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Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on April 08, 2009, 10:14:01 am
So we have this three legged cat at our house and it limps around the place. It's missing a hing leg, and I thought it would be a good idea to strap a weight to its remaining leg so it was centered, but my flatmates said it was pointless because the cat already uses its tail as a counterweight and changing it would throw it off.

I'm not convinced, the cat seems to have a lot of trouble and it's tail surely doesn't weigh enough to offset the imbalance. Also if you press your hand against the missing leg while it's walking it will walk normally pretty much instantly. I can't attach a CONTRAPTION though because it does still need to run and jump etc. The only downside I can see to a weight is that it adds extra weight to its single leg, but maybe this would be countered by the stress taken off of it. Another downside is if this is pointless and doesn't work.

I know marmot is an ASTROPHYSICIST but maybe some of you peons can help too. Let's YaHoO answers up in here.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Carrion Crow on April 08, 2009, 11:08:53 am
Attach a bouyancy balloon to the area where the leg once was.

Relocate the cat to a planet where the gravitational coefficient is lower.

Test that the cat is really disabled by revealing food by surprise and testing its speed compared to a normal cat. If the cat travels at a similar speed notify the council because it is obviously claiming benefits it is not entitled to.

Transplant a leg from another cat or similar animal.

Remove the remaining three legs and augment the cat with piezoelectric nanofibres to generate power stored in a lithium ion battery around the collar. Attach electrodes to the cat's head to analyse brain waves and synchronise detection with a pair of 12 V wheelchair motors mounted on the cat's underside.

Throw it into the street as a large car is passing and claim on their insurance to buy a new, better cat with 4 legs.

Attach an artificial leg that monitors nerve traffic around the top of the leg, powered by C02 released by solenoids, watch your cat defy those blue tits and sparrows as they are ousted from the trees in your garden.

Become your cat's best friend. Go wherever it goes and learn to communicate. If your cat needs a hand getting up the stairs, pick the little fella up and give him a lift to the top.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: big ass skelly on April 08, 2009, 11:46:17 am
I had a dog once who had a crippled hind leg where he got run over by a car as a pup before I got him

he ran comically. He was the funniest dog in town. Why would you want to take that away from your cat?
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Grunthor on April 08, 2009, 12:53:32 pm
Quote from: Mentalfloss.com
A cat named George Bailey was born with only stumps for hind legs. He got around by dragging his rear end. Veterinarians and engineers from North Carolina State University tackled the problem in a new way. Instead of attaching a limb over a stump, they attached an artificial limb to his bones. The hope was that the existing bone tissue would grow around the prosthetic, a process called osseointegration. Using a cat scan of the cat, they created a model of George’s pelvis and leg bones and designed a lower leg and foot. In 2005, the team implanted a titanium post into George’s stump, to which the prosthetic leg could be attached. George was soon running and jumping on his new leg. Animals that normally walk on four legs usually get along just fine with three. George took great advantage of his new mobility, and was so rambunctious that in two months, he broke the titanium nails that were holding his leg in place. The prosthetic limb had to be removed.

Animal Prosthetics (http://www.mentalfloss.com/blogs/archives/14968)


Honestly though, there's not really much you can do for him.  My cat is missing his front left leg and gets along just fine without it.  It took him a few months to adjust, but now he's out running, jumping, and hunting like nothing happened. 
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Vellfire on April 08, 2009, 12:55:55 pm
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Using a cat scan of the cat

teehee
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Evangel on April 08, 2009, 03:14:14 pm
Attach a bouyancy balloon to the area where the leg once was.

Relocate the cat to a planet where the gravitational coefficient is lower.

Test that the cat is really disabled by revealing food by surprise and testing its speed compared to a normal cat. If the cat travels at a similar speed notify the council because it is obviously claiming benefits it is not entitled to.

Transplant a leg from another cat or similar animal.

Remove the remaining three legs and augment the cat with piezoelectric nanofibres to generate power stored in a lithium ion battery around the collar. Attach electrodes to the cat's head to analyse brain waves and synchronise detection with a pair of 12 V wheelchair motors mounted on the cat's underside.

