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Title: PETA lol
Post by: Bizzle on January 28, 2009, 06:05:31 pm
So I don't know if any you guys have seen this, but NBC is refusing to air the recent ad PETA made for the Super Bowl this Sunday.

Why?

Well, because it's too hot.

WARNING! WARNING! WARNING!


So, what do you think?? I think for millions of kids who are going to be watching this with their families this could be a little inappropriate, but it looks a lot like a Victoria's Secret commercial and they show those all the time, right?

On another note, for my vegetarians out there, do you guys notice a difference in performance with someone who eats nothing but vegetables and someone who eats a lot of meat/fast foods?
Title: PETA lol
Post by: The Ghost on January 28, 2009, 06:18:30 pm
I think that study is a load crap to be honest. "Studies" can protray what ever outcome you want because they can be completely subjective.

I think those girls are pretty good looking though...
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Lars on January 28, 2009, 06:20:51 pm
I think for millions of kids who are going to be watching this with their families this could be a little inappropriate
:rolleyes:

the ad makes a shitty point though. anyone that pays any attention at all to what they eat, and that includes vegetarians, will have better sex than anyone who eats at mcdonalds three times a week.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: The Ghost on January 28, 2009, 06:27:58 pm
Lars you missed the whole add man, they're basically telling you to become a vegetarian. Vegetarians have better sex...
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Izekeal on January 28, 2009, 06:28:42 pm
*No actual studies were done to make this ad.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Farren on January 28, 2009, 06:35:34 pm
I hate peda so much

GOD I HATE FUCKING PEDA
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 28, 2009, 06:37:57 pm
vegetarian pussy/dick tastes better.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on January 28, 2009, 06:42:12 pm
vegetarian pussy/dick tastes better.

who the fuck cares unless it's nasty dirty it's pretty tolerable anyhow
Title: PETA lol
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 28, 2009, 06:42:37 pm
they should have veggie flavoured condoms
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 28, 2009, 06:49:43 pm
im treg if it doesnt taste like raw hamburger and bad cheese its not a good vagina.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Mongoloid on January 28, 2009, 08:32:25 pm
God I want to support them so much but they just have the crappiest most incredible way of doing things. Has anyone seen the ad about not drinking milk? They showed a bunch of women with udders because of the hormones and stuff. Which is a valid point, but they have to udnerstand that people don't like them to begin with, and they need to start with an easier going approach.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Vellfire on January 28, 2009, 09:54:19 pm
God I want to support them so much

Why?  They threw a ton of puppies into a dumpster, and I remember a story where they picked up someone's dog thinking it was a stray and then lied about it when the owner saw her missing dog on their website.  They protest at animal shelters that euthanize animals when they do the same thing.  Fuck, there are a million things wrong with PETA, there is no reason for anyone to support them ever.

I'm just worried that they have this kind of money.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on January 28, 2009, 10:01:46 pm
don't they want to rename fish to sea kittens?
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Massy2k6 on January 28, 2009, 10:04:11 pm
Idk what Peta is but that ad seemed way over the top for what they were promoting.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Kaworu on January 28, 2009, 10:04:16 pm
for all it's bullshit libertarianism, the Penn and teller Bullshit! episode on Peta was prettymuch spot on.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Kaworu on January 28, 2009, 10:04:35 pm
FACTORY FARMS <-> THE HOLOCAUST

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE
Title: PETA lol
Post by: FrostyPink on January 28, 2009, 10:08:32 pm
don't they want to rename fish to sea kittens?
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL EATING A FISH IF IT WAS CALLED A SEA KITTEN  :fogetangry:

personally, i wouldn't give a flying fuck. peta is SO full of shit.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Match Eater on January 28, 2009, 10:11:54 pm
Hm as I recall, zinc is very prominent in meats and is necessary for a healthy sexual reproduction system.

FACTORY FARMS <-> THE HOLOCAUST

THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE

Except the whole idea of the holocaust was to exterminate the "weak" and "sickly" within a civilization to boost its status to become a powerful, beautiful, and dominant utopia. I kill and eat fish/cows because I AM FUCKING HUNGRY!

Although I am apathetic towards PETA, and most activist groups for that matter.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 28, 2009, 10:18:14 pm
sea kittens was the funniest thing in the world.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: FrostyPink on January 28, 2009, 10:20:27 pm
if i ever saw a sea kitten, i'd kick its face off
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Cheshire Cat on January 28, 2009, 10:21:54 pm
You guys get really upset about some really inconsequential stuff. It's just Peta.

Advert's pretty sexist mind.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: FrostyPink on January 28, 2009, 10:24:34 pm
You guys get really upset about some really inconsequential stuff. It's just Peta.

Advert's pretty sexist mind.
But that's THE BEST BIT.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Match Eater on January 28, 2009, 10:29:45 pm
You guys get really upset about some really inconsequential stuff. It's just Peta.

Advert's pretty sexist mind.

Now that you mention it, sometimes I feel like PETA is just a bunch of trolls from 4chan.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Doktormartini on January 28, 2009, 11:21:11 pm
Vegans that hate PeTA represent!

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they should have veggie flavoured condoms
http://www.vegancondoms.com/ lol

http://www.dontspitswallow.com/cum_taste.shtml
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It will come as a disappointment to all you party people, but the surest way to nicer tasting splooge is clean living. Cut back on your vices - alcohol, cigarettes, drugs (except maybe for Viagra), and junk food. Word is that vegetarians, both men and women, taste better, so you may want to steer clear of red meat, fish, and dairy. Indulge in lots of fresh fruits and veggies, and drink lots of juice and water.
lol
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Ryan on January 28, 2009, 11:27:11 pm
man, do you just sit around and look that shit up?
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Match Eater on January 28, 2009, 11:29:49 pm
Who cares about the taste of cum, I shoot my semen where it belongs

In her ass

Also leave Doktormartini alone he is insecure about the taste of his sperms maybe.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 28, 2009, 11:32:01 pm
understand ryan its the only assurance he has.

also lol that ad is so bad but I can't wait for the meat enthusiasts parody ad it will be stellar and at least twice as demeaning
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Vellfire on January 28, 2009, 11:33:18 pm
for all it's bullshit libertarianism, the Penn and teller Bullshit! episode on Peta was prettymuch spot on.

This is really true, this is the one episode of that show where I didn't want to roll my eyes at them taking it a bit too far.

You guys get really upset about some really inconsequential stuff. It's just Peta.

Consider the fact that they can apparently afford a super bowl ad, and then you realize that enough people take peta seriously that they have a ton of money based completely on batshit insane people and still somehow a lot of people think they're completely legitimate because they have the word ethical in their name
Title: PETA lol
Post by: tuxedo marx on January 28, 2009, 11:34:16 pm
eat red meat puts hair on chest
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 28, 2009, 11:38:11 pm
i posted the vegetarian come thing dont jump on dok for it. altho jump on him for CARROT CONDOMS or whatever else, but the vegetarian thing is a pretty popular idea.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: crone_lover720 on January 28, 2009, 11:45:50 pm
oh yeah I forgot to mention he posted it before. it isn't a good thing to show pride in but I think he was making a joke.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: the_nackster on January 29, 2009, 12:15:02 am
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals

I slaughter innocent creatures and I enjoy it. I sometimes like to do it with my bare hands.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: headphonics on January 29, 2009, 12:18:03 am
LOL
Title: PETA lol
Post by: ase on January 29, 2009, 12:29:47 am
i posted the vegetarian come thing dont jump on dok for it. altho jump on him for CARROT CONDOMS or whatever else, but the vegetarian thing is a pretty popular idea.
i forget in what context you posted that, but if in non-ironic context, why would you bother posting it after reading

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While there's no scientific evidence to back these tips up, there are anecdotal reports and common sense.

I HEARD FROM A DUDE WHO KNEW THIS CHICK WHO SWALLOWS VEGGIE CUM
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 29, 2009, 12:53:43 am
yo how about I have a lot of anecdotal evidence too including personal experience? this is a really old thing that I brought up first half jokingly as DUH there's not much science behind diet and sexual fluid taste but then people were like "lol dok found a link heh" when its really a popular sex myth and it's not like he had to WORK HARD to find it.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: YourHero on January 29, 2009, 01:22:16 am
why are "pussy juice" "eat out" and "spunk" links in that article?
i didn't want to click them...
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Frankie on January 29, 2009, 01:31:05 am
Heh thats a silly ad.
Its sort of odd though, I mean its a superbowl ad, which they spent a lot of money on obviously, and it has very memorable imagery, but the message at the end makes the whole thing just silly and forgettable. How much does it cost to show an ad at the superbowl, its like millions right?
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Ragnar on January 29, 2009, 01:32:31 am
if I eat enough carrots can I turn my cum orange

or like turn it green if I eat enough broccoli and be like oh no it's the gak attack
Title: PETA lol
Post by: the_nackster on January 29, 2009, 02:16:54 am
I quote futurama:
Prof Farnsworth: Good news everyone! I payed to have our new commercial aired during the super bowl!
Fry: Impressive!
Prof Farnsworth: Err not on the same channel of course!
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Bizzle on January 29, 2009, 04:05:10 am
Heh thats a silly ad.
Its sort of odd though, I mean its a superbowl ad, which they spent a lot of money on obviously, and it has very memorable imagery, but the message at the end makes the whole thing just silly and forgettable. How much does it cost to show an ad at the superbowl, its like millions right?

Wikipedia says:
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In 2009, 30 seconds of advertising time cost U.S. $3 million due to the extremely large audience, typically more than 90 million viewers.

So, heh, yeah PETA's got some serious money. That's not including the cost of the models, editing, and recording that went into the making of the commercial, that ain't cheap either. So you could imagine they were pissed when NBC turned them down.

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PETA blogger Amy Elizabeth writes:

OK, I'll admit, it's not the Jonas Brothers eating apple pie, but it sure does drive home the fact that vegetarians make better lovers. And I'm pretty sure that most Super Bowl fans would find the ad a lot more appealing than the impotence and other not-so-sexy effects that a steady stream of chicken wings and burgers can have on their love lives.

lol
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Farren on January 29, 2009, 07:02:22 am
I don't know about anyone else but nothin makes me harder then thinking about eating a big fat juicy steak
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Dulcinea on January 29, 2009, 08:32:35 am
...Peta....we're making some changes.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Mongoloid on January 29, 2009, 08:59:25 am
I won't defend PETA, I support them for the good things they do, but if you don't like them it really shouldn't have anything to do with veganism/vegetarianism. If Ronald McDonald House turned out to be profiteering would you refuse to help kids with needs?

