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Title: Dollhouse - Did I fall asleep?
Post by: Mateui on March 01, 2009, 02:15:11 am
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Here's how wikipedia explains the premise of the show:

Eliza Dushku plays a young woman called Echo, a member of a group of people known as "Actives" or "Dolls". The Dolls have had their personalities wiped clean so they can be imprinted with any number of new personas, including memory, muscle memory, skills, and language, for different assignments (referred to as engagements). The new persona is not an original creation, however, but an amalgam of different, existing personalities. The end result incorporates some of the flaws, not just the strengths, of the people used as templates. The Actives are then hired out for particular jobs – crimes, fantasies, and the occasional good deed. On engagements, Actives are monitored internally (and remotely) by Handlers. In between tasks, they are mind-wiped into a child-like state and live in a futuristic dormitory/laboratory, a hidden facility nicknamed "The Dollhouse". The story follows Echo, who begins, in her mind-wiped state, to become self-aware.

Beyond Dushku's character, the show also revolves around the people who run the mysterious "Dollhouse" and two other "Dolls", Sierra and Victor (played by Dichen Lachman and Enver Gjokaj), who are friendly with Echo. The names of Actives are simply letters in the phonetic alphabet. Although the Actives are ostensibly volunteers, the operation is highly illegal and under constant threat on one end from Paul Ballard, a determined federal agent who has heard a rumor about the Dolls, and an insane rogue Active on the other.

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Three episodes have already aired and I'm already in love with the show and where it's heading. It's a Joss Whedon show, and he's got a great track record in terms of writing for tv (Buffy, Angel, Firefly), but also a terrible record with FOX (Firefly) which means there's already a sense of doom and gloom for fans of this new show. Hopefully it'll make it through the 13-episode run.

So yeah, is anyone else watching this besides me?

The pilot was a little weak (it wasn't initially going to even exist as a pilot...) but episode 2 and 3 have been great. The preview for the next episode looks awesome as well. If you're even slightly interested in the premise I'd give the show a chance.
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Post by: jamie on March 01, 2009, 02:17:11 am
I've been watching it. I think it's been dreadful so far but I'll watch a couple more. I think it's a really dumb idea for a show, the writing has been basic, procedural and humourless. Plus, Joss Whedon is a dumb dick.
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Post by: pburn on March 01, 2009, 02:20:04 am
I've seen all the episodes. I liked Firefly, didn't love it. It was OK in my opinion, not into the whole self contained episodes thing, prefer a continuous plot rather than little progressions. Loved Serenity though.

I'm getting the same vibe from Dollhouse that I get from Firefly. I love the little story progression stuff with the detective doing his thing, but I get bored from Eliza Dushku doing her thing, which often ends up incredibly cheesy. I already think the concept itself is crazy dumb, but I don't hate it. I like the show, but the shit she does every episode barely catches my attention.

Knowing Joss Whedon though, Dollhouse is going to pick up the pace... But I'll still be bored like I was with Firefly.
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Post by: xanque on March 01, 2009, 02:21:22 am
I've only seen the first episode, but it was pretty disappointing.  I'm one of those HOW THE HELL COULD THEY CANCEL FIREFLY people, but the premise of this one is so uninteresting.  

I haven't been all that excited even keeping up with the news before this show aired.  Maybe it's because I'm watching so many other shows that adding another one seems tedious.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 01, 2009, 02:24:01 am
this is one of hte worst shows on tv atm BUT

joss whedon did not start writing the script until ep 5.
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Post by: headphonics on March 01, 2009, 02:24:57 am
it's pr. bad yea.  whoa she's hot....also whoa the plot goes deeper.....mystery.....whats with her past...Alpha

idk i cant even make a cohesive joke about this.  it just seems really dumb to me.  i watched the first two eps but here's what annoyed me:

-shitty contrived dialogue
-that nerd guy is the worst character and is really like the most contrived one of all
-really poor exposition.  like, incredibly ham-fisted.  heh oh wait you cant............because ya dont remember LOL.  good writing.   gooooooood writing.
-really fucken predictable.  whoa her memory's not being fully erased....and in the end it was her FLAWS that saved the day, not her skills.  looks like....looks like programming them to be imperfect humans was the right move after all ahaha who wrote this
-stupid mysterious DARK SECRET PAST//WHOIS ALPHA WHATS HIS AGENDA bullshit already seems overdone in the first and second episodes.
-no one on the cast is very good at acting
-tons of gratuitously hot people.  doesn't josh whedon get awards for being feminist/progressive?  why does he exclusively cast hot women?  dushku is plainly EYE CANDY and this is the opposite of what he's regularly lauded for
-really terrible, terrible fight scenes.  ahh classic whedon
-the HOT BABE in the lead thing actually really annoys me, man.  gonna have to bring this up again.  the intro is so fucking terrible.  *pulls up stocking, is lethal*.  gimme a fucking break
-cryptic exchanges between brisk british woman and her subordinate dude.  how artfully done!!!
-veritable motherfucking smorgasbord of smalltime television stars.  this isn't a good thing

so yea it blows a lot
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Post by: pburn on March 01, 2009, 02:29:33 am
Ok, I admit it, this show sucks. I was trying to find a reason to like it since I like Joss Whedon.
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Post by: Ragnar on March 01, 2009, 02:29:48 am
yeah we don't have any tv anymore so I was watching this

it's really bad and should be one of those Sunday afternoon shows like BEASTMASTER or Xena Hercules etc. and that Pamela Anderson spy show

although I was watching and it did have the best transition into a sex shot ever - I think it was something guy shoots arrow ---> two of them fall back onto bed

I dunno you had to be there it was just funny because it was so bad like not even the dirtiest innuendo I'd say bow and arrow is a pretty average sexual metaphor
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Post by: headphonics on March 01, 2009, 02:33:16 am
sunday afternoon.  man, has anyone seen crusoe?  its so fucking bad and it seems like it is AUTOMATICALLY a weekend afternoon show from the 90s even though it is being made in 2008 but despite this i think it might actually be primetime??  its really bad though.  it is like seeing something that looks like it should be a straight to dvd movie come out in the theaters and being like WAIT HOWD THIS HAPPEN
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Post by: Ragnar on March 01, 2009, 02:45:39 am
They should've made this as an anime then they could sell the boxset for $399.95 at FYE along with a single of the opening song "Watashi no ai ga daisuki desu ne yo na" with karaoke version etc etc.
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Post by: pburn on March 01, 2009, 02:51:10 am
Yeah, if this was an anime it'd definitely be a hit. "Intelligent" anime like Death Note.
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Post by: headphonics on March 01, 2009, 02:56:15 am
now that you mention it yea this sounds exactly like an anime
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Post by: Massy2k6 on March 01, 2009, 02:57:42 am
I downloaded the released eps but havnt had time to watch any, although I wasnt too interested in the story in the first place.. it was more for my dad thinking he may enjoy it, anyway sounds like this show sucks to everyone but eventually when I have nothing left to watch im sure ill end up checking this out.. Ive liked Eliza Dusku(sp) since Buffy and she wasnt to bad in Tru Calling.
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Post by: Ragnar on March 01, 2009, 03:00:34 am
Quote from: headphonics on March 01, 2009, 02:56:15 am
now that you mention it yea this sounds exactly like an anime

even the names for everything sound like something that should be in katakana and sound nothing like it's actually pronounced and have a perfectly serviceable word for it in the native language already but use the phonetic English version anyway

DOORUU

AKUTEEBU

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Post by: big ass skelly on March 01, 2009, 05:16:27 pm
Aahah yeah this is a plot to an anime.

Also is joss weadon the asshole who wrote that serenity movie I watched the other day? waste of fucken time
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Post by: Mongoloid on March 02, 2009, 08:37:11 am
Wait are Buffy and Angel considered good? Like I watch Angel at like 5am just because it's either that or infomercials and it constantly impresses me at how they take potentially good ideas and throw them into the sewer.
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Post by: headphonics on March 02, 2009, 02:27:41 pm
theyre considered great//amazing but tbh i find them pretty mediocre now too.  i've seen all the eps of both and good ideas are hampered for me by contrived dialogue/predictable characters/really dumb fight scenes.  the plot arcs can be pr. silly too.  i think people latch onto it because in relative terms it is pretty good compared to other tv.  a lot of terms like "character-driven" and "character development" come up, and this is all true, but i don't think any of it is particularly GREAT.  it's just THERE and that is good enough for people i guess.  whedon has a lot of rabid fans tho so yeah theyre both considered to be FANTASTIC among whedonites i think.  watching some episodes recently, it can be pretty bad in retrospect.
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Post by: jamie on March 02, 2009, 02:43:28 pm
i watched some buffy and angel pretty recently too and yes they are not good shows for adults. they're okay, they aren't totally stupid and have some good episodes. buffy is good i guess in some episodes from season 2 and 3, with a couple stragglers in seasons 4 and 5 but apart from that it's more or less a really bad show i think. angel's good episodes are more evenly spread if i remember right, but i think season 2 of angel was as close as that show came to being good. there was still a lot of bad plots and IRONY MUCH? type of dialogue, but i can still enjoy some of the storylines in that year cos it's all very in the streets and stuff so it feels a bit more interesting.

firefly is funnier than buffy and angel but aside from that it's kind of the same deal.

like i said i think joss whedon is pretty dumb and the reason people go nuts for him is cos he works in sci-fi and fantasy and that's where the nutters live, also he really indulges in shipper relationship stuff which some people just gorge on in really embarassing ways. he also makes attempts at telling story arcs, sometimes, which i have always liked and it's why i enjoyed buffy and angel when i was younger. that used to be a bigger thing than it is now with even shithouses like lost and heroes being serials rather than standalone series.

he gets props for being a feminist writer or something which i've never seen because giving one woman in your tv show the special powers to kick vamps in the balls does not make it feminist at all? it seems the opposite to me, like this one SPECIAL GIRL can be strong cos she's got an excuse but all the others are just silly weaklings who throw plastic pots at danger and cry. especially when every other female character in all of your shows gets kidnapped/does a striptease/hunted/attempted raped or whatever in every single episode

if it was just the one show where joss made all the same missteps regarding feminism i could maybe buy that he can't represent every kind of woman in the one show since there are only so many characters but in what are now 4 shows he has done the exact same things and they are all either hollow or exploitative.


edit:

actually thinking a little more maybe it isn't an explicitly feminist problem i've got with the guy but just that he can't write characters for shit and keeps returning to the same dozen joss whedon originals. cos in all of his shows there is a STRONG LADY but only one of course, and then there are the weird damaged girls, the nerdy but genius in some regard women etc. but there are also these types for the males too - there's at least one xander in all of his shows (i don't think he realises this character stopped being remotely endearing about 3 seth cohens ago?), there's always a brooding handsome guy, there's the sage older man. and so on.


