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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: dark_crystalis on April 22, 2009, 09:43:33 pm
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Hey guys, as some of you do know, I'm from Quebec, Canada. Anyways, recently I've decided that for university I really want to go study in music to get a bachelor's in performance for drums in jazz/contemporary music. I've been mostly checking countries like Norway, Sweden, Germany and Austria recently. I'll also be applying at a university here as a back-up plan. What I was wondering is if any of you have studied in music somewhere in Europe or just if you have any information that most websites don't offer about studying in Europe.
I'm currently practicing like crazy to then record my audition DVD towards August so I can start during the winter semester.
Thanks a lot
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i hope you are rich. international students generally pay 3 times the amount for tuition. euopean exchange rates are also about double the canadian dollar... not to mention flight/living... :S
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i hope you are rich. international students generally pay 3 times the amount for tuition. euopean exchange rates are also about double the canadian dollar... not to mention flight/living... :S
Actually, if I go to Norway my tuition fee is 0. But yeah it is going to be expensive. I already have some money on the side, an account with the Canadian government to pay for my studies (from the early 90s when they used to do this, so it is pretty decent), my parents are going to help me plus I'll be getting a job for sure. If needed I'll take a loan, I think it's definitely worth it plus if I do the 4 year version of the degree I'm a certified teacher in certain countries etc. I've found a few places where I stay that the price is actually cheaper than a small apartment here in Montreal.
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I'll be getting a job for sure.
Its really not easy to get a work permit in the EU
Unless you've already got a degree in something else and can find a company willing to offer you a job AND sponsor your permit application you can probably get a work permit.
If you're an unskilled college kid, your only hope is trying to find someone willing to hire you illegally and not screw you over by overworking you or cheating you out of wages
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Actually, if I go to Norway my tuition fee is 0. But yeah it is going to be expensive. I already have some money on the side, an account with the Canadian government to pay for my studies (from the early 90s when they used to do this, so it is pretty decent), my parents are going to help me plus I'll be getting a job for sure. If needed I'll take a loan, I think it's definitely worth it plus if I do the 4 year version of the degree I'm a certified teacher in certain countries etc. I've found a few places where I stay that the price is actually cheaper than a small apartment here in Montreal.
okay, that's cool. it'd defintely be an amazing experience if the money thing isn't an issue to you. tuition in norway is free? are you sure about this? i was under the impression that countries who have free post secondary education do charge international students. maybe norway is just really really nice.
most student visas will allow you to work part time. at least canadians anyways...
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yeah it seems like he's still a college kid and not QUALIFIED/SKILLED GRADUATE sooo you'll have to do what my brother did which was just get an illegal job. he said it's pretty easy to find one that doesn't rip you the fuck off though so good luck!!!
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okay, that's cool. it'd defintely be an amazing experience if the money thing isn't an issue to you. tuition in norway is free? are you sure about this? i was under the impression that countries who have free post secondary education do charge international students. maybe norway is just really really nice.
most student visas will allow you to work part time. at least canadians anyways...
Yeah that's what the universities I've been looking at have said. I've been talking with a girl that used to live here but she's now in Norway and she also explained to me that for my program, if my technical skills are bad they might charge or something. I kinda doubt about it but we'll see.
I'm not completely unskilled, I have a high school diploma plus I'm about to get a DEC which is post-secondary here in Quebec. Basically, I've had more education than the other people who'll be applying. I'm hoping that my DEC (which will be obtained with honors and a certificate that shows I was a tutor) will help me get a work visa. As far as I understood (I'll have to talk with the embassy in Ottawa) a student visa allows you to work for 15 hours per week or so.
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Oh sweet. Only music school I know in Sweden is in Lund, but I don't know if you get a bachelor's after that one. Last year I checked a music school (guitar) in the US, but never applied since they also charged if you weren't skilled enough and I suck sooo... man, I'm jealous of you now >_<
It's freaking hard to get work in Sweden by the way. Just so you know.
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Another good school is the Royal College of Music. But for undergraduate level programs, they only seem to offer English tuition as an exception. Link (http://www.kmh.se/home_en.php)
Swedish tuition for international students is also 0. But you have to have proof that you have enough money to make it through the entire duration of your stay. Which I think is a minimum 72000 swedish crowns a year. Link (http://www.studyinsweden.se/Home/)
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Another good school is the Royal College of Music.
Swedish tuition for international students is also 0. But you have to have proof that you have enough money to make it through the entire duration of your stay. Which I think is a minimum 72000 swedish crowns a year. Link (http://www.studyinsweden.se/Home/)
Do you know if the Orebro school of music is any good? Their section about music is only in Swedish so... Also, Norway offers many classes in English, is that the case in Sweden also. Thanks for the info
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A lot of graduate level programs (master, doctorate, etc) are in English, but undergraduate programs are fewer. There are more individual courses that are in English though. I can only speak in general, since I don't study music. Here you can search for courses and full programs: Link (https://www.studera.nu/aw/courseGuide.do?lang=en)
EDIT: Örebro University doesn't offer any undergraduate programs in English.
