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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Mateui on January 16, 2009, 06:19:51 pm
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Season 4 continues tonight at 10 pm EST on Space/Sci Fi Channel.
If you haven't caught up with all the episodes yet, I'd avoid this thread because you wouldn't want to inadvertantly spoil yourself and ruin the shock and excitement of such scenes as hahaha, you thought I'd reveal something. Seriously, go watch it yourself. With that said, any discussion about an aired episode does not need to be put in spoiler tags. If your country gets a certain episode later than the rest of us, just avoid reading the thread until you've seen that particular episode. The only thing that should be spoiler tagged is any discussion pertaining to upcoming episodes.. you know, actual spoilers.
Alright, now that that's out of the way, who else is extremely excited? (I know Rowain is). I'm really stoked and happy, but at the same time kind of sad.. I mean, when these next 10 episodes air that'll be the end of it all. It's kind of bittersweet. Luckily I feel like season 4 has been gaining a lot of momentum and these last episodes should be amazing. It'll be interesting to see how it all plays out. The final cylon, Kara's destiny, Earth, (and can Dualla just die already???)
Speaking of the final Cylon, anyone care to make any guesses?
Will it be someone prominent in the cast like Lee, Roslin, or Adama, or someone more in the background like Gaeta? Or will the writers throw us a curveball and reveal it to be Ellen Tigh or Zach? I honestly have no idea, but I am hoping that Laura is revealed to be Cylon. It would just work for me, but, on the other hand, it would also mess up the meaning of the Opera Visions and put to a question her illness and the fact that she was cured by Hera's blood. BUT, it'll definetely blur the contrast between humanity and Cylons, something which fits into the overlying theme of the show. Ah, I have faith in the writing. Whoever it is better have a satisfying reveal.
Ah, less than 9 hours now!
SO SAY WE ALL
:woop:
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I'm pretty damn hyped. I was late on the BSG train. I watched the whole series (up until now) last summer. I had hoped I'd be able to watch the whole series but then they decided to go all Spring 2009 so I had to wait like most others.
So by now I've almost forgotten everything but damn if I'm not really excited anyway. I really want to see where this series ends up. It has gone EVERYWHERE.
(Although Babylon 5 will remain my favorite this is certainly a close second)
One of the nice things about BSG was the commentary podcasts. I had a good job last summer so I watched episodes during the day and then at work at night I listened to the commentaries for the episodes. I hope they continue into the new season.
I probably won't speculate much though. I'm always so bad at speculation. I heard the BSG boardgame is pretty fun...
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might wanna put SPOILERS in the thread title, just as an added favour to hapless forum users.
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i didn't read your post matuei sorry but yeah i will be watching this. i don't have high hopes or anything, bsg has been more bullshit than not for a while, but i think they'll probably do something good with these episodes. i'll watch it tomorrow somewhere on the internet.
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I heard the BSG boardgame is pretty fun...
It's awesome. One of my favourite board games. Being a hidden Cylon is the most fun. Twice now I've convinced people to release me from the brig when I was a Cylon. I then got to brig my brother automatically when I revealed myself on the next turn. :laugh: Good times.
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DO NOT HOVER OVER THIS IF YOU HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEWEST EPISODE: So Ellen is the fifth Cylon
A pretty strange decision, but I'm willing to see where they go with this before making any judgments.
That was a really depressing episode. I was hoping for the final episodes to start off with a bang, but I guess that would have been inappropriate given the events of the episode before.
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hey because panda is a big dummy reiterating dont read the topic if you haven't seen the latest episode unless you are me (do not care)! xanqui's spoiler is basically WHO THE LAST CYLON IS (uh oh i've spoiled that they reveal this I guess) sooooo yeah that's kind of the crux of the last two seasons isn't it?
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hey because panda is a big dummy reiterating dont read the topic if you haven't seen the latest episode unless you are me (do not care)! xanqui's spoiler is basically WHO THE LAST CYLON IS (uh oh i've spoiled that they reveal this I guess) sooooo yeah that's kind of the crux of the last two seasons isn't it?
I have spoilerified it more better.
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that was a really dumb episode. the writers of this show don't know how to write people, just cliches. i dunno if it was always this bad? but pretty much everything that happened i couldn't take seriously.
i'm glad for saul though. that's nice.
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Yeah bits of the show were good but overall it was pretty mediocre. The characters are starting to collapse under the weight of their history. Early on I thought the series, on the whole, had pretty good characterization; or at least it wasn't afraid to show that humanity has a dark side, unlike most sci fi. This episode was just silly.
SPOILERS:
Adama's fight with Tigh was just stupid. FRAAAAAAAAAAAAK YOU. I couldn't take that shit seriously and I overlook a lot of admitedly bad stuff when it comes to sci fi.
Lee's time with Dee was just forced and smacked of PRECIOUS MEMORIES :) :). Like, it just felt stilted and utterly cliched of how couples FIND EACH OTHER again. Didn't see the whole BULLET IN THE BRAIN thing coming though.
Roslin's little breakdown. This was the least offensive to my sensibilities, but overall the entire episode felt a little silly and overdramatic.
I'd be lying if I wasn't really curious about how they'll explain this Kara thing. I couldn't even begin to theorize what the hell it all means.
Also spoiler about the final cylon.....
I honestly guessed it might be Ellen. PANDA doesn't believe me but I sort of figured it was a good possibility after Lucy Lawless (forgot her characters name) said the final cylon wasn't onboard the fleet at some point in season 3 (or 4, I forget which ep it was). Then midway through the episode they started talking about her again. I had my guesses on Starbuck (longshot, plus it'd be TOO OBVIOUS you know?, maybe Callie or Billy, but neither of them had any bizarre circumstances surrounding them, whereas Ellen just randomly showed up after the initial attacks on the colonies. Beyond that, i don't think any major characters have died and I didn't think they'd be SO GAY as to just make up an entirely new character for the final cylon.
