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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: VinceP on April 05, 2009, 06:09:54 pm
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It came out in the US today. Anybody got this thing?
I think it's a complete waste of money myself. At least for now. The removal of the GBA slot is just an atrocity. And it's way too overpriced.
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I would have considered it if it weren't for the removal of the GBA slot. Sorry, but what the fuck was nintendo thinking?
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Yeah, pretty much agree with y'all.
Well, I was kind of interested to hear about a possible Virtual Console for Gameboy games, off the SD card, but I have a supercard anyway so I can just do that myself. I'm not paying £150 for that.
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If there were some sort of promotional deal where you could trade in your DS/Lite for a DSi I'd get one, but having a Lite I'd rather not waste my money buying one.
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I still have the original DS. The last game I bought for it was Star Wars: Lethal Alliance, but the controls were so awful that I never got past the second boss battle.
I don't understand why Nintendo won't let DS and DS Lite users have the online capabilities of the DSi. There's no reason for that. It would just take a software upgrade.
Also, you can't use Wii points in the DSi store, or DSi points in the Wii store (as far as I can tell). Why would they make two separate systems for buying games online?
I get that Nintendo wants people to buy their new consoles, but do they really have to completely neglect the people who got their consoles when they first came out?
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It can apparently brick flashcards.
That's enough info for me.
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the only way i would have bought one of these is if i sold my current ds and got one of the phoenix wright ones with the blue badger on them
otherwise idk i guess i would get one of these after they had been out a while and the price went down a lot but even then only if the dsi titles were worth it or my ds broke
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i want my r4 to work and with constant software updates, that will fuck me over... so no thanks.
plus it's not worth buying a whole new handheld console for a DS with a matte finish and a SHIT camera. plus it's missing it's GBA slot.
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man i really want to buy a worse version of a piece of shit.
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Not saying DS is a piece of shit... but when your best game is Pokemon... You're a piece of shit!
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This came out in the UK on Friday and I've had mine since then. It's a pretty good piece of equipment. Over in the UK you can get it half price when you trade in your DS Lite. Even though the screen is only .25 of an inch bigger it looks as though it's huge compared to the DS lite. There is no way I could go back to my DS Lite now. The sound has improved and the sd card slot is a good idea and the added camera is fun too. You can take pictures of people and distort them which is cool. You guys shouldn't judge it until you've actully had one for a bit.
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The main thing I'm concerned about is value. Are the additional features worth the extra money? I already have a DS, how will a DSi change anything besides having crappy cameras and probably a worse d-pad and sound (compare to original DS)? The only reason I can think of owning this is for the DSi-only games which don't even look that great.
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you can be a cool trend whore who values style over substance (which is pretty lol as DS has no substance as it is!!)
I'm ok with playing way-below average quality games a I can take photos of me and my friends at the latest nickelback concert!!!1111
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The main thing I'm concerned about is value. Are the additional features worth the extra money? I already have a DS, how will a DSi change anything besides having crappy cameras and probably a worse d-pad and sound (compare to original DS)? The only reason I can think of owning this is for the DSi-only games which don't even look that great.
yeah, i feel my camera phone, high quality headphones and r4 already trump what the DSi offers.
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I'm with kaworu on this heap of junk!! I mean I'm getting some fun out of my DS recently cause I bought a flash cart and can play all the games illegally buteven doing that it's a stretch to find any worth playing. I don't understand why anyone with a DS would buy a piece of hardware practically identical to the one they own except with a good feature removed and some shitty ones in its place
I guess it's good for people who don't have a DS but why buy a DS it has no software. Unless you're a little girl who wants to play all the nintendogs in which case :)
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Not saying DS is a piece of shit... but when your best game is Pokemon... You're a piece of shit!
phoenix wright hotel dusk professor layton and retro game challenge q.e.d.
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im gonna be honest, there are some pieces of gold in the DS catalogue (GTA, phoenix wright, The World Ends With You, Castlevania, chrono trigger), but the rest is really saturated in casual gamer imagine girlbands nintendogs cooking mama shit.
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Has Nintendo yet made a piece of software that utilizes both the Wii and the DS? It seemed like they were going to do something with that, but I haven't heard anything.
Also, why the fuck did the DS have to have such limited wi-fi capabilities? I still haven't had the fucking thing connected to the Internet. Not that it matters anyway, since I don't own any online games... but I might have bought some games with wi-fi capabilities if it would have worked.
It just doesn't make any sense why Nintendo wouldn't continue appealing to people who bought the original DS. I'd still be buying games if the thing didn't feel like such a worthless piece of shit, adding to their profits.
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remote play from DS to Wii (as a controller) would have been BRILLIANT.
"Hey guys, i only have one wiimote for brawl, sorry guys!"
"Don't worry, we each have a DS!"
would have been so good.......
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The only reason I can think of owning this is for the DSi-only games which don't even look that great.
Don't look great? I don't even think any have been anounced yet. If any have i've heard nothing about them. Even if one or two have been announced I kinda think it's abit lame to judge the whole future DSi games on a couple of titles which you haven't played or know much about.