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Post by: Kaworu on March 02, 2009, 03:52:58 pm
buffy and angel aren't conscidered legitimately good by anybody who is over 15 or has read... a book. They serve the nerd and teenage girl(angel, he's soooo handsome and mysterious and his name is... angel *anime swoon* how sweet and romantic) fandom and that's it. Luckily the general public seems to have forgotten they ever existed, and the world is a safe place that way. Just now they've been replaced by twilight...
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Post by: Ryan on March 02, 2009, 05:55:18 pm
buffy and angel are stupid as hell man.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 02, 2009, 06:04:42 pm
one of the professors at NC State pioneered Buffy studies btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_studies
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Post by: ase on March 02, 2009, 06:35:00 pm
jesus christ i can't believe that!
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Post by: Cho on March 03, 2009, 07:17:48 am
Quote from: headphonics on March 01, 2009, 02:24:57 am
-tons of gratuitously hot people.  doesn't josh whedon get awards for being feminist/progressive?  why does he exclusively cast hot women?  dushku is plainly EYE CANDY and this is the opposite of what he's regularly lauded for

See he's making a statement about women and how they're sexually exploited! (Basically all you have to do is say you're making a statement and that makes it ok to have Dushku prance around half naked for 44 minutes)

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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 03, 2009, 10:53:32 pm
i would say calling this anti-feminist might not even be strong enough.
ep 1: tackles not just the issue of women being basically hypnotized into having sex with men (it's not rape because they think it's voluntary) but also of childhood rape as a character flaw. wow
ep 2: makes a woman run through the woods being pursued by a man who is hunting her just after he fucked her.
ep 3: makes her into a worthless pop star back up dancer. the pop star is attracted to a stalker who wants to kill her. she also takes off her top in the middle of a crowded warehouse because she's told to.
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Post by: jamie on March 04, 2009, 02:32:55 am
well, yeah, steel. i really hate this shit so far.
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Post by: headphonics on March 04, 2009, 02:52:40 am
wait, what was ep 1 about again?  im not sure i got all that out of it
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Post by: big ass skelly on March 04, 2009, 02:21:22 pm
Pretty sure it's a little deep for you maggot
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Post by: jamie on March 04, 2009, 02:35:35 pm
Quote from: headphonics on March 04, 2009, 02:52:40 am
wait, what was ep 1 about again?  im not sure i got all that out of it

pretty sure the childhood rape part was about the how the sexy librarian hostage negotiator with cleavage persona was raped as a child and they play it off as a weakness because it is that which fucks the job up and loses the little girl.

the hypnotism part was at the start of the episode where echo is on a date with some guy as a girl of his dreams or something and the guys can have sex with the women on these date situations among others.
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Post by: Shadow Kirby on March 04, 2009, 06:27:05 pm
I like this show for what it gives me, Eliza Dushku walking around half-naked. It's not brilliant or anything but beats anything else on tv on Friday nights.
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Post by: Mateui on March 21, 2009, 03:37:18 pm
It's a shame this was up against BSG last night, but I finally got to watch the episode this morning and it was awesome! Finally the show has stopped falling into an 'engagement of the week' type deal and has introduced an overall plotline that is intriguing. I loved the interviews of random people throughout the episode, that was a nice touch. The comedic moments were great too, from the guy that wanted to experience man on man action and the look of his girlfriend's face, to Echo yelling about Porn during her engagement. The actress who plays Agent Ballard's neighbour was great too - her transition from civilian to doll was amazingly executed, the change in her facial expression was dead on. Kudos to her, and nice little twist (although I knew she was cast as Doll... I had no idea that she was a sleeper agent).

I wonder who is working with Alpha on the inside? My money is on the Asian chick working with the programmer nerd. She would have access to the imprint and be able to insert a hidden algorithm or too.

Also, it was neat to learn that there are other Dollhouses around the world. I really hope this show goes onto season 2 in order to explore the interplay between them. If the rest of the episodes are as good as this one perhaps word of mouth will spread and people will come back to this show or start watching it. If not, then I hope Joss anticipated this and at least wrote a satisfying conclusion to the season.
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Post by: pburn on March 21, 2009, 06:41:30 pm
I liked the last episode. Shit actually happened, there's actually a main conflict. The interviews made me cringe, but everything is really coming together.

I also like what Whedon did to try to "sympathize" with the tv dude and whatnot.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 21, 2009, 07:32:31 pm
those interviews were also horrible.

also: "the judge will throw the kindle at you" ahhhhhhh shut up.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 21, 2009, 07:39:16 pm
lift up ya dress POW that wasn't quiet someone should probably kill joss whedon at this point.

you know who I want to make a commentary about sexual abuse for basically the mentally invalid? the creator of buffy.

edit: friday night lights is on fridays and is apparently very good. just saying there's other stuff going on.
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Post by: Mateui on March 21, 2009, 09:30:39 pm
Quote from: Magical Negro on March 21, 2009, 07:39:16 pm
edit: friday night lights is on fridays and is apparently very good. just saying there's other stuff going on.
The problem with that is that it's on NBC, and is apparently about football. (And not really european football :blarg:​). Did I mention that it's also on NBC????
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Post by: ATARI on March 21, 2009, 10:38:15 pm
that post makes more sense when you remember that NBC killed Mateui's parents
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Post by: Mateui on March 21, 2009, 11:04:59 pm
Quote from: straightXedge on March 21, 2009, 10:38:15 pm
that post makes more sense when you remember that NBC killed Mateui's parents
Actually, NBC fails to satisfy my reality show quota

 :fogetrockon:
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Post by: Ragnar on March 22, 2009, 12:43:19 am
Quote from: Magical Negro on March 02, 2009, 06:04:42 pm
one of the professors at NC State pioneered Buffy studies btw: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buffy_studies

at least that first course is about how Buffy fails

there should be more courses about how things are wrong/suck/fail - like a REALLY BAD Creative Writing course like where you just have to make the paper awful in as many ways as possible but you know do it on purpose because you understand it's the wrong way

there probably is a college course on B-movies huh but it's probably completely serious like Tarantino is the professor
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Post by: ATARI on March 22, 2009, 05:17:15 am
Quote from: Mateui on March 21, 2009, 11:04:59 pm
Actually, NBC fails to satisfy my reality show quota

 :fogetrockon:
should've quit while you were ahead bro
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Post by: headphonics on March 22, 2009, 07:45:19 am
friday night lights isnt that good.  it's very HIGH SCHOOLISH.  "believe me...........your all i have in this world jason........." ~ high school cheerleader with loving, wealthy family, tons of friends, and great prospects.  yep.  also it's riddled with archetypes.  heh look at me im the cocky black athlete *showboats*.  hey look over here im the brooding badboy *sinks into a depression, drinks to console self, somehow doesn't come across as pathetic while doing it but rather tragically romantic, is playing football throughout this entire process for some reason*.  also there are about five different characters who are completely bland and have two defining traits: a) nice, well-mannered southern boy, and b) good at football.  this includes the main character

i mean it's a high school drama; there's only so good it can be.  my brother suggested it but he likes smallville, so you know.  its saving grace is that a good portion of its cast is adult but even their characters can be kinda dumb and the kids are genuinely insufferable a large portion of the time.  the coach's daughter especially is really just fucking awful.  remember that family guy cutaway where they were making fun of one tree hill and the one dude was like "i've got so many problems. . ." and the other was like "nothing in life will ever be more important than what's happening right now, by these lockers"?  it is like that.  except that was parody and this is earnest.  i watched a season and a half before coming to the conclusion that it's dumb for a lot of reasons.  it's watchable and it's a step above the other HIGH SCHOOL DRAMAS but it still suffers from the same stereotypical characters and melodramatic writing that make all those shows stupid!!!
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Post by: headphonics on March 22, 2009, 07:49:41 am
also the setting is really irritating.  like a show based around high school football.  why.  everyone in the town takes it so seriously and the only people who have any business doing so are the players who're trying to get scholarships and the coach who'll get fired if he loses too many games.  the rest of them are just pathetic and absurd and it's difficult to overcome this.  it's funny when koth does it because it's a comedy but when a serious drama does it, you just kinda wanna roll your eyes.  i heard the movie version and that other movie, varsity blues, handled it well but to make it into a high school drama series that should be on the wb is kind of different and the setting is ill-suited for it.


and nah im not gonna talk about dollhouse in this topic.  fuck dollhouse, fuck joss whedon.  show blows The End!!!
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Post by: Randy Moist on March 22, 2009, 08:44:17 am
Uhhhhh I think you already know this and are ranting about how dumb it is in reality, but in case you don't know, High School football actually means a great deal in the Southern/Texas local culture. Making a show about it is like a cop show over dramatizing police work in the sense that there is some basic level of excitement and the it tries to funnel all the excitement to one team/one set of cops. But king of the hill is making fun of this culture and friday night lights, varsity blues and remember the titans are all embracing it.
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Post by: headphonics on March 22, 2009, 09:13:09 am
no of course i know this.  it's based on reality, i am aware.  i'm saying it's a dumb setting not because it's unrealistic or lacks believability but because it's really sad and pathetic how much of themselves these people invest in fucking high school football.  it's gross!  just because it exists does not mean you should use it as a setting.  i am sure somewhere in the deep south they pine for the old days when niggers didn't dine in the same restaurants and i wouldn't want to see a town like that used as a setting for a television show either.  it's a bad setting because it's already really dumb when it happens in reality and making a show about it is even worse.

