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General Category => Entertainment and Media => Topic started by: Liquid Ocelot on April 15, 2009, 09:47:33 pm
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http://www.gametrailers.com/player/usermovies/314383.html?playlist=featured
This is from some sort of Japanese demo of the game. From watching it, I can safely say that this is probably going to be a below average game but not too bad of a simple RPG. The battle system looks decent, if a bit uninspired and squenix actually had the courtesy to give the player the ability to see monsters on the field before they fight them, which is good in comparison to other FF games with turned based battle systems(other than twelve, but that one was an awful mess of a game). I am not too crazy about the story as not too many things are original about it. For example, the evil soldiers and futuristic city reminds me of FFVII and FFX(hell, you are even running down a street like you did in the beginning of FFX) while the giant towering golem...thing at the 24 minute mark of the video reminds me of the Giant of Babel from Final Fantasy IV. I am not going to hype one bit for this game, all I can hope is that squenix makes a better game than FFXII.
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the soundtrack sounds like reject Yuki Kajiura tracks
Edit: If they built up this huge atmosphere and all of a sudden the boss was this giant hairy scrotum that might make me respect Square again
Edit: + soundtrack changes to Benny Hill
Also this doesn't look like Final Fantasy VII it looks like someone at Square legitimately liked the new Star Wars movies
Edit: But yeah sometimes I have to remember that Star Wars is like equally big of a thing over here and there's still plenty of people left over to loathe it even though it sells like a million bajillion copies probably lots of japanese are like "ff blows" (I hope)
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Wait I thought general consensus was that twelve was one of the better ones?
Especially because it got rid of the shitty turnbased system.
Maybe I'm just hearing things wrong but I enjoyed it more than say, ff4 which I couldn't really play past the antlion.
EDIT: watched the video now. Jumping looked dumb. Battles are basically the same as twelves but they go to separate screen and appear to have a lot more menus!? animation looked stiff. The battle music sounded like music maybe suited for a trailer or the little preview movie that happens if you dont press start on the main screen for 30 seconds.
Oh well, it happens.
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i have a friend who really loves final fantasy and told me he's gonna get it and camp out in my livingroom until he finishes it.
i watched the trailer and it doesnt seem that bad. it looks a lot less boring than the previous ones, almost like an action-rpg
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EDIT: watched the video now. Jumping looked dumb. Battles are basically the same as twelves but they go to separate screen and appear to have a lot more menus!? animation looked stiff. The battle music sounded like music maybe suited for a trailer or the little preview movie that happens if you dont press start on the main screen for 30 seconds.
Oh well, it happens.
Actually, battles seem to take place in the same field, there's just that quick transition to position the characters on the field. You can only control one character in the demo but apparently the demo is a build from 2008 and the finished version is going to be different but how different, I have no clue. FF13 gets rid of magic points and such and uses time as battle currency for different attacks, magic and so on. You can execute a bunch of smaller attacks or wait until the bar is full enough to execute a bigger one, or then you can just execute one or two commands and not wait until the bar fills till the end. The point is to chain attacks with your party members for bigger bonuses and more damage. I think the battle system seems really cool and fast-paced, I just hope that you can actually control your other characters (at least to some extent) and it's not just some bullshit Square made up.
I watched the videos on IGN and a bit of gameplay video on youtube and I think it looks good. The in-game graphics seem to be better than I thought they would be and the cutscenes don't seem nearly as stiff and unrealistic as in almost all RPG's. I'm a bit disappointed by the battle transition though since I thought the battle would have started right when you run into an enemy but at least the battle transitions are really fast. The music definitely didn't impress me though and I doubt the soundtrack is going to be any special. The whole demo was really linear like FF10 and I really hope the whole game won't be like that. It doesn't have to be as open-ended as FF12 (by jrpg standards) but I want some amount of exploring.