Ultimately, and I mentioned this to panda too, it was disappointing but to a certain extent I dont see how you can avoid that. You hype a revelation for like SIX YEARS and when it comes, there's no way it won't let you down a little bit. BSG is, at this point, so ridiculously burdened with plots within plots within religious psycho babble that everything is starting to feel like a stretch. It's good we're on the final run now.
I won't lie though. I'll finish the series, and probably enjoy it for what it is. The production values are still impressive for TV sci fi.
Also I want to see if Eick and Moore actually have a way to explain that "Last Supper" picture. They've been running their mouths since it was released, saying ALL THE ANSWERS ARE IN THIS PHOTO, but even knowing who the final Cylon is, I don't see anything about it in the picture.
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Also I want to see if Eick and Moore actually have a way to explain that "Last Supper" picture. They've been running their mouths since it was released, saying ALL THE ANSWERS ARE IN THIS PHOTO, but even knowing who the final Cylon is, I don't see anything about it in the picture.
It's actually pretty obvious if you look at who is not in the picture, but should be. Ellen should be sitting next to Tigh, but that seat is empty. There is just a cup there.
Also, Ellen being the final Cylon is starting to make sense. It gives Tigh a much bigger role because he is the star-crossed lover of Ellen. It really brings out his importance.
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This episode was filmed during the writers strike as it was the last script that was fully written when the writers walked, so that may explain why some of you were disappointed with it. Personally, I really enjoyed the episode and the moment when Dee shot herself. (Did I call it or what?!) It was weird... this was the first time that I felt that her and Lee had chemistry and I started liking her character, when BAM! off she goes. Looking back on the episode Dualla's death really puts the whole situation into perspective. Her dying brings the most impact into the situation. I'm sure tons of civilians killed themselves after discovering that Earth was a wasteland, but to have Dee do it herself as well, someone who we've come to see as the voice of Galactica, it really shows you the gravity of the situation. I'm glad she died on her own terms as well, being happy one last time and leaving on a good note.
The reveal was a little disappointing to me, but I'll roll with it and see what happens. I await the explanation of Earth being revealed to be filled with Cylons, and what that means. I'm thinking that the final 5 aren't of the same generation as the other 7 Cylons who we've come to intimately know. My theory is that humans on Earth originally created the Cylons, they rebelled and fought with the humans and forced them off, leading the human survivors to travel off into space and eventually found the 12 colonies. Those Cylons took over Earth and lived there happily, until they were destroyed by nuclear weapons (perhaps some of humanity returned to exact their revenge). Over time, the people of the 12 colonies forgot about the Cylons and new Cylons were created. Those too rebelled, fought with their creators, but eventually signed the armistice and left. Perhaps the Cylons came to find Earth and their destroyed Cylon ancestors, finding the final 5 survivors - getting the idea to make skin jobs from these final 5, they created 7 models and then went back to the 12 colonies to get revenge once again. All this has happened before, and all of it will happen again?
Yeah, it's a stretch but that would explain how there are more than 12 Cylons since we saw other people in Tyrol's flashback when he was living on Earth. I'm probably wrong, but it's fun to speculate!
PS: I guess everyone wants to spoilerify things so I'll comply :(
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I don't wanna type up a long post, but I thought it was kind of a dumb episode. Really mediocre! FRAKIN.....FRAKIN SHOOT ME *drinks whiskey*. It has been doing this for a while, but it is always so tense/melodramatic and it feels completely contrived most of the time. I do not think the writers get that not every moment of the show has to be EDGE OF YOU SEAT INTENSITY...
But yeah it's difficult to take it seriously because the show takes itself way, way too seriously. Every moment is like that one with Tigh/Adama or whatever other tense, serious moments. If you have everything be like this, it loses its impact. Like I said, it feels contrived to me. Also, the final cylon is dumb, but I knew it'd be dumb. You can't string suspense along like this for over a year and not have it be disappointing. It never, ever lives up to the build up. This is why I am 100% positive shows like Lost will always be remembered as THAT ONE SHOW WITH THE GAY ENDING.
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I'm just going to spoiler everything so
the episode was so dumb. Dualla's large role in the start was a red hearing to make us think *cylon* and her death too. It was cheap and un-inventive. Even the EARTH IS LOST THIS IS HOW DEVASTATING IT IS (kills character) WOW WHAT A STARK WORLD shit was stupid. Roslin's reaction too. They went way to over the top to try and show how important Earth was to the fleet.
Tigh and Adama have had that scene probably 3 times in the show. the only difference was Adama drinking but that just kind of falls in with what I was talking about before, WHAT DEVASTATION, so much that ADAMA IS DRINKING!!!
The Kara thing was interesting with that Cylon who loves her backing off when he saw her body. And the planet being cylons was good too. But the final cylon being Ellen is a big so what. I guess that's better than Roslin or Adama or really any major character (I was really hoping Doc Cottle) but it's still uninteresting and her time from earlier in the show doesn't make her to be anything grand. Yea it was bound to be disappointing so what? the show started off good enough!
I'm rambling but what an awful episode
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i dont think it was a red herring man. like i dont think they wanted you do think she was the final cylon. if anything i think what they've been doing with kara is the big red herring.
