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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on December 30, 2008, 01:10:34 am
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you're all winners. 3 days.
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I can't even begin to decide.
EDIT - I don't think Hatsuya and S4D are the worst. They are just stupid or oblivious to it. Pepoke admitted to watching child porn but I'm not even sure that was this year. Eyesore was really, really bad but I think I have a bias towards Eyesore because he targetted me repeatedly and relentlessly via PM and IRC. Gutts/Aten is a TERRIBLE member. Achiro was an annoying shit but not the worst. Rone did have that one topic that is in Feces right now. Shepperd is disliked by some members here but I don't really follow the Music forum so... Dok and Mince Wobley I wouldn't call the worst because even though they may post crap, I like having them around. Don't really see why Ximinez is there and I don't know who Fiender is.
But it's down to Mog and BloodyAsura for me. But since BloodyAsura was short-lived, like Eyesore, I think I'm gonna go for Mog.
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did pepoke even post this year?
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mog
not only is he shit, he rolls in it
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two people self nominated, its pretty obvious to guess who.
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Sometimes I like to go to Game and Demo to look at the screenshot thread and you can guarantee that some fucking turdbrain has posted 1/2 a page of nonsensically formatted DRIVEL that amounts to FUCKING NOTHING and is REALLY REALLY ANNOYING.
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WHO IS THAT SOMEBODY
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mog said his spirit was broken when RMN decided he was no longer staff
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mog cause he is a funny guy
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whoa. why is there all these people on worst member?!
also, what is the story with mog, as far as i know, he pretended to be more cocky than he really is and got banned for it... is there more to it?
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actually you guys are completely right whereas S4D is an annoyance MOG is genuinely pathetic I am changing my vote!
(yourhero why weren't you nominated for best new member)
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WHO IS THAT SOMEBODY
Guessing one is Mince Wobley and the other is probably Dok
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tough call between mog, achiro, bloodyasura, shepperd, and drevean imo
mog wins due to infamy: he got a troubs album named after his catchphrase
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damn. it's impossible to post on this thread "someone posted a reply ahead of you" .... "3 posts have been made ahead of you" .
this post is mainly to make it harder for someone out there to post :}
(though also to comment on how popular this thread is)
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how are you guys voting for anyone other than inri.
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inri honestly isn't that bad anymore and is probably the best member from this list!
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inri made pretty swell songs for GW troubs.......
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are you kidding me?
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maybe im not visiting music or general enough but i dont think inri is particularily bad, especially compared to MOG
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yeah inri at least contributes to GW and seriously attempted to not troll for a month at least. can't say the same for many other names on here.....
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Guessing one is Mince Wobley and the other is probably Dok
no they were dietcoke and i guess cardinal Ximenex. who is fiender?
EDIT : Also inri's not that bad. His troll posts are pretty much just white noise and he makes cool music and is occasionally helpful.
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yeah inri at least contributes to GW and seriously attempted to not troll for a month at least. can't say the same for many other names on here.....
hahaha ase he just got banned for trolling! this is from his warn log:
have you done anything but troll for the past month
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haha that is pretty funny, but only because i phrased it incorrectly. i meant that earlier this year, he promised to not troll if he got unbanished (which he did for at least a month, i think, before he went back to trolling)
I didn't mean HAS BEEN MAKING GREAT POSTS FOR THE PAST MONTH
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Is Inri even Inri anymore?
Also Mog has been awful for a couple years now and then pulled the Dragon Warrior
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i feel like doing this:
BloodyAsura- posted a series of shitty writing tutorials in g&d, claiming to work for maxim magazine and thus being a professional writer. people rightfully pointed out his tutorials were awful (never once making reference to real literature and suggesting people watch anime and tv to write stories) and he flipped his shit entirely. he was the first person, I think, to say "go back to dying of cancer" to me. we later discovered he didn't work for maxim at all and if he did, was an office assistant. he threatened to sue TFT for forwarding penis pictures to his wife, and claimed to have contacted a lawyer. this was discovered to be a lie. left quietly.
