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Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:04:04 am
okay so i have been unemployed for several months now and have been actively applying and looking for a job the entire time. share your stories about being poor and apparently unemployable in this thread.

also does anyone know a good website to look for jobs on that isn't 100% spam or TAKE SURVEYS ON THE INTERNET FOR QUICK CASH $$$ kind of things??? craigslist and hotjobs are both this entirely.

also give me advice about finding a job. im getting desperate!!
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:04:51 am
also if this helps: i have no skills or degrees and limited work experience
Title: finding a job
Post by: Aten on March 25, 2009, 05:08:12 am
Oh god, I thought for a second that I made this topic. Cause thats my situation as well. I do have work experience though, from sales to assistant system administrator. I'll be watching this topic.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Bobberticus on March 25, 2009, 05:09:45 am
awesome. This is my situation too.
haven't worked since september 2007 :]
Title: finding a job
Post by: cowardknower on March 25, 2009, 05:10:26 am
okay so i have been unemployed for several months now and have been actively applying and looking for a job the entire time. share your stories about being poor and apparently unemployable in this thread.

also does anyone know a good website to look for jobs on that isn't 100% spam or TAKE SURVEYS ON THE INTERNET FOR QUICK CASH $$$ kind of things??? craigslist and hotjobs are both this entirely.

also give me advice about finding a job. im getting desperate!!

Craigslist is actually pretty legit in some locations.  You just have to be all over it constantly.
im in new york city and ive got a job now making $20/hr that I got from craigslist.

<edit> no college degree.  most of my resume is some office work, an internship and an assload of freelance composition jobs.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:11:26 am
http://lynchburg.craigslist.org/jjj/

look at this shit.

99% of them are blatantly spam, the other 1% i am not qualified for :(
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:11:52 am
or they're full time. i can't do full time as i have school and whatnot
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on March 25, 2009, 05:12:58 am
you can easily work fulltime while in school, especially community college.  many/most people do.
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on March 25, 2009, 05:13:51 am
ps you might not be applying correctly.  a lot of people dont know how the hell to get jobs.  it's not hard but it's easy to fuck up if you have limited work experience
Title: finding a job
Post by: something bizarre and impractical on March 25, 2009, 05:13:58 am
Persistence. Ask friends if they can get you an in, even if it's like ONE DAY A WEEK SWEEPING or some shit. Spam resumes like nobody's business.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:16:29 am
you can easily work fulltime while in school, especially community college.  many/most people do.

this might not really be a legit reason but i don't really want to work full time!! im trying to practice guitar as much as possible so i can actually get in to a school when i transfer and back when i worked 36 hours a week at walmart + went to school i had no time to practice!!!  :cool:
Title: finding a job
Post by: ase on March 25, 2009, 05:20:00 am
Try to get a job at a music store or something. Cite your major at school and any other music-related activities as experience.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:21:18 am
theres only one music store around here and ive already applied to work in their education department. funny thing is i actually know the owner pretty well and she pretty much told me id get hired.

i wasnt!!

to be an actual sales rep or w/e at the music store though you need like 5 years experience in sales or a ba in business to get hired
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:23:25 am
i tried doing the PLAYING SHOWS FOR MONEY thing but around here apparently this is impossible unless you play the banjo or upright bass and love bluegrass.

or unless you post ads like these on craigslist:

Quote
Looking for a committed bass player for a power P&W/rock band. Passion for the musc is a must but even more so a passion about your walk! Vocals a big +++. Some Christian influences Todd Agnew, Third Day, Jeremy Camp, Casting Crowns, Seventh Day Slumber, Matt Redman, Baloche, Vineyard etc etc.... You get the idea.... The goal is working into an all orginal band.. I look forward to hearing from you soon!


For His Glory!

John
Title: finding a job
Post by: ase on March 25, 2009, 05:26:28 am
that's ridiculous. at my local guitar center, a lot of the employees are young guys in their low-20's who sound too stupid to have ever attended college. they def. just work there because they are good at DRUMS or PRO-AUDIO equipment
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:29:15 am
def. not like that at my local music store! a bunch of older guys work as the sales reps, like 30+


Title: finding a job
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on March 25, 2009, 05:34:36 am
i have pretty limited work experience too but honestly it's not hard at all to get a job. you just have to know how to tailor your resume towards whatever job you're applying for.