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Even if one or two have been announced I kinda think it's abit lame to judge the whole future DSi games on a couple of titles which you haven't played or know much about.
bear in mind they're still DS games, so they will have comply with working on the DS too.
edit: whoa, wait. dsi only?! wtf. brb for looking up.
edit: just looked it up, i think nintendo meant downloadable-only games. not ones in cartridges. my point above still stands for cartridges.
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Thank heavens GTA Chinatown wars wasn't DSi only. I'm sure Huang would have something amusing and sarcastic to say about this pretty pointless upgrade to the DS.
I couldn't give a bollocks about the GBA slot really, I was never rich enough to afford a handheld when I was younger so I haven't any GBA games knocking around. It's good for my supercard SD but that could always be replaced with a top-slot flashcart.
The best thing about this is that the DS lite will come down in price and I will be able to get one of those when my fatty croaks. I do like to play my DS in bed instead of reading I do brainage etc, but the screen brightness and viewing angle of the original are terrible. The lite does not feel as comfy in my brutish manny hands though since it's more stylish than ergonomic. To credit the original: it may look like a brick but it feels just right.
My fat DS is still chugging along from all those years ago. Still charges fine even though the user guide says the battery croaks at 500 charges.
You know what I would like to see on the DS? Abe's Oddysee.
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more like nintendo d$i
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edit: just looked it up, i think nintendo meant downloadable-only games. not ones in cartridges. my point above still stands for cartridges.
There willl be cartridge DSi only games, but not for a while as the userbase is too small.
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more like nintendo d$i
Not that fucking shit again.
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You know, the functions of the DSi could drasticly improve gameplay. You could take photos and import them into the game as backgrounds, objects, effects whatever. Import your or somebody elses face on a player character. Or maybe you'll be able to play that "Panty Shot" Game you've always wanted to play. Objective to shoot and catalouge asa many unique real life panty shots as possible! It'll prob be called "pantie shot detective" (tm) and you'll be able to solve crimes using photos you have taken as clues!
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i already have a DS lite, so i don't expect to buy this in the near future.
The better specs (133mhz processor and 16mb ram (??)) sound nice, as maybe now cool shit like SNES emulation and all that could be done properly...
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You know, the functions of the DSi could drasticly improve gameplay. You could take photos and import them into the game as backgrounds, objects, effects whatever. Import your or somebody elses face on a player character. Or maybe you'll be able to play that "Panty Shot" Game you've always wanted to play. Objective to shoot and catalouge asa many unique real life panty shots as possible! It'll prob be called "pantie shot detective" (tm) and you'll be able to solve crimes using photos you have taken as clues!
if some game makers actually utilized the dsi for augmented reality shit i'd buy one immediately
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You know, the functions of the DSi could drasticly improve gameplay. You could take photos and import them into the game as backgrounds, objects, effects whatever. Import your or somebody elses face on a player character.
i was thinking it could help a game making thing quite a bit, especially with SD card support. Otherwise I feel everything you listed is a cheap gimmick.
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Eh, I don't really care about the GBA slot. I don't play any gba games anymore really so its not a major loss, nor do I play any game that has an add on that requires the GBA slot. It looks decent, probably will buy it since my DS Phat is slowly withering away(half the time it doesn't even read the game cart :O). DLC sounds cool and rumor has it that there will be a game boy virtual console on its way, which sounds pretty sweet.
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Will probably get one over the summer, the color I want is thankfully one of the first ones out (black) but I'd rather buy a couple of other games with any available cash I have for gaming that are just fine for the DSLite. Besides, the online store will likely have a lot more stuff up by then anyway and any issues that come up (like the feeble hinge and tinted screen issues the DSLite had when it first launched) will hopefully be ironed out by then.
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The better specs (133mhz processor and 16mb ram (??)) sound nice, as maybe now cool shit like SNES emulation and all that could be done properly...
You can get a slot 2 device for any DS which will expand the ram, allowing you to emulate SNES games better (although its still pretty dodgy) and play homebrew stuff thats more demanding, like Opera DS and Quake 2 DS.
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I'm not a fan of the NDS, so I'm definitely not going to purchase the NDSi. The only reason why I would buy it is so I could play around with its camera, but I all ready own a digital camera so...yeah. I'm happy with my PSP.
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You know, the functions of the DSi could drasticly improve gameplay. You could take photos and import them into the game as backgrounds, objects, effects whatever. Import your or somebody elses face on a player character. Or maybe you'll be able to play that "Panty Shot" Game you've always wanted to play. Objective to shoot and catalouge asa many unique real life panty shots as possible! It'll prob be called "pantie shot detective" (tm) and you'll be able to solve crimes using photos you have taken as clues!
Maybe the idea Rare originally had for Perfect Dark could be realized here... obviously without Rare though. :P Can't really think of much in game use for snapping shots though that aren't a novelty or anything. Only idea I could have is like, an Eternal Darkness like game where the camera will (unbeknownst to you) take pics and when your sanity hits a certain point, hit you with a screamer depicting your own face. :P Though that would be a problem since when playing the DS it isn't all that normal to hold it in a position where the camera is directly aimed at your face.