but the melodrama comment i made wasn't even referring to the football thing at all.  i don't think it's very melodramatic on that front; mostly it's just that the town cares too much.  it's almost presented as a foregone conclusion.  although one time some guy threw a brick through a window so idk.  but yeah the melodrama comes from TEEN ROMANCE 95% of the time and this is intolerable and has nothing to do with fucked up texas culture.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 22, 2009, 07:44:22 pm
i've never seen it i just can't imagine it's worse than dollhouse.
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Post by: Kaworu on March 22, 2009, 07:49:05 pm
dollhouse reminds me of exploitation movies.
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Post by: Xeno|Soft on March 22, 2009, 09:18:25 pm





Quote from: headphonics on March 22, 2009, 09:13:09 am
no of course i know this.  it's based on reality, i am aware.  i'm saying it's a dumb setting not because it's unrealistic or lacks believability but because it's really sad and pathetic how much of themselves these people invest in fucking high school football.  it's gross!  just because it exists does not mean you should use it as a setting.  i am sure somewhere in the deep south they pine for the old days when niggers didn't dine in the same restaurants and i wouldn't want to see a town like that used as a setting for a television show either.  it's a bad setting because it's already really dumb when it happens in reality and making a show about it is even worse.

but the melodrama comment i made wasn't even referring to the football thing at all.  i don't think it's very melodramatic on that front; mostly it's just that the town cares too much.  it's almost presented as a foregone conclusion.  although one time some guy threw a brick through a window so idk.  but yeah the melodrama comes from TEEN ROMANCE 95% of the time and this is intolerable and has nothing to do with fucked up texas culture.


What? why is it a dumb setting? because they love it? football is an awsome sport and of course you have extreme people in anything. Man your  comment hurts my brain. it's dumb because people invest themselves into something they love? I understand people who go too far, yes but that isn't exlcusive to football or the texas football setting.

man I dunno how to even go into this.


TEEN drama? what the hell, you want them to ignore their personal lives? they are TEENS, were you expecting some other type of drama from tv show based on....teens. and compared to teen based drama shows like "One tree hill" this drama doesn't even reach 1% to me. give me an example of how they go over the top with the teen drama, I can't think of anything at all.



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Post by: Farren on March 22, 2009, 09:49:10 pm
he said its dumb because its fucking highschool football and real adults wouldn't invest so much time and interest into it.

But really I live in the south and we've got a pretty big highschool football following around here. From students and their friends parents to older people that just go to watch the game or because they know someone on the team or at the school. So it is pretty big. Up to a few thousand people going to see a game sometimes I think (especially rivalries).

So I'd understand people not having sons/daughters on the team being interested by it or some shit but I don't watch this show and haven't seen it so I wouldn't know what exactly you're talking about when you mention people obsessing about it.
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Post by: Kaworu on March 22, 2009, 10:06:52 pm
i... don't think adults are meant to watch that kinda shit
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Post by: Kaworu on March 22, 2009, 10:07:27 pm
60 year old gramps' review on latest series of sweet valley high
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Post by: Xeno|Soft on March 22, 2009, 10:29:50 pm
Quote from: Coxswain on March 22, 2009, 09:49:10 pm
he said its dumb because its fucking highschool football and real adults wouldn't invest so much time and interest into it.

But really I live in the south and we've got a pretty big highschool football following around here. From students and their friends parents to older people that just go to watch the game or because they know someone on the team or at the school. So it is pretty big. Up to a few thousand people going to see a game sometimes I think (especially rivalries).

So I'd understand people not having sons/daughters on the team being interested by it or some shit but I don't watch this show and haven't seen it so I wouldn't know what exactly you're talking about when you mention people obsessing about it.

But apparently they do...I remember reading a lot of articles on friday night lights (the movie) they realy did (at least back in the day) close down stores for friday night games. They really did take it that serousley in a lot of areas.
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Post by: Kaworu on March 22, 2009, 10:31:13 pm
just because they do something doesn't mean it's less dumb.
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Post by: Xeno|Soft on March 22, 2009, 10:40:40 pm
That's not dumb. It's just not something YOU wouldn't do. Why is it dumb to invest into high school football? If you love football like some towns do, you can't go to college games because you might not have a college in your town, you can't go to NFL games because the NFL is expensive and spread across the nation.

High school football is local, and you can par ticpate in it by donating your time and money. If you love football it's just logical to want to be around it.

And not to mention in the towns like that everyone played football , and as a former player in football, basketball, and many other sports I defiantly relate and respect to going back  your team and helping out the new generation by supporting them and going to games.

Again some people take it to far, but that not exclusive to football.

HECK I bet half of the nations high school football teams wouldn't exist if it wasn't from adult donations and support who GO to their games and PAY for the gear. And those same people who donate most likely played football at that school and have an attachment to it.

I'm sorry, but it's a far cry from dumb.
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Post by: ATARI on March 22, 2009, 11:46:03 pm
i think the flaw in your argument is that you are ignoring the fundamental fact that football itself is dumb
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 23, 2009, 02:26:25 am
american football is one of the best sports there is BUT

all sports are kind of dumb and

high school is a pretty stupid period of life.

this is why high school football show is dumb.
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Post by: Mateui on March 23, 2009, 10:08:45 am
Does any other sport have as much DOWN TIME as football??? That's what makes it so annoying for me to watch... let alone watch a show based around it. Even football movies I find annoying. They're always the same plot too.
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Post by: headphonics on March 23, 2009, 11:29:51 am
the football games are actually by a wide margin the best part of the show.  there's no downtime and they're kind of exciting/interesting.  i don't know dick about football tho so maybe that's why
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Post by: ATARI on March 23, 2009, 02:08:46 pm
Quote from: Mateui on March 23, 2009, 10:08:45 am
Does any other sport have as much DOWN TIME as football???
golf?
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Post by: goldenratio on March 23, 2009, 03:37:22 pm
he said "sport"
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Post by: ATARI on March 23, 2009, 04:51:22 pm
right but i assumed it was a mistake because we were talking about football
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Post by: Cho on March 23, 2009, 07:33:28 pm
I imagine the worst part of Friday Night Lights is that it's about high school football and comes on Friday nights. That seems like bad business sense.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 23, 2009, 07:43:56 pm
btw: nothing makes you look more like a childish nationalist fuckwit than insisting american football is not a sport or somehow less deserving of attention.

heh you know what's a REAL game? fucking cricket and hockey.

all sports are kind of dumb and being like "there's breaks in football" is probably more of an issue for you than it is the sport itself. acting like friday night lights would be better or worse if it was about basketball or something else instead is pretty dumb.

basically there are few objective measures of sports but imho if there is one (as far as spectators go) it goes

team sports>individual sports>mechanical sports

so baseball/football/cricket/rugby imho are more fun to casually watch than tennis/track/boxing which are more fun than racecars. I base this only on the theory that the most enjoyable part of sports is watching someone achieve something with a physical grace and prowess we don't see normally and you have more of a chance to see this happen if there are more players on the field, and that nascar doesn't demonstrate as much "artistry" as the others.

and that's still a bullshit measure as I'd rather watch boxing than any of the others so basically I think you can be invested in a sport so you might be more interested but being all HEH AMERICAN FOOTBALL??? while extolling some other sport over it just shows you're being dumb.

there's no objective SPORTS QUALITY okay. if you do not like football it is probably because...you do not like football! do not look for an objective measure as to why!
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Post by: headphonics on March 24, 2009, 03:37:20 am
*is a highly educated lab assistant, is also for some reason wearing stilettos and fishnets under her labcoat*


seriously are you fuckin kidding me.  this show is so goddamn awful
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Post by: Ryan on March 24, 2009, 03:41:57 am
HIGHSCHOOL FUCKIN' FOOTBALL!

GONNA PAINT UP FOR THE BIG GAME THIS FRIDAY NIGHT

WE'RE GONNA KICK THEIR ASSES!

GOTTA GET SOME PAINT.. GONNA PAINT UP!! GONNA HAVE A TAILGATING PARTY BEFORE THE BIG GAME

this happened daily at my highschool during football season. i don't even really like watching football (more of a basketball guy) but i hate highschool football with a passion because it's.. SERIOUS FUCKING BUSINESS.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on March 28, 2009, 03:16:25 pm
show's gotten a lot better btw since ep 6 and 7 btw. whedon's writing the show now.

edit: it's still dumb, especially the drug part which is most of this ep.
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Post by: Massy2k6 on March 29, 2009, 11:59:01 am
Yeah I didnt like the drug episode.. but I am seeing some improvement.
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Post by: Ragnar on April 01, 2009, 11:41:06 pm
I actually watched the last episode because nothing else was on

it reminded me of this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3wgLvC9qIk

except in this movie they're like retarded clones of people

is that the plot of Dollhouse or not

Edit: Not exactly related but I thought some of you guys might like this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs73q2Qrs_k

although I don't like these new ones as much, it's like they took 15 minutes to think of the jokes or it's just not a WEIRD enough movie a lot of the old MST3k movies weren't just bad they had some really just plain weird parts - I think it's the jokes though like all the jokes were in some other movie
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Post by: crone_lover720 on April 02, 2009, 03:45:58 pm
what did you guys think about the Life on Mars finale? trippy huh, just like the 70s.

