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Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on December 26, 2008, 11:13:53 pm
helloo

Aside from The Carter 3 and whatever that coldplay album was called what were your favorite albums of 2008!?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: FrostyPink on December 26, 2008, 11:17:50 pm
Cynic - Traced in Air
Protest The Hero - Fortress
Portishead - Third
Shugo Takumaru - Exit
Steve Wilson - Insurgentes
Burst - Lazarus Bird
The Fall of Troy - Phantom on the Horizon

No real order there... Anyone who likes prog/metal should deff check out all of them...
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 26, 2008, 11:40:27 pm
anyone who really puts the carter 3 even in a top ten of rap releases probably didn't listen to any hiphop.

the mixtape about nothing was better than that shit and it was about half as good as wale's first.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 27, 2008, 12:06:39 am
vivian girls
tv on the radio
m83
no age
portishead
fleetfoxes
walkmen
crystal castles
santogold
nick cave
crystal stilts
beach house


goddamn, I feel like a fucking pitchfork list, but 2008 was damn good.

there were probably more, I don't want to check it now though.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: GaZZwa on December 27, 2008, 12:21:50 am
I didn't get anywhere near as many new records this year as I did in 2007, so compiling a best of list is a little futile. I spent most of my time this year listening to The Beatles. Nonetheless...

tv on the radio - dear science
el guincho - alegranza!
dodos - visiter
why? - alopecia
deerhunter - microcastle/weird era cont.
no age - nouns
spiritualized - songs in a&e
four tet - ringer
animal collective - water curses ep
fleet foxes - fleet foxes
Title: Best of 08
Post by: YourHero on December 27, 2008, 12:27:28 am
you guys are alright!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: DS on December 27, 2008, 01:17:50 am
Like GaZZwa, I didn't get nearly as much new music this year as in 2007! Plus I didn't really get to play some albums as much as I probably should have because this year I have been pretty busy and aösp listened to about as much music on my mp3 player as on computer and I'm way too lazy to constantly switch music on it.

Anyway, it was a pretty good year but ultimately 2007 was a lot better in my opinion. Lots of good albums were released but my very favorites would probably include:

Opeth - Watershed
Steven Wilson - Insurgentes
Snowman - The Horse, The Rat And The Swan
Meshuggah - obZen
Nine Inch Nails - The Slip
Textures - Silhouettes
The Mars Volta - The Bedlam in Goliath
Cynic - Traced in Air
Anathallo - Canopy Glow
Portishead - Third
The Fall of Troy - Phantom on the Horizon
Ours - Mercy
Sadistik - The Balancing Act
The Mighty Underdogs - Droppin' Science Fiction
No-Man - Schoolyard Ghosts
Deerhunter - Microcastle
Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes (also Sun Giant EP which has their best song Mykonos)
Coldplay - Viva La Vida

But there were other good albums too. I liked new Gojira but it didn't live up to From Mars to Sirius. New Marillion is pretty good but it's too long and I can't really sit through it, although it's partly because I have kinda grown out of Marillion. New Kayo Dot was good too but I would be lying if I said it didn't ultimately disappoint me. Then there are some other artists with new releases I quite liked, like Pineapple Thief, Sun Kil Moon, Balmorhea, Cut/Copy, Earth, Elliott Brood, Paavoharju, Nomo, Portugal. the Man, Sigur Rós and probably more but none of that really stood out that much now that I think about it. I mean it's all good and I mean good because there are a lot of more albums I enjoyed but these are among the best ones. I can't be bothered to start thinking about every possible album though.

I still need to listen to some stuff like new TV on the Radio, Common Market and Burst.

By the way, as far as hip-hop goes, I can't really think of many good albums I heard this year but then again, I didn't really get that many albums anyway. I probably liked Sadistik and The Mighty Underdogs the most, new Atmosphere was pretty good too. I still haven't heard new Cyne. I also need to listen to Dan Le Sac vs. Scroobius Pip because a few friends say it's great although Pitchfork gave it 0.1 or something, but that at least intrigues me. Little Vic released a pretty promising record called Each Dawn I Die as well but I have only heard it once so I can't really say anything about it yet. If I missed some good releases I could like (anything like Dälek, Sage Francis, K'naan, Deltron 3030, DJ Shadow, RJD2, El-P, Aesop Rock, Cunninlynguists, Blackalicious blah blah), go ahead and recommend them to me.

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why? - alopecia
Dicko recommended this album to me and while it's pretty good, I just can't seem to really get into it. I'll give it another try.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 27, 2008, 03:29:51 am
I didn't even think of a single rap release DS listed. the best album was the Elzhi one. there was also Steinski, Subtle (ds check this out its more your kind of rap), Cadence Weapon (also this), Gaslamp Killer, Snoop Dogg, fucking SATELLITE HIGH (heh im a goon), Statik Selektah, Jake One, Nicolay and Kay, Rhymefest, Epik High, Re Up Gang had a mixtape, Ghostface, Nas, Onra, CRACKnuckles, and Time Machine. there were also good releases by Shad and Panacea that I think came out late 2007, and half the net's stanning for Black Milk so I'm sure he dropped an album I ain't heard. not all these are the best albums but I'd put most of them above Carter 3 yeah.

also I'm writing a best of 08 list for the mainsite.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 27, 2008, 03:31:13 am
what about NON-RAP, steel?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 27, 2008, 03:39:52 am
what about NON-RAP, steel?

i am so gay for this terrible gaslight anthem album. there was a new shearwater fuckin no one paid attention to, drive by truckers had a great release (ask WC he's a big ole fan), benga had a release if you're crazy. also blue sky black death but they hiphop I think, belong released an LP on their myspace, AW FUCK ME BUN B RELEASED IN 2008 can you tell I am going through 2008 labeled music on my foobar. pitchfork trying to make the bug the name in dubstep but that album was okay, david bryne and eno, forgot chamillionaire also had a mixtape that kind of sucked, OH FUCK ME EMC that was one of the best rap albums of the year! erykah badu, foals, fuck buttons, jamie lidell, mark kozelek (unlike ds i was thoroughly disappointed int he new marillion, and I don't think it was ME that was the problem), murder by death, mountain goats, portishead duh, santogold, sun kil moon, that weird thrice double album came out, TIM AND ERIC: AWESOME SONGS, oh fuck several nigeria specials came out too, casey dienel's white hinterland wasn't much but it was okay, I like her voice. frightened rabbit had a decent release gw would probably love, the rosebuds and the walkmen no shit, fucked up finally released an album like normal people, and thats it for music I have labeled in 2008 that I thought was good.

obviously details in later article!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 27, 2008, 04:23:53 am
I didn't get anywhere near as many new records this year as I did in 2007, so compiling a best of list is a little futile. I spent most of my time this year listening to The Beatles. Nonetheless...

tv on the radio - dear science
el guincho - alegranza!
dodos - visiter
why? - alopecia
deerhunter - microcastle/weird era cont.
no age - nouns
spiritualized - songs in a&e
four tet - ringer
animal collective - water curses ep
fleet foxes - fleet foxes


Since I'd pretty much repeat what G says, I'd highlight

deerhunter - microcastle/weird era cont.
el guincho - alegranza!
spiritualized - songs in a&e
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ATARI on December 27, 2008, 05:02:09 am
The best I felt from 2008 were

Opeth - Watershed
Nine Inch Nails - The Slip
The Mars Volta - Bedlam in Goliath
Steven Wilson - Insurgencies
Ours - Mercy (I could've sworn this was released in 2007)
Metallica - Death Magnetic
Portished - Third


To be honest, I didn't think that there was a lot from 2008 that impressed me for the most part.  there were definitely some excellent releases, but many of the releases that I was expecting to be released this year actually got pushed back until next year.  (eg: anathema, massive attack, dredg, whatever the hell mike patton was supposed to release), so I feel like a few of the gems that would've made this year fantastic were missed out on because of this.  also sorry dragonslayer, obZen was boring, and cynic's new album, while okay, was not really all that special in my opinion.  It's like listening to auto-tune over and over and its kind of annoying (but some of the tracks on the album are cool, don't get me wrong, but do note that I never really was into cynic in the first place, so this album didn't really do much to persuade me to listen to them more than I already do (which is only on occasion (integral birth is a++))).

of course the actual best album of the year was the new nickleback album actually i lied i don't even know what its called
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on December 27, 2008, 05:20:44 am
i didn't think the new clipse mixtape was that good huh like it was okkkkkay
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 27, 2008, 05:38:46 am
like I said not all of those were even good but I'd rather hear them than the Carter 3. that was such a dumb album.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on December 27, 2008, 06:07:25 am
GZA had a new album too. I remember bnecause it's the only hip hop album I listened to besides kanye, wayne, ghost, time machine, bun b, dr. dooom, nas
the cartier III blows


Grand prize goes to Portishead - Third!! congrats portishead.

**best rock n roll**
TV on the Radio - Dear science
reason: people say it's not as good as their previous works, particularly cookie mountain. I guess I'd agree. this one's poppier and less substantial but I still like it

Nick Cave & The Bad Seeds - Dig Lazarus, DIG!!!!!
reason: nic cave

also no age, cut copy, mgmt, hercules and love affair, these lists are gonna be boring.

best hip hop: I didn't love any I listened to. what was the best album help me out

MOST OVERRATED:
Fleet Foxes - Fleet Foxes I don't like fleet foxes!!! have you listened to their lyrics

Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on December 27, 2008, 06:54:23 am
Carter 3 wasn't even that bad, if it was released as a mixtape it would have been pretty good. but it is lil wayne so whaddaya expect, a coherent consistent album? lololol
Title: Best of 08
Post by: tomohawkjoe on December 27, 2008, 08:17:44 am
Man, I still haven't checked out the new ghostface yet. I also forgot to check out the new raein but fuck man.

Ceremony - Still Nothing Moves You
Envy/Thursday Split
Trap Them -Seizures In Barren Praise
Meshuggah - Obzen
Shai Hulud - Misanthropy Pure
Extortion - Sick
Loma Prieta - Last City
Protest The Hero - Fortress

The new textures, faceless, and beneath the massacre were all pretty good but I don't know if I'd consider them best of 08. Did time machine release something? All I have is slow your roll and I don't know when that was released
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on December 27, 2008, 08:33:58 am
new ghostface isnt really new persay, its more of a compilation album so dont get too excited until next year! ive only recently started listening to textures, they are pretty good.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: blood hell on December 27, 2008, 09:24:43 am
vampireweekend b*tches
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 27, 2008, 09:29:49 am
i should probably get back into new music, huh.  what is half this shit.  actually i know what it all is but i never bothered to listen.  im straight 70s/80s.  costello came out with a new album; hope it doesnt suck
Title: Best of 08
Post by: blood hell on December 27, 2008, 09:33:47 am
yeah honestly i dont know what it is but i hardly listened to any music from 08 at all! some one tell me what to get.no screamo or prog though
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 27, 2008, 09:39:10 am
i think the problem is there is too much fucking music.  pitchfork reviews like five albums daily, and they don't even cover all of indie rock, let alone HIP HOP.  you can filter it down to maybe 20-30 albums you liked a lot by the end of the year.  think about this; it is like 1% of music you hear.  i like older music because it is automatically run through the filter of TIME which weeds out the large majority of unexceptional bands in a lot of cases.  also because it was a different era/aesthetic and i don't know about you but after a few years i just got sick of INDIE ROCK like it is now.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: DS on December 27, 2008, 11:06:37 am
I didn't even think of a single rap release DS listed. the best album was the Elzhi one. there was also Steinski, Subtle (ds check this out its more your kind of rap), Cadence Weapon (also this), Gaslamp Killer, Snoop Dogg, fucking SATELLITE HIGH (heh im a goon), Statik Selektah, Jake One, Nicolay and Kay, Rhymefest, Epik High, Re Up Gang had a mixtape, Ghostface, Nas, Onra, CRACKnuckles, and Time Machine. there were also good releases by Shad and Panacea that I think came out late 2007, and half the net's stanning for Black Milk so I'm sure he dropped an album I ain't heard. not all these are the best albums but I'd put most of them above Carter 3 yeah.

also I'm writing a best of 08 list for the mainsite.
Thankkkkks. I haven't even heard most of that list. I have Yell & Ice by Subtle and it's pretty good so I'll check out that and Cadence Weapon. I have also seen you guys talking about Time Machine so I think I'll try that too, and I have been meaning to check out Ghostface for some time so I'll probably get that one too once I have heard the other ones.

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yeah honestly i dont know what it is but i hardly listened to any music from 08 at all! some one tell me what to get.no screamo or prog though
Not really sure what you listen to but you could try Snowman, Anathallo, Portishead, Deerhunter and Fleet Foxes.

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i think the problem is there is too much fucking music.
Yeah, way too much. I remember in 2006 and 2007 I would read a lot of random sites and music blogs and discover some cool sounding new albums. I'd get like 250-300 new albums in a year and while most of it is could even be pretty good or at least decent, most albums end up being really forgettable and I just never really get back to them. And even if you do this, there's still always some good shit you are going to miss. I realized this and decided to fuck it because seriously, there's just no point. Lately I have been getting more older bands and as far as new releases go, I pretty much download the albums I have been looking forward to and whatever my friends really recommend to me. Plus sometimes I'll get something which sounds good based on song previews or which sounds like I could really like it. I'm still constantly getting new music but not to the extent I used to.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: GaZZwa on December 27, 2008, 12:45:45 pm
Aye, looking over various 2007 best of lists is funny; there are just so many albums that I was either looking forward to and loved, or discovered and loved. It really was a phenomenal year in music for my ears. Not sure why I've become a bit more out of the loop this year (other than those damnable Beatles), but I'm kind of finding myself in need of getting some more stuff. Like, I've heard Third a few times but for some reason never bothered to get it.

Also hip hop: anyone hear Bake Sake by the Cool Kids?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Carrion Crow on December 27, 2008, 02:01:44 pm
I have been listening to Biffy Clyro from last year... all this year.... therefore they are the best of my 2008.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: jamie on December 27, 2008, 02:07:29 pm
i don't worry about looking out new music. i don't have the time or even the interest to sift through 20 bands a day to find one i like. at least, not every day. some days i go on a little spree and download a bunch of shit but that is not normal for me. usually i will decide to look into a certain style of music that sounds interesting and just download a couple of what i read at the big important albums of that and if i like those then i'll look into whatever musicians they are further. if i don't, fuck it! don't care!

and yeah i listen to mostly older music, too. not necessarily generations ago, although some of it is, but even stuff from like 10 years ago which is still talked about. 5 years ago, maybe. i very rarely look up albums that are yet to be released or are just about to be. i just wait and see.

also, some of the stuff mentioned around here.

soooo - i dunno if i even listened to a single album that was released in 2008. i probably did, but i don't check dates anyway so i wouldn't know.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 27, 2008, 04:26:10 pm
vampireweekend b*tches

no, really, what's great about this band? it is another NME band.


To be honest, I heard too little 2008 stuff.
And yes, 2007 RULED.
2007 was an enormous year for music. I think just mentioning Kala, Person Pitch and Strawberry Jam is more than enough. Brilliant records. Fantastic shit.

now, I'm in debt with 2008. Wasn't paying much attention.
I think MGMT's is pretty good, their better songs are fantastic and Time to Pretend could have anthem status.