Would be nice to have games now where you can use music stored on the SD Card for the in game soundtrack. Trackmania would have been awesome for that.
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I rarely if ever play my DS, which is a shame, because I wanted to finish those Final Fantasies and GTA. But remove the GBA slot and crap, wee! No thanks chumps.
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i was thinking it could help a game making thing quite a bit, especially with SD card support. Otherwise I feel everything you listed is a cheap gimmick.
Maybe enterbrain could do rpg maker ds, it's released it on just about every other format. As for the things I've listed being a gimmick, that would depend on how they are implemented. It's just stuff I thought of in 2 mins. Game companys will no doubt do better.
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Maybe the idea Rare originally had for Perfect Dark could be realized here... obviously without Rare though. :P Can't really think of much in game use for snapping shots though that aren't a novelty or anything. Only idea I could have is like, an Eternal Darkness like game where the camera will (unbeknownst to you) take pics and when your sanity hits a certain point, hit you with a screamer depicting your own face. :P Though that would be a problem since when playing the DS it isn't all that normal to hold it in a position where the camera is directly aimed at your face.
Would be nice to have games now where you can use music stored on the SD Card for the in game soundtrack. Trackmania would have been awesome for that.
There was a cellphone version of Fatal Frame where it would superimpose ghosts onto photos as part of the gameplay. That's the only game I could think of where taking photos could be used in a non-ridiculous way.
BUT, like I said before, the camera could be used for augmented reality things, either homebrew or (less likely) professional. There are people working on apps like these for the iPhone and for some smartphones, so I don't see why this wouldn't work with the DSi. It's just a matter of someone using the technology for a fun purpose suited to the system. It would be very interesting to see.
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You wanna know what the DSi camera is good for here it is.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47654.html
I have zero interest in this DSi thing.
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I'm content with my Fat DS and my DS Lite. If I needed a camera I'd use the one in my phone, or a real dedicated one.
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I'm content with my Fat DS and my DS Lite. If I needed a camera I'd use the one in my phone, or a real dedicated one.
You could always sell your Phat DS on eBay and part exchange your Lite for the DSi. You'd prob end up paying less than £50. I mean do you really need 2 DSs anyway?
You wanna know what the DSi camera is good for here it is.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47654.html
I have zero interest in this DSi thing.
That looks interesting....
It's out soon too!
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You could always sell your Phat DS on eBay and part exchange your Lite for the DSi. You'd prob end up paying less than £50. I mean do you really need 2 DSs anyway?
That looks interesting....
It's out soon too!
Yea, but as people said, no GBA slot. I have a rumble pack and the opera browser, so that just screws me over.
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You wanna know what the DSi camera is good for here it is.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47654.html
I have zero interest in this DSi thing.
That looks horrendous and unresponsive
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Yea, but as people said, no GBA slot. I have a rumble pack and the opera browser, so that just screws me over.
this (iirc) has a built in browser, and i don't really know why anyone needs a rumble pack
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So they're coming out with titles specific to the dsi? That's lame. This'll definitely be a flop. Hopefully, it'll drive down the price of the DS lite though (lent my original DS to a friend of mine, who cracked my top screen).
the only way i would have bought one of these is if i sold my current ds and got one of the phoenix wright ones with the blue badger on them
Blue...b...badger..?
No.
Not even for blue badger.
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this (iirc) has a built in browser, and i don't really know why anyone needs a rumble pack
DSi doesn't have a built in browser (at least mine doesn't) but you can download one free from nintendos DSi shop. And yeah rumble packs are kinda pointless.
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DSi doesn't have a built in browser (at least mine doesn't) but you can download one free from nintendos DSi shop.
i meant to say one that doesn't require extra hardware but whatever this still means you don't need a gba slot
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You wanna know what the DSi camera is good for here it is.
http://www.gametrailers.com/player/47654.html
I have zero interest in this DSi thing.
So basically more casual shovelware? Sounds just like what we all need more of! Who needs good, fun games to play, when we can pay to make funny faces in front of a camera!???
Anyway, I've only got a very old, fat DS, and I see no good reason to buy a new DS Lite or DSi. I am particularly avoiding the DSi because apparently flash cards don't work on it, and I have never bought a single DS game ever, and have no intention of doing so anytime soon.
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flash cards don't work on it, and I have never bought a single DS game ever, and have no intention of doing so anytime soon.
Acekard 2i
http://www.acekard.com/product.php?type=ak2i
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The Game Boy Camera was a worthless peripheral, why would they want to repeat that mistake?
idk maybe because
a) this can actually take pictures you can identify
b) it can be used for in-game things
c) it's not something you buy separately
d) are you seriously comparing this to the game boy camera?
e) what is wrong with you
f) do you use the same argument when phones have cameras???
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There was a cellphone version of Fatal Frame where it would superimpose ghosts onto photos as part of the gameplay. That's the only game I could think of where taking photos could be used in a non-ridiculous way.