I don't understand how "heh I'm going to eat extra meat and kill as many animals as possible" is a better attitude to have than to do a poor job promoting vegan-ism, which really DOES help animals, health, enviroment, etc... If you can't even at least sympathize with animal rights, really it says a lot about you.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Match Eater on January 29, 2009, 11:20:09 am
I don't have anything against vegan-ism, I mean you can not eat meat if you want. But PETA isn't really doing a good job spreading the cause! I don't see them converting anyone. to them its more of a flaming war where the have to criticize and insult us meat eaters. Where is that going to get them?

But yes MMMHHHMMM YUM MEATS
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Vellfire on January 29, 2009, 01:40:48 pm
I won't defend PETA, I support them for the good things they do

what good things



what good things have they ever done ever, i cannot think of one thing


I don't hate vegans/vegetarians because of PETA, I just hate the fuck out of PETA
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Alec on January 29, 2009, 02:35:36 pm
why are "pussy juice" "eat out" and "spunk" links in that article?
i didn't want to click them...
if you hover over those links, you'll notice that "eat out" leads to a site called "cunnilingus tutor," and spunk leads to a website called "let's masturbate."

which is just hilarious.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Doktormartini on January 29, 2009, 03:18:28 pm
what good things



what good things have they ever done ever, i cannot think of one thing


I don't hate vegans/vegetarians because of PETA, I just hate the fuck out of PETA
They've gotten a lot of people to think about animals in a different way :)

But yeah, fuck peta, I like pit bulls!
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Vellfire on January 29, 2009, 03:35:48 pm
They've gotten a lot of people to think about animals in a different way :)

By calling animal shelters evil when they euthanize animals and supporting a ban on pit bulls?  This 'different' way of thinking is pretty fucking shitty!  What GOOD things has PETA done?  Tell children that their moms are murderers of bunnies despite the fact that the majority of moms don't have fur coats?  Threaten the children of animal shelter workers?  Let me know what it is that PETA's doing so well.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Dale Gobbler on January 29, 2009, 03:46:11 pm
What can I, as a 20 y/o american citizen do to help PETA's efforts? Would they have any offices I could visit to learn more about them? Where can I sign up to join? I would like you learn more about this intriguing organization.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Kaworu on January 29, 2009, 04:52:50 pm
What can I, as a 20 y/o american citizen do to help PETA's efforts? Would they have any offices I could visit to learn more about them? Where can I sign up to join? I would like you learn more about this intriguing organization.
first step to join PETA is you must be able to kill animals while at the same time protesting against kennels who put them down
you must campaign against animal-testing and then make some speach about how yuo need to use animal-products to live, and so the animals are sacrificing themselves for you to fight for them, by sacrificing we mean yuo killing about two thirds of all animals you take in to "protect"
you must generally remove any part of your brain which requires thought, because you're going to be killing lots of puppies and you shouldn't want to think about it.
Start a hate campaign against those who eat meat or animal products, because y'know they're all murderers who are deliberately torturing animals. While you secretly kill animals.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Kaworu on January 29, 2009, 04:53:23 pm
actually the first thing you need to do is get hold of an industrial freezer or something to store all the dog carcasses.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 29, 2009, 05:09:27 pm
peta hasn't gotten that many people to think differently, just to come out publically. come on guys this argument wouldn't fly if we were talking about GAY MARRIAGE or whatever, peta did not create a bunch of vegetarians and vegans and the idea of ethical food has been around for centuries. if there were no peta the number of vegetarians might be a bit smaller but more importantly the number of people who are violently against animal rights would be nil as peta tends to shoot themselves in the foot all the time.

like they have clearly copyright infringed on both Cooking Mama and Mario Bros on their games site. and then they are RIDICULOUS; the Cooking Mama game, instead of focusing on bad factory conditions or the health benefits of vegetarianism, has you crack open eggs full of dead chickens into a bowl. hmmm except no one has done this. whoops.

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If Ronald McDonald House turned out to be profiteering would you refuse to help kids with needs?

I don't understand how "heh I'm going to eat extra meat and kill as many animals as possible" is a better attitude to have than to do a poor job promoting vegan-ism, which really DOES help animals, health, enviroment, etc.

the RM House is not only not the only charitable organization, it's not even the best, and it's primarily funded by GASP McDonalds, could you really not think of a better organization? also the only person to make the first argument was nackster, for which he got warned.

eric maybe...politics is not binary??? or should we just rename you to the erictruth?
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 29, 2009, 05:11:51 pm
gonna cut everyone off and say yes I know gays are genetic and vegetarianism isn't but put in something else that people advocate for that would be around anyways. idk, planned parenthood?
Title: PETA lol
Post by: maladroithim on January 29, 2009, 06:22:20 pm
the Cooking Mama game, instead of focusing on bad factory conditions or the health benefits of vegetarianism, has you crack open eggs full of dead chickens into a bowl. hmmm except no one has done this. whoops.

As an aside, chicken eggs are a menstrual product.  There are other arguments about farm conditions etc but eating an egg is not the same as eating a chicken.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Vellfire on January 29, 2009, 06:35:03 pm
That Cooking Mama parody was fucking ridiculous.  BLOODY DEAD CHICKS FALLING OUT OF THE EGGS are you kidding me, the game didn't even work properly.  They also slapped Majesco's name right on it, they were lucky that Majesco handled it the way they did...but PETA apparently has enough money for superbowl ads so they would have fought it in court anyway.  I just like that Majesco responded in a pretty classy way and then PETA responded back with what was essentially "fuck you right now, but if you release a vegan Cooking Mama then we'll support you all of a sudden".

I also really liked the comic PETA put out about how intelligent cows are and how they can recognize different people, because this is bullshit and our cows can't tell me from my dad from my mom from my grandma from my dogs from cars.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on January 29, 2009, 06:39:26 pm
I also really liked the comic PETA put out about how intelligent cows are and how they can recognize different people

so can a fucking snake! jesus!
Title: PETA lol
Post by: maladroithim on January 29, 2009, 06:43:05 pm
I wonder if it is not the case the PETA's ad people are stupid, but that they are targeting stupid people with their gimmicky ads?
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Farren on January 29, 2009, 06:45:35 pm
dok.....the lazer is on your forehead.......run dok.....run.............................................................
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Dale Gobbler on January 29, 2009, 06:52:45 pm
I'm starting my campagin here. don't eat animals please. :)

Go Veg. get vag.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Lars on January 29, 2009, 07:48:13 pm
Lars you missed the whole add man, they're basically telling you to become a vegetarian. Vegetarians have better sex...
yeah i know its not serious and just GO VEG

but it's still a shitty point. the most unhealthy pieces of lard dont care what they eat and their diet includes a lot of meat. if they compared a non-junk fooder who is a carnivore (spore vocabulary here) to a vegetarian i bet there wouldn't be a lot of difference. idk

also match eater best new member 2009

edit: yeah i know im taking the BETTER SEX point a bit too serious but still.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Doktormartini on January 29, 2009, 08:00:46 pm
That Cooking Mama parody was fucking ridiculous.  BLOODY DEAD CHICKS FALLING OUT OF THE EGGS are you kidding me, the game didn't even work properly.  They also slapped Majesco's name right on it, they were lucky that Majesco handled it the way they did...but PETA apparently has enough money for superbowl ads so they would have fought it in court anyway.  I just like that Majesco responded in a pretty classy way and then PETA responded back with what was essentially "fuck you right now, but if you release a vegan Cooking Mama then we'll support you all of a sudden".

I also really liked the comic PETA put out about how intelligent cows are and how they can recognize different people, because this is bullshit and our cows can't tell me from my dad from my mom from my grandma from my dogs from cars.
http://www.farmsanctuarykidzclub.com/Visit/AboutCows.html
http://www.usask.ca/wcvm/herdmed/applied-ethology/articles/maternal.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article416070.ece
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0168159101001629

They're not super dumb!
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Farren on January 29, 2009, 08:11:18 pm
ppppffffttt

fuck peda I've done more humanitarian work than them. I've raised my own chickens and they had the best living conditions ever until they jump/flew over the fence that we keep the dogs in....

ways that my chickens have died from stupidity:

- first batch were chicklets that I had to keep in a cage until they got bigger. Got their heads stuck in the wiring and killed themselves
- Second batch got eaten because they "crossed the border"
- last chicken died a few days/weeks after hurrican Ivan from going to sleep and falling in a horse trough (bathtub full of water) and drowning to death. Amazingly the dumb ass thing survived an ENTIRE LEVEL 4 HURRICANE perched on a fucking bathtub but dies from that stupid shit.

dok face it, animals can be dumb as hell.

I didn't even keep them in a pen or anything. I've got a fenced in area with 2 acres of land or so for them to wander around and do chicken shit they are just stupid as fuck and get themselves killed UNLESS you keep them caged up!

Which I refuse to do because I don't like cleaning up chicken shit.

Keep in mind they were not really pets or even really domesticated unless you count my feeding them + giving them water domesticating them.

One chicken I had would actually attack anyone that walked in the fenced area, even when feeding him so yeah I don't think that is domesticated thats called being an ungrateful little shit chicken.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: dada on January 29, 2009, 08:18:18 pm
Organizations like PETA are polluting the mindset of people by acting like they represent the national conscience on food. Fact is, killing things for food is almost as basic a biological process as reproduction or photosynthesis, and telling people it's tantamount to genocide is not exactly very helpful to their cause. All it does is create sharply oppositive fringe groups who hand out pictures of animals on meat hooks at McDonalds.

What we need is to acknowledge that despite struggling to feed as many people as we are, we can't just ignore ethics.

By the way, vegetarians are definitively more healthy than non-vegetarians. It's not very difficult to see why. Vegetarianism is a conscious choice regarding health and nutrition; that means when you compare the two, you're comparing a group of highly health-conscious people to a group of partially (or barely, judging by the health of the average Western person today) health-conscious people. It's not even a fair comparison.

EDIT: even though these guys are kind of WEIRD too, this is the way you're supposed to do it http://www.partijvoordedieren.nl/content/view/129 (they have 2 seats in parliament).
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Lars on January 29, 2009, 08:34:02 pm
also lol i just remembered: my dad used to do medical research back in the 80s that required animal testing. more precisely: dogs.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: YourHero on January 29, 2009, 08:55:09 pm
yeah. a lot of my vegan friends do demo's around here to promote their cause. a lot of them are really disturbing and in-your-face. i think the majority of meat eaters would take offence to it and turn away and just label this movement as rude/crazy/annoying and close their mind to it.

although this commercial is obviously over the top and kind of stupid, i think it's at least a more positive look on vegetarianism/veganism.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Rye Bread on January 29, 2009, 08:57:43 pm
Considering PETA's usual style, I'm surprised they didn't instead put out an ad accusing meat eaters of being rapists.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: YourHero on January 29, 2009, 09:11:12 pm
Considering PETA's usual style, I'm surprised they didn't instead put out an ad accusing meat eaters of being rapists.

they should have. all meat eaters are rapists. this is scientifically proven. people need to know the facts.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Vellfire on January 29, 2009, 10:01:11 pm
http://www.farmsanctuarykidzclub.com/Visit/AboutCows.html
http://www.usask.ca/wcvm/herdmed/applied-ethology/articles/maternal.html
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article416070.ece
http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0168159101001629

They're not super dumb!