But overall I think FF13 seems promising, probably the only RPG I have really looked forward to since Suikoden 5 or something. I don't have an opinion about the game's story yet though since there's so little we know. I do dig the mix of scifi and fantasy though. And the main characters (assuming they are Lightning and Snow) seem much better than Tidus, Vaan or Zidane so that's a plus.
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Jesus Christ, I'm fucking speechless, I can't believe I watched 20 minutes of this. This looks bad.
I don't know exactly where to start, the game feels so uninspired. As soon as the intro started, I didn't knew if it really was the intro, some sort of compilation or... something else. Like, nothing makes sense, at all. It feels like a bad action movie turned into a RPG. The intro resembles VII's, a lot. Which I don't know if it's good or bad just not in place. I mean in FF7 there was some coherent pattern but here, it's just some random wannabe eye-candy mess.
The music is alright I'm not gonna argue with that, is just that it feels so not Final Fantasy and again, not in place.
As someone said earlier, the battle system looks basically the same as XII with some weird transitions going on. Weird not-random battle/action rpg/traditional turned-based sytem hybrid.
The graphics, like all SE games, are impressive, and so is the animation. Just as I said before, it just feels like some bad action movie or something.
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ugh, the graphics are getting near the uncanny valley and its creepy :<
go back to cartoony graphics woo
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Thsi game looks alright, I'll probably get it, regardless of story and that stuff, I don't play half the games I have for story, I play them for enjoyment. And I guess I'll enjoy this, probably 'cause the battle system is quick, with the bar going up fairly quick.
However, has anyone read osme of the comments below? Someone said that JRPGs have strategy in, lol at that I can make my way through most JRPGs with attack and cure. THen someone said that the guy with his fists constitutes the japanese have a screwed up perception of reality. OKay, so the character's flingng fireballs and lightning bolts is normal whereas a guy using his fists while the others shoot isn't... riiiiiight.
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Gametrailers videos often have comments which rival youtube. The community is retarded but most gaming communities are.
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To be honest, this doesn't look as bad as I expected it to.
I mean yeah, the setting is a bit uninspired, but instead of just screaming STEAMPUNK ANIME!!!(while it kinda does anyway), it also reminds me of American sci-fi cartoon movies. As always, I mostly don't like Square's palette of characters, but eh, I'm sure at least some of them aren't that bad. That niggerblack guy with the afro and guns looks cool, but I bet he's just some temp character used only for the intro of the game. But anyway, it'll never even come close to being as bad as FFX/FFX2. That said, the battle system reminds me more of FFX2 than FF12, and that seems cool to me because I really liked FFX2's, even though the rest was absolute garbage.
I like the music.
So yeah, I don't know what to think. Maybe once this comes out, I could give it a chance, but idk. I feel I'd probably end up letdown, but this is far from being as bad as I thought it'd be. It actually looks kinda decent.
ps: one thing I don't get is why the demo keeps cutting back and forth the two group of people? it seems absolutely random and sudden, like if somebody recorded two parts of the game and decided to intertwine videoclips.
double ps: thank god NO RANDOM ENCOUNTERS
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niggerblack guy
screw you
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is it me or do you also think FF13 (i mean the beginning) has many similarities with other ff games? Let's see : lightning fights with a sort of gunblade, isn't it? and the beginning when she's running on that sort of road looks like FFX's beginning (when tidus runs also on a destroyed road). And finally, there are a few references to FF7 when for example, lightning and her buddy fight a giant scorpion robot, or they appear for the first time in a train... What do you think?
Nice observation from a fan :3
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One thing that impressed me about 12 was how amazing it looked, even on the PS2. Specifically the facial expressions. Some of the cutscenes were really good, with great facial modeling. That's a geeky thing to enjoy, but I did. It's a shame the writing was so limp and dull. I'm curious about FF13 at least insofar as the graphics are concerned. Gat damn though, Square turns out some bad shit.