man there are A LOT of shows on tv
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Post by: headphonics on April 02, 2009, 03:51:23 pm
what the hell is life on mars
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 02, 2009, 04:07:16 pm
american remake probably of the british show, which is about...time travel i think. i was told to watch the brit version so i'll wait till a friend gets it on dvd or something.
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Post by: crone_lover720 on April 02, 2009, 04:12:23 pm
it was on after lost
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Like its British counterpart, Life on Mars is set in 1973, telling the story of detective Sam Tyler (played by Jason O'Mara), who believes himself to be from 35 years in the future. Fringing between multiple genres, including thriller, science fiction and police procedural, the series remains ambiguous regarding its central plot, with the character himself unsure about his situation.[1] It has garnered critical praise for its premise, acting, and depiction of the 1970s, but has suffered from a declining viewership since its premiere.[2][3] Life on Mars also stars Harvey Keitel, Jonathan Murphy, Michael Imperioli, and Gretchen Mol.
a show set to rock classics about space, what can go wrong?? it was kinda bad and contrived sometimes but usually better than lost, and it sounds better than these shows. basically I thought this was bad tv before this thread.

going by youtubes the british version looks worse
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Post by: Ragnar on April 02, 2009, 07:30:30 pm
it has to be British you need multiple sentences to explain the plot

mean that as an insult to Americans btw

I'm not even sure what I mean by that exactly but it sounds like Life on Mars was like, pitched to television people who sat down and listened to a whole summary and ideas they had for it while Dollhouse sounds like the guy could've just been "HOT AMNESIA CHICKS" and gotten 5 billion dollars to make the show

I mean it's still a lot of contrived plots that can be explained in 2 or 3 words like 'detective drama' 'sci-fi epic' 'retro shit' but at least you need several of those to adequately explain the show

my dad was watching Life on Mars for a while it had a guy who looks just like Zappa
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Post by: Shadow Kirby on April 02, 2009, 07:49:07 pm
Quote from: earl on April 02, 2009, 03:45:58 pm
what did you guys think about the Life on Mars finale? trippy huh, just like the 70s.

man there are A LOT of shows on tv

It blew my fucking mind. I never heard of the british version before watching it so I never knew what was the final twist but damn!
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Post by: Kaworu on April 02, 2009, 09:05:11 pm
Quote from: Ragnar on April 02, 2009, 07:30:30 pm
it has to be British you need multiple sentences to explain the plot

mean that as an insult to Americans btw

I'm not even sure what I mean by that exactly but it sounds like Life on Mars was like, pitched to television people who sat down and listened to a whole summary and ideas they had for it while Dollhouse sounds like the guy could've just been "HOT AMNESIA CHICKS" and gotten 5 billion dollars to make the show

I mean it's still a lot of contrived plots that can be explained in 2 or 3 words like 'detective drama' 'sci-fi epic' 'retro shit' but at least you need several of those to adequately explain the show

my dad was watching Life on Mars for a while it had a guy who looks just like Zappa
Modern day cop falls into a coma(or something) and thinks he's in the 70's.
That's a pretty effective sum-up of the brit version, I dunno about the yank remake.
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Post by: crone_lover720 on April 02, 2009, 09:06:50 pm
Quote from: Shadow Kirby on April 02, 2009, 07:49:07 pm
It blew my fucking mind. I never heard of the british version before watching it so I never knew what was the final twist but damn!
wow really? I will say that the ending made the rest of the series better, because there moments where you're like ugh thats stupid but at the end it makes sense and shit like ROBOT BUGS is alright.

that's sorta what it is kaworu. did you see the end of the brit version? maybe they're different
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 02, 2009, 09:54:50 pm
http://www.avclub.com/articles/life-is-a-rock,26085/ av club really hated it. I've never seen a show get this low of a rating on the site.
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Post by: crone_lover720 on April 02, 2009, 10:25:16 pm
lol I didn't hear them say major tom that's lmao. it is actually pretty clear that an ending of this nature is what they intended, but maybe they didn't get to do what they wanted with it or someone shitted all over it. I don't hate the concept of it tho, I think it was really the only way they could go once they spit robot bugs and all that shit at us.

edit, browsing through the site I found out that they gave last night's Lost a B right after I read the final line of the review, "We survived the Kate episode! What rewards await us?" whats with that. So I guess a D to them is more like effin awful instead of just below average. lost was boring as usual too so idk how they work these strange letters.
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Post by: Ragnar on April 02, 2009, 10:38:06 pm
Quote from: The Octave Doctor on April 02, 2009, 09:05:11 pm
Modern day cop falls into a coma(or something) and thinks he's in the 70's.
That's a pretty effective sum-up of the brit version, I dunno about the yank remake.

see that's at least like 5 words

yeah and the ending was pretty much the only way they could explain it other than drugged out of his mind because it's the 70's

it was cute though just not shocking plot twist to me
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Post by: Shadow Kirby on April 03, 2009, 12:47:58 am
Quote from: earl on April 02, 2009, 10:25:16 pm
edit, browsing through the site I found out that they gave last night's Lost a B right after I read the final line of the review, "We survived the Kate episode! What rewards await us?" whats with that. So I guess a D to them is more like effin awful instead of just below average. lost was boring as usual too so idk how they work these strange letters.

Kate's episodes are pretty boring but next week is a Ben episode and those are always great.
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Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on April 03, 2009, 06:31:43 am
Quote from: headphonics on March 24, 2009, 03:37:20 am
*is a highly educated lab assistant, is also for some reason wearing stilettos and fishnets under her labcoat*


seriously are you fuckin kidding me.  this show is so goddamn awful

the worst was during the drug episode where she was wearing the miniskirt which repeatedly showed her butt a lot.
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Post by: ATARI on April 03, 2009, 05:56:05 pm
topher, so hot in his undies
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Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on April 04, 2009, 01:58:47 am
sometimes i feel embarassed that my girlfriend really likes this guy but then i realize i'm the kind of gnarly dude who gets excited over medieval II mods featuring orcs.
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Post by: dom on April 04, 2009, 06:32:06 pm
the british version of life on mars is actually a pretty awesome show and well worth watching but its not surprise that the american version falls short
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Post by: ATARI on April 04, 2009, 06:44:32 pm
its to be expected of america
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Post by: Verne on April 04, 2009, 08:23:17 pm
Hey guys let's talk about Dollhouse! Anyone watched it? Last episode was pretty good up until the end, they basically just went back to square one and slapped the viewers in the face. "Ha! Want some story? Well you aint getting any, lets get back to weekly assignments which have nothing to do with anything."
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Post by: big ass skelly on April 04, 2009, 08:27:07 pm
I watched it and it was terrible

PS I didn't watch it.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 04, 2009, 08:38:35 pm
i actually thought it was a better ep. part of this is because there were actual character interactions going on. not much happened in the main plot, but i'm a little surprised you expected anything other than a monster of the week show for a bit. regardless we learn a bit of important character stuff. the doc actually cares about her work. topher had a decent scene where he's scared (and is he just a nerd or is he just as insecure????). boyd expresses some weird backhanded pride in echo for escaping. these were nice looks into character seeing as how the show is based in having no characters which i think is a good tradeoff to have for no plot movement whatsoever.

there is one interesting point i read somewhere that the show suffers because there is no "cast" per se. sort of like my previous complaint but the thing is, buffy etc strength was you had the buffy crew (i think they are called SCOOBIES gross) and here you do not have that. so it was nice to have a few characters show up since who knows when or if the dolls will ever have a long term character.

also this is really mean and weird but something about Mellie or whatever strikes me as really really dumpy. and i am not one of those guys, i dont like how the others look much (sierra in particular is skinny as fuk) but i kind of dont want to see Mellie's cleavage. aaaa put ya fruits away...
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Post by: jamie on April 04, 2009, 09:50:10 pm
Yeah it was more interesting i thought the reveal at the end was well done.

However, we got a another female prostitute in this one, this time french, and the most we've had of a gigolo was victor in this episode picking out some leather chaps from his clothes rack and HILARIOUSLY throwing them away in shame. I think that makes it every single episode that we've had echo running around in an indefensibly skimpy costume inappropriate for her assignment with rarely a bare attempt at an excuse made, every single episode we've had one of the female 'dolls' playing a prostitute for some weird asshole, and the extent of male doll sexual engagements extends to a bad double take you could argue as homophobic and not seem that ridiculous, I think.

I don't think confronting your serial rapist by basically saying "you're mean!" and then having to run away because he's powerful and he always wins is any kind of closure for a rape victim either and it would annoy me if the show even allowed room for that kind of interpretation, but it basically just said "yip she's all closed up now. she's fixed!!!" and that's the end of the story this week. I'm sure there'll be more of this Sierra rape stuff, though, and who knows it might even be handled better in episodes but I doubt it.

I mean this isn't even a TERRIBLE idea for a show, but it's been executed about as poorly as it could be in every way.

First of all, don't call it Dollhouse - how about The Factory? With a few tweaks to the premise this could be a good name. So, don't make the focus of the show a bunch of mindless drones who occasionally get engaged in these ridiculous weekly cliche plots which can't claim an ounce of believable credibility, even when you accept the sci-fi angle. The show can still be about a factory of blank slates who get imprinted with various personalities and jobs, but let's not make them day long engagements - these people get sent out to the world with a host of conditioned responses, personality traits, and skills. They're everywhere, and they are what keeps the elite in power. That's why they exist. Then, let's say a couple of people from the factories become self-aware and realise that they have been acting out programming their entire adult lives and then the show becomes a politcal one about a little band of freedom fighters fighting the terror of the status quo and society's apparent indifference to it. That's a show I'd watch, that'd be a show with half a brain.

This show wasn't made with a brain in mind though, this show was made in the interest of Joss Whedon's sweaty balls and the only thing that annoys me about the inevitable network kicking of those balls back where they belong is that it won't be for the right reasons.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 04, 2009, 11:22:25 pm
i'm not trying to make fun of you but if i seriously try to even begin to apply a feminist perspective to everything in dollhouse my head fucking explodes.
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Post by: jamie on April 05, 2009, 12:11:04 am
Okay, I mean whatever but Joss Whedon has this ridiculously undeserved reputation as being a feminist writer and I just find it very - I dunno - either funny or appalling that this is what he has come up with next. It's an easy target but it deserves it so why not.
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Post by: Xeno|Soft on April 07, 2009, 02:39:06 am
I think you are looking for things that are not...there?   Because half the things you said you can find in any other show. Girls in skimpy outfits that arn't really practical for their mission!? Oh my?! sounds like all female attire.... in every movie.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 07, 2009, 02:40:23 am
none of those shows have a supposedly pro-female writer.
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Post by: crone_lover720 on April 07, 2009, 03:42:16 am
figures xeno wouldn't get it, his avatar's a corset.
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Post by: Warped655 on April 10, 2009, 05:16:17 am
whoa, yeah I pretty much hated the first 4 episodes... but it definitely got interesting down the road... I just finished the current episode ("Needs").

