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General Category => General Talk => Topic started by: Marmot on May 15, 2009, 07:04:40 pm
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been trying to make a thread about this for a while.
The Astrophysics ratio of male/female in grad school is 13/4, and it is worse in the pure physics grad school here. The faculty situation is even worse. Undergrad is a little better in my classes - the astro ones are probably around 6/4 for males, females, the pure physics one I would say about 12/4.
It always made me wonder why in the current order of things females are not attracted to the very mathematical sciences. Theres a lot of females in biology and the ratio is not terrible in chemistry either. However in either pure math or physics the ratio is abysmal. I doubt it has to do with our phenotypes at all, because I consider myself fairly bright on physics stuff and there are females in the classroom that surpass me. So it must be something social. It probably has to do with the whole geeky/nogeeky thing too to an extent, because stuff branded as geeky is famous for being very male centric.
People say it has to do with the styles of learning too. Some academics say females are better at verbal stuff while males are more "quantitative". I disagree vehemently, I think females are better at verbal stuff because it is what is expected from them. For example, males are encouraged to play with legos when they are kids, which develops spatial and quantitative skills, while females play with dolls, with develop social skills.
Physics male students are terrible concerning gender issues though, 'cuz most of us are emotionally broken geeks. For example there is always that thinking that hot females are dumb as rocks and the only smart ones are the ugly ones.
So what are your opinions?
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..what? no ofense but this was completely random. Where did this come from? From what I understood, females aren't as good as males in mathematics? I dont know.
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what are your opinions on why females dont like math/physics??? go to hell elkalo you aint a bro
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where the hell did THIS come from? @_@
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After school..
Biology - Travel, look at funky animals/plants/whatever
Chemistry - Blow things up
Maths - Count how long it will take your friend to visit all the awesome places to look at funky animals/plants/whatever
I thought even males got this?!?
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where the hell did THIS come from? @_@
marmot bein somber and rambling now write an opinion
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Women: LOVE flowers, horses,etc
Men: LOVe hunting,fishin,trucks,cars,guns
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You forgot MATHS, bareback.
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Men do science
women clean my kitchen XD
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it was ALBERT Einstein not ALBERTA Einstein. :sly:
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I think the same applies to computer science. The number of males is much higher than that of females from what I see in my classes.
edit: manly maths
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from now on iam gonna be marmottroll and disregard serious posts for4 thanks
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There are more men than women that buy inflatable sexdolls and shave their beard.
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Their own beard that is. Not the doll's.
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You may quote me on that one.
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fuck y'all
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nah this is a dumb topic anyway
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nah this is a dumb topic anyway
its not a dumb topic. its a general concern from where i come from. dont you get bothered by the fact that there are very few females working in the hard sciences? maybe i am not very good at writing topics but the concern is important. people in thoise departments have been trying to figure out this for ages but hello i am dumb ryan and i dont know anything except music and trollin LAWL
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man it's not because women DON'T LIKE PHYSICS. it has to do with gender stereotypes and how women are raised to think they should like certain things and not like other things, how they should do certain things and aspire to be certain things. it's like asking why aren't there more black lawyers? why are there so many asian nail salons?
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yeah i dunno why youd make this when that was the first thing that occurred to me too??? idk do you really need a discussion on why women are underrepresented in math/science fields
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man it's not because women DON'T LIKE PHYSICS. it has to do with gender stereotypes and how women are raised to think they should like certain things and not like other things, how they should do certain things and aspire to be certain things. it's like asking why aren't there more black lawyers? why are there so many asian nail salons?
thats what ive been arguing you dummy. but theres been whole arguments about how for example, male physics profs have a bad teaching approach because females are more "verbal".
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yeah i dunno why youd make this when that was the first thing that occurred to me too??? idk do you really need a discussion on why women are underrepresented in math/science fields
the issue here is that this is not really the case for like biology or chemistry. its only in mathy areas. why?????? minorities are underrepresented everywhere (except asians), thats not the case with females in the sciences.
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well they certainly do love to talk XD
also is it only maths? i thought the ratio of males to females was still fairly imbalanced in biology/chemistry as well. i mean youre talking degrees here but i didnt think there was a huge discrepancy
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well they certainly do love to talk XD
also is it only maths? i thought the ratio of males to females was still fairly imbalanced in biology/chemistry as well. i mean youre talking degrees here but i didnt think there was a huge discrepancy
This is the faculty of plant biology at msu
http://www.plantbiology.msu.edu/faculty/faculty-research
A little more than half are females.
