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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Bled on January 06, 2009, 05:13:06 pm
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Don't know how much longer this video will be available, but read the article and watch it here (http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Video_shows_police_shooting_man_laying_0105.html).
Two videos showing a Bay Area Rapid Transit police officer fatally shooting an unarmed, cooperating 22-year-old man have surfaced, thanks to a vigilant teen and an anonymous cameraman.
According to officials, five officers arrived at a subway station around 2 a.m. in response to reports of fighting on a train. Officers handcuffed a group of suspects, and detained the soon-to-be victim, Oscar Grant III.
In both videos, though detained, Grant had clearly not been cuffed.
Mario Pangelina Jr., aunt to Grant's four-year-old daughter, witnessed the events leading up to the shooting.
"First, an officer grabbed Oscar by the neck and pushed him against the wall," the Oakland Tribune quoted her as saying. "Oscar didn't fight him, but he didn't go down either. He was like, 'What did I do?' Then another officer came up with his Taser and held it right in his face. Oscar said, 'Please don't shoot me, please don't Taser me, I have a daughter,' over and over again, real fast, and he sat down."
Footage captured by camera-phone-wielding Karina Vargas, 19, shows officers had detained several men. Over the proceeding minutes, officers become defensive as groups of yelling youths stand on the periphery and meander past.
At one point, a male shouts, "Yo, f--k the police!"
Vargas several times makes attempts to get closer. When her camera focuses on Grant, he is sitting with his back against a wall, surrounded by others in handcuffs. He holds up his hands, apparently speaking with the officers, when they force him to the ground.
Two officers struggle to turn him over, even as he appears to be strewn across another man's legs, when suddenly one of the men retrieves his gun from its holster.
At this point in Vargas' video, she turns to her immediate left and focuses on an officer wrestling another man to the ground. Then, the shot rings out.
This is honestly one of the most disturbing things I've ever seen. Right now the explanation is that the officer mistakenly drew his gun instead of his taser, but I think the video clearly shows that they had the man under control and the situation did not warrant even that.
Crazy!
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oh my god what does a taser to the face fucking do.
argh i bet it would like LIQUIFY HIS EYE jesus christ fucking cops.
edit: I mean that is apparently the proportional response even if you buy the gun excuse and that's still horrifying as fuck.
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whoops this isn't my taser! seriously that is such a bullshit excuse, how do you even make that kind of mistake?
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Seriously, he must have mistaken the gun for a taser unless he was mentally unstable. A taser and a gun look and feel quite the same, don't they? If he pulled it fast he could easily have grabbed the wrong one and fired before realizing his mistake.
The whole situation is weird, if not stressful when everyone around starting to yell and move towards the cops.
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Good God I didn't even think about a taser to the face. I don't know what would happen but I keep imagining someone clenching their teeth until they crack and EXPLODE or something.
The really terrible thing about the shooting though is that the bullet initially went straight through the guy's back and then ricocheted off of the ground and BACK INTO HIS LUNGS.
Also apparently there was a case like this a while back where an officer accidentally shot a fleeing suspect in the elbow when reaching for a taser and the courts didn't do anything about it, so this isn't the first time something like this has happened.
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Fucking po-lice seriously
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i've seen loads of videos of police in america just getting psychotic now, it's fucking HWEIFEWHfwnkfnelf95p2r'23. that kind of anger. this shit is a horror show.
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Aren't tasers and handguns shaped... totally different? how would you even mistake the two?
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Aren't tasers and handguns shaped... totally different? how would you even mistake the two?
I don't know anything about how the two might feel or be sized different, but a lot of tasers are shaped the same as guns.
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and i don't know much about tasers but why the fuck would you make them the same shape other than to maximise the chance that they might be mistaken for one another?
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I his defense really "I was only trying to torture him, it's not my fault I didn't put my taser in my gun holster"?
I'm guessing it's time to stop giving policemen tasers when they're using them as an excuse to shoot defenseless people in the back!