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I'm not completely unskilled, I have a high school diploma plus I'm about to get a DEC which is post-secondary here in Quebec.
lol you think having a high school diploma makes you "skilled" and is going to put you on a stool above others for a job in the EU?
I don't know what a DEC is but i doubt they'd really care if it's something that's special to quebec
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I don't know what a DEC is but i doubt they'd really care if it's something that's special to quebec
Don't quote me on this but I think it would be equivalent to a college degree. Well, depending on what it was.
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I think that minimum amount of money also applies from norway (i.e. enough to live throughout the stay) as I heard something about from someone else who was considering it.
the lack of tution fee is probably not that bad, but everything in terms of food and drinkables.. and other stuff is probably going to be a bit more expensive than in any of the alternatives countries you listed
ps. Norway isn't a part of EU
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I am impressed by the "you dont have money? fuck off" policy of most euro/usa universities.
Over here, the most expensive and one of the best university has a great scholarship policy. 35% of all students have some form of scholarship. Many others can also work within the uni for credit discounts.
I've been in the most expensive uni and didnt have to pay at all (except last year of uni, they like to cheat)
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lol you think having a high school diploma makes you "skilled" and is going to put you on a stool above others for a job in the EU?
I don't know what a DEC is but i doubt they'd really care if it's something that's special to quebec
Dude, I never said having a high school diploma makes me "skilled" it's the DEC that helps a little bit with that. But one of my advantages for sure is that I already speak French and English and I'll be learning their language. DEC is basically something Quebec added to high school since we don't have middle school. However, most cegep classes are normally given at university level at other places in Canada etc.
Kazesui, I've been checking a place to live and it's not too bad if I'm in Trondheim. However, I haven't check out the price of food and such yet. And yeah Norway isn't part of the EU but they have many agreements with the EU. I'm currently checking out information about visas and schools. I'll definitely be calling the Norwgian Consulate and Embassy.
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I am impressed by the "you dont have money? fuck off" policy of most euro/usa universities.
its a weird system but to be fair in a few states if you are a resident and keep like a 2.5 in high school they'll pay for you to go to any state school.
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ps. Norway isn't a part of EU
nobody said it was
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DEC is basically something Quebec added to high school since we don't have middle school. However, most cegep classes are normally given at university level at other places in Canada etc.
Can you explain this? What is DEC? Is it just extra courses or what aaand I don't know what that last sentence means
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Dude, I never said having a high school diploma makes me "skilled" it's the DEC that helps a little bit with that. But one of my advantages for sure is that I already speak French and English and I'll be learning their language. DEC is basically something Quebec added to high school since we don't have middle school. However, most cegep classes are normally given at university level at other places in Canada etc.
Kazesui, I've been checking a place to live and it's not too bad if I'm in Trondheim. However, I haven't check out the price of food and such yet. And yeah Norway isn't part of the EU but they have many agreements with the EU. I'm currently checking out information about visas and schools. I'll definitely be calling the Norwgian Consulate and Embassy.
Norway is really expensive to live in from what I hear, just so you are prepared. When I was in Oslo last time, I had to pay like $25 for a pizza!
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Actually, if I go to Norway my tuition fee is 0. .
yeah but here you basically get the worst education in the western world
also yeah dude only norwegians can afford to be university students in norway, shit is ridiculous
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The Saudi-Arabia of Europe.
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Whatever you do, when your at the coffee shops there don't sit down. They'll charge you for it. I went there for an art trip (art school trips are always the best trips in school) in france and one of my former classmates sat down at a coffee shop and they were charged for it.
Be careful.
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Whatever you do, when your at the coffee shops there don't sit down. They'll charge you for it. I went there for an art trip (art school trips are always the best trips in school) in france and one of my former classmates sat down at a coffee shop and they were charged for it.
Be careful.
This has never happened to me.
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yeah but here you basically get the worst education in the western world
also yeah dude only norwegians can afford to be university students in norway, shit is ridiculous
Unless you show proof of this I say BS. Their higher education system seems as good as any other place
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Have you thought about Sorbonne? It's really nice, it's got a famous music program, and if you're bilingual it'll be easier to adjust than going to Sweden or somewhere else.
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Unless you show proof of this I say BS. Their higher education system seems as good as any other place
You're thinking of going to Trondheim, which means you're probably thinking of NTNU? NTNU is a pretty good place to study if you're going to do technology. I'm currently studying there (and will keep doing so for a few more years) so if you have any questions feel free to ask. If you do come, we have to meet up. Adolph also used to live in this city but he was recently evicted but I suppose he's getting a new visa soon.
Anyway what will you be studying? Tuition fee is like 300kr here (roughly 40$) but I'm not sure if it's more expensive for foreign students (I'm assuming it's not but you'd better check it out).
edit: oh rofl music of course
Yeah are you thinking of the music line at NTNU or somewhere else?
edit2: also holm what are you on about. public school is pretty shit in Norway but the universities are of high standard, especially the university of oslo and NTNU. also it is not very expensive to study, I use tops $12'000 a year everything included (shelter, food, books, transportation, beer, parties EVERYTHING). it is very cheap.
oslo is an expensive city but trondheim is pretty average for western europe
also for money you can get a student assistant job which pays about $2000 per semester for doing very small amounts of work. it's not a lot of money but it's pretty much rent for like 4-5 months.