El Guincho is fantastic for those who love tropicalia stuff and for those who want Panda Bear variations.

Deerhunter was a revelation to me. I had their first album, Turn it up, Faggot which is not so good, so I wasn't keen on the band. I decided to get the double album and bam, this is brilliant.
In fact, I think this is the best release of the year.
But then, I havent heard enough 2008, which is something I'll be working on in this long summer holidays.

And TV on the Radio, isn't so good as thier first album. Yeah I prefer that one to Cookie Mountain and Dear Science. And this year's record is not awesome.

but it is hard to be listening to all this new music, specially when you are so busy busy busy with all your uni life, working, studying, hanging out and nightlife. Holidays are the best way to catch up.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 27, 2008, 04:30:54 pm
dont even get me started on the fucking Cool Kids.

also its not too hard to keep up with new music when you know where to look. the best albums I heard this year weren't from 08 though. 08 was terrible for everything imho.

oh hey does anyone know why I know Bon Iver's Skinny Love? was it in a commercial or something? I heard the song and knew it instantly.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Bonehead on December 27, 2008, 04:48:22 pm
Mmm.. Other then metal, none of my other favourite bands have realeased stuff this year
so yeah. I  might have missed something since my memory's not that good >_>

Top Five:
1. The Haunted - Versus (swedish thrash/death at its peak)
2. Anna Thernheim - Leaving on a Mayday (great mood music)
3. Metallica - Death Magnetic (yeah it's ripped, but still great)
4. Opeth - Watershed (more mood music.. a bit heavier than the above)
5. Cradle of Filth - Godspeed on the Devil's Thunder (didn't like it so much, but had to add a numba 5)

Oh yeah.. I think The Zutons released some album this year too. It was ok too.

I haven't listened to the above that much though since I'm more of a old music dude.

Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 27, 2008, 06:14:30 pm
also its not too hard to keep up with new music when you know where to look.
that's not the hard part. the hard part is having time for this. And interest to look up for stuff.
at least for me
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 27, 2008, 06:58:09 pm
eh, consider it this way. most albums are an hour long. assume that one good album comes out a week. that's only about 60 hours of a whole year. I think you can make the time.

granted sometimes you'll get bad recommendations but if something bores me I stop listening to it at about song 4 or 5. if you're playing catchup with older music like panda said though yeah it's a time investment, but I think eventually you hit all the CLASSICS and you wait for a catamites to come along and mention something obscure from the past and then you get that and you're still not using up too much time.

obviously though I listen to enough music to have developed a SYSTEM for this, however unconscious. basically I don't think it's a time investment so much as a time restructuring.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Beasley on December 27, 2008, 06:58:56 pm
kanye west - 808s and heartbreak
nickelback - darkhourse

and

opeth - watershed

p. good year.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 27, 2008, 07:00:03 pm
which part of that was a joke
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Beasley on December 27, 2008, 07:01:32 pm
man i consider myself a hip hop guy and steel pretty much blew me out of the water with that list. i have a lot of torrenting to do when i get home from work....
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Beasley on December 27, 2008, 07:01:58 pm
which part of that was a joke

every single word.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dom on December 27, 2008, 07:19:09 pm
did kanye west really release something called 808s and heartbreak
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Beasley on December 27, 2008, 07:25:08 pm
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/dd/808nheartbreakcover.jpeg)
yes. and it was pretty bad.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 27, 2008, 07:41:46 pm
its an autotune album made of just 808 beats all about how kanye is rich but lonely.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 27, 2008, 07:56:04 pm
also its not too hard to keep up with new music when you know where to look.

pretty much this. you can survive on the internet and blogs alone and still not put in much effort and find a lot of good new music. i guess living in a city with that kind of subculture also helps, because there are like 3 newspapers and 1 free magazine that are really popular and all about indie and new music here so i guess that's pretty useful too.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 27, 2008, 08:12:39 pm
vivian girls
tv on the radio
m83
no age
portishead
fleetfoxes
walkmen
crystal castles
santogold
nick cave
crystal stilts
beach house


goddamn, I feel like a fucking pitchfork list, but 2008 was damn good.

there were probably more, I don't want to check it now though.
damn good.  DAMN good year. *reads indie magazine*
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 27, 2008, 08:17:08 pm
heh, you'd probably like quite a few of those.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 27, 2008, 08:17:57 pm
no he wouldn't.

trust me on this.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 27, 2008, 08:26:29 pm
really? i'd think he'd probably like vivian girls, walkmen, nick cave, portishead, and maybe crystal stilts. i don't see why not anyway, after seeing some of his fave music from a while back

edit: not to mention i forgot to mention quite a few, so gazzwa's too
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Kaworu on December 27, 2008, 08:34:11 pm
What's all the fuss about fleetfoxes? I see them on all the music blogs being raved as geniuses and whatnot, but I don't catch it myself.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 27, 2008, 08:44:26 pm
whos this.........portishead you speak of??

i said i didnt follow this year in music not this decade!!  i like nick cave/walkmen/portishead but who doesnt.  most of the rest of the list i felt was very mediocre/forgettable though.  vivian girls i actually thought were pretty bad.  i think this is the problem with zeroing in/keeping up with new music.  realistically there are very few GOOD RELEASES every year from such a narrow section of music and if you do not zoom out then things are only good in relative terms.  visitor is on gazzwa's list but 80% of visitor is completely unexceptional, yet it is still probably one of the best albums to come out this year.  this is what happens when you limit yourself to 2008/NEW STUFF; you end up listening to forgettable stuff because it is the best compared to whatever other junk came out that year.  altho i do not know if you actually do this but i would hope not.

i just do not see the point in downloading/listening to music that you find SIMPLY OKAY and that is what almost everything you listen to will be if it is all from THIS YEAR or this century even.  i see people's ipods and it is ALL NEW INDIE SHIT and it's all completely average because all they let themselves choose from are NEW RELEASES and i do not know how they do it.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on December 27, 2008, 08:51:37 pm
I thought you would like vivian girls I wasn't being mean (based off Marine Girls). also you liked vampire weekend didn't you? I don't think fp was 100% off base

also I listen to the new shit but I continue to find great old stuff too. I probably just listen to more music than you (still less than a lot of people) and pidge listens to fucking TONS more than me and everyone else here


yeah Octave Doctor, I want someone here to explain why it's on their top 10!! actually I liked their EP as relaxing and falling asleep music but now it's annoying
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 27, 2008, 08:54:46 pm
based on your musical taste i don't see how you think vivian girls are terrible but w/e.
Also, you are going on a tirade about new releases but guess what!!! this is a best 08 topic, not music in general!!! obviously i would include other shit that's good , i don't EXCLUSIVELY listen to music made post-2000, that's just silly. i too like sonic youth, joy division, post-punk bands, etc etc. but it's also good to listen to OTHER STUFF, you know? i try to maintain fairly open-minded to music, so i listen to folky shit, dance, punk, post-rock, whatever. i think it's pretty unfair to just shun out INDIE(-rock) which is a really broad genre and where there really are good artists amongst the 4957645 similar-sounding ones.
no one here is limiting themselves to 2008/NEW STUFF. that's just the topic's purpose.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 27, 2008, 08:55:37 pm
come on man most people can use that excuse of "it's just best of this year" but you specifically said 08 was ONE HELL OF A YEAR. he's saying it wasn't!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: tuxedo marx on December 27, 2008, 08:56:09 pm
its an autotune album made of just 808 beats all about how kanye is rich but lonely.
read: he has no friends because he's a prick
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 27, 2008, 09:02:51 pm
come on man most people can use that excuse of "it's just best of this year" but you specifically said 08 was ONE HELL OF A YEAR. he's saying it wasn't!

i guess that's true. sorry, but for me it was pretty good! i guess i just have a SHITTASTE  :fogetshrug:
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Kaworu on December 27, 2008, 09:04:51 pm
I was gunna mention a few albums but then I realised that they're 2007
Actually
Daevid Allen and the glissando orchestra: The seven Drones
Is pretty cool if you like ambiant drone music. Each track is based around variations of one note, which is played mainly by gliss guitar and synth. It's really chill, and kinda the opposite effect to Basinski's drones.

and AMT did some cool shit but nothing to stand out from previous albums :/
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 27, 2008, 09:06:09 pm
I thought you would like vivian girls I wasn't being mean (based off Marine Girls). also you liked vampire weekend didn't you? I don't think fp was 100% off base

also I listen to the new shit but I continue to find great old stuff too. I probably just listen to more music than you (still less than a lot of people) and pidge listens to fucking TONS more than me and everyone else here


yeah Octave Doctor, I want someone here to explain why it's on their top 10!! actually I liked their EP as relaxing and falling asleep music but now it's annoying
wait, how are vivian girls similar to marine girls at all beyond the world GIRLS being in both bands.  my problem with one is my problem with both tho; the entire cd sounds almost like it is the same song, except where in mg's case i thought they had some pretty decent/catchy riffs and more importantly, good vocals, vg's songwriting is amateurish imo and comes off as very JAMBAND and their vocals are just practically not there.  idk it could be a good band if they were better at writing songs and had actual vocals.  also i kinda like vampire weekend but i do not listen to them ever.  i just like that someone integrated AFROSHIT into their music and it sets it apart from the rest of indie pop but it is very brainless and saccharine so i rarely listen.

also why do you say you listen to more music than me?  maybe you do i would not know but i am curious about how you came to this conclusion
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 27, 2008, 09:10:19 pm
ps. does everyone here have a last.fm? i may have asked this before, but i'm kinda curious to see
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 27, 2008, 09:15:22 pm
i guess that's true. sorry, but for me it was pretty good! i guess i just have a SHITTASTE  :fogetshrug:

I feel like being a dick and burnin you and pointing out I felt like I saw your list before. here is where every single band fell on pitchfork's list:

vivian girls-16
tv on the radio-6
m83-8
no age-3
portishead-2
fleetfoxes-1
walkmen-19
crystal castles-15
santogold-22
nick cave-32
crystal stilts-49
beach house-46

not one wasn't on it, and 8 of the 12 you listed were in the top 20! I know you said FEEL PFORKY but damn son.

ya new name? rockist as fuck. peace droogs...

ps heres last fms hilarious best of 08 list: http://www.last.fm/bestof/2008
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 27, 2008, 09:19:10 pm
actually that's exactly what i did. i didn't feel like going through my itunes and handpicking the artists 1-by-1 so i just went to pitchfork's list and picked out what i liked since it was conveniantly all there. that's why i missed some shit.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Kaworu on December 27, 2008, 09:21:51 pm
FlowerPower, everyone here has a LastFM. There was like a trend two/three years back where everyone had their mp3 scrobbles in their sigs so everyone got it then.
I'm kinda embarassed Pink Floyd are in my top 10, even if Piper at the gates of dawn is such an awesome album.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on December 27, 2008, 09:35:28 pm
wait, how are vivian girls similar to marine girls at all beyond the world GIRLS being in both bands.  my problem with one is my problem with both tho; the entire cd sounds almost like it is the same song, except where in mg's case i thought they had some pretty decent/catchy riffs and more importantly, good vocals, vg's songwriting is amateurish imo and comes off as very JAMBAND and their vocals are just practically not there.  idk it could be a good band if they were better at writing songs and had actual vocals.  also i kinda like vampire weekend but i do not listen to them ever.  i just like that someone integrated AFROSHIT into their music and it sets it apart from the rest of indie pop but it is very brainless and saccharine so i rarely listen.

also why do you say you listen to more music than me?  maybe you do i would not know but i am curious about how you came to this conclusion
because you said you don't have the desire to listen to new shit when there's much better stuff our there to listen to. I said that I, like you, still try to find GREAT OLD SHIT but I look into new releases as well, so I probably listen to more previously unheard music than you. for this same reason you probably found more obscure shit since about 80% of the new albums I listened to this year pitchfork picked up on too.

I guess it's because both vivian and marine have passive music with some punk rock influence. but I barely listened to marine girls, so I'm not saying they're incredibly similar or anything. they just both gave the same feeling of 'stuff I find boring but headphonics might like'
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 27, 2008, 09:46:52 pm
oh.  yeah i dunno, there's a huge backlog of shit out there that is old!  this is another reason i did not get around to listening to much new shit this year; i never felt like i was RUNNING OUT of music from the 60s/70s/80s.  it's ludicrous; there's so much of it.  in a way this is kinda bad because it means i spend all my MUSIC time looking into this shit and have no time to really check into anything post-2000 which is why you know, i will take forever to realize tv on the radio are exceptional.

i would not say that my essentially ignoring new music means i listen to less tho because yea, there's a lot of old music!  i could hunt for things pre-1990 all day every day and still not put a dent in it.  it helps that i care about more than rock i guess.  having an interest in blues/jazz adds an insane amount of things that are old that i should listen to.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ATARI on December 27, 2008, 09:59:10 pm
FlowerPower, everyone here has a LastFM. There was like a trend two/three years back where everyone had their mp3 scrobbles in their sigs so everyone got it then.
I'm kinda embarassed Pink Floyd are in my top 10, even if Piper at the gates of dawn is such an awesome album.
this only happened because you retagged all your linkin park songs LOL
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Kaworu on December 27, 2008, 10:04:17 pm
pfft I'm not my brother.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ATARI on December 27, 2008, 11:03:31 pm
i apologize
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 27, 2008, 11:10:05 pm
I feel like being a dick and burnin you and pointing out I felt like I saw your list before. here is where every single band fell on pitchfork's list:

vivian girls-16
tv on the radio-6
m83-8
no age-3
portishead-2
fleetfoxes-1
walkmen-19
crystal castles-15
santogold-22
nick cave-32
crystal stilts-49
beach house-46

not one wasn't on it, and 8 of the 12 you listed were in the top 20! I know you said FEEL PFORKY but damn son.

the-there's... som-something wrong with th-that?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 27, 2008, 11:11:25 pm
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i try to maintain fairly open-minded to music

if you're only listing pfork stuff not sure how valid an open minded claim is.

edit: this may come as a huge shock but there are vast swaths and entire genres of music pitchfork only cursorily mentions and usually ignores. hell even NON WHITE GUY MADE music is usually absent.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 27, 2008, 11:15:40 pm
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/open_minded_music_lover
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ATARI on December 27, 2008, 11:19:13 pm
the claim is false: he hates rap metal
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 28, 2008, 12:21:01 am
brighter than creation's dark: 8.2
alegranza: 8.3
#50, Ice Cream Spiritual, 8.4
#49, alight of night: 8.1
#48, high places: 8.0
#29, stay positive, 8.4
#13, new amerykah, 7.8

why no guincho or dbt, despite having higher individual ratings than new amerykah at #13? why not give them places at #49 or 48, both of which are lower rated than both guincho or dbt? why is new amerykah even on the list? how come the list doesn't even link the full reviews? (http://www.pitchforkmedia.com/article/feature/148001-the-50-best-albums-of-2008) is it because people will notice dear science recieved a 9.2 and the sungiant ep only recieved an 8.7 despite being THE BEST ALBUM OF 2008?

obviously, these were individual reviewers, and unlike so many internet nerds I don't think the one reviewer determines the entire staff opinion.

