So basically, I go out to the streets and everything is empty, and everyone is wearing weird masks. Seems kinda Apocalyptic actually!
I'm surprised if there's anyone who hasn't heard of the influenza yet.
Yet another reason to kill and eat all the pigstoo bad we are all controlled by the jews
I hope this is all benign and they get it all sorted soon, I'm supposed to be going back to Texas in less than 3 weeks :<.
I hope this is all benign and they get it all sorted soon, I'm supposed to be going back to Texas in less than 3 weeks :<.
hm. i call shenanigans
it seems to only be a problem so far in relatively hot places, do you think the spread might be related to the pigs bakin'?what part of transmitted person-by-person don't you understand
The virus is kinda different from other kinds of influenza, since it targets young healthy adults and is transmitted by... pigs.
Don't have a source, but apparently there are no confirmed pigs that actually have the disease to begin with. So killing them doesn't help at all right now.Yeah, apparently both the viruses are named H1N1 so there was some mixup during the naming (the pig version has never been confirmed to spread to humans or something).
but you can't get it by eating pork, which is odd.how is that odd. heat kills bacterias and viruses
The CDC does not understand why the American cases were primarily mild disease while the Mexican cases had led to multiple deaths. However, research on previous pandemic strains have suggested that mortality can vary widely between different countries, with mortality being concentrated in the developing world.[82] Differences in the viruses or co-infection are also being considered as possible causes. Only fourteen samples from Mexico had been tested by the CDC, with seven found to match the American strain. The virus likely passes through several cycles of infection with no known linkages between patients in Texas and California, and that containment of the virus is "not very likely".
i'll never wash my mits post toilet
It takes a lot longer than that, which is why researchers can mass-produce a seasonal human flu vaccine and expect it to last a majority of the season.said vaccine will be ready in 6 months
a seasonal human flu vaccine
benign? people are dyingi didnt actually know this, the article i read was just "12 US cases, blah blah, none fatal yet"
Jester, what time zone of Britain are you in that you get your news 2 days late? You should probably relocate. BBC lists 20 confirmed deaths, while Wikipedia lists 26. Both list 152 as the "probable" number of deaths.i dont even know which article i looked at originally, but my ma just looked at one downstairs before telling me those numbers. i guess it was out of date??
I suggest you just sty home until this pandemic thing dies down.which you guys are pretty good at
climbtreeeee stooooooooop
this topic is dumb as hell is why, during the same period i'd bet more have died from the common flu. this isn't even sars dumb this is y2k dumb
it's the flu! as far as i can tell it's a less dangerous strain than the common flu and it spreads at a slightly slower pace?
STOCK UP THE BOMB SHELTER IT'S GONNA BE A LONG WINTER
The virus may have infected more then what it appears. The virus might just be "hidding" (I can't think of the medical term) and waiting for whatever reason to pop out and kill those infected. and then spread like wild fire... or is that not at all how it works?
Is it possible that it's mostly killing Mexicans because that they're Mexicans?
The virus may have infected more then what it appears. The virus might just be "hidding" (I can't think of the medical term) and waiting for whatever reason to pop out and kill those infected. and then spread like wild fire... or is that not at all how it works?This occurs with Lysogenic phage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysogenic_cycle) - viruses that infect bacteria and wait for a key signal like DNA damage to burst out of infected cells and produce numerous copies of itself. I'm pretty sure influenza does not fall under this category.
Is it possible that it's mostly killing Mexicans because that they're Mexicans? Just as other ethnicities can be immune to certain diseases and weak against other.Well, this is actually a fair question, although the answer is never as simple as you'd like. You can't bundle the people of an entire nation as having a genetic similarity, as the human genome is just as varied within a subpopulation as it is between subpopulations. True, there are a few major "exceptions," most notably the high proportion of Sub-Saharan Africans with a copy of the sickle-cell gene since it provides protection against malaria, but the idea that a group as large as a nation, ethnicity, or race would be genetically different enough to be affected by a disease in a totally different way is a little far-fetched.
This occurs with Lysogenic phage (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lysogenic_cycle) - viruses that infect bacteria and wait for a key signal like DNA damage to burst out of infected cells and produce numerous copies of itself. I'm pretty sure influenza does not fall under this category.Thanks for the info that was actually really interesting. Although it could still be theoretically possible that a certain genome in humans from a population group more towards the south is weaker to the disease. Their health system is probably the biggest reason but at the same time I find it really bizarre that they're the only ones dying from this (except for on American child). We'll see what the scientists tell us soon I guess.