BUT, like I said before, the camera could be used for augmented reality things, either homebrew or (less likely) professional. There are people working on apps like these for the iPhone and for some smartphones, so I don't see why this wouldn't work with the DSi. It's just a matter of someone using the technology for a fun purpose suited to the system. It would be very interesting to see.
Meh, in due time I guess. After all, the DSi is still only an extension on the DSLite so it's not as if its library of games is going to fall to the wayside but I would like to see some new ideas come up as a result of some of these extra features.
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I'm sure the new ideas will come. I'd like to se a grafitti game where, as an extra mode, you could take photos of real life graf and add it to your black book. You would be given tasks based on the pictures you've taken.
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Well, it does indeed print money. Really, recession my arse.
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/blogs/london-calling/909183773/26839110/dsi-storms-uk-retail.html
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Well, it does indeed print money. Really, recession my arse.
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/blogs/london-calling/909183773/26839110/dsi-storms-uk-retail.html
This worsens my opinion of British that little bit more.
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This worsens my opinion of British that little bit more.
CONFUSED'S EMAIL ENDS IN A .CO.UK TOO. HOLY SHIT.
you limeys and your nintendo suck-uppery. fo' shame.
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I'm not actually british. I am eddish. As in I belong to the republic of ed. Therefore I am not covered by your sweeping generalisations about the British and I don't feel remotely annoyed.
In Edistan there have been zero sales of DSi, we are a pretty cool country.
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You, sir, are automatic win.
I've got to say though that this is still a bad move for nintendo. They should've made a fricking peripheral for their camera instead. I was pissed that I couldn't even play my old GB games on the DS. But now that they've taken my slot away, wtf am I supposed to do with my Advance Wars and GoldenSun carts? At any rate, they should've kept this in the concepting ideas of the newer/better console a few years down the road (preferably a long time, seeing as how their original game boy lasted at least 10).
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hell, a camera going in the GBA slot would have been amazing, because then when im not using the camera I STILL HAVE A GBA SLOT
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They should've made a fricking peripheral for their camera instead.
Why? If you wanted a DSi, you're buying one, and it's just a nice a built-in feature on top of the other additional things that are either worth or not worth your money depending on how bad you want DSiware or whether or not you had a DS already or what have you. But buying a separate camera JUST for your DS? Do you not see why this is a thousand times less useful? If your phone didn't have a camera, you wouldn't go buy some addon camera for your phone. You'd buy an actual camera. Digital cameras the same quality as the DSi's cameras are cheap nowadays, there are no reasons whatsoever to buy one for the DS. It's just a nice thing if it's already there.
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You, sir, are automatic win.
I've got to say though that this is still a bad move for nintendo. They should've made a fricking peripheral for their camera instead. I was pissed that I couldn't even play my old GB games on the DS. But now that they've taken my slot away, wtf am I supposed to do with my Advance Wars and GoldenSun carts? At any rate, they should've kept this in the concepting ideas of the newer/better console a few years down the road (preferably a long time, seeing as how their original game boy lasted at least 10).
Obviously, you can still play Advanced Wars and Golden Sun... Provided you buy them (at full price) and download them using this new WiiWare thingy.
But yeah, I would have definately preffered this camera just be an addon. Then again, I guess we should have expected this. The only thing Nintendo are innovative at doing is making you buy the same thing, again and again.
$50 says that within 1-2 years there will be a new DSi. It will be slightly smaller, or a new colour, fix a few minor issues and maybe have a few very minor upgrades. You'll still get charged full price for it however.
Also, Velfarre. There is a fairly good reason for wanting the camera as an addon. Two actually.
1. I don't want to have to buy yet another god dam D$ just to use the camera. The camera has about the same quality as one of those cheap $5 webcams, but I have to pay like... $200 to actually buy the camera? Obviously, I may never want, or need the camera, but if in the future a game is released that uses the camera, that I want to play, then I need the camera, which means buying a DSi, not just a camera addon.
2. The camera addon decreases the battery life of the DSi. It is always on, even if it is not being used. (Also, the bigger screen on the DSi also decreases battery life). Again, having it as an addon that I can simply unplug when not using would have made this issue a moot point. But you know, it is only a portable console, it's not like people actually use it unless it is connected to a powersupply.
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Also, Velfarre. There is a fairly good reason for wanting the camera as an addon. Two actually.
1. I don't want to have to buy yet another god dam D$ just to use the camera. The camera has about the same quality as one of those cheap $5 webcams, but I have to pay like... $200 to actually buy the camera? Obviously, I may never want, or need the camera, but if in the future a game is released that uses the camera, that I want to play, then I need the camera, which means buying a DSi, not just a camera addon.
2. The camera addon decreases the battery life of the DSi. It is always on, even if it is not being used. (Also, the bigger screen on the DSi also decreases battery life). Again, having it as an addon that I can simply unplug when not using would have made this issue a moot point. But you know, it is only a portable console, it's not like people actually use it unless it is connected to a powersupply.
1) Those guys were saying they wanted it as an addon for the GBA slot, thus on a regular DS. Therefore, what you're saying isn't the same argument I was replying to. However, games released that use the camera will be DSi only, so you're buying a DSi anyway. An addon is not likely to work since the games using the camera rely on the exact positioning of the camera (dead center) where it is on the DSi.