I do think however, placing a band in the best new music section, does indicate some consensus. and both DBT and El Guincho recieved that honor. the shit keeps piling up; #40, the esau album, appears on only six staffers lists. so does drive by truckers; both were best new music. so an album chosen by six staffers gets to be #40; another album doesn't even appear. #50, the pony tail album that scored above dbt, appears twice. el guincho appears three times.

what metrics are at use here? it's not the staff list by any normal numbering metric: if we apply point values of the 25th place as 1 point, 24 as 2, etc, ponytail has a total of 30 points, and dbt, which is on two staffers #2 and #1 (ponytail tops off at #3 on one list), has 76 points.

so DBT is on more staffers lists. it has more value on each list. ponytail even being #3 on one list is beaten by DBT being #2 and #1.

but no DBT. it's nowhere. it's not even on their honorable mentions list.

the carter 3 and kanye's album are on almost every list. other than flying lotus's instrumental album, I didn't see any individual staffer list another hiphop album.

so yes shep, there is something NOT GOOD when your list consists entirely of pitchfork's best of 08 list or when you're using them as a reminder, because you aren't even remembering what pitchfork thought was the best albums of 08, let alone what you thought. the best of list isn't the best music; it's the best music they know pitchfork's audience will appreciate. there are dumb attempts of genre crossing with the bug and carter iii but it's obvious pitchfork views these like mysterious cultural artifacts to be presented to a hipster idol wearing a keffiyeh; they know they won't get criticized for putting carter iii up so high because they shaped their audience into thinking lil wayne's stuttering second grade snaps are some type of futuristic hiphop.

obviously it's a shit list. all lists are shit. but saying

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the-there's... som-something wrong with th-that?

in regards to a list that doesn't even reflect the staff's own opinions? that's even more bullshit.

also unless you're going to say I WAS BEING SARCASTIC :rolleyes: (don't care, I've always wanted to check the metrics behind pitchfork's dumb list and now I had an excuse) please don't argue this for everyone's sake!!!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 28, 2008, 12:22:05 am
seriously though did not expect the rabbit hole to be so bad. I had no idea that many staffers had listed DBT, two in their fucking top two albums, but they were just UNWILLING to put it even as an honorable mention. it was like scraping off a layer of dirt and uncovering horseshit.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 28, 2008, 12:42:53 am
sweet stuff there pointing pitchforkmedia's faulty list, and their strategy to appeal an audience.
But to me you went off on a tangent.
My aim is on the wrongness of making a list that happens to be strongly pitchfork influenced.

You already made your point with the openminded quote. That's valid man.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 28, 2008, 12:46:24 am
it didn't "happen" to be, he admitted he looked at the pitchfork list to jog his memory (fyi this is worse than just having pitchfork tastes as it implies you could not think of ten new albums off the top of your head that you enjoyed!) and my point is this is a bad thing to use. the list is not just limited in genre but also not even an accurate summation of the year.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Wash Cycle on December 28, 2008, 03:44:33 am
I spent a lot of this year getting into styles of music that dont necessarily have a bunch of albums coming out right now

but at the same time I guess there was somewhere between 5 and 10 albums that I really enjoyed this year so whatever. I wrote some shit for the end of the year article, my list'll be there.

Title: Best of 08
Post by: Bonehead on December 28, 2008, 04:25:07 am
Man I just listened to most songs Flower Power posted and.. well you should really
come to my hometown cause it's full of that kind of music here. Not my kind of balls
though, but yeah.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: DS on December 28, 2008, 12:15:26 pm
no, really, what's great about this band? it is another NME band.


To be honest, I heard too little 2008 stuff.
And yes, 2007 RULED.
2007 was an enormous year for music. I think just mentioning Kala, Person Pitch and Strawberry Jam is more than enough. Brilliant records. Fantastic shit.
Idk if you know this yet but Animal Collective's new album leaked a few days ago.

And yeah 2007 is pretty much my favorite year in music.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 28, 2008, 01:57:06 pm
mine's '77 heh heh heh :cool:
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Moriason on December 28, 2008, 03:06:34 pm
Death Magnetic has to take it for me, largely because I had essentially COMPLETELY wrote Metallica off and the album kicked me right in the balls repeatedly.

Can't wait for '09 now, lots of good stuff coming out that I like. Queens of the Stone Age, baby!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 28, 2008, 04:55:00 pm
Idk if you know this yet but Animal Collective's new album leaked a few days ago.

And yeah 2007 is pretty much my favorite year in music.
yeah MPP has been leaked the 25th. Not getting it till a couple days after Jan 12th (its release date).
But yeah, seems like it will be one of the best albums if not the best of 2009.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dom on December 28, 2008, 06:15:55 pm
how do you put the new M83 in a best of list of anything but huge letdowns? even standing on its own its a hugely boring album

ALSO how come i never even heard of fleet foxes until a couple of days ago when everyone is suddenly talking about them. are they the new black kids?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 28, 2008, 06:19:37 pm
people have been talking about them nonstop for a while, i think.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: GaZZwa on December 28, 2008, 06:23:03 pm
Though not 2008 albums, this year saw the release of Matador's reissue of the first 3 Mission of Burma records (Signals Calls and Marches, Vs., and The Horrible Truth About Burma) as well as their superspecialdeluxenicenecreeders edition of Brighten the Corners by Pavement, all of which were suitably excellent.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: bort on December 28, 2008, 06:30:04 pm
i dont think i listened to much new music this year but i loved om's "gebel barkal" although it is just single + remix
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 28, 2008, 08:39:24 pm
if you're only listing pfork stuff not sure how valid an open minded claim is.

edit: this may come as a huge shock but there are vast swaths and entire genres of music pitchfork only cursorily mentions and usually ignores. hell even NON WHITE GUY MADE music is usually absent.

first of all i'm not only listening to pfork and i try to maintain open-minded upon what i come across @_@@.  FOR EXAMPLE i listened to fucking מתן ממן which is an israeli dude who does MONGOLIAN THROAT SINGING or some shit and although i didn't particularily LOVE IT i still thought it was cool and unique and something that's possible to listen to once in a while.  a lot of the shit i listen to got horrible reviews on pfork and guess what, i still listen to them!!

i'm not one of those I LUV ALL MUSIC EXCEPT COUNTRY AND RAP. i listened to your hip-hop mixtape and i liked it. i really don't know how to justify OPEN-MINDED to you?? unless i list all my OBSCURE WEIRD ARTISTS and only then may i get Steel's Stamp of Approval.

ps. yeah it was dumb how pfork didn't have drive by truckers on their list. also, i don't see what's so evil about pulling up a pitchfork list of 2008 albums?? okay so i like a lot of the stuff they like, is that really such a crime? and to use it to refresh my memory, i don't see how that's so awful, either. seeing as how i liked a majority of their picks and its ALL CONVENIENTLY there (i don't know any sites that list all 2008 albums) it was the quicket resource. sorry.

does animal collective's album count as a 2008 record or 2009? it's pretty awesome.

alsoalso i don't know what you're talking about dom, i thought m83's new album, though not as good as the others, was still great!

the claim is false: he hates rap metal

heh i listen to rage against the machine  :fogetcool:
Title: Best of 08
Post by: DS on December 28, 2008, 08:45:52 pm
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ALSO how come i never even heard of fleet foxes until a couple of days ago when everyone is suddenly talking about them. are they the new black kids?
People have been talking about them non-stop since Spring or Summer or whenever their s/t was released or leaked.

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does animal collective's album count as a 2008 record or 2009? it's pretty awesome.
2009.

New Dälek leaked some time ago as well but it's a 2009 release, otherwise it'd easily be the best hip-hop album released this year imo.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 28, 2008, 09:23:21 pm
Heard Fleet Foxes... what's so special about them?
It leans towards easy listening to me..


I'll put it together with Vampire Weekend in the category "I don't understand the hype on this band other than the hype for hyping a 2008 release"
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Kaworu on December 28, 2008, 10:29:33 pm
I listened to a hip-hop album and liked it, see I am open minded.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 28, 2008, 10:57:40 pm
being open minded has more to do with being readily available to listen to any kind of music more than actually liking music outside your safe genre.

Liking a broad array of genres, that's having a wide taste.


edit: don't need you saracism ok
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 28, 2008, 11:17:47 pm
FOR EXAMPLE i listened to fucking מתן ממן which is an israeli dude who does MONGOLIAN THROAT SINGING or some shit and although i didn't particularily LOVE IT i still thought it was cool and unique and something that's possible to listen to once in a while.

why does everyone do this. its like when indie kids listen to mastodon and like metal. it's always a specific supposedly obtuse example.

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also, i don't see what's so evil about pulling up a pitchfork list of 2008 albums?? okay so i like a lot of the stuff they like, is that really such a crime? and to use it to refresh my memory, i don't see how that's so awful, either. seeing as how i liked a majority of their picks and its ALL CONVENIENTLY there (i don't know any sites that list all 2008 albums) it was the quicket resource. sorry.

you're the one saying "evil" and "crime". I said it's "bad", don't pin it on me as though I said it was anything worse or even implied it. and it is bad! pitchfork is both hilariously genre limited and as I pretty succesfully demonstrated isn't even being fair to their own reviewers or audience.

I also don't know if you're being serious that you don't know any other sites that list the 2008 albums. I mean, someone mentioned Rolling Stone in here, right?

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/24958695/albums_of_the_year/31
http://www.metacritic.com/music/bests/2008.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:2008_albums
http://blog.allmusic.com/2008/12/05/allmusics-favorite-albums-of-2008/

I linked the last.fm one earlier and mentioned the AV Club as well.

none of those are perfect (one puts Mellencamp in the top 10) but don't even play like this man, you're ignoring the more damning point; you went to Pitchfork first to remind yourself of what YOUR favorite albums were. you didn't look in your own library for this, you went STRAIGHT TO PFORK. what the hell man? why would you ever do this? how can you say "2008 was a great year for music" and need a reminder to what came out? that doesn't make any sense at all. do you expect anyone to believe this:

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a lot of the shit i listen to got horrible reviews on pfork and guess what, i still listen to them!!

i'm not one of those I LUV ALL MUSIC EXCEPT COUNTRY AND RAP. i listened to your hip-hop mixtape and i liked it. i really don't know how to justify OPEN-MINDED to you?? unless i list all my OBSCURE WEIRD ARTISTS and only then may i get Steel's Stamp of Approval.

when you couldn't remember a single artist that wasn't on Pitchfork's list? no one's asking for obscure, but there's a reason people keep saying "listened to the stuff in FP's list, man it's just the same indie shit we've been hearing for years", and it's not because they want my Stamp of Approval (if anything I'd get the feeling a GW member would take great glee in spearing me on some obscure musical point as I am probably the biggest nerd on this forum). it's because it is kind of boring and you ain't fooling anyone by claiming openmindedness.

being open minded has more to do with being readily available to listen to any kind of music more than actually liking music outside your safe genre.

Liking a broad array of genres, that's having a wide taste.

this is true and a good distinction but I also would find it suspect if someone said they were openminded and then proceeded to list like 12 albums all clearly designed for one type of person. even pfork threw some dumb DJ/rupture or something no one heard of so they didn't get this claim. the validity of an open mind is that you can also close it to awful concepts, but I find it hard to believe someone with an open mind would only have a single genre, or hell TYPE OF SOUND of music in their list.
And yeah 2007 is pretty much my favorite year in music.

is this a fake post.

I mean maybe I'm being dumb but as panda said look at 1977 dude there's no way Person Pitch or Sound of Silver can compete with Low or Exodus.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: DS on December 28, 2008, 11:21:07 pm
No it wasn't a fake post! I mean it's kind of silly and I don't really keep track of what is released and when but some of my favorite albums ever were released in 2007 and it seriously had like over 20-30 albums I really like so it was just a really amazing year for me.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 28, 2008, 11:24:21 pm
20 TO 30 okay dude I'm gonna have to ask you to list because I have to struggle with five I could list now, let alone 20 TO 30.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 28, 2008, 11:26:25 pm
gonna need to see that list ds.  slowly take out your list and put it on the ground, no funny business.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 28, 2008, 11:33:25 pm
dude i cannot think of 20 to 30 albums in any year let alone 2007. I'd have to struggle with like five years although probably could do it if I had a wikipedia or something.

you can't tell me you don't think that's a huge number!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 28, 2008, 11:35:50 pm
i couldnt do it off the top of my head, but this just means he downloaded an album every two weeks or so and was like HMM I LOVE THIS; it is not that far fetched.  i don't even care one way or another, i just thought the GONNA NEED TO SEE A LIST thing was funny.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 28, 2008, 11:36:16 pm
why does everyone do this. its like when indie kids listen to mastodon and like metal. it's always a specific supposedly obtuse example.

I don't know how else to prove it to you?? i was going to make a post saying that i agreed with the first part of sheppard's post but decided it would be TOO OBVIOUS. I mean i consider myself to be "readily available to listen to any kind of music more than actually liking music outside your safe genre."  but you're pretty quick to say NO UR NOT (well, not exactly this, but implying it). what am i supposed to say, man? how else do i go about saying YES, I AM?



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none of those are perfect (one puts Mellencamp in the top 10) but don't even play like this man, you're ignoring the more damning point; you went to Pitchfork first to remind yourself of what YOUR favorite albums were. you didn't look in your own library for this, you went STRAIGHT TO PFORK. what the hell man? why would you ever do this? how can you say "2008 was a great year for music" and need a reminder to what came out? that doesn't make any sense at all. do you expect anyone to believe this:

when you couldn't remember a single artist that wasn't on Pitchfork's list? no one's asking for obscure, but there's a reason people keep saying "listened to the stuff in FP's list, man it's just the same indie shit we've been hearing for years", and it's not because they want my Stamp of Approval (if anything I'd get the feeling a GW member would take great glee in spearing me on some obscure musical point as I am probably the biggest nerd on this forum). it's because it is kind of boring and you ain't fooling anyone by claiming openmindedness.


i didn't go to my library first because i have a shitload of music and i honestly can't remember if THIS PARTICULAR ALBUM CAME OUT THIS YEAR OR NOT. i seriously download several new albums a day on average and sometimes they are 2008 sometimes they are not, i don't keep track too often so yes, i do need a reminder of what came out this year! I've discovered a ton of music from other years this year and it's hard to keep track of all the dates when you listen to a lot of new music!

but yeah, i wasn't kidding about the what albums came out this year part. pitchfork was the easiest available resource and they had most of the music i liked!

ps. i don't see anyone saying "listened to the stuff in FP's list, man it's just the same indie shit we've been hearing for years" @__@. i just put what i don't see talked about much here, forgive me for trying to share music!!  do people seriously consider all the bands i put there as the same indie shit they've been hearing for years??
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 28, 2008, 11:38:51 pm
mmmm not exactly, but i thought a lot of it, especially the electroshit, was pretty homogeneous.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: DS on December 28, 2008, 11:43:50 pm
It is a huge number. I don't really mean 20-30 flawless, totally awesome blah blah albums but albums I really liked in any case. I can't think of another year like that. Anyway, if you really want a list I'll try to remember all the best albums and post it later. Lists... heh.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 28, 2008, 11:45:42 pm
hmm electroshit, let's see....le tigre?? kid koala. ecstasy of st theresa? jesus i don't even know what you consider ELECTROSHIT on that list
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 28, 2008, 11:53:58 pm
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i don't see anyone saying "listened to the stuff in FP's list, man it's just the same indie shit we've been hearing for years"

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Heard Fleet Foxes... what's so special about them?
It leans towards easy listening to me..
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damn good.  DAMN good year. *reads indie magazine*
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What's all the fuss about fleetfoxes? I see them on all the music blogs being raved as geniuses and whatnot, but I don't catch it myself.
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most of the rest of the list i felt was very mediocre/forgettable though.
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Man I just listened to most songs Flower Power posted and.. well you should really
come to my hometown cause it's full of that kind of music here. Not my kind of balls
though, but yeah.

sorry about using quotation marks as it's not a real quote but come on.

you keep ignoring my point man. DS says he can list 20 to 30 albums from a year ago. I doubt it. but I bet he won't need to refer to anything until he hits the higher twenties.

the point of these lists is you maybe forget one or two that deserve to be there. you don't need to use another list to reference your own dude. you can claim "I downloaded so many albums" but so did I and I still can tell you ten releases I thought were among the best in 2008. fuck it I did it earlier in this topic with just hiphop releases better than the Carter III.

do you really not get what's bad about jogging your memory with a biased and incorrect list? or that you even need to jog your memory to think of ten albums? sure you might forget a few, I forgot Cham had a mixtape, Killer Mike I Pledge II, Bun B's Ill Trill, but you shouldn't need to get all your stuff from one site's list! how did you not think of ten albums on your own?

