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http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/10/colorado.shootings/index.html
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COLORADO SPRINGS, Colorado (CNN) -- "It seemed like it was me, the gunman, and God," said Jeanne Assam, describing her feelings as she confronted a man who charged into her Colorado Springs church Sunday firing a weapon.

Assam, a church security guard with law enforcement experience, fired her own weapon at the invader and stopped his attack, police say.

Police on Monday identified the gunman as Matthew Murray and said he was also responsible for an attack earlier Sunday at a missionary center some 70 miles away.

The two incidents left four people dead, in addition to the gunman, and five wounded.

Police said forensic evidence showed a positive match between a handgun found at the church and shell casings found at the missionary center in Arvada, a suburb of Denver.

Officials from the Colorado Springs and Arvada police departments appeared at a joint news conference to brief reporters on what they had pieced together about Sunday's events.

The first incident took place Sunday at about 12:30 a.m. at Youth With a Mission in Arvada.

Police said a man with a beard, wearing a dark jacket, glasses, and skullcap, entered the facility, got into a dispute with a staff member about whether he could stay there for the night, and then opened fire.

Two staff members, Tiffany Johnson, 26, and Philip Crouse, 24, died later Sunday from their injuries, Youth With a Mission co-founder Peter Warren said. Two other staff members were injured, and one was in critical condition.

Investigators tried to track the gunman through fresh snow with the help of dogs, but lost his trail in a heavily walked area, Deputy Chief Gary Creager of Arvada police said.

About 12 hours later, police say, Murray showed up at New Life Church as a service was letting out.

He fired on a family who were in or near their car. Two sisters, identified by police as Rachael Works, 16, and Stephanie Works, 18, were killed, and their father, David Works, 51, was also shot and is hospitalized in fair condition with two gunshot wounds.

Murray then entered the church, police say, where Assam was one of several security guards on duty. Video Watch more about Matthew Murray's background »

"I saw him coming through the doors," she told reporters on Monday. "I took cover, and I waited for him to get closer, and I came out of cover and identified myself, and engaged him, and took him down. And that's pretty much it."

Police said they were still investigating whether Assam's weapon killed Murray, or whether he might have died of a self-inflicted gunshot.

A source -- a long-time member of New Life Church -- said Murray had a falling out with Youth With a Mission after working with the organization a couple of years ago. The source said Murray sent antagonistic and threatening correspondence afterward.

No one has spoken publicly on behalf of Murray.

Earlier Monday, Brady Boyd, senior pastor of New Life Church, said the gunman was unknown to parishioners there.

"He simply showed up on our property yesterday with a gun, with the intention of hurting people, and he did," Boyd said.

Boyd said the megachurch instituted security precautions after the shootings at the Denver area mission center.
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Boyd said Assam was a hero in preventing further bloodshed, rushing to confront the gunman just inside the church. "She probably saved over a hundred lives," Boyd said.

Assam said, "I give the credit to God. And I say that very humbly. God was with me and the whole time I was behind cover -- this has got to be God, because of the firepower that [the gunman] had vs. what I had -- was God. I did not run away and I didn't think for a minute to run away, I just knew that I was given the assignment to end this before it got too much worse. I just prayed for the Holy Spirit to guide me."

She told reporters she had not slept since the shooting, "as I'm sure you can tell."

She said she was on the third day of a three-day regimen of fasting and prayer, wanting to know God's will for what to do with her life, when the shooting took place.

"I was weak, and where I was weak, God made me strong," she said. "He filled me and he guided me and protected me and many other people. And I'm honored that God chose me."

Assam was one of about a dozen volunteer security guards at the church, half of whom are armed, Boyd said. The guards are licensed, trained and screened, and are church members, not "mercenaries," he said.

So some guy in Colorado Springs went and shot up a missionary center and a church 12 hours later, but was shot down by a member of the congregation with former law enforcement experience. Four people and the gunman were killed, and five were injured. It's sad that innocent people were killed, but it's nice to finally hear about somebody actually rising up and killing the guy quickly. I also find it funny how she says God was with her the whole time. Praise the lord and pass the ammunition, I suppose.