The ending of the current episode "cleans up" the story for Joss to continue it in a better way, honestly, this is the start of the show, episodes 1-4 were almost all filler. 5-8 were kind of a preview into the true story.

I honestly can't wait for more.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 10, 2009, 03:52:02 pm
no one's quite clear whats going on with the show btw. apparently fox cut the order for the last episode but didnt blah blah heres what i read.

http://www.avclub.com/articles/fox-to-end-dollhouses-first-season-one-episode-sho,26433/

edit: lmao http://starbucks.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/48/48a10b1126a07aae062b738a9dbb1f7a25ba9268.jpg
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Post by: big ass skelly on April 10, 2009, 08:52:50 pm
I can't see like 50% of shit you link peogotto. It's all sa or hulu or permission denied or embedding disabled, I think you do it on purpose
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Post by: dom on April 10, 2009, 09:07:30 pm
Quote from: Mark on April 10, 2009, 08:52:50 pm
I can't see like 50% of shit you link peogotto. It's all sa or hulu or permission denied or embedding disabled, I think you do it on purpose
copy/paste waffleimages links, they deny non-SA referrers.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 10, 2009, 09:16:31 pm
yeah i'm way too lazy to do it otherwise for images like that. just copy paste!
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Post by: jamie on April 10, 2009, 10:56:34 pm
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http://starbucks.mirror.waffleimages.com/files/48/48a10b1126a07aae062b738a9dbb1f7a25ba9268.jpg

fuck off


also, just click the link then highlight the address bar and hit return and it'll come on. refresh doesn't work, but it's pretty easy.

i've got a joke relevant to this situation::

A: who's got big ears?
J: Dumbos!!!!!
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Post by: Mateui on April 11, 2009, 02:11:20 am
Great episode tonight! So much stuff happened in one hour that advanced the plot.


*waits for someone to point out the Dominatrix angle as further female exploitation*
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 11, 2009, 02:16:53 am
i already did!
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Post by: pburn on April 11, 2009, 05:32:01 pm
I actually liked that.

Like Mateui said, the plot did advance, it was noticeably less cheesy than the other episodes, and actually had shit going on.
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Post by: Rowain on April 12, 2009, 12:49:12 am
welp i guess I'll download this new ep.....
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 12, 2009, 03:55:56 am
isnt there some ip stuff canadians can use to access hulu? seriously dollhouse isn't worth downloading.

this ep was once again okay etc still not worth watching as a show regularly! i kind of dont care about the mysteries behind the show yet BUT i have heard the last ep is set in a terminator future for some reason which is too hilarious not to follow through.

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In case some of you missed yesterday’s Dollhouse-related Twitstorm, here’s the story in brief: FOX has opted not to show the 13th and final episode of the season, which for now will not be available until the DVD hit stores after Comic-Con in late July. A few things to keep in mind: (1) The 12th episode, “Omega,” reportedly wraps up the season in the manner expected of a conventional finale. The 13th, “Epitaph One,” is apparently something conceptually different, and not as devoted to meat-and-potatoes storytelling. I don’t know if that eases the pain or not, but I’m guessing if we weren’t aware of the 13th episode, we wouldn’t necessarily feel anything was missing. (2) However you want to interpret FOX’s decision not to air the episode, this doesn’t mean the show has been cancelled. Read more about that at Dollverse. (And don’t be shy about letting FOX know you want the show back.) (3) For more detailed information about the contractual zaniness that led to 14 episodes being produced and 12 aired, you can get the full scoop from just about every respectable TV critic in the land. Take your pick.
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Post by: Bandito on April 12, 2009, 02:52:58 pm
Fwahahahaha Fox is such a troll.
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Post by: Shadow Kirby on April 12, 2009, 04:19:23 pm
Wow, Fox really likes Whedon.......
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Post by: Bandito on April 12, 2009, 04:31:40 pm
Who's Weadon?
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 12, 2009, 04:39:21 pm
honestly you have to feel bad for him. like blah blah his other shows etc but man they really just strung him around. like some of our complaints, he had to TAKE BACK. you know how all the dolls are attractive as fuck and all sexy etc? apparently the original plan was to definitely have just every shape and size doll as this would make, you know, sense. like one of the main characters was "tango" a 40 year old woman. but fox killed it.

i dont care much for whedon or his fans but dude really doesn't get a break.
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Post by: Bandito on April 13, 2009, 01:32:08 am
Actually the only that gave his some kind of break was WB with Angel and Buffy or at least more of a break than Fox did (Firefly).
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Post by: headphonics on April 13, 2009, 03:06:56 am
i think they told them angel was ending with like 5 episodes to go in the season.  thats not much of a break!
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 13, 2009, 03:31:23 am
also buffy like moved networks or got canceled two seasons before the end didnt it?
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Post by: jamie on April 13, 2009, 11:34:50 am
Angel got told it was cancelled with 11 episodes to go I think. It was right after the episode called 'You're welcome'. It was still pretty crud cos Joss made all the huge changes to the show to revitalize it at the networks request and had assumed he would get one more season after 5 which is why the ending was rushed and forced, and why there were alot of other changes like Illyria that were meant to play out more in season 6. I just watched an episode of Angel season 5 the other day though - it wasn't good. It was cool when I was a kid.

Buffy yeah it got cancelled and then picked up by UPN but Buffy really deserved to be cancelled by season 5 and it only went from intermittently annoying and cheesy to consistently awful after that.

Firely just got messed around, and it was actually a pretty good show which would have probably gotten better with time to develop arcs and stuff. The humour in that show was actually funny and the characters were better cos the Joss stereotypes were applied in more interesting ways

Dollhouse is getting messed around a little, but not as bad as Firefly. I'm pretty sure it got changed time slots and was aired out of order. I've never understood why networks do that other than gross negligence and stupidity. 
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Post by: Bandito on April 13, 2009, 08:11:54 pm
Quote from: headphonics on April 13, 2009, 03:06:56 am
i think they told them angel was ending with like 5 episodes to go in the season.  thats not much of a break!
But it lasted for 5 seasons as compared to Firefly...
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Post by: ATARI on April 13, 2009, 11:00:26 pm
Quote from: jamie on April 13, 2009, 11:34:50 am
Angel got told it was cancelled with 11 episodes to go I think. It was right after the episode called 'You're welcome'. It was still pretty crud cos Joss made all the huge changes to the show to revitalize it at the networks request and had assumed he would get one more season after 5 which is why the ending was rushed and forced, and why there were alot of other changes like Illyria that were meant to play out more in season 6. I just watched an episode of Angel season 5 the other day though - it wasn't good. It was cool when I was a kid.

Buffy yeah it got cancelled and then picked up by UPN but Buffy really deserved to be cancelled by season 5 and it only went from intermittently annoying and cheesy to consistently awful after that.

Firely just got messed around, and it was actually a pretty good show which would have probably gotten better with time to develop arcs and stuff. The humour in that show was actually funny and the characters were better cos the Joss stereotypes were applied in more interesting ways

Dollhouse is getting messed around a little, but not as bad as Firefly. I'm pretty sure it got changed time slots and was aired out of order. I've never understood why networks do that other than gross negligence and stupidity. 

Yeah, for firefly, the order of airing the episodes was completely messed up, most notably was that the last episode that they aired was the pilot episode if I recall correctly.  I don't understand how television stations can think this is a good idea.  Its one thing to tweak the show so that I panders to their perceived audience and whatever, but to completely mess up with the order and timing of a show just tells me that they really didn't give a shit about the integrity of the show at all.   Joss has really had bad luck with television series, but mostly with FOX, which is why I really don't understand why he let them do dollhouse.
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Post by: jamie on April 13, 2009, 11:19:46 pm
it's either do it there or do it nowhere, i guess.
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Post by: Mateui on April 14, 2009, 03:41:05 am
The reason why he's at Fox again is because Eliza had a signed deal with them to produce a show, and she contacted Joss to create Dollhouse with her. At least that's what I've heard!
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Post by: Rowain on April 14, 2009, 10:56:53 am
I've never seen Firefly. I kind of want to, I love scifi TV, but I don't want to LIKE it or get into it because there's only 13 episodes or whatever. I did see and enjoy Serenity, I have to admit I kind of like Nathan Fillion, he's a natural at the goofy likeable hero character. He'd make a great Nathan Drake if they ever do an Uncharted movie!!!

this post wasn't about Dollhouse.
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Post by: Massy2k6 on April 14, 2009, 01:43:47 pm
Quote from: Rowain on April 14, 2009, 10:56:53 am
I've never seen Firefly. I kind of want to, I love scifi TV, but I don't want to LIKE it or get into it because there's only 13 episodes or whatever. I did see and enjoy Serenity, I have to admit I kind of like Nathan Fillion, he's a natural at the goofy likeable hero character. He'd make a great Nathan Drake if they ever do an Uncharted movie!!!

this post wasn't about Dollhouse.

If you ever do decide to watch Firefly, make sure to watch it in the correct order and not the order it was aired...
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Post by: ATARI on April 14, 2009, 08:42:07 pm
no thats what made it better
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Post by: jjesper82 on April 19, 2009, 02:57:35 pm
Ok... let me say this in defense of Buffy and Angel.  I didn't get a chance to watch them until about 2 years ago.  After watching season 1 of Buffy, I bought all of its season's plus all of Angel.  I really thought the writing and story were pretty good.  They had a lot of plot twists (ex.  Tara in season 6) and I found it very entertaining.  Firefly was canceled right after it was getting good.  And Dollhouse... well I believe it's going to get the same treatment.

