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Title: buying cds
Post by: ThugTears666 on February 12, 2009, 05:51:28 am
I have quite a good cd collection but today I had a bit of money and went to two different cd stores and found that I had downloaded everything and wasn't willing to risk money on an album without downloading a few songs first. I was extremely picky and left the store empty handed so I think that in a way downloading music has ruined the thrill of buying cds for me! I haven't brought one in a while and only buy certain artists now days.

Do you guys still buy albums or do you download everything? How has downloading effecting how many albums you buy?
Title: buying cds
Post by: Ryan on February 12, 2009, 05:53:21 am
i used to buy CDs regularly when i was workin. now i just download stuff. i usually download things from an artist first if i'm not familiar with them tho.
Title: buying cds
Post by: headphonics on February 12, 2009, 05:59:16 am
i wouldnt own a cd if you paid me, man.  i do not want any PHYSICAL MUSIC.  it is a pain in the ass.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Farren on February 12, 2009, 06:57:57 am
yeah and really why would you even bother if you can get it FOR FREE

Besides, I could never find any of the music I like in any CD store around here
Title: buying cds
Post by: WunderBread on February 12, 2009, 07:01:27 am
I don't think I've ever actually purchased a CD in my life (as far as I can remember), so downloading has not really affected how many albums I buy. I usually don't follow particular artists (I just like songs), so I hardly get full albums. However, there are some artists where I do occasionally pick up CDs from the library and burn them onto my computer. I don't get too much music very often (maybe, like, one or two songs per week) it's not a huge thing.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Doktormartini on February 12, 2009, 07:02:03 am
I download lots of music but I also buy music.  I listen to actual cd's in my car and I just like to collect them.  For example, I am trying to collect Tangerine Dream Cd's.  I have about 35 (and they have like over 150).
Title: buying cds
Post by: Barack Obama on February 12, 2009, 07:55:47 am
I regularly buy vinyl but I can't remember the last CD I bought. I never really got a 'thrill' from buying shit though.
Title: buying cds
Post by: DS on February 12, 2009, 07:57:33 am
there are two very good cd stores here and i buy cds every now and then. i download waaaaaaaaaaay more but i like to buy albums too but yeah, i don't really blindly buy anything, i just buy music from artists i really like or when i see some good cd which is cheap. i also buy cds straight from the artists so that way they'll get more profit.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Kaworu on February 12, 2009, 05:18:52 pm
I buy albums, I download stuff and buy what I like, I buy stuff that's too obscure/limited to download, and I impulse buy. I can buy albums I've never heard of before if I am familiar with the artist, or if it's in the sale and I think I would like (I got herbie Hancock's headhunters because his name sounded familiar, and no other reason... I love the ablum!)
Amazon is great because you can pick stuff up cheap and shit, so yay, Crazy World of Arthur brown! yay, obscure Daevid Allen releases that're to rare to find a download for! Yay, Acid Mothers Temple releases with great artwork!

I really enjoy owning a physical copy of the music, and most good musics (most, not all) tend to go way over the top with numerous bonus tracks, cool booklets with great gatefold artowrk(that has been kinda badly shrunk from lp case to cd size) and such. It's nice to sit there with like, I dunno, Love's "Forever Changes"(an impulse buy, I brought that and "The forever changes concert" at the same time even though the latter is essentially the whole album but just... live, I'd 100% recommend them both to everyone) and listen to the music, whilst reading about the artists' thoughts about what went into it.

I have well over 200 albums on CD( 40+ of them Zappa). Some of them like ELP's Tarkus(brought because I like the cover, and the name rung a bell) ended up being a disappointment, some like Pink Floyd's Saucer full of Secrets ended up a really nice suprise(I'd thought Piper... was their only psyche album) Stuff like Captain Beefheart was a mind-blowing suprise. I'd heard about him but didn't know what he soounded like until I impulse brought Trout Mask Replica.
It might seem risky to spend money on something you don't know you'll like, but shop around, and when you hit gold it's great, much more satisfying than downoading from some random blogspot.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Vellfire on February 12, 2009, 05:27:49 pm
If I want the whole album, I buy the CD.  If I don't know if I want all of it or I just want a few songs, I download them.
Title: buying cds
Post by: the bloddy ghost on February 12, 2009, 06:09:19 pm
i download a crap load of music because my desire for music is far bigger than my wallet right now. but when I have money, I buy music.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Bonehead on February 12, 2009, 06:12:04 pm
Lately I've been buying most albums I've downloaded that I enjoyed. I bought alot of albums when I was young too and
the smell of a new album booklet is like the greatest thing ever. I usually download stuff I never heard of or stuff that I
can't get anywhere without importing it for 10 times the normal price (first three Alice Cooper albums are N/A in sweden ;_;)