Yes they are man I own fucking cows I see how goddamn dumb they are every day no articles are going to change the fact that somehow in this huge herd of cattle not a single one of them is what I would call an intelligent animal.  The only shit on that kids site you posted that I have ever seen to be true are the physical things like laying down before storms, mooing when they lose sight of their children, having 32 teeth, and those types of things.  All of these psychological "cows having friends" things aren't the same thing as being SMART, animals naturally do shit like only be around other compatible animals and associating things with bad events, a lot of animals do this it's a really basic response.  Cows aren't brilliant, they're dumb as hell, they just do things that most other animals do too.  Man, one of those articles you linked to even said "cows are very sexual" as if there's anything unique about that.  Hey, I hear cows like to fuck, what amazing animals!

Also, I have never ever seen or heard of a cow responding to its name, or recognize a person.  Ever.  My cows see the same few people every day and they think they are all the same person.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 29, 2009, 10:07:21 pm
wait cows dont like to fuck. dont only dolphins and bonobos and humans like to fuck? what the hell, did dok find a furry vegan site.

heh bessy...you might wanna cover your tits *moans as he puts milk in a bucket*
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Vellfire on January 29, 2009, 10:36:45 pm
Holy shit I reread that section and let me just quote this article

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Dairy cow herds can also be intensely sexual. Webster describes how the cows become excited when one of the herd comes into heat and start trying to mount her. “Cows look calm, but really they are gay nymphomaniacs,” he said.

COWS ARE GAY NYMPHOMANIACS NOW LET ME SHARE MY SCIENTIFIC FINDINGS...
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on January 29, 2009, 10:47:42 pm
holy shit what, does this guy understand what going into heat entails?

the fact that ANIMALS FUCK has nothing to do with being intensely sexual.

oh god...those bees pollinating those flowers...UGGGGGGGGHHHH.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: Vellfire on January 29, 2009, 10:52:03 pm
Fucking is intensely sexual and animals associating with other animals that they get along with is intensely intelligent.  It's not like these are things that almost all animals do.

How do you take anyone seriously when they call cows 'gay nymphomaniacs', why should I believe this person when they say cows are so smart?
Title: PETA lol
Post by: xanque on January 29, 2009, 11:35:44 pm
I am a vegetarian myself, but I fucking can't stand PETA.  They are an awful, awful organization.  I hate that everyone assumes I'm a supporter of PETA when they find out I'm a vegetarian. 

PETA is evil.
Title: PETA lol
Post by: YourHero on January 29, 2009, 11:42:01 pm
yes!
"oh, you're a vegetarian? ...so... you're into PETA, eh?"
NO! not peta, you asshole!  :fogetangry:
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Post by: tuxedo marx on January 30, 2009, 02:26:40 am
hey you're vaguely socialist you're down with stalin right ?!?
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Post by: maladroithim on January 30, 2009, 04:16:02 pm
What we need is to acknowledge that despite struggling to feed as many people as we are, we can't just ignore ethics.

By the way, vegetarians are definitively more healthy than non-vegetarians. It's not very difficult to see why. Vegetarianism is a conscious choice regarding health and nutrition; that means when you compare the two, you're comparing a group of highly health-conscious people to a group of partially (or barely, judging by the health of the average Western person today) health-conscious people. It's not even a fair comparison.

This!  I am . . . like 99% vegetarian (I don't avoid meat for ethical reasons really but I never want to eat it unless I am at a sushi place or something) and since I started eating that way I have been in excellent physical shape and overall health.  I could give specifics but they don't really belong here!

I don't think it is unethical to eat meat or anything, but some factory farms etc are pretty inhumane.  Most animals are stupid but like . . . they can still feel pain.
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Post by: benos on January 31, 2009, 10:05:05 am
Fish is good for you. So what the HELL is wrong with you PETA.

Fishing is good family time values, and waking up early as a excuse. Protein.

Wonder what PETA will think up next?. Ban Zoos.
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Post by: Vellfire on January 31, 2009, 01:28:39 pm
Uh PETA is already against zoos (and having pets (and pit bulls (and cooking mama)))
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Post by: xanque on January 31, 2009, 03:17:32 pm
Also PETA kills a shit load of animals.

At least farms use dead animals for food.
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Post by: Vellfire on January 31, 2009, 03:55:04 pm
Yeah.

"Sure, we'll find homes for these puppies...*kills them in the van in your driveway*"
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Post by: kentona on January 31, 2009, 07:19:16 pm
wot about Plant intelligence, huh?

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/10/veggie_intelligence

Plants think too, in their own way!
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Post by: Doktormartini on January 31, 2009, 07:55:43 pm
I'm against zoo's but I'm not against owning pets what the fuck.
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Post by: Vellfire on January 31, 2009, 08:32:32 pm
I'm against zoo's but I'm not against owning pets what the fuck.

Why are you against zoos, why the fuck would you be against zoos?  Consider how many of the animals in zoos not only don't exist in the wild anymore, and consider how many of the animals that do have wild populations are constantly killed due to the governments of their areas not giving a shit about them, and then think about how many animals we wouldn't have if it weren't for zoos.  I know you'll want to come in and say "well yeah we should be taking more care of them and not killing them!" but the point is that it's too late for that, and fixing that problem will take lifetimes.  Humans have grown in numbers, and they take up the majority of these animals old habitats.  Until you're ready to kill the people living in the animals habitats (and no humans can't really live in the same spot of land as tigers sorry this doesn't work) then the best we can do is keep these animals in safe places for THEIR SAKE.  Fuck, most zoo animals love the shit out of their caretakers, and love where they live.  What is your problem with zoos because you are probably wrong.

If you're against zoos you SHOULD be against pets because it's the same thing on a smaller scale.  Explain to me how you can have one and not the other.
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Post by: ase on January 31, 2009, 08:34:36 pm
fact: all zoos abuse their animals


ever wonder where the phrase " sad panda" came from????!?? thats right: ZOOS
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Post by: Ryan on January 31, 2009, 08:47:20 pm
my vocalist in my band was engaged to one of the TOP LEVEL PETA people. i can't remember her exact position, but it was like VICE PRESIDENT or some shit.
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Post by: Vellfire on January 31, 2009, 08:48:05 pm
my vocalist in my band was engaged to one of the TOP LEVEL PETA people. i can't remember her exact position, but it was like VICE PRESIDENT or some shit.

is she the one who uses insulin but then fights against using animals for medical research?
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Post by: Farren on January 31, 2009, 08:49:08 pm
I'd honestly be against people owning pets before zoos

zookeepers have a professional obligation to take care of their animals but if the poor thing has a neglectful owner that just doesn't give a shit. Then that can cause a whole world of hurt. And that is 100x more likely to happen then a zookeeper fucking up because of all of the people that run through those places a day.
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Post by: Ryan on January 31, 2009, 08:53:13 pm
is she the one who uses insulin but then fights against using animals for medical research?

no clue. he said she was insane so possibly.
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Post by: Vellfire on January 31, 2009, 08:53:32 pm
As far as I'm concerned, there's nothing wrong with owning pets and zoos.  But there's EVERYTHING wrong with shitty pet owners and shitty zoos.  Just means those people are fuckups and shouldn't be used as an argument against either.

But PETA just thinks that we shouldn't "use animals for our entertainment and as slaves" so we shouldn't have pets or zoos.  We should just let cats loose to be killed by the dogs we're letting loose who will kill each other later until the loose bears from the zoos kill them and finally run out of things to eat so they start killing people in the streets.
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Post by: Vellfire on January 31, 2009, 08:56:26 pm
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In 2003, PETA President Ingrid Newkirk sent Yasser Arafat a letter following an incident in which a donkey, laden with explosives, was intentionally blown up, begging him to "leave the animals out of this conflict." A similar letter was sent to Sri Lankan terrorist group Tamil Tigers following a bombing that hit a zoo. Newkirk told the Washington Post in response to questions on why she did not also ask the groups to stop killing humans, "It's not my business to inject myself into human wars."

This right here is the problem with PETA btw, they send a letter to YASSER ARAFAT to complain about a donkey but they don't give a shit about the people because "they're causing the wars" (as if every person who dies in a war is a combatant or has anything to do with the war).  They put animals before people, as if they themselves AREN'T people.  Fuck that shit.

edit: also they complained about someone registering peta.org as an anti-peta site when they register a bunch of circus and magazine websites to spread their shit, they are just the dumbest people

edit2: oh god i also just remembered how they wanted the city of hamburg to change their name to veggieburg what the fuck is wrong with these people, this isn't even the only one they've gone after all sorts of schools and towns asking them to change their names because they somehow relate to meat or animals (and most of them don't even MEAN those things, they just sound similar)

I keep adding to this but it's hard not to when you remember all the shit about PETA.  Ingrid Newkirk specifically said that she would be against animal testing even if it meant a cure for AIDS, and the vice-president said that instead of "wasting money" on animal research we should just warn young people about AIDS, and it's an "easy disease to avoid".  ffffff Sure, AIDS is easy to avoid if every single person is tested for it and is honest.  Even condoms tear or otherwise fail sometimes, so they aren't 100% sure to stop it.  WARN PEOPLE about AIDS?  Who the fuck hasn't been warned a thousand times about AIDS.  I cannot understand these idiots ever.
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Post by: Farren on January 31, 2009, 09:06:16 pm
Ingrid is the crazy one with the insulin btw I'm pretty sure
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Post by: Vellfire on January 31, 2009, 09:06:58 pm
No, it was someone else that's really close to Ingrid from what I remember.
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Post by: Kaworu on January 31, 2009, 09:07:08 pm
zoos are one of the best things mankind has ever done, places like London Zoo are mainly for conservation now (it still hs Okapis and giraffes and shit to bring in the money) They're far more than look/laugh at animals these days.
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Post by: Vellfire on January 31, 2009, 09:09:53 pm
oh my god dudes

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Newkirk is best known for the issue awareness campaigns she organizes on behalf of PETA, in order to promote animal rights and veganism. In her will, for example, she has directed that her skin be turned into wallets, her feet into umbrella stands, and her flesh into "Newkirk Nuggets," then grilled on a barbecue

Without zoos we wouldn't have a ton of animals around anymore.  For example, there are no known New Guinea Singing Dogs in the wild anymore, so if it wasn't for zoos and people who have met the screening requirements to keep them as pets (they aren't technically domesticated but as long as you raise them carefully they are as gentle and tame as any other pet dog) there wouldn't BE any anymore.
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Post by: Mongoloid on January 31, 2009, 09:13:13 pm
This right here is the problem with PETA btw, they send a letter to YASSER ARAFAT to complain about a donkey but they don't give a shit about the people because "they're causing the wars" (as if every person who dies in a war is a combatant or has anything to do with the war).  They put animals before people, as if they themselves AREN'T people.  Fuck that shit.