As far as his shows being "good", well that's really a matter of opinion.  To me, it's easy to pick something apart after you've seen all of it (as I do constantly), but for me... the first time watching them... I had a blast.  And will continue to watch them! 8)

Jeremy
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on May 02, 2009, 03:37:34 pm
haha welp the show is probably dead but looks like whedon is just gonna rush tot he end. i heard rumors like i said that the ending is set in the FUTURE for some reason but yeah last ep actually went somewhere so once again it's a pity how badly fox screwed up what could have been an okay show.

its definitely his worst though and if you think otherwise yikes. like ignore the stupidity of almost everything in the show. the fight sequence was actually boring! the guy who did BUFFY made a boring as fuck fightsequence who knew but no it really was kind of stupid. or how ballard just WALKS in really. I know "whoops there was more to that than met the eye" but come on TOPHER is the only one who catches him and he's there for like hours. whedon is kind of a bad writer sometimes and it shows. like this is still a Pretty Bad Show (but not just a Bad Show or a Terrible Show, these are real ranks look them up...) so I'm not gonna mourn its death, but no one really expects season 2.
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on May 02, 2009, 03:43:02 pm
OH HOLY SHIT I'M SO FUCKING STUPID

AAAAA GODDAMMIT

okay spoiler if you didn't figure it out:

god i feel dumb for not catching that.

for everything this kind of clever though you can't ignore that joss whedon shoved in the heaviest possible and dumbest metaphor about briar rose that no one can care about for the first half of this ep and it sucked.
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Post by: Verne on May 02, 2009, 04:43:10 pm
if the previous episodes were even closely as good as the newest the series would propably have gotten a lot more views and a guaranteed second season. Too much useless shit at the start screwed up the series.
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Post by: Ryan on May 02, 2009, 07:03:15 pm
briar rose was the name of my guinea pig
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Post by: Mateui on May 02, 2009, 11:16:40 pm
Regarding Steel's spoiler comments:
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Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on May 03, 2009, 12:25:57 am
I bet they will answer it actually, probably in the last few eps though. like the whole THERE IS A VASE thing will happen unexpectedly. it's really cool that he threw that in there because like one goon noticed it and they were all like OH FUCK and now I guess its a big spoiler but still neat.

also as further evidence

god I am shaking my head though in disbelief, that kind of stupid tv trick is the kind of thing I pride myself on catching and being like hell yes you're smart and I missed it entirely.
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Post by: jamie on May 09, 2009, 06:53:24 pm
"I don't believe in slavery! Especially now that we've got a black president!"


Bye bye to the Dollhouse!
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Post by: ATARI on May 09, 2009, 07:14:45 pm
one of the many fore-head slappin' hiarlious wheddon wise-cracks!
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Post by: Mateui on May 09, 2009, 08:51:24 pm
Well, I really enjoyed this "finale" and Dollhouse as a whole. Yes, there were some weak episodes early on but once the story got rolling I was all in for the ride. I want to see this show go on and explore further questions about self and morality, but I'm going to assume that it's over just so that I don't get my hopes up and then have them dashed.
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Post by: Shadow Kirby on May 10, 2009, 05:20:42 am
Too bad. I liked Alpha as a villain. 48 personalities and a face cutting killer as a background.
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Post by: Warped655 on May 10, 2009, 09:35:30 pm
Damn it. This show better get a second season at least to bring it all to a conclusion. or... maybe a movie like Firefly got... Just something to end it right.
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Post by: ATARI on May 10, 2009, 11:32:57 pm
yeah the conclusion to the series was really weak but i still kind of have some unreasonable hope for it and I do kind of hope it gets a second season anyway, because the last few aside from the 12th episode were pretty decent overall in my opinion and i'd really like to see this show actually get a grip and take off
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Post by: Massy2k6 on May 12, 2009, 09:19:08 am
I very much doubt there will be a second season, seemed like the first one struggled just to get 12 episodes.
I didn’t think the final episode was too bad, there was allot to wrap up and I think Joss Whedon tried to conclude as much as he could within 42mins.
I liked the fact the doctor was a doll but I kind of ruined that for myself when I accidentally read Artis Leon Ivey Jr spoiler, silly me... I didn’t like the fact that the FBI agent decided to join them in the end, it seemed out of place considering he tried so hard throughout the show to stop them and from what I could tell despised them greatly.
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Post by: Mateui on May 14, 2009, 03:21:53 am
I think that Ballard working with the Dollhouse makes sense actually. I don't think that he's done a complete 180 on his thoughts. Rather, he sees this as an opportunity to work closely with his enemy and to gather more info. All this time he's been wanting to save Caroline. Saving Mellie instead fulfilled that for him, but I think he's still truly vested in looking over Echo. He can do that now that he's in with the Dollhouse. His position is much like Boyd's earlier in the season - he too questioned the ethical implications of what they were doing, but eventually came to see the good/nobility in their actions, however few. He's still in a grey zone, and I think that's where Ballard will be heading in Season 2 if it gets renewed.

Some news about that actually:
Quote from:  From The Hollywood Reporter
Sources say Dollhouse fans shouldn't lose hope; that despite the show's recent ratings, the show is still alive. Whedon pitched the network on his vision for season two late last week. Discussions have commenced between Fox and the studio about how to make the show work financially.
Hopefully we'll know one way or another soon.

EDIT: I hereby make my 12,000th post on Dollhouse.  :thumbsupbuddy:
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Post by: big ass skelly on May 14, 2009, 09:02:02 am
Grats on your 12k mateui :)
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Post by: Mateui on May 16, 2009, 02:26:00 am
The 12k must have done the trick because word on the street (ok, online) is that Dollhouse has been renewed for a second season!  :woop:
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Post by: ATARI on May 16, 2009, 03:15:09 am
way to jump the gun mateui.  There is still no official confirmation (unless you can find me one, because I couldn't).   All the reports that I've read about this say that FOX is saying that they're willing to keep dollhouse assuming some major budget cuts.   there is nothing, I repeat, nothing about it being officially confirmed about being back in the next season of television yet (and probably won't until monday)
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Post by: jamie on May 16, 2009, 03:24:59 am
You are fucking kidding!
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Post by: jamie on May 16, 2009, 03:33:21 am
Seriously get to fuck I am so surprised.
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Post by: jamie on May 16, 2009, 03:46:09 am
fucking

why am i even getting slightly worked up

fuck this
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Post by: Verne on May 16, 2009, 03:47:49 am
wow i cant believe they renewed it
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Post by: Ryan on May 16, 2009, 03:51:34 am
isn't this show absolutely terrible? i don't think i've ever enjoyed a single joss whedon television show. the only good thing he ever did was write toy story imo

i mean really? buffy the vampire slayer was like B-GRADE TELEVISION shit. shit you find on at 3:00pm on weekdays. firefly was apparently absolute garbage, as is angel.

*casts unbelievably attractive woman in lead role, is feminist writer*

why are you guys excited!!!
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Post by: headphonics on May 16, 2009, 03:59:00 am
what would even give you the idea that firefly is "apparently absolute garbage"?  i dont even like it but its like UNIVERSALLY LOVED idk how you could come to this conclusion outside of watching it yourself.  its not terrible but im sick of whedon's aesthetic.  you're overrating how bad they are tho because despite the b movie settings the writing/interaction is significantly better than 90% of all other television.  it is too predictable/samey for me but youre completely wrong if you think his shows are in the same league as HERCULES and shit

but yeah this show is dumb.  idk why this topic is still active.  it's the most insultingly superficial one yet
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Post by: headphonics on May 16, 2009, 03:59:11 am
toy story lol
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Post by: Verne on May 16, 2009, 03:59:24 am
The start was totally crap but it got pretty good at the end.
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Post by: Ryan on May 16, 2009, 04:02:37 am
Quote from: headphonics on May 16, 2009, 03:59:11 am
toy story lol

toy story rules and i was thinking of watching firefly but everyone told me it was REALLY BAD. like they said it was almost laughably bad.
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Post by: Ryan on May 16, 2009, 04:02:51 am
i was under the impression it was almost universally dismissed as being bad!
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Post by: headphonics on May 16, 2009, 04:04:43 am
who's everyone man.  firefly is ridiculously popular.  when was the last time a canceled show had a fanbase rabid enough to get an entire movie sequel just by RAVING ABOUT THE SHOW?  its like an immense cult hit.  i think people think it's whedon's magnum opus or some shit
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Post by: Yeaster on May 16, 2009, 10:18:09 pm
How many episodes for season 2 have Fox ordered? Does anyone know?


Anyway, I really hope they change the time slot. I have no idea what possessed Fox to put this on a Friday night, but if it's switched to Mon-Thurs, I'll probably catch this.
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Post by: ATARI on May 16, 2009, 11:06:39 pm
Quote from: Yeaster on May 16, 2009, 10:18:09 pm
How many episodes for season 2 have Fox ordered? Does anyone know?


Anyway, I really hope they change the time slot. I have no idea what possessed Fox to put this on a Friday night, but if it's switched to Mon-Thurs, I'll probably catch this.
13 episodes and its coming back in the fall apparently
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Post by: Warped655 on May 17, 2009, 08:11:10 am
Quote from: Yeaster on May 16, 2009, 10:18:09 pm
How many episodes for season 2 have Fox ordered? Does anyone know?


Anyway, I really hope they change the time slot. I have no idea what possessed Fox to put this on a Friday night, but if it's switched to Mon-Thurs, I'll probably catch this.
Time slot is the same.

Just watch it on Hulu.
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Post by: esiann on May 17, 2009, 02:38:05 pm
it's the perfect time slot for their core audience

what time is it on anyway
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Post by: Mateui on July 22, 2009, 04:31:06 am
Epitaph One is now available for download on torrent sites (the unaired 13th episode). I watched and it was sweet!! One of the best episodes of the season, if not THE best.
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Post by: Massy2k6 on July 22, 2009, 05:55:37 am
Quote from: Mateui on July 22, 2009, 04:31:06 am
Epitaph One is now available for download on torrent sites (the unaired 13th episode). I watched and it was sweet!! One of the best episodes of the season, if not THE best.