i just got a job at zara (i only applied to clothing stores because i couldn't really think of anywhere else at the time, and the discounts would be useful!)/calls from h&m and club monaco , so i guess I still have a chance with those too for the summer but i'm not sure i'll even go through with that since I might get a scholarship to study in china for the summer!
Title: finding a job
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on March 25, 2009, 05:35:18 am
but really just apply to a lot of retail places and they should call you back if your resume looks good.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Cray on March 25, 2009, 05:35:22 am
become a webcam model for a random porn site :)
you have to get used to wank for anonymous people though.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Jester on March 25, 2009, 05:35:25 am
i dont know how it works in.. uh.. america or whever you live (i do not pay attention sry) but i was unemployed for the longest time, then my government forced me into this JOB APPLICATION TRAINING course for 2 weeks. they went through how to lay out my CV (resumé or whatever you call it), how to apply correctly, etc, even what kind of paper to use for CV printing (apparently CREAM PAPER gets more attention)

long story short, i was unemployed for 6 months, and at the end of the 2 week course i had a job. so in the UK at least, that shit is important, but yeah like i said i have no idea how you guys even apply for jobs, if you use resumes or just fill in application forms.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:36:42 am
become a webcam model for a random porn site :)
you have to get used to wank for anonymous people though.

fuck off
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:37:30 am
i have pretty limited work experience too but honestly it's not hard at all to get a job. you just have to know how to tailor your resume towards whatever job you're applying for.

i just got a job at zara (i only applied to clothing stores because i couldn't really think of anywhere else at the time, and the discounts would be useful!)/calls from h&m and club monaco , so i guess I still have a chance with those too for the summer but i'm not sure i'll even go through with that since I might get a scholarship to study in china for the summer!

the problem is I have no resume. i've done a bit of random under the table shit but other than that i worked at wendys for a week when i was 16 and worked at walmart for 3-4 months in 2008
Title: finding a job
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on March 25, 2009, 05:40:42 am
that alone is enough. i've only done a bit of volunteering and worked at M&M meatshops one summer too, as well as some painting jobs. but just focus on your retail experience and talk about the skills you learned from it (bs some shit) like your interpersonal skills and stuff.

you obviously have to make a resume ... your qualifications (your strengths) get almost as much attention as your work experience!
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on March 25, 2009, 05:42:16 am
classifieds section of your newspaper and pretty much ask for an application at every business you enter.

You may be workin' a shit job for a while, but it's a lot easier to find a new job while you're currently employed and you won't have to worry about shit like missing rent or eating top ramen for a month.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:43:06 am
i actually know how to make a resume btw! we spent almost an entire semester in highschool (i took a business class) on making resumes and i had to do the same in my college computer class. we went through the whole deal, doing cover sheet, etc etc
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on March 25, 2009, 05:44:21 am
get a job on a seafood processing boat during the summer

you will work a shitload but you won't spend any of your income so you'll come out with a ton of money that'll last you a while.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:45:25 am
i was thinking of that, but i'm taking several classes this summer so thats a no-go
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on March 25, 2009, 05:47:07 am
i actually know how to make a resume btw! we spent almost an entire semester in highschool (i took a business class) on making resumes and i had to do the same in my college computer class. we went through the whole deal, doing cover sheet, etc etc

you may as well just fill out applications though. Even if you have a resume, chain stores/franchises/etc. are going to have you fill out one of their applications anyway. Imean if you're really desperate for a job, a coverletter for a barista/busser/cashier position or something ain't gonna impress anyone TBH.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:48:45 am
well yeah most of the larger chain stores just make you fill out (practically an identical) online application. honestly i think i've filled out that same application for like 10 different chain stores. i wish i could just save it and send it out to all of them at once :(
Title: finding a job
Post by: the_bub_from_the_pit on March 25, 2009, 05:49:20 am
don't most retail places ask you to fill out an app but still want resumes? and yeah, no one wants a cover letter unless it's a more important company/position.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 05:51:35 am
most have a little thing where you can copy + paste a pretty simple one in their online apps. i've never actually sent a cover letter but some of the craigslist ads ask for one but they're probably spam anyway
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on March 25, 2009, 05:55:22 am
there is a job opening near me rightnow for a someone to come in the bakery every night(starting at 2AM) for 5+ hours and just bake cupcakes until the place opens.


Title: finding a job
Post by: Farren on March 25, 2009, 06:01:50 am
there are no motherfucking shipping companies hiring in my area and I'm prolly gonna have to go to new orleans and apply at some places or something. SUCKS SUCKs SUCKSSUCKS SUCKS SUCKS
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on March 25, 2009, 06:05:08 am
fuckin west coast is the best coast. we got shit comin' in from china every single day
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on March 25, 2009, 06:06:58 am
fuck the entire east coast, you guys are old news!

as soon as we take care of our whole mexicans issue the entire continent is gonna start leaning over here from all the people running this way to get the fuck up outta the midwest and east


 :fogetcool:
Title: finding a job
Post by: Doktormartini on March 25, 2009, 06:16:06 am
I'm employed but poor because my job is REALLY SLOW during the school season but when summer comes around it's picking up.  Also, my mom has been looking for a job for over a year it sucks.
Title: finding a job
Post by: ase on March 25, 2009, 06:17:25 am
also, i dont know if you commute to school or live on campus, but either way you should try getting a job on campus. If you filled out a FAFSA and opted to apply for "Work Study" you get higher precedence over other students.

