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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Farren on March 11, 2009, 11:57:21 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acBE30ajqpA
"Technologically advanced equipment" my ass, those motherfuckers have to have a mile of space to turn and go at 10 knots max.
I was on the sister ship of this one, in the same area and doing the same shit. I didn't say what kind of boats were messing with the ship but my money is on chinese fishing boats, which is funny as shit because they can barely stay afloat.
Also I had to report those exact same low fliers, this is so weird. But yeah chinese ships/boats are always following those ships around because they're trying to expand their borders and don't want their sub traffic known.
Edit: I don't think I'm giving anything important away because its already all over the news and the chinese def know which ones do what just from those planes so. Also I didn't have a security clearance when I found this stuff out so I don't think it matters.
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why the hell do US military ships even need to be anywhere near china?
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ever heard of godzilla STUPID.
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ever heard of godzilla STUPID.
errr your thinking of nihon maybe you should re-evaluate who u call stupid mister :fogetlaugh:
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Ya like werent they just dumping wood crates or something infront of the U.S boats....
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errr your thinking of nihon maybe you should re-evaluate who u call stupid mister :fogetlaugh:
hahaha yeah steel u just owned urself!
hows it feel to be so DUMB?
probably not that great, at least thats what i think it would feel but i wouldnt know cuz im not THAT DUMB!!!!
oh shit
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yeah im gonna keep track of...those people. yea right.
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yeah im gonna keep track of...those people. yea right.
Are you implying that our Asiatic friends are less than desireable people? Well let me tell you, mr "Magical Negro", the asians, and specifically the Nihonese (thats japanese for you gaijins) have brought most of our cultural and technological advances about. How can you look at a video game and not bless Nihon for it's superior minds and generosity?
Even movies have been completely changed by our friends. Who has not heard of Godzilla, who revolutionized film?
And don't get me started on the woman :naughty:
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yeah im gonna keep track of...those people. yea right.
ahh rook same
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And don't get me started on the woman :naughty:
Cheap and easy.
The Chinese and their shinanigans always the same. Unless it was a gun fight this is kinda meh.
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Ya like werent they just dumping wood crates or something infront of the U.S boats....
I'm guessing to fuck up the array that the ships pull on a cable behind them, its the hi tech technological shit they're talking about.
Yeah I just re watched it and saw the pics those are def fishing boats doing the shit. They'd drop some garbage infront of us and they're generally pretty bad about dumping trash in the ocean but I guess they didn't have all those pallets or whatever they were using.
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So Chinese fishing boats are messing with our giant ass murderboats? Just because they don't like Americans or what?
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Those aren't murderboats, they had to let out firehoses to get the boats to fuck off and that really didn't work. That boat should have had a security detachment to deal with that shit though.
they're (china) trying to widen their borders and are attempting to force people out with military escorts ect.. Just because they don't want anyone there, especially US military trying to find their subs.
imo someone is trying to draw attention to china or some shit because thats not really anything. I guess its an incident, but the "effective" lost its steering gear and had to hand steer into a Californian harbor (I'm pretty sure from Guam) and I don't think that was in the news at all.
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thats stupid, who cares where chinese submarines are at, leave them alone!
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What was the spy ship doing there in the first place? I'm pretty sure the U.S. would be pretty pissed off if teh Chinese sent a spy ship to find American subs, even if the Chinese ships remained in international waters.
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why the hell do US military ships even need to be anywhere near china?
We keep ships/ subs all across the planet.
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We keep ships/ subs all across the planet.
Maybe we shouldnt
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but... but... how will you keep the terrorists in check?
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you've got no ships in new zealand :)
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you've got no ships in new zealand :)
really wouldn't surprise me if we did, us mil likes to be everywhere and nowhere at once.
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you've got no ships in new zealand :)
Don't you feel threatened that there may be some hidden chinese submarines nearby?
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What was the spy ship doing there in the first place? I'm pretty sure the U.S. would be pretty pissed off if teh Chinese sent a spy ship to find American subs, even if the Chinese ships remained in international waters.
Hello has anyone here seen any movies about the cold war?
Yeah, welcome to China v. USA: Cold War 2.