Awesome thanks..
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Post by: ATARI on July 22, 2009, 05:29:12 pm
i watched it a few days ago it was pretty good for the purposes of Felicia Day being in it, but it terms of an actual episode it was entertaining but like the question I have is why?  Like they aren't going to continue the series from this plot point and a post-apocolyptic dollhouse setting actually seems more interesting than the original setting, so not continuning from this point is kind of a bummer to me
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Post by: Massy2k6 on July 23, 2009, 02:57:15 pm
Quote from: captain chekhov on July 22, 2009, 05:29:12 pm
i watched it a few days ago it was pretty good for the purposes of Felicia Day being in it, but it terms of an actual episode it was entertaining but like the question I have is why?  Like they aren't going to continue the series from this plot point and a post-apocolyptic dollhouse setting actually seems more interesting than the original setting, so not continuning from this point is kind of a bummer to me

Yeah I prefered the setting we see in this new released episode, it was great and I would have loved for the show to have gone in this direction. I could just imagine all the great things they could have done with it... Dollhouse meets Fallout 3, just awesome.
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Post by: Mateui on October 02, 2009, 02:00:06 am
Ok well Dollhouse is now back in swing for its second season and we had the premiere last week. The episode wasn't too amazing, but Dr. Saunders/Whiskey stole the show for me in her scenes. I hope she's not gone for good. It seems to me that the overall plotline will be that politician dude exposing the Dollhouse.. hopefully things will take a more twisty route than when Paul Ballard tried to do this. I want more media exposure and for things to happen quickly. I think Joss knows that he's skating on thin ice here so he'll try to keep things going fast. (No more monster of the week episodes please!)

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Post by: ATARI on October 02, 2009, 03:20:41 am
pretty sure this weeks episode is a monster of the week episode
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Post by: Massy2k6 on October 02, 2009, 03:15:06 pm
Honestly, after watching that 13th episode from last season this new season just doesnt interest me all that much but the first season did start of slow so we might just have to wait a few episodes before this one picks up.
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Post by: Madolah on October 02, 2009, 04:56:55 pm
Fuck this show. This show is the one and only reason why Joss Wedden has not made Dr.Horrible 2.
He was quoted himself saying he'd rather put most his time into this show then to re-write his draft ideas for Dr.Horrible 2.
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Post by: ATARI on October 02, 2009, 05:19:40 pm
joss wheddon should scrap dollhouse and then remake the series based on the universe that was created in epitaph one
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Post by: Mateui on October 02, 2009, 07:44:02 pm
Quote from: captain chekhov on October 02, 2009, 05:19:40 pm
joss wheddon should scrap dollhouse and then remake the series based on the universe that was created in epitaph one
Yeah, that would be awesome. He doesn't even need to scrap it. Really, all he has to do is advance the plot quickly and then jump ahead a few years and explore that scenario while slowly uncovering the past that brought the apocalypse about.
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Post by: Massy2k6 on October 02, 2009, 08:08:14 pm
Quote from: captain chekhov on October 02, 2009, 05:19:40 pm
joss wheddon should scrap dollhouse and then remake the series based on the universe that was created in epitaph one

Agreed, that was the 13th episode I mentioned or maybe it was the original pilot err what ever.
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Post by: ATARI on October 03, 2009, 01:27:42 am
Quote from: Mateui on October 02, 2009, 07:44:02 pm
Yeah, that would be awesome. He doesn't even need to scrap it. Really, all he has to do is advance the plot quickly and then jump ahead a few years and explore that scenario while slowly uncovering the past that brought the apocalypse about.
no fuck this all just skip ahead to felicia day

Quote
Agreed, that was the 13th episode I mentioned or maybe it was the original pilot err what ever.
no epitaph one is the one that is set in the future with the the post-apocolyptic setting and doesn't suck.   Like i've just been trying to like this series so much but it really has clicked and after seeing epitaph one, I realize that it just could be so much better than it is now, but we're just stuck in this dumb kind of monster of the week mediocre universe that is frankly not the most interesting thing in the world at all.
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Post by: MuNkY on October 03, 2009, 01:48:49 am
I firmly believe that Dollhouse should be kept on the air. It is a witty and entertaining rump.
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Post by: ATARI on October 03, 2009, 06:30:47 pm
i'm not sure if i am.  I mean I am okay with it still being on but based on the quality of the show compared to the normal standards of television, I'm pretty sure it really didn't deserve to stay on, (not in terms of amount of people watching it, but based on the merit of the actual quality of the show itself).  I'm just really hoping that this season redeems itself because it just seems like this show is only being watched by people because of Weddon, and like if there wasn't Weddon attached to it, I know at least that I wouldn't be watching it anymore. 
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Post by: pburn on October 04, 2009, 02:58:18 am
That last episode was dumb. It was a dumb set up we saw a couple of times before, some horrible writing, especially on the part of that girl who can't act talking to the agent.. and pretty much I don't think anyone could really give a fuck what was going on with the characters at all. All that sob shit, trying to make the audience question the nature of the whole dollhouse business in the dumbest way possible.
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Post by: Mateui on October 04, 2009, 04:17:21 pm
Yeah, I agree that that episode wasn't very strong, but on the up side we did finally find out what happens to an active once their contract is up - a life of luxury and for November, the lack of sadness about the loss of her child. Very chilling. We also finally know what Paul's intentions are, as well as Echo's. Also, I think that this episode was Eliza's best portrayal of a character. She really stepped it up I felt.
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Post by: Warped655 on October 11, 2009, 06:33:25 am
Wow the third Episode is a lot better then the first 2. This show is showing an unhealthy (especially ratings wise) habit of having poor episodes in the beginning of seasons.
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Post by: Warped655 on October 24, 2009, 11:31:51 pm
OK. Seriously, is no one else watching this? The latest episode was fucking awesome.
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Post by: ATARI on October 25, 2009, 01:11:11 am
stopped caring
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Post by: Shadow Kirby on October 25, 2009, 04:08:55 am
Quote from: warpped655 on October 24, 2009, 11:31:51 pm
OK. Seriously, is no one else watching this? The latest episode was fucking awesome.

Is it me or the less Echo is involved the better the story is.
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Post by: ATARI on October 25, 2009, 04:33:58 am
no i'm pretty sure you are right  which is pretty much why epitaph one was such a great episode (or at least one of the reasons)

seriously, I don't care if this is regarded and cult television, or whatever the hell joss wheddon shows are classified as these days, but in terms of quality, this show should have been canned before the first season even ended.  unless there is like something major happening in the near future i don't see this show getting a second season, and I really hope it doesn't if it is just going to be more of the same like this, because it really has done nothing to deserve it, other than having been created by Joss
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Post by: Warped655 on October 25, 2009, 08:12:55 am
I don't necessarily disagree, as the quality of the show is sort of on a roller coaster. but at the moment (at least IMO) its currently on a peak. The first 2 eps of this season were 'meh' 3 was decent. and this one to me was great. as it does seem to be hinting that the big apocalypse thing is going to happen before the end of this season. or maybe I'm just being to optimistic.
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Post by: Shinan on October 25, 2009, 03:22:22 pm
Quote from: Shadow Kirby on October 25, 2009, 04:08:55 am
Is it me or the less Echo is involved the better the story is.
This is very true. There's just something inherently unbelievable about her. I guess the fact is that she's a horrible actress. Nearly all others in the show are pretty damn good though. So it sort of sucks that the worst one has to be the main character.
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Post by: Mateui on October 25, 2009, 11:09:12 pm
Unfortunately I have to agree. As much as I like Eliza she's just not a great actress. Sierra and Victor on the other hand are amazing. This last episode that had zero Ballard and minimal Echo was amazing as it let the rest of the cast shine and it got the ball further rolling towards Epitaph One. A storm is coming, Topher's morality was compromised, and Sierra and Victor's relationship was solidified. I wonder what causes them to fall away from each other in the upcoming future?
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Post by: jamie on October 25, 2009, 11:39:54 pm
the cast this dunghouse has been getting is nuts. ray wise next!
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Post by: jamie on October 26, 2009, 12:25:06 am
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A fine man. A reputable man!
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Post by: jamie on October 26, 2009, 12:26:06 am
A man in his prime.
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Post by: jamie on October 26, 2009, 12:28:36 am
It's Raymond Wise.

I just really like the cut of his jib.
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Post by: ATARI on October 26, 2009, 01:50:01 pm
hey this episode was pretty good what was up wit that huh?
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Post by: big ass skelly on October 26, 2009, 05:42:15 pm
Should I watch this show
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Post by: jamie on October 26, 2009, 05:47:10 pm
No, Mark. It is never good and is dumb as hell.
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Post by: big ass skelly on October 26, 2009, 08:05:41 pm
ok then
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Post by: Massy2k6 on October 28, 2009, 03:21:05 pm
Latest episode was one of my favourites, I never noticed before but without Eliza this show is a lot better.
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Post by: big ass skelly on October 28, 2009, 03:54:43 pm
Jamie said it's never good. Are you callin him a liar massy2k6?
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Post by: Massy2k6 on October 28, 2009, 04:33:03 pm
On occasion it has the ability to surprise you with a good episode so yeah Jamie lies.
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Post by: jamie on October 28, 2009, 06:16:50 pm
Some episodes are put together more competently than others but we are talking within the range of 'wow that was an awful indie montage' to 'why did they ruin a decent scene with an indie rock montage?'. the only thing this show ever has going for it occasionally is a bit of momentum but honestly that was a terrible story because being feminist and maintaining this show's exploitative attitude to it's premise is impossible plus YOU RAPING MAN....this man done a rape - heh how does it feel to be out of control Mr. Rape? in every other episode so far we have been complicit in the exploitation of women but in this one we're it's GIRL POWER guys we're gonna cut a caricature's balls off. edgy...is it right to chop up a man who's only personality trait is serial rape? 'Grey area, much?' - Joss Whedon

that isn't mentioning all the day to day stupidity of this show. the constant contradictory cut aways (which were in this episode, too) - you know 'i will never love you!!!!' *2 years later* 'whoops im head over heels!'. also the show loves to spend about 50% of episode spelling everything out for you or reminding you of events in previous episodes in a very television stilted way. and remember that classic racism is over barack obama social commentary last season? what a zinger. the acting is also terrible and this whole show was concieved as an eliza dushku showcase upwards so it will always be about dressing her up.
 
