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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: massasphyxiation on March 10, 2009, 05:03:44 am
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so everyone's gonna argue it to the end of everything unholy, but do many people see the decline in mainstream rock? even underground rock?
i know rock has always seemed to come in waves in America, which inevitably means there are dry periods such as the stagnant period between rockabilly's downfall and psychadelic's rise or the slow death of hair metal into the rise of grunge, but i seriously am starting to see some signs.
1) MEDIA OVERKILL
not to say that they're not doing it to hip-hop or any other popular genre, but due to mtv, myspace, and every other place on the internet, you can pretty much know what Chris Cornell had for breakfast.
2) GUITAR HERO/ROCK BAND
enough said
3) ROCK AS A NOVELTY
#2 partially goes with this one. most of us here have been raised by people who grew up with rock or at least lived in a rock-influenced culture. marketers and industries have finally become successful in selling rebellion. you see somebody like hannah montanna going for the rock cliche which is so generalized today that anyone with an electric guitar can look the part.
4) MUSICIANS
ok, there have always been those artists that have borrowed an older style. but there have been more and more bands that don't just take a page, but a whole chapter from hair metal, jangle pop, or glam rock these days. 80's have especially made a comeback. with bands like wolfmother, white stripes, the hives, hinder, buckcherry, franz ferdinand, the minus 5, the strokes, etc. there's no need to make anything new if people are eating it. this contributes to rock becoming a novelty (#3)
ok, so commercially, when most people think of jazz, what do they hear in their minds? usually so cool west coast, or swing blues standard, which was, basically, the most commercially successful form of jazz. it captured the idea of what most people thought jazz was the best and therefore whenever it's portrayed in modern pop culture, you're more likely to hear benny goodman (chips ahoy!) then charles mingus (what a shame, too).
i'm starting to see rock go the same way.
do i think it's a shame? hell no cuz i don't listen to the radio, but...
anyway, my whole point is BOW DOWN TO YUNG JEEZY N00BZ LOLOLOLOLORZ!!!!!!
but seriously? what do you guys think? is something like this hard to believe?
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i dont reallycare :welp:
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everything that gets popular gets over comercialised eventually, get over it. personally i prefer the sound of rock to rap but i don't really care if you like rap. I don't really know what you're trying to prove here man.
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get over it.
i never said i had a problem with it.
not trying to prove anything. i'm just pointing some things out. just some stuff that comes to mind now and then.
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"roc`k and roll is dead.
long live rock and roll." ~ k cobain
rock and roll is dead because it sucks. brb im gonna plug in a guitar and be famous ! that rock cliche you talked about with hannah montana? its the same shit you think is the 'real deal' oasisfan
my favorite thing about rock music is those 80s bands that have like four guitarists and they all line up and rock back and forth together and play
hopefully by the year 3000 rock and roll wont even be a memory :)
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You say PINK--I say WTF?
You say HANNAH MONTANA--I say METALLICA
You say ZAC EFRON--I say He's gay
You say RAP--I say METAL
You say IM WEIRD--I say FUCK YOU!
92 % of teenagers population has moved on to RAP.
IF YOU are part of the 8 % that still head bang and love metal then, copy and paste
:cool:
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in mainstream music bullshit probably, maybe. They've got tons of new shitty alt rock bands on mtv and the radio all the time and the led zeppelin of this day is goddamn linkin park.
You've got to look for good music now a days, got to earn it.
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music is dead. aren't posthumous releases great.
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oh and point 2 there is particularly dumb.
people need to stop trivializing serious, engaging music like motherfucking ACDC by making it into a videogame! u r killing it :(
~8tracksonlyguy1973
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rock and roll is dead because it sucks. brb im gonna plug in a guitar and be famous ! that rock cliche you talked about with hannah montana? its the same shit you think is the 'real deal' oasisfan
oasisfan?
well, the gallagher bros. were pretty funny.
i don't have standards or think of a 'real deal' with rock, btw.
oh, and i never said anybody in rock is any more 'real deal' than montanna. i'm using her as an example of the type of cliche rock is now. i don't worship any "real deal"s out there.
all i wanted was to see what you people thought, not some a bash-fest. not sure where you got the idea that i'm some rock-worshiping geezer, im9today
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whats ur favorite hard rock band
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this is my internet posting gimmick. i cant change it so... tuff love
and i made you into rock geezer so i could rail against it because im pretty bored and it was fun!