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tasers are shaped similar to guns because some of them "fire" and release a little roped taser, so it's so officers don't spend the extra second fumbling.
HOWEVER this is still complete bullshit no matter what because tasers are also way more bulkier and lighter if I remember right and even if he made a mistake HMM LETS TASE A GUY ON THE FLOOR.
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Aren't tasers and handguns shaped... totally different? how would you even mistake the two?
Figure #1
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/28418/tg.jpg)
As for weight, I dunno. I'm sure somebody will compare the two in an IN-DEPTH FOX NEWS ANALYZATIONS or something sometime soon.
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actually:
(http://gamingw.net/pubaccess/50022/800px-Police_issue_X26_TASER.jpg)
current police issue taser.
heh just pull out my laser gun OH SHIT
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I still don't get why police are given those considering how badly they use them, maybe your countrys homo?
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So... everyone who says "no way did he pull a gun by mistake" - do you think he shot him on purpose?
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i really wish just once after something like this happens the people watching would just go nuts and attack the police.
viva la revolucion
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they'd all get shot
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yeah i thought about that right after i posted it.
BUT... THERES MORE OF US THEN THEM..
"we must all desctruct capitalist oppressorss" -- the truth
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they'd all get shot
they'd prolly get tasered because the police would try to shoot them but as it turns out they are unaware of which guns fire bullets and which ones ZAP!!
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So... everyone who says "no way did he pull a gun by mistake" - do you think he shot him on purpose?
absolutely.
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yeah no doubt he was shot on purpose. You get some right derranged people joining the police who kill people for no reason at all *references Menezes case*
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Words cannot describe how horrifying something like this is. I...I just don't know what to say about this kind of shit.
Before you give someone both lethal and 'quite-possibly-lethal' weapons, be sure to analyze them carefully so that
you know for sure that they aren't mentally disturbed or unable to take a second to observe his surroundings.
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I am lost for words right now, this is sick. I have respect for police but what the hell..
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Well you can't discredit the entire police force just because of one idiot. But yeah he really fucked up.
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I couldnt see them actually shoot the guy in the vid the sight was blocked.. there were two guys laying down after the shooting so wasnt sure which one was shot either, was it the guy behind the female cop at the back? How much trouble is the police officer involved actually in? If I had to guess id say they will make him resign.
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Not to mention that the taser functions differently because of the safety on it. Seriously, how the fuck could this happen?
EDIT: Also, wait, I've used pistols, and you have to pull back the mechanism to load them. Now I don't know what the safety procedures for police are in the US, but here we'd only do that when we're planning on using the gun. This alone makes it very difficult to mistake from a taser.
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it doesn't matter what the fuck the tazer's shaped like. That asshole is supposed to know what he's doing and there is no excuse for that. If you're going to use a weapon on someone period, in any situation. you should know exactly which one you're going to pull out fuck cops.
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i really wish just once after something like this happens the people watching would just go nuts and attack the police.
viva la revolucion
gradualism= slave mentality
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Also like, I don't even know what I can say anymore but laugh almost. It's fucking surreal, this is not the type of world i'd want to raise children in ever. The last few weeks have admittedly left me feeling completely impotent about changing any of this shit in the world.
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yeah this is terrible i live near there.
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Your cops shoot people, my cops tasor us, beat us, then make us walk home barefoot in the middle of winter if your an Aboriginal. I prefer getting shot instead thank you.
Joking aside, the mentality behind the law enforcement these days is becoming more beat first, shoot later, then maybe consider asking questions. This is probably the result of having too much power, theres too many of them, or there is too little of them (corrupt cops aside), this is considering how many there are in comparison to the total population of the community they are protecting.
I've been to a police station before. Movies and games seriously grossly exagerate those places to ridiculous proportions. And they also have very tight budgets, where they end up providing for their own firearms and/or ammunition for example.