......fresh.....dark.....innovative.....joss whedon's about to make you his b*tch
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Post by: Mateui on November 15, 2009, 12:31:05 am
Well, Fox has announced that they've cancelled Dollhouse for good. The good news is that they'll still let the rest of this season play out till the end, which gives Joss an opportunity to change the final 2 episodes which haven't been filmed yet to give a proper conclusion. I'm going to miss this show.
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Post by: jamie on November 15, 2009, 12:46:14 am
sayonara joss
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Post by: ATARI on November 16, 2009, 02:31:07 pm
about time
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Post by: Dulcinea on November 16, 2009, 03:58:28 pm
Don't know if this was mentioned before, but since you guys were talking about Firefly, for a couple of more days, the complete series will be on sale at Best Buy (19.99 in canada, 12.99 in the u.s.). It's a good time to pick it up in case you wanted to before but it was too expensive.
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Post by: Mateui on December 20, 2009, 05:53:16 am
Anyone else still watching this? The show has gotten super amazing - the plot is flying at breakneck speed to get everything wrapped up, which is so refreshing compared to so many series that take things so slowly. In fact, I'd say that season 2 is quickly becoming one of the best seasons of any show ever. These last 2 episodes were truly stunning. Only 3 more to go though... :(

I'm sure the end will be satisfying.
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Post by: ATARI on December 20, 2009, 05:53:56 am
i finally got around to watching episodes 5 and 6 of this season.  they're fuckign dumb
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Post by: Mateui on December 20, 2009, 05:55:52 am
Quote from: ATARI on December 20, 2009, 05:53:56 am
i finally got around to watching episodes 5 and 6 of this season.  they're fuckign dumb
7 and onwards really pick up the pace. I think you'll enjoy them more.
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Post by: ATARI on December 20, 2009, 06:01:54 am
okay they weren't dumb but i wasn't impressed. starting 7 now.
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Post by: ATARI on December 20, 2009, 06:02:07 am
ps im hot for summer glau
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Post by: Massy2k6 on December 20, 2009, 08:34:50 am
Shes terrible in this show.

Give me back the sexy hot terminator.

Terminators rule biatch.
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Post by: ATARI on December 20, 2009, 06:58:03 pm
terminator sucks
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Post by: Shadow Kirby on December 21, 2009, 04:25:31 pm
Quote from: Mateui on December 20, 2009, 05:53:16 am
Anyone else still watching this? The show has gotten super amazing - the plot is flying at breakneck speed to get everything wrapped up, which is so refreshing compared to so many series that take things so slowly. In fact, I'd say that season 2 is quickly becoming one of the best seasons of any show ever. These last 2 episodes were truly stunning. Only 3 more to go though... :(

I'm sure the end will be satisfying.

Yeah, the last few episodes were pretty good but dammit Joss why do you make your show not suck AFTER they get cancelled.
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Post by: ATARI on December 21, 2009, 05:47:12 pm
yeah seriously .  episodes 7-10 were actually really good.  what's the point??
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Post by: Verne on December 22, 2009, 07:12:57 pm
I'll echo (lolz) that the latest episodes were super awesome and should have been like that since the beginning. It's amazing they did the same thing with season 1, somehow managed to get green light for season 2 and did the same mistake again.
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Post by: Warped655 on December 23, 2009, 08:51:41 pm
Just caught up. Shows become pretty epic. 3 more eps left if I'm not mistaken. Can't wait.

Even though Dollhouse is ending Joss could easily make a spin off based off of Dollhouse.
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Post by: Massy2k6 on December 24, 2009, 12:34:29 am
I cant help but wonder what he plans on doing next after Dollhouse and what ever it is I pray he doesnt cast Eliza Dushku in any off the lead roles.

Possibly have Summer Glau as a leading role, wouldnt have a problem seeing more of her.
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Post by: ATARI on December 24, 2009, 12:52:57 am
lets all get something straight here:

eliza is much more attractive than summer
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Post by: Warped655 on December 24, 2009, 06:47:07 am
Quote from: ATARI on December 24, 2009, 12:52:57 am
lets all get something straight here:

eliza is much more attractive than summer

I was going to disagree but then I did a quick comparison... you are right. However I still think Summer is hot.
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Post by: big ass skelly on December 24, 2009, 12:46:33 pm
"that's hot" -- Paris hilton
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Post by: Massy2k6 on December 24, 2009, 12:50:12 pm
Quote from: big ass skelly on December 24, 2009, 12:46:33 pm
"that's hot" -- Paris hilton

That phrase is trademarked, watch yourself.
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Post by: ATARI on December 24, 2009, 04:38:38 pm
Quote from: warpped655 on December 24, 2009, 06:47:07 am
I was going to disagree but then I did a quick comparison... you are right. However I still think Summer is hot.
yeah you can't really say she is not attractive but eliza is more in my humble opinion. 


yes this is what the conversation has turned to.  i hope that you're proud of yourself for this joss
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Post by: Verne on December 24, 2009, 05:05:02 pm
Eliza is over-rated, Summer is pretty but nothing too special but the best chick in Dollhouse so far has been Amy Acker (Dr. Saunders)!
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Post by: jamie on December 25, 2009, 02:14:55 am
I caught up with this show because there isn't really anything on tv worth watching at all right now.

Anyway yeah, it has been better than it was before. The plotting is stepped up and all of that so there is less of the ECHO DRESSES UP AS A FRENCH MAID AND THEN STABS A MAN WITH HER HIGH HEELS bullshit, because Echo has got stuff to do now. The show is still dumb and cheesy, but it's Joss Whedon so you aren't ever going to get away from this, but I can feel myself at least getting caught up in the sense that this is ending soon so they are just throwing all the ideas they had at the wall and using them whether they stick or not.

There was some talk on another forum about Arcane, in that last episode, being a terrible metaphor for fear. A big black guy is coming to get you from the shadows! Joss has used this kind of potentially racist imagery before on Buffy, and the fact that this guy is one of the worst for casting 7 normal ones and 1-2 'ethnic' ones at best he really doesn't have any wiggle room when people say he is a dumb douche.
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Post by: `~congresman Ron paul~~ on December 25, 2009, 02:43:18 am
hey jamie have you ever seen Dexter? i think you would like it. it starts off kind of ehh but gets really good pretty quickly
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Post by: jamie on December 25, 2009, 02:54:16 am
i've seen all of dexter. it is okay. the writing is so fucking bad. so much of the dialogue on that show is totally redundant and every plot line that doesn't involve dexter is dead fucking boring. the reason for this is that when you take away the serial killer gimmick and he couple of good actor's the show has, all you have left is the writing and it's terrible. they can't write, at all. either that or they don't think we are capable or deserving of enjoying better stories.

i haven't watched the first two seasons in a while but i heard the writing staff totally changed at the beginning of season 3 and i think i started noticing how terrible the writing was around then so maybe the problem only began there but i can't really remember.

the music is good though, i like the music a whole lot.
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Post by: big ass skelly on December 25, 2009, 12:12:09 pm
The first 2 seasons of dexter weren't written too badlyb as far as tv goes I think. Season 3 and 4 pretty awful with 4 being a lot better than 3. I think 3 is probably some of the worst television I've ever seen
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Post by: Mateui on December 26, 2009, 07:19:41 pm
Since this topic has evolved into a discussion of other tv shows, is anyone else watching Fringe? I got into it about a month ago and just finished watching all the episodes. There were a few weak episodes here and there, but I really like all the characters and the overall storyline of the Pattern and the Observers. Other than Dollhouse and the Big Bang Theory, it's the only show I watch on tv right now.
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Post by: big ass skelly on December 26, 2009, 08:10:56 pm
Fringe is so shit, someone told me to watch it on irc. I think it was a practical joke
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Post by: Verne on December 26, 2009, 10:13:29 pm
I think its you who are shit. Fringe is like the best thing on TV currently... although I suppose its not hard to achieve that with all the shit these days.
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Post by: ATARI on December 26, 2009, 10:22:04 pm
Quote from: Verne on December 26, 2009, 10:13:29 pm
I think its you who are shit. Fringe is like the best thing on TV currently... although I suppose its not hard to achieve that with all the shit these days.
hahaha.  there are clearly things far worse on currently, but nobody in their right mind can call fringe good television
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Post by: Shadow Kirby on January 09, 2010, 03:04:34 am
Just saw the latest episode........ DUDE!!!!!!!! There so many fucking twist I just can't believe it.
Fuck you Joss Whedon for making your show so awesome in the last 3 episodes.
I mean... what.....why....wtf!
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Post by: Mateui on January 09, 2010, 03:06:39 am
I know... I was just :shocking: at the last 10 minutes or so.
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Post by: Parker on January 09, 2010, 04:56:47 am
Joss Whedon is awesome. Buffy The Vampire Slayer is one of the most entertaining television series' that has ever existed. Also, he helped with the screenplay for Toy Story.

also, hello, firefly and serenity?



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Post by: Shadow Kirby on January 30, 2010, 02:03:56 am
Bumpy.

Dude, I kinda cried at the end. My favorite character, , no.... :(
But I guess it was the only way out.
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Post by: Massy2k6 on January 30, 2010, 06:43:59 pm
Was an ok episode although it seemed a little too easy
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Post by: Warped655 on January 30, 2010, 11:35:45 pm
Quote from: Shadow Kirby on January 30, 2010, 02:03:56 am
Bumpy.

Dude, I kinda cried at the end. My favorite character, , no.... :(
But I guess it was the only way out.

Felt the same way Also