I work ~12 hours a week at school and make $11/hr, which I think is pretty good for just ordering student employees around at the dining hall from 8PM-2AM.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on March 25, 2009, 06:18:24 am
i go to a community college, so commuting is the only option. i've already applied twice to work in the bookstore and the food place, no luck
Title: finding a job
Post by: Sredni Vashtar on March 25, 2009, 06:22:39 am
 guru.com is a site where you can freelance with whatever skills you do have. It's sort of like an auction for the employers when they want to hire the best qualified person, and sort of like an auction for you when they don't want to spend money.

Details are on the site but I get regular emails for engineering projects and one guy was looking for someone to design his company a sexbot so that's interesting sometimes.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Massy2k6 on March 25, 2009, 08:04:53 am
If you really want a job then just apply at Mc.Donalds or any other fast food chain you have around you, you can work for as little as 1 day a week.. those places always take part-timers.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on March 25, 2009, 08:55:07 am
kill two birds with one stone, check out your local busking laws. busy days you can get a really decent amount and it may be tax free (check this out first).
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on March 25, 2009, 09:34:03 am
yo it's pretty easy to lie/make up shit on your resume.  if thats what you need to do to make it look like you've got work experience, do it.  also, are you talking to managers when you're applying?  if you fill out an application, don't leave until you've talked to a manager and if you can try to do an interview right then and there.  this of course also means that you shouldn't be going into a place during their rush, either.  but for the most part, they take applications, throw them in a stack and never look at them again, so if you want a job, just applying isn't good enough.

you need to apply and then say HEY LEMME TALK TO A MANAGER and then be like yeah i really need/want a job and here is my experience (make shit up) and here are the hours i can work (lie, you can always change your availability once you're in the door).  then hopefully if they're even hiring at all to begin with and the dude has time and you've made it seem like you have experience and can work flexible hours, they'll give you an interview you can bullshit your way through and then bam you're hired!!  but if you just submit your application without following up before leaving, they'll probably never call you back.  also ofc ya have to make it seem like you're eager to work in whatever random shithole you're applying at
Title: finding a job
Post by: Boulvae on March 25, 2009, 11:37:49 am
Volunteer some places and show em' your stuff.
Title: finding a job
Post by: esiann on March 25, 2009, 12:49:17 pm
online job boards are good, but most of the ones i'm looking at are either for summer or graduates. there are probably plenty of basic full-time positions though
Title: finding a job
Post by: Wash Cycle on March 25, 2009, 01:44:57 pm
i go to a community college, so commuting is the only option. i've already applied twice to work in the bookstore and the food place, no luck
best time to apply to these places is at the end of the term saying that you want to work next term because thats when most of their staff leaves (at the end of the term) this is how I got my job working in the food place at school
Title: finding a job
Post by: Shadow Kirby on March 25, 2009, 02:20:50 pm
well yeah most of the larger chain stores just make you fill out (practically an identical) online application. honestly i think i've filled out that same application for like 10 different chain stores. i wish i could just save it and send it out to all of them at once :(

Here's your problem. Go there and fill the application at the chain store and try to give you CV to whoever is responsible of hiring. It shows you're interested in the job.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Massy2k6 on March 25, 2009, 02:54:14 pm
My CV was pretty terrible so I decided to volunteer at the local charity shop while looking for work, its usually extremely easy and charity shops are normally always looking for volunteers.. When you get any interviews let the interviewer know that your currently volunteering at what ever charity to keep yourself busy, it looks and sounds good.

Also the lady who ran the charity shop was kind enough to offer references for me although I had only been there for a couple of weeks.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Mechtab on April 05, 2009, 03:37:44 am
If you were fired or laid off at wal-mart you should be able to collect some unemployment benefits. I filed my girlfriend's unemployment online, it was pretty simple. As for work, right now, at least where I live, it's nearly impossible to find a job without a degree or experience.  So I suggest starting your own business. If you are good enough at guitar have you thought of teaching people to play guitar? Advertise your services on craigslist and see if you get any replies. Essentially you will be practicing guitar while making some money.

Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 05, 2009, 04:22:57 am
yes ive tried teaching but it was nearly impossible getting students. i put up ads on craigslist and in the local music store but at most i had like 2 students at a time
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 05, 2009, 04:27:36 am
still unemployed btw, i applied at all of the local fastfood chains again and places like red lobster, etc. nothing! gonna kil myself.,,got no money,,,nojob,,
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 05, 2009, 04:34:27 am
did you do what i said in my last post?  cause again if youre just walking in and submitting your ap and not actively trying to talk to the managers ya aint gonna get a job
Title: finding a job
Post by: ase on April 05, 2009, 04:35:42 am
mo money mo problemz
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 05, 2009, 04:36:55 am
The more things you own, the more things own you. ~ Kurt Cobain
Title: finding a job
Post by: YourHero on April 05, 2009, 04:38:45 am
yes ive tried teaching but it was nearly impossible getting students. i put up ads on craigslist and in the local music store but at most i had like 2 students at a time

really?? you didn't get more through word of mouth? just charge very little and put like a LOT of effort into the lessons to make sure the students enjoy / get something out of them. make lesson plans at first even.