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ff12 IS actually good - graphics wise considering it's ps2 imo and the battle system is pretty good (too bad they just have to have Vaan as the main character)
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fuck yea IM so hyped for this game FUCK YEA im orderin the demo from japan O_O
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that vid just puts me to sleep so i shut it off after 5 minutes.
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You know regardless of how bad this seems based on the demo I'm not so sure if that means the final product will be bad at all. I mean does anyone remember how much the FFXII demo that came with DQVIII sucked? Yet the final game is one of my most favorite FF games (well gameplay-wise). Not to mention there really hasn't been IMO a bad main series FF (I enjoyed the hell out of FFX at its time but not so much now and I'm not counting the sequels) so I have faith in this game so far. Come to think about it the FFVIII demo that came with Brave Fencer Musashi was pretty bad too (mainly because FFVIII has alot of "unique" features and the only explaination the demo had were static text screens which I doubt anybody read) so I s'pose you could say Square Enix just isn't that good with demos (although the Einhander demo was awesome as hell and if it wasn't for it I probably would have never even considered getting it).
Anyway this demo is coming to the US via the blue-ray version of Advent Children right? Is there any other way to get it cause I really want to play this myself but I have no desire to buy AC.
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ugh, the graphics are getting near the uncanny valley and its creepy :<
wow that term doesn't even come close to applying here.
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Wait I thought general consensus was that twelve was one of the better ones?
Especially because it got rid of the shitty turnbased system.
Maybe I'm just hearing things wrong but I enjoyed it more than say, ff4 which I couldn't really play past the antlion.
The critical reception was good, I just personally didn't like it. The battle system still felt turned based, just now you can run around and some of the elements just felt unfinished. For example, your "quickening" which is a super powerful attack is basically the game's limit breaks, but they take pretty much all of your MP because square didn't add a separate bar for it like in other FF games. It makes many save the quickening for the boss fights, which is in turn a smart idea but it makes some of the actual cool bosses too easy since you do like 999999 damage with one quickening shot(well maybe not THAT much). I will say that the graphics were nice and even though graphics don't make a game, this is really a work of art. The story was another thing that bought this game down, its not that the localization was bad(far from it, I thought it was better than most FF games) but its just the story is just so...boring. The main character, Vaan shouldn't even be the main character as he mostly seems like he is just there for the ride and nothing else while all the other characters seem more involved.
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pretty cool, the animations and game-play remind me of FFX and X-2, lets hope the story is as good as X and not X-2
ahahahaha
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i didn't watch this shit but bort linked me to a couple short youtube videos and i had a hard time watching even those
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1xt2liZMxaU
i mean like, really? this watches like a fucking anime. i'm beyond the point where i can tolerate this kind of stuff and, honestly, beyond the point where i even care enough to try to. the battle system looks alright but it occurred to me while i was watching DUAL FIRING HANDGUNS and SLASH ABOUT W/ KNIVES that this stuff has really begun to wear thin on me. it just looks so ridiculous. i'm not sure i can do it anymore. with that said i actually kind of enjoyed ffxii for the time i played it, even if i sucked at it a lot, and i liked how your character wasn't actually even really the main character at all and found the battle system kind of fun. so yeah maybe like ffxii this will have above-average writing and a battle system that's actually kind of fun/interesting and not hideously dull but still, i don't see myself playing it!! there's something about it that just seems... unappealing. maybe it's that it'll take itself way too seriously with some stupidly epic story i don't care about. idk it hard to put my finger on it, but whatever it is, it's definitely in that trailer. maybe it just reminds me too much of every dumb anime i wish i'd never seen
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wow that term doesn't even come close to applying here.
really? i got kinda creeped out by the girl in the closeup shots
i mean, in the past you could at least say THAT IS RIDICULOUS HAIR but nowadays people do have that hair
but yeah idk different eyes i guess
editnote: after watching the one panda just linked, it should be stressed: not the black guy.
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anime i wish i'd never seen
You know, there is a trick to preventing this from happening in the future: As soon as you're about to watch an anime and you're thinking "alright, time to watch this anime", just don't.