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i actually assumed dualla was the final cylon when i saw her pop up first in the previouslies. i mean it could only be that or her impending death that the writers would give her a storyline, cos they do this all the time with the characters they kill off. if a background character is suddenly in the limelight for the first time in a while, they're probably about to die.
i can't think of anything i legitimately liked about this one. i'm kind of just watching it for the atmosphere, i guess, and it's funny to hear saul say things like "i didn't have the guts" and all that. actually, i do like saul. i'm watching for his story, cos i think it's a pretty good redemption story right now even if i do laugh at him sometimes.
roslin's breakdown was awful and really cheesey (she...BURNS all her broken dreams...she's so distraught she's even got to say "burn"...twice), so have adama's numerous breakdowns this season. what else. dualla stinks, she's only ever been defined by whoever her boyfriend currently is. i hate starbuck and i've never liked this storyline she's got with leoben with the whole "i forced you to be my wife and now you're actually kind of acting like you are" stuff. i don't get what they're trying to say with that, the relationship has always felt really exploitative and if the only justification they've got for it is this stupid prophecy shit then well that just don't stick for me!
i mean i couldn't even care that earth turned out to be a wasteland. cos who gives a shit? they were resting their hopes on some unrelatable mystical prophecy thing and what's so different about just finding another planet and settling down again? new caprica was only fucked up cos of the cylon situation and that's been resolved since they're all buddies now so they could even just head back there or find some nicer place. i think that's probably where the storyline will go, that the cylons and humans had to work together to find a new home, but there wasn't even a whisper of "so who cares if earth stinks? i was never religious anyway" here and it made all the characters seem really dumb to me. what happened to all the atheists.
it's a shame about that roslin thing cos i've always liked her character and enjoyed mary mcdonnells acting. olmos lost the plot a while ago.
basically, i don't really like this show but i'll stick around for the ending cos i'm also kind of dumb.
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You guys all sound like you don't have real blood in your main vein.
:welp:
There's a cool interview with Ron Moore where he discusses the episode: here (http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html)
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god i forgot he said that. what a horrible fucking line
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i dont think it was a red herring man. like i dont think they wanted you do think she was the final cylon. if anything i think what they've been doing with kara is the big red herring.
Well yea Kara for sure and I don't think it's beyond them to pull some 13th cylon shit for her still. But I dunno man... the jacks, the over exposure, when she looks at the photo of herself as a girl she says "sometimes I don't even remember that's me", she's humming too (boomer is always humming and the 4 had that song), and just that she died with a smile on her face that was "knowing", like she knew she'd be coming back. (Also I dunno if people knew that the 5th was going to be revealed or not but I did because comcast gives a little blurb about the show and it said "the 5th is revealed" so I was looking for it). So yea I feel like it was intentional.
Lost did something like this too, where in a series of flash forwards (they eventually switched from flashbacks before the island to flash forwards off the island) you think a character is out getting a stuffed animal, presumably for his about to be born son while his wife is in labor. But it's really both a flash forward (the baby being born) and a flash back(the husband getting the stuffed animal for some other baby). The thing is the flashback sequence has zero purpose (doesn't really develop the character or advance any of the story story) beyond tricking you a the beginning of the episode into thinking he's still alive after the island so they can make a big reveal at the end of the episode that he's dead.
I pretty much got this from the D thing in BSG and I think it is shoddy writing. We'll throw you some bones.... but can you trust us ;)??? Also the thing with Tigh and Ellen is funny because Passions (a daytime soap opera) had pretty much the same thing between 2 characters so not only is it unoriginal but it pretty much exemplifies what a lot of BSG has become, a soap opera!
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Well, technically it is a space opera...
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Nice spoiler job panda.
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hahaha what the fuck. how did i do that! well w/e that's not even really a spoiler, or at least not a big one.
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I hated how religious this show got. At first I thought they were trying to make a point that people put into such a dire situation would have to turn to religion or osmeting to stay sane but after the sixth character having VISIONS and hardly questioning them you gotta just think lazy dumb writing or really stupid characters.
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I don't think Kara is a full-blooded Cylon, but very likely a hybrid. There has been a lot of talk of Hybrids, and since the Cylons have been around for thousands of years, this doesn't seem too far-fetched.
If this is the case, then it means one of Kara's parents is a Cylon. But which one?
There's also a possibility that she underwent whatever process the final five went through to become Cylons. Maybe they were humans at first, but somehow had their minds manipulated or something to become a new species. Maybe Kara isn't one of the original 12 Cylons, but a brand new Cylon.
I hated how religious this show got. At first I thought they were trying to make a point that people put into such a dire situation would have to turn to religion or osmeting to stay sane but after the sixth character having VISIONS and hardly questioning them you gotta just think lazy dumb writing or really stupid characters.
Yeah, if at the end of the series they say something like "SEE? GOD REALLY EXISTS!" I'll be pretty fucking pissed.
I'm willing to accept that the religion is based around unexplained scientific phenomena, but we don't need "proof of god" bullshit.
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My theory about Starbuck is that she's a hybrid - probably the first Cylon hybrid to exist - and that her father is... *gasp* Saul Tigh. Their personalities clash because they're so similar, so it make sense that it'd be him. Plus, with him being in the military just like Kara's mom, it wouldn't be too farfetched if they met one another and hooked up at some point. If it's not him, then it's gotta be Leoben... but Saul fits better if she is indeed a hybrid, and the writers decide to go with this twist explanation.
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I don't think it would be Leoben because he seemed really freaked out by her. He seems to know everything he needs to know about himself.
I would like to know if Cylons age, because wasn't Tigh with Adama when they were younger?
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I don't think it would be Leoben because he seemed really freaked out by her. He seems to know everything he needs to know about himself.
I would like to know if Cylons age, because wasn't Tigh with Adama when they were younger?
Yeah, Tigh did look younger in that one episode when Bill got his own Battlestar (via flashbacks), and Boomer did show Six a photo on New Caprica when she was younger with her family...
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Yeah that's what I don't get either. Adama himself said SAUL WHEN I FIRST MET YOU, YOU HAD HAIR or something to that effect. Like, Tigh has clearly aged since Adama and him met. So, what's the deal, do only the final five age or something, or did all the SKINJOBS start as children and reach a certain point and stop aging?? Whats the deal eicke and moore, what's the deal.
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the deal is that they didn't decide tigh was a cylon until well after they had shown him as a younger man and now they've got to come up with an excuse
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I'm wondering in Tyrol's flashback (and in the other flashbacks) the only face we saw (apart from the cast) was a blonde girl. Or I didn't look too closely but that seemed like the only one. If "Earth" was a planet of cylons then it makes sense for them not to show too much (to hide a reveal about all cylons looking different on Earth or something). But, stupid conspiracy theorist that I am I'm wondering if the fact that she was the only other person we saw clearly she'd have some sort of significance?