I've agreed with everything else you've said but this. There are millions of people trying to stop the wars and literally almost no one has said anything about animal casualties. Honestly I doubt there can be that many, but when zoos and the like are blown up, its obviously predominantly animals taking the hit.

The comment she made doesn't make much sense, but in that situation, there's not much you can say to justify not standing up for your own kind. The way I see it, you have to pick your battles, and PETA obviously isn't about being humanitarians, so it was kind of silly to ask that question in the first place. It's the same thing with abortion clinics, IMO. You can't ask an animal rights activist why they aren't helping protest abortion clinics as well as poor animal treatment.
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Post by: Vellfire on January 31, 2009, 09:18:57 pm
I've agreed with everything else you've said but this. There are millions of people trying to stop the wars and literally almost no one has said anything about animal casualties. Honestly I doubt there can be that many, but when zoos and the like are blown up, its obviously predominantly animals taking the hit.

fffff with so many goddamn babies dying in war, I really don't give a shit about the handful of animals killed in wars.  Of course PETA isn't fighting for the human casualties, but to send a fucking letter to Yasser Arafat over a donkey when other things are going on is just a fuck you to the people dying in wars on any side.  PETA doesn't care about human lives, that's a FACT.  The problem isn't that they didn't send a letter to Yasser Arafat about the people dying, it's that they went out of their way to defend a single donkey despite the people dying.
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Post by: Mongoloid on January 31, 2009, 09:28:13 pm
Exactly, but there's no reason for PETA to care about human lives because it's an animal rights group. I can't see why you'd be surprised they did exactly what they say they're doing. They have no reason to speak with Arafat at all unless to speak with him about that donkey.
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Post by: Vellfire on January 31, 2009, 11:39:20 pm
Exactly, but there's no reason for PETA to care about human lives because it's an animal rights group.

fffff YES THERE IS, THEY ARE FUCKING HUMAN BEINGS AND ALL HUMAN BEINGS SHOULD CARE ABOUT HUMAN LIVES


I'm not surprised by it because they are INSANE but I am surprised that you would defend them based on the premise that THEY SHOULDN'T CARE ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS.
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Post by: Doktormartini on February 01, 2009, 12:51:32 am
Exactly, but there's no reason for PETA to care about human lives because it's an animal rights group. I can't see why you'd be surprised they did exactly what they say they're doing. They have no reason to speak with Arafat at all unless to speak with him about that donkey.
Humans are animals too!
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Post by: Vellfire on February 01, 2009, 12:53:07 am
Humans are animals too!

Not to PETA.  To PETA, animals are gods and humans can rot in hell.

Maybe we should start calling humans "civilization-kittens" so that PETA will start giving a shit about them.
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Post by: xanque on February 01, 2009, 02:56:52 am
As a vegetarian and an animal rights advocate, I support the acronym PETA being officially used for "People Eating Tasty Animals." 

What I don't get about PETA is why they don't tone it down a little.  I am all for treating animals ethically, such as making sure they are used in the most humane way for scientific research or killed quickly and with as little as pain as possible for food.  I don't like that chickens are squished together to lay eggs, so I buy cage-free eggs only. 

But holy crap society would utterly fall apart if everyone suddenly stopped eating meat.  We'd have billions of animals without a place to live, and they could never survive on their own.  I know PETA doesn't give a shit about human lives or rights, but they don't seem to give too much of a shit about animal lives.  All they care about is giving animals rights, and nothing else, not even the lives of animals.  They are never about improving living conditions for animals, when that would actually be a pretty plausible thing to pursue. 

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Post by: Vellfire on February 01, 2009, 03:59:51 am
You see, PETA is all for killing dogs and cats that they won't find homes for (as in, they don't even TRY, they euthanize them before even looking) because Ingrid Newkirk apparently worked at an animal shelter and while there decided that she had to be the one to kill these animals there 'as humanely as possible'.  I think this is where she gets the idea that euthanasia is so important.  Now, don't get me wrong, sometimes it really is necessary to euthanize animals in shelters because frankly shelters can only do so much (hint:  why doesn't PETA donate to these shelters instead of protesting at them and attacking them?  they have MILLIONS if not more dollars in their budget, but instead they're offering it to cities to get them to change their names), but PETA is notorious for killing more animals than they find homes for as well as not even trying to find homes for the animals.  They have all of this money and yet they can't use any of it to rehome animals (PETA could afford to PAY people who may not normally be able to afford a pet to take in quite a few animals, but they're too busy buying red paint to throw at people wearing fur).  They give plenty of shits about cows and monkeys, but when it comes to animals that they can DIRECTLY do something about, they just kill them in the van and throw them in dumpsters.  They only care about things that they don't have to come into contact with--people usually aren't stealing cows from farms and taking them to PETA for them to be responsible for them.  PETA only deals with things beyond their control so that they can pretend like they're the freedom fighters, but they can't take responsibility when they're actually needed.
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Post by: Bizzle on February 02, 2009, 07:13:05 am
Velfarre do you have any links or sources where I can read about those van killings??
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Post by: The Dude on February 02, 2009, 07:37:33 am
Eh. The commercial wasn't that good. It got the message across, though it crosses a decency line. Maybe at late night hours when the kids are asleep etc, this would be fine. Even still, it was like a viagra commercial, except it wasn't funny.

Though, I didn't know about the veggie bit. I thought it was fruit the made it tasty.
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Post by: Mongoloid on February 02, 2009, 07:50:29 am
As I said before, a lot of the things you are mentioning (The red paint thing) are ALF stunts, which is a completely different organization. Again, not that PETA is guilt free, but at least ALF isn't claiming to be friendly about the things it does.

Really I dunno what the deal is, trying to prove a charitable organization is corrupt. It's not like PETA has some huge audience as it is, but it seems like it would be a much better idea to suggest that not everyone in PETA is in it for the animals, and if you're really as gung ho about it as you seem, move to fix that, as opposed to DO NOT TRUST PETA WHATSOEVER. I mean, PETA is the biggest animal rights group in the world, they didn't get that way killing puppies, so it's pretty clear that they have made quite a positive impact.
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Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on February 02, 2009, 07:57:20 am
I mean, PETA is the biggest animal rights group in the world, they didn't get that way killing puppies, so it's pretty clear that they have made quite a positive impact.

this is terrible reasoning you are a dumb person.

also PETA pretty much funds the ALF. they are PETA's unofficial violent wing.
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Post by: Farren on February 02, 2009, 08:00:26 am
no dude all those assholes do is make animal rights look like a fucking joke. Thats all they are, they're nothing but a bunch of dumbasses and misguided kids that think they're doing good but all they're doing is fucking up what could have potentially been a cool organization to help animals out.

Seriously they are nothing but a bunch of idiots who have apparently never worked on a farm or taken care of their own animals. All they do is stir up shit and fuck everything up.

I wish those vet clinics were allowed to hire security forces to shoot these dumb motherfuckers on site because if they're attacking vets and fire bombing important testing facilities they deserve to get shot for being so fucking stupid.

Edit: And when I say SHOOT THEM I don't really mean kill them. I mean either blow out one of their knee caps so that limp will remind them not to be complete morons or shoot them with rubber bullets until they pass out or run away.
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Post by: Mongoloid on February 02, 2009, 08:06:41 am
also PETA pretty much funds the ALF.

prove this and you can pretty much take down PETA.



i've already said peta's PR is pretty much the worst in the world, and the people that ARE part of their protests usually don't do a very good job, but shit you are generalizing to beyond a reasonable point. I DONT agree with the way peta does things and I damn well don't justify dumping abandoned animals into dumpsters. Like it or not peta has done a lot of good things, and the animal rights movement would take a serious hit without them around.
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Post by: Kaworu on February 02, 2009, 10:25:42 am
they have proved it, the actually proved it on the previously mentioned Bullshit! episode about it, showing PETA's money going into ALF members accounts.
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Post by: Frankie on February 02, 2009, 11:36:11 am
I don't really have much empathy for animals and don't personally really, really care if the chicken I'm eating was raped and tortured and had his hen and chicks shot down before him and lost his home and valuables, and then the butcher burns his eye out with a cigarette and says "say uncle.... say uncle" the chicken tries but he can only say "cluck" and the butcher knows this, its part of the torture you see so he chops one wing off and says SAY UNCLE DAMMIT NOT CLUCK and the chicken just cries and then the butcher chops its head off and then wraps it up and sends it on my table.
Its just a gaddam chicken. *crunch crunch mmh cruelty it tastes so good it makes the meat taste better I can actually taste cruelty its a little lemony*

But I do think that maybe groups like PETA (or at least groups that fill in the role PETA claims to fill, which is arguable PETA does not, or does very badly) are necessary to keep the food industry in check. It is simply not very good for people in general to be desensitized to violence at such a degree theyd' zap pigs for fun to hear them squeal like the pigs they are. OF course most places arnt like this, but these things do happen, and not only within the food industry, lots of people torture little animals for fun, its even a stereotypical CRAZY GUY UPBRINGING like every other psychopath has a "he tortured little animals as a kid" part in his biography.
Its a very human thing to have empathy for things you should not have empathy for (namely your food). I think its healthy for people to be horrified at the thought that what they're chewing on was once alive and made friendly little clicky noises,  I think that makes people think and making people think is always a good thing.