The Notorious Mog- mog came into gw's mind about a year ago when he consistently posted in feedback topics. he was slightly annoying but constantly claimed he was just trying to help. he was given that chance when he was made a staffer. when konix suggested IGD and revealed the not so surprising fact that G&D is usually at odds with GW, mog took such issue that he threatened to quit if IGD was made. he was fired rather promptly. he spent the rest of his time at GW not so subtly entering topics and suggesting that people go to RMN instead. recently, Mog came on IRC and yelled racist, sexist, and homophobic insults before running back to RMN's IRC and claiming GW guys were coming to get him and that there would be a site war. the truth quickly came out with chatlogs (theres another way to read that heh) and Mog was destaffed at RMN and is currently persona non grata at the only two sites that even tolerated him. I don't think he's banned.
Mince Wobley- a troll who teeters on the edge of legitimacy. inri cheetoes has been called by almost everyone "the worst member on GW". often took positions that would almost seem legitimate to draw out people who said he was wrong, and would then dive off into horrible positions, dragging the topic with him. was banned today for trolling the Israel topic and calling Palestinians "monsters".
Achiro- just a complete fucking idiot. swore a lot, and not like "you're fucking dumb" but just "FUCK YOU IGNORANT NIGGER BITCH" constantly. would contact mods about warns and talk about how he would rape their moms and other such boring shit. banned
Silver4Donuts- horribly stupid member. making a copyright infringing version of Monopoly on RM, used to be called Monopolo, and none of the previous was a joke. is just incredibly dumb and believes he was nominated because he did not release Monopolo on time. still around.
Pepoke- hit on 14 year old girls. I didn't even see him this year.
Doktormartini- a lot like S4D. obsessed with the idea that eating "superfoods", a bullshit term made up by naturalists, he will live longer and better than the rest of GW. famous not only for trying to get a mail order degree in a topic called "DOKTORMARTINI'S WONDER EMPORIUM", where he claimed veganism cures Type 2 diabetes, but for quoting youtube as a legitimate medical source, blaming 9/11 on the jews, blaming himself for getting sick when he went raw food vegan instead of the diet (although oddly enough not trying again later), claiming a miracle blue algae named spirulina would reduce cancerous tumors, forwarding anti mammogram literature all over myspace because of a study that discovered sick women who thought they had breast cancer who had mammograms were likely to be diagnosed with GASP breast cancer, and most infamously of all, foraging for dandelions in his backyard to eat. still, inexplicably, around.
Drevean- horribly conservative member who claimed he had superior knowledge to college students. often said incredibly dumb things. doesn't post as much anymore so I don't remember.
Gutts- best summed up by the fact I can count the number of times he's not been wrong on one hand.
Pipcaptor Hatsuya- horrible member who apparently loves hitler, makes shitty shitty posts, and is obsessed with Kamen Rider despite being in his early twenties. well-despised in G&D.
DJ Soup- makes no sense and likes to pick fights anyways. also, http://koti.mbnet.fi/mkor/sheppost/ a post generator from guana.
Rone Rivendale- fantastically ugly member, so bad looking he got omcifer nominated for worst avatar. his looks are nothing compared to his personality; see his horrible album release topic where he posted in music creation and horrified every single member who listened to his music, while claiming he was one of the best musicians he knew.
Eyesore- don't know
Fiender- don't know
Cardinal Ximenex- self nominated
DietCoke- self nominated
update gw wiki...
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Also Mog has been awful for a couple years now and then pulled the Dragon Warrior
oh yeah, mog tried to cover up and say I WAS TROLLING YOU GUYS THIS WHOLE YEAR, I NEVER CARED ABOUT ANY OF THIS, not realizing this was not much better than his already shitty presence. this was pretty much revealed to be fake when he got himself fucked up in RMN for the same shit.
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I nominated myself so G&D would not forget. :)
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its hard to emphasize this but I would like to say ATEN IS JUST STAGGERINGLY DUMB. like, it wasnt that I couldn't think of bad posts by him, they are almost all bad posts! don't forget to consider him in your vote.
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thanks steel.
some of those people really shouldn't be up there imo though.
dok for being hard core vegan?? what?
i think DJ soup's posts have been good as far as i've seen. opinionated? maybe, but i don't think that's a bad thing. what's with the generator?
how old is pepoke?
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dok is aggressively stupid and gullible and will believe anything as long as it fits into his worldview. this is a huge character flaw! shepp posts a bunch of nonsense half the time because his ideas are bad (MUSIC THEORY.....FEH IT KILLS THE SOUL *ignores the fact that his favorite musician knows shitloads of theory*) and his english is worse. also he's a snob
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last i remember pepoke is like 16. his profile says 15 so i'm going with that. i don't remember him posting anything in the last year the last i remember is his topic about giving up masturbating because it's sinful and how he was addicted to porn and he made fakes of celebrities.
also he said that his opinions would never change ever that he would always have the same exact set of values.