edit
oh and thanks to downloading, I've found lots of cool music that I wouldn't have simply because it's 1000x harder to find if you wanna buy it.
Title: buying cds
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on February 12, 2009, 07:25:13 pm
what's a cd?
Title: buying cds
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on February 12, 2009, 07:26:48 pm
I only buy a band's CD if it's really good, ie a buncha sonic youth ones, MBV, joy division, etc.

i went through a period of like 3-4 years where i didn't buy a single cd, but i found a pretty sweet store that sells good shit for 7.99 as opposed to HMV's ridiculous $20+ (and a lack of good bands) so i bought some things recently. i usually don't, though.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Wash Cycle on February 12, 2009, 07:58:11 pm
most of the music I have been getting into lately is out of print so no cds for me

but yeah I've never had much discretionary income in my life anyway and cds are really overpriced so I've never really bought cds much. before I got an mp3 player I bought a lot of blank cds but yeah.. basically ever since my family got broadband when I was like 12 I've been almost exclusively downloading my music
Title: buying cds
Post by: ATARI on February 13, 2009, 01:40:17 am
I buy a select few CDs when they are released from my favorite artists, or albums that i feel are absolutely essential to have.  For the most part though, I have already downloaded the album I bought before purchasing it, and really only listen to the actual CDs when I'm making long car trips (which is really only when I go home for breaks)
Title: buying cds
Post by: big ass skelly on February 13, 2009, 02:08:17 am
If I was gonna buy music (I don't )I'd buy vinyl cause there's something way more satisfying about slipping that shit out of its sleeve and layin it down than fiddling with a nasty little plastic case
Title: buying cds
Post by: ATARI on February 13, 2009, 04:22:17 am
mmmm jhust love the sound of plastic against a laser
Title: buying cds
Post by: Mongoloid on February 13, 2009, 09:00:50 am
I ALWAYS buy a cd regardless of how many songs I want yada yada yada. I throw away the jewels but I have a dresser drawer designated to keeping the inserts.

The only time I ever buy mp3s is if I want a single song for my ipod, which usually only ends up being a hit 80s song here and there or maybe a trendy new pop song I hear the kids playing but wouldn't be caught dead with in physical form.
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Post by: bonermobile on February 13, 2009, 10:56:50 am
i haven't bought a cd in years, whats the point of having a useless piece of plastic if im gonna put it on my pc/mp3 player anyway.
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Post by: Kaworu on February 13, 2009, 11:02:35 am
to... support the artist and music industry?
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Post by: Vellfire on February 13, 2009, 01:48:00 pm
Quote from: BobJustBob on February 13, 2009, 10:56:50 am
i haven't bought a cd in years, whats the point of having a useless piece of plastic if im gonna put it on my pc/mp3 player anyway.

because my car has no sort of ipod adapter and so i have to use an fm adapter which is a pain in the ass and gets static sometimes and so as long as i'm not on the interstate where changing cd's is harder i'd rather just pop in the cd
Title: buying cds
Post by: big ass skelly on February 13, 2009, 03:30:14 pm
Quote from: The Octave Doctor on February 13, 2009, 11:02:35 am
to... support the artist and music industry?
I hate the music industry, that's why I listen to tool
Title: buying cds
Post by: ATARI on February 13, 2009, 04:15:39 pm
Quote from: Velfarre on February 13, 2009, 01:48:00 pm
because my car has no sort of ipod adapter and so i have to use an fm adapter which is a pain in the ass and gets static sometimes and so as long as i'm not on the interstate where changing cd's is harder i'd rather just pop in the cd
not to mention that an actual CD is going to sound a lot better than an ipod anyway
Title: buying cds
Post by: the_hoodie on February 13, 2009, 09:09:23 pm
When I was 12, I bought CDs. Then I discovered the magic of Bittorrent. You can finish the story.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Verne on February 16, 2009, 05:42:07 am
Quote from: the_hoodie on February 13, 2009, 09:09:23 pm
When I was 12, I bought CDs. Then I discovered the magic of Bittorrent. You can finish the story.

They were magical years. So much music available. A new musical experience for each day. I was so happy.