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women like flowers XD
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well as a dummy in regards to both math and science i think i perceive a difference between the two, so that probably means other people do as well. obviously women also feel like biology/chemistry/other organic sciences??? or whatever are more accessible to them than say math/hard science like physics. maybe it's because a lot of people have the perception that one is more BRAINY than the other. real.........man's work heh. i mean biology is pretty heady stuff but ASTROPHYSICS and whatever other crazy stuff you're into is substantially more so in a lot of people's eyes. maybe this is why it is viewed as more of a man's field in contrast to fields people perceive to be less complicated.
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Q: What do engineers use for birth control?
A: Their personalities.
XD
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they cant be that bad really. ive known a few and all were just normal guys. maybe i didnt talk to them about the right things
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Since she's, as I understand it, a maths-loving Cock Socket I'd like to hear esiann's opinions on this
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That's odd. In my school, most girls do physics. I steer clear away though.
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oh it's all a matter of culture. culture and basic brain structure that is... the gap's probably going to narrow steadily over the next idk couple decades though
to tell a pointless personal anecdote for a couple paragraphs, my mom's dad was a repairman and pretty much all her brothers are engineers, electrical or computer. she taught herself calculus in high school because there weren't adequate math courses there. she went to college for civil engineering and was the first female engineer where she worked. although apparently she wishes she'd done ece. anyway, she is pretty big on math. not as big on words or aesthetics.
my dad went to college for business or something and got his mba and then did business things for the navy and basically he lives to network. he is a very social person. not that big on math. he understands it, it just isn't very interesting to him. he is pretty big on words.
comparatively i like my mom more so i guess that could impact it. i like everything though, i doubt glottal stops or anything like that will ever be fascinating to me but i like learning about things. i think most people do.
anyway i will probably not have to deal with math too much in my future career. i like learning calculus and math in general but i can't imagine doing a degree in it, i'm not good enough at it for that. my cousin did math and recently he's done something with einstein and tensors in the name and i do not even understand.
cultural internalization is irritating to me today
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are you only talking grad school?
the reward mathmatics brings is similar to masturbation, it's more acceptable for men to do maths because society accepts that they have certain 'urges' but it's less acceptable for women to transfer their libido to practical stimulation like maths or gaming.
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Chemistry - Blow things up
Most of chemistry is actually geared toward preventing this from happening.
Also marmot, I've read that there's a predicted demographic shift in this, I can't remember where though.
I think currently most women are drawn to science as a means of entering a medical profession because it is a culturally reinforced "respectable womans job" where compensation discrepency between men and women either doesn't exist in many cases or isn't as severe as other industries. This probably explains why there's little interest in math/physics for women studying science.
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Most of chemistry is actually geared toward preventing this from happening.
Also marmot, I've read that there's a predicted demographic shift in this, I can't remember where though.
I think currently most women are drawn to science as a means of entering a medical profession because it is a culturally reinforced "respectable womans job" where compensation discrepency between men and women either doesn't exist in many cases or isn't as severe as other industries. This probably explains why there's little interest in math/physics for women studying science.
I am not talking only about undergrad but people in grad school. People who study biology in grad school don't aim for medicine. Also fuck premeds theyre the scum of the natural sciences
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i never understood why people thought medpeople are really smart they are just good at rote memorization /troll
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the correlation between integration and oedipal desire is obvious but, i think, noteworthy
chemistry: create & sell drugs
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physics: either add kids or people with crippling autism
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autistic women just draw wolves and and become zoology people
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anyway i will probably not have to deal with math too much in my future career. i like learning calculus and math in general but i can't imagine doing a degree in it, i'm not good enough at it for that. my cousin did math and recently he's done something with einstein and tensors in the name and i do not even understand.
cultural internalization is irritating to me today
you see the thing is that people arent as bad as math as they think its just they dont know how to study math. they think its the same as studying for *folding origami 201* or *lying with graphs 451*. It requires a complete different methodology. i am not talking about you in general i am only ranting. i am not a great mathematician either
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I am not talking only about undergrad but people in grad school. People who study biology in grad school don't aim for medicine.