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Eyesore was really the worst but that was so short term that I'll have to go with Mog, because he was AROUND more.
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thanks steel.
some of those people really shouldn't be up there imo though.
dok for being hard core vegan?? what?
i think DJ soup's posts have been good as far as i've seen. opinionated? maybe, but i don't think that's a bad thing. what's with the generator?
as panda pointed out any summary is flawed. neither dok nor shep will TALK to you. if you tell dok not to link YOUTUBE to prove the supposed medical benefits of his bluegreen algae, he cannot do it (the last time he tried, I do not kid you, he linked to a study that even said at the bottom FUNDED BY A SPIRULINA DISTRIBUTOR). the context of the cancer comment was he said GET A SECOND OPINION (a second opinion is one you use to REPLACE your primary opinion, not supplement, and it's dangerous to seek a real second opinion from a non-oncologist) FROM A NATUROPATH, despite naturopaths throughout of all of history having never cured any cancer.the sheppost generator is funny because if you confront him on ANYTHING it reads exactly like that: in short, "I'm too cool to get angry and you're dumb for caring about anything (because I, the great shepperd, don't)."
both of them deserve to be up there.
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also he didnt just call dok a vegan. he did that whole thing with mkk which was pretty creepy and jews did 9/11 and also MAMMOGRAMS CAUSE CANCER. this is all terrible!
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i'da voted for dok but he is just ignorant while mog is actually annoyingly stupid
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oh yeah he tried to e-date mkkmypet when she was 13 and he was like 19 and said AGE...DOESN'T MATTER.
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i didn't think sheppard was snobby- especially not compared to a lot of other people on here.
so basically dok is a bad member for being bad at debates/not backing up his arguments?
compared to people trolling a bunch or bloodyasura's hilarious maxim thing i don't think these are worth being up there. i guess that's why there is such thing as voting.
okay. i'm gunna vote bloodyasura because i think it'd funny that it was proven that he didn't work at maxim. also cause he got angry over someone sending pictures to his wife. i think if you post on here and you're married, your SO should be able to have the humour to laugh at that.
i do have slight sympathy for him though.... :\
...oh well!
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aawe, i definitely have more sympathy for mog, especially after seeing the votes.
maybe he was more of a dick than it seems by just reading the brief summary, but in the end i think this award is really juvenile.
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It's pretty obvious headphonics and magical negro have some kind of vendetta against me, so I'm not really surprised to see my name here.
Anyway, eyesore was still the worst, mog was smalltime.
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My hatred burns like an eternal lake of fire
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yes it is incredibly juvenile, but we love to hate here at gw! also no dok is a bad member because he tried to seduce a 13 year old and thinks there's a global jewish conspiracy. also, tries to get convince women not to get mammograms. idk i think this is usually a chance to vent at people who annoy us all.
also see this is an example of a bad post courtesy of aten. i do not think i have the capacity to harbor a vendetta against an internet person and in truth the only time i think of you is when i a) see you make an almost confoundingly dumb post, or b) when i am asked in earnest who i think is perhaps the worst gw member. i do not have any feelings about you beyond "hes the height of brainlessness" if you want to know the truth!!! this is the problem with gw you know; you can't just say you think people are stupid without them thinking you have some kind of grudge or obsession with them.
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oh, so you're gutts! For some reason i never put your name together with your idiot posts, all i saw was that stupid grinning robot avatar
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Make sure to mark Gutts as Aten.
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It's pretty obvious headphonics and magical negro have some kind of vendetta against me, so I'm not really surprised to see my name here.
Anyway, eyesore was still the worst, mog was smalltime.
based on the summaries steel wrote, i'd say you probably got in some debate with him that pissed him off more than anything else the other people up there have done. my guess is that panda was a part of it too?
@headphonics- yeah, i guess in good humour it's not a big deal. that's why i feel bad for mog..
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based on the summaries steel wrote, i'd say you probably got in some debate with him that pissed him off more than anything else the other people up there have done. my guess is that panda was a part of it too?