That's right I think animal rights movements are good for humans! I don't give a feck about animals! KILL ALL ANIMEL
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Post by: Kaworu on February 02, 2009, 11:39:34 am
why shouldn't people have empathy for animals?
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Post by: Frankie on February 02, 2009, 11:44:44 am
I'm saying they should, its a human thing, but they also shouldn't because it doesn't make sense to have empathy for something you are eating with a side of gravy. Its a sort of ambiguous relation that probably/maybe only humans have towards their food, and it is maybe the presence of something like this that makes the difference between a potential psycho killer and a normal everyday guy. In other words its not a feeling that really makes sense, but taking it away is probably unhealthy.
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Post by: xanque on February 02, 2009, 12:49:40 pm
I'm saying they should, its a human thing, but they also shouldn't because it doesn't make sense to have empathy for something you are eating with a side of gravy. Its a sort of ambiguous relation that probably/maybe only humans have towards their food, and it is maybe the presence of something like this that makes the difference between a potential psycho killer and a normal everyday guy. In other words its not a feeling that really makes sense, but taking it away is probably unhealthy.
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I don't really have much empathy for animals and don't personally really, really care if the chicken I'm eating was raped and tortured and had his hen and chicks shot down before him and lost his home and valuables, and then the butcher burns his eye out with a cigarette and says "say uncle.... say uncle" the chicken tries but he can only say "cluck" and the butcher knows this, its part of the torture you see so he chops one wing off and says SAY UNCLE DAMMIT NOT CLUCK and the chicken just cries and then the butcher chops its head off and then wraps it up and sends it on my table.
Its just a gaddam chicken. *crunch crunch mmh cruelty it tastes so good it makes the meat taste better I can actually taste cruelty its a little lemony*
Regardless of what you believe, animals do express emotions.  You can tell when they are in pain, upset, angry, and so on.  For some reason a very large portion of the human race seems to think animals do not think or have feelings.  No, the animals haven't told us that they do, but it's reasonable to assume that they do.  There hasn't been any real evidence that they don't.  The reason humans should have empathy toward animals is that they are living, breathing creatures that evolved from the same stuff we did. 

Without animals, the human race would not survive.  We've needed them for food, clothing, tools, experiments, and all kinds of other things so that we can live happy, healthy lives.  This fact alone means they deserve respect.  This is the reason I believe in humane treatment of animals.  There is no reason someone should be cruel to a monkey that is about to be used for experimentation, and anyone who does should be punished for it.  The same goes for anyone who harms an animal just for the sake of harming them. 

It's not an ambiguous relationship when you eat a chicken that you took care of yourself, and possibly loved.  The animal had a chance to live a decent, comfortable life before it died.  I might be wrong about this, but I think animals that have been raised to be healthy typically taste better than animals that don't. 
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Post by: Vellfire on February 02, 2009, 01:14:34 pm
Really I dunno what the deal is, trying to prove a charitable organization is corrupt.

The deal is that they aren't charitable, the deal is that they're getting millions of money from their members to KILL PUPPIES AND LIE.  Also, as other people already said, it's been proven before that PETA is tied to the ALF.  They've been caught giving money to them before, including paying for the defense of Rod Coronado, an arsonist who blew up a research lab (destroying THIRTY-TWO years worth of research).  It sounds like you just don't know enough about PETA, because otherwise you wouldn't know why trying to defend them is completely stupid and useless.

Velfarre do you have any links or sources where I can read about those van killings??

It was in the news for quite a while when it happened, but this has been something like four years ago so I'm having a hard time finding an article that's not been deleted.  This (http://washingtontimes.com/news/2005/jun/21/20050621-115255-8184r/) is the one that I've found that's still around, it talks about how the PETA representatives told this vet that they shouldn't have any problem finding home for these kittens she was trusting to them, only to find out they euthanized them and several other animals in a nearby dumpster.

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Like it or not peta has done a lot of good things

You still haven't said what PETA has ever done that is good.  All PETA does is spend tons of money making advertisements, throwing paint on people, killing animals, funding terrorists and targeting children with more advertising.  They don't DO anything else, they just sit around on their asses doing the opposite of what they're promoting and setting legitimate organizations back.  It's the difference between helping your local church with a food drive or giving money to scientology, one is helpful and the other is only something people who are suckered into it do.
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Post by: xanque on February 02, 2009, 02:30:47 pm
Yeah, I don't get why people seem to think "Well it's PETA, and they're a big organization, so they usually do the right thing." 

That is such a shitty argument.  That's like saying the American government is really powerful, so it must be good!  Hey, the Nazis were powerful too!  How benevolent! 

PETA has almost completely ruined the image vegans and vegetarians have.  The entire concept of animal rights has become a joke because of PETA.  When you have an organization that is so extremist and annoying as PETA, you get a major backlash and people want to support causes like animal rights even less

And the worst part is that a lot of vegetarians and vegans will blindly support PETA.  They don't look into them at all, and donate to them and wear their merchandise everywhere, looking like total fucking morons along the way.  Animal rights groups on college campuses (at least mine) are more than happy to slap PETA stickers everywhere, and there's no chance for an actually good animal rights group to form.  I've wanted to take part in protecting animal rights, but because of fucking PETA, it's pretty hard to find a legitimate organization in my area.
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Post by: Frankie on February 03, 2009, 01:36:34 am
I don't believe in feeling gratitude towards "nature". Animals aren't as far as we know some group of beings that collectively agreed to help us humans grow as a species. Dogs didn't all meet one day and decide HEY LETS HELP BLIND PEOPLE. Animals feed us and work for us because we make them do it. We use animals the same way we use wind and fire. I understand we should be glad animals are there, but they do not form some sort of collective we should feel gratitude to.

For the feelings part, yeah of course animals have "feelings". A dog that is left alone will start crying, and be visibly glad when their masters come back. Fishes that are well fed and have a clean place to live will swim around quick, and hungry fish in murky water will be almost motionless and look almost depressed. Animals very sensitive, and express their states of mind in their own way. People who claim otherwise are usually just trying to provide a convenient answer to the nagging question of "why is it okay to slaughter cattle by millions", and are ashamed to rely on meaningless cop-out answers like "WE HAVE SOULS AND THEY DON'T".

However, I don't think attributing animals "feelings" and using that as a reason to treat them equally(or whatever) makes any more sense: feelings in their POETIC sense are pretty much a human-created concept, and we project these concepts on animals when trying to understand how they feel.
For instance,  looking in a dog's eyes: As you stare at the dog, you try to imagine that it is also staring back at you, and try to imagine what he is thinking, doing that from your own understanding of life and through this falsely attributing the dog human traits. Its empathy, its how we deal with other humans, its what gives you a natural inhibition from hurting another human being. Looking at them and understanding they are staring right back at you, like a mutual understanding of each others' sentience. For animals, the effect of empathy still remains, but the more different the animal is to you the weaker is its effect: you have a harder time making that connection.

Attributing them romantic and vague concepts of feelings we humans made up makes no sense however. Animals are sad, or happy, or angry. They are territorial, protective. They are hungry, thirsty, they are in heat, they are passive, they are active, they are agressive, they feel safe or threatened. It is the same for us, except that because of our intelligence and natural need of beautifying things and classifying things and placing greater meaning in things that are mostly meaningless in our search for existential answers and shit, we made up a whole panoply of different tones and contexts and combination's and half-tones and tangents to these basic emotions and then attribute them to everything around us. Dolphins laugh, birds are happy, bears are grumpy, dogs are faithful, mice are curious, hyenas are cruel, lions are proud. Ants weren't so lucky though, they're just "hard workers". Heh, suckers, must be because of the wiggly legs and beady eyes and antennas.

So basically, yeah, animals do feel things like we do, but its not all that special and is sort of an arbitrary reason to use in deciding what we should consider to have rights to be "ethically treated". As I said before, I do think torturing animals and killing or raping them is never a good thing, but it is not the animal victims I worry about, but rather the damage that such behavior could represent on mankind. As for the question of, what SHOULD we use to decide what deserves rights for ethical treatment and where to draw the line however, I have no idea. My first guess would be intelligence, creativity or capacity to communicate, but we barely know how these things even work.
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Post by: The Dude on February 03, 2009, 01:46:32 am
I was talking to my dad about this, and apparently I was almost a vegan without knowing it. :( How does that happen. Fuck you peta.
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Post by: Boulvae on February 03, 2009, 05:58:44 am
PETA is just a bunch of in your face vegan radicals making the rest of the cool vegans look bad. If we had to stop eating meat we'd either have to slaughter all those animals anyways or domesticate them which would end up many, many being euthanized anyways. Alot of people who actually get animals don't know what they're getting into and put em' up for adoption or have them euthanized. Also for some reason the animal shelters here in Manitoba are ridiculously strict on adopting dogs, but you can adopt a cat with the snap of your fingers which is a little weird to me.

A bit of advice, if you ever decide to adopt, look for a mature dog instead of a puppy.

Also, experiments (like make-up experiments) on animals are kept to the absolute minimum of pain and suffering, this is because the more pain and suffering the experiments cause the more inconclusive the results are. They keep em' healthyand minimize suffering as much as possible (pending on experiments, it's not even a horrific experience) to get the best results. The people who do this generally don't enjoy doing it.

The asparagus and broccoli was a turn off by the way. It'd have been better with some fruits in there, thats vegan stuff.
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Post by: dada on February 04, 2009, 07:48:09 pm
By the way, I'm not a big fan of making emotional arguments, but these two videos were posted on a weblog today and I think you should take a look at them. If you want to know what happens in a slaughterhouse, that is. These videos show how two different ways to sedate pigs before cutting them into pieces.

Note that these videos are only for people with strong stomachs. I can't stress this enough. Some people are gonna watch these videos and wish they hadn't!
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/392401/421895d1/yum,_schnitzel_(2).html - electrocution
http://www.dumpert.nl/mediabase/392391/7f019e17/yum,_schnitzel_(1).html - oxygen deprivation (CO2 gas chamber)

EDIT: and yeah if you want to eat Boston butts you are going to have to kill a pig at some point, I know that. But it's too easy to say you don't care at all about what goes on inside a slauaghterhouse when you don't even know what it looks like.
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Post by: Farren on February 04, 2009, 07:54:11 pm
What kind of argument are you trying to make with the first one?

It looks to me like they're trying to shut the brain off as fast as possible by running the electrocution through their heads. It doesn't look like they're in too much pain and are out almost instantaneously.

I'm not saying there aren't more humane ways of doing it but that doesn't seem evil or anything like that to me.

Now the second on is disgusting and I didn't think a pig could fly off the ground like that.
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Post by: Farren on February 04, 2009, 07:55:28 pm
The guy that was slitting their throats or whatever didn't even seem like an ass about it. He actually seemed genuinely careful like he didn't want to do anything unnecessary.

We had to round up a pig for a slaughter house once and he fought it like a champ. In the end my dad got a bottle of whiskey and got the thing drunk. Which is what I think we should have done in the first place and seems like a better way of doing it then beating the shit out of it or anything like that.