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You're thinking of going to Trondheim, which means you're probably thinking of NTNU? NTNU is a pretty good place to study if you're going to do technology. I'm currently studying there (and will keep doing so for a few more years) so if you have any questions feel free to ask. If you do come, we have to meet up. Adolph also used to live in this city but he was recently evicted but I suppose he's getting a new visa soon.
Anyway what will you be studying? Tuition fee is like 300kr here (roughly 40$) but I'm not sure if it's more expensive for foreign students (I'm assuming it's not but you'd better check it out).
edit: oh rofl music of course
Yeah are you thinking of the music line at NTNU or somewhere else?
edit2: also holm what are you on about. public school is pretty shit in Norway but the universities are of high standard, especially the university of oslo and NTNU. also it is not very expensive to study, I use tops $12'000 a year everything included (shelter, food, books, transportation, beer, parties EVERYTHING). it is very cheap.
oslo is an expensive city but trondheim is pretty average for western europe
also for money you can get a student assistant job which pays about $2000 per semester for doing very small amounts of work. it's not a lot of money but it's pretty much rent for like 4-5 months.
Yeah I was checking NTNU in Trondheim since they have the program that interests me. The tuition fee is the same for foreign students which is really awesome. However, do you know anyone that is in the music program, I was wondering how hard it is to get in for jazz drums. Also, how hard is the Norwegian proficiency test that I have to pass? I downloaded myself a bunch of books and CDs to study Norwegian hahaha
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the proficiency test for being able to study norwegian? I didn't know there was one, but I think it's pretty easy. Or do you mean the proficiency test for the music line? Because at least Norwegian students have to prove their worth by playing in front of the professors but I dunno if that applies for foreign students or if they just need references or anything at all.
NTNU is pretty sweet too and the music conservatory is in downtown meaning it is very central and awesome. Are you considering a full grade or just a year?
To answer your first question, one of my friends is probably going to begin studying Music Technology this fall (I applied last year but my appliance was rejected... but I'm studying civil engineering which is not a bad plan 2). So yeah maybe you guys will be best friends 8)
dont forget to holla out if you come to Trondheim though. Jazz drumming is awesome and a lot of my friends are musicians so maybe you will fit right in with my friends (so you at least know SOME Norwegians). just be prepared for a pretty cold winter (it's doable, but gets pretty cold january-february)
you considering one year or a full grade in trondheim?
Also drop by irc any day you want to practice your Norwegian ;)
(dont worry if you dont get too good at norwegian before moving... like 95% of the population speaks english and maybe 80% speaks the language fluently)
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the proficiency test for being able to study norwegian? I didn't know there was one, but I think it's pretty easy. Or do you mean the proficiency test for the music line? Because at least Norwegian students have to prove their worth by playing in front of the professors but I dunno if that applies for foreign students or if they just need references or anything at all.
NTNU is pretty sweet too and the music conservatory is in downtown meaning it is very central and awesome. Are you considering a full grade or just a year?
To answer your first question, one of my friends is probably going to begin studying Music Technology this fall (I applied last year but my appliance was rejected... but I'm studying civil engineering which is not a bad plan 2). So yeah maybe you guys will be best friends 8)
dont forget to holla out if you come to Trondheim though. Jazz drumming is awesome and a lot of my friends are musicians so maybe you will fit right in with my friends (so you at least know SOME Norwegians). just be prepared for a pretty cold winter (it's doable, but gets pretty cold january-february)
you considering one year or a full grade in trondheim?
Also drop by irc any day you want to practice your Norwegian ;)
(dont worry if you dont get too good at norwegian before moving... like 95% of the population speaks english and maybe 80% speaks the language fluently)
To study in Norway they force foreign students to take a Norwegian proficiency to prove that we know your language. I'll probably be starting tonight hehehe. But yeah I want to do my full undergraduate degree in Norway. For the auditions, yeah I know about it. I think that base is covered, I just have to practice more jazz and eventually record myself to send it to NTNU before Jan 15 2010. If I get to go to Trondheim, I'll hang out with you for sure. I also know someone else (who used to live here) that will introduce me to all the black metal musicians since she's married with one of them hehe.
For the winter I should be fine, in Montreal our winter can get pretty brutal plus I grew up in Rouyn-Noranda which is 7 hours North-West of Montreal.
I'll definitely try to pop up on IRC soon, just let me learn some Norwegian first hahaha. Thanks a lot for the information Lars
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summer 2010 it is. best of luck!
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Whatever you do, when your at the coffee shops there don't sit down. They'll charge you for it. I went there for an art trip (art school trips are always the best trips in school) in france and one of my former classmates sat down at a coffee shop and they were charged for it.
Be careful.
lol i wouldn't pay them
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But yeah Lars, if ever you meet someone that's in music performance jazz drums ask them how hard the audition was please. Thanks