@headphonics- yeah, i guess in good humour it's not a big deal. that's why i feel bad for mog..
uh, you really don't need to get in a debate with Aten/Gutts to realize how stupid he is. It's enough to just be a bystander and watch topics unfold due to his interesting contributions (alternatively, look at his post history)
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BloodyAsura
Achiro
Drevean
Gutts
Eyesore
between these. mog's hilariously dumb, I think pepoke was like 16, dok's kinda annoying sometimes but I like his quotes, and I don't know some of those people.
eyesore was terrible but he got banned really fast. drevean (who was also flykite I believe?? I remember hating two members and then finding out they're the same person) was not only dumb but also pretty offensive, and he thought really highly of himself. gutts yes you are really dumb, it isn't just them.
this is tough!! I think I'm gonna go with drevean. but mog probably deserves to win this year
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i change my mind.
null vote, this award is dickslosh.
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also, tries to get convince women not to get mammograms.
But mammograms do cause cancer, just do a quick internet search you'll find dozens of articles on it!
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Guess I'm not the worst here, I'm surprised I only have one vote to my tally.
I don't really hate any of these people, but I'll throw my vote to Eyesore probably because whenever I looked around these boards I always heard his name and how annoying he was...looking back at that, he was. Not to say he's a bad person or anything, but I have to vote for someone...and is sure hell ain't going to be myself. Anyways, looks like Mog is going to win anyways. :cry:
Silver4Donuts- horribly stupid member. making a copyright infringing version of Monopoly on RM, used to be called Monopolo, and none of the previous was a joke. is just incredibly dumb and believes he was nominated because he did not release Monopolo on time. still around.
:laugh:
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I have no idea who I should vote for. Actually, I don't see any reason to vote for anybody up there.
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But mammograms do cause cancer, just do a quick internet search you'll find dozens of articles on it!
yeah, it's quite astonishing! 1 out of every 80 women who have a mammogram leave the doctor's office and get a call the next day telling them they have breast cancer. It's just disgusting.....
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voted for achiro because he was the most irritating
the alternative was dietcoke
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whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat
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I'm sorry, can I change my vote to BloodyAsura?
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There's a "Remove Vote" button in the lower left corner of the poll.
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There's a "Remove Vote" button in the lower left corner of the poll.
Yaaayyy.
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Wow, this topic boosted my self esteem!
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No man. You got to be popular to get in the vote.
Sadly only a few people that I had in mind made it to the list. But since you love to disagree with me I won't say anything else about that. GG rone, you got my vote.
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I have what, 10 posts this year? That's a pretty good impression I'm making. :P
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All you have to do is post once for your nomination to count!
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I have what, 10 posts this year? That's a pretty good impression I'm making. :P
try a couple hundred???
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Pip...you bastard! You voted for me! Well...right back at ya! :fogetshh:
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wow who nominated rave and dietcoke, are you kidding me!!
but yeah mog
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dioetcoke nominated himself....
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I just removed my vote on ya, Monopolo boy! Wail no more, dude!
*change vote to someone else*
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Sweet! Guess I'll add another nail into Mog's already loaded coffin. :welp:
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I changed my vote from mog to Pipcaptor Hatsuya
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It's a hard choice between Dok and MOG. I want to vote Dok because his of completely stupid posts, but at the same time, he doesn't post nearly as much bullshit as MOG did.
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It's pretty obvious headphonics and magical negro have some kind of vendetta against me, so I'm not really surprised to see my name here.
Anyway, eyesore was still the worst, mog was smalltime.
protip, bud: it ain't just panda and steel :fogetshh:
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Rone because of his 'album' topic. Ugh.
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Hey where's Nightblade in this list.
I thought a lot more people would be eager to see him up there!
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if you weren't there, don't assume!
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Gutts is just stupid and harmless, same with S4D and Pipcaptor. Mog was just plain terrible. Dok would be pretty dangerous (like health-threatening)if we ever had someone gullible enough to listen to him. Shep's really dumb/pretentious. Mog's the worst though, by far. The thing is he's so self obsessed he'd probably get a boner over the fact that we're even talking about him.
DietCoke was great and only losers vote for him as worst member.
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Hey where's Nightblade in this list.
I thought a lot more people would be eager to see him up there!