Its cuz they didn't get into med school and realized that an undergrad degree in Biology is pretty worthless.
lol
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Its cuz they didn't get into med school and realized that an undergrad degree in Biology is pretty worthless.
lol
well enetering to grad school is pretty damn hard anyway. maybe just a little less than medschool. medschool sint terribly hard you just need like a 3.5 and thats easy if you just get a bs in psychology lol
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To be honest, I'm kinda bullshitting but its been my personal experience that women in my math n science courses were almost always studying to get into med, pharm, or nursing programs.
But I took all my general bio/chem/calc series at a community college and I'd say over 80 percent of people taking science there are shootin for med/nursing
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I am not talking only about undergrad but people in grad school. People who study biology in grad school don't aim for medicine. Also fuck premeds theyre the scum of the natural sciences
yeah fuck their degrees, those worthless fucking scumbags are the worst.
did you REALLY need a topic on why there aren't many women in math/engineering man.
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To be honest, I'm kinda bullshitting but its been my personal experience that women in my math n science courses were almost always studying to get into med, pharm, or nursing programs.
me too. not that many go to math/engineering/physics grad school because there aren't many promising futures there as opposed to medicine/pharm
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why would like... girls take physics when they can just like marry the physicists!? tee hee!?!
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yeah fuck their degrees, those worthless fucking scumbags are the worst.
did you REALLY need a topic on why there aren't many women in math/engineering man.
as i said people discuss this all the time and to some people it is an issue. i am sorry if you think there is nothing wrong about this
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yeah fuck their degrees, those worthless fucking scumbags are the worst
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why would like... girls take physics when they can just like marry the physicists!? tee hee!?!
You're soo right, money and power don't matter to me in a man. As long as he's got a large hardon collider I'm all set
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Most of chemistry is actually geared toward preventing this from happening.
Well it was just an example. I mean, a few people may actually enjoy sitting and calculating theoretical shit for themselves, but hey, it's way more fun to be outside on the frontline, doing the actual stuff. Like astronauts for example.. would you really enjoy counting stars more than actually float around in space?
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pretty sure university level chemistry is TITRATE X MOLES OF CLEAR LIQUID A TO Y MOLES OF CLEAR LIQUID B (30 seconds). EXPLAIN EVERY INTERACTION FULLY (2 months)
like the chemistry is just as theoretical as physics.
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holy crap marmot does double post a lot for no reason
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pretty sure university level chemistry is TITRATE X MOLES OF CLEAR LIQUID A TO Y MOLES OF CLEAR LIQUID B (30 seconds). EXPLAIN EVERY INTERACTION FULLY (2 months)
like the chemistry is just as theoretical as physics.
Yeah, but what kind of jobs do you get after the school? I'm slightly tipsy right now so I might be babbling about, but there seem to be more practical jobs after chemistry than physics.. does anybody know what classes you need to have attended to become an astronaut btw? Gotta be more than astrology, eh?
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no, it's pretty much all astrology.
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pretty sure university level chemistry is TITRATE X MOLES OF CLEAR LIQUID A TO Y MOLES OF CLEAR LIQUID B (30 seconds). EXPLAIN EVERY INTERACTION FULLY (2 months)
like the chemistry is just as theoretical as physics.
this is pretty much it
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Yeah, but what kind of jobs do you get after the school?
pretty much exactly what he described
the majority of chemists have some of the most boring jobs ever, biggest benefit is that they usually get paid a lot and they can slack off a ton as long as they finish whatever it is they need to be doing.
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should've majored in philosophy...... whos the dumb one now???
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pretty sure university level chemistry is TITRATE X MOLES OF CLEAR LIQUID A TO Y MOLES OF CLEAR LIQUID B (30 seconds). EXPLAIN EVERY INTERACTION FULLY (2 months)
like the chemistry is just as theoretical as physics.
i dunno... this is still talking about... objects. when it comes to relativity or cosmology, it becomes pretty abstract.
Yeah, but what kind of jobs do you get after the school?
better jobs than physics majors...
esiann, what are you taking??
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So Marmot. I'm studying Computer Science and Administration. And all I can say is that there are little to no girls in engineering, and the few ones that are in this division are like men under disguise. I think it's more a social thing. I remember my ex, she was exceedingly good at math and physics, but she ended up in social sciences and humanity.
At least here, I think it's this whole "girls shouldn't study men stuff, unless they're ugly."
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to be a good woman is to be emotional and nurturing rather than cold and rational so in order for women to do mathematics they have to degrade their status as a woman. arguably ugly girls have less to lose as such.