Or am I just looking too much into these things?
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the deal is that they didn't decide tigh was a cylon until well after they had shown him as a younger man and now they've got to come up with an excuse
this is unfortunately the likeliest of explanations, though it'd be great if there was more too it!
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Ok, this is HILARIOUS:
WORST PRODUCT/COMMERCIAL PLACEMENT EVER: (HUGE SPOILER FROM LAST WEEK'S EPISODE!!!!)
In case the embedding doesn't work.. try http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=LW2_2ihIuzI
:laugh:
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I don't see it
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I don't see it
Weird, every single embedded youtube link seems to have stopped working. Anyway, here's the direct link to the video: http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=LW2_2ihIuzI
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NOT LIKING SEASON 4.5 SO FAR. Series feels all over the place, with too many little plots going around without anything really driving the series forward. We've found Earth and the Cylons are practically at peace with humanity. Sure, Earth is a nuclear wasteland and the rest of the Cylons still under Cavil are a threat, but neither of these things is really being explored. It feels like there's no CONFLICT driving the show forward like there always has been in the past, though the final minutes of the last episode started to deal with this.
Gaeta has turned into a little asshole and Zerick seems to be reverting to his old ways. The whole FRACTURING FLEET/revolution thing could be neat but the writers need to stop sandbagging and get a move on, I honestly don't give a shit if Callie slept with Hot Dog and Hot Dog is actually the father of her baby. Get dat shit out of my sci fi space opera.
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Yeah, last night's episode was more like a filler, the last comedic episode we'll get. Everything is going to get a lot darker from here on out. I find it interesting that Gaeta has always gravitated toward the person with the most power and is subservient to them. First it was Cmdr Adama, then Baltar, and now Tom Zarek. He really felt let down by seeing the faults of Adama who he once considered this god-like figure. Did anyone else get the feeling that the webisodes (Face of the Enemy) took place in between these 2 episodes? Chief was giving his plan in that meeting and Gaeta being pissed off makes more sense when you put it into perspective with what he experienced on that Raptor. Still, I really want Starbuck to punch that cripple in the face.
Speaking of Starbuck, I'd like for the show to explore more of her relationship with Anders. How does she feel about him post Cylon revelation? How does she feel about herself? I'm sure at least THAT will unfold in the next few episodes and I can't wait to see where it will go.
On a random note, I wonder what sort of drugs Admiral Adama is taking? I don't believe we've seen him use any sort of medication before so I wonder if this is a bad sign... how horrible would it be if he too had some terrible terminal illness and he passed away before Roslin? I kind of fear for him actually. He's going to be number one on Zarek's hit list. The plot of revolution has been done before on BSG, but I'm must more excited to see it happen in these circumstances. Tom I never liked as a character, but I'm liking the bigger focus he's going to get now. He really isn't all that different from Bill.
Where is Tory? I don't really care for her that much, but it'd be nice to know what's going on with one of the final 5? (Anders included). I'm assuming she's currently on the Baseship but what is she doing?
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actually i thought the latest episode was pretty good and i've seen people say filler about it and stuff but i liked it pace and it didn't take everything way too far like all of season 4 has up to now. i don't get the comedic comments, though. tigh was kind of giggly and happy and there was some of that g..gallows humour!!! in here but i wouldn't call it a jokey episode at all.
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I also want to add that we need more Doc. Cottle. That man is amazing and steals every scene he's in for me. He's far surpassed Doctor House on the entertainment scale. He just has the right balance between caring for patients and yet not at the same time. It's a hard balance to get but I think he has it.
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I always sort of liked Cottle even if he's a BIG OL DOCTOR stereotype, like a cross between House and McCoy from the original Star Trek. I also realized yeah, there are several characters who have just DROPPED OFF, like Baltar was only in one scene in the last episode - and it was practically just ARCHIVAL FOOTAGE of his earlier rallies. He was once one of the most important characters in the show, including one its best "villains", but ever since he was pardoned and took to living with those fanatics, he's sort of just become DULL.
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they just kind of have characters flow in and out as the story goes. baltar was in the first half of this season loads. it's only been two episodes back, i would wait until the end until saying characters just drop off cos you can't really tell midway. baltar will probably be coming in again soon whenever the writers feel like the time is right.
i mean chief was missing from like 5 episodes in the first half and in this one there was plenty of chief. there are a lot of characters, they come and go.
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Baltar has a propensity for waking into trouble and stirring it up further. You can bet that he'll be involved in the Zarek-Gaeta uprising in some way.
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EPIC
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mateui...
but fuckin. yeah that was pretty good!
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That was an awesome episode. I never thought we'd see Gaeta this way.
I really, really hope Adama and Tigh make it... Hearing Adama tell Tigh that it's been an honor serving with him was quite possibly one of the best moments in the series.
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EPIC
I completely agree...
I didn't see this episode before now because I heard somewhere that the creator suggested recording all the last couple of episodes and watching them in a row. Now I almost wish I had because the suspense is killing me...
Oh man this episode was everything I love about BSG.
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Tonight's episode - great! Laura's 'I'm coming for you' speech actually gave me chills. Awesome delivery. I'm glad that Zarek and Gaeta have been disposed of. Good riddance!
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Indeed. I had tears in my eyes multiple times during this episode. I'm a bit of a sucker for civil war stories and I really liked how it all broke down in the end. Civil war stories are great because they're usually portrayed so that there are good people on both sides (brother vs brother syndrome). Somehow I really liked the scene with Chief because that was a great example of if.
It sort of sucks that it'll end soon. But if the run is this good then it's alright with me I guess. BSG will get a place there in my greats of TV SF together with B5...