I am pretty sure I complained about him earlier this year and he got tempbanned and he has changed his ways a lot since then. I mean, the guy has released a full game (which was pretty damn good) and a demo of the sequel (I think) and he has cut down on just coming into threads and saying things to the effect of "BWAHAHAHA THIS IS SHIT" so I think he's a reformed man!
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LOL HALF THESE PEOPLE DONT BELONG UP THERE :P :P
no seriously idk who to even vote for.... hate 'em all...... :fogetangry: :fogetangry:
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DietCoke was great and only losers vote for him as worst member.
He was an absolute fucking douche bag. Seriously, people complain that Inri is too much of a troll, but he couldn't even hold a candle to the trolling that DC did.
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can someone tell me what makes cardinal jimenez bad he seems pretty white noise and harmless to me
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or you could read the topic and find out he nominated himself
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why is gutts so bad? I don't think I've ever even seen him post before and none of the explanations itt really say anything.
aten. he's the guy who said GW PERMABANS DISSENTING VOICES WAY TO GO when you banned bled for a day.
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why is gutts so bad? I don't think I've ever even seen him post before and none of the explanations itt really say anything.
all the explanations have basically said "dumbest guy on the planet". how's that not saying anything? he is like wackfiend except probably worse
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all the explanations have basically said "dumbest guy on the planet". how's that not saying anything? he is like wackfiend except probably worse
I am unsure about this, if wackfiend were still around I'm sure he'd be making Gutts look pretty ok D:
I miss ol' wackfiend...and Ancient, Ancient was a cool dude
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wackfiend was just ridiculously superficial and had terrible taste in everything, yeah?
that's kinda different from just plain out being dumb. it has whole load more negative personality traits that come with it.
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aten has terrible taste and wackfiend was also really dumb.........gap successfully bridged
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kaworu dude wackfiend asked us how he could forcibly evict his mom after he destroyed some of her shit with a hammer, he's incredibly dumb.
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also shoes or girl
and fake bus ticket HELP IM ARRESTED
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he blamed the bus pass on his brother too
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He was an absolute fucking douche bag. Seriously, people complain that Inri is too much of a troll, but he couldn't even hold a candle to the trolling that DC did.
nah its not that inri didnt troll as much but that he's a REALLY BAD troller. dietcoke at least makes me laugh
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I didn't say he wasn't dumb, just there was more to his bad character than plain old stupidity
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i never got why anyone gave a shit about mog. i ignored him and then when he started being dumb i banned him. mostly i thought he was kind of sad??? idk aten does not HAVE STORIES, he is just bad. he said he cried at the end of crisis core; everything he says is equally terrible. there are no isolated incidents because his entire post history is bad. it's one long story. marmot asked me why i voted for aten over mog but i just voted for who i thought made the most terrible posts. mog was just annoying and then dumb and bloodyasura HAS MENTAL ISSUES so it was between aten and like, DREVEAN or someone for me. i usually just vote for who i find most obnoxious.
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I'm annoyed by plenty of the people here but man, Eyesore was such a fucking pain! It was only for a short time but she was really just the most irritating person.
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I never really got annoyed by mog (just ignored him/didn't know enough to get involved), but I really hated BloodyAsura for being so arrogant, and Achiro for the fact that he exists. Voted Achiro.
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DietCoke was the funniest dude. don't vote for him!
+0:05 finished my first 20 oz can of natural ice, slight euphoria and an urge to smoke a cigarette
+0:25 finished second beer and took part in a "shotgun" ritual quickly finishing the third. Much more relaxed and have an increased desire to call people a faggot
I'm gonna make a movie called BRUNO where this 17 year old dude's 14 year old girlfriend gets pregnant and it's a 1.5 hour romp where he keeps trying creative and slapstick ways to induce a miscarriage by making her trip and fall and get hit in her bulging stomach. That'd be the funniest movie ever.
im not racist or anything but don't be surprised if some of that bailout money congress set aside disappears and the presidential escalade suddenly has a several thousand dollar sound system in it and the white house gets a new basketball court put in it
and his wife starts wearing a pretty expensive new headscarf with arabian jewels in it or some other muslim shit starts happening
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I'm going to go with Aten/Gutts, Mog may be worse, but Aten is really fucking dumb and I have never actually seen any decent posts from him.
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I'm going to go with evil bob, Mog may be worse, but evil bob is really fucking dumb and I have never actually seen any decent posts from him.
Stop trying to play the "dumb" card when you don't even have anything concrete against me.