Well, this is actually a fair question, although the answer is never as simple as you'd like. You can't bundle the people of an entire nation as having a genetic similarity, as the human genome is just as varied within a subpopulation as it is between subpopulations. True, there are a few major "exceptions," most notably the high proportion of Sub-Saharan Africans with a copy of the sickle-cell gene since it provides protection against malaria, but the idea that a group as large as a nation, ethnicity, or race would be genetically different enough to be affected by a disease in a totally different way is a little far-fetched.
Ideas like this are still thrown around, though, especially in the field of Pharmacogenomics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacogenomics). Bidil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bidil) is a pretty famous drug that was actually marketed as a race-specific (for African Americans) drug. Later research showed it was pretty much bullshit and all other races could respond to it equally well.
So basically: You can have a different PROPORTION of a population expressing a certain gene, but def. not something that would cause 10% flu mortality rate in Mexicans vs 1% in rest of the world. My guess is the discrepancy is mostly due to quality of heath care + living conditions
i'm still right, you're dumb as fuck because you think the flu can target mexicans.Dude, all I'm saying is they might have more chances to die from it because of the different genomes they have from their ethnicity. Simply referring to name calling really doesn't help your point at all by the way. Also, all you're saying is "I'm right", you're not presenting any information or argument.
Dude, all I'm saying is they might have more chances to die from it because of the different genomes they have from their ethnicity
i'm still right, you're dumb as fuck because you think the flu can target mexicans.
all of this ignoring the fact that as far as i know there's not even an socialized definition of mexican as a race it's latino but lets go ahead and draw overarching genetic conclusions about it anyways.I didn't mean Mexicans as a race although yes that could of been very misleading because I did use the word Mexican. But in the sense of the latino ethnicity although as ASE noted, there are subpopulations etc. And btw, yes I do know how a basic virus works and secondly the state of education has nothing to do with it. We're probably not even in the same country. Whether you accept it or no, certain ethnicities can be more vulnerable to a certain disease. Yes it's a very broad assumption but I was asking if it's possible. Thanks for completely ignoring it as a QUESTION. It's not like I'm saying SWINE FLU KILLS ONLY MEXICANS HAR HAR HAR LETS HAVE A MEXICAN PURGE.
Egypt orders slaughter of all pigs over swine flu
By MAAMOUN YOUSSEF, Associated Press Writer – 41 mins ago
CAIRO – Egypt began slaughtering the roughly 300,000 pigs in the country Wednesday as a precaution against swine flu even though no cases have been reported here, infuriating farmers who blocked streets and stoned vehicles of Health Ministry workers who came to carry out the government's order.
The measure was a stark expression of the panic the deadly outbreak is spreading around the world, especially in poor countries with weak public health systems. Egypt responded similarly a few years ago to an outbreak of bird flu, which is endemic to the country and has killed two dozen people.
Yeah but, it's like how you deal with any other flu. PREVENTION!!! Wash your hands, panicking and being all AH AIR!!!
your trolling isn't even funny. and if you're serious you're an even bigger idiot
This will probably be another "media scare" that we see every year basically.
no the swine flu is more dangerous.
like whatever else it is still a more deadly strain of the flu, saying THE NORMAL FLU KILLS MORE doesn't change this. that's just a matter of numbers.
this is admittedly spreading faster than I thought it would though! it's still media panic most of it but damn.
i'm pretty sure at most it's equal to normal flu in terms of lethality at most and yeah numbers do matter because the common flu is already pandemicno its not. i dont think you understand the cycle of influenza variants:
As influenza is caused by a variety of species and strains of viruses, in any given year some strains can die out while others create epidemics, while yet another strain can cause a pandemic. Typically, in a year's normal two flu seasons (one per hemisphere), there are between three and five million cases of severe illness and up to 500,000 deaths worldwide, which by some definitions is a yearly influenza epidemic.[82] Although the incidence of influenza can vary widely between years, approximately 36,000 deaths and more than 200,000 hospitalizations are directly associated with influenza every year in America.[83][84] Roughly three times per century, a pandemic occurs, which infects a large proportion of the world's population and can kill tens of millions of people (see history section). Indeed, if a strain with similar virulence to the 1918 influenza emerged today, it could kill between 50 and 80 million people.[85]
Well, it's true that certain races have a certain predisposition to catch certain diseases...Yeah but do you think, for example, American Indians having up to a 30% rate of diabetes vs. 10% non-Hispanic whites is because INJIN BLOOD or maybe idk..... bad diet, horrible access to healthcare, being shunned onto reservations away from the rest of society, lack of preventative education???