Then one day, they came. They crushed down the door and dragged me away. A few days later I found myself in the court room. I was scared... the battle went on for days until the Judge passed his judgement. Thousands of dollars and some prison time. I knew I was fucked. That's how my life ended. Thanks BitTorrent!
Title: buying cds
Post by: Barack Obama on February 16, 2009, 10:04:08 am
i stopped buying CDs when napster came out, that was da shiiiiiiiiiit
Title: buying cds
Post by: Vellfire on February 16, 2009, 01:45:33 pm
Quote from: DietCoke on February 16, 2009, 10:04:08 am
i stopped buying CDs when napster came out, that was da shiiiiiiiiiit

napster just gave me access to music i couldn't find CD's of (but it was all shitty anime music because it was so many years ago)
Title: buying cds
Post by: Ragnar on February 16, 2009, 05:13:36 pm
Quote from: Velfarre on February 16, 2009, 01:45:33 pm
napster just gave me access to music i couldn't find CD's of (but it was all shitty anime music because it was so many years ago)

this

I can't tell if there's like exponentially more music on fileshare now or if it's just that I was searching for BGM all the time

I still think youtube has more free songs than Napster ever did though
Title: buying cds
Post by: tuxedo marx on February 16, 2009, 06:04:37 pm
Quote from: Mark on February 13, 2009, 02:08:17 am
If I was gonna buy music (I don't )I'd buy vinyl cause there's something way more satisfying about slipping that shit out of its sleeve and layin it down than fiddling with a nasty little plastic case
fuckin' right. not least because i listen to old shit which is mostly on vinyl anyway. also with vinyl you get actual sleeves rather than shitty booklets with one or two pictures, that really ticks me off. put some effort in guys!
Title: buying cds
Post by: Vellfire on February 16, 2009, 07:18:33 pm
Yeah, usually if it's an older album that I really give a shit about (or find really cheap at the flea market), I'll buy it on vinyl just for the better presentation.  Plus, it kind of makes me listen to a full album more than I would with a CD, because I get impatient waiting for my favorite songs so I skip past other ones and sometimes take a long time to ever really hear them.  With vinyl, it's harder to skip songs, so I just listen to the whole thing.
Title: buying cds
Post by: thecatamites on February 16, 2009, 07:48:47 pm
I haven't bought any CDs in ages, partly because I have no money and partly because the selection in all the local shops is pretty shit most of the time. I still buy them when I get a chance, though, since I really hate listening to music on my computer and just having a box of blank CDs honestly feels pretty impersonal and makes me less willing to spend time on an album than I regularly would. Maybe it's just the amount of stuff I download but I have a bad habit of just like skimming albums on the computer and then forgetting about them if they don't grab me, which is sad since all my favorite albums are ones I absolutely hated when I first listened to them. Also stuff like lyric sheets are cool and pretty much essential for any stuff with non-english words.

Also I kinda find it more fun to buy albums, I guess. Not in the sense of possessing something but there's a great sense of discovery you can get from looking through shitty 2nd-hand racks that I never really got from downloading, and there's also kind of a risk factor in buying stuff from bands you don't know at all that can be frustrating (whoops just bought a shitty live bootleg that sounds like it was recorded in a cabinet three miles away from the venue) but can also be pretty cool when you accidentally get one of those great overlooked albums you wouldn't have bothered with otherwise if you were just going by blog reviews or whatever.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Wash Cycle on February 16, 2009, 09:51:44 pm
yeah I really miss the experience of lyrics sheets from the albums that I had when I was a kid. you get so much more into the music when you know the words. I guess for a long time lyrics weren't really that important to me (explains why I was able to tolerate power metal I guess) but I'm starting to get more into that aspect of music and I really wish I knew the lyrics better to a lot of the music I have, but it is kind of impossible to find them sometimes heh because people are gay and transliterate the lyrics all stupidly and I cant figure out from the song or from the lyrics online what the word is to look up in the dictionary and it makes me really angry cause I know it is rumi and I know I have heard it a million times before but I'll give an example

figuring out a lyric such as:

andak andak jam'-e mastaan mi-resand (arguably one of the most famous lines in all persian poetry and looks like this: اندک اندک جمع مستان می رسند ) is much easier than figuring out something such as:

Man ghulam qamaram ghair qamar aich mago Pesh-e man joz sukhan shahd-o shakar hich magoo

which to me means nothing because I cant tell which letter they are representing with /gh/ and /ai/ and there is also the question of where the long a's fall as well which makes a huge difference even though it is from a pretty famous poem

of course figuring out english lyrics can also be a pain in the ass with singers such as Jello Biafra whose vocalizations are oftentimes incomprehensible when they really get going lol
Title: buying cds
Post by: Bravo on February 18, 2009, 04:20:25 pm
you know, all your downloading music has ruined the independent and midsized labels and distributors. you're gonna destroy the industry and there'll be no way for new bands to get popularity.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Vellfire on February 18, 2009, 04:31:22 pm
depends on if you download it legally or not
Title: buying cds
Post by: DS on February 18, 2009, 04:39:27 pm
Quote from: Bravo on February 18, 2009, 04:20:25 pm
you know, all your downloading music has ruined the independent and midsized labels and distributors. you're gonna destroy the industry and there'll be no way for new bands to get popularity.
Although it's obvious that lots of obscure bands from the last decades wouldn't be remembered anymore, I can bet almost anything that it's largely thanks to the internet and downloading that there are so many bands around these days, likely much more than there has ever been. Internet is the best way they'll get exposure for sure. It's definitely an inspiration and does much more good than harm to the industry from listener's and musician's point of view. Internet is THE way for bands to get popularity so get your facts straight sonny............
Title: buying cds
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 18, 2009, 05:24:33 pm
Quote from: Bravo on February 18, 2009, 04:20:25 pm
you know, all your downloading music has ruined the independent and midsized labels and distributors. you're gonna destroy the industry and there'll be no way for new bands to get popularity.

WHOA ITSTIME TO GARGLE SHIT AND MAKE SOME DUMB STUFF UP
Title: buying cds
Post by: Barack Obama on February 19, 2009, 04:22:17 am
Quote from: Bravo on February 18, 2009, 04:20:25 pm
you know, all your downloading music has ruined the independent and midsized labels and distributors. you're gonna destroy the industry and there'll be no way for new bands to get popularity.

lol no it hasnt, independent music is bigger than it has ever been and indie labels are making a lot of money.
Title: buying cds
Post by: ThugTears666 on February 19, 2009, 05:19:42 am
the internet has created more opportunites for artists to share their music without having to go through a record label dippy
Title: buying cds
Post by: YourHero on February 19, 2009, 05:31:36 am
go to their concerts to support them
Title: buying cds
Post by: Bonehead on February 19, 2009, 04:41:32 pm
Well if a band doesn't sell enough albums to start with, there won't be any concerts :/
Title: buying cds
Post by: Kaworu on February 19, 2009, 05:10:54 pm
I'll be back in a couple of hours, just popping over to japan to hear Acid mothers Temple.
Title: buying cds
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on February 19, 2009, 07:28:00 pm
I might see acid mothers temple in april! they tour quite often, actually.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 19, 2009, 08:12:45 pm
Quote from: Bonehead on February 19, 2009, 04:41:32 pm
Well if a band doesn't sell enough albums to start with, there won't be any concerts :/

yeah there will. most bands do shows before they make albums even. doing gigs gets you shit, even if it's just OPEN BAR FOR YOU.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Barack Obama on February 19, 2009, 08:29:31 pm
Quote from: Bonehead on February 19, 2009, 04:41:32 pm
Well if a band doesn't sell enough albums to start with, there won't be any concerts :/
you've got it backwards
Title: buying cds
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 19, 2009, 08:38:14 pm
yeah I'm kind of more than a little surprised by the weird opinions in this thread.

INTERNET IS KILLING INDIE LABELS
HOW WILL THEY DO SHOWS WITHOUT ALBUMS?
ALBUMS ARE HOW YOU SUPPORT ARTISTS
Title: buying cds
Post by: DS on February 19, 2009, 08:43:11 pm
also i doubt gigs are very profitable unless the band is big enough. gigs are better for promoting your band.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 19, 2009, 08:46:40 pm
what the hell are you talking about, concerts and sales from the merch at those concerts are how most bands make any money at all. even the most indie groups.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Alec on February 19, 2009, 08:50:54 pm
especially the most indie groups.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Wash Cycle on February 19, 2009, 10:17:00 pm
Quote from: DragonSlayer on February 19, 2009, 08:43:11 pm
also i doubt gigs are very profitable unless the band is big enough. gigs are better for promoting your band.
maybe in finland but that aint how it works in amurica