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The only one I don't get here is christomopus. Who is that guy and why does he always seem to pop up around me? Maybe it was someone i knew and they changed their name or something.
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okay
I would like to add that I find it very rude of a game maker to make a game in his language and try to pass it off in an English forum. If I wanted, I could make my game in my language, (I'm not English), but I want people to enjoy my games, so I make them in a language that is universal and better yet, I would be able to post it wherever I want, be it a Japanese/Russian/French/whatever forum without fear that people can't understand it, cause hey, lets face it, unless you live under some rock in some third world country, you definitely know English.
This goes double for heavily story related games.
PS: _I_ live in a third world country and fuck, 90% of people here speak English, your place can't be worse off then mine.
(fuck i miss GWA)
fuck you, its only 10 pixels. i think a little leeway is allowed.
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okay
ok?
ok what? You're picking on me for living on a third world country?
I miss gwa, that makes me worst member?
a little leeway was allowed before headphonics became admin and changed it.
nice try.
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No Aten, I've been here a long time, a lot longer than you; I just got a little bit sick of hanging around in the RM forums whenever you'd come in and be like HEH... RM KINGS HERE, MOVE OVER... WHOOPS NO, CAN'T SHOW Y'HOW TO DO THAT (that and I've gotten sick of RM for the most part) and yeah you have changed a lot since then but w/e your posts are still terrible and you always seem to just be looking for a chance to show off your mad rm skillz or shit on gw AND at times you can be terribly anime which is a trait that just PERSONALLY annoys me. I don't know if this annoys anyone else but jesus christ it riles the shit out of me.
also:
Stop trying to play the "dumb" card when you don't even have anything concrete against me.
try your entire post history, bud
EDIT: I'm cuttin' this line off here before the topic majorly derails. Sorry dudes!
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i didn't vote for you, but yeah liking GWA makes you a terrible member. and no i'm picking on you for saying :MAKE YOUR GAME IN ENGLISH OR GTFO:
If no one at rmn bothered to make it for THEIR OWN event, why'd you think GW of all places would do it for you?
this thread is gr8
Did you just crawl out of a hole or have you never really played ZELDA: OCARINA OF TIME (most classic/famous/timeless game ever) before ?_?
Strangeluv.... this is a TECHNICAL support forum, not a place to discuss game ideas.... I don't really care, but if you start moving all discussion topics here, then, well...
if you can't code a simple scrolling feature, you should give this up.
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Ok i get the rm forum thing, I'm not like that anymore for one, and two, I don't even post there any more. But whats this about "being anime"? And whats this about "trying to show off rm skillz"? afaik, I never made a topic or anything other then when I had games to show.
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if you can't code a simple scrolling feature, you should give this up.
You forgot to mention the part where I made a fully working simple version for that guy. You're the one who looks dumb now alec.
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I caught up in votes!!! Does this mean I'm going to win via comeback?  â€‹
Poor Mog...I feel bad for voting now. Oh wellz...if I win I'm going to use this award to unplug my toilet.  â€‹
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Why can I not nominate Mr Big T?
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Me. nuff said. Don't worry I have shaved since the last you saw of me.
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what did you shave?
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people why do you vote for people like s4d or aten. they are just inanely dumb, like vegetables. they are harmless. there are more malign people out there
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excuse me, my vote should be anonymous. This is a democracy.
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For all the shit that Mog did, he never once threatened to sue a member over something trivial which blatantly never happened. Asura can't not get my vote here.
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Just letting you all know I'm still around.
And I don't know how any of these fools are standing up to me. I had to vote for MYSELF!
::shakes head:: You had your chance GW...
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I am pretty sure that WIP said that Mog was never staff at RMN, he was contributor or something, and probably self-claimed himself as staff. That or I've misunderstood what WIP said completely! Anyway yeah, Mog's constant trolling and RMN advertising was annoying as fuck, and he gets to be the worst member of 2008.
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Hahahah I hate Mog to no end but Aten has convinced me! At least Mog is gone!
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Mog was just a sad man fighting a war that didn't exist.
I voted for Silver4Donuts because he hasn't released Monopolo. Unforgivable.
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people why do you vote for people like s4d or aten. they are just inanely dumb, like vegetables. they are harmless. there are more malign people out there
Because all the people that are really malign like eyesore don't last long, and I assumed Mog was winning by a landslide anyway.