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america the police state
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This is some.. Do the Right Thing shit here...
Mookie? Always do the right thing
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You know how some people put phones in their fridges and only realize what they did when they find their phones hours later, inside the fridge? I think it's possible someone could mistake a gun for a taser like that.
BlackRaven: police officers often keep a round loaded in the chamber (with the safety on or just uncocked) so they don't have to do that
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I couldnt see them actually shoot the guy in the vid the sight was blocked.. there were two guys laying down after the shooting so wasnt sure which one was shot either, was it the guy behind the female cop at the back? How much trouble is the police officer involved actually in? If I had to guess id say they will make him resign.
there are two videos and in both of them it's quite clear that ANYONE being detained in either of them was being cooperative and not a single person was doing anything that warranted forced submission, much less drawing a weapon, taser or otherwise.
everything about this is fucked up.
and as for resigning, that is nowhere NEAR enough. There is absolutely no excuse for any officer in that situation to have drawn any weapon.
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So... everyone who says "no way did he pull a gun by mistake" - do you think he shot him on purpose?
(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/www.rawstory.com/images/other/oscargrant010109.jpeg)
Yep.
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Okay, even if he accidently pulled out his taser instead of his gun he still murdered someone. Whoops, you meant to get your taser out. Big fucking deal, you didn't. I wasn't aware there was a clause in the law that said "Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being, unless you do it by mistake in which case it's perfectly acceptable. Carry on"
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I wasn't aware there was a clause in the law that said "Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being, unless you do it by mistake in which case it's perfectly acceptable. Carry on"
actually, that's called involuntary manslaughter, i think.
haven't watched the video. these things usually make me sick to my stomach. i might watch it later.
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yeah i hadn't watch this earlier cos my little brother was around but i just did and that situation wasn't even out of control. i mean they had quite a lot of breathing room there, especially when the shit decided to fire his weapon. i've just got no faith in any police at all! FUCKING POLICE!!!
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Jamicus it's unfair to make a generalization like this because of a few people
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oh shut up. i don't know if you're stupid or kind of smart and just a bit of a prick but shut up either way.
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Do you even know how hard it is for Police, whether they're legit or not? Well either way I don't like these particular ones that this article is about.
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Fuck the police.
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Well, considering that in order to draw a gun, you have to unstrap like 5 different things, pull it out, turn off the safety, etc. I doubt there is ANY WAY this could be an accident, unless a) tazers also have the straps, or b) guns aren't strapped in tight like that in that area (I know where I am it takes a good 2-3 seconds to for a police officer to draw a weapon).
So yea, it's been said, but this wasn't an accident. Just some cops shooting a guy. fuck that.
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Even if he accidentally pulled out his gun instead of his taser, what reason would he have to taser the guy anyways? He was fully cooperative, so he deserves to get a taser shot to the face? Something is seriously messed up here.
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This Actually happened around where I Live, I think I heard that these were BART police, either way it sickens me. From the officers around here that I've seen, their guns look ready to be pulled out at a moments notice.
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So what did the cops write in their report shortly after the incident? Or did they not do the report because they saw someone had a vid recorder.
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That's terrible...why are tasers and guns shaped so similarly?
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That's terrible...why are tasers and guns shaped so similarly?
just to shake things up.
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Yeah, I guess we need something here in the states to make our policework more exotic.
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it's pretty sweet that camera phones have meant it's harder and harder for people to get away with stuff like this. it's a little big brotherish but i guess the power is still in the hands of the people, LiTeRaLy
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Wow this is terrible.
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Yeah man. And think about the ten or so witnesses. I can't even imagine how
I would feel if I saw someone just shoot another guy just like that.
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well thats the bay area po-po for you
nothing has changed lol
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Shit, do we really want people who can mistake bullets for electricity running around with authority. I mean if I was training to be a cop and the only thing in my training that I just couldn't get was TASER/PISTOL, would they still let me be a cop?