It is a huge number. I don't really mean 20-30 flawless, totally awesome blah blah albums but albums I really liked in any case. I can't think of another year like that. Anyway, if you really want a list I'll try to remember all the best albums and post it later. Lists... heh.

I'm honestly curious because like I said I'm struggling to think of five I'd still want to listen to. some were OKAY but life's too short for okay.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 28, 2008, 11:54:38 pm
hmmmm i wonder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56E8yYgLNHE


good post guy.  good post
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 29, 2008, 12:03:53 am
what. crystal castles weren't even in my mixtape, dude. i thought we were talking about that!!! i wouldn't include crystal castles in that because i know no one here would like it. good post!!!


also steel, thanks for that. you quoted panda twice and two quotes about 1 single band. i'm sure that's fairly representitive of my whole list, eh? there were some posts in my favour too, you know?


again, I STILL do not see too much of a problem about bringing up pfork to jog my memory. pitchfork had, guess what, liked a lot of the similar music that i liked!!! this isn't to say i discovered it all through pitchfork because no, i rarely even go on there, but when i saw that list i was like "hey, this has a lot of good shit that i too discovered this year!". earl chip, too, it seems:

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for this same reason you probably found more obscure shit since about 80% of the new albums I listened to this year pitchfork picked up on too.

i agree that yes okay, i could've sat there and could've actually thought of all the albums, but that takes time! this was the fastest way to go about it, it's not that big of a deal

I'm sorry for having a worse taste in music than you.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Erave on December 29, 2008, 12:04:48 am
Can we all just agree people that claim to like "All Music" are the most boring pieces of shit ever. Seriously, I for one don't like Polka music or The New Complexity Music of the 80s. It's impossible to like everything, you're just boring.

Didn't Q-Tip come out with a new album this year? Was it any good?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 29, 2008, 12:11:01 am
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what. crystal castles weren't even in my mixtape, dude. i thought we were talking about that!!! i wouldn't include crystal castles in that because i know no one here would like it. good post!!!
why are you talking about people's opinions of your mixtape here?  this seems irrelevant.  i assumed you meant people's impressions of, you know, the list you actually posted in this topic.  the list of music we've been talking about all topic.  anyway ya im talkin about your TOP08 albums which surprise surprise mostly seemed pretty predictably INDIE in one way or another.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 29, 2008, 12:13:47 am
also if I considered the previous year to be a great year in music I would also think I would remember my favorite albums. why do you need to jog your memories of what you thought was a great year?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 29, 2008, 12:15:02 am
because two of the posts he used were from that thread and bonehead replied about hearing the SONGS i posted and i didn't post any songs in this topic.

i would never defend crystal castles other than WELP I LIKE EM.

edit: either way, there's not much ELECTROSHIT on that list, either
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 29, 2008, 12:16:53 am
oic.  yea idk i saw your list and did not find it compelling since it basically looked like IN CASE YOU DONT READ PITCHFORK: A COMPILATION and this did not seem interesting to me buuuut idk man, it all just strikes me as very average or predictable.  it all sounds like what i'd expect it to sound like.  they are like a bunch of indie-by-numbers pre-packaged groups.  maybe pre-packaged is harsh actually.  they're def BY THE BOOKS though, i think.

also i do not really care.  i thought it was lol that you needed pitchfork to do this since if you cannot remember your fav albums of the year maybe theyre not your fav??? but i think steel is just bored or something.  i dont think you have worse taste than me or him or anyone though; i only think this about people who listen to BLINK 182 and even then i just think of it as undeveloped more than good/bad.  it is more a matter of "yeah you WOULD like all that shit wouldn't you" but even then it's not a particularly big deal i agree
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 29, 2008, 12:20:39 am
because two of the posts he used were from that thread
no they were from this thread.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on December 29, 2008, 12:24:29 am
oh hey they were. i could've sworn they weren't, man i'm blind. but yeah, this is a pretty frivolous thing to argue about.


i don't really care if people like what i put on this list tbh  :fogetsmile:
Title: Best of 08
Post by: YourHero on December 29, 2008, 02:24:28 am
just for the record, i'd call his taste in music very shoegaze.

also, i would defend crystal castles more than "i like them".
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on December 29, 2008, 03:30:40 am
You guys download and listen to so much music each year I do wonder if you actually take enough time to properly digest it and appreciate it. This question is particularly aimed at DS (who I think I have asked before) and Steel.

I went through my 50 gig music folder during the year and re-listened to alot of stuff and listened to alot of music that was on my computer but I'd never ever bothered to play. I can now safely say I have given almost everything I have a good listen. I limit myself to an album or two a week so I can fully appreciate stuff. 
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 29, 2008, 03:43:24 am
I download to a couple of records and do not continue downloading until I heard I heard the albums in their entirety at least once, and maybe again to digest.

Just then I continue downloading. Except I really don't have much time to download (you have to find the band you are interested on first, yknow) because I am busy and such.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dom on December 29, 2008, 10:16:23 am
hmmmm i wonder

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=56E8yYgLNHE


good post guy.  good post
this is seriously the most mediocre song
Title: Best of 08
Post by: GaZZwa on December 29, 2008, 01:03:46 pm
I go out and buy my shit. Legit. Aiight?

also, in the case of the whole 1977 vs. 2007 (aahaha) debate, I'll say this: for me, 2007 was a really good year in music. There were lots and lots of records that I bought and really really got into, not just one or two. Of course, saying Panda Bear or LCD Soundsystem vs fucking David Bowie is pointless. I do think that time, history and perspective lends 1977 a tremendous hand, however. Off the top of my head, there's Low and Heroes, Talking Heads 77, Never Mind the Bollocks, the Clash, Marquee Moon, Lust for Life and The Idiot, Exodus, Pink Floyd, Pink Flag, Abba, Rumours, Suicide, The Damned, Peter Gabriel...all of which have the distinction of having survived the last 30 years with their reputation intact. Who knows how Neon Bible or Animal Collective or whatever will be regarded in 30 years, if they'll even be remembered at all?

Title: Best of 08
Post by: Yeaster on December 29, 2008, 03:17:47 pm
Britney Spears - Circus



That's right.


Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 29, 2008, 03:33:57 pm
You guys download and listen to so much music each year I do wonder if you actually take enough time to properly digest it and appreciate it. This question is particularly aimed at DS (who I think I have asked before) and Steel.

fuck no dude you're assuming I listen to a whole album to judge if I'm gonna like it. unless it's of personal interest or something I know might actually get better by the second half like the troubadours, or weird like kanye's new shit, if it's not an album that engages my interest by like five songs I just skip it. I try to delete it but I usually wait till year's end to do that.

if you think I listened to all of that boring Fleet Foxes shit or fucking CRYSTAL CASTLES, you're crazy.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 29, 2008, 04:21:10 pm
yeah, i usually skim albums to see if they're interesting.  if i am bored by what i hear of every song i delete it.  it's pretty easy to tell if an album is going to be good or completely uninteresting by listening to a bit of it.  when darkwhite first showed me over the edge i was like 10 seconds into doom town before i realized MAN THIS IS GONNA ROCK.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dom on December 29, 2008, 06:44:24 pm
Who knows how Neon Bible or Animal Collective or whatever will be regarded in 30 years, if they'll even be remembered at all?
i barely remember neon bible now
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 29, 2008, 06:55:13 pm
i barely remember neon bible now

yeah that was kind of my point. sure it's crazy to try and compare a release like Low to Person Pitch and think HMM IN 30 YEARS but I can almost guarantee no one will think of fucking Neon Bible in 30 years! the reason I made the comparison was because no one thinks of them NOW. I might not have liked Person Pitch but at least people on the forums make reference to it a year later as more than "2007 album"!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ase on December 29, 2008, 07:10:27 pm
i didn't listen to many 2008 albums so i can't make a good list, i mostly just download albums that i see gw people recommend a few times and usually end up liking them to some degree. I don't know. I feel like I haven't listened to any BAD music in a while which is really disappointing because now I can't tell if my standards are low or if I've just been avoiding bad music completely


also steel, do you think there are any albums that came out in the past like 5 years that people are going to remember for a while? iirc you really love Good News for People Who Love Bad News. In the 1960-90's, artists didn't have the luxury of the concept of "internet fame" or "underground following" or whatever the term is for NOT MAKING THE $$$$$ BUT LOTS OF INTERNET PEOPLE LOVE IT." How is that going to change in the future? In 30 years, are we going to remember albums pitchfork liked that weren't on Billboard 100?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 29, 2008, 07:32:35 pm
Who are you even asking about?  Ask yourself what music people remember from the 60s and 70s; it's mostly immensely popular shit like Led Zep and The Beatles and Hendrix that was ridiculously famous enough to weather the time.  If you're talking about music that has lasting significance with the mainstream, then no, most of the music we listen to won't be remembered, because most of the music we listen to isn't even known by the mainstream now.  Thirty years from now, most people will remember the Chili Peppers and Radiohead.  Most people won't even know who Modest Mouse is, let alone Good News.  I think the INDIEST you could get and still have a chance at some degree of lasting memorability is The Strokes, since they seem to have crossed over into the realm of bloated rockband, which people love.

That is if you are only talking about MAINSTREAM CONCEPTIONS OF MUSIC, though.  If you want to vague it up, sure there are indie albums released in the past five years that will have long term significance, but not for most people.  Just like you kind of have to be PRETTY INTO MUSIC to find out about stuff like Minutemen now, you will probably have to be similarly interested in proactively finding old shit to know who the hell Modest Mouse are.  So no, albums like Funeral or Turn On the Bright Lights or Person Pitch that people rave about won't achieve any level of lasting fame among mainstream audiences, but they are mostly indieish acts to begin with, so you really have to lower your expectations.  I think there have been some albums released in the past five years that will have lasting appeal for SOMEONE.  You know, people call shit like Pink Flag seminal and hugely influential, and it is, and if you talk to someone like catamites he will talk about it like it is this big hit that everyone knows, but that is only in certain circles of music.  Your AVERAGE DUDE will not know what the fuck Pink Flag is.

I'm sure thirty years from now, people will be writing about what great albums Good News or Return to Cookie Mountain or whatever were, but they'll probably just be the future's equivalent of UNKNOWN MUSIC BLOGGERS whose recommendations are only read by people looking for obscure old music (i.e. very small segments of the population).  The other 99% will just be like HEY REMEMBER COLDPLAY, I bet.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 29, 2008, 07:36:47 pm
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but that is only in certain circles of music.

you mean...good circles.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 29, 2008, 08:29:30 pm
Guys, I genuinely think Person Pitch is one of the best albums of the WHOLE DECADE.

It is innovative, and founding of a samplerdelica style.

There, I said it.



edit: changed "the" with "a"
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 29, 2008, 09:17:43 pm
samplerdelica style.

i was about to say FFFFF STOP MAKING UP WORDS but it was a typo it seems; the word is sampledelica.

lol if you think panda bear is even the most famous group to do this though.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 29, 2008, 10:44:55 pm
no, I'm saying his focus is completely innovative and important within this musical approach.

It is very hard to make a statement with you guys patrolling around on nightmare level. Allow more space for dissidence dude.


and I dont think saying "sampledelic", "sampladelic" and "samplerdelic" make any difference.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 29, 2008, 10:53:28 pm
you call it innovative, I call repackaging old shit into indie friendly terms, whatever.

but yeah it does make a difference when you're referring to a kind of obscure term, it's not like you said HIRPHOP so everyone knows what you meant. I had no idea what you were talking about, and I'd prefer GW be at least somewhat legible so that if someone doesn't know something they can look it up without being confused.

maybe if you spent less time worrying about music dissidence and more time trying to be comprehensible this wouldn't happen???
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 29, 2008, 11:16:04 pm
I wasn't inventing shit when I said samplerdelic, I don't have to apology for the use of "obscure terms" nor your previous unawareness of the term.
And this doesn't decrease GW's legibility, dude, are you kidding me.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 30, 2008, 12:02:32 am
you didn't even use the word "apology" correctly champ. let's not forget "extraoficial", "lief", "refutes" being used as a noun,
"constructed criticism" or that wonderful time you said you gave everything "selective temporal minimum significance". yeah it's plausible (and many people would agree LIKELY) you made up another one of your dumb words to define an album and trust me MULTIPLE PEOPLE agree you're completely illegible.

sorry you regularly misspell, make up, and misuse words to the degree that I can believe you'd make up the word "samplerdelica" I guess, but not really since you're still trying to justify it instead of saying "oh whoops typo" and reading into things???

fuck I didn't even type it right and added an a, Google suggests its "sampladelic". I ADDED THE A BECAUSE YOU SAID SAMPLERDELICA WHICH ISN'T EVEN A THING.

guess what pal. by not being precise, I now have two different definitions. one is for sampledelica: "a word meaning 'to use and manipulate samples in music'" from http://www.planetmellotron.com/sampledelica.htm

the other is "(music) Describing a form of popular music in which sampling is used to create a psychedelic effect" for sampladelic from http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/sampladelic

you can keep arguing but face it dude at this point no one actually knows which one you're talking about. "sampladelic" is a definition that is much rarer than "sampladelica" and neither is "samplerdelica" so good fucking job.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 30, 2008, 12:14:52 am
the thing repeats, you point all these things as if they mattered. They don't. It is unimportant. You want to point out these things and say "Big Deal!"? Your business.
It is not that I'm avoiding this or negating it. I just, never cared about these flaws and ambiguity. Have it go that way.
But I'll put a stop here. I don't agree with your nitpicking lifestyle. You don't agree with my broad, ambiguous ways. You're comfy with yours. I'm comfy with mine. Our perceptions of reality will always clash.