Throw it into the street as a large car is passing and claim on their insurance to buy a new, better cat with 4 legs.

Attach an artificial leg that monitors nerve traffic around the top of the leg, powered by C02 released by solenoids, watch your cat defy those blue tits and sparrows as they are ousted from the trees in your garden.

Become your cat's best friend. Go wherever it goes and learn to communicate. If your cat needs a hand getting up the stairs, pick the little fella up and give him a lift to the top.

(http://pwbeat.publishersweekly.com/blog/wp-content/2007/04/We3-5sm.jpg)
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Barack Obama on April 08, 2009, 03:23:31 pm
There's nothing you can really do. Your roommates are partially correct that the tail is used as a counterbalance, but that's used to prevent overrotation when its falling.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: crone_lover720 on April 08, 2009, 04:02:41 pm
we just talked about this in physics today, strange. however it is impossible to solve this problem because we do not know the mass of the cat or the coefficient of friction between the cat and the floor.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on April 09, 2009, 01:20:45 am
it's a standard cat with standard cat organs etcetera. there should be a standard centre surely, like in humans it's just below the belly button (iirc) and a bit higher in men than in women.
right now it's hopping along fine but it's like a person with one leg hopping along, it might be easier if they hold a weight on the side with the leg to balance them back out.
but maybe there aren't any extra stresses from being unbalanced like this and it's fine? this is strapping a weight to a cat it's not a huge investment and if it'll make the cats life easier than i'll do it.

will it make the cats life easier or not? this is what we're discussing.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: tuxedo marx on April 09, 2009, 01:24:02 am
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Using a cat scan of the cat
teehee
i am so happy :)

additional information on the subject of cats: your cat should soon learn to adjust its balance to counter-act the missing leg :welp:
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on April 09, 2009, 01:42:47 am
it's adjusted fine it's been missing it's leg for maybe a year now, it can still get around etc FINE but i'm wondering if it could be better, really easily.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: tuxedo marx on April 09, 2009, 01:46:55 am
well in that case robot legs are your best bet
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Boulvae on April 09, 2009, 02:38:26 am
Leaving it alone is your best bet, strapping on a weight would make it's life harder. It's much lighter then us and it's very agile not to mention it stands on four legs so it's center of gravity is different from ours. You can't really compare a bipedal and a quadrapedal in the same situation. Not to mention the weight would screw it's ability to jump and land. I know of a bunch of three legged cats that can move around just fine, heack all the outdoor ones I know of can still catch birds.

It's only a problem if the "leg" is infected.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: YourHero on April 09, 2009, 03:12:07 am
what!? hahah, what kind of weight do you plan on using? like canned soup? and how are you planning on attaching it? i think this sounds like a good idea for humour purposes alone.

it probably walks more easily when you press on the missing leg area because it's still shifting it's weight aroudn the way it's used to. are you sure it's not leaning on your hand when you press it there instead of leaning on what would be a leg?
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on April 09, 2009, 03:40:17 am
If we are thinking of convoluted mechanical ways to solve this problem, a weight would be the worst place to start.

The problem isn't balance, It's just that half the cat has to be completely suspended during half of the cat's stride (which would explain the wobble. It happens as the cat lifts up the hind leg that remains). A weight would only exacerbate the problem. I'd suggest a small wheel connected to a flexible metal rod on the side of the cat that lacks sufficient leverage. Sturdy enough to provide support during a stride, flexible enough to not be noticed by the cat.

Your local engineer should be able to assist you in procuring a design and the requisite materials.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on April 09, 2009, 04:18:56 am
it probably walks more easily when you press on the missing leg area because it's still shifting it's weight aroudn the way it's used to. are you sure it's not leaning on your hand when you press it there instead of leaning on what would be a leg?

enough weight to counter balance a third of it's body is like three $2 coins. and yeah it's leaning against my hand, i don't see your differentiation, though iirc her stub moves so idk

this is what i'm proposing
(http://j.photos.cx/morons-d5a.GIF)

right now it's a 4 legged chair with only 3 legs, a weight should change her into a 3 legged chair

what are the problems with this? would it be better for it?

Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: crone_lover720 on April 09, 2009, 04:19:20 am
wow these people really don't know the first fuck about physics. really, it's simple logic. study the world around you! read a book or chuck it across the room, either way you're doing physics. physics is the foundation of all sciences. physics can solve all problems. (if it can't be solved by physics, chances are it's not a real problem!).

(http://pub.gamingw.net/23836/cat_land_feet-182x538.jpg)(http://pub.gamingw.net/23836/cat-trans.gif)
as you can see in these diagrams, a cat uses angular momentum to rotate through space. a cat instinctively understands how to alter its distribution of weight, so that it can (ONLY in terms of its inertial frame of reference!) fly. For the purposes of this experiment only, let it be assumed that Iexp, 1*a is equal to the torque of the cat's tail m2,tail on the cat's center of mass M = (m1+m2).

I can't correctly calculate the cat's C of M without more data, but if I'd have to make an educated guess, I would first have to split the cat into two axes: the side axis (looking at the side of the cat) and the top axis (looking at the cat from above or below). on the side axis, the C of M should be located slightly above the middle of the whole cat sans tail. this, of course, depends on the proportion of the cat's legs to its body - but if it really is a "standard cat" as you claim, my suggested C of Mside should be fairly accurate. on the top plane, the C of M should be located near the middle again, around the cat's navel.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Marmot on April 09, 2009, 04:28:32 am
wow these people really don't know the first fuck about physics. really, it's simple logic. study the world around you! read a book or chuck it across the room, either way you're doing physics. physics is the foundation of all sciences. physics can solve all problems. (if it can't be solved by physics, chances are it's not a real problem!).

(http://pub.gamingw.net/23836/cat_land_feet-182x538.jpg)(http://pub.gamingw.net/23836/cat-trans.gif)
as you can see in these diagrams, a cat uses angular momentum to rotate through space. a cat instinctively understands how to alter its distribution of weight, so that it can (ONLY in terms of its inertial frame of reference!) fly. For the purposes of this experiment only, let it be assumed that Iexp, 1*a is equal to the torque of the cat's tail m2,tail on the cat's center of mass M = (m1+m2).

I can't correctly calculate the cat's C of M without more data, but if I'd have to make an educated guess, I would first have to split the cat into two axes: the side axis (looking at the side of the cat) and the top axis (looking at the cat from above or below). on the side axis, the C of M should be located slightly above the middle of the whole cat sans tail. this, of course, depends on the proportion of the cat's legs to its body - but if it really is a "standard cat" as you claim, my suggested C of Mside should be fairly accurate. on the top plane, the C of M should be located near the middle again, around the cat's navel.

no no no noooooooooo

are you fuckinjg retarded? go back to college.

in order to approximate the cm you have to think the cat as a thin spherical shell:

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/cnx.org/content/m15108/latest/gp20.gif)

now according to gauss, inside the cat the gravitational field is proportional to the radial distance from the center of mass to the particle. like this:

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/c/e/5cea48c60acee244ee9bbce1bb37777f.png)

so a mouse inside the tummy of a cat just when it goes to the CM is going to experience a gravitational field of zero.

you fucking idiot
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Marmot on April 09, 2009, 04:32:17 am
just cuz you throw in your fancy diagrams does not mean its science. arent you an architecture student anyway? go back and make origami or whatever garbage you folks do
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: crone_lover720 on April 09, 2009, 04:47:02 am
marmot you fucking idiot! stupid! ha ha, I'm just clowning around. no, I'm actually glad you're always there to bring me back down to earth! aaaaaa you dope.

wow these people really don't know the first fuck about physics. really, it's simple logic. study the world around you! read a book or chuck it across the room, either way you're doing physics. physics is the foundation of all sciences. physics can solve all problems. (if it can't be solved by physics, chances are it's not a real problem!).