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really?
yeah no one uses it right and now everyone namedrops it but uncanny valley only applies when you can't actually tell, it's just OFF for some reason. ff spirits within sort of had it but really the issue was more "ugh they look fake too" for the most part. it's basically correctly used for robotics but somehow vidcon guys picked it up.
and there's no way that happened with this ff vid unless you are kind of crazy because no one could believe that's real.
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i like how all the black guys in the ffs have guns
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just like real life, duh
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why arent there blackswordsmen huh
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i wondered if i was seeing things btw but really the vid panda posted is kind of racially disgusting. the sixteen year old girls all FLIPS ABOUT WITH SWORDS and hte black guys all GWAAAAH *runs away comically trips and falls* and you're like really guys???
you got it sort of right with Barret and even he was kind of bad but now we're just straight up jigaboo time huh.
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It's not Final Fantasy but Morgan Freeman in that Robin Hood movie.
Damn right was there a blackswordsman and damn right did he kick ass.
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i wondered if i was seeing things btw but really the vid panda posted is kind of racially disgusting. the sixteen year old girls all FLIPS ABOUT WITH SWORDS and hte black guys all GWAAAAH *runs away comically trips and falls* and you're like really guys???
you got it sort of right with Barret and even he was kind of bad but now we're just straight up jigaboo time huh.
gotta love em those early 20th century racial stereotypes of the foolish but merry blackman
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i wondered if i was seeing things btw but really the vid panda posted is kind of racially disgusting. the sixteen year old girls all FLIPS ABOUT WITH SWORDS and hte black guys all GWAAAAH *runs away comically trips and falls* and you're like really guys???
you got it sort of right with Barret and even he was kind of bad but now we're just straight up jigaboo time huh.
i dont think its bad at all. that is A CHARACTER in most games/anime i think and he always acts like that so idk what you'd have them do. make em strong.....brave. actually they could because black representation in these games is awful and usually shit like barret yeah but i dont find this example in itself to be racially disgusting by any means. it's just some stupid anime character dude.
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He's a comedian character that gives relief to the action. Almost all RPGs have this type of character. He's there to balance Lightning's...Cloud personality. I hope he gets more depth than what is shown though.
The thing that kinda bugs me is how repetitive it is. There wasn't any variety in the demo. Looks okay, though the UI still bugs me.
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But anyway, it'll never even come close to being as bad as FFX/FFX2. That said, the battle system reminds me more of FFX2 than FF12, and that seems cool to me because I really liked FFX2's, even though the rest was absolute garbage.
Funny you mention that as this game is basically being made by the team who did Final Fantasy X & X-2. Felt a bit bummed when I found that out as I too hated X.. Aside from it's fast battle system and Blitzball was one of the best time wasters Ive enjoyed.
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i dont think its bad at all. that is A CHARACTER in most games/anime i think and he always acts like that so idk what you'd have them do. make em strong.....brave. actually they could because black representation in these games is awful and usually shit like barret yeah but i dont find this example in itself to be racially disgusting by any means. it's just some stupid anime character dude.
oh for sure but you know no western company would be like LETS MAKE OUR GOOFY GUS A BLACK GUY WIELDING TWO GUNS without pause.
idk its so backhanded to finally have a minority main character in one of these series and hes suddenly all gweeeeeh @_@.
you dont need to have positive racial characters (its fucking FINAL FANTASY jesus) but the fact that there are none ever doesn't really feel great either.
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i still don't understand quite why everyone says this game looks like shit. the graphics are pretty nice, the enviroments look detailed and the animations were pretty good(better than Fallout 3 thats for sure!).
but, It's higly unlikely this game will be as fun as Fallout 3.
i'll still get it, Masashi Hamuaza is doing the music and the enviroments look nice. that makes it worth getting for me.