Back on topic,

Did someone hear
FUCK BUTTONS - STREET HORRRSING ?

Oh my god it is so fucking awesome. best album? best albummm???
I'm hyped here
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 30, 2008, 12:27:16 am
you didn't even say which definition you were using! MAYBE ITS BECAUSE YOU DONT EVEN FUCKING KNOW HUH? it's not about "big deals" or whatever dumb shit you're trying to stammer out in your polyglot of idiot and tourette's, it's about making any fucking sense. you not only used a word I could only find in a wiki dictionary and misspelled it horribly, you misspelled it so bad that multiple definitions that are different come up. shut up for a second about your philosophy and realize you're a terrible poster.

guess what you prick you can't keep posting the world's worst posts and thinking we're going to let it slide because you're too lazy to check your own posts for coherency. or we can put you in the no music forum group! that would work out better than trying to convince you to make an iota of sense.

guana made a shitpost generator, just use it next time and spare us all the game of Boggle that is your posts.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/mkor/sheppost/
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 30, 2008, 12:32:45 am
won't even bother to answer.

just note how you're the one who's attacking another guy and I'm the one who doesn't care.

saw that generator, posted what I thought about it in its corresponding thread.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 30, 2008, 12:35:29 am
my favorite album this year was Streel Horsing. seteris paribits, it seems like its the most innovaculous album this left over of a decimation's century. my posts are good, that's why I make them, semper idiot.

won't even bother to answer.

just note how you're the one who's attacking another guy and I'm the one who doesn't care.

saw that generator, posted what I thought about it in its corresponding thread.

who gives a shit if you care or don't care? if you truly didn't care, you wouldn't post anything. that's what people who don't care do. I saw dom reading this thread; he didn't post. why? he didn't care. you do care, you just want a false high ground by claiming since you aren't saying the words "SHUT UP NO ONE UNDERSTANDS YOU" you are the better poster in magical shepperd world where everyone talks backwards and hamburgers eat people.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Beasley on December 30, 2008, 03:34:21 am
god you two are like a fucking old married couple.

seriously.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 30, 2008, 03:45:37 am
just Grow the Hell Up Guys  :fogetnah:
Title: Best of 08
Post by: YourHero on December 30, 2008, 04:12:56 am
yeah seriously, you guys ARE like an old married couple. your debates aren't even legit anymore, moreless just personal attacks...
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 30, 2008, 04:27:50 am
hahahaha awesome response guys :^D

I am actually grinning a lot right now, we sure sound that way don't we? haha

:D awesome
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on December 30, 2008, 04:32:57 am
hehe *smiles in spite of himself*


are you ever going to reupload that album
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Beasley on December 30, 2008, 05:57:21 am
hahahaha awesome response guys :^D

I am actually grinning a lot right now, we sure sound that way don't we? haha

:D awesome

i don't even get this post. i detect the sarcasm but i dont really see where youre going otherwise cuz (despite the entertainment factor) you two bicker like siblings and i don't think either of you can really deny that!

and steel is normally way worse then you are.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on December 30, 2008, 09:10:05 am
I swear, no sarcasm. Was genuinely enjoying it.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on December 30, 2008, 09:21:47 am
hey steel have you ever listened to a rapper named Edan?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 30, 2008, 04:43:44 pm
hey steel have you ever listened to a rapper named Edan?
yeah man, he had a joint drop in 2005, Beauty and the Beat. also a song named after voltron...
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Herr Artischocke on December 30, 2008, 06:36:45 pm
Favorite:

Sigur Ros - Með suð í eyrum við spilum endalaust
Steven Wilson - Insurgentes
The Mars Volta - The Bedlam in Goliath
No-Man - Schoolyard Ghosts

Disappointing:

Death Cab For Cutie - Narrow Stairs
Opeth - Watershed
No new Anathema or dredg album :(
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dicko on January 01, 2009, 03:43:33 pm
vivian girls
tv on the radio
m83
no age
portishead
fleetfoxes
walkmen
crystal castles
santogold
nick cave
crystal stilts
beach house


goddamn, I feel like a fucking pitchfork list, but 2008 was damn good.

there were probably more, I don't want to check it now though.

you are a man after my own heart. i loved all those releases, especially crystal stilts and no age. no age are amazing live.

why?'s alopecia is the best thing to come out of 2008. or like, the best thing in the last few years. it's incredible.

also, women - women came out last year i think, menomena - friend or foe was early '08? not sure. of montreal's skeletal lamping is also pretty good.

GANG GANG DANCE - SAINT DYMPHNA. if you'd heard it you'd understand.

also fuck buttons are p. good.

ALSO ALSO parenthetical girls released entanglements this year yes? okay, that's second. why?'s release this year seriously tops anything from the last decade or so.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 01, 2009, 04:21:13 pm
alopecia best in the last decade huh.  lol
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dicko on January 01, 2009, 04:23:14 pm
have you heard it?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 01, 2009, 04:35:34 pm
yes thats why i said lol
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 01, 2009, 04:50:04 pm
haha, we put alopecia on stone and the record label was all :(
Title: Best of 08
Post by: thecatamites on January 01, 2009, 05:08:14 pm
I didn't really listen to too much stuff this year buuuuuuuut the Hospitals album 'Hairdryer Peace' was really good. I mention them like every other thread but it's seriously a giant step up from what they've done before and is probably the best noise/punk/psychedelic/whatever album of the year. It's too weird and abrasive for me to recommend unreservedly or whatever but it's still worth a listen. Black Pus is the solo project of Lightning Bolt and Mindflayer drummer Brian Chippendale, he released 'Black Pus 4' this year which is also really good. It's a bit poppier than most of his stuff but it actually works really well. Crystal Antlers released their first EP this year and that was pretty cool, they sound kinda like a cross between Comets On Fire and Mudhoney and although it's not really anything new it's still a really fun record. Mudhoney's new album is pretty cool too, and Portishead's one was fantastic.

Also I was kinda disappointed this year because there was a lot of talk about how indie music was getting noisier, like bands like No Age and Sic Alps and Times New Viking are getting a lot of coverage, and I was excited for a while in the idea that there would be some big grassroots shift in indie music. When I listened to those guys, though, they all seemed kinda... underwhelming, I guess. Not even bad but it just felt really unexciting and staid. I dunno how to really describe it but it's kinda like how the Yeah Yeah Yeahs were a pretty fun band but their music didn't really have any real personality or whatever, their music had style and energy but nothing really beyond that and it never really felt like they wanted to say anything or had any kind of unique viewpoint on things. It sounds really pretentious to say but that's kinda the way I felt about a lot of the stuff I listened to this year, like the music was well-made but it was also pretty faceless for the most part, and that made it pretty hard to have any real emotional investment in it other than just nodding head to the uptempo stuff or whatever. I'm rambling and I don't want to come off as just being music today *shakes cane* so I'll stop now but yeah, that's the impression I got off a lot of this stuff anyway.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dicko on January 01, 2009, 10:11:31 pm
haha, we put alopecia on stone and the record label was all :(
yeah anticon have NUKED THE INTERNET and asked like everyone to remove their stuff.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 02, 2009, 02:47:11 am
GANG GANG DANCE - SAINT DYMPHNA. if you'd heard it you'd understand.

whoa, thanks for bringing this to my attention. this album is really good!!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Quest-Master on January 02, 2009, 07:22:25 am
Saint Dymphna is definitely one of the best of '08. I would love to see Vacuum live, the song's like a neurotic cousin of MBV's I Only Said. I hear they stretch it for up to 15 minutes at their shows.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 02, 2009, 03:34:31 pm
http://www.ultimate-guitar.com/columns/features/the_ug_readers_poll_the_best_and_worst_bands_of_2008.html
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Wash Cycle on January 02, 2009, 07:07:29 pm
ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

that is the funniest best/worst of list I think I have ever seen. metallica, slipknot, avenged sevenfold, trivium, and ac/dc in the top 5 who visits that site a bunch of 13 year olds?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dragonx on January 02, 2009, 07:08:29 pm
I am so conflicted...

as I agree with some of the Worst bands on that UG list...I hate every band that they think are the best...maybe fallout boy isnt that bad
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 02, 2009, 08:30:12 pm
ahahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

that is the funniest best/worst of list I think I have ever seen. metallica, slipknot, avenged sevenfold, trivium, and ac/dc in the top 5 who visits that site a bunch of 13 year olds?
yes
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 02, 2009, 08:42:32 pm
GANG GANG DANCE - SAINT DYMPHNA.

yes to this btw
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 02, 2009, 08:49:21 pm
Also I was kinda disappointed this year because there was a lot of talk about how indie music was getting noisier, like bands like No Age and Sic Alps and Times New Viking are getting a lot of coverage, and I was excited for a while in the idea that there would be some big grassroots shift in indie music.
Have you checked Fuck Buttons? I consider them a noise band, but their latest album is fantastic, a nicely controlled subtle noise sound, very awesome.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Wash Cycle on January 02, 2009, 09:12:43 pm
yes
well I guess it is called ultimate-guitar.com lol
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Kaworu on January 02, 2009, 10:07:18 pm
Anyone saying that all the bands on both lists suck obviously don't like music. Instead I think you guys just like being pretentious snobs who want to make themselves feel more important by trying to be as niche and non-mainstream as possible.

4 Words: Grow The Fuck Up.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 02, 2009, 10:11:12 pm
4 More Words: Avenged Sevenfold Fucking Rock
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 02, 2009, 11:48:15 pm
there's a marge reading this thread!! is that you marge, do you know me?

my local newspaper had the highschool seniors' 2008 top 10 list and it was kinda good. it was pretty much all indie pop and they had the same fleet foxes album on there twice. they also spoke of hipster as if it were an esteemed, unattainable position in society. I finally made it....I'm a hipster now. awards himself plaid skinnies
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 03, 2009, 12:07:51 am
skinnies.  is that what they call them?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 03, 2009, 12:29:06 am
http://images.google.com/images?q=skinnies

edit, no they didn't actually write anything about skinnies in the article
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 03, 2009, 12:33:19 am
yeah i know, i just didn't know there was a term for them, is all.  i've always called them "too-tight jeans" or "look what that douchebag over there is wearing" lol
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Marge on January 03, 2009, 12:48:11 am
there's a marge reading this thread!! is that you marge, do you know me?

No, but we could friends if you like!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 03, 2009, 12:58:58 am
identify yourself, marge
Title: Best of 08
Post by: YourHero on January 03, 2009, 12:59:42 am
there's a marge reading this thread!! is that you marge, do you know me?


lol, really?

i also noticed someone on this forum named "ryan" I KNOW A RYAN!! RYAN IS THAT YOU!? ARE YOU RYAN!?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Sludgelord on January 03, 2009, 01:01:21 am
hi marge
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Guana on January 03, 2009, 01:02:02 am
I know who Marge is.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 03, 2009, 01:02:41 am
you know i saw they were from finland and wondered if they were a bud of you/ramci.  theyre so friendly....just like ramci....
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Marge on January 03, 2009, 01:13:16 am
identify yourself, marge

I'm only here to lurk sir!

You got that doubly right, I'm a friend of them both. I thought I would just spy on you guys for a few months before opening my mouth but earl pretty much busted me here and now I'm already being examined by an admin. These things just don't work out like they are supposed to.

Oh, I made the drums for Ramci's A New Blue Dress on one of the troubadours albums.

PS Hi Chef
Title: Best of 08
Post by: DS on January 03, 2009, 01:14:56 am
Welcome Marge or as they say in Finnish (I think?)

Tervetulla Marge!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: big ass skelly on January 03, 2009, 01:15:18 am
Hi Marge welcome to the forums :fogethappy:
Title: Best of 08
Post by: YourHero on January 03, 2009, 01:20:16 am
best of 08 ie welcomes and farewells
WELCOME
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 03, 2009, 01:29:43 am
welcome marge! it may be too "early" to tell, but I think we've got a candidate for best new member 2009 on our hands here.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 03, 2009, 01:33:14 am
ramci wasn't very friendly to me but I did insinuate that seifer was gay so maybe I deserved it. I don't know much about these things.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: YourHero on January 03, 2009, 01:39:05 am
MARGE IS AMAZING!!!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Marge on January 03, 2009, 01:45:44 am
Thank you thank you

I've only posted twice and already half way derailed a nice topic to a forum that doesn't even exist anymore, so I better stop before any of the big people get angry. If this forum is into that kind of thing I can make a this is me -topic somewhere sometime.

DS: yritys hyvä kymmenen, mutta kiitos kiitos.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: FrostyPink on January 03, 2009, 01:49:51 am
4 More Words: Avenged Sevenfold Fucking Rock
I'm sorry, but I just can't get into them... I have seen them twice live (first performance I saw was quite shit tbh, the second wasn't too shabby) and I've listened to pretty much all their albums; but I just feel they're missing a 'soul'.
I will praise them on the basis that their sound is distinct and (at the least, for me) their earlier albums and all of their singles have been pretty good.

In terms of that list though, Coldplay and Fall Out Boy's latest offerings were pretty solid to be honest...  Reguarding the best bands on that list, I feel ALL of those bands had their time, but none of them shine like how they used to.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: FrostyPink on January 03, 2009, 01:51:23 am
Thank you thank you

I've only posted twice and already half way derailed a nice topic to a forum that doesn't even exist anymore, so I better stop before any of the big people get angry. If this forum is into that kind of thing I can make a this is me -topic somewhere sometime.

DS: yritys hyvä kymmenen, mutta kiitos kiitos.
i like this guy already
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 03, 2009, 02:44:44 am
I'm sorry, but I just can't get into them... I have seen them twice live (first performance I saw was quite shit tbh, the second wasn't too shabby) and I've listened to pretty much all their albums; but I just feel they're missing a 'soul'.
I will praise them on the basis that their sound is distinct and (at the least, for me) their earlier albums and all of their singles have been pretty good.

In terms of that list though, Coldplay and Fall Out Boy's latest offerings were pretty solid to be honest...  Reguarding the best bands on that list, I feel ALL of those bands had their time, but none of them shine like how they used to.
this would be funny if you werent being serious


also ramci is always really friendly to me.  maybe ol render just doesnt measure up ? ? ?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Wash Cycle on January 03, 2009, 03:07:03 am
Anyone saying that all the bands on both lists suck obviously don't like music. Instead I think you guys just like being pretentious snobs who want to make themselves feel more important by trying to be as niche and non-mainstream as possible.