(http://pub.gamingw.net/23836/cat_land_feet-182x538.jpg)(http://pub.gamingw.net/23836/cat-trans.gif)
as you can see in these diagrams, a cat uses angular momentum to rotate through space. a cat instinctively understands how to alter its distribution of weight, so that it can (ONLY in terms of its inertial frame of reference!) fly. For the purposes of this experiment only, let it be assumed that Iexp, 1*a is equal to the torque of the cat's tail m2,tail on the cat's center of mass M = (m1+m2).

I can't correctly calculate the cat's C of M without more data, but if I'd have to make an educated guess, I would first have to split the cat into two axes: the side axis (looking at the side of the cat) and the top axis (looking at the cat from above or below). on the side axis, the C of M should be located slightly above the middle of the whole cat sans tail. this, of course, depends on the proportion of the cat's legs to its body - but if it really is a "standard cat" as you claim, my suggested C of Mside should be fairly accurate. on the top plane, the C of M should be located near the middle again, around the cat's navel.
no no no noooooooooo

are you fuckinjg retarded? go back to college.

in order to approximate the cm you have to think the cat as a thin spherical shell:

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/cnx.org/content/m15108/latest/gp20.gif)

now according to gauss, inside the cat the gravitational field is proportional to the radial distance from the center of mass to the particle. like this:

(https://legacy.gamingw.net/etc/upload.wikimedia.org/math/5/c/e/5cea48c60acee244ee9bbce1bb37777f.png)

so a mouse inside the tummy of a cat just when it goes to the CM is going to experience a gravitational field of zero.

you fucking idiot
interesting, I had thought of the shell method as well. unfortunately I am one step ahead of you again old chum!let's take another look at figure 1, shall we? study the image closely, for if you are too brief you may miss what is actually accuring:
(http://pub.gamingw.net/23836/cat_land_feet-182x538.jpg)
this "mouse" you speak of shows up in reality as well, in the form of a small pod the cat instinctively ejects from its feet. this gives the cat's body sufficient speed and angular momentum to overcome both the forces of gravity g and air pressure to effectively somersault into an upright position mid-air.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: ase on April 09, 2009, 05:01:42 am
maybe your gay mexican cat resembles a thin spherical shell, but mine is more like a parallel plate capacitor of infinite length
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on April 09, 2009, 05:38:34 am
wow these people really don't know the first fuck about physics. really, it's simple logic. study the world around you! read a book or chuck it across the room, either way you're doing physics. physics is the foundation of all sciences. physics can solve all problems. (if it can't be solved by physics, chances are it's not a real problem!).

i can't keep up with your mood swings (pregnancy) but just in case i thought your first post was a joke, since you asked the coefficient of friction on the floor and the coefficient of friction is u. i thought it was good but i wanted to curb the discussion back to my dillema

also the picture of the cat turning helped since objects rotate around their centre of mass right?
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: hero_bash on April 09, 2009, 06:05:59 am
Anybody else for euthanasia?

EDIT:
No, anyway if I have to choose, I'd say try it and see the results. Easy.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Warlin on April 09, 2009, 06:08:37 am
Ahahahahahaha. This is classic.
Gaming World - We have topics about cat physics.  :fogetlaugh:

Like, I know this is a serious topic, but that doesn't make it any less hilarious.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: hero_bash on April 09, 2009, 06:13:24 am
At least we got something to talk about.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Ragnar on April 09, 2009, 06:15:46 am
(http://pub.gamingw.net/24155/difficultyswingingcat_1.JPG)

this is fairly appropriate right now
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: hero_bash on April 09, 2009, 08:12:33 am
Another suggestion would be to put wheels on the lost leg part I've seen it done. However that sidables him of his ither skill..


On a more serious note, I believe the center of gravity is moving when it walks? So I think would only perfect the balance when he's actually standing, it might hurt his other actions more.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: EvilDemonCreature on April 09, 2009, 10:22:28 pm
I wouldn't reccomend taking engineering advice from physicists over the internet.