We're not paying them to DEFUSE BOMBS or anything, if you're gonna carry a gun and a taser around EVERY DAY I think you should know which is which.
Clearly the cops must've been panicking because they were afraid they were losing control, but shit they had better not get away with it.
edit: also when I went to watch the video the first thing i had to watch was an ad for joey from friends vs kramer
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I hope Burris kicks their ass in court. I have a lot of respect for police officers -- in fact, my friend's dad is one and he's a hard worker. Works horrible hours in the morning, and sometimes only gets 3-4 hours of sleep before he gets to work again. Not all of them are complete dumbasses like these, and it's pretty stupid to see them abuse their power like this.
We have weird fucking courts in CA though. I hope his family does alright.
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This story really pissed me the F*ck off. Honestly, I can not stand cops at all. I respect their job and what they do, however, I by no means like dealing with them. I have no need for them personally and honestly, if I felt threatened, I would mostly likely NOT call the cops. They serve no purpose in my life but I do understand that they are needed for obvious reasons.
With that said, how many blues did you guys count? They cooperated with minor resistance at most. As a cop, why the f*ck would you point a taser to the face? Forget the gun, what would happen if you shot him square in the face? The person even pleaded with them about how he had kids and that he did not want to get shot (who would). I completely sympathize with the victim man. I know the area got crowded but there were THREE people pinning him down completely. There was no need for a taser at all, and if he honestly made a mistake, admit it and face all charges and allegations buddy. I honestly think it was not a mistake. Why? Because of the whole tazer to face incident, they were friggin toying with him.
One question I asked myself is whether they saw the girl taking the video clip. If so, then yes it may have been an accident unless he knew the camera was not on him (no one is that stupid). If he did not see the camera then... WTF I WAS LOOKING FOR ANOTHER VIDEO TO REFERENCE AND LOOK AT THIS....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za1lRcSZJ10
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Wtf... Honestly what really makes me sad is if the situation was flipped the black face dude would get the book thrown at him.
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edit: also when I went to watch the video the first thing i had to watch was an ad for joey from friends vs kramer
I had this same ad and it was just really FRUSTRATING because I knew (and the website knows) that this is about to be this terrible video but HEY SEINFELD!!!!!!
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well thats the bay area po-po for you
nothing has changed lol
I believe it's known as the "Yay Area" actually.
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Wow. Why did he fire his gun. There was NO reason for that. At all.
Also,
http://current.com/items/89199297/police_assault_58_year_old_cyclist_in_denver_and_get_caught_lying_about_it.htm
This happened in Denver, and was kind of a pretty big deal. The police freaking slam this guys face into the ground, and pretty much just beat him repeatedly, all caught on tape.
Sad stuff.
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So apparently there was a pretty big protest about the shooting today and a police car was overturned, along with three or four other cars that were set on fire. 14 people were arrested and the officer who killed the guy resigned the day before he was supposed to be interviewed by investigators.
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here's are links:
http://www.mercurynews.com/breakingnews/ci_11401338
http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_11401111?source=most_viewed
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This shit is crazy.
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Man 2008 Rodney King dawg.
Normally I defend the cops because the job is pretty scary and the craziest shit always happens but WOW shooting an unarmed detained kid in the back is just... yeah.
I also liked this:
Last June, a Maryland district court found that an officer who shot a fleeing suspect in the elbow while believing he was firing his Taser was not guilty of violating the suspect's rights against unreasonable search and seizure.
What's Maryland teaching their officers? Clearly a taser is a 9mm!!
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This is pretty terrible news. This was either an extremely stupid oversight, or the result of some malicious intent. I honestly can't see why you'd want to shoot a man while he's down and compliant, though. Even if the police officer had some personal vendetta against black people, wouldn't he know that his career and credibility would be ruined for a simple moment of satisfaction? And if the whole "this isn't a taser!" story is really true, wouldn't he have taken the 0.5 seconds needed to identify his weapon as an actual gun? It's not like he was pressed for time. Jeez.