do you drive? people seem to love it when you go to their hosue to teach instead of them going to yours.  â€‹
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 05, 2009, 04:50:04 am
did you do what i said in my last post?  cause again if youre just walking in and submitting your ap and not actively trying to talk to the managers ya aint gonna get a job

no i filled these out online, next time i do an application in person tho ill ask to talk to a manager etc. also how would one bullshit experience? just make up random shit? don't they call and check your references?
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 05, 2009, 04:52:25 am
really?? you didn't get more through word of mouth? just charge very little and put like a LOT of effort into the lessons to make sure the students enjoy / get something out of them. make lesson plans at first even.

do you drive? people seem to love it when you go to their hosue to teach instead of them going to yours.  â€‹

i did put a lot of effort in them! i wasn't just fuckin around. i had like 7 or 8 students total, but never more than like 2 at a time. 5 of those students were homeschooled, ultrareligious kids whos parents sat in on the lesson. they always wanted me to go to their house, even though i charged extra for doing it.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Kaempfer on April 05, 2009, 05:55:35 pm
Don't fill out applications online! That is a mistake. The absolute best way to get a job is to meet with the manager face to face and appear to not be a douche bag. Once you get an interview your resume no longer matters, and sometimes you can get an interview on the spot if you talk to a manager.

DO NOT make up experience. That is a retarded idea. If you apply at any corporate chain they are required to check references (all they do is call and ask if you worked there, usually they don't even ask if you were good or anything). If you have worked for any corporate chain (like Wendy's) then you can list them as a reference, since they'll have you on file. My resume is absolute shit, but I had two references so they called them, made sure I actually worked there, and moved on to the interview.

My best advice to you is this: pick up an application in store, take it home (don't fill it out in store, many managers don't like this since it seems like you aren't actually looking for the facts you need) and FILL IT OUT COMPLETELY. Like, 100%. Don't ever say "see resume" for references or anything. A resume is pretty much useless if you are trying to get hired part time at some chain. Bring back the application and resume (it should still be attached regardless of the fact that they rarely look at it) and try to give it to the most important looking person in the store. Be energetic! Managers don't want to hire people who can't even be polite and interested when dropping off their resumes.

Almost all of the interviews we grant are based on first impressions, so dress appropriately to where you're dropping off a resume and be super nice! And seriously, never make up shit on a resume. You can embellish things, but if an employer calls one person to see if you actually worked there and you didn't they will immediately file your application under the "do not hire" heading.

You can make up your availability and then change it, although employers hate this so be prepared to never get promoted. It will help you get your foot in the door, though. As for suggestions for where to actually apply: look for any places that have high turnaround rates for employees. Some stores hire people and they stay with them for a long time, which means jobs are not usually available. Some stores, however (especially stores that tend to hire younger people) might have an opening due to people leaving en masse for school or whatever. If you catch them at the right time they'll be desperate for people. Also, try to find availability where most other people don't have any (like during the middle of the day, if you take night classes). Everyone can work on the weekends and evenings, so aim for weekdays. Employers will sometimes hire people just to fill in gaps in their schedule.

edit: also make sure you are SUPER PATIENT when it comes to dropping off resumes. Never interrupt someone helping a customer/on the phone/et cetera to drop off your resume. Wait patiently.

The other day a guy interrupted my manager (who was ringing someone through at the time) and asked him "See here where it says 'have you ever been convicted of a crime'? Well, I haven't been YET, but I will be convicted on Friday so do I check it or not?". This is also a bad idea.
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 06, 2009, 03:02:43 am
no i filled these out online, next time i do an application in person tho ill ask to talk to a manager etc. also how would one bullshit experience? just make up random shit? don't they call and check your references?
do people you know have cell phones?  here's what you do.  this is easy for me since we have a house phone and everyone in my family has at least one cell phone but basically you just MAKE UP a company you worked for for like 5 years and then give them your cell phone number as its number and change your message to HI YOUVE REACHED <COMPANY> and then give them your home number as the one to contact you so they wont be like WAIT WHYS THE NUMBER THE SAME.  have someone (like your mom or someone older) record the voice mail message so it wont sound like some kid being like SUP BRO YOUVE REACHED SMITH FINANCE and uhh, have her return their call when they do call and talk you up.  this probably doesnt work with SERIOUS JOBS but it'll work with anyplace you'd get hired
Title: finding a job
Post by: Kaempfer on April 06, 2009, 03:28:14 am
this probably doesnt work with SERIOUS JOBS but it'll work with anyplace you'd get hired

It's easy to limbo when the bar is set six feet high!