I think we should just develop a drug to make the animal really numb/placid and kill them as quickly as possible so they don't feel any pain. They could and probably have already started doing it and I don't think it would be overly expensive either.
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Post by: dada on February 04, 2009, 08:09:37 pm
What kind of argument are you trying to make with the first one?
Did you read the post or did you just watch the cool videos?

I'm saying you need to first see exactly how it is done before you can say that you honestly don't care what happens inside a slaughterhouse.
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Post by: Farren on February 04, 2009, 08:19:10 pm
yeah I read it but I thought you were trying to make the point "hehe you don't know what they really do to these things.....poor babe...."

I just re-read it again and no you weren't clear on that....
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Post by: ase on February 04, 2009, 08:41:28 pm
why would any slaughter house use the CO2 method? These places make money based off of the volume of pigs they kill, and (other than looking unnecessarily torturous) this looks like a very slow and financially nonproductive way of doing business.

Unless running a machine that sends electricity though a pig skull is somehow more expensive than a less-automated method of putting pigs in individual rooms and filling them with gas.... I don't get it.
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Post by: Farren on February 04, 2009, 08:45:56 pm
its probably cheaper to just suck all the oxygen out of the room and you saw that pig thrashing around like that right? Self-Tenderized....
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 04, 2009, 10:17:21 pm
jesus velfarre calm the fuck down.

ARGH ANIMAL ADVOCACY GROUP

ADVOCATES ANIMAL RIGHTS IN ALL SITUATIONS!!!

I'm tempted to support PETA because of how nuts you're being honestly. PETA ONCE KILLED SOME DOGS! EVERYTHING THEY DO = IRRELEVANT.
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Post by: Vellfire on February 04, 2009, 10:34:14 pm
jesus velfarre calm the fuck down.

ARGH ANIMAL ADVOCACY GROUP

ADVOCATES ANIMAL RIGHTS IN ALL SITUATIONS!!!

I'm tempted to support PETA because of how nuts you're being honestly. PETA ONCE KILLED SOME DOGS! EVERYTHING THEY DO = IRRELEVANT.

yup i'm the only one with a problem with peta here...just me...it's cool if peta sends letters to people because of a single donkey with babies dying...that's cool...it's cool for people to not care about human beings as a whole
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 04, 2009, 10:52:10 pm
yeah they dont care about human beings at all that's why a good amount of their literature and advertising deals with the health benefits of a vegetarian and vegan lifestyle. they are tricking people into dying so animals can live. are you really this fucking stupid.
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Post by: Vellfire on February 04, 2009, 10:55:00 pm
yeah they dont care about human beings at all that's why a good amount of their literature and advertising deals with the health benefits of a vegetarian and vegan lifestyle. they are tricking people into dying so animals can live. are you really this fucking stupid.

are you kidding me?  they are only promoting the health benefits to KEEP PEOPLE FROM EATING ANIMALS, they don't give a shit about the people themselves, if they gave a shit about people they wouldn't say things like WE WOULDN'T SUPPORT ANIMAL TESTING EVEN IF IT LED TO A CURE FOR AIDS
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 04, 2009, 11:03:00 pm
remember kids, when you advocate your group's unique positions, you must also advocate all moral positions at the same time.

hmm well I'm not a fan of Israel's actions FORGOT TO MENTION THE HOLOCAUST, FUCK NUT.

seriously where do you get this idea PETA wants people to die? because they don't like animal testing? oh no! a political stance that makes a lot of fucking sense!
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Post by: Vellfire on February 04, 2009, 11:11:08 pm
seriously where do you get this idea PETA wants people to die? because they don't like animal testing? oh no! a political stance that makes a lot of fucking sense!

i never said they want people to die, i said they don't GIVE A SHIT if people die, ingrid herself said this:

Quote from: Ingrid Newkirk
“I am not a morose person, but I would rather not be here. I don’t have any reverence for life, only for the entities themselves. I would rather see a blank space where I am. This will sound like fruitcake stuff again but at least I wouldn’t be harming anything.”

i don't know why you're angry at me for not liking an organization that does awful things and is run by a completely insane woman that says in her will to make clothes out of her fucking skin
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 04, 2009, 11:13:10 pm
hahahaha I like how you deliberately ignore the part where she specifies she cares more about the people than the act of life itself.
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Post by: Vellfire on February 04, 2009, 11:16:34 pm
hahahaha I like how you deliberately ignore the part where she specifies she cares more about the people than the act of life itself.

who said anything about people?  she said entities.  she puts humans on the same level as animals but she TREATS them like they're below animals


sorry dude but i am not cool with not putting people first, that's just what i believe  :welp:

she also said this:

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Humans have grown like a cancer. We're the biggest blight on the face of the earth.

she hates people, i don't know how you think she doesn't
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 04, 2009, 11:18:06 pm
putting people first is the reason we have every single environmental disaster ever.

fyi people are entities still. unless you can find something that isn't just a really dumb extrapolation that then "proves" peta hates human beings, you're....making dumb extrapolations.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 04, 2009, 11:18:55 pm
this all stems from the fact you're mad at an animal rights group for condemning something about animal rights and not entering a field of politics they have nothing to do with.

where was GW's Palestine support???
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Post by: Vellfire on February 04, 2009, 11:20:48 pm
i'm mad at them for being fucking loonies that only HURT the organizations that actually HELP animals, they wanted to spend billions of dollars on a superbowl ad when they could, i don't know, help animal shelters???

oh but wait we aren't talking about sensible people because:

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While the final decision as to the use of my body remains with PETA, I make the following suggested directions:

    a) That the 'meat' of my body, or a portion thereof, be used for a human barbecue, to remind the world that the meat of a corpse is all flesh, regardless of whether it comes from a human being or another animal and that flesh foods are not needed.
    b) That my skin, or a portion thereof, be removed and made into leather products, such as purses, to remind the world that human skin and the skin of other animals is the same and that neither is 'fabric' or needed.
    c) That my feet be removed and umbrella stands or other ornamentation be made from them, as a reminder of the depravity of killing innocent animals, such as elephants, in order that we might use their body parts for household items and decorations.
    d) That my eyes be removed, mounted and delivered to the administrator of the Environmental Protection Agency as a reminder that Peta will continue to be watching the agency until it stops poisoning and torturing animals in useless and cruel experiments.
    e) That my pointing finger be delivered to Kenneth Feld, the owner of Ringling Brothers or to a circus museum, to stand as the 'Greatest Accusation on Earth' on behalf of the countless animals who have been deprived of all that is natural and pleasant to them, abused and forced into involuntary servitude for the sake of cheap entertainment.

edit:

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When we were in Savannah, she told me, in the most unequivocal terms, that the world would be an infinitely better place without humans in it at all.

definitely sounds like she hates people to me
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Post by: Barack Obama on February 04, 2009, 11:37:12 pm
putting people first is the reason we have every single environmental disaster ever.

Man this is not true.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 04, 2009, 11:42:00 pm
Man this is not true.

ceos are people putting themselves first. basically acting without a global conscience in general is bad and raging against PETA for wanting to expand that is pretty annoying and old.

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oh but wait we aren't talking about sensible people because:

stop quoting a publicity stunt like it's relevant.

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i'm mad at them for being fucking loonies that only HURT the organizations that actually HELP animals, they wanted to spend billions of dollars on a superbowl ad when they could, i don't know, help animal shelters???

attn charitable organizations: no one can know who you are.

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When we were in Savannah, she told me, in the most unequivocal terms, that the world would be an infinitely better place without humans in it at all.

this is probably completely true from an environmental perspective and way to quote a paraphrase.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 04, 2009, 11:44:12 pm
seriously though a thousand palestinians get killed in a week velfarre says nothing, peta calls a fish a sea kitten and suddenly bam its time to argue how peta is evil incarnate because they killed a dog.

everyone who knows anything about peta knows it's a shitty organization, even dok's against it, you don't have to diatribe against it with such fuckin fervor.

THEY KILLED

A DOG!!!
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 04, 2009, 11:45:01 pm
ALF is for true OGs.
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Post by: Vellfire on February 04, 2009, 11:50:14 pm
seriously though a thousand palestinians get killed in a week velfarre says nothing

i posted how many times in that topic, forget it you are just wanting to argue with me
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Post by: Ryan on February 04, 2009, 11:52:37 pm
hes just a stalker,...
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 04, 2009, 11:57:12 pm
i posted how many times in that topic, forget it you are just wanting to argue with me

hmmm maybe or maybe:

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When we were in the Happy Zoo, she told me, in the most unequivocal terms, that the world would be an infinitely better place without the mentally invalid in it at all.

velfarre how could you.
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Post by: Barack Obama on February 05, 2009, 12:16:15 am
ceos are people putting themselves first. basically acting without a global conscience in general is bad and raging against PETA for wanting to expand that is pretty annoying and old.
I wouldn't equate capitalist accumulation to putting people first and I don't think appealing to vague universal ideals like 'global conscience' really means anything.

PETA has pretty self-defeating ideals that literally lead nowhere. If they'd drop their absurd absolutism and give newkirk the boot maybe they could direct their movement toward things like sustainable animal husbantry alternatives but they come at the problem with the line that "humans using animals is bad cuz we say so" they put themselves outside of the realm of working in the interests of society(which happens to consist of omnivores) in a simmilar manner that groups involved with the ELF do.
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Post by: Barack Obama on February 05, 2009, 12:21:51 am
I've not been too keen on PETA because for a whole week those assholes ruined my smokebreaks by insulting me and being annoying pricks when I worked for PETCO in college.

I was compared to a nazi for working in a pet store.
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Post by: Shadow Kirby on February 05, 2009, 12:24:17 am
This topic is turning into Gaza 2: Velfrael is invading the Peta-strip.
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Post by: Ryan on February 05, 2009, 12:26:45 am
I've not been too keen on PETA because for a whole week those assholes ruined my smokebreaks by insulting me and being annoying pricks when I worked for PETCO in college.

I was compared to a nazi for working in a pet store.

speaking of nazis, this guy on TV was saying obama is a socialist and no one is afraid of socialism anymore but they should be because the nazi's were socialist.  :woop:

im derailin this topic, fuck peta.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 05, 2009, 01:56:54 am
I wouldn't equate capitalist accumulation to putting people first and I don't think appealing to vague universal ideals like 'global conscience' really means anything.