Okay, even if he accidently pulled out his taser instead of his gun he still murdered someone. Whoops, you meant to get your taser out. Big fucking deal, you didn't. I wasn't aware there was a clause in the law that said "Murder is the unlawful killing of another human being, unless you do it by mistake in which case it's perfectly acceptable. Carry on"
You have to remember, though, cops are given some leeway in what's acceptable/accidental or not. If they feel they are being threatened or something like that (even if they are obviously not), it becomes justifiable. Of course, this becomes kind of ridiculous, especially when you see officers getting off scot free for some of the more ridiculous stuff. Like this.
This bothers me, too, though:
Ken Epstein, assistant editor of the Oakland Post, who was finishing an article about Grant's death, watched from the 12th story of his office at 14th and Franklin streets as his 2002 Honda CR-V disintegrated in a roar of flames as the police continued to push protesters down 14th Street from the intersection with Broadway, smashing store windows and setting trash cans on fire.
The protesters were outraged that the officer involved had not been interviewed, he said, adding that he shared their anger. It was clear from the videotape that Grant was lying facedown and he hadn't been accused of a crime, Epstein added.
"I'm sorry my car was burned but the issue is very upsetting," he said.
Man, I really hate rioters. If they're going to set things on fire, set the RIGHT THINGS on fire. And it's not like setting things on fire is going to help at all. How would they feel if someone strolled into their driveway and set fire to their car? Pretty pissed, I'd bet. (Does insurance cover "riot damage" to your car?) This, along with the destruction of perfectly innocent shops, really flips my pancakes.
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I don't know if you guys have seen this but this is the clearest video available. (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=4ba_1231550246)
It's kind of surreal to me because everyone trained in state or federal firearm handling is taught "deadly force" which I can quote off the top of my head
Deadly force is that force that causes or that a person knows or should know would create a substantial risk of causing, death or serious bodily harm. It is justified only under conditions of extreme necessity as a last resort when all lesser means have failed or cannot be reasonably employed.
There's also the three rules of gun safety
1. Never pull your weapon unless you intend to fire.
2. Never aim your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot.
3. Never put your finger on the trigger until you intend to fire.
What the fuck are they training these cops? In the video you can clearly see the officer in the middle search the kid (who's detained and on the ground) draw his weapon, hesitate, then pull the trigger.
It's just too fucking surreal for me because he does it so mechanically. Everyone has their weapon holstered and he just SUDDENLY COMES TO THE READY takes aim and fires. This isn't a slip of the finger like I've seen in one video where a cop with her gun already pulled on a running suspect who was tackled to the ground gets excited and accidentally squeezed the trigger; this motherfucker literally drew his weapon with the intent to kill this kid.
It's like he was possessed or something. When he fired his gun, he looks up stupidly to the cop in front of him who shakes is head and is like "What the fuck... did you just do?"
Crazy shit. Hope that cop gets manslaughter.
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There's also the three rules of gun safety
1. Never pull your weapon unless you intend to fire.
2. Never aim your weapon at anything you don't intend to shoot.
3. Never put your finger on the trigger until you intend to fire.
What the fuck are they training these cops? In the video you can clearly see the officer in the middle search the kid (who's detained and on the ground) draw his weapon, hesitate, then pull the trigger.
It's just too fucking surreal for me because he does it so mechanically. Everyone has their weapon holstered and he just SUDDENLY COMES TO THE READY takes aim and fires. This isn't a slip of the finger like I've seen in one video where a cop with her gun already pulled on a running suspect who was tackled to the ground gets excited and accidentally squeezed the trigger; this motherfucker literally drew his weapon with the intent to kill this kid.
It's like he was possessed or something. When he fired his gun, he looks up stupidly to the cop in front of him who shakes is head and is like "What the fuck... did you just do?"