2) I'm not sure about it always being on (did you read this somewhere? I'd like to see it), but in that case it would be much easier just to change the system to save power by not leaving the camera on instead of making some dumb addon that won't work properly.
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1) Those guys were saying they wanted it as an addon for the GBA slot, thus on a regular DS. Therefore, what you're saying isn't the same argument I was replying to. However, games released that use the camera will be DSi only, so you're buying a DSi anyway. An addon is not likely to work since the games using the camera rely on the exact positioning of the camera (dead center) where it is on the DSi.
2) I'm not sure about it always being on (did you read this somewhere? I'd like to see it), but in that case it would be much easier just to change the system to save power by not leaving the camera on instead of making some dumb addon that won't work properly.
1. I want the camera as an addon for the GBA slot on a regular DS. It would have been easier and cheaper to do, and I wouldn't have to buy a new DS if there was any games using the camera that I did want to play (I already own a perfectly fine, working DS, why should I have to buy a new one just to play some games?).
Also, the positioning of the camera at the moment seems like a pointless issue to mention. If you take a look, in the video in this topic that features a game using the camera, it has instruction on where the DSi should be placed. I doubt it matters where the camera on the DS is placed, you'll always have to position or hold the DS in the correct way to make ideal use of the camera. Though, if the camera was an addon, they could have stuck it on hinges and made it adjustable
2. I can't remember where I read it, on some site giving the DSi a review. But the point still remains, this issue could have been easily avoided if the camera was an addon, not an inbuilt feature. And for all we know, the camera might not turn off because of some hardware related issue, not software issue (haha, there is your major upgrade for the next version of the DSi, the camera can now be turned off!).
If you ask me, the camera would have worked better as an addon for a variety of reasons. It is quiet obvious the only reason it is not an addon is because Nintendo want you to buy your 3rd DS.
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Everyone needs tot stop making lists
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2. The camera addon decreases the battery life of the DSi. It is always on, even if it is not being used.
I highly doubt this. Bigger screens and a more powerful processor are probably the main culprits, but this sounds like a load of shit!
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That and the fact the DSi has less mAh in it's battery than the DS lite (850 compared to 1000).
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I want the camera as an addon for the GBA slot on a regular DS. It would have been easier and cheaper to do, and I wouldn't have to buy a new DS if there was any games using the camera that I did want to play (I already own a perfectly fine, working DS, why should I have to buy a new one just to play some games?).
I own a perfectly fine Playstation, why did I have to buy a PS2 for the handful of games I wanted to play? I guarantee only a handful of games are going to use the camera, and they aren't going to be worth it. If they are worth so much to you that you HAVE to have them and would buy a detachable camera to play them, I doubt you'd be so against selling your current DS and paying the difference. In fact, you would probably end up paying the same price you would if Nintendo sold it separately. A regular DS plus the camera would almost DEFINITELY cost as much as the DSi. I'm not just making excuses for Nintendo, I don't consider the DSi or any of its games so far to be worth the purchase at all, but if you think the games are worth buying a separate, overly expensive camera for (thank god....I can play a WarioWare game that doesn't even function properly as shown in the video), then there's no reason to think Nintendo is ripping you off as-is. You'd be ripped off by buying the camera, you might as well just stop fussing about it and be ripped off the regular way like everyone else.
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A regular DS plus the camera would almost DEFINITELY cost as much as the DSi.
But if you already have a DS (like 99% of the population) then a regular DS plus a DSi would cost a lot more than just a shitty little thing to plug in your bottom of the DS and a normal DS.
I own a perfectly fine Playstation, why did I have to buy a PS2 for the handful of games I wanted to play?
Because you can't buy a new processor, RAM and graphics card to put in your PS1...
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But if you already have a DS (like 99% of the population) then a regular DS plus a DSi would cost a lot more than just a shitty little thing to plug in your bottom of the DS and a normal DS.
No it wouldn't, this is a really DUMB assumption. DS (Lite) prices on ebay are roughly $130, and you could possibly sell them for more. The DSi is $170 on Amazon. Consider the fact that the Game Boy Camera was $50 (iirc) when it came out and an Xbox Live camera is around $32, and you'll realize that you're spending roughly the same amount. You just want it to be bulkier and more ridiculous, and you want an extra thing to carry around in your pocket. Also,
Because you can't buy a new processor, RAM and graphics card to put in your PS1...
You can't add any of these things to the DS either. Oh wait, but they just added a camera, it's not like they added a bigger screen (which can affect games btw), an SD slot, a different CPU and RAM, or other things that change how the system works or anything right? It's just the camera.
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No it wouldn't, this is a really DUMB assumption. DS (Lite) prices on ebay are roughly $130, and you could possibly sell them for more. The DSi is $170 on Amazon. Consider the fact that the Game Boy Camera was $50 (iirc) when it came out and an Xbox Live camera is around $32, and you'll realize that you're spending roughly the same amount. You just want it to be bulkier and more ridiculous, and you want an extra thing to carry around in your pocket.