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i dunno... this is still talking about... objects. when it comes to relativity or cosmology, it becomes pretty abstract.
not really, besides most things you actually DO in undergrad chemistry and in most labs as a chemist deal with objects with most of that abstract stuff requiring not much more than a rudimentary understanding unless you're in some kind of lab filled with folks looking to cure cancer or do some sort of nuclearchemistry or something. You forget most of that shit after you finish your required physical chemistry class and thinking about it makes you shudder and squeeze whatever is in your hands really hard.
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i dunno... this is still talking about... objects. when it comes to relativity or cosmology, it becomes pretty abstract.
better jobs than physics majors...
esiann, what are you taking??
archaeology :P
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Hi pog welcome to the forums
archaeology :P
My brother's girlfriend has an archaeology degree and there's just ALWAYS work for her whenever she wants it. She can just say to The Archaeologists gimme some work and she can go dig something up. good move esiann... good move
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I liked pog, he reminded me of gaia online. bye pog.
oh so you are going for archaeology esiann? that's cool. I can picture you in archaeologist gear.
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not really, besides most things you actually DO in undergrad chemistry and in most labs as a chemist deal with objects with most of that abstract stuff requiring not much more than a rudimentary understanding unless you're in some kind of lab filled with folks looking to cure cancer or do some sort of nuclearchemistry or something. You forget most of that shit after you finish your required physical chemistry class and thinking about it makes you shudder and squeeze whatever is in your hands really hard.
chemsity can be pretty complex and math-heavy, but it's still pretty concrete. the abstract stuff in physical chemistry is still physics, its just like a studying strong and weak nuclear forces and then applying the chemistry to them, right?
i guess i didn't take al ot of chemistry, but from what i gather, it is pretty testable, but in physics there's a lot of "soooo dark matter.... it's there, i swear. you just can't see it... and.. we don't really know what it is" or "gravity is just a way to explain something, it doesn't actually exist... we just... can't prove it"...
@mark: really? i was just about to ask esiann if you can get any kind of job with just a undergrad or even with a masters, other than like... uh, at a museum or something.
@esiann: please give more info on this. it is cool-sounding. what kind of job do you wnat from it?
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i miss pog :(
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Well it might be different for esiann being american since america is such a babby country and nobody cares about native american shit. More arrowheads... nice. Here there's stuff to be dug up all the while and it's close to enough to european countries where stuff is being dug up all the while to go there for work too
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there are lots of tumuli here (mexico¢ral&south america have more interesting things), but i'm not sure where i want to work. i'm trying out museums this summer and field work/hopefully national park work next summer to see what's up. i don't want to teach or write i don't think. which will make my english minor almost useless but i'll read so many books heads will rotate rapidly
i like museums though. the actual excavation part of archaeology isn't as exciting as it might seem from idk indiana jones. it is scraping away centimeters of dirt at a time and carefully depositing different soil types in different buckets to be sorted later. it is good if you do not mind tedious work, like me
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archeology is not like that at all. i too know someone with an archeology degree and they're always hard-pressed to find any sort of real job (the one they were working with ran out of business or moved countries or something) and have to resort to renovation/painting jobs
err, what i'm trying to say is that it isn't impossible or anything but it's certainly not as EZ as mark is making it out to be
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Where is this Pog everyone is talking about? I haven't seen any posts by Pog. Did his posts get deleted?
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err, what i'm trying to say is that it isn't impossible or anything but it's certainly not as EZ as mark is making it out to be
It is here.
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trust him, mark knows from his 4-month stint at uni
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I did 3 years and university but I wasn't studying my brother's girlfriend's employment records. That's exactly what she told me though, whenever she wants archaeology work it's available. Maybe she lied to me though, maybe she's a compulsive liar.
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mark how come you never talk about yourself
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I did 3 years and university but I wasn't studying my brother's girlfriend's employment records. That's exactly what she told me though, whenever she wants archaeology work it's available. Maybe she lied to me though, maybe she's a compulsive liar.
did you finish then? what did you get?
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he got level 80 on WoW
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it is because women were told they couldnt do math and sciences until very recently it is not because of brain shit
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marmot is so deeply removed from the needs of the proletariat that academics are ALL HE CAN THINK ABOUT
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women do a lot of sciende! more than half of bio people are women! the thing is with numbers
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nah this is a dumb topic anyway
you sir, are making it a dumb topic, sir
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thanks shepperd. another excellent post from you. :bravo:
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don't need your praise pal