What are your thoughts on this all?
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dude must have been pretty fucked up to stab another life form. honestly can you actually see yourself STABBING a living being? I mean a random dog (keep in mind not MINE) came after me with an intent to kill me, I would kick it until it passed out. now this guy, his own fucking dog. wow. goes to show how fucked up this world is eh
If a dog came after me with an intent to kill me (and it was capable of doing so), I'd waste no time in stabbing it. It's me or the dog in that case and that's not a very hard choice. But if it wasn't capable of actually killing me, I'd probably just kick it out of the way or try to get it calmed down or something.
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He was not right he was just insane or something like that.

Now I ask you, can we allow this kind of people who can't control themselves to live together with more normal people?
You're the one who was going to kill your uncle or whatever because he wanted to cut your dog's tail off. You think this is normal or even remotely controlled?
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No it isn't. The discomforts of death are suffered chiefly by those who are still alive. The person who is actually dead is just... dead. Considering there's no prolonged pain and no traumatization, I think you're just revealing the limited fount of your experience with that statement. We have no way of knowing the sensation of death without dying. Sure, there are worse ways of dying than others, and we as a culture have a great fear and awe of Death, but there's no way that death is the most horrible thing that can happen to a person.
Also yeah, putting a girl in prison for robbery with 20 criminal men isn't barbaric at all.
I didn't say it's the most horrific thing, because it's clearly not, but in the long run it's the worst thing that can happen. If you think about it you'll understand what I'm saying. You seem to have completely missed everything I tried to say in my post though, seriously. They should be punished for what they did (the rapists AND OFFICERS) because what they did is clearly wrong, but murdering them is equally as wrong and therefore a barbaric judgment.
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Everyone who even looked at her with lustful eyes, I hope they get fucking cancer and die the most miserable painful death you could ever imagine.

Fuck you Brazil.  Fuck you Brazilian police.  Fuck you Brazilian journalism for bringing it to our attention and yet still not being able to do a single fucking thing about it.

I dare a child molester to even greet me.  Say Hi, and if I know who you are I will kill you in cold blood right in front of a whole army of police officers.
Because that makes you better than them, right? No. Murder is absolutely not acceptable under any circumstances. Jesus.

Sure this is a completely fucked up and horrible thing, but you seem to think that the murder of 20+ people is a-okay just because these people have absolutely no morales. Guess what: they didn't KILL her. Death is the worst thing that can happen to a person, and she's still alive. I'm not backing up what these sickos did; what they did is absolutely fucking disgusting, and I think they should be punished for this despicable act. But by this post I can conclude that you're completely incapable of logical thinking. An eye for an eye is barbaric, and we do not live in a barbaric society anymore. Grow up.
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Short and to the point. Goodbye.
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This is by far the greatest leaving topic I have ever seen. And I don't say that in sarcasm, I mean it. This was actually quite awesome.
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Awesome find. This is pretty fun and it makes me feel good knowing that just by answering relatively simple questions I can be saving lives. I'm definitely going to pass this on to some of my friends.
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hope you make a lot of friends :)
Not likely at this rate.

Welcome to GW. Do not triple post please.
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Goddamn those Christians trying to convert people to Christianity, they're interrupting me converting people to atheism! Graaaaaaaaah!!!!!!
This is the best post I've seen so far. :mellow:
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I'm really interested in how she got pregnant if you used a condom... for my own welfare.  You say the condom was years old, but I don't see how that matters as long as it didn't break. Sperm cannot pass through a solid object - can it?

Also, how old are you? 20? Yeesh...well I'm glad that you're glad about it. 
Since it's years old, chances are it did break.

Anyway, congratulations! That's really surprising to hear about this. I've never really known you personally but I've obviously seen you around a lot, and it's really cool to see you get to this point in life. :grin:
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Remember though, the US and Israel are allowed nukes but no one else can =o)
That's correct, Doktormartini. Very good.
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I'm glad this is only the internet. You're one of the most unique members we've had in a long time. You make up good stories.

Welcome back.
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yeah we figured that out a while ago.
Ah, my bad.
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Yes it is rather bad.

And GoldenRatio, that avatar's from a Japanese Mario Kart DS commercial.