It's also a dumb assumption to assume that everyone is willing to sell their DS' on eBay. Plus I dont know how things are doing over in the US but on ebay (UK) a DS lite costs about £80, as opposed to the £145 DSi off of Amazon. That's a £65 difference. Hell, you only need £15 and you can buy TWO DS lites for £160.
You can't add any of these things to the DS either. Oh wait, but they just added a camera, it's not like they added a bigger screen (which can affect games btw), an SD slot, a different CPU and RAM, or other things that change how the system works or anything right? It's just the camera.
But did they really NEED to add all of those things? We don't truly know yet, I'll admit, but they better make damn use of it all then.
edit: yeah, i cant be arsed with this anymore. in my eyes it's a shitty idea, which is too expensive for the time being and just... pointless. im done here.
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No it wouldn't, this is a really DUMB assumption. DS (Lite) prices on ebay are roughly $130, and you could possibly sell them for more. The DSi is $170 on Amazon. Consider the fact that the Game Boy Camera was $50 (iirc) when it came out and an Xbox Live camera is around $32, and you'll realize that you're spending roughly the same amount. You just want it to be bulkier and more ridiculous, and you want an extra thing to carry around in your pocket. Also,
You can't add any of these things to the DS either. Oh wait, but they just added a camera, it's not like they added a bigger screen (which can affect games btw), an SD slot, a different CPU and RAM, or other things that change how the system works or anything right? It's just the camera.
they're really that expensive now? Wow, I did pretty well with getting my DSlite from ebay for 70 dollars a year ago
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But did they really NEED to add all of those things? We don't truly know yet, I'll admit, but they better make damn use of it all then.
If they didn't NEED to add a camera, then you don't NEED to play the games that use it. That's all I can really say about that!
Also eBay prices are horribly inconsistent but it was the only real example I could get since there's no universal price for selling used things. I've won several one cent auctions on ebay, but that doesn't mean those people couldn't have gotten more from them.
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I own a perfectly fine Playstation, why did I have to buy a PS2 for the handful of games I wanted to play? I guarantee only a handful of games are going to use the camera, and they aren't going to be worth it. If they are worth so much to you that you HAVE to have them and would buy a detachable camera to play them, I doubt you'd be so against selling your current DS and paying the difference. In fact, you would probably end up paying the same price you would if Nintendo sold it separately. A regular DS plus the camera would almost DEFINITELY cost as much as the DSi. I'm not just making excuses for Nintendo, I don't consider the DSi or any of its games so far to be worth the purchase at all, but if you think the games are worth buying a separate, overly expensive camera for (thank god....I can play a WarioWare game that doesn't even function properly as shown in the video), then there's no reason to think Nintendo is ripping you off as-is. You'd be ripped off by buying the camera, you might as well just stop fussing about it and be ripped off the regular way like everyone else.
But the PS2 was at the time brand new software and hardware, not just slightly upgraded versions of what the PS1 has (lets not forget the years of research and development the PS2 had, and the hundreds of millions of dollars that cost). The DSi is basically a DS with slightly better hardware and a camera.
It'd be more accurate to compare a PS2 slim to an older PS2 (there is a very minor improvement to hardware).
Also, I fail to see how a DS + camera addon would cost as much as a new DSi. Unless I did not already own a DS, even then, I'd guess a DS and camera addon would still be cheaper than a new DSi.
I can buy a brand new DS Lite for £70. Lets assume that a camera addon would cost £40-50, that is still only £110-120, a new DSi costs £140-150.
If I want a DSi now, I have already paid £90 for my DS, and can trade it in and get half the price knocked off a DSi, so that is £90 for the original DS, and £70 for the DSi, a total of £160.
If I attempted to sell my DS on ebay, I'd get maybe £30-40 for it, which would result in me paying a total of (90-40)+140, or £190, which is even more.
No matter how you look at it, it is more expensive to buy a DSi that it would be to buy a DS and camera addon. You are crazy, or really bad at math if you cannot see this!
BUUUUTTTT... I also cannot realistically sell or trade in my current DS either. If I did, I would be left with 11 useless GBA games. And then have to splash out EVEN more cash to buy a GBA to play them. (Apparently, it will be possible to buy them with this DSWare or whatever it is called, but Nintendo can get fucked if they think I am going to buy a game I already fucking own)
The point is. IF in the future a game that is DSi only (for whatever reason) is released and I want it, I am forced to spend a lot of money on a console that I basically already own. And I cannot spend or trade in my old DS because then I cannot play some games and have to spend even more money so I can play those too.
People in my situation are fucked either way basically. Because to get the best of both the DS and DSi I have to spend a whole ton of money, which wouldn't and shouldn't be necessary if they simply made a camera addon.
Nintendo are good at one thing, forcing people to buy stuff they already own!