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I am so glad Zarek is dead now. He was such a dick.
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Yeah seriously, remember they freed him from the PRISON SHIP in like the first episode and he's been nothing but trouble since then. I guess this s the first time he was outright treasonous though. good riddance......
The Roslin speech was actually a little corny I think. So was the Adama being shot in BALTAR'S DREAM, like it really seemed like they did just to go LOL FOOLED YA XD and so they could feature him in front of the firing squad for the little teaser after the intro. Still, I liked these two episodes overall. I thought the very end of this one was very well done. I wonder if Anders survived too, though I'm sure he did (I doubt they'll just start the next episode with LOL ANDERS DEAD BTW)
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Rowain, you must have missed the preview for next week...
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I missed it cause people who upload shows don't leave those things on but if ya spoil it ima slit. your. throught. I'm pretty a med student like you knows what a slit throught does to someone >
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Hahahaha there's a 13th I dunno if I think it's stupid, predictable, or what. But yea.
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I didn't see it coming but it sort of makes sense. The final Cylon was going to be a letdown; we knew this. it's just that they DRAGGED IT OUT over five years so when you finally find out, it's going to be EH pretty much no matter what. Whoever they chose, you'd be mildly disappointed at the very least, because the big mystery is gone just like that.
So why not add a 13th that no one was expecting???? I guess Kara is probably the 13th then and they'll probably turn aroubnd and say SHES MARY and baltar is her son and he's jesus. Or something, these space operas always turn into a fucking bible story. This episode was good because they are finally just explaining shit. They guy that plays Cavil is a pretty good actor too and I'm glad to see him back in the show. Unfortunately it's convoluted as fuck and I don't know what the hell is going on because I haven't watched seasons 1-3 for over a year.
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Yea I agree that it isn't bad that they added another, it could presumably be someone completely unknown. Also this episode made me not hate the 5th being Ellen, and the distinction between the 5 and 7 actually means something now which I like. Also Cavil's character has started making sense and even though he had some shitty dialog ("I want to be... a machine!!!"), things like his sarcastic religious views and tormenting the Chief early in the show have a place now. I'm actually pretty content with where it is now.
Also the fact that god has kind of been left up in the air is nice. The prospect of the 5th being god always seemed like bullshit to me.
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What are you talking about I thought it's really obviously starbuck? I mean she all crazy and DANIEL WAS AN ARTIST (a boy's name so it can't be starbuck.... oh wait daniel's .D.N.A. got all fucked up by that dude lol)
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It makes sense that there are 13 Cylons since there are 13 colonies... wasn't it one Cylon per colony?
I had a hard time following what all was being said though. A lot was revealed, and I don't know if I caught all the important stuff.
Also I look forward to the day that there is a space opera that isn't based on some kind of mythology.
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What are you talking about I thought it's really obviously starbuck? I mean she all crazy and DANIEL WAS AN ARTIST (a boy's name so it can't be starbuck.... oh wait daniel's .D.N.A. got all fucked up by that dude lol)
I missed that about being an artist. But not because I'm a bad BSG fan. Also that doesn't really ruin anything for me I guess.
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yeah the whole episode was basically FOUR CHUNKS OF 10 MINUTE EXPLANATIONS, it mad hard to follow it all. But we know Starbuck did a ton of painting back in her apartment on New Caprica. Hell, Starbuck was a guy in the old BSG, I know the two series are unrelated but it might explain why they decided to make him a her for the new series. If Starbuck ISN'T the 7 model, then how the fuck are they going to explain how she died and resurrected I wonder?????
I liked the parts with Chief and Adama going over the damage to the ship though, I always sort of wondered how Galactica, which they said was 50 years old at the point when they were DECOMISSIONING it, had managed to survive multiple encounters with Cylon baseships and all the other crazy shit that Adama has put it through over the last four seasons. Well, turns out the ship is about to fall apart. The uh... moderate attention to the logistics of space travel is what got me into BSG. The need to find food, water, fuel, and materials for repair are all things that BSG has touched on at various point, that most sci fi shows (Star Trek etc) rarely do.
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Yeah, I like how the last episode touched on the idea that the ship itself is a character. It's Adama's baby, and with it being so close to the end of the series, there's no way to know whether the ship is going to survive.
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Did anyone else ever consider the possibility that the "dying leader" is not Roslin or Adama, but perhaps Galactica itself?
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No...?
It was Roslin, she had the visions and blah blah. They already found Earth and none of that matters anymore. Well, except for the opera house vision I suppose.
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this week's ep was pretty pointless but hopefully things will pick up next week.
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Really? I've got it downloading right now. I should stop downloading the 1.10GB HIGH DEF eps, it doesn't matter how SHARP it looks when it's just 40 minutes of people talking. I really like watching the ACTION PACKED eps in HD, because the production values on the show are really good, but it takes me all fucking day to download them because there are never as many seeders on the HD releases as the SD.
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yeah this one stank. i posted this elsewhere about it:
Yeah, this episode was dodgy as hell. I really have been liking where the story and the characters have been going recently and with a couple of exceptions, this undone pretty much all of what has been built in the last 4 or so episodes. I'll go through a couple of characters that actually annoyed me who are usually my favourites to watch:
Chief - voting to jetski the hell outta there. What? I thought that whole "I'm a cylon, I'm beyond caring..." bit was the first half of the season, bud. In the last three episodes you've been acting like that great old guy we all remember, but a new more intense version of him by having had yourself really challenged and emerging from the other end just as good as you ever were. But...since we needed some kind of suspense in this episode, I guess SOMEONE had to vote know with silly old Tory, I guess? I would rather have been a little bored than totally let down by Chief's character development in this one.