Do you have any friends that are respectable? I have a friend who is an aerospace engineer with his own numbered corporation, so if push came to shove I could use him as a fake reference. He's a a bit bad at lying though so he might not be able to bullshit his way through!
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 06, 2009, 04:05:42 am
i mean if you're trying to get a job with a serious company who checks references in details and offers a salary then no, this wouldn't work, although there are things you could do to blow steam up their asses, they're just much more ornate schemes.

he's some kid with a high school diploma who goes to community college, though.  he's not going to get a real job!  what i suggested will and has worked for me with any place he would realistically be hired at: a restaurant, retail, a factory, or any other entry-level, low-wage job where they don't give enough of a shit to thoroughly check references.  i think it's worth doing.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Tsukuru on April 06, 2009, 04:51:34 am
I'm a teenager, so the only jobs that'll hire me is fast food. But I'm too good for that.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on April 06, 2009, 04:55:10 am
what is it about you that makes you too good for working fast food?
Title: finding a job
Post by: Tsukuru on April 06, 2009, 04:59:29 am
what is it about you that makes you too good for working fast food?

Why should I have to serve people? They should be serving me.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on April 06, 2009, 05:00:51 am
:) you are a child
Title: finding a job
Post by: Randy Moist on April 06, 2009, 05:04:52 am
Actually I'd be surprised if they even check references for the jobs you are looking for. But if they do it's really not going to be something serious and you can put family friends or extended family members with different names. And if that's not an option I think Headphonics plan would work, they just wanna make sure you aren't going to show up late and shit.

As for finding a job, look into what kind of after school programs local schools offer (elementary schools particularly). I have no clue what kind of funding VA(?) gives their schools but if they have any sort of club program or after school daycare those things rely on college students who don't have a lot of experience for hiring and have turn over from semester to semester. They might even have something like a MUSIC CLUB which would play into your skills.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Tsukuru on April 06, 2009, 05:05:49 am
:) you are a child

I'm not a child. I just don't think I should work at fast food. I'd rather work retail.    
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 06, 2009, 05:11:01 am
You are such a child. what do you think you do in retail? kiss peoples asses in between organizing lightbulbs on shelves. tbh i prefer working fast food to retail. if i wasnt posting from my phone id warn you for being so stupid. go away
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on April 06, 2009, 05:22:02 am
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I'm a teenager

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Why should I have to serve people? They should be serving me.

:) You are a child
Title: finding a job
Post by: Farren on April 06, 2009, 05:28:29 am
ahahahaahahahaahhahahaahaha

holy shit

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Why should I have to serve people? They should be serving me.

basically any time that you ever have a job at any point in your life you are serving someone. And when you don't have a job and you're living under mommy's roof of which she'll kick your sorry ass out of if you don't take out the trash and clean your room, you're still serving someone.
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 06, 2009, 01:08:19 pm
Actually I'd be surprised if they even check references for the jobs you are looking for. But if they do it's really not going to be something serious and you can put family friends or extended family members with different names. And if that's not an option I think Headphonics plan would work, they just wanna make sure you aren't going to show up late and shit.

As for finding a job, look into what kind of after school programs local schools offer (elementary schools particularly). I have no clue what kind of funding VA(?) gives their schools but if they have any sort of club program or after school daycare those things rely on college students who don't have a lot of experience for hiring and have turn over from semester to semester. They might even have something like a MUSIC CLUB which would play into your skills.
i think you're forgetting to distinguish between personal references and professional references.  they serve entirely different purposes!  yeah he could basically write anyone for a personal reference but professional references are to indicate work experience, not MORAL FIBER so you know, even at some shitty walmart/mcdonald's kind of place, you'd need to do that.  from what i can tell, the economy where he lives is terrible, and getting hired anywhere is difficult as fuck.  even for entry-level jobs, i would say he probably needs to display some type of work experience, real or otherwise, for them to even think about hiring him.  i'm sure they've got a pile of applications from people who're looking for a first job or have never been able to hold one and all of those are going to get ignored in favor of some schlub who's been working at a burger king for the last four years.  ryan could be that schlub!
Title: finding a job
Post by: Alec on April 06, 2009, 08:35:37 pm
I'm not a child. I just don't think I should work at fast food. I'd rather work retail.    
i've worked retail and fast food and fast food is a lot better.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on April 06, 2009, 09:26:54 pm
One benefit food service has over retail is tips.

Both jobs involve customer service and are about equal in how much it sucks working them.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Vellfire on April 06, 2009, 10:37:40 pm
It depends on if you're talking food service in general or fast food.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Kaempfer on April 07, 2009, 05:22:48 am
To be honest maybe teaching guitar is your best bet. While it doesn't sound like it's too busy maybe word of mouth can make that business grow. Also, working in retail is REALLY AWFUL (not like sweatshop awful, just totally not fulfilling and kind of soul draining) and while you might be making less money teaching guitar it will be immensely more interesting for you. Even when you hate it, it'll still be more interesting.