This cat is most likely a personal thing to you, therefore you should look around your family or local community to consult an engineer you can really trust for all of your cat-mechanical needs. Contact your local Veternarian aswell (better yet if you have a Veternary Technician as he specializes in technology), so you can arrange a meeting between the three of you, if you are to come up with the most effective design for your cat-balancing needs.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Draak on April 09, 2009, 10:34:01 pm
(http://pub.gamingw.net/24155/difficultyswingingcat_1.JPG)

this is fairly appropriate right now

(http://pub.gamingw.net/25338/hahahaha.jpg)

Now, it's appropriate.

EDIT (For Topic-sake):

If you attempt to change the cat's abilities now, after it's learned to use 3 legs, you'll only further hamper his development and reflexes.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: YourHero on April 10, 2009, 01:37:26 am
enough weight to counter balance a third of it's body is like three $2 coins. and yeah it's leaning against my hand, i don't see your differentiation, though iirc her stub moves

if it's helped by leaning on your hand, putting a weight no it would only make it worse... it needs to lean on something, not be pulled further down...  :fogetmmh:
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: hero_bash on April 10, 2009, 01:52:48 am
..that means mechanical would be the best bet.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Bonehead on April 10, 2009, 02:00:14 am
also the picture of the cat turning helped since objects rotate around their centre of mass right?
This works perfectly for planets so cats shouldn't be that different. If you put a weight on you cat, it will probably land on the side and break its
neck if thrown out of a window. The dilemma here is thus = make the cat walk in a normal fashion BUT not be able to throw it up in the air or just
give up and let it ADAPT to its disability.

I think a peg-would do though. Not only can you say your cat is a pirate (if you poke out one of the eyes as well), but you could also use it
as fuel for a fireplace if you need it once hell breaks loose on earth and the ice age takes over.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on April 10, 2009, 02:16:37 am
your post quality is really consistent bonehead.

an artificial leg would be the dumbest idea, it'd get caught on everything and it'd be a lot harder to implement

if it's helped by leaning on your hand, putting a weight no it would only make it worse... it needs to lean on something, not be pulled further down...  :fogetmmh:


on the OTHER side. do you know how balance works?
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Bonehead on April 10, 2009, 02:28:59 am
Touché.

Though bear in mind that there is no such thing as a PERFECT THING so you just have to pick what you feel is best for your situation.
A peg-leg would be easy to implement if you are strong (just grind a stick into your cats body) or if you used ducktape.

If you put ducktape on a fourlegged cat's back, it starts walking funny. Try doing that with yours and please record it because I don't think
that this has ever been documented before.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Boulvae on April 10, 2009, 03:45:46 am
It has, stupid people do it and take it to the vet because something is wrong with it (I wonder why) or they're too scared to remove the tape. Needless to say you'll need to knock out the cat if you want to remove the tape. Or get a couple people to restrain then get stitches for any serious scratches later.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: NightBlade on April 11, 2009, 05:47:23 pm

This is probably relevant...

Probably.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: cowardknower on April 11, 2009, 07:55:00 pm
>>eat cat
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: YourHero on April 12, 2009, 01:58:21 am

an artificial leg would be the dumbest idea


but... strapping a twoonie-   

..​


i think your dealing with a more serious issue abotu the centre of gravity here.

without a 4th leg, the centre of gravity will actually change the cat's trajectory considerably.

(http://pub.gamingw.net/37565/3legspin.png)

Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Sredni Vashtar on April 12, 2009, 05:05:53 am
center of gravity has nothing to do with it. It's because the fourth leg isn't there at all to support the cat's weight on that side of it's body when it moves its rear leg.

the weight would be best on the outside of the remaining rear leg, and slightly behind it.

but honestly this isn't the best idea to help out the cat. You could offset the extra load in terms of balance, but you would be adding extra dead weight to the cat, which would fuck it up even more because it has to support this extra weight with three legs instead of four. Unless you find some way to shift the existing weight of the cat, you won't help it at all. A cheese grater and saran wrap might come in handy in this application.

Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Sredni Vashtar on April 12, 2009, 05:32:25 am
basically what we can assume is that the cat's center of mass doesn't include the four legs, because no leg is supporting the weight of another leg. The center of mass therefore is the same now as it was before she lost a leg.

the center of mass exerts a moment upon each leg. If we can assume a general shape like so:

*'''*
|   |     
|   |
*...*      *'s are legs

and that the cat is made of a homogeneous material, the center of mass on the coronal plane (the plane on which the diagram is laid out) should be exactly in the center. The reaction forces of the legs (assumed to be of uniform length and girth) would then be exactly the same. The mass of the cat, times the acceleration due to gravity, times the radial distance from a leg, divided by the number of legs gives the moment on each leg (the calculation is somewhat simplified here because we're assuming an even distribution of weight, legs arranged in a perfect rectangle, and a CoM being in the exact center of the cat). Since the cat as a whole is not rotating, the sum of all the moments acting on one leg is zero. I won't go through the actual calculation since this is on two axes and I don't have paper and shit close by.

when one leg is missing, the reaction force previously exerted by that leg is not present anymore, so the other legs must compensate. Recall that moment force is the mass*gravity*distance. The front legs experience a small increase in load, but the rear leg must compensate for a much larger load than before, due partly to acting as a lone reaction moment for the front legs, and partly because the the missing leg no longer balances a moment.

Since the cat is not moving up or down when standing, the net vertical force must equal zero. The weight of the cat represents a downward force acting on the body, and each leg represents a reaction force pushing against the body. Any weight added must be borne by the legs.

The statics is perfectly clear in my head but without pen and paper it's hard to describe in just words and I never thought I'd end a post with this, but yeah, don't strap weights to the cat. If it was possible to rearrange the weight that was already there, it would be the best thing, aside from adding some apparatus to it to help bear the weight.

Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on April 12, 2009, 07:57:18 am

since it's missing a leg the cat is off balance as the centre of mass is in the same place as it was before, so i could move the centre of mass so it was balanced again. right now i guess it has to use it's muscles to balance at rest and that's the main downside, plus the angle it uses it's leg is probably putting a lot more stress on it's joints. adding a weight would probably be just as bad i suppose
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Sredni Vashtar on April 12, 2009, 08:33:47 am
yeah that would improve its balance at rest but it would

a) totally fuck up its balance while walking, because that weight would mess with the cat's moment of inertia

b) increase the load on each leg, since they have to compensate for the extra weight

so yes we are in agreement i suppose that it's not viable.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Bonehead on April 12, 2009, 09:37:47 am
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If it was possible to rearrange the weight that was already there
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Sredni Vashtar on April 12, 2009, 08:14:31 pm


Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Vellfire on April 13, 2009, 05:05:09 pm
remove the other hind leg, place a centered wheel between the spots where the legs were, balance restored
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: YourHero on April 13, 2009, 06:44:33 pm
youth in asia.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Marge on April 13, 2009, 07:01:58 pm
If it was possible to rearrange the weight that was already there.

If modern medicine can remove a peach from Steel's head no problem can't it move a cat's organs a few cents? Or just remove unnecessary duplicates from the other side. Like, he could do just as well with one kidney and the stomach a bit to the left, right?
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Sredni Vashtar on April 13, 2009, 10:46:44 pm
If modern medicine can remove a peach from Steel's head no problem can't it move a cat's organs a few cents? Or just remove unnecessary duplicates from the other side. Like, he could do just as well with one kidney and the stomach a bit to the left, right?