Crazy shit. Hope that cop gets manslaughter.
I agree. There's no reason for the weapon to be drawn, period.
For those of you (and the police going with this argument) on the fact that he "confused his gun and taser," let me ask you this:
Was there really a reason for ANY type of force at all?
This is something that's clearly abundant in a lot of "police abuse" videos and news reports I've been seeing.
I look at the videos of this incident... and I can clearly see that EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONTROL.
It's not like those people who are being detained are all like, "YO GONNA FUCK YOU POLICE UP" or "YOU CAN'T KEEP ME HERE ON THE GROUND" and it's not like they're BEING HELD IN PLACE, THEN TRYING TO ESCAPE.
All the people in the video are detained in a very calm and organized fashion. There's more than enough police officers there, with enough force and utilities ASIDE from tasers and guns... to handle the situation.
Even if the guy was moving on the ground, or fidgeting... is it REALLY necessary to USE A TASER? There was an ample amount of cops there... and the people being detained did not have any deadly weapons on them. At least, no guns or anything of the sort. So... I'd like to know how, in this day in age... it's even ACCEPTED that they even need to use the tasers.
Tasers are meant to be an alternative to using your gun in EXTREME situations. For example, say the guy DID GET UP and started running. THAT would be a good time to use the TASER to incapacitate him.
However, when you're on the floor, or just fidgeting on the ground... and there's about 3 to 4 cops hovering around as well... THERE SHOULD BE NO REASON to use ANY FORCE at all.
Police have enough training to restrain people without using devices such as tasers and guns. Guns should only be used if you feel your LIFE IS IN DANGER.
I highly doubt those people on the ground co-operating were such a HUGE THREAT to that cop who shot him. Hell, the fact that he was on the ground, immobile, isn't even enough reason to use your taser. And that's the point of my rambling:
This type of force SHOULD NOT BE USED unless in EXTREME SITUATIONS. And from what I've seen in this video, and a lot of other "police brutality" videos... there's excessive force and harassment from the officers, in situations that can be handled just by cuffing a person, or hell, even standing next to them.
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For those of you (and the police going with this argument) on the fact that he "confused his gun and taser," let me ask you this:
There's seriously an argument on this?
For those that have never worn a gun belt or seen an officer's gun belt, their taser gun sits on opposite side as their dominant arm. If you're right handed, your primary weapon will always be on your right side because firearms are made for left and right handers (determines position of magazine release and slide lock). Taser guns are designed for ambidextrous use meaning you can grab it with your weak hand and support it with your primary without switching thumb positions to compensate for a moving slide which would cut your thumbs if you didn't reposition your fingers.
There's literally no possible way this guy thought his gun was a taser. Absolutely none. The final nail in the coffin is that all police firearms have the safety on when they leave the station. This means he removed the safety at some point in the day (a gross breach in safety as the safety is never to be removed unless you intend to fire) or he turned off the safety when he drew the gun in which case... yeah MURDER. The video is still kind of blurry but when he draws his weapon you can see him hesitate for a second like his fidgeting something with his thumb (possibly the safety).
There's just no middle ground on this. It's pretty black and white.
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no there is no argument for that, thats what the dude said happened and he's probably completely full of shit
Edit: but yeah there are some ships that will hand out firearms for security measures and I'm going to have to go through small weapons training for that. But the abs on my last ship got guns and aren't even allowed to use them unless they've basically been fired at first and even then if the bullet lands on foreign soil (the ship is considered US territory) then you're fucked and its up to the host government to deal with you.
so basically what I'm saying is, if the US government can leave me hanging like that then this douche bag should be in jail right now.
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i just saw the video. my heart sank when the gun was fired. completely fucked up. is there anything on what's happening to the cop that did it?
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He resigned before internal affairs could investigate him. In 2 weeks Oakland will decide whether or not to press criminal charges, but if not, he's getting off scot-free.