No nation in the world can challenge the USN on the surface. It's just not possible. The only country that would even stand a fighting chance is the UK; but even that would be a one-sided knock-out. So what did the USSR do? They just built a lot of nuclear subs. A lot of them. Then they sailed them everywhere they were legally allowed to, and some places they weren't; Canadian waters up North, or too close to the US coastline, et cetera. Then the USSR collapsed, and they decommissioned a huge number of their submarines. The rest are still in service with the Russian Navy. Or are they?
No, of course they're not. Dozens of SSNs (that's nuclear subs to you landlubbers) were sold to the People's Republic of China, who was looking to extend the same kind of naval control Russia was. Neither has a great tradition of building surface fleets or carriers, so they both defaulted to the cheapest (still hella expensive) means of naval superiority: Submarine sandwiches. Only these sandwiches... were deadly!
China has subs everywhere. All the time. They are sneaky. The only real difference between the USSR and the PRC's navy is that the PRC doesn't maintain any force in the Atlantic, because it's impractical for them. Oh, and I guess they don't have any retardedly large ICBM-carrying monstrosities like the Soviets had. "Hey guys let's build a football field... underwater. Also lets give it a nuclear propulsion system."
Why? Why would China sail these nuclear subs all around the Pacific, wasting money and nuclear fuel? Just in case. Larger nuclear subs serve as launch pads for theatre ballistic missiles, which are like short ranged versions of their intercontinental brothers and just as deadly. They can (and do) hold nuclear warheads. You could destroy every nuclear silo on the planet, and the navies of the world could still completely wipe out all life on Earth with the nuclear missiles they carry. Surprise, it's the newest great game!
China moves their subs around, and the US follows. If they find one, they send an official complaint, and the Chinese don't send subs to that area for awhile afterward. The US has to patrol the waters of the world to make sure the Chinese (or the Russians, they're still around) don't operate at their leisure. This is kind of serious. It's strong evidence that the Chinese were moving a number of SSNs through the area.
Seriously, how many fishing boat captains just decide to stand up to a billion dollar ship and know the most cost-effective and seemingly innocent way of disrupting it's communications? Move along, US Navy, nothing to see here.
Please don't nuke us, China.
edit: I'm not overly paranoid about dem chinese comin for our womens or anything, but pretty much every since the nuke was invented the US has had to police the world against another major power... just to give them a few minutes head start if a nuclear war breaks out. They don't tell anyone this because it's really scary but will probably never happen.
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This is funny because you know americans would kick up a major shitfest if a chinese ship was seen in international waters but near the united states searchin for american subs.
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This is funny because you know americans would kick up a major shitfest if a chinese ship was seen in international waters but near the united states searchin for american subs.
I'm guessing you just missed that big ol' post I made, but the short answer is that the Chinese don't have the resources to send surface ships to international waters off the US coast, but they do send subs there. All the time. And the US doesn't shit its pants. It realizes that they are doing the same thing the USN is doing to them. The commies have been sailing around off the coast for 60 years, why would the US have a heart attack now?
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why the hell do US military ships even need to be anywhere near china?
the point of the navy is force protection.
in layman's terms, cock measuring contest.
the usn is pretty much the biggest advantage america has over every other country. like the united kingdom is second and it has something like 50 commissioned vessels vs. america's 300+
basically, if the big imperialist bullies didn't wave their cock around then the smaller bullies would start waving theirs. iranian boats harass pretty much everyone in the persian gulf and the only thing keeping them from leaving their borders is the larger fleet of french and american boats harassing them. world military power is one gigantic food chain of bigger bully picking on smaller bully who's picking on even smaller bully who's subjugating the common civilian by taxing/stealing/bullying/conscripting the hell out of them.
I'm guessing you just missed that big ol' post I made, but the short answer is that the Chinese don't have the resources to send surface ships to international waters off the US coast, but they do send subs there. All the time. And the US doesn't shit its pants. It realizes that they are doing the same thing the USN is doing to them. The commies have been sailing around off the coast for 60 years, why would the US have a heart attack now?
what this man said. foreign vessels float around US international waters all the time. you just don't hear about it because the media is too busy reporting about christian bale slugging his mom.
