well psychedellics is more about exploring your inner self to understand how you deal with the world.

this is the reason they are such good catalysts for progress in psychotherapy. it also goes much deeper than that. psychedelics show us how we create our world.

In my view(this is just my stand point)hallucinations should be viewed as hallucinations, so I prefer not to view them in any way spiritual. But I do agree with you, spiritual experiences should be a prerequisite for religiousness. Because at least in that person's mind, they've questioned, and seen proof, that god, or whoever exists. So many people don't question, and merely assume, without evidence. There's no validity either way, but still, like the saying goes "seeing is believing." Of coarse, from any logical person's standpoint, it should be seen, as I said before, as a hallucination and nothing else. EDIT: oops! Sorry for the double post!

psychedelics, in a traditional sense do not produce true hallucinations, but rather visuals or visions. a toxic delerient such as datura, would produce actual hallucinations - in the sense that you see something that is not real, but you have no idea you are tripping and take it as a solid object.  the visions are manifested from your mind, drawing upon information and symbols from deep within your mind, it is personal, but also universal. it isnt the visuals that make the experience spiritual, its the quality of awareness, and the powerful removal of all previous programming that hinders us from seeing deeper levels of experience and expanded points of view. the hallucination is the ideas that society and our peers programs into us, the values that we are 'taught' are important, and mostly the view of the self as a fixed ego identity. Einstein called it an optical delusion.

"a human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty."

psychedelics allow you to catch a glimpse of the self removed from this "optical delusion" and the other constraints of the ego. that in and of itself is spiritual: naked awareness, a meeting with the true nature of self. a true understanding of the deep connectedness of all life. when im on psychedelics i truly feel this connectedness to everything, in a very strong way. its euphoric and transfiguring.

How are the prices in the US? Over here it's approx $20 for a gram of hash and $25-30 for a gram of pot. It's quite fucking expensive to say the least!

i dont even know what the mexican shit goes for.

all the decent nugs, we call em beast dro, go for 80-90 a quarter, 150 a half, 250an ounce, 800 a qp and about 3000 a lb. nothing special, just seedless, good smelling, some crystals/kief.

the sweet sensi crystally exotic buds can vary anywhere from 100-120 a quarter, 160-220 a half, 300-430 an ounce, and 3300-4000 a pound. the price varies because usually they are taxed as hell, esp from domestic growers.

When I said ten grams, that was simply an illustration of the extreme - something that I do only seldom.

If I had to give and estimate of my normal daily consumption I'd guess at between .5-1 grams a day. That means I'm buying a 20 a little more often than once every two weeks which figures to about $50 a month.

Some days though, you just know are going to be abysmal. Last time I smoked THAT much, I rolled 20 joints during my 2 hour break between classes which took up the better part of the two twenties I had. I was smoking them at every opportunity I had. I certainly shared some of them, but the point is that yeah, I sometimes binge.

i buy about a quarter every two weeks, which is 80. so i spend about 160$ monthly on bud. its either good nugs or decent beast dro (mids).

It fluctuates so much that I cant really give an answer. Some days I smoke upwards of 10 grams, and some days I don't smoke very much at all. I don't really have a set schedule because I usually just work smoking into my schedule whenever I get the chance - between classes, before work, after dinner etc...

I went from being a regular smoker to being a daily smoker when I realized that I could function easily while stoned. After that, I saw few reasons to remain sober.

jesus. 10 grams?!! wish i had that kind of moneY!

i smoke somewhere around .5 a day of some really good shit, and a gram a day of the decent mids.

This is extremely true. I researched days and days before I did salvia. I even researched alcohol. Hell, I even do research into drugs I'll probably never take. Serious research too; I like to know how it is working in my brain, times and durations, effects and side-effects, and death statistics.

i would never ingest ANY substance without having thoroughly researched the risks and benefits. 

erowid is the shit. 

Hmmm, well that being said. Does anyone know a popular way of getting 2c-b? I myself havn't heard speak of it around here and don't have a dealer who's into much heavier stuff then weed.

2c-b is illegal but its also a research chemical. online is the most popular route of purchase. good luck finding a seller that ships to this country. 

the only place i have seen 2c-b being sold, other than online, is at raves and outdoor trance parties.

omacatl's extraction processes for mescaline are all kinda involved

the easiest thing to do is just cut up the cactus spines and all and blend them in a food processor or blender with like 2 parts cactus to 1 part water in a food processor rough chop or 1 part water to 1 part cactus in a blender and then boil the mixture down in a big soup kettle until it gets pretty thick, and then strain it through clean towel or a tshirt (do not use cheesecloth) and the resulting brew is pretty fuckin potent.