4 Words: Grow The Fuck Up.
or we just like music that isnt made for the sole purpose of making money

oops
Title: Best of 08
Post by: esiann on January 03, 2009, 03:13:04 am
yeah ramci's quite nice. maybe earl c. hips just came across as rude and unfeeling, not worth ramci's time... hm..

whoops off topic ):
Title: Best of 08
Post by: FrostyPink on January 03, 2009, 03:24:22 am
this would be funny if you werent being serious
I think I'm pretty right here, though.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 03, 2009, 04:45:40 am
also ramci is always really friendly to me.  maybe ol render just doesnt measure up ? ? ?
I believe you, I'm not trying to say he's unfriendly or anything but he was very rude to me. not to derail but this is what he said
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Sludgelord on January 03, 2009, 08:29:35 am
ramci is the nicest person in the universe and if marge knows ramci, then marge is nice by default. by the way, marge joined in august... it's not too late to nominate marge for best member 2008.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Guana on January 03, 2009, 10:09:43 am
I believe you, I'm not trying to say he's unfriendly or anything but he was very rude to me. not to derail but this is what he said

he was trying to troll
Title: Best of 08
Post by: bonzi_buddy on January 03, 2009, 06:26:45 pm
it's me!! bonzi_buddy, your best friend in the internet! i confirm that Marge is a v. cool guy! he has a very good taste in music! he reads nietczhe and gierdegaard!!!!

anybody who is saying otherwise... has to face ME *cracks knuckle* 

ramci wasn't very friendly to me but I did insinuate that seifer was gay so maybe I deserved it. I don't know much about these things.
yeah. i was pretty offended of your comment about seifer.

I am a Lover to my Friends... BUT I AM ALSO A RIVAL TO MY ENEMIES!!  :fogetangry:





nah jk. basically,
he was trying to troll

you are a good guy earl so i want to clarify this: i'd like to publicly apologize BOTH earl_chip and Pink. I was just trying to troll and i guess it just didn't work, i tried too hard. it was a pretty bad troll. i think i even said the wrong nicknames there at some point (which you pointed out)
besides it's logical that the master of trolling is not amused, you see through me render. looks like we all have much to learn from render. I have much to learn from you...master. *bows down*


and Pink... i just basically recommended every game from the wikipedia's list of released games from '07 (that were released close to Christmas). :welp: sorry buddy!



--
what a horrible, confusing post!! and i enjoy this immensily!! happy derail everyone, happy new year!  :fogetcrazy:​  :fogetcrazy:
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 03, 2009, 10:15:30 pm
I don't want to continue the derail but I feel it's important that I apologise to ramci as well. sorry! I never held it against you, I was just sad because I didn't know why you were being so mean to me but you were joking. happy new year!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dom on January 05, 2009, 12:26:54 pm
I will praise them on the basis that their sound is distinct
no it isn't
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dom on January 05, 2009, 12:28:23 pm
yeah i know, i just didn't know there was a term for them, is all.  i've always called them "too-tight jeans" or "look what that douchebag over there is wearing" lol
theres a difference between skinny jeans and girl pants :ssh:
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 05, 2009, 01:31:20 pm
oh ok.  i guess skinnies are okay then.  what are the ones that look like girl pants called


maybe dicko will know
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dom on January 05, 2009, 01:47:41 pm
oh ok.  i guess skinnies are okay then.  what are the ones that look like girl pants called


maybe dicko will know
girl pants

edit: these are skinny jeans (http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/36148/levis_skinny.jpg)
Title: Best of 08
Post by: tuxedo marx on January 05, 2009, 04:17:01 pm
dom those aren't skinny jeans they are barely skinny.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dom on January 05, 2009, 04:52:41 pm
dom those aren't skinny jeans they are barely skinny.
thats why theyre skinny jeans and not girl pants. skinny jeans still have some slack in the lower half.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dicko on January 05, 2009, 05:08:20 pm
yeah, girl pants are skin tight (as demonstrated by dicko here: (http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-sf2p/v653/96/101/197801889/n197801889_43445671_200.jpg) )
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 05, 2009, 08:09:16 pm
Conclusion:

approve dom's pants

disapprove dicko's pants
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 05, 2009, 09:21:31 pm
dom's pants looks like a normal pair of jeans. dicko's are where it's at.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on January 05, 2009, 10:08:46 pm
Doms pants are cool, they are merely fitted jeans not girls jeans. I like wearing jeans that fit nicely rather than jeans that hang off your ass or jeans that hung your genitals.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 06, 2009, 03:04:28 am
dom's are closer to normal fitted jeans, skinny jeans gotta taper in towards the bottom. these are what I'm talking about!! http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/catalog/category.jsp?popId=MENS&navAction=poppushpush&isSortBy=true&navCount=3&pushId=MENS_APPAREL&id=M_APP_JEANS most of those are skinny jeans. I don't think guys should wear them.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 06, 2009, 07:22:42 pm
hahah, urban outfitters!


never thought i'd see the day on gw...
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 06, 2009, 07:38:34 pm
...the day someone would bring up a clothing store?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 06, 2009, 08:02:13 pm
no but its like the most hipster clothing store ever. i get the impression that 98% of the people here hate that shit.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: esiann on January 06, 2009, 08:03:21 pm
we're talking about hipster clothing though, it's topical. and the context of the link was that they are bad.

so its okay... We at Gaming World don't really like that stuff, that would be g.a.y.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 06, 2009, 08:12:00 pm
hmm, from those pictures on the uo site, they still seem more fitted than skinny, but i know for a fact they sell a lot of skinnies. when i think skinny i think what dicko is wearing
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 07, 2009, 02:14:52 am
those are all their jeans not just skinnies

its a store!!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: church_gone_wild on January 07, 2009, 11:31:21 am
MMM LISTS... my favorite


Omar Rodriguez-Lopez - Old Money
his best release yet imo

Exotic Animal Petting Zoo - I Have Made My Bed In Darkness

The Usaisamonster - Space Programs
i was slightly disappointed with this album because their sound has changed significantly, but it's still good.

Genghis Tron - Board Up The House

Zach Hill - Astrological Straits

The Mars Volta - The Bedlam In Goliath

The Sound of Animals Fighting - The Ocean And The Sun
i hate the other bands the members are in (chiodos, saosin, circa survive??), but these guys are alright.

We Versus The Shark - Dirty Versions

Cinemechanica - Rivals

Russian Circles - Station

Maps & Atlases - You And Me And The Mountain

These Arms Are Snakes - Tail Swallower And Dove
Title: Best of 08
Post by: YourHero on January 07, 2009, 04:00:06 pm
you like animal music
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Taylor Kaz on January 07, 2009, 04:10:41 pm
avenged sevenfold 2008, esp. "a little peice of heaven"  ,the only song i didn't really like is the opening track on that album .  I got my socks rocked off, and there was some steel guitar stuff in there too.   Oh disturbed was good too.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Ryan on January 07, 2009, 06:57:31 pm
avenged sevenfold 2008, esp. "a little peice of heaven"  ,the only song i didn't really like is the opening track on that album .  I got my socks rocked off, and there was some steel guitar stuff in there too.   Oh disturbed was good too.

EXCELLENT choices
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on January 07, 2009, 07:52:51 pm
I miss on the new disturbed album how they dont make that "OOOOH AH AH AH" monkey noise anymore.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dom on January 08, 2009, 12:36:24 pm
I miss on the new disturbed album how they dont make that "OOOOH AH AH AH" monkey noise anymore.
i wish every disturbed song did this, it would make them the bestb and ever (more so than they are now of course)
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Barack Obama on January 08, 2009, 02:49:04 pm
where does your dick go in those thight jeans?

i'm no Lexington Steel or anything but I saw a very clear dick-shaped bulge on my upper thigh when I tried on a pair like these (http://www.urbanoutfitters.com/urban/catalog/productdetail.jsp?itemdescription=true&itemCount=10&startValue=21&selectedProductColor=&sortby=&id=13380704&parentid=M_APP_JEANS&sortProperties=&navCount=30&navAction=poppushpush&color=&pushId=M_APP_JEANS&popId=MENS_APPAREL&prepushId=). do those guys tuck it back and hold it with their asscheeks or something????
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dicko on January 08, 2009, 03:22:12 pm
christ they're not that tight, there's plenty of crotch space. yeah i check to make sure theres no bulge every now and then but im usually fine.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Goji on January 08, 2009, 05:52:36 pm
kanye west's 808 and heartbreaks was a favorite of mine. i can't really explain why. i loved it though. the fall of troy's phantom on the horizon was good, but the lack of new material sort of made me feel like i was listening to something that came out forever ago. nothing else really was any special. guns n roses was shitty
Title: Best of 08
Post by: FrostyPink on January 08, 2009, 06:04:55 pm
the fall of troy's phantom on the horizon was good, but the lack of new material sort of made me feel like i was listening to something that came out forever ago.
:'(
My avatar is the response to this.
(EDIT: MY AVATAR WAS FROM THE PHANTOM ON THE HORIZON BOOKLET. IT HAS SINCE CHANGED.)
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on January 08, 2009, 08:09:25 pm
i wish every disturbed song did this, it would make them the bestb and ever (more so than they are now of course)

i like you dom
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Kaworu on January 08, 2009, 08:42:26 pm
yesterday I found this really cool compilation album that came out last year. Basically it's foreign psychedelic stuff from india, turkey etc and it's unbelievably cool. It's called Obsession and it's out by Bully records or something.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: fatcatx2l on January 11, 2009, 07:32:38 am
Not to be the antithesis of everything, but I honestly didn't remember a lot of 2008. I had really only one album I listened to the whole year practically and that was released in like, '99 or something. I actually liked kanye's newest album. The 808 was a nice sound that I wasn't used to hearing. I've always liked his backing tracks. I also really enjoyed chinese democracy. I know that most people's opinion is "needs moar slash LOL" but it had a nice layered sound and axl showed off a pretty decent range in writing and singing throughout the whole thing. I never listened to anything off of Narrow Stairs but the singles, which isn't like me, but I enjoyed those, just not enough to get the album.

2008 was actually kind of weird for me. I didn't really get into any full albums (other than Chinese Democracy) but I ended up liking things I normally wouldn't care for. I guess I'll just leave it at that.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 11, 2009, 08:12:10 am
nice try trollin there bud
Title: Best of 08
Post by: YourHero on January 11, 2009, 03:46:53 pm
yesterday I found this really cool compilation album that came out last year. Basically it's foreign psychedelic stuff from india, turkey etc and it's unbelievably cool. It's called Obsession and it's out by Bully records or something.

im interested. where can i find this?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 11, 2009, 03:53:01 pm
Quote
The 808 was a nice sound that I wasn't used to hearing.

lollin
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 11, 2009, 04:28:30 pm
nice try trollin there bud
how is that trolling?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 11, 2009, 04:33:40 pm
i guess because he liked two pretty awful albums. i don't think he was trolling but still lol the 808 is the most overused drummachine in existence.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 11, 2009, 05:03:24 pm
dude, liking awful records is not trolling, how can you even consider that a possibility.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 11, 2009, 05:05:16 pm
how can you even consider that a guy coming into a gw music topic and being like CHINESE DEMOCRACY....IT RULES is anything but trolling?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Ryan on January 11, 2009, 05:18:09 pm
i heard a song from the new metallica album on the radio today. i was lollin so hard because the lyrics are like LOVE..... LOVE... LOVE IS A FOUR LETTER WORD.. LOVE followed by chugga chugga drums and bass
Title: Best of 08
Post by: headphonics on January 11, 2009, 05:35:17 pm
yeah i did not really GET those lyrics or how you can be like 45 and still writing them.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: FrostyPink on January 11, 2009, 05:56:46 pm
yeah i did not really GET those lyrics or how you can be like 45 and still writing them.
by trying to be 20 again. metallica's last album was a midlife crisis in album-form.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 11, 2009, 06:00:16 pm
pimp c used that as a single line and it owned and bob dylan had some throwaway song named that, fuck you metallica.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: FrostyPink on January 11, 2009, 06:06:37 pm
(http://www.metallica-news.com/images/hetfield-hawaii.jpg)
THIS IS METALLICA

FUCKING HELL...
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 11, 2009, 07:04:22 pm
how can you even consider that a guy coming into a gw music topic and being like CHINESE DEMOCRACY....IT RULES is anything but trolling?
man, you have a problem.

you have a problem if you think dissidence is nothing but trolling
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 11, 2009, 07:27:10 pm
how about dissidence so severe it seems like parody, or you know, trolling?

like it's really funny to me someone strolled in a topic and said "I've never heard 808s used in a rap album. also Chinese Democracy, that album fuckin EVERYONE hates? it ruled". it's so wrong it seems like it's not a real dissenting opinion but more an attempt to goad other people into commenting on it.

for instance: "I really hate Person Pitch. Idk why! it is not an album I enjoy." is not a troll, it is just a dissenting opinion.

"Person Pitch? Wtf's that shit. Fallout Boy had a new album it was the best." is so weird and off that yeah, you can assume the person is goading you to reply.

this is trolling 101 man.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: fatcatx2l on January 11, 2009, 08:03:50 pm
Wait... I wasn't trolling, but I think I'll get flamed if I say otherwise now... 'cause, you know, I liked an album everyone else didn't like. Funny, huh? I must be a troll.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 11, 2009, 08:07:51 pm
It's cause you liked a bad album, not just one we disagreed with.  Chinese democracy got lackluster reviews across the board. This combined with apparent genuine surprise at an 808 in a rap album and it's not too surprising someone thought it was a troll.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 11, 2009, 08:25:37 pm
how about dissidence so severe it seems like parody, or you know, trolling?

like it's really funny to me someone strolled in a topic and said "I've never heard 808s used in a rap album. also Chinese Democracy, that album fuckin EVERYONE hates? it ruled". it's so wrong it seems like it's not a real dissenting opinion but more an attempt to goad other people into commenting on it.

for instance: "I really hate Person Pitch. Idk why! it is not an album I enjoy." is not a troll, it is just a dissenting opinion.

"Person Pitch? Wtf's that shit. Fallout Boy had a new album it was the best." is so weird and off that yeah, you can assume the person is goading you to reply.

this is trolling 101 man.
it is still dissidence.
If you honestly strongly dislike Person Pitch, why would I take it as an offense.
I understand people have different perceptions, different tastes. That's pretty much automatic thinking.

Now, you could have an argument if there is provocation. As in, "I am saying this is shit because I specifically want to annoy you". That's not dissidence, that's trolling.

And fatcat's post was completely impersonal.
I personally think you guys should apologize, I'm not saying you guys should do this, I can care less.

Chinese Democracy can be target of parody, I laugh at it myself actually. But there's a limit here. And when you get someone who openly and frankly says he enjoys it, you should respect that, in spite of your absolutely disagreeing taste. Then you may argue why you think his taste is not good.

But saying: "DUDE YOU THINK CHINESE DEMOCRACY IS BEST? DUDE YOU ARE TROLLING"
that's lame
Title: Best of 08
Post by: DS on January 11, 2009, 08:27:14 pm
Quote
I personally think you guys should apologize, I'm not saying you guys should do this, I can care less.
quote of the day

but yeah it didn't seem like a troll to me
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 11, 2009, 08:55:41 pm
I never thought it was a troll, it's just funny to see yet again shep doesn't understand anything outside of face value. Someone says Chinese democracy is great and 808s are something he's never heard? Ugh how can you think that's a troll? How dare you think someones taste is so bad it seems like parody???