Plus most entry-level jobs pay next to nothing and the hours are pretty bad, so even a slow-as-molasses guitar teaching job will pay almost as much as selling shitty products to people you begin to hate after awhile on principle. So yeah, I'd say try to focus on something you enjoy rather than becoming a corporate slave like the rest of us. Not that there's anything wrong with retail/service but if you can possibly avoid it then avoid it.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on April 07, 2009, 05:29:56 am
buy a buncha scratch tickets and hit it big
Title: finding a job
Post by: Kezay on April 07, 2009, 07:01:43 am
Any job fairs taking place in your area?  Check them out, not all of them are so much about higher positions and whatnot but your lack of experience could be a problem.  Or try a "season" position at a store that should be seeing increasing business now and over the next few months.  Home Depot, Rec Warehouse type establishments, anything having to do with outside activities and things of that sort.  Though if you would prefer something more like your Wal Mart gig, you could always try those warehouse retailers like Sam's Club or Cosco or something.
Title: finding a job
Post by: mud on April 09, 2009, 01:40:11 am
You can try doing some online affiliate marketing stuff as you're looking for a job (sell things for other people for a cut)... or meet more people, one of them is bound to be a hiring manager somewhere or know how you can get your foot into the door. Good luck! :)
Title: finding a job
Post by: YourHero on April 09, 2009, 03:20:14 am
dude. if you already have experience teaching music, just keep trying to get more students. this is probably the best job you could possibly have in highschool. just focus on ways to get students and keep them coming back instead of trying to get some shitty fast food job where you'll get paid like 2 cents for every 800 coffees you serve or something.

Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 09, 2009, 03:25:29 am
im in college!!! im gonna try to teach again, though. $20-30 per half hour isn't too bad ;)
Title: finding a job
Post by: Farren on April 09, 2009, 03:35:09 am
holy fuck you you charge too much thats why you aren't getting students
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 09, 2009, 03:36:14 am
you're dumb.
Title: finding a job
Post by: ase on April 09, 2009, 03:49:45 am
My guitar teacher charged $18/halfhour and he's been playing for like 40 years
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 09, 2009, 03:54:27 am
that's ridiculous. $20 per half hour is absolutely nothing. most guitar teachers with any experience at all charge $50/60 per half hour.
Title: finding a job
Post by: ase on April 09, 2009, 03:58:20 am
holy fuck i cannot believe that. i guess it must be a virginia thing. He used to charge $15/half hour til like 2006. Also my sister does piano lessons at a local music lessons place, and guitar is $20/half hour there.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 09, 2009, 04:04:09 am
a virginia thing? most people who have bachelors in music regularly charge $100 per half hour. the closer you are to a large city the more expensive it is, typically. the reason they charge less at music teaching businesses is because they have like 40-50 students, btw.
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 09, 2009, 04:07:32 am
yeah well you know if there's anywhere you want to be charging a lot of money for a completely unnecessary luxury it's lynchburg virginia.  i hear you've got a roaring economy down there; cash flowin like cristal
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 09, 2009, 04:08:28 am
lower my prices??  ya kidding me??  i gotta beat customers away with a stick
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 09, 2009, 04:09:41 am
$20 is a bargain btw. it's $35 per lesson at lynchburg music center. i used to charge $15 if they came to my house and $25 if i had to drive to theirs.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 09, 2009, 04:10:32 am
and the shitty liberty music students charge like $30-50. im undercuttin prices,,, capitalism rules!!! drown out the competition!!
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 09, 2009, 04:10:59 am
hows that workin out for ya heh heeeeh
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 09, 2009, 04:11:43 am
btw it doesnt matter if you think its less than the other places charge if kids' parents are still going to be like "what the fuck?  no i'm not paying that much for lessons; buy a goddamn book"
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 09, 2009, 04:11:56 am
im sippin cristal while doin coke off $20s, bitch
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 09, 2009, 04:13:54 am
the problem with that joke is that most of it was opulent and then you just have $20 in there like these are really high-class things to do coke off of

virginia.....worlds apart
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 09, 2009, 04:15:23 am
i got $20 on the mind...


Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 09, 2009, 04:25:58 am
ahaha he did it poorly.  it works irl, trust me *grins, has multiple gold teeth*
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 09, 2009, 04:26:49 am
appylin to sears. keep ya fingers crossed
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on April 11, 2009, 11:52:42 pm
shit, if i was really good at guitar i'd just charge like 5 bucks for a half hour and just fill up my evenings jamming in front of a buncha noobs who can't even memorize a fuckin' scale
Title: finding a job
Post by: YourHero on April 12, 2009, 01:28:51 am
appylin to sears. keep ya fingers crossed

what the... you'd rather work at sears for like 8 bucks per hour than teach guitar at like... 10 bucks a lesson / 20 bucks an hour???
Title: finding a job
Post by: esiann on April 12, 2009, 01:52:33 am
you could be making like... 40*20... like $800/week!