genetic predisposition towards usually genetic disease trends among a real group of people that have some small biological differences (ie a predisposition to sickle cell anemia, or how whites tend to get testicular cancer more than other races) vs saying MEXICANS MAYBE GOT THE VIRUS ON ACCOUNT OF BEING MEXICAN no, one of these is definitely stupid as hell.
as shep said: the things i have to read...
i'm also not sure i understand what climbtree is trying to prove by saying the flu kills people. this HOPEFULLY will die out before it becomes an issue. this also is clearly media exaggeration going to town. but you are just straight up being stupid when you are like HEH ITS JUST THE FLU. do you realize there are flu pandemics? and they are big deals? the swine flu is one of these and ase said we're substantially less prepared to deal with this strain! whoops.
the WHO does not increase their warnings like the US government throws around terror alerts. this is probably going to be an issue. i dont know about widespread vaccination or panics or anything but this sucks and being like HEH STUPID TOPIC NOT NEWS is probably a worse attitude than panic.
dude
i'm writing an essay about bidil right now. no fucking way
(actually this is probably why i am getting so fired up about this atm)
catching this flu is no more dangerous than catching the other varients of the flu but as of yet it's a lot less likely you'll come in contact with it. the chances of you catching this flu from someone who has it is... the same as catching a common strain unless you've been vaccinated or had it already
as of yet more people are infected with the other strains than swine flu. i didn't say BORING i said DUMB AS HELL, DUMBER THAN SARS, ABOUT AS DUMB AS THE Y2k BUG. SARS wasn't as dumb because it was going to be really lethal. this is a strain of the flu with... flu like symptoms, which is why they don't know why it's killed so many in mexico. if you catch this flu you will get the flu, the WHOA THIS COULD BE DANGEROUS is a lot of people catching the flu at the same time.yep all flu strains are exactly the same and have the exact same lethality.
if you haven't had the main varients of the flu or been vaccinated against them you should be more worried about them because the chances of you comming into contact with it are a lot higher
yep all flu strains are exactly the same and have the exact same lethality.
ugh you dope you can't have a genetic predisposition to catching a virus, it's like a genetic disposition to getting shot.
ugh you dope you can't have a genetic predisposition to catching a virus, it's like a genetic disposition to getting shot.this is bullshit btw
if i was going to joke i'd have said the dumbest thing ever like "maybe this virus has a genetic component and that's why mexicans are getting it, like how getting shot is genetic and that's why black people get shot more"
oh except that's what you said. are you joking? i can never really tell.
Anyways, this is driving me nuts. Since last Tuesday everything is closed: cinemas, theaters, museums, bars, gyms, restaurants, etc. There's nothing to do... I think I may return to booze just because of this. :(
you better be more worried about not dying from the flu son
this is bullshit btw
anyone born with a mutated gene for a receptor protein on a cell being attacked by a virus can have genetic immunity to a certain type of virus
ex. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCR5
You've taken a bullet or two. You'll be alright. :D
5 or so schools in San Diego county have been closed, but they're marginally far away so I'm not really worried. Someone at SDSU got it, too, which sucks nuts because my debate coaches are all from SDSU. I'm sure the guy's taken care of though. I don't know if I should scare myself shitless or just not care.
EDIT: Wait, what laws?
Yeah but do you think, for example, American Indians having up to a 30% rate of diabetes vs. 10% non-Hispanic whites is because INJIN BLOOD or maybe idk..... bad diet, horrible access to healthcare, being shunned onto reservations away from the rest of society, lack of preventative education???
However heres the thing, your only born with them already geared to fight and respond to a specific type and strain of virus/bacteria, inherited from your parents obviously. If these cells once activated come across the same type but different strain, or different type of infection they outright ignore it, no exceptions. If you don't have a B/T-cell that is made to fight said different infection then your body has been severely crippled with dealing with it, if able to at all.
The reason why the Swine Flu is so bad is because it is new to humans and has never been encountered before, just because it is similar doesn't mean it isn't different enough for your body not to recognise it.
if you catch this flu you will get the flu, the WHOA THIS COULD BE DANGEROUS is a lot of people catching the flu at the same time.usually the spread of the flu is mediated by people who have already had it. since no-one has had this strain there's nothing stopping it's spread, and if everyone catches the flu at once, even though the chances of it killing you are slim, multiplied by the earths population that's a lot of dead people and a lot of sick days off work at the least.
Wait a minute... where do you live Pulits? in the US?
wait why are you worried about drugs being legal?
so swine flu was found at my old school where my mum works now, it is closed for 2 weeks to clean it up.
same at a school 15 blocks from home.
this is because I live in an area WHERE PEOPLE TRAVEL TO PLACES, like disney world