Sorry you got such bad taste we thought it was a fakepost :(
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 11, 2009, 08:58:12 pm
Ps if you are going to reply, stop ignoring the fact he was apparently astonished by a fucking 808, as guess what this is the most impressively wrong part of this post and why I thought it was very funny.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: fatcatx2l on January 11, 2009, 09:15:59 pm
Sigh, yeah, I know it got bad reviews. I have my reasons for liking it. Also, I know the 808 is used a lot. I guess I should've specified that it was the WAY he used it in some songs. It wasn't a big year in music for me. I listen to a lot of music, so don't get the idea that I have extremely bad taste in music just because I liked one low scoring album.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 11, 2009, 09:16:27 pm
i didn't seriously think he was trolling. i was joking. joking. jking, jkng jk

so fatcat, explain why they're awesome

have you even heard anything else from '08?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: fatcatx2l on January 11, 2009, 09:25:51 pm
I don't need anyone to apologize to me. I can see where he thought it was a troll now. I don't read music reviews.

I haven't heard a lot from 08. it was my graduating year of high school, and I didn't really have a lot of time for listening to music or finding new music. Any new music I found was released a few years ago. I listened to parts of Kings Of Leon's new album, and didn't really like most of it, but listened to their first album and enjoyed much more. It was also my first quarter of college, so I didn't have much time their either.

I liked chinese democracy from a compositional standpoint. I know I'm going to get bombarded with "all that stuff has been done before" but structurally it was refreshing from what I HAD heard recently, which, like I just mentioned, wasn't a lot this year.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 11, 2009, 10:02:55 pm
he didn't use the 808 in any unique way, that was kind of the point of it being, you know, 808s and Heartbreak.

also senior year is the easiest year in high school as no college cares about the grades.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 11, 2009, 10:45:48 pm
yeah i don't see how you could use that as an excuse, i too am in my first year of university and i've never downloaded/heard more music in my life.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 11, 2009, 11:58:40 pm
quote of the day
I constructed that sentence in a way similar to f'[f(x)]
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Farren on January 12, 2009, 02:50:17 am
I don't see why anyone would be shocked to see someone from g&d come in here and post about what kinds of shitty music they like. I'm also pretty sure it has happened before.

I haven't even heard any of chinese democracy except for a few seconds on a commercial for the album and axle's voice sounded totally different if that was even him singing, it was pretty generic and crap alternative sounding and I don't listen to radio so...
Title: Best of 08
Post by: fatcatx2l on January 12, 2009, 03:14:58 am
you know what? You're right. I'm a terrible person. I only liked one album this year that was considered by pretty much everyone to be a great failure. The other album I liked this year was Kanye West (LOL). I should've downloaded way more albums than I had. I have no excuse. Especially not for liking two albums way out of my comfort zone.

I'm sorry that I don't live up to such high standards and that I have such terrible music taste. I shouldn't even be allowed to post here.

You win. I give.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: YourHero on January 12, 2009, 03:21:00 am
you like kanye west, but would you go through this for tickets?


ps. at least you're not pretending to like music that other people like :welp: be proud of your bad taste in music! (i don't actually know what you 'bad taste' was...)
Title: Best of 08
Post by: fatcatx2l on January 12, 2009, 03:39:44 am
See, I don't even think I would go out to see a Kanye concert to begin with. I wouldn't even see a GNR concert. These are both atypical choices in music for me. Its not like I just sit around listening to old 80s hair bands or nu-metal or Lil' Wayne or anything. I don't listen to the radio (not that there's anything wrong with the people who do) and I don't go and look for an album just because it was on Pitchfork's or Rolling Stone's or Billboard's list of top albums.

I like indie music, but I don't like every crappy indie band I hear.

I mean, I find Portishead's music absolutely horrible, but I'm not a big name on the internet, so I can't say anything about it. I also must not understand them and have crappy taste in music because I dislike them. I guess I just can't win on the internet.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 03:45:48 am
you're right.

you do have pretty shitty taste in music.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 03:47:04 am
i love it when people are sarcastic and make themselves look stupid

HEH YEAH BECAUSE ID ONT LIKE PORTISHEAD'S NEW ALBUM BUT THOUGHT CHINESE DEMOCRACY WAS GREAT AND 808S ARE UNIQUE SOUNDING MEANS I DON'T KNOW ANYHTING ABOUT MUSIC :ROLLEYES:

wait!

thats exactly what it means!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: blood hell on January 12, 2009, 03:52:15 am
you like kanye west, but would you go through this for tickets?


ps. at least you're not pretending to like music that other people like :welp: be proud of your bad taste in music! (i don't actually know what you 'bad taste' was...)

jesus christ if this is real
Title: Best of 08
Post by: fatcatx2l on January 12, 2009, 03:54:25 am
It is. I wasn't being sarcastic. I don't know anything about music as I've obviously just learned.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on January 12, 2009, 03:57:21 am
I thought the newest offspring album Rise and Fall, Rage and Grace was really good, I mean it wasn't as good as Conspiracy of One but it does have some killer tracks.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 12, 2009, 04:00:24 am
See, I don't even think I would go out to see a Kanye concert to begin with. I wouldn't even see a GNR concert. These are both atypical choices in music for me. Its not like I just sit around listening to old 80s hair bands or nu-metal or Lil' Wayne or anything. I don't listen to the radio (not that there's anything wrong with the people who do) and I don't go and look for an album just because it was on Pitchfork's or Rolling Stone's or Billboard's list of top albums.

I like indie music, but I don't like every crappy indie band I hear.

I mean, I find Portishead's music absolutely horrible, but I'm not a big name on the internet, so I can't say anything about it. I also must not understand them and have crappy taste in music because I dislike them. I guess I just can't win on the internet.
you're just kind of young and apparently have very little knowledge about music. what makes portishead horrible? can you defend your positions on music at all or are you just going to whine and play victim? pretty much everybody likes bad music at some point man.

speaking of which I don't think anyone explained what makes fleet foxes good/one of the best of 2008, do you guys have a good reason or did you just pick it off Under The Radar's top 50 list
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 04:05:27 am
very few smart people thought it was actually any good dog. like I said even pitchfork's list isn't based on anything other than WHATS SAFE AND INDIE???
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 04:10:28 am
btw i'm pretty sure that kanye vid is not real. that show would result in so many swears and they'd get kicked off the air. it's been passed around since...college dropout I think, I think someone somewhere would label it as more than PRANK CALL. I mean can you imagine this happening and NOT saying OH FUCK.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on January 12, 2009, 04:13:48 am
Also forgot to mention ACDC-Black Ice, that was nearly album of the year for me. RockNroll train is a classic.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 04:18:11 am
whitesnake released something this year.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 12, 2009, 04:23:19 am
no I was asking why the people who put it on their list itt did.

dumb indie groups love it tho. actually it's on my mind because I was at barnes & nobel today and I picked up that UNDER THE RADAR (they do a great job at finding that obscure music btw) and their top 3 were fleet foxes, vampire weekend, dodos in that order. and then fleet foxes started playing in the background.....
Title: Best of 08
Post by: fatcatx2l on January 12, 2009, 04:30:32 am
No, I'm not going to whine and play victim. I just don't get why it was such a big deal.

What I don't like about portishead is mostly in mixing, composition, and structure. Certain parts of it aren't mixed to a way that is pleasing to my ears. What I hear has potential to be decent music, but there are parts in the mix that aren't brought out well. While I believe repetition in music is useful and natural, there comes a point where it can be unlistenable to the way my ears are trained. Yes, I know what you're thinking "Well, you just don't get it. You're used to what the radio feeds you as correct." Fine, its an acquired taste then. But what I hear is more generic, pretentious art music. And yeah, Chinese Democracy is considered just another generic album, but I like it for the chord structure, use of dissonance, and transitions.

I don't know a lot of bands, I'll admit that. While I'm all for listening to new music,  I just don't see the point in going out and finding bands just for the sole purpose of expanding my musical taste or encyclopedic knowledge.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on January 12, 2009, 05:06:08 am
Yeah the technical aspects of Chinese Democracy are what make it such a great album man. I also like the experimental edge they took on this album.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 12, 2009, 05:25:09 am
No, I'm not going to whine and play victim. I just don't get why it was such a big deal.

What I don't like about portishead is mostly in mixing, composition, and structure. Certain parts of it aren't mixed to a way that is pleasing to my ears. What I hear has potential to be decent music, but there are parts in the mix that aren't brought out well. While I believe repetition in music is useful and natural, there comes a point where it can be unlistenable to the way my ears are trained. Yes, I know what you're thinking "Well, you just don't get it. You're used to what the radio feeds you as correct." Fine, its an acquired taste then. But what I hear is more generic, pretentious art music. And yeah, Chinese Democracy is considered just another generic album, but I like it for the chord structure, use of dissonance, and transitions.

I don't know a lot of bands, I'll admit that. While I'm all for listening to new music,  I just don't see the point in going out and finding bands just for the sole purpose of expanding my musical taste or encyclopedic knowledge.
interesting points but have you considered the feedback and velocity? I thought the cutaway in Machine Gun showed sufficient decay but the gain during the white noise didn't have enough presence and sustain. excellent splicing though, one of the best mixes of 2008.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on January 12, 2009, 07:00:44 am
agreement with the above post, i always justify music i like using only technical terms
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Bonehead on January 12, 2009, 03:29:37 pm
I really can't believe the things you guys are saying in this thread. You're being real dickheads about this.

I bet that if someone said he/she liked a melody in a Britney Spears song that would like.. I don't know literally make you shit your pants?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 03:38:22 pm
man what do you want. it's already twelve days past 2008, we've touched on most good albums (ODES ANYONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AMADOU AND MIRIAM????) that people know, at this point some guy talking about the "chord progression" of music is very funny! this is the same argument I had with you, namely if you're looking at these aspects of music instead of harder to define semiotic and social and dare I say it SPIRITUAL worth, you aren't really listening to music in a good way!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Bonehead on January 12, 2009, 03:46:04 pm
Yes, cause listening to music EXCLUSIVELY in a spiritual way is the only right way. Have you considered the fact that sometimes you can like a song just because you enjoy the chord progression or the harmonics? I mean, just because he liked two songs doesn't mean he only listens to this. This is what I meant by narrow-minded in the other topic by the way. There are MORE THAN ONE ways to approach music and you can actually like music that "touches" you in a deeper meaning as well as liking more "simple" stuff.

People ASKED him why he liked those songs and he tried to explain. Read their answers after that.

edit
Also the "my guiltiest pleasure" is a pretty perfect example that people can actually enjoy "shitty" (or whatever you wanna call it) music as well as having a "better taste".

edit2
And yeah, I guess this is something we will never agree on so I'll just drop it now.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 04:03:42 pm
I never said anything about exclusivity. it's just you'd be hardpressed to find someone who thinks the more esoteric qualities of music are not the better and more important ones. if you do like music for CHORD PROGRESSIONS, there's no need to go outside of Bach's fugues, which have entire books written on them and their technical prowess.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Bonehead on January 12, 2009, 04:22:57 pm
Well I got the impression that you did, since you've been pretty negative to the people that post "shitty" music which you don't find "enlightening" enough for yourself personally. Also I might have misunderstood the word Chord Progression cause I meant the way the song is arranged chord-wise, which is basically every song so I can't understand how you think that it has nothing to do with the esoteric (I had to google this word >_>) qualities of a song whatsoever. Unless you only listen to a single drum with no tune (yeah yeah.. even a drum has a tune but whatever >_>) whatsoever that someone hits every now and then for 5 or so minutes.

And I wasn't reffering to anything technical whatsoever by this. It's kinda hard to explain a song without using these words.

Also, can you post some bands/songs you enjoy before we stop talking, cause your confident way of talking about this has sparked my interest and who knows, maybe I'm actually listening to some of it. Basically I just think you are a tad too mean about people's tastes and even though you probably don't give a shit if they stop posting about what they're listening to, some actually do.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 12, 2009, 04:27:12 pm
you're right.

you do have pretty shitty taste in music.
and you're an idiot.

In spite I agree with your point, you don't shit how to handle it.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 04:49:10 pm
Well I got the impression that you did, since you've been pretty negative to the people that post "shitty" music which you don't find "enlightening" enough for yourself personally. Also I might have misunderstood the word Chord Progression cause I meant the way the song is arranged chord-wise, which is basically every song so I can't understand how you think that it has nothing to do with the esoteric (I had to google this word >_>) qualities of a song whatsoever. Unless you only listen to a single drum with no tune (yeah yeah.. even a drum has a tune but whatever >_>) whatsoever that someone hits every now and then for 5 or so minutes.

And I wasn't reffering to anything technical whatsoever by this. It's kinda hard to explain a song without using these words.

Also, can you post some bands/songs you enjoy before we stop talking, cause your confident way of talking about this has sparked my interest and who knows, maybe I'm actually listening to some of it. Basically I just think you are a tad too mean about people's tastes and even though you probably don't give a shit if they stop posting about what they're listening to, some actually do.

chord progression isn't about even melody so much as like CIRCLE OF FIFTHS stuff, it's pretty much theory stuff and is imho kind of BORING if necessary to know if you make music which is why it's so bizarre someone would compliment it. there isn't a musician out there who doesn't know CHORD PROGRESSION. well there are but they are your more uh DIFFERENT groups like the Shaggs. embarassing fact I am beginning to non-ironically kind of enjoy the Shaggs. I am Zappa give me your jazz instruments or I will make a mess of your pots and pans.

also I post about things I like a lot often, didn't I post a ridiculous breakdown of why DBT's great album wasn't on a list when it clearly deserved to be? I had a shortlived article series about it. I would link LastFm but I am a nice brother and let my sister listen to my songs so there's like 40 MONKEY MAJIK/100 KANYE WEST SONG listens on it so don't necessarily think it's all accurate.

http://www.last.fm/user/KidDelhi

wtf how do i have more gaslight anthem listens than tupac. i used to have an absurd tupac number.

and you're an idiot.

In spite I agree with your point, you don't shit how to handle it.

he even admitted he didn't listen to fuckall musically, don't even try this dude. I was mean but I wasn't being stupid. it is genuinely kind of amazing someone would dislike Third and then turn around and say Kanye and Chinese Democracy were innovative releases and it indicates, yeah, a failing in musical knowledge! I know you are the ultimate relativist (DONT BAN ANYONE is one of your popular forum arguments because you think everything is dissenting opinions) but most of us dwell in reality you know where if you don't say "christ dude you can't think this" and insist on some kind of hugbox where everyone's opinion is equal and knowledge, context, history, depth, none of that matters it leads to very boring discussion.

DEATH MAGNETIC: ALBUM OF 08???????
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Bonehead on January 12, 2009, 05:18:17 pm
Sweet dude, gonna check it out :P
I agree that looking at a song purely by the way it's built up (melodies, chords, lyrics and beats) is pretty "soulless", but that's kinda what happens to you if you mostly hang out with musicians; you get over-analytical. I mean, after I've heard something that immediately clicked and moved me, I get the urge to need to know how the musician managed to capture the spirit.. by, yeah.. breaking down the song to chords, melodies, lyrics and all that "technical" crap. I've never listened to rap cause I don't understand it lol, but maybe I'll give it a try someday.