when you give music lessons you don't have that many students usually, a regular job probably pays more and it's steady
Title: finding a job
Post by: YourHero on April 12, 2009, 02:56:36 am
yeah, but say he works at sears at 8.50/hour, 40 hours a week. that's 340 per week. now let's say his shifts are 8 hours long. that's 5 shifts per day. now if he takes the bus to get there and back, it'd take 2.75 each way, so 10 x 2.75 is $27.5 on the commute. now maybe he drives instead and gas only costs 1.70 to get there and back and an average of 36 cents per trip on average repairs. that adds to $2.06 if he drives so $20.60/week. now since we don't know which one he'll take, let's round between the two. that means. $24.05 per week on transport. now assume he hits a small woodland creature once every 3 weeks and has to pay for clean up, that's $25/3 = $8.33 so in total $32.38. let's say he gets a discount on the clothes at sears and buys rnough shirts to provide 2.5 rags per week in the long run, that is 1.2 more rags than he would accumulate if he were teaching guitar. in addition, he would improve his guitaring abilities 2.6% more than he would playing air guitar to the elevator music at sears. however. his soul would slowly be sucked from working for a large company and he would feel 17 times less significant than he would teaching guitar. to make up for this lack of spirits, he would have to spend 1.3 hours a week volunteering at the local soup kitchen. this would in turn increase the risk of an unknown elbow infection, raising medical bills for subsequent years by $5.30 annually. on the other hand, teaching guitar aroudn unexperienced musicians raises the chances of a freak guitar string fatality. this could increase the cost of life insurance by $2.50. now if he plans to go into a career that requires sales, he might be further ahead if he works at sears. in this case, he could find a job closer to home requiring him to walk 5.2 miles less on average per day. this will lead to 0.07 - 0.1 gram of dirt collected by his nostrils during the walk (depending on location). this leads to a high chance of deafening snoring. in this case, hearing will be weakened. walking will in turn become more difficult and guitar playing nearly inpossible. however, without the ability to play guitar, he will be more inclined to take up a new hobby to benefit those with similar disabilities. in the end, it's really up to what he values: world peace or tuna sandwiches.
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 12, 2009, 03:13:12 am
wow
Title: finding a job
Post by: Bled on April 12, 2009, 03:21:22 am
If you have limited experience the best thing you can do is look for a job where the employers actually prefer that you don't know dick so they can teach you their way of doing things.  This applies to everything from operating a cash register to working in a call center.

I have been in the same boat for a few months.  I wasn't working a "real" job, but I did manage to keep myself afloat by doing freelance web design.  Now I'm about to start work for a hosting/design company that's gonna yield decent pay, 50+ hours per week and ballin' benefits.  I'm actually pretty lucky considering I filled out applications for everything from DELIVERY TRUCK DRIVER to WEB DESIGN TECH SUPPORT. 

Just keep pluggin' away and you'll eventually find something.  Good luck!
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on April 12, 2009, 09:56:08 am
gotdamn yourhero
Title: finding a job
Post by: Bonehead on April 12, 2009, 11:05:57 am
I wouldn't wanna work at sears anymore after reading that and I hope you agree, Bareback. Guitar lessons it is.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Vellfire on April 12, 2009, 12:57:53 pm
what the... you'd rather work at sears for like 8 bucks per hour than teach guitar at like... 10 bucks a lesson / 20 bucks an hour???

if he's getting zero lessons then sears still pays more, duh
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 17, 2009, 12:22:07 am
bump i got an interview monday at inservice america usa. a christian telemarketing company. prolly gonna be workin weekends
Title: finding a job
Post by: headphonics on April 17, 2009, 12:24:15 am
loooool
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on April 17, 2009, 12:29:47 am
niiiice
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 17, 2009, 12:34:39 am
sigh panda....
Title: finding a job
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on April 17, 2009, 12:39:47 am
yeah, but say he works at sears at 8.50/hour, 40 hours a week. that's 340 per week. now let's say his shifts are 8 hours long. that's 5 shifts per day. now if he takes the bus to get there and back, it'd take 2.75 each way, so 10 x 2.75 is $27.5 on the commute. now maybe he drives instead and gas only costs 1.70 to get there and back and an average of 36 cents per trip on average repairs. that adds to $2.06 if he drives so $20.60/week. now since we don't know which one he'll take, let's round between the two. that means. $24.05 per week on transport. now assume he hits a small woodland creature once every 3 weeks and has to pay for clean up, that's $25/3 = $8.33 so in total $32.38. let's say he gets a discount on the clothes at sears and buys rnough shirts to provide 2.5 rags per week in the long run, that is 1.2 more rags than he would accumulate if he were teaching guitar. in addition, he would improve his guitaring abilities 2.6% more than he would playing air guitar to the elevator music at sears. however. his soul would slowly be sucked from working for a large company and he would feel 17 times less significant than he would teaching guitar. to make up for this lack of spirits, he would have to spend 1.3 hours a week volunteering at the local soup kitchen. this would in turn increase the risk of an unknown elbow infection, raising medical bills for subsequent years by $5.30 annually. on the other hand, teaching guitar aroudn unexperienced musicians raises the chances of a freak guitar string fatality. this could increase the cost of life insurance by $2.50. now if he plans to go into a career that requires sales, he might be further ahead if he works at sears. in this case, he could find a job closer to home requiring him to walk 5.2 miles less on average per day. this will lead to 0.07 - 0.1 gram of dirt collected by his nostrils during the walk (depending on location). this leads to a high chance of deafening snoring. in this case, hearing will be weakened. walking will in turn become more difficult and guitar playing nearly inpossible. however, without the ability to play guitar, he will be more inclined to take up a new hobby to benefit those with similar disabilities. in the end, it's really up to what he values: world peace or tuna sandwiches.