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imo what Kaempfer said is basically whats going on.
I was told that the chinese might be moving nukes to Cuba, but thats really hear say and probably paranoid bullshit. China/Korea have those low flying planes, Coast guard and PRC navy warships patrolling the area and if you're on a foreign ship and hit the yellow sea then they'll be on your ass in a minute. (unless of course you are a US/ally military fleet)
but really no-side is right. Its the US and Japan working together in that area hunting nukes and doing fuck knows all with korea and china moving nukes and doing fuck knows all at the same time.
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Theres a fuck ton of shit happening out there in the waters you don't here about unless it's:
A) A big fucking tanker being attacked by pirates (except in the middle east where pirating is ridiculous).
B) A fishing boat that either goes after endangered species or hunts illegally.
C) National security risks (RUSSIAN FLAG IN ANTARTICA, THE COMMIES ARE COMIN'!!!).
I read a world coverage magazine so I know a smidgen more about what happens in the seven seas then most people, but i'm sure Marcus can give us the whole shebang.
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imo what Kaempfer said is basically whats going on.
I was told that the chinese might be moving nukes to Cuba, but thats really hear say and probably paranoid bullshit. China/Korea have those low flying planes, Coast guard and PRC navy warships patrolling the area and if you're on a foreign ship and hit the yellow sea then they'll be on your ass in a minute. (unless of course you are a US/ally military fleet)
but really no-side is right. Its the US and Japan working together in that area hunting nukes and doing fuck knows all with korea and china moving nukes and doing fuck knows all at the same time.
If that's true, then China is trying really, really hard to either a) make an exact replica of the Cold War or b) prove it's better than Russia
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nope it's just the patriots
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it probably isn't because the only time I can remember hearing that was from a kind of dumpy dude that told me he's spotted the tops of subs on the water from the deck and I think he was really just bullshitting so thats not something I would go on.
I could believe it but I can't remember anyone of note mentioning anything like that to me so, yeah. I wouldn't bet on it.
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but i'm sure Marcus can give us the whole shebang.
no i can't. not because i'm not allowed to lol divulge secrets but 90% of my knowledge comes from the same news channels everyone else is watching. i just get inside info on usn ship movement and that becomes common knowledge in 24 hours (sometimes less; there was a big stink where a local paper knew about ship movement before the fucking captain of the ship itself did!).
i usually have bookmarked 10 different international news sources like al jazeera, jerusalem post, bbc and china daily but i don't think there's a single freelance international news station that's both A) unbiased and B) has world coverage.
news scares me because i know there are more important things not being covered.
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jesus christ i trolled this thread into a community college INTRO TO INTERNATIONAL POLITICS class discussion
im a lil ashamed of myself
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Guys the Chinese and US governments are just giving each other reasons to piss away more money into the ocean on pointlessly large navies. US business has invested so much in China and they pretty much rely on US as a consumer state so there's absolutely no reason to go to war. Nobody is sitting around in either government going "Hey lets fuck up everything!"
Show some spectacular shit like this to morons watching too much network news and you can reinforce the illusion that flushing so much tax money down the shitter by giving it to the military-industrial complex is a great idea.
people who think the relationship between US and China has any resemblance of the US and USSR during the cold war are duuuuuuuuuumb
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what dc said. china and the us' economy are p. much attached at the hip so im not worried
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Was watching a show about subs, you know there are 12 nuclear subs, swimming (right word?) in the ocean, which contain 24 (288 in total) nukes each? According to the show, they are so stealthy, no one knows where they are, except the crew on board. As Kaempfer said, these subs could destroy Earth ALONE.
Missile they use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trident_missile
The sub: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ohio_class_submarine
Added: This is for the US btw, so add on all the other countries with these things and you got a shit ton of nukes.
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Don't listen to dietcoke about china fucking commie
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so for you sub knowledgeable dudes: how far inland can these subs launch these nukes?
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Don't listen to dietcoke about china fucking commie
China isn't communist!
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They should rename China to Costco
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Whatever you say, Red
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U filthy white firstworld imperialist parasite...