Baltar - This season Baltar has had about 6 revelations about how pathetic and selfish he has always been, and while that led him down the path of religion in the first half of the season, since Earth it has been seeming like he has been actually trying to be good for people - to be more honest, less petty and stupid about things. Tonight he was, while yeah AMUSING I guess, where he was at about 10 episodes ago. I mean yeah he did seem more sincere about helping people with the food and all that towards the end, but really we have hit this character note so many times now it feels like going backwards. James Callis being clumsy is getting dangerously close to being hacknyed, now.
Ellen - Well, shit. If this is how it's gonna be Ellen, you can fuck off back to the baseship. I liked you there.
Boomer - not so much anything she did. She's made a choice by coming to Galactica I am enjoying and I look forward to seeing what she's got in store in the next couple of weeks (i haven't read spoilers, or anything), but I was disappointed in how Bill's response was basically "Get that thing in the brig.". We're so past that crap. Hold her for questioning, by all means. In fact I would have loved to see a nice long scene of Adama and Boomer in a room alone together, working all her shit out. But nahhh, we've got Ellen-Tigh-Caprica love triangle hi-jinx to get to.
and Jane Espenson wrote this anomalous wreck? Huh.
Hopefully the weird reverse character development stuff will have disappeared for next week and we'll get the actual next step in this story.
Although, I did like the stuff about Galactica becoming a blended beast. This is obviously the show's closing statement, and I just wish we could have focused on that rather than what was, like someone said, soap opera level shit. I actually didn't mind Bill's wandering around the bowels of the ship looking all "what the fuck am i getting into..." because it just provided a cool visual representation of what he was thinking and especially since his conclusion at the end of the episode was "this is what we need to do.". He knows it's the next step - I just wish the rest of the episode could have focused on that rather than actually undermining that message with the entire final five plotline and Boomer's imprisonment - which was another move that reeked of plot convenience at the expense of character development.
Tigh, on the other hand, dug his heels in and told his family to get to fuck if they want, but he's not budging. Thanks, buddy.
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It was a shitty ep. after the first 15 mins I just minimized that sucker and listened to it while reading about stuff. I don't think I missed anything that wasn't pointless or yeah a step backwards
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Yea that pretty much sums up my thoughts. Ellen went from one character to a completely different one without any real reason. Everything in the episode felt disjointed or something because I didn't get why anyone was reacting how they did.
Also that hug and another Tigh Adama drinking scene... cool :rollseyes:
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Yeah jamie I agree with you on pretty much every point, especially the thing about Chief. The moment he said I SAY WE GO, I thought "what the fuck?" He JUST saved the fleet by preventing Galactica from jumping during the insurection, he accepted Adama's offer to rejoin the crew, and he's overseeing a huge repair detail ON GALACTICA. And yet the SECOND the opportunity presents itself, he wants to run? Like you said man, they just needed SOMEONE to be with Tory and he was the easiest one to fudge I think. It felt like a filler episode overall though. Just like Mark, I had it minimized often.
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i watched the mini-series again last night. it's cool how much bigger the world seems in that thing. i mean i know there's no indefinable quality to that - after the mini-series, it's a whole lot smaller! but it was like watching all these dickheads i've been watching for years except i dunno them at all!
the mini-series is not bad. it's different, aesthetically anyway
those cylons certainly were evil robot masterminds back then eh? with the way they've changed so much almost makes you think...ronald d moore never had a frackin idea what he was gonna do next.
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those cylons certainly were evil robot masterminds back then eh? with the way they've changed so much almost makes you think...ronald d moore never had a frackin idea what he was gonna do next.
Well that's pretty obvious isn't it? I think he's been fairly honest that he didn't have any huge master plan for the series. They apparently have writer's meetings and throw around ideas to see what sticks and seems awesome. When someone asks "How do we get out of this one?" they just go "We'll figure that out later. This is too good to pass up."
I don't really mind that approach as long as you know that's how it is.
I too liked the early episodes where the Cylons were a strange and unknown threat but the fact is they couldn't really do that forever.
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Well that's pretty obvious isn't it? I think he's been fairly honest that he didn't have any huge master plan for the series. They apparently have writer's meetings and throw around ideas to see what sticks and seems awesome. When someone asks "How do we get out of this one?" they just go "We'll figure that out later. This is too good to pass up."
I don't really mind that approach as long as you know that's how it is.
I too liked the early episodes where the Cylons were a strange and unknown threat but the fact is they couldn't really do that forever.
yeah i know. i don't like that approach i think it's dumb and leads to vague shit.
i just watched the new episode. i thought it was a pretty good episode. i will watch it again and see if i still think that.
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I liked the cold start. At least Kara's part. It was one of the better openings. It was more DOOM AND GLOOM but I really enjoyed the editing. The episode overall was another slow one, but one of the better slow ones to be sure, with some neat developments. I actually enjoyed the piano stuff too, and the final 3 episodes of the season should be good now!
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i watched it again and i think the entire boomer storyline was terrible which was a big disappointment cos i was looking forward to that. i thought the opening was really good, yeah. it just sold the changes that have been happening and how everyone is more or less dead already anyway. starbuck's storyline was pretty good this week, i liked her. i usually don't like starbuck at all.
battlestar galactica has never been a show about character - and it's taken me until recently to figure this out - but the characters get sacrificed for minor plot beats all the time and it is terrible. i don't actually give a shit about many of the characters anymore, and the ones i do i could care less about the next week depending on how they are written. why did boomer do what she did this episode? is she just pure evil now and that's it? great stuff. helo fucking her in the bathroom was dumb as well but they needed him to let her go so she could go on with her plan. stupid writing, and it's probably been this stupid for almost the entire series and i just missed it before.
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Yeah I was going to say this, I don't like episodes that delve TOO DEEPLY into characterization - because the writers will just FUCK THEIR SHIT UP without much of a second thought. It's why the Lee/Kara loveplot was so fucking annoying, it kept swinging wildly one way and then the other. Kara and Chief are two of the worst victims of the writers, Roslin and Baltar too, though Baltar can be JUSTIFIED a little in that it's in his nature to be wishy washy and a bit of a weasel. Honestly, Helo is one of the best characters because at least he's pretty FIRM - you can tell that he's a ROCK JAW DUTY MAN but if it comes between duty and Athena, he'd probably choose the latter. He's one of the only characters the writers don't really fuck with.
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I liked the episode. The part when Starbuck and her father where playing All Along the Watchtower was amazing. It gave me chills with how everything just culminated in that instant, and then I was shocked when the Cylons came up to her and she was sitting alone all this time. Great little twist. I really think that that was Daniel who she was talking to. The natural assumption is to consider an artist to be someone who draws/paints but music is an art so I think it fits. It would also explain why Starbuck died and came back - she's a hybrid like Hera.
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I liked the ep. I thought it was a good ep.
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I'm surprised by the number of slow episodes lately. You'd think they would want to get moving with the plot. Still, the last episode was good. Ever since Sam saw Starbuck in a bright light, it's been pretty clear she's some kind of Cylon.
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Hi gents and dames I have a leaked script fragment from the finale:
INT. ADAMA'S QUARTERS - LATE NIGHT
ADAMA is hunched up against the wall,
grimacing madly.
ADAMA
Boo-Hoo
[sniffs]
Wah-Wah...
He chugs some whiskey. It burns good.
FADE OUT
Wow looks like we're in for some more of that Adama-Drama.
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To Galactica. *raises glass*
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That was a good episode, I thought. There's a lot at stake now, and it's starting to feel like the end of the second act finally.
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ADAMA
Grrr. Argh!
Adama grunts and grits his teeth. Knocks over miscellaneous objects. Does something dramatically using one of the following: a paintbrush, a hammer, or an electric drill. Ed's note: is it possible to get some booze or pills into this scene? Just asking
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I thought last night's episode sucked unfortunately. We saw no repercussions to Chief at all (where was he this whole episode?), Boomer's personality shifted much too quickly, and I can't take any more Roslin/Adama scenes. There's only so much of the exact same scene that I can stand, and that particular scene has been far too overdone. I used to like them as a couple but now I dread every scene they're in together. I liked it when Laura was this powerful presence that was in direct contention with Bill and the power struggle that occurred between them constantly - now it's just her drugged up and him reading books to her and reminiscing about New Caprica and their log cabin. The problem is, we've seen them do this about half a dozen times already. BORING.
Just the fact that the show spent so much time on filler things aggravates me. We're so close to the end that they shouldn't be doing this. These last 2 episodes better be the best thing ever or else I'll be saddened by how much this show has fallen.
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(where was he this whole episode?),
he did have some scenes in this one but they were cut for time. i think yeah definitely other scenes should have been the cuts but apparently we're getting the extended cuts of all these episodes on DVD meaning we get to see a lot more of the backstory for the mutiny etc on DVD so don't be too hard on WHERE WAS CHIEF and all that cos they were there, we just haven't seen them fuckers yet.
but yeah this episode was like the last 2 a big mess and adama is a joke he should have died a while ago.
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I actually like how BSG shows everyday life in the fleet instead of being 24/7 fighting and killing. I also like the characters change during the show (faster or slower) instead staying the same throughout the series. For me the magic of BSG is that they actually show this everyday life and struggle of the characters instead of it being some thing that just happens, here have some more spacefighting.
As for Chief, why should every character have to be every episode? There are many characters and only limited time for them all. And I'm sure they haven't forgotten him.
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Yeah I didn't really notice Chief's absense but you'd think he would've had SOME part (that was important enough to leave in the ep) considering he was the one who let Boomer go. The fact that Boomer escaped with Hera seems to be one of the final plot points of the series, setting up some sort of FINAL SHOWDOWN, and Chief sort of just DOES IT and no one is the wiser!!
If nothing else, I've liked the last few intros, this one included.
Also Verne, when BSG gets down to "daily life", it starts to show just how cheesy and overdramatic some of the characters are. Everyone has enough emotional baggage to sink the Titanic and it starts to show when shit isn't really happening.
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chief is in the brig by the way. that's what he's up to.
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Is he? From what I gathered from the episode week ago no one knew it was he who helped Boomer escape and he just holed up in his room after hearing Boomer stole Hera. And he's propably stayed there dwelling in self-guilt ever since.
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no the deleted scenes put him in the brig and it's meant to be assumed since those got cut that he is in there.
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no the deleted scenes put him in the brig and it's meant to be assumed since those got cut that he is in there.
But what would lead us to assume that? Nothing. The writers could have easily had one character mention that Chief was cooling off in the brig but no one said anything! You'd think that Helo would be there yelling at him, or that Adama or Saul would have mentioned that it was Chief's fault. Not even the Cylons among the crew made a comment about it. For such a big plot point this late in the show, it was ridiculous that it wasn't given more of a focus or character reactions.
Deleting scenes shouldn't be an excuse for the diminishing quality of the show. If they delete them they should at least allude to what was deleted so it doesn't come out of the blue later on. For example, the scene explaining why Adama gave Baltar and his cult weapons was deleted (Adama had to decide between posting Centurions on Galactica for security, and Baltar offered him a human alternative) but this was never made apparent. On the episode that aired it looked like Baltar simply asked for weapons and Adama gave them to him... It just seemed so random when it happened on the show but had it have been explained properly it would have made more sense.
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ADAMA
I...I promised them hope.
ROSLIN/CYLON walks up to ADAMA, gun in hand. He doesn't look up, although we know he knows what's coming next
ADAMA
I...I promised them things would change!
ADAMA turns to look weakly up at ROSLIN/CYLON (hereby referred to as RO/ON as the Galactica's engines fail. STARBUCK weeps in the corner and we see a muzzle flash, the light bouncing off her face. The RO/ON walks away from ADAMA's body, towards STARBUCK.
STARBUCK
We thought we were safe. We thought...we thought we were fleet-footed enough to escape. We never knew that voting for Adama would have done this! Please *sobs* leave us alone. You were right! We were wrong! You can be our king, whatever you want, just let us live!
RO/ON raises her gun and fires. STARBUCK's scream echoes throughout the now dessicated hull of Galactica.
RO/ON
Hope and change...pah.
The RO/ON's face quickly turns into an old man's, before turning back.
RO/ON
I am no King...I am...simply obeying the market.
*Fades to a logo of RO/ON PAUL 08*
a lot funnier in my head. oh well.
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ADAMA
I...I promised them hope.
ROSLIN/CYLON walks up to ADAMA, gun in hand. He doesn't look up, although we know he knows what's coming next
ADAMA
I...I promised them things would change!
ADAMA turns to look weakly up at ROSLIN/CYLON (hereby referred to as RO/ON as the Galactica's engines fail. STARBUCK weeps in the corner and we see a muzzle flash, the light bouncing off her face. The RO/ON walks away from ADAMA's body, towards STARBUCK.
STARBUCK
We thought we were safe. We thought...we thought we were fleet-footed enough to escape. We never knew that voting for Adama would have done this! Please *sobs* leave us alone. You were right! We were wrong! You can be our king, whatever you want, just let us live!
RO/ON raises her gun and fires. STARBUCK's scream echoes throughout the now dessicated hull of Galactica.
RO/ON
Hope and change...pah.
The RO/ON's face quickly turns into an old man's, before turning back.
RO/ON
I am no King...I am...simply obeying the market.
*Fades to a logo of RO/ON PAUL 08*
a lot funnier in my head. oh well.
4/10
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try cracking a BSG trivia book sometime jeez...
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nice script fayget
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Welp.... next week is it, I guess it's actually a two hour (re: hour and thirty minutes minus ads) episode next week, which is good since I don't see how the hell they could wrap it up otherwise. Should be a good one too. I enjoyed this last episode mostly, except gat damn I don't really like Roslin. the actress always seems to FORCE everything, the scene with her getting into the fountain was just lame. I really liked Baltar's parts though! I'm not sure what the point of showing their lives on Caprica was, but I kind of liked it.
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Maybe they showed the Caprica parts to "promote" the new series. That's the vibe I got from it. And I agree, Baltar bits were awesome and Roslin bits sucked.
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as far as how these episodes have been quiet and just kind of shuffling along, i'm all right with that. i kind of like the idea of the end being more like they can't be bothered with all this shit, it's been long and hard and most of them have given up trying - that's an original kind of ending for a tv. and it would probably have worked well if the characterisation wasn't so scattershot for the past 5 or so episodes, and if so much important stuff wasn't cut out.
i definitely don't feel any sense of urgency about the finale. there isn't much at stake, cos there isn't really anything much left to do. most of the characters have been dead of then feet for ages, no purpose. i don't mean that in a derogatory way either, it's just the way the show is choosing to take. i'm sure we'll get a big fight and some screaming next week but that just feels like going through the motions. adama saying "let's get to work" at the end of the episode didn't come across like that old intense presence he used to have. it's more about not wanting to just wait around to die, so why not.
there's a good story in here somewhere. it's just been obscured by terrible writing and poor focus.
the finale could still hit the right notes. it can't make the last couple of episodes better, those episodes have had self-contained problems with characters, plotting and focus. they've kind of stunk. but the finale could still hit the right notes, letting the series fade out on a measured, intelligent kind of conclusion. maybe a little bit of hope, but any kind of victory for anyone at this stage won't mean anything. they can't make it mean anything in 90 minutes, considering all that's been done so badly before.
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Roslin getting into the fountain was the worst scene of BSG so far.
I liked the rest of the episode though. Adama was pretty awesome throughout, and I'm glad to see more of Baltar.
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Chief wanted to abandon Galactica like 3 episodes ago but in the last episode he was dragging Tory across the line to assist in Adama's rescue mission.
Though I guess this could be construed as feeling guilty about letting Boomer escape in the first place.
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It's.... it's over.
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I LOVED IT.
Can't type much more at the moment since it's past 1 am here and I have to go to bed now, but that finale was great. It definetely had it all - tons of action, cylon on cylon fighting, awesome CGI, happiness, sadness, people getting killed, things being wrapped up, and so on. I'm very satisfied with how it all went down. (SO much better than Watchmen that I saw yesterday...)
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it was as good as they could have ended all this dumb shit. some of the character moments were nice - it made me real happy to see helo, athena and their daughter happy. as for the rest, who cares.
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Thinking back, there really weren't any awkward melodramatic moments in the last episode.
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Angel's
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Angel's
That was part of the show since way back when Six kept telling Baltar she was an angel of God. I think a lot of people are getting pissed off about these words being literal all this time and they just can't fathom that the show would actually have supernatural beings in it after all this time, but it's really the one explanation that makes sense with everything.
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I'm not really bothered by it. I just think if you've got a show where you've got faster than light space travel, sentient machines and synthetic humans it's kind of a cop out having to explain a lot of the long standing plot questions with god who hates being called god in the last episode. THat's weak and I bet it only happened because the lead writer (Moore?) is gay for jesus. He wants to fuck a jesus.
It was a good enough finale though I enjoyed it.
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i havent watched this show since the first ep of the new half-season. better get goin. . .
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robots dancing. a warning from rdm. DONT MAKE ROBOTS!!!!!!!
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SPOILERZ SPOILERS SPOILERZZZZ
That was a great final episode. Yeah so it turns out there wasn't any GREAT mystery - Kara wasn't actually Daniel, she was just an Angel. And the whole Opera house thing only applied to a very specific situation where Hera would be in danger. I agree it was basically the best they could've done given the sheer weight of the MYTHOS at this point. I kind of saw the whole FINAL TWIST as the episode was wrapping up but it was still a coo ending. I guess it makes sense that a show all about cycles starts with a great premiere (33, first ep of season 1 i mean) and ends with a great finale.
farewell... sweet Galactica....