DEATH MAGNETIC: ALBUM OF 08???????
Yes lol, I know. It's been a slow year for me. You should check out Anna Ternheim though, she's pretty cool. Everything (lyrics, music, even the goddamn pictures in the booklet) about the latest album is perfectly matched with the mood she tries to portray (spelling) :P
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 05:40:19 pm
this is a great post about 2008's perception of hiphop: http://www.cocaineblunts.com/blunts/?p=1677#more-1677

in short:

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No Jeezy (whose OMG! RECESSION! hook was almost tailor made for the pitchforkian “we like rappers who are smart but not smarter than we are” perspective) or Killer Mike (he of twelfth best single of 2006 fame) or Gucci Mane (who should’ve been this year’s Cam’Ron to people whose entire relationship with hip hop entails laughing with/at? it) or Z-Ro (who wallows in misery and self doubt better than any of the unwashed white folks who made the Pitchfork list). Not even The Fucking Roots (who put out a better album this year than all the other ones they put out in the ~eight year period when non-rap critics were fawning over them.) And yeah, The Mixtape About Nothing was cute, but not even Wale would try to tell you it was the second best rap album of the year. [2]

But none of these acts need Pitchfork love. With the exception of maybe The Roots, it’s not like pitchfork kids were actually buying these types of records or going to those artist’s concerts, apart from their one off date at the Knitting Factory. Jeezy and Gucci will survive. Street rappers will always have the streets. [3] The artists who truly suffer from this are the old guard yackpack true school hip hoppers, the type of rap artists that indie rock listeners were jamming back when they were still talking down on people who listened to Lil Wayne. The type of artists whose only source of media attention were such so-called forward thinking or alternative publications.

Thes One, of perennial indieground favorites People Under The Stairs [4], made an interesting post on soulstrut recently, the gist being that, while their new album Fun DMC [5] is well on its way to selling 10k, it hasn’t received a lick of press. Not even from XLR8R, a magazine I had just assumed covered People Under The Stairs exclusively, is returning their calls. As semi-deserved as the “hey gangsta/southern/poor people rap is smart after all” critical movement of recent years was, it’s now having something of a scorched earth effect on hip hop coverage in non-rap and half-rap publications.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ThugTears666 on January 12, 2009, 06:01:40 pm
you guys are idiots, BASICIALLY he knows he has shitty taste and admitted he knows nothing about music but then tried to justify it by naming some technical aspects of music by going like "oh i especially enjoyed the chromatic progression.......but i dont know anything" how can you not see it
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 06:33:10 pm
no I think he's a musician. I swear he's posted in MC before. he might genuinely enjoy CHORD PROGRESSIONS, I don't think it was a dodge!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Ryan on January 12, 2009, 07:26:20 pm
what the hell who says a song is good because of the chord progressions?

btw from what i've heard of Chinese Democracy, it has completely generic chord progressions, very little use of dissonance, and it is really very mediocre and predictable in almost every aspect. instead of having slash ejaculate over minor pentatonic psuedo-shredding now it's just buckethead jacking it to chugga chugga power chords.

if you want interesting chord progressions and use of dissonance go listen to big black or sonic youth, not GENERIC 80S BAND TRYING TO MAKE A COMEBACK
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 12, 2009, 09:28:16 pm
most of us dwell in reality you know where if you don't say "christ dude you can't think this" and insist on some kind of hugbox where everyone's opinion is equal and knowledge, context, history, depth, none of that matters it leads to very boring discussion.
I'm not saying you can't do that. I do this.
I'm saying the way in which you and several others do this is reproachable.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 09:38:45 pm
watch it pal your glass house cant take many more rocks.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dada on January 12, 2009, 10:03:54 pm
Best album of '08: Thelonious Monk - Monklonious.

EDIT: okay, I admit I just posted because of the discussion, but I seem to be too late.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 10:05:04 pm
get out of here dada. all the old black men died last year there were no albums for you.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dada on January 12, 2009, 10:08:39 pm
2008 was the worst year.  I can think of very little that is worth mentioning, and everything else I can come up with has already been mentioned.  Bob Dylan - Tell Tale Signs, which contains unreleased songs made during the recording sessions of his last 4 studio albums, is worth getting.

Could it be that I'm somehow getting bored with new music?
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Bonehead on January 12, 2009, 10:16:59 pm
@Ryan:  

On a happier note:
@Magical Negro: Firewater seem awesome of what I've heard so far (not much >_>) so I hope it's not your sister's band lol. Listened to Three Legged Dog and I don't know whether I should love it or hate it cause it's awfully accurate. Did they make all albums while travelling through countries or is it just the "The Golden Hour" album? >_<
Title: Best of 08
Post by: DS on January 12, 2009, 10:51:26 pm
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man what do you want. it's already twelve days past 2008, we've touched on most good albums (ODES ANYONE WANT TO TALK ABOUT AMADOU AND MIRIAM????)
omg dats cool i didnt know they had released an album in 2008 (also its mariam) but i really like dimanche a bamako so getting their new album.

the souljazz orchestra also released a new album last year i just got some days ago i wouldn't call it best of 2008 but it's p.good, doesn't live up to freedom no go die for tho.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dada on January 12, 2009, 10:53:59 pm
Have you ever listened to instrumental songs? Man, I'm seriously considering put a link to fucking Vivaldi's four seasons here cause it's ALL about the progression of the chords > the melodies > the lows and peaks of the song to capture the mood. IT'S WHAT MAKES THE (vivaldi) SONG TO WHAT IT IS. HOW HARD IS THIS TO UNDERSTAND?!
I can't speak for Ryan (the one you're directing this to I believe), but I think the point is that the concept of chord progression is just one part of a whole.  Try taking everything else away and see what's left.

"Yeah this song is absolutely horrible in every way.  The lyrics were written by a four-year-old, the musicians' instruments aren't tuned and it was recorded using the camera of a mobile phone.  But those chords?  Man, totally brilliant."

I can usually tell what blues standard is used in a song, but unless I want to study blues I don't see much reason in listening the music just so I can pinpoint its evolutionary roots.  Saying you're doing this because "you're a musician" strikes me as an easy argument.

Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 11:21:25 pm
omg dats cool i didnt know they had released an album in 2008 (also its mariam) but i really like dimanche a bamako so getting their new album.

haha you wad it was a fake post. whats funny is they hold the top position on metacritic but dr. thorpe was all "they are old blind musicians from mali and if this album doesn't do well they will return to a country where they have lived past the average death rate are you going to give them a bad review"

also as I said if you are truly fascinated by CHORD PROGRESSIONS there's really no need to advance beyond classical and jazz. Chinese Democracy looks like steaming horseshit next to Messiaen or Monk.

also I dont even remember posting about Firewater. I remember finding out about them in 2004 and then forgetting all about them till early 2009.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: DS on January 12, 2009, 11:23:46 pm
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haha you gaywad it was a fake post. whats funny is they hold the top position on metacritic but dr. thorpe was all "they are old blind musicians from mali and if this album doesn't do well they will return to a country where they have lived past the average death rate are you going to give them a bad review"
oh well haha. that still doesnt change anything i wanna hear the album :(
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Carrion Crow on January 12, 2009, 11:25:09 pm
i heard a song from the new metallica album on the radio today. i was lollin so hard because the lyrics are like LOVE..... LOVE... LOVE IS A FOUR LETTER WORD.. LOVE followed by chugga chugga drums and bass

This is actually similar to a song by Clawfinger. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=1c-vXf5aRL8  <--- I assume this is it because a certain M-Audio sound interface just crapped out on me.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 12, 2009, 11:25:27 pm
its actually pretty great especially since you know WHAT DO YOU HEAR OUT OF THAT REGION ANYWAYS.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Ryan on January 12, 2009, 11:35:12 pm
no one, not even musicians, listen to music for chord progressions. if that were true than they would find jazz terrible and repetitive because 99% of jazz is a ii-V-I. saying a GnR song is interesting because it follows an 'interesting chord progression' is bullshit and i am willing to bet it doesn't.

you know hwat does have a unique chord progression? sweet home alabama. that song rules it follows a I-VII-IV!!!!
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dark_crystalis on January 12, 2009, 11:40:47 pm
A few albums from 2008 that I really liked:
Esoteric - The Maniacal Vale (insane funeral doom metal)
Anathema - Hindsight (I'm an Anathema fanboy... if only they could release their album now)
Tiamat - Amanethes (a very pleasant surprise)
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 12, 2009, 11:47:22 pm
alright i was really bored so i decided to make a list of 2008 albums that i actually enjoyed (WITHOUT PITCHFORK!!!!!).


i probably forgot some shit, but you get the point.

edit: this is why i thought 2008 was good.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Bonehead on January 13, 2009, 12:48:08 am
I can't speak for Ryan (the one you're directing this to I believe), but I think the point is that the concept of chord progression is just one part of a whole.  Try taking everything else away and see what's left.

"Yeah this song is absolutely horrible in every way.  The lyrics were written by a four-year-old, the musicians' instruments aren't tuned and it was recorded using the camera of a mobile phone.  But those chords?  Man, totally brilliant."

I can usually tell what blues standard is used in a song, but unless I want to study blues I don't see much reason in listening the music just so I can pinpoint its evolutionary roots.  Saying you're doing this because "you're a musician" strikes me as an easy argument.
Might have been a misunderstanding but, I meant that instrumental songs are pretty much made out of chords, melodies and tempo/beats that either give you inspiration or trigger imagination (as in movie music for example) and I couldn't understand how he could say that no one listens to those songs because of that (since the first line was apart from the rest). Or am I way wrong claiming that I like how something manages to sound creepy, while with some extra tunes it manages to spawn pictures of a colorful plain filled with flowers (cheesy example, I know lol)?

Also, if you like a riff you like it. Do you have to say someone has a shitty taste or doesn't know anything about music just because he/she enjoys a particular genre instrumentally (which is - in big strokes - chords added together in a specific order)? Why are you so against people actually liking particular riffs or melodies in a song? Do I really have to explain why I like some chord progressions more than others?! And sorry for making this discussion all over again, MG. This is my last discussion in this forum since clearly, people here don't want people that can get content by just listening to riffs in the music forum.


also I dont even remember posting about Firewater. I remember finding out about them in 2004 and then forgetting all about them till early 2009.
I looked at your Listen.to thingie and found them there, man. Get updated with your own Listen.to thingie >_<

Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 13, 2009, 01:32:58 am
has anyone heard of MAX RICHTER he made an album of ringtones and I heard one it was the most ownage thing. got this off the best of 08 all songs considered podcast.

edit: other than toumani diabatte and this though the podcast has proved boring. SIGUR ROS! THEY HAD AN ALBUM! GUESS WHAT INSTEAD OF MAKING MUSIC FOR WHALES THEY MADE MUSIC FOR THE GAYEST WHALES ONLY, THE ONES THAT MAYBE MOVE BACK AND FORTH A BIT.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Wash Cycle on January 13, 2009, 01:55:08 am
has anyone heard of MAX RICHTER he made an album of ringtones and I heard one it was the most ownage thing. got this off the best of 08 all songs considered podcast.

edit: other than toumani diabatte and this though the podcast has proved boring. SIGUR ROS! THEY HAD AN ALBUM! GUESS WHAT INSTEAD OF MAKING MUSIC FOR WHALES THEY MADE MUSIC FOR THE GAYEST WHALES ONLY, THE ONES THAT MAYBE MOVE BACK AND FORTH A BIT.
yeah max richter makes some pretty sweet music but I had no idea that he made an album of ringtones. all I've heard is like ambient stuff that is mostly strings, piano and spoken word from him lol. I need to hear this
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dada on January 13, 2009, 07:45:48 am
Or am I way wrong claiming that I like how something manages to sound creepy, while with some extra tunes it manages to spawn pictures of a colorful plain filled with flowers (cheesy example, I know lol)?
This is the science of chord progression for you?  What you're describing is how musicians can evoke emotion through composition.  Which, you know, is sort of THE POINT OF MUSIC.  I cannot follow your train of thought if you go "music is emotion, ERGO chords convey emotion, ERGO chords are totally where it's at Q.E.D."  Saying that you're a musician and "just looking at things from a technical perspective" is a lame excuse.
Why are you so against people actually liking particular riffs or melodies in a song?
Who is?
Do I really have to explain why I like some chord progressions more than others?! And sorry for making this discussion all over again, MG. This is my last discussion in this forum since clearly, people here don't want people that can get content by just listening to riffs in the music forum.
Looks like it's time to clot all everybody together as "people" and then complain about "people" in general.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: church_gone_wild on January 13, 2009, 04:22:36 pm
marnie stern

yea man, i am listening to this right now. it's pretty dope. the cd title is pretty retarded though.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Ryan on January 13, 2009, 05:15:35 pm
chord progressions don't even mean anything. phrasing, dynamics, and chord voicing is what actually matters. playing a I-IV-V can either result in a SLOW BLUES SONG or a DOOM SLUDGE METAL song depending on how you apply those three.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dark_crystalis on January 13, 2009, 05:57:08 pm
chord progressions don't even mean anything. phrasing, dynamics, and chord voicing is what actually matters. playing a I-IV-V can either result in a SLOW BLUES SONG or a DOOM SLUDGE METAL song depending on how you apply those three.
Well to be doom sludge metal it would be wayyyyyy slower anyways. But what you're saying is still very true. Music is all about arrangement and interpretation man, not exactly about WHAT you're playing (ie chord progression). Hell, you can play a skank beat in pretty much anything, it just depends on HOW you play it.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 13, 2009, 06:48:59 pm
yea man, i am listening to this right now. it's pretty dope. the cd title is pretty retarded though.

other than some indie band i saw two nights ago, this is the first time i've heard a non-metal artist (an indie one at that) use so much tapping on the guitar! it's pretty sweet, and yeah I hate the title.


also: i think you're all misinterpriting bonehead because he doesn't know how to talk about music, or maybe he is genuinely dumb like that  :fogetshrug:
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 13, 2009, 07:18:33 pm
Angelo Spencer taps a lot
Title: Best of 08
Post by: dom on January 13, 2009, 07:45:27 pm
hugbox
Quote from: Magical Negro
how would you like it if there were just all these topics you couldn't see where people you didn't even know posted about how fucking funny it is that you can't hold a retail job or whatever you absolutely dumb motherfuckers found so entertaining about a nerd's okcupid.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: ase on January 13, 2009, 07:57:13 pm
i know we're already past this stage of discussion but i just wanted to add that

if chord progressions/technicality were what mattered most to you in music, you might as well just read sheet music for the THRILL OF IT instead of actually listening to audio *snorts 19 pages of dragonforce * ahhhhhhhhh
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Shepperd on January 13, 2009, 08:19:04 pm
chord progressions, lamo i am in pain of laugher
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 13, 2009, 08:28:07 pm



these are the same thing. discouraging negative opinions so no one gets offended and privately mocking people who dont even post. these are the EXACT SAME.
Title: Best of 08
Post by: Barack Obama on January 13, 2009, 08:31:25 pm
I love chord progressions