you completely left out taxes. money from sears is gonna get taxed too.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 17, 2009, 01:00:07 am
ive always wanted to solicit people with a lil tinge of christianity

my dream job...
Title: finding a job
Post by: Farren on April 17, 2009, 01:19:55 am
ahahahahaha

so you've got to telemarket god or what
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 17, 2009, 01:21:18 am
idk. i know during the 2008 elections they did robocalls and phonebanking for like Mike Huckabee n shit
Title: finding a job
Post by: ATARI on April 17, 2009, 01:35:35 am
dont mind me im just spreading the good news of jesus christ
Title: finding a job
Post by: big ass skelly on April 17, 2009, 08:35:32 am
Haha you're a telemissionary
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 17, 2009, 12:28:57 pm
this job is prolly (definitely) gonna blow, but i'm excited.

C.R.E.A.M. bitches
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 20, 2009, 07:18:14 pm
holy shit. okay, so from what i gathered while i was there right now they're: selling bibles, telemarketing for the local christian radio station, and doing this thing for JOEL OSTEEN where people CALL IN AND YOU PRAY WITH THEM. if i get the pray thing i want some GWers to call me while i'm at work so we can pray

other than it being REALLY FUCKIN HOT in the break room it didnt' seem too bad. at least i get to sit at a computer
Title: finding a job
Post by: Farren on April 20, 2009, 07:22:42 pm
I guess they don't care that thats an affront to Christianity because you don't believe in their god? did they even ask you when you started if you were religious?

gimme the number and I'll call acting like a really strung out addict or something.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 20, 2009, 07:24:22 pm
notyet, i'm sure thats coming in the actual interview though
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 20, 2009, 07:28:55 pm
in the break room they had an enormous poster that said "DEBUNKING THE DAVINCI CODE"
Title: finding a job
Post by: Brad on April 23, 2009, 04:03:29 am
Since I've been out of school (again).. I've been looking for a job nonstop. Finally got one, I have to see her in person tomorrow. I pretty much have it in the bag though, she knows my mom and said she needed people.

and btw

I'd be working at The Superstore - in the garden section..   :welp:


Now I can finally buy a SUPER NINTENDO. Fuck yeah.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Kaempfer on April 23, 2009, 04:13:30 am
Please update us letting us know if you got prayer duty

That might be the worst job possible over a phone!
Title: finding a job
Post by: Evangel on April 23, 2009, 04:58:28 am
holy shit. okay, so from what i gathered while i was there right now they're: selling bibles, telemarketing for the local christian radio station, and doing this thing for JOEL OSTEEN where people CALL IN AND YOU PRAY WITH THEM. if i get the pray thing i want some GWers to call me while i'm at work so we can pray

other than it being REALLY FUCKIN HOT in the break room it didnt' seem too bad. at least i get to sit at a computer

oh my god, you're going to hell.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Farren on April 23, 2009, 05:08:48 am
that incarnation of god cannot possibly exist if it lets some stupid assholes telemarket it

Edit: so the hell doesn't either
Title: finding a job
Post by: YourHero on April 23, 2009, 06:50:18 am
we need a prayer thread. let's grow as a community.
grow towards God.
Title: finding a job
Post by: big ass skelly on April 24, 2009, 04:54:58 pm
:important: http://www.dokimos.org/ajff/
Title: finding a job
Post by: Artis Leon Ivey Jr on April 24, 2009, 04:56:16 pm
dont let them know you're not super christian btw.

i mean this seems obvious but by that i mean BE super christian etc.

then anarchy from the inside heh.
Title: finding a job
Post by: Ryan on April 24, 2009, 05:15:53 pm
i didnt get hired anyway. i missed the ONE CALL they gave me which was like two hours after i took the test. i called them back but they said theyd 'get back to me' and they never did. ic alled them back again the next day and they said the position had been filled
Title: finding a job
Post by: Farren on April 24, 2009, 06:22:40 pm
because they saw the blackness within your soul
Title: finding a job
Post by: Barack Obama on April 24, 2009, 07:13:21 pm
Yea you shoulda mentioned that you were born again on your resume