please contribute.
Also, over the years I've seen this extremely violent, sexual and pretty shocking Flash animation series called Akumi. Has anyone else seen this, and does anyone have any thoughts on it? It's a pretty controversial series but has some interesting things going on.
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The worst animation I can think of is The Princess and the Goblin...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sfKJ7-hfds :rolleyes: :blarg: