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Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: something bizarre and impractical on January 17, 2009, 01:19:25 am
ScienceDaily (Jan. 16, 2009) — The next time a loved one brandishes a virtual shotgun in their favorite video game, take heart. That look of glee, says a new study, likely stems from the healthy pleasure of mastering a challenge rather than from a disturbing craving for carnage.

URL: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090116073152.htm


Very interesting article and I want to know what you guys think about violence in videogames. Obviously this is not a new topic to GW, but there seems to be increasing evidence that violence in videogames doesn't correlate well to violence in society at large. As a gamer it seems that I am perpetually misunderstood by nongamers who think we are BLOODLUSTING PSYCHOPATHS or something because of the graphic nature of certain games. Some countries (Germany, possibly ?Australia?) take this further and flat-out ban certain games and heavily restrict others and this seems fairly radical to me.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Vellfire on January 17, 2009, 01:29:59 am
I think the violence needs to be there because it's fucking ridiculous when I can shoot and stab someone in a game and just NOTHING HAPPENS, but I think beyond what is necessary is just as ridiculous and bad.  I think the only games where the excessive blood didn't turn me off were Killer 7 and No More Heroes, because the blood was so...I guess NONrealistic and over the top that it was more an artistic choice than "let's add more blood and gore to this".  But to be honest, a lot of gamers ARE way too obsessed with gore and it's really disturbing and gross.  I do not understand these people, but you will routinely see people that go "Heh, gore?  Can't get enough.  This game just wasn't bloody enough.  Needed more gore.  I wanna rip brains out with my teeth and shove my fists through ribcages.  Gimmie more gore".  Those people are a dang problem.  There's a difference between people who like violent games or horror movies or something and the people who do nothing but excessively seek out more violence for no reason.

But yeah, I would say that more gore tends to turn me off to a game than if it had less gore with everything else the same.  I've still not managed to convince myself to play Phantasmagoria because of the clips I've seen from it (but I still want to play it because I've liked every other Roberta Williams game I've played, so I'm sure the game itself is fun).
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Boulvae on January 17, 2009, 01:37:18 am
I enjoy violence only when the atmosphere calls for it. In a Horror game if there isn't violence, or something then I just ain't feelin' it. (Violence in my case being anything, gore is but a piece factor I like to keep seperate.) Likewise in Fallout I enjoyed the violence because it was more comical then anything, infact it's only when developers purposefully go another level with gore that I take an interest in it (Dead Space).

Heack i'd have just as much fun shooting Robots that don't 'splode and just die quietly when you shoot them. Really the explosions and violence is really only appropriate for atmosphere for it to increase the experience (obviously if I shoot something fleshy I expect to see a blood splatter but I don't want to see the bullet hole, the flabs quivering from the impact, and puss oozing out as if it just had an orgasm, seriously thats just too much).
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Mr. Actionist on January 17, 2009, 02:02:18 am
On the topic of over-the-top violence, On the Rain-Slick Precipice of Darkness (ep. 1) was a great example of how that can be done well. I mean, hitting someone's head off with a rake or punching someone's ribs out of their body may sound gruesome, but the cartoon graphics just made it look awesome. I think that's the only occasion I've ever really sat up and said "wow, look at all that blood! wow, is that his ribcage?" or anything like that.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Vellfire on January 17, 2009, 02:20:05 am
I enjoy violence only when the atmosphere calls for it. In a Horror game if there isn't violence, or something then I just ain't feelin' it. (Violence in my case being anything, gore is but a piece factor I like to keep seperate.)

Yes, but there are a lot of somethings that can take the place of violence in a horror game.  Hell, I would consider horror games with no (or minimal) violence better, because they can't just rely on violence to get the horror factor out.  Typically I'm more grossed out by violence used for horror (because it tends to be above and beyond what is necessary) than I am scared by it, and there's not much of a point to playing a game that just grosses you out.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: hobo2 on January 17, 2009, 03:04:40 am
I don't really have a preference but when there are gore effects, I usually enjoy them because of the technical aspect behind the effects rather than the violence itself. For instance, in Duke Nukem 3D, I love blowing up enemies with the rocket launcher because of how the body parts flew but not because they were body parts. For another example in the same game, shooting an enemy near a wall caused blood to splatter on the wall and then run down it. So I was intrigued by the level of detail rather than the fact that it was blood running down the wall. I know that when blood is actually simulated in 3D and it flows, instead of being excited that blood is being more realistically simulated, I'll be more excited about the fact that there are fluid physics being used in a game.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Boulvae on January 17, 2009, 03:25:40 am
I too am grossed out by too much violence, or just plain weirded out. I mentioned I wanted to keep gore seperate when I talk violence here. But I agree most if not almost all the best horrors in terms of scares and you know, actual horror, had the most minimal required violence. Unless it's artistic or symbolic or whatever, I rather pass on it. Pending on style of the horror I either except it or reject too much.

Then theres violence which makes things convenient, for instance Knights of the Old Republic I can just go around be a dick, and kill everybody. It's easy, while being a good guy on the other hand was much harder.

It's how you do it that counts more so then just doing it. Plus too much of anything is a bad thing.

Duke Nukem enemies crushed under doors, I was always intrigued by that little detail, and was a little awestruck cause it was just, "woah that door got em' good". I've never seen such door crushing ever again... instead the gore factor is everyone that is killed by a door is gibbed.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: thejackyl on January 17, 2009, 05:58:49 pm
I should post one of the several articles Nintendo Power has ran about MadWorld.

Another game that is excessively violent. like No More Heroes, the violence is so over-the-top, it's more funny, than scary.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Evangel on January 18, 2009, 08:02:28 am
I agree on certain games being just over-the-top insanely violent, but in an almost comical fashion.  The Fallout games really introduced me to that.  Even in Fallout 1, I remember the first time seeing someone practically ripped in two by a Minigun, it was just laughably insane. 

Fallout 3 seems to try to take it to a more serious level, what with the slow-mo kill shots, but even that is pretty comical, what with a dude's head somehow falling off cleanly from the neck, or exploded into separate pieces, including eyeballs (which are searchable for items).

I really don't see why certain people are going to be uproarious about a video game doing that, when practically any action movie is going to do the same thing. 
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Warlin on January 18, 2009, 08:14:36 am
I really don't see why certain people are going to be uproarious about a video game doing that, when practically any action movie is going to do the same thing. 
The argument is that it's interactive so it's realistic. Not that it much matters. Well, I guess maybe in manhunt 2 for the wii or something. OH MY GOD I'M ACTING LIKE I'M CHOKING SOMEBODY. SO COOL.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Yeaster on January 18, 2009, 11:45:50 am
Violence and gore generally don't bother me. I don't think I've yet played a game that I thought was "too violent." And I don't know why, but video game gore cracks me up. No matter how realistic the game's graphics are, the over-the-top gore will always look cartoonish to me.

Or I could be just be a really immature person who still chuckles at VG violence, which is more than likely the case.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Vellfire on January 18, 2009, 01:42:02 pm
Fallout 3 seems to try to take it to a more serious level, what with the slow-mo kill shots, but even that is pretty comical, what with a dude's head somehow falling off cleanly from the neck, or exploded into separate pieces, including eyeballs (which are searchable for items).

man guys this does not sound very comical to me at all!!!

i mean like in killer 7 blood looks like RIBBONS or ROSE PETALS and shit, that's why i'm cool with that, since it's so far from being realistic that it's more artsy, i wouldn't consider actual gore that doesn't exactly happen like it would in real life very funny
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Boulvae on January 18, 2009, 06:24:11 pm
Trust me shooting someones head clean off with a 10 mm pistol, with their brains attached to their eyes flying across the room is ridiculous and wholley unrealistic (if it's a lasor they turn to glassy ahes with no blood, or no blood death). The humor is pretty dark, but it's funnier then that butler bot's bad jokes. It gets especially ridiculous when you get the perk that causes random violent explosions, then you can't possibly take it seriously anymore (it helps to keep the radio on).

Really finding any violence funny is pending on the style of violence itself, and just how much you take it seriously (or if your the type to unhealthily imerse yourself in the atmosphere of the game). I personally find dark humor funny because of how stupid it is or because of irony (or if i'm part of some club, and I get it kind of thing).
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: theHunter on January 18, 2009, 06:38:07 pm
I enjoy violence in gaming for the same reasons Vel said. But sometimes I really don't like games with excessive gore.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Ghost_Aspergers on January 18, 2009, 06:41:57 pm
Ah, the Bloodymess perk. Plus 5% damage and the ability to randomly destroy the arms, legs, and head with a single hit of any weapon on death. One punch that splatters body parts all over the place.

Then there are the critical deaths. Fire weapons turn you to burning ash. Laser weapons converting you to dust. Plasma weapons to radiated goo. Alien weapons to a fine blue mist.

Hell, even regular deaths in vats, with the slow motion and delayed sounds... it's all very serious business.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: jaller141 on January 19, 2009, 12:36:02 am
Personally I just enjoy games because they're supposidly fun.
Mirror's edge, Final Fantasy 7, Call of Duty 4, had little, if any, actual blood and gore in it... and they are some of the most popular games I can think of (that tons of people play.), while games like CoD WaW and L4D, it does little to enhaunce gameplay (and most people stick to CoD 4 over WaW because it has a more...)
FF7 is still a high rated RPG not because of its violence, but the story it gave us.
Mirror's edge had no blood (that I noticed) and it is one of the most thrilling experiences I have ever gotten from a video game.
CoD 4 has tons of customizability, face paced gameplay, and some of the hardest game levels I have ever played.
CoD WaW ofcourse has customizability, but because of its unfair perk advantages (Seriously, when I can kill 5 people within a minute while in laststand the whole time... there is something wrong here.) and its overcomplicated Levels (I play on Veteran, beat the milehighclub, but I can't even get off the first WaW level without losing interest in it...)
Games need to either touch on new grounds that are still considered "fun", or give us a ton of replay value in order to become effective (super smash brothers is a good example of replayability.)
I personally think games need more customization, without losing the feeling of balance throughout the game, like how CoD 4... Bombsquad is one of the perks that are unlocked almost right off the start, which gives you an edge against claymores... but it cost the ability to use C4, Claymores, or even rockets and newbtubes. (srry bout the long CoD rant... just its the game I have played the most out of the bunch.)
Dead Rising is the only game I think that benefitted from the Gore, and that was because I couldn't stop laughing after I impaled a zombie on the drill and used its limbs as a weapon...
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Vellfire on January 19, 2009, 01:01:10 am
Wait, Mirror's Edge is one of the most popular games you can think of?
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Saffriy on January 19, 2009, 01:12:04 am
mario wasn't famous for blood