You'll be humming a different tune after your reeducation!
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people who think the relationship between US and China has any resemblance of the US and USSR during the cold war are duuuuuuuuuumb
I meant to put "movies about the naval cold war" and also "China v. USA: Naval Cold War 2".
Pretty much everything I said was about the naval aspect of this since I thought that was what this topic was about! The politics/economics are completely different, but that is a more recent thing than the naval aspect of the thing which China pretty much inherited from GLORIOUS TEACHER USSR as they were finding their way in international military politics.
Chinese politicians may never go to war ever, but that doesn't mean that their admirals and generals don't act like war could never happen. It's their job. They're given billions of dollars worth of funding to be prepared, so they are prepared. Otherwise they'd suck at their job. If you're the secretary of defense in your country and you are given ten billion dollars worth of tanks and aircraft, even the biggest pacifist in the general staff would think "hmm, let's at least fly these things around a little!".
Just because Wal-Mart declares that the USA will never go to war with China doesn't mean that there won't be a civil war in China and the USA won't have to intervene. And if they do have to intervene, they want the infrastructure and training in place to respond to any threat any where at any time. It makes sense from a military standpoint. If China stops sending subs everywhere the rest of the world will just think they're pussies and get an upper hand on the economic stage, because they'll then have 100% control of all the shipping routes everywhere. It's called leverage!
Every belligerent action a superpower makes has a resounding impact on political and economic negotiations happening around the same time, so China and the USA (who are both very good at calculating which belligerent action to take, usually) metaphorically bump into each other as they pass in the hallway at school all the time to send messages. "Hey I'm tough gimme the answers to the physics test" "Alright but you have to beat that kid up for me after school" "Cool it's a deal brah" then they go have 600 trillion dollar malts at the soda shop.
So regardless of whether or not they are terrified of each other economically, they are still going to be keeping themselves ready just in case something unanticipated arises (say, a third party) the best way possible: by facing off against the only nation capable of challenging them.
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so kaempfer i bet you got an A+ in that intro to international relations class eh??
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Just because Wal-Mart declares that the USA will never go to war with China doesn't mean that there won't be a civil war in China and the USA won't have to intervene. And if they do have to intervene, they want the infrastructure and training in place to respond to any threat any where at any time. It makes sense from a military standpoint. If China stops sending subs everywhere the rest of the world will just think they're pussies and get an upper hand on the economic stage, because they'll then have 100% control of all the shipping routes everywhere. It's called leverage!
you're dumb. why would you even think china would have a civil war? are you just making up hypothetical situations?
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what if all the chinese became the incredible hulk? what would this mean for treaties?
what if american all started to crap nuclear fuel rods? will we defeat oil dependence?
what if climbtree was a nation with a GDP of 20 billion? could we convince him to stop the civil war in China?
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China pretty much inherited from GLORIOUS TEACHER USSR as they were finding their way in international military politics.
Ummmmm are you aware that china and the soviet union were pretty much ready to go to war with each other since the late 50s?
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This thread is now a What-if thread. please stay on topic
What if the United States were run by monkeys XD
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WE ALREADY ARE XD
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US and china have been cooperating militarily for decades, the US even funded the chinese military under Reagan. Man you've been reading too much tom clancy.
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WE ALREADY ARE XD
That was a really funny post ryan because it was a georgebush joke compounded with an ironic racist joke about obama, I LOL'd for real and I'm not even joking
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really wouldn't surprise me if we did, us mil likes to be everywhere and nowhere at once.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANZUS#New_Zealand_bans_nuclear_ships
if china started a civil war, i'd finish it.
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yeah but nobody gives a shit what new zealand thinks or says or makes law
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WE ALREADY ARE XD
Even though you guys are jus' making fun of me I also laughed out loud.
I didn't take international relations (school is for wimps) and I don't read Tom Clancy (books are for wimps). I'm aware China and the USSR have had seriously strained relations and that the USA has a policy of funding the Chinese against pretty much anyone they don't like, but the Chinese mimicked the USSR is a huge number of ways because of similarities within their industrial base and economics at the time.