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He resigned before internal affairs could investigate him. In 2 weeks Oakland will decide whether or not to press criminal charges, but if not, he's getting off scot-free.
and he better leave the entire state because if anyone finds out who he is he'll probably be gang raped in the street.
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Aren't tasers and handguns shaped... totally different? how would you even mistake the two?
Forget shape. They're very similar in that regard. The problem with the mistake explanation (other than it being the only explanation other than him wanting to randomly execute the guy) is that the taser is always on the side of the non-dominant arm to prevent cops from accidentally grabbing it instead of their gun. From what I've read, he was on the force for a while, so it's not very likely he would have made that mistake.
Maybe he just wanted to threaten the guy by pushing the gun into his body.
He resigned before internal affairs could investigate him. In 2 weeks Oakland will decide whether or not to press criminal charges, but if not, he's getting off scot-free.
Retribution is partly the reason for why we punish people, and it's a necessity because otherwise people might take matters into their own hands. If he gets off without being punished, that's exactly what's going to happen.
EDIT: maybe he had a severe undiagnosed psychological problem, like BPD.
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Dada, where have you been?
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Fuck the police.
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Dada, where have you been?
I shot some idiot kid while detaining him and had to lay low for a while.
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and he better leave the entire state because if anyone finds out who he is he'll probably be gang raped in the street.
Oh, people know who he is. His family has been receiving death threats, which is messed up because they did not kill the guy.
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I shot some idiot kid while detaining him and had to lay low for a while.
Oh god Dada shot idiotkid!!!!!!
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Officer Friendly charged with homicide and arrested. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/14/BART.shooting.arrest/)
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Heh, so he left town and came chasing after him, eh? Probably felt guilty otherwise I don't understand why he just didn't cross the border and leave the country.
Grant, a 22-year-old father, was killed on New Year's Day in a crowded BART train station.
GOD DAMMIT HE WAS A FATHER????
On one hand, I feel bad for the JOHANNES (this is a killer name right here). A police officer who executed an unarmed compliant black man who also was a father could go to federal prison on homicide. That's 20+ years of getting ass raped or worse, just straight up shanked or beaten to death.
This dude is fucked. Literally.
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I didn't want to post earlier because that video makes me pretty upset... but yeah this is pretty fucking disgusting. To watch a cop kill someone by shooting them in the chest while they're on their back laying on the ground with other guys pinning them down... that's fucking horrible and it makes me want to
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Officer Friendly charged with homicide and arrested. (http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/01/14/BART.shooting.arrest/)
*round of applause*
This makes me very happy to hear.
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he was saying I HAVE A DAUGHTER of course he was a father.
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he was saying I HAVE A DAUGHTER of course he was a father.
i didn't hear him over the kids shouting bloody murder
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"As this case moves forward through the justice system and all the circumstances of that chaotic night become clear, I fully expect Mr. Mehserle to be cleared of the charges against him," Miller said.
Thank goodness!
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it's in the OP.
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see i worry about this. "the circumstances of the chaotic night become clear". they're pretty clear to me, as in i could break them down step by step and place blame where it belongs. of course the trial proceeds as any other one would, but how much weight do video have as evidence? cos combined with the dozens of witnesses i would have thought it would be a pretty insurmountable case against.
i know nothing about the justice system - steel? let's hear those lawbooks talking.
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you don't need law books.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Wall_of_Silence
that's what's going to happen.
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i dont think i can imagine the officer being acquitted - i mean there is a video where you can see him subduing the guy in a position where he couldn't have really been a threat. the time between the officer drawing the gun and firing the shot is easily long enough for him to have realized that it was, in fact, a gun. there were like a billion witnesses.
anyway, this guy is probably going to get put into some sort of segregated unit when he goes to prison which is sad because while i wouldn't want him to be shanked, it would be nice if he were assraped a few times a day
edit: also i bet the oakland doesnt want to deal with the shit-storm that would result from his acquittal