think about it
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on January 19, 2009, 02:36:54 am
Anybody who plays games could have told you this. Except that the time they could have been using to analyze their own thought processes and put them to words is instead spent playing games.

There are exceptions though (I play chess for the bloodlust).
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: SpiralViper on January 19, 2009, 03:06:07 am
mario wasn't famous for blood


think about it

it was famous for the squashing of the proletarian goombas and turtle hippies underfoot whilst feasting on hallucinogenic shrooms and flowers of questionable origin

nintendMAO doesn't want u to know that tho  :fogetshh:
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 19, 2009, 03:09:13 am
uh if anything mao would want you to know that???
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Cirno on January 19, 2009, 04:50:15 am
To put into perspective how much I don't care for over the top violence and gore, I shot a park worker in the leg on GTA IV, and then I went in to go kill him, but when I got there I saw his expression and that he was in pain. I felt HORRIBLE.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: dom on January 19, 2009, 03:36:04 pm
To put into perspective how much I don't care for over the top violence and gore, I shot a park worker in the leg on GTA IV, and then I went in to go kill him, but when I got there I saw his expression and that he was in pain. I felt HORRIBLE.

hahahaahhaha look at you
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Eltee on January 19, 2009, 04:56:20 pm
To put into perspective how much I don't care for over the top violence and gore, I shot a park worker in the leg on GTA IV, and then I went in to go kill him, but when I got there I saw his expression and that he was in pain. I felt HORRIBLE.


what the fuck


also I personally like gore, but yeah, it doesn't define a game.

though some games I have trouble imagining how they'd feel without gore.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: hima on January 19, 2009, 05:58:49 pm
I think it depends. I wouldn't play Mortal Kombat if it weren't for the Fatalities :/
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Vellfire on January 19, 2009, 07:24:01 pm
I think it depends. I wouldn't play Mortal Kombat if it weren't for the Fatalities Friendships :/

fixed
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Bled on January 19, 2009, 07:57:49 pm
This is pretty interesting as I just read another study somewhere suggesting that the key element of successful games is the feeling of accomplishment after completing a particularly difficult trial, particularly if said gamer can work together with a friend to achieve it. 

I think the idea that lots of gamers are only in it for the blood and gore is an unfortunate stereotype.  There are so many other aspects of good games that do feature grotesque imagery that are overlooked simply because it allows you to shoot someone in the kneecaps and shove a grenade in their mouth. 

At best I think the amount of gore in a game should be considered supplemental to the key selling point (gameplay).  It's a nice plus that can yield satisfying results but it's not something that defines a game or makes it fun.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Boulvae on January 19, 2009, 10:33:16 pm
I don't know, Turok 2's Ceribrovore is pretty entertaining.

I think most of the games with violence in it is not as fun, because eveyone is trying to be gritty and realistic. I mean come on this is exactly the same thing with colours. Brown, grey, black, sometimes white, and with very bleak worn out faded colours of other kinds ooooh, neutral tastic. Realism taking precedence over fun.

If it's a detail thing then it makes sense, like in Halo you shoot an alien it bleeds a different colour, it doesn't bleed red it bleeds blue so it convinces me more that it's different.

(Mirror's Edge sucked, only the demo was good.)
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Sludgelord on January 19, 2009, 10:36:01 pm
fixed
i think you mean babalities.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Vellfire on January 19, 2009, 11:35:49 pm
i think you mean babalities.

those are great too but they're all pretty much the same, the friendships are all different


buy a sub-zero doll
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Cray on January 20, 2009, 08:14:57 am
man I have absolutely no stomach for gore, when I was 17 I thought thatI would tolerate it better when I got older, but now 10 years after that I still have no stomach for it. I hate gory movies and games, and even makes me a bit angry that some people actually enjoy gore itself. I feel bad for those who ket killed, let it be in real life, in movies or in videogames. Specially if it is in a gruesome way.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
Post by: Mongoloid on January 20, 2009, 08:58:40 am
Games should all be like the NFL blitz and the fighting games and stuff for SNES, where you had to put a code in to see blood. It was really something desirable when you had to do something special to get it.
Title: Video Game Players Love The Game, Not The Gore
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