PETA has pretty self-defeating ideals that literally lead nowhere. If they'd drop their absurd absolutism and give newkirk the boot maybe they could direct their movement toward things like sustainable animal husbantry alternatives but they come at the problem with the line that "humans using animals is bad cuz we say so" they put themselves outside of the realm of working in the interests of society(which happens to consist of omnivores) in a simmilar manner that groups involved with the ELF do.

joooooe dont you know what im doing :(

you...you taught me...

also in all seriousness velfarre just goes so ridiculously over the top and she's been doing this with every topic where PETA is even slightly mentioned so I had to goad her out but now I don't think she wants to play anymore.

seriously they are just a dumb organization who are more or less effete. has PETA done anything in the last decade???

maybe I'm ignorant but other than occasionally making the news with a gimmick nope.
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Post by: Barack Obama on February 05, 2009, 02:27:16 am
;) what goes around comes around


I really don't like peta because of my experiences with them, they're a pack of JERKS!
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Post by: Boulvae on February 05, 2009, 02:36:49 am
I encountered atleast one PETA, while I was eating a piece of "Vegan Meat" (it was a veggie burger I made with some of the Vegan Meat I got from one of my friends). I couldn't help but laugh at him in public for mistaking my piece of fake meat for real meat, and I promptly ignored him while he was screaming in my face and eating while he was screaming (which by the way, he looked like he was about to shit himself). Knocked over my drink, bastard. This all happened in a park, walking my dogs.
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Post by: Doktormartini on February 05, 2009, 02:50:09 am
Humans are spreading like cancer???
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Post by: Farren on February 05, 2009, 02:50:35 am
I wish I could meet one of them. I would rip into them so hard...
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Post by: YourHero on February 05, 2009, 02:57:34 am
I encountered atleast one PETA, while I was eating a piece of "Vegan Meat" (it was a veggie burger I made with some of the Vegan Meat I got from one of my friends). I couldn't help but laugh at him in public for mistaking my piece of fake meat for real meat, and I promptly ignored him while he was screaming in my face and eating while he was screaming (which by the way, he looked like he was about to shit himself). Knocked over my drink, bastard. This all happened in a park, walking my dogs.


what?!
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Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on February 05, 2009, 03:02:11 am
ceos are people putting themselves first.

i'm glad you were just goading her because this is a really stupid point to throw into the debate

also yeah PETA HATRED..... is almost really on the same level as the whole stupid ANONYMOUS VS SCIENTOLOGY thing. no one cares about peta, it's a pretty irrelevant group isn't it?
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Post by: YourHero on February 05, 2009, 03:15:14 am
yes i think it is. it was popular for veg people a while ago, but they did too many stupid things that it's basically just a cult now. i know a bunch of vegan activist type people and none of them are pro-peta as far as i know..
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Post by: Vellfire on February 05, 2009, 03:20:50 am
also yeah PETA HATRED..... is almost really on the same level as the whole stupid ANONYMOUS VS SCIENTOLOGY thing. no one cares about peta, it's a pretty irrelevant group isn't it?

they are pretty irrelevant with the exception of this super bowl ad thing, it's just sad that they're still trying and that people still buy into it
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Post by: The Dude on February 05, 2009, 03:25:16 am
How does one do this vegan thing? Everywhere I look is meat, meat bi-product, or something similar. :/ Even this hot and sour soup has shrimp in it...
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Post by: Boulvae on February 05, 2009, 03:42:23 am
Substitutes, which you might have to scour places beyond your typical Safeway. You might have to start looking into small little grocers that specialize purely in produce. And theres the Vegan Meat I mentioned (could just be a Canadian thing), which is different from Tofu in that it was made specifically to have the texture (and similar cooking properties) of actual meat.

For places to eat out just ask around, there was a couple Vietnamese vegan restaurants around the city close to my home for example I wasn't aware of until recently.
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Post by: The Dude on February 05, 2009, 03:43:44 am
Miso soup is safe too. Thank god for that.
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Post by: YourHero on February 05, 2009, 03:48:20 am
it's very hard. i think i only know one vegan who doesn't live in toronto. there are a lot of vegan restaurants here and specialty stores and even the grocerystores and convenient stores tend to cater to vegans.
my friend out of toronto though has to order a lot of stuff online (deoderant, makeup, vitamins) and spend a lot of time cooking (usually from scratch).

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Post by: Boulvae on February 05, 2009, 03:50:00 am
I geuss it depends how serious a Vegan you really are, I for one say that anyone who eats fish cannot claim to be a real Vegan.
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Post by: The Dude on February 05, 2009, 03:54:58 am
Can I be a fishan?
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Post by: Boulvae on February 05, 2009, 04:19:19 am
Sure if you want, but alot of those exotic fish require skill to cook because it's either really poisonous or it's the kind that eats everything.
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Post by: The Dude on February 05, 2009, 04:21:29 am
-sigh- being an omnivore is so much easier. Thanks dad...
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Post by: Boulvae on February 05, 2009, 04:25:06 am
Your welcome son.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 06, 2009, 01:12:04 am
http://veganyumyum.com/
http://www.manjulaskitchen.com/
and cafe gratitude released a book but they're raw food and raw food almost always tastes like shit. there's a few other vegan cookbooks I'm sure I've posted about before while yelling at doktormartini for making shitty chips.

vegan food can own but it's a lot of effort and you have to have an open mind to foods. like if you won't eat indian ahahahaha you're gonna be so bored.
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Post by: Barack Obama on February 06, 2009, 01:33:35 am
i worked in an indian restaurant for half a year and ate indian food for dinner almost every night i am so sick of indian food

HOOTHOOTDOOTDOOT I DONT LIKE ICE IN MY WATER AND I LOVE CURRY HOOTHOOTHOOT
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Post by: ase on February 06, 2009, 04:58:09 am
http://veganyumyum.com/
woah. this is amazing! i did not know you could make such delicious-looking things with vegan ingredients! i am a pretty big meat eater but most of those recipes look delicious enough for me to try to make!
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Post by: YourHero on February 06, 2009, 05:01:18 am
indian food is by far the best ethnic food in existence.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 06, 2009, 05:05:57 am
i worked in an indian restaurant for half a year and ate indian food for dinner almost every night i am so sick of indian food

HOOTHOOTDOOTDOOT I DONT LIKE ICE IN MY WATER AND I LOVE CURRY HOOTHOOTHOOT

you would expect me to disagree but no i've eaten indian food most of my life i avoid eating it out because even though my mom owns at comfort food I GET ENOUGH OF THAT so haha fuck you man dont eat any type of food every day if you can help it.

woah. this is amazing! i did not know you could make such delicious-looking things with vegan ingredients! i am a pretty big meat eater but most of those recipes look delicious enough for me to try to make!

if you're freaking on this I just noticed they linked the pioneer woman who must have a magical fucking camera because I have never seen something of hers I did not want to guzzle.
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Post by: The Dude on February 06, 2009, 05:06:51 am
vegan food can own but it's a lot of effort and you have to have an open mind to foods. like if you won't eat indian ahahahaha you're gonna be so bored.

Thanks, I'll check those out. A couple days ago I tried chocolate covered insects, so open mind = yes.

indian food is by far the best ethnic food in existence.

Also yes.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 06, 2009, 05:20:50 am
if you're really interested I'll dig up more links, but I can't remember where I posted them before.
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Post by: YourHero on February 06, 2009, 05:33:40 am
yes! indian food recipes!

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Post by: The Dude on February 06, 2009, 05:44:44 am
if you're really interested I'll dig up more links, but I can't remember where I posted them before.

I am actually. My dad was telling me about this stuff, but he's kind of useless when it comes to helping people. Seems like an alright lifestyle. I find when I eat meat, especially deep fried crap, I feel weird afterward. Like indigestion or whatever.
Never have that problem after a salad. Plus, there's the CN Tower climb in a few months.
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Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on February 06, 2009, 06:10:10 am
man everything in that veganyumyum site looks AMAZING
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 06, 2009, 06:14:00 am
oh yeah this is one I remember people used to use as a go to: http://veganmenu.blogspot.com/

click the vegan foodporn on the left and jizz ya self.
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Post by: The Dude on February 06, 2009, 06:26:43 am
Thanks man, these will help me get started.
Heh passed by a hotdog stand on the way home from downtown, was like... ugh.

EDIT:
Hey wow, this won't be hard at all. Looking over these recipes, and it's all so easy!  :woop:
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Post by: Doktormartini on February 06, 2009, 07:24:18 am
This girl makes some good recipes.  shes had some recipes published in cookbooks.
http://tofu-n-sproutz.blogspot.com/

also vegan bbw
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Post by: Farren on February 06, 2009, 07:36:42 am
no that does not even look edible

is that after it was cooked

no dok you can't really eat that shit. Are your bones still showin' because goddamn dok how do you survive off of huge puffy tortilla, leaves, and cheese
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Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on February 06, 2009, 08:09:41 am
yeah no.

let's get back to the pretty pictures

edit: the food in that blog looks kinda terrible
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Post by: Achiro on February 06, 2009, 09:26:16 am
0:09 into the video

Vegetarians have no ass cracks appearently.
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Post by: Barack Obama on February 06, 2009, 01:01:51 pm
just fillin' all you wannabe vegetarian/vegans in with some info: relying too much on soy protein in your diet will raise estrogen levels and turn you into a girly man
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Post by: Vellfire on February 06, 2009, 01:22:30 pm
dok i remember seeing pics of your vegan foods on your myspace




none of them look like food sorry!

that pizza looks like white slugs strewn across some uncooked dough with leaves thrown on it
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Post by: Alec on February 06, 2009, 01:48:35 pm
and mushrooms
*turns up nose*
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Post by: Rowain on February 06, 2009, 02:52:57 pm
I'm pretty weak, I spent 5 weeks in India over a year ago and still can't really bring myself to eat the stuff anymore. Which is a shame because both my mom AND dad make pretty good Indian dishes and I used to really love rice and dal. I can stomach samosas and rogan josh but CLOVES man, everything has fucking cloves and I can't take it.

I think I just got sick of SPICES. Everything is spiced, even McDonalds MAHARAJA MAC over there is spiced. I was craving just boiled potatoes my last week there. Luckily we were staying at a pretty nice little place towards the end of the trip with a cook and he made me some BOILED POTATOES and vegetables (and this digusting greasy catfish from the river nearby but it was so good :(​)

Oh, and there was the DOMINOES that I ate at about midway through the trip. We were up in one of old British hill stations in the foothills of the Himalayas (Musoorie) and it's sort of a hotbed for foreign students because there are several international privates schools there, which warrants a few Western style restaurants (Dominoes being one of them). I couldn't help but notice the ingredients were just BETTER, like the onions and shit on the pizza were really nice, and not sort of old/greasy/reconstituted like in fast food places here.