I mean if you're not man enough to drink 8 fluid ounces of straight up cactus juice or mix it in with orange juice or something then go with one of his fancy alcohol extraction methods, but my method is by far the easiest and least time consuming (i've prepared cactus at least 2 or 3 different ways)

I would also like to mention that my method involves me taking an evening to create the brew, smoking pot while simmering the brew, chilling out that night, and then my test dosage is to measure out 4 fl oz of the brew and see what that does immediately after the process is finished (yes it is still warm omacatl dont puke) then I put it in the freezer for an hour and move it to the fridge overnight.

the next day, I get up whenever, but I make sure that a) I am active all day long and b) I eat as little as possible. Then around like 6:30 or 7 pm I drink what I feel to be a full dosage of the brew, and then about an hour later I drink half that again. My method as far as tiring myself and depriving myself of food causes the trip to come on earlier (around 90 minutes after first ingestion) and more intensely as well, but it levels off severely unless I take that second dosage. After the second dosage has set in its usually about 9:30, and anywhere from about 9:45 to 10:15  stuff that isnt supposed to happen to people on mescaline happens to me. Last time I tripped I saw the severed heads of mystic writers floating through the air in front of my face. That particular brew was extremely strong for some reason and I would say between the two dosages I took, I was looking at something like a 900+ mg hit of mescaline. It was actually like... frightening.

I've tried doing it later at night, but I usually fall asleep before I get to the good shit and just have really colorful dreams... that arent as good as real tripping so I prefer to start earlier in the evening.

i have tried the cactus tea route. the first time nothing happened, except i got nasueas. i probably used a weak specimen. the second time i made tea, it was from dried cactus. it worked but youch. puking and general stomach grind from all the cactus material in my stomach. an alcohol extraction is fairly simple, and only takes a few hours if you use a heat source. its just soaking, agitating, filtering, evaporating and as a result you have much less material to work with. some people, like myself, enjoy the aesthetics of having pure mescaline crystal for accurate dosing that comes from a more complex acid/base extraction. of course this is purely just preference, different strokes for different folks but note there is a difference between supposing you ate a 900mg dose and actually extracting and measuring out a 900 mg dose. it is also a lot easier to store and transport a mere gram of powder than it is a bottle of cactus tea.  ​. either way, mescaline cacti are my favorite entheogen.

Could someone tell me more about cacti?

Like where to get it, how much they cost, what exactly happens etc?

(Also Nitrous Oxide was great fun!)

cacti. where to get it ?

everywhere. i have already posted 1 good source. you should be able to get san pedro and peruvian torch cacti off ebay, other websites, and stores such as home depot and leows, when its the right season.

Mescaline, is the active ingredient in most hallucinogenic cacti. personally, its might favorite. words do not do the experience justice but i will attempt to describe it.



first you feel a slight warmth, yet a chill. (dont ask me how, this is a drug of paradoxes.) its very relaxing at first, and you will feel very lethargic. i have even seen people fall asleep at this point! for the first hour or two you go from extremely heavy and lethargic, to light and energetic, as if you had a bit of stimulation. i remember walking extremely softtly, for no reason, as if i didnt want to step too hard on the floor. for a while it almost seems like you are slightly sedated, and nothing is really happening, but around the 2 and a half our mark - ZANG. an array of shards shoot out from every single light source. Colors are magnificent. the way colors blend, and shift in light is just awe inspiring. every shade where colors blend into each other seems to glow with an almost neon iridescene. your mind becomes very "clear" and there isnt an assault of thought patterns like with mushrooms or acid. its a very spiritual, communal feeling. you feel connected to everything, even inatimate objects take on an extreme importance or meaning. when you are out in nature you cant help but feel one with everything living, and breathing. i get chills just thinking about it.

but anyways on to the preperation!
you can make cactus tea ( i dont recommend this  ​)

or you can get dried cactus(or dry your own), and do an extraction ( highly recommended)

for the less chemically inclined you can do an alcohol extraction with everclear or iso alcohol. very simple.
http://psychonauts.tribe.net/thread/c7b632fd-9733-4b1d-be4e-ef79969e97fe

or if you want a "purer" product. you can use this simple acid/base extraction. very worthwhile, as the result is beautiful mescaline hydrocholoride crystals.

http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/4751368#4751368
(you will have to become a member of tthe shroomery to learn the full extraction, sorry.  )

Tried that already (marijuana that is), I felt some strong nasua (spelling?) and that was it.

What about Nitrous Oxide? How would one get a hold of that?

 nitrous, salvia, and cacti are the easiest to acquire. i can buy all of those in my city legally.
marijauan is just about everywhere.

i wouldnt say oral is lame. its just that it takes much more to get high off oral than snorted, as with most phenethylamines. its probably not a good idea to eyeball doses for snorting, especially if you're a first timer.