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The new games using the camera very likely use the upgraded hardware in order to process the camera information. Do you not see why this won't work for an addon? Sorry, but at this point, all I can say to this
The point is. IF in the future a game that is DSi only (for whatever reason) is released and I want it, I am forced to spend a lot of money on a console that I basically already own.
is you're out of luck. Nintendo is releasing games for an updated console. You either get it to get the new games or you don't, it's not up to you what hardware they use or how they implement these games! It's not the same thing that you already own, it's the slightly better model. It's like cars, there are cars that differ slightly between models, but you can't insist that because they both get you somewhere and look a lot the same that you deserve the same perks, especially when one is newer. If you want the games that use the camera, you have to get the system with the camera. If you want the games from the DSishop, you have to get the system that supports it. You're just fussy with Nintendo because it's not worth the money to you to replace your DS. That's your problem, not Nintendo's. It doesn't matter if they didn't make a huge jump between the technologies, a lot of electronics work this way. You can't argue that it's not fair that you have to buy a new computer sometimes to play the latest games. That's how electronics work, and insisting that Nintendo goes out of its way to not take advantage of their updated hardware in order to keep you in the loop is ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't buy Nintendo products instead of complaining about them.
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The new games using the camera very likely use the upgraded hardware in order to process the camera information. Do you not see why this won't work for an addon? Sorry, but at this point, all I can say to this
is you're out of luck. Nintendo is releasing games for an updated console. You either get it to get the new games or you don't, it's not up to you what hardware they use or how they implement these games! It's not the same thing that you already own, it's the slightly better model. It's like cars, there are cars that differ slightly between models, but you can't insist that because they both get you somewhere and look a lot the same that you deserve the same perks, especially when one is newer. If you want the games that use the camera, you have to get the system with the camera. If you want the games from the DSishop, you have to get the system that supports it. You're just fussy with Nintendo because it's not worth the money to you to replace your DS. That's your problem, not Nintendo's. It doesn't matter if they didn't make a huge jump between the technologies, a lot of electronics work this way. You can't argue that it's not fair that you have to buy a new computer sometimes to play the latest games. That's how electronics work, and insisting that Nintendo goes out of its way to not take advantage of their updated hardware in order to keep you in the loop is ridiculous. If you don't like it, don't buy Nintendo products instead of complaining about them.
Bu... But... I thought the whole point of a console was that they were a single platform that was the same for everyone, thus guaranteeing universal support for any games released on said console for all owners of said console.
If I am having to buy upgrades for my console every year... What is the fucking point? Why not just... Use a PC, which pretty much everyone on the planet owns. They are have much more uses, cheaper (if you know about them) and from a developers point of view, have a much larger market, and if I am having to upgrade my consoles every year or two, PCs are superior to consoles in everyway possible for gaming. Why even bother with consoles anymore? All these video game developers must be crazy for even developing games on a console!
Oh wait... I am pretty sure Nintendo are the only console developer ever to release "upgrades" for their consoles, and then try and force people into buying these upgrades (except you cannot actually just buy the upgrade, you have to buy a new console).
Mannn... Nintendo and Nintendrones really are a fucking cancer on the gaming industry, hopefully Microsoft and Sony don't start making upgrades for their consoles and then trying to force people into buying these upgrades (in the form of a new console!).
Someone think of a witty name to call Nintendo that somehow relates to their money making tactics (kind of like how people call Microsoft "Micro$oft").
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Someone think of a witty name to call Nintendo that somehow relates to their money making tactics (kind of like how people call Microsoft "Micro$oft").
Nintne$ndo
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The NDS specs are not significantly different from the DSi specs.
Here are your DS specs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS
Here are your DSi specs.
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/10/02/nintendo-dsi-vs-psp-3000-vs-ipod-touch-v1-0/
Practically the same ram and processor. The screen size is probably the only caveat for porting DSi games to the DS. That's right, you're paying $150 bucks for an extra quarter of an inch. I kin haz moar pixzels!
This was a bad marketing move. First, it was bad timing -- coincided with a shitty economic downturn, which means less people are inclined to buy it. They would've made *alot* more money milking the DS and then releasing (a better version of) the DSi after a rebound. Two, many people are already content with their DS, so they won't buy a new system. I have yet to compare the sales figures, but I guarantee that the DS sales were far higher than the DSi sales. Three, most people recognize that the add-ons the the DSi are just bullshit peripherals, which actually acts as a disincentive to buy the product. Four, there is actually a market for those peripherals, which gets in the way of their sales (E.G. the SD-GBA cart I mentioned). All in all, they're touting a DS clone with a lower battery life, of which the only saving grace is a camera and a networking system that will probably end up trafficking cp.
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Actually Juris, in Japan, the DSL has taken a dip in light of the DSi, according to Media Create the DSi should be more than 600,000+ over the DSL for the year come this week's report. No idea what is going on in other territories (seeing as it just released elsewhere) but at least in Europe the DSi has managed to beat out all other gaming platforms for the week and not too long ago GAME noted that their DSi preorders eclipsed that of the DSL's; it's at least having a stronger start. It was also noted prior to launch that DSi preorders were more than double the DSL according to Gamestop. Not sure how things will be in the long term and we probably won't be able to see how DSi fares outside of Japan for at least another month. (DSi likely won't be reflected in the upcoming NPD report which covers March data despite it extending a bit into April)
EDIT: Apparently, there will be word that DSi/Lite sales won't be separated in NPD. Wouldn't be surprised if those particulars were leaked somehow anyway or if Nintendo comes out and gives numbers, but otherwise...