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lol swordofkings you're in for it now
and you forgot Kiros lol he was the one guy in Laguna's group who didn't have a gun I think FF8 was a weird game though
but yeah swordofkings you seriously don't UNDERSTAND why everybody thinks this game looks crappy I mean I could see disagreeing about it but yeah seriously
also RPGs are fucking weird has there ever been like a Japanese/Asian character in those games who actually looks like it I mean I'm sure over there there are specific games like some samurai-themed rpg but yeah sometimes I think random Squaresoft employee looks in the mirror and sees (I dunno who would you say is the whitest guy in existence) even if there has been has there ever been one as the hero of the game or just some supporting character
Edit: If anybody missed it you should imagine "you forgot Kiros" like I'm saying you forgot Poland
Edit: Has anybody actually been following this game I just entirely forgot about it just figured it was already out or something
Edit: I also propose that there should be an uncanny valley for anime-ness because if they had the technology back then probably every NES/SNES game would've just looked like an interactive anime but instead they had to improvise and play with the style a bit which actually gave it some charm, but now that they have sophisticated PS3 technology the game designers can make games exactly as they envision them which turns out to be really awful
Edit: Back to the Star Wars comparison imagine if Star Wars came out around now and Lucas was actually able to make things exactly how he imagined them like in the prequels? It's like that except replace special effects with not-so-graphically intensive game system and some Squaresoft dude instead of George Lucas (who the hell designs Final Fantasy anyway, like who's the director of it)
Edit: Also both have awkward black characters
Edit: I still wish they'd make a Final Fantasy that looks exactly like the old concept art
http://img.visualizeus.com/thumbs/08/06/04/art,artwork,game,illustration,painting-6d0232a34709c5279c4ac144efd2bd1c_h.jpg I'm still waiting for this game squaresoft u fagots
admittedly Final Fantasy IX did seem to go for that
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I don't get it either, from what was shown I thought the game looks pretty good. I thought the music was especially good.
I mean it's just supposed to be FF on a next gen console and it pretty much looks like that.
Was the video boring? sure at some parts but then again you are just watching a video of some guy's experience with the demo (or at least that's what it looks like). Hell it'd be boring to just watch some guy play just about any other game for 20 or so minutes, especially considering this is a turned based RPG.
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Seems like a typical dumb JRPG I could enjoy. For some reason, though, it looks kind of soulless. I'm not sure, but for some reason it looks like they're running out of ideas. I'm so tired of seeing Nomura rotating the same character designs in every game he's been involved in.
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oh for sure but you know no western company would be like LETS MAKE OUR GOOFY GUS A BLACK GUY WIELDING TWO GUNS without pause.
idk its so backhanded to finally have a minority main character in one of these series and hes suddenly all gweeeeeh @_@.
you dont need to have positive racial characters (its fucking FINAL FANTASY jesus) but the fact that there are none ever doesn't really feel great either.
Yeah, forget it. Only 0.6% of Japan's population is non-East Asian. They don't know or understand the kind of racism problems that have occurred in, well, every other part of the world. Not to say they haven't experienced it themselves, of course, but mostly among other East Asian ethnic groups (China and Korea).
They don't really care about skin color as a result. They like white skin, so every anime character is white. Black skin is considered funny, characters that have it are more likely to be like the one in the video Panda linked to.
PS: only saw the video Panda linked to. Despite what everybody says it looks sorta good to me. Nothing too interesting, but I seem to be incapable of liking post-2000 games so nevermind me.
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personally I could enjoy FFXiii despite its flaws.
But what do you guys think of the new FFXiii versus trailer? http://ps3.ign.com/dor/objects/826846/final-fantasy-versus-xiii/videos/ffxiii_versus_090415.html
And whats up with the voice acting, did they exclude it because they haven't assigned voice actors yet.
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I wouldn't buy it. I personally think that all the charm of the FF series was encapsulated in FFT and was lost with X. Maybe Squaresoft doesn't realize that their increasingly divergent style is alienating international audiences because their games still sell amazingly and get the stroke-off from the magazines and reviewers? I dunno.