represent
Title: buying cds
Post by: ATARI on February 20, 2009, 12:01:47 am
in finland the only band you can see live is lordi so i i can see why ds is confused...
Title: buying cds
Post by: Bonehead on February 20, 2009, 05:33:55 am
Quote from: Magical Negro on February 19, 2009, 08:12:45 pm
yeah there will. most bands do shows before they make albums even. doing gigs gets you shit, even if it's just OPEN BAR FOR YOU.
Well doh, I kinda meant what Kaworu said. I dunno if the US is 20 years ahead of Sweden but here, the record labels don't give
away free tours to a country which has most downloaders just so that fans can support them by seeing their live shows.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on February 20, 2009, 05:36:42 am
uh

what?

TOURS?

only big names get tours paid for; usually its some guys in a van driving around the country.
Title: buying cds
Post by: Bonehead on February 20, 2009, 05:59:41 am
Lol. We're so not talking about the same thing here, dude.
But hey, let's say I find this band of guys driving around the US. It would be totally awesome to fly to the states and find
them playing in a shithole in the middle of nowhere, but it's way easier to support them by buying their album, even if they
don't get alot of cash for it (think I've read somewhere it's like 0.1 euro per sold album lol). You get my point?


Man makes me think of this really shitty band from my hometown called Sonic Syndicate. They won a competition at Nuclear
Blast and now they're on a world tour for the second year. Wanna hear the worst thing? On their first album, they had their
uncle play all the solos since they were too shitty, the record label promoted three of them as brothers even though one is
like a faraway cousin just cause it sounded better and they've got 2 singers cause one of them can't sing (you should hear
his Helloween cover that he recorded for himself lol) but he's one of the brothers. Oh and the main reason was that the bassist
is a "hot" babe (she's been voted as the most popular member by hundreds of polls from Nuclear Blast).

Yes. Yes I'm jealous, but I hate when stuff like this happen close to me. Worst thing is that the dudes are actually cool people >_<
Title: buying cds
Post by: Barack Obama on February 20, 2009, 07:16:59 am
you don't really get tours paid for in the US.

What happens is bands usually start local, play the venues in their area making a lil money from covercharges, get a fanbase, rent out studio time, hire someone to produce/or do it themselves, press a record and sell it to the fanbase. The CDs are usually a loss, but its an expense most bands expect and pay for with the money they make playing gigs. If the band gets popular enough they can usually work out a distribution deal and even then they don't get a whole lot of money from selling albums.
SOMETIMES a band gets scouted out by an A&R guy working for a label and gets offered a contract where all these expenses are paid, but most independent music doesn't work that way.

Title: buying cds
Post by: Death Gulp on February 20, 2009, 11:04:05 am
I 'acquire' most of my music in digital form, like iTune, and other.. ways.. but for me I actually like owning a physical copy. CD quality is a little better but I always do download some songs before I buy an album in physical form. (Any form actually). I have so many CD's over the years I just keep getting them although most things are going digital. At least with CD's there is no DRM like on most legit digital music, although iTunes recently got rid of DRM. (You pay more I think though)
Title: buying cds
Post by: Bonehead on February 20, 2009, 01:18:27 pm
Quote from: DietCoke on February 20, 2009, 07:16:59 am
:thumbsupbuddy: (assuming this is directed to me since you guys don't like to use quotes. If not Ignore the below.)
Is it because my line-breaks that you don't read what I say?

Title: buying cds
Post by: ATARI on February 20, 2009, 05:10:24 pm
Quote from: Bonehead on February 20, 2009, 05:59:41 am


Man makes me think of this really shitty band from my hometown called Sonic Syndicate. They won a competition at Nuclear
Blast and now they're on a world tour for the second year. Wanna hear the worst thing? On their first album, they had their
uncle play all the solos since they were too shitty, the record label promoted three of them as brothers even though one is
like a faraway cousin just cause it sounded better and they've got 2 singers cause one of them can't sing (you should hear
his Helloween cover that he recorded for himself lol) but he's one of the brothers. Oh and the main reason was that the bassist
is a "hot" babe (she's been voted as the most popular member by hundreds of polls from Nuclear Blast).




thanks for pointing out this babe to me :)
Title: buying cds
Post by: Alec on February 20, 2009, 05:49:29 pm
By the way even labeled bands that aren't cash machines generally lose money if they put out an album. The label usually loans them the amount they press the disks and then the band pays it off. A lot of times smaller labels will go under and the band will break even.