In any case, the DSi isn't so much a replacement in a sense of being a DS2 though more of an extension on the original product. In time, unless Nintendo slowly kills off the DSL (In Europe, they're killing off two of the colors because those SKUs are underperforming compared to the others, not sure if that spells anything at the moment) I think the DSL may fare better on price alone, but I think you're making too much of the idea that there isn't a market for the DSi. It's essentially the same platform but if you really want all the bells and whistles it's there for you, if you don't, the DSLite is still there as well, either way you'll still be able to get your kicks on the next Pokemon or Ace Attorney game or whatever. It's just taht with the DSi's enhancements the experience can be taken further if you care to go that route. Those who are content with the original DSL can stay content with it, however there are those that might want to upgrade from that to the next thing. Heck, I know people who still have the DS"Phat" when they could have since gotten a DSL quite some time ago..
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The NDS specs are not significantly different from the DSi specs.
It has FOUR TIMES the amount of RAM, do you really think that can't possibly affect games to where they wouldn't work on the original DS?
Look guys, I'm not disagreeing with you that this isn't enough of an upgrade to be worth buying it--I probably won't unless something good for it comes out that is worth buying it a few years down the line--so why would you complain about them releasing DSi specific games and not making a camera for the old DSi? They plan on doing it like the gameboy-gameboy color upgrade: Some games are for the original DS and won't be different on the DSi, some will be an in-between that just has special features on the DSi (like several gameboy color games had), and some are DSi-only (remember gameboy color-only games?). It's the same exact thing. The only difference is that buying this system doesn't make sense to me and so I won't do it, whereas you guys all seem like you deserve to have compatibility between two systems that have very different capabilities. There's just no reason for this. Why not just use a PC? I don't know, why not? The DS has been out for five years, it's about the right time for some sort of upgrade, even if it's not as much as you want. It's just the same as the switch from the gameboy to gameboy color, if you don't like the way Nintendo handles its hardware, then stop buying their products instead of insisting on them changing them.
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The NDS specs are not significantly different from the DSi specs.
Here are your DS specs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_DS
Here are your DSi specs.
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/10/02/nintendo-dsi-vs-psp-3000-vs-ipod-touch-v1-0/
Practically the same ram and processor. The screen size is probably the only caveat for porting DSi games to the DS. That's right, you're paying $150 bucks for an extra quarter of an inch. I kin haz moar pixzels!
No. Joystiq can duck sick. They need to do more research. The DSi has a main processor with a clock speed of 133mhz compared to DS Lite's 67 mhz. This handles 3D graphics coupled with the 4 times ram it'll make a huge difference.
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yo juris maybe you missed that the article was from OCTOBER and had this little footnote with the processor speeds
2: Architecture of the DS Lite and, as noted, subject to change pending official release notes
also yeah i don't see why people are acting like this is an every couple of years thing. I mean the DS Lite came out just 3 years ago, BUT there was no compatibility difference between it and the DS. if you bought a ds lite already owning a ds that's 100% your fault! a 5 year support life is pretty long for a handheld, especially when they haven't stopped making games for it yet.
EDIT: and for the record i don't own any ds, and don't plan to.
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I feel like the DS Lite is what made everyone forget how old the DS is. tbh I'm really surprised that it's as old as it is, it doesn't feel that old to me either!
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it may be 5 years old but it has like 1 year's worth of software
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So yeah I just got a DSi *necropost*
There's lots of things I could say about it, but I really only care for two things:
The material quality is so fucking shit. The DS Lite is really smooth and feels nice (even if you get enough fingerprints on it to clone yourself). The DSi is horrible and grainy and just feels shockingly cheap. It is really really horrible to hold.
Also the power button is under the D-pad. Under the fucking D-pad. Think about this for a second, or better yet just grab hold of your DS and start playing it. Your thumb is resting on the power button unless you hold it at a funny angle. I'm going to end up resetting mid game all the time.
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You still have the receipt right?
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:)
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So yeah I just got a DSi *necropost*
Also the power button is under the D-pad. Under the fucking D-pad. Think about this for a second, or better yet just grab hold of your DS and start playing it. Your thumb is resting on the power button unless you hold it at a funny angle. I'm going to end up resetting mid game all the time.
How big are your freakin thumbs? Also the button isn't that easy to press I've had mine for a while now and never reset mid game. The casing isn't graet tho. It's gonna be easy to scratch. Guess I'll have to be careful.
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I think it depends on what angle you hold your thumbs. If you held them straight up I could see how you might hit that button, but if you hold them at an angle with the thumbs pointing towards the center, I don't think you'd hit it.
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seriously wtf sarevok do you really think that's a thing.
you must just have sausage fingers because no one else is complaining about this anywhere!
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yeah, it's probably just me holding it weirdly. the horrible casing isn't help that much.