But seriously, every morning was just fruit/omelettes/toast, for like 40 days, and then curries, curries, and more curries for dinner and supper. I know Indian cuisine is ridiculously varied, considering there's an unbelievable number of different cultures in the country, but it all started tasting the same to me. And chicken/mutton were the only meat choices, and that's if you went to a nice place because the average corner shop or stall was vegetarian. It was also the fact that EVERYTHING had to be cooked, for us at least, because it just wasn't safe eating raw vegetables!

Hey, sorry for hijacking the topic with more india stories, that was pretty uncalled for! The point is, I'm not cut out to be a vegetarian or an Indian
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 06, 2009, 03:31:51 pm
i once spent a month or two in a village with intermittent power and my grandparents dont eat anything but rice, lentils, occasionally fish, and potatoes. maybe some bread once a while. for every meal.

by the end i was actually going a bit crazy. it was exactly like prison gruel, it started to break your soul.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 06, 2009, 03:55:00 pm
okay i looked up a few links and found these. only posting the ones with pictures or that were triple recommended though.

http://www.101cookbooks.com/ 101 cookbooks is a good start for anyone. it's mostly vegetarian but you can sort on the side. look at dat porcini mushroom soup.

http://www.theppk.com/ veganomicon is the most famous vegan cookbook for good reason. a lot of the older recipes are sans picture though.

http://goonswithspoons.com/Category:Mr._Wiggles's_Recipes yo if you have an SA account and have been to GWS, you know this guy. Mr. Wiggles is the dude who got me respecting vegetarian cooking. just filtering the dinner thread to his posts is always good.
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Post by: maladroithim on February 06, 2009, 04:17:19 pm
How does one do this vegan thing? Everywhere I look is meat, meat bi-product, or something similar. :/ Even this hot and sour soup has shrimp in it...

Well I am a vegetarian unless I am at a sandwich shop that doesn't have good vegetarian options (Subway), and it is actually pretty easy.  I still eat eggs and milk and stuff on a daily basis though so I don't know what to tell you.

You just have to learn how to cook!
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Post by: YourHero on February 06, 2009, 08:01:02 pm
okay i looked up a few links and found these. only posting the ones with pictures or that were triple recommended though.

http://www.101cookbooks.com/ 101 cookbooks is a good start for anyone. it's mostly vegetarian but you can sort on the side. look at dat porcini mushroom soup.

http://www.theppk.com/ veganomicon is the most famous vegan cookbook for good reason. a lot of the older recipes are sans picture though.

http://goonswithspoons.com/Category:Mr._Wiggles's_Recipes yo if you have an SA account and have been to GWS, you know this guy. Mr. Wiggles is the dude who got me respecting vegetarian cooking. just filtering the dinner thread to his posts is always good.

i take it you like cooking, right? you know all these vegetarian links and watch top chef..
do you often cook vegetarian? all the chefs i know are pretty much insulted when i ask them to make something without meat.
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Post by: headphonics on February 06, 2009, 08:04:15 pm
are you a vegetarian?  don't you miss a nice....juicy......piece a meat
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 06, 2009, 08:11:54 pm
I used to cook but no joke cancer stopped that too. I couldn't hold a saucepan for days. now I live at home and if you have ever cooked in an indian woman's kitchen you know it is awful because LET ME HELP *does entire thing* is the state of affairs.

chefs used to have this shtick they probably picked up from anthony bourdain when he was like UGH THEY DONT EAT FOOD but thats because they're chefs. imagine you are a gun store and someone is like "do you have any tasers, I hate guns". there's too much stuff made with stocks and fat that a lot of chefs don't like making things deliberately vegetarian NO CHICKEN STOCK BUT I WANT A SOUP *takes a leak in your food*

however any chef who dismisses vegetarian cooking is a dummy. ignoring religious and personal convictions, vegetarian cooking is also incredibly healthy for you and the overreliance on eating meat in everything is why fastfood does so well.

so in short anyone who does this is being a purposefully contrarian dick who doesn't realize how good vegetables are and probably forgot indian food is all vegetarian and still owns.
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Post by: headphonics on February 06, 2009, 08:17:27 pm
Quote
LET ME HELP *does entire thing*
ahaha

gues im half indian. . .


also i don't think that's the only reason fast food does so well!
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 06, 2009, 08:25:09 pm
okay also salt and efficiency im just bein dumb.
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Post by: YourHero on February 06, 2009, 08:27:06 pm
are you a vegetarian?  don't you miss a nice....juicy......piece a meat


yes, and believe me, i've heard every sexual inuendo about it that there is including various types of sauage jokes, "firm"/"soft" tofu, meat is murder/eggs are sexual harassment, fish jokes, etc.

when i was working at a restaurant, every single day this old spanish woman would be like "yourhero, you want a sausage!? you still like sausage, rigth!?"

I used to cook but no joke cancer stopped that too. I couldn't hold a saucepan for days. now I live at home and if you have ever cooked in an indian woman's kitchen you know it is awful because LET ME HELP *does entire thing* is the state of affairs.

chefs used to have this shtick they probably picked up from anthony bourdain when he was like UGH THEY DONT EAT FOOD but thats because they're chefs. imagine you are a gun store and someone is like "do you have any tasers, I hate guns". there's too much stuff made with stocks and fat that a lot of chefs don't like making things deliberately vegetarian NO CHICKEN STOCK BUT I WANT A SOUP *takes a leak in your food*

however any chef who dismisses vegetarian cooking is a dummy. ignoring religious and personal convictions, vegetarian cooking is also incredibly healthy for you and the overreliance on eating meat in everything is why fastfood does so well.

so in short anyone who does this is being a purposefully contrarian dick who doesn't realize how good vegetables are and probably forgot indian food is all vegetarian and still owns.

yeah, i'm way more impressed with people who can cook a good meal with limitations- veg or vegan meals, cooking for people with certain allergies, etc.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 06, 2009, 08:32:01 pm
vegan is annoying as hell to cook though to be honest I would understand a chef getting irked. like you can do it but you need to be way prepped beforehand and it's more expensive, or you'll be making mac and cheese sans cheese. same with gluten/dairy allergies but at least then it ain't a personal choice but an allergy.
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Post by: headphonics on February 06, 2009, 08:43:50 pm
did she say it just like that?  YOURHERO, CLEAN UP THAT SPILL.  i'm glad old spanish ladies don't call me by internet handles
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Post by: Vellfire on February 06, 2009, 10:28:17 pm
vegan is annoying as hell to cook though to be honest I would understand a chef getting irked. like you can do it but you need to be way prepped beforehand and it's more expensive, or you'll be making mac and cheese sans cheese. same with gluten/dairy allergies but at least then it ain't a personal choice but an allergy.

My cousin has a gluten allergy AND diabetes, so I know how fucking awful it can be to find foods for people with that.  My aunt has a really hard time buying groceries for her.
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Post by: Boulvae on February 06, 2009, 10:38:05 pm
My dad is diabetic, and he's a chocolate nut. So he mastered the art of making crap you randomly throw on a pan taste like chocolate, without putting in any sugar or chocolate. It was always bittersweet but also kinda weirded me out too.
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Post by: The Dude on February 06, 2009, 11:53:15 pm
Well I am a vegetarian unless I am at a sandwich shop that doesn't have good vegetarian options (Subway), and it is actually pretty easy.  I still eat eggs and milk and stuff on a daily basis though so I don't know what to tell you.

You just have to learn how to cook!

I'm actually really good at cooking. :/
Just never bothered much with veggies. It's good to know I can have eggs and milk though.
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Post by: Boulvae on February 07, 2009, 12:05:49 am
All it really means is that you don't eat meat. Eggs and Milk ain't meat (fish meat counts as meat), but thats where you can tell who the extremists are. The eggs you get at the market are the eggs that don't hatch so it's not like your eating a future chick.
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Post by: The Dude on February 07, 2009, 12:24:04 am
Alright, maybe just thinking about this too hard. Typical.
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Post by: Tosoto on February 07, 2009, 03:13:24 am
Some extra reading for more PETA silliness.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
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Post by: Doktormartini on February 07, 2009, 03:25:11 am
Some extra reading for more PETA silliness.

http://www.petakillsanimals.com/
Except that site is run by the Center for Consumer Freedom
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivistCash
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Post by: dragonx on February 07, 2009, 03:30:07 am
better dead than fed, peta says:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL

oh sorry this one is run by ~some newspaper~
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Post by: Doktormartini on February 07, 2009, 03:32:05 am
better dead than fed, peta says:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2005/06/23/EDG11DC9BK1.DTL

oh sorry this one is run by ~some newspaper~
I'm not denying that PeTA is horrible and I stated that I hate them earlier just pointing out that the Center for Consumer Freedom is pretty bad too.
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Post by: Alec on February 07, 2009, 05:04:20 am
did she say it just like that?  YOURHERO, CLEAN UP THAT SPILL.  i'm glad old spanish ladies don't call me by internet handles

nah really this would be the most badass thing if you just had this old spanish lady calling you yourhero.
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Post by: YourHero on February 09, 2009, 04:20:32 am
no, but she did add a random "maria" infront of my name everytime she said it. she also called tomas "tomas-sito" and other... creative names for a dude called fuckundo.
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Post by: Kaworu on February 09, 2009, 05:06:04 pm
Maria-yourhero
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Post by: Dulcinea on February 10, 2009, 06:55:59 pm
That's a really sexist ad. Kind of ironic..."respect animals but don't respect women."

I really want some broccoli now.
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Post by: elkalo on February 11, 2009, 12:53:30 am
Yes it is. They even showcased it on MySpace. Anyways Im gonna go play with my sexsea kitten.
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Post by: Sredni Vashtar on February 11, 2009, 01:13:55 am
Wow, that center for consumer freedom site is terrible. Their "About Us" page makes them seem like some freedom-protecting organization that advocates actual consumer rights and then the rest of their site talks almost exclusively condescends on anyone who thinks obesity is a problem.

That and I don't think I've ever seen an organization who tried to veil their intentions so thinly.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 11, 2009, 04:06:00 am
That's a really sexist ad. Kind of ironic..."respect animals but don't respect women."

I guess they were trying to appeal to the audience at the superbowl. but this is dumb because as you pointed out (and I'm really surprised you're the first!) this is shooting your other, MUCH LARGER, audience, of WOMEN, right in the face.

what I expected and would have honestly loved to see was just the gayest add. dudes holding carrots between their groins, sponging off each other with broccoli in the shower. I'm not even kidding I think that would engender a lot of respect for PETA.

OH NO HOMOPHOBES WON'T LIKE IT yeah like homophobes are gonna care about animal rights.