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whats ur favorite hard rock band
lol
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im not joking bub
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buckcherry is so horrible btw
I just hate them so much
tell me that don't make your stomach churn
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this rock n roll song is fuckin awesome FYI
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this one is awesome too
im gonna post a buncha great rockandroll songs in here
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hard rock? like more "traditional"? don't have one of those
but for whatever rock, it would be faith no more
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fuck yeah wire is still makin' music rock aint dead
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ROCKNEWS: The Jesus Lizard are getting back together and going on tour!!!
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rocknroll4ever
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sorry bud but im gonna go ahead and guess that most of the "rock" you think of when reminiscing about those GOOD OL ROCKNROLLIN DAYS wasn't that great anyway!
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so everyone's gonna argue it to the end of everything unholy
nope :sad:
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man, i was gonna ignore this topic, but you have not made a very compelling argument at all here i don't think.
marketers and industries have finally become successful in selling rebellion. you see somebody like hannah montanna going for the rock cliche which is so generalized today that anyone with an electric guitar can look the part.
why are you making this claim like it is something new? all of this has been true for probably longer than you or most of us have been alive. MARKETING REBELLION and the rockstar cliche have been around for decades pal
then we got this
ok, there have always been those artists that have borrowed an older style. but there have been more and more bands that don't just take a page, but a whole chapter from hair metal, jangle pop, or glam rock these days. 80's have especially made a comeback. with bands like wolfmother, white stripes, the hives, hinder, buckcherry, franz ferdinand, the minus 5, the strokes, etc. there's no need to make anything new if people are eating it. this contributes to rock becoming a novelty (#3)
tbh i'll admit that probably at no point in time in the history of modern music were people coopting old styles than this past decade with _____-rock revival and whatever else. buuuuut you are focusing on the most bland commercial music and generalizing about an entire genre. to begin with you've got the issue of the concept of ROCK being incredibly nebulous at best and meaningless at worst. what do you mean by rock? what qualifies as rock, what doesn't, and why?
but alright movin beyond that, yeah, rock aint dead if you bother to think this question through beyond hannah montana////jonas bros???? FUCK THIS SHIT. there are tons of interesting rock bands around now, and a fair amount who are trying new things instead of just taking a page out of something someone did 20-30 years ago. so ya people still do new/intriguing things in rock and there are still legitimate rock bands out there (see: wire). anyone who says rock is dead is dumb or not looking very hard, because the SPIRIT OF ROCK or w/e lives on and not by a small amount if you just pay attention to anything that isn't on mtv or the radio. whoa lets base our conclusions of an entire huge genre of music on the single most commercially-driven facet of it.
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i don't have standards
summary of OP
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sorry bud but im gonna go ahead and guess that most of the "rock" you think of when reminiscing about those GOOD OL ROCKNROLLIN DAYS wasn't that great anyway!
oasisfan?
not sure where you got the idea that i'm some rock-worshiping geezer,
if you're talkin about old 70's shit or that i'm some kinda neo-hippy who wants to bring back the dead, then uhh.....
and headphonics, i see what you mean about some guys doing new things doing new stuff outside of the spotlight. i guess i'm mostly talking about rock falling out of the mainstream's favor.
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most mainstream music is garbage because most people have terrible taste in music, or just completely lack taste altogether. it exists for people who almost always like bad music! idk why people talk about this so much
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Rock is fucking dead faggots. Stop talking about rock it's dead
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rock is dead? ever hear of a little group called PARAMORE? see ya on the flipside, turtles.
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if rock is dead then i guess all we've got left is...ghost-rock
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angst has been marketed since the sex pistols and it's not necessarily a bad thing
go read some greil marcus
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also imo "rock" is the most ambiguous genre of all the ambiguous genres
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rock is broad as fuck but it sure as hell isn't as ambiguous as indie is
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hahaha beasley all name dropping greil marcus now.
just fyi nothing is really worth reading past like lipstick traces but I guess it's a good intro to music crit.
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rock is broad as fuck but it sure as hell isn't as ambiguous as indie is
indie is considered part of rock so yeah it is.
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uhh nope that's indie rock. crossover genres ???
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this is one stupid fucking topic
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indie is considered part of rock so yeah it is.
ok so metal is rock too
and emo?
and pop?
and post-rock?
and
and
~rock music~
wow i sound like shep or some sh*t
also ryan i don't really get this lock we don't have much activity in music forum why not just let it be......