But yeah, this doesn't look like the kind of world, story, or gameplay I would enjoy so I can't see any reason to pay money or attention to it.
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Yet another FF with no black girls, meh.
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wheres all the dark chocolate, meh
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"meh"
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does anyone actually say "meh" because if I ever heard someone use that term I'd probably reflexively call them a fag
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i say eh a lot but no ive never heard anyone say meh. some douche i used to work with would say PAHAHAHAHA and also liked excel saga soooo
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Maybe because I'm a campy dork who likes over-the-top "epic" shit but this kind of appeals to me... I liked the FFXIII versus trailer quite a bit more. But we're talking about the demo here... and I must say the battle system looks balls. I haven't really gotten into a Final Fantasy since 9 but I played 10 and I don't think this battle system looks like it works well! What was with the protagonist fighting that one monster about a few minutes in and was literally touching it while both parties just kinda stood there? If nothing else the battle system looks like it just needs to be refined.
But I thought it looked cool and epic.
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what is epic about it
I think you're misusing the term epic it doesn't look epic at all
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I'd pretty much written Final Fantasy off as far as future gaming purchases because I sided with my 360 instead of getting a PS3. But since this is going to be out on my system eventually, I started to have a kind of cautious optimism about it - provided I'll have the time to actually get into it when it comes out. I have mixed feelings based on what I've seen so far. It looks like Square Enix really liked how Advent Children looked and felt. It was nice to look at, but felt like a bunch of over the top cutscenes, culled from a Final Fantasy 7-2 that would never be made, stitched together with a nice (felt like) nine minute scene of a cell phone sinking. Flash and filler...little there for people who aren't already entrenched in the series - a percentage of them who would probably buy a phone book if it had the words "Final" and "Fantasy" on the cover, people who would go on to herald said phone book as a daring re-invention of the role playing genre.
This new game looks like it is going for the AC feel...everything is an over the top cutscene, including the battle engine. Yes, lets knock the enemy into the air, turn off gravity and go after them with some spinning attacks. I'm not sure they understood why the cinematics in the previous-gen FF's worked so well/had the impact they did. You trudged around with a spiked block for fourty five minutes bashing the confirm button through a menagerie of evil...then you got to see this (at the time) jaw dropping sequence. There are some scenes from FF8 I still remember, just because it was such a contrast... walk around fighting, talking, side-questing...then see this battle royale between the cadets from the two Gardens...or Squall's fight for the flying mech suit to go save the girl.
If the whole game is just...run forward, big cinematic sweep of landscape, fight, cinematic killing moves in the air, cinematic of the enemy transforming, cinematic of the walkway coming down after killing the enemy...there will be no impact. Visual desensitization.
There isn't much to see in terms of background so far. You basically have a roadway with some wreckage on it...a few monsters and enemy militia members sprinkled around with a bleak dystopian cityscape floating around the periphery. I don't mind the futuristic/sci-fi look, but it doesn't fit with some elements of FF yet they still try to shoehorn it in, it seems. And the baby Chocobo that ostensibly lives in the guy's afro?
I might be a bit naive or optimistic, but I think some of the goof-ball aspect of the black guy's performance will be toned down in the voice over for the NA release...unless they get Chris Tucker for the role or something.
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though the UI still bugs me.
Same here, it looks like random scramble of selections. All for the sake of being slick. We'll see, it's hard to tell with that, but so far the battle system looks pretty bland and repetative. Though, the FF12-movement around battlefield style is OK. Not sure how it'll work. W/E. I bought all the FF's before, probably get this, but def. not at launch.
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All FF systems were mostly bland. The thing that made the FFX/FFX-2 systems pop out to me was the pace, however. And that's why I think this one couldn't be too bad.
Also, I hated the FF12 system, because it was basically a mmorpg system made for controlling a group of guys rather than just one, and it was programmable.
Let the game play itself!