Yes. Removing a kidney to improve a cat's balance would clearly be preferable than letting the cat gradually adapt to a missing leg.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on April 13, 2009, 11:22:51 pm
If modern medicine can remove a peach from Steel's head no problem can't it move a cat's organs a few cents? Or just remove unnecessary duplicates from the other side. Like, he could do just as well with one kidney and the stomach a bit to the left, right?

this is a stupid idea on so many levels, the first obstacle would be cost. no vet would do this.

but i did take into consideration what you said and i've shaved a third of the cat. it seems to be getting along easier now but it's prickly. i'm surprised i didn't think of this earlier as it's pretty fluffy
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Sredni Vashtar on April 13, 2009, 11:50:08 pm
this is a stupid idea on so many levels, the first obstacle would be cost. no vet would do this.

but i did take into consideration what you said and i've shaved a third of the cat. it seems to be getting along easier now but it's prickly. i'm surprised i didn't think of this earlier as it's pretty fluffy
remember to paste the shaved hair onto other parts of the cat to fix the center of gravity.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Boulvae on April 14, 2009, 03:20:55 am
this is a stupid idea on so many levels, the first obstacle would be cost. no vet would do this.

The first obstacle would actually be the cat dieing shortly or a "long" time after drugging it up to keep it alive for as long as possible. Some vets will do these kinds of things though, since they're are only in it for the money.

Just leave the cat alone to adapt, it's not like your planning on throwing it in the wild or anything.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Frisky SKeleton on April 14, 2009, 04:05:35 am
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? HOW IS THE FIRST OBSTACLE COMPLICATIONS DURING THE OPERATION? ANAESTHETICS ARE ACTUALLY QUITE ADVANCED NOWADAYS AND ARE UNLIKELY TO BE A PRIMARY CONCERN IN THE HYPOTHETICAL
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Sredni Vashtar on April 14, 2009, 06:36:42 am
actually the first obstacle is why th ehell would you bother operating on it in the first place to fixz such a non-issue but

OKAY
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Sredni Vashtar on April 14, 2009, 06:36:57 am
maybe that was the point of the tlopic
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Marge on April 14, 2009, 11:05:21 am
Hey, only trying to help here! Besides, didn't climbtree brag about his mad surgery skills in steel's cancer topic? Or perhaps it was Mark.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Boulvae on April 14, 2009, 11:37:34 am
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU? HOW IS THE FIRST OBSTACLE COMPLICATIONS DURING THE OPERATION? ANAESTHETICS ARE ACTUALLY QUITE ADVANCED NOWADAYS AND ARE UNLIKELY TO BE A PRIMARY CONCERN IN THE HYPOTHETICAL

I mean't after, normally after an operation the life extension isn't very long (for cats, and especially when your doing it for no reason then to correct it's balance).
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Bonehead on April 14, 2009, 12:14:41 pm
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Needless to say you'll need to knock out the cat
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The first obstacle would actually be the cat dieing shortly or a "long" time after drugging it up to keep it alive for as long as possible.
Do you have a cat, Boulvae?

Also, have you thought of attaching a floating object ABOVE the cat, Climbtree? Like a balloon or a kite (I guess kites would be a bad idea if the weather conditions aren't optimal)? I remember when I was very small and barely couldn't walk, it got hell of alot easier once someone lifted me up under my arms so I just nudged the floor. What's your cat's name by the way?
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Boulvae on April 14, 2009, 09:28:55 pm
I have four. I had to remove something worse then tape, my arm was cut up pretty bad.

I know vets at a clinic I was volunteering at and as a general rule of thumb and my experience unless the cat is young (human years), and the operation isn't a heavy one (surgery, that sort of thing) at most with drugs it's life span would increase a couple years but it'd be very, very miserable. I've seen people waste money and surgery's and weeks to months later they're back again for another surgery.

While i'm at it, replace their collars once in a while (three to four years) for both cats and dogs unless you want it to "fuse" to their skin and have a whole shit load of ingrown hairs being seriously infected because you never once replaced their collars.

EDIT: Oh yeah two of the vets would euthanize anything aslong as you pay the bill, and one of them would do practically anything aslong as it's profitable and he wouldn't get sued for it.
Title: centre of gravityin a standard cat
Post by: Farren on April 14, 2009, 11:19:21 pm
its in the ass, stick your finger up there and you'll find it