The Chinese civil war comment was dumb but fuck you for calling me dumb in general. All I'm getting at is that SOMETIMES THINGS HAPPEN (Chinese hulks would be red) and when those things can be nuclear explosions you tend to be a little bit paranoid!
gettin sick of your shit pal...
Also am I missing something with these double posts? Like... gotta post this RIGHT NOW before I lose my idea!!! Ok now it's posted, time to get serious in a new post. Yeah, take it!! *throws a one-two air punch combo at screen*
This is pretty neat! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_depth_bomb
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making a new post interposes more of a pause than making a new paragraph would, and it's so.... rebellious *strokes arm, small sound of approval*
neat in the way that nuclear armaments are i guess
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neat in the way that nuclear armaments are i guess
I just like pictures of underwater explosions.
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gettin sick of your shit pal...
I don't think you're dumb buddy, im talkin out my ass probably 84% of the time im posting
Also am I missing something with these double posts? Like... gotta post this RIGHT NOW before I lose my idea!!! Ok now it's posted, time to get serious in a new post. Yeah, take it!! *throws a one-two air punch combo at screen*
lol no i just post the first thing that comes to my mind and if i have something to add i just make another post. i guess i could edit my previous one but :welp:
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I'm pretty glad that nothing extremely stupid happened. If the Chinese were to just randomly fire an RPG or something at a US ship, there'd be a huge public outcry and a call among the people to defend our ships (shoot back). Cooling relations with China afterwards would be very hard to do. And, even though this is hypothetical, they're still butting heads and shit happens. Honestly I don't want China demanding our US Treasury back right now kthx.
Man those silly BRIC countries...
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if we nuke china would that count as a run on the bank??
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I'm pretty glad that nothing extremely stupid happened. If the Chinese were to just randomly fire an RPG or something at a US ship, there'd be a huge public outcry and a call among the people to defend our ships (shoot back). Cooling relations with China afterwards would be very hard to do. And, even though this is hypothetical, they're still butting heads and shit happens. Honestly I don't want China demanding our US Treasury back right now kthx.
Man those silly BRIC countries...
A strong ship's hull could probably take some rpg hits if they weren't too strong.
There was a cruise ship that some african pirates attacked and it took a couple rpg shots. Those tagos ships are pretty damn thick and only have portholes, but its probably a lot weaker in the undercarriage part I'm p sure that ship was pontoon shaped like mine.
Those ships are also supposed to have military security detachments on them when they go that close to china. Trust me, china wouldn't do any dumb shit like that unless it was a fishing boat crew. Now they actually carry ak-47s on board their boats and throw knives/shoot at ships that run over their fishing lines. But I've only heard that through stories from the crew so grain of salt on that one. The captain told me that some fishing boats used a grappling hook to get aboard our ship one time. Thats pretty crazy.
One fishing boat pulled along our ship and was about ten feet from our port broad side and stayed there until the captain talked to them off the bridge wing because they though we ran over their lines.
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god damn. alright china, we admit it, you're better than russia. chill out bro.
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Those damned crazy fishermen.
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it's okay we have a big scary black man to protect us now!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANZUS#New_Zealand_bans_nuclear_ships
if china started a civil war, i'd finish it.
still wouldn't surprise me. :shrug:
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more like none dawg...
I went to school at the same place the crew did, paul hall center.
I can't find any better clips but what happened was the USS alabama, a maersk ship (the company I worked for which is the same company that runs the tago class ships one of which the op is about) Was hijacked off the coast of Somalia. After a fight the captain gave himself up for the crew (I really didn't see that coming because most of the captains I've met were cowards) and was taken off the ship.
After spending a few nights in a lifeboat with the Somalian pirates (he tried to get away but they shot at him) he was rescued by a navy seals detachment of which killed two of the pirates and took the last one into custody.
What they don't mention is that the SIU crews those maersk ships in Norfolk, so I could know some of the crew. But I don't know who was onboard yet. Thats pretty crazy though, I'm really glad that they got the captain back I was almost certain he was done for.
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That's pretty amazing of the captain to have given himself up for the crew. I didn't think there were people like that now-a-days.
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They should rename China to Costco
gotta love em gang of 4 for standin for the common man