DO NOT snort 2c-b your first time. i repeat. DONT DO IT

snorting phenethylamines is a bad idea in the first place, but 2c-b is extremely intense snorted.
it is notoriously painful. best to just stick to oral doses. especially if you dont have an extremely accurate scale.

ive only done 2c-b once, oral dosage, and i split a capsule in half. its was very "melty"/ didnt have the classic patterning visuals i saw on LSD or mushrooms. not too introspective either. very nice buzzing feeling too, but some people find the body buzz uncomfortable.
id say 2cb is a good beginner psychedelic, like something to give to a first timer who has never tried anything. its probably almost impossible to have a bad trip on low doses. well anyways be safe.

dmt sounds interesting...is it considered better than LSD? its probably harder to get tho since its not as popular?

its not better persay, just WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more mind shattering it seems. never tried it.
its actually probably easier to get ahold of DMT containing plants (which arent illegal, sort of) , and either make ayahuasca, or make your own smokable DMT than it is to find good LSD. depending on where you live of course. we have no shortage of acid here in texas 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca
http://icarosdna.yage.net/page/index.htm

ive never heard of penicilin allergy being linked to mushroom allergy.  ​you should keep an allergy kit around with that shot (forgot what they put in it) whenever trying anything for the first time to be safe.

i tried DMT last weekend...

i was on lsd at the time (it was very minty), i smoked some DMT and it rushed like 1/2 a mile towards me, hit me, and sent my head off into a blue and pink flourishing world, where everythin moved and danced, everyone was happy, and the sky was going purple.

then, in the evening i had a nice cup of mushrrom tea (liberty caps) and the floor rised and projects a 3d vibrantly bright coloured mushroom shaped, which spun and spread across the room.


trippin'.

nice. 

ill say it once. and ill say it again. peruvian torch is the best legal over the counter psychedelic.
fuck it. its my favorite drug, period.

 i find it odd that mescaline, is illegal, yet san pedro and peruvian torch cactus, which contain mescaline, are extremely popular, legal,  and can even be found at home depot, leows, and wallmart!

i get mine from this guy. give him a lot of respect. he harvests his plants with shamans in peru and people grow his plants with the earth in mind and not just profit. not just cactus, but ayahuasca herbs and teas too. sometimes he sends me free beads or art with my order.

http://icarosdna.yage.net/peruviantorch/peruviantorch.htm

I don't get that explanation of bhang at ALL. Plus I'm too lazy to go through that much work :-/. Any better suggestions?

bhang is not that hard to make its just a bit labor intensive. your basically just pounding bud into milk to extract the thc in fat. you need something with fat in it to absorb the THC so you can get high from eating it, see?
microwave brownies?

2 tablespoons olive oil
bud (about a dime of schwag, 8th of mids, 2 or grams of dro)
betty crocker microwave brownie (or cake)

put the oil in a cup. microwave for 30 seconds. put the bud in the oil, microwave for 20 seconds. you can strain the bud from the oil, or you can use the oil with the bud in it.
mix oil and brownie mix, and microwave the brownie according to instructions.

this is a lot easier.

hahah, nicely stoned.. the dialect is great. ok well I guess what I want to know is if it's possible to just boil some water and drop the bud I have currently into the water and stir it around a little... or would I have to grind it down very very fine??

i dont think weed is water soluble by itself, it has to dissolve in fat. instead of tea you should make bhang. its a delicious drink, and if you do it right gets you VERY stoned. not just a mild high but intense. i used too much high grade bud one time, about 4.5 grams, and ended up having an uncomforatble experience. it was too much. 
   
* 2 cups water
    * 1 ounce marijuana, if its mids half ounce, if its dro DO NOT USE MORE THAN 4 GRAMS (fresh leaves and flowers of a female plant preferred)
    * 4 cups warm milk
    * 2 tablespoons blanched and chopped almonds
    * 1/8 teaspoon garam masala [a mixture of cloves, cinnamon, and cardamon]
    * 1/4 teaspoon powdered ginger
    * 1/2 to 1 teaspoon rosewater
    * 1 cup sugar

Bring the water to a rapid boil and pour into a clean teapot. Remove any seeds or twigs from the marijuana, add it to the teapot and cover. Let this brew for about 7 minutes. Now strain the water and marijuana through a piece of muslin cloth, collect the water and save. Take the leaves and flowers and squeeze between your hands to extract any liquid that remains. Add this to the water. Place the leaves and flowers in a mortar and add 2 teaspoons warm milk. Slowly but firmly grind the milk and leaves together. Gather up the marijuana and squeeze out as much milk as you can. Repeat this process until you have used about 1/2 cup of milk (about 4 to 5 times). Collect all the milk that has been extracted and place in a bowl. By this time the marijuana will have turned into a pulpy mass. Add the chopped almonds and some more warm milk. Grind this in the mortar until a fine paste is formed. Squeeze this paste and collect the extract as before. Repeat a few more times until all that is left are some fibers and nut meal. Discard the residue. Combine all the liquids that have been collected, including the water the marijuana was brewed in. Add to this the garam masala, dried ginger and rosewater. Add the sugar and remaining milk. Chill, serve, and enjoy.

the preperation sound intense, this is because traditionally it is meant as an offering made to shiva. Hindus will drink bhang around the time of holi and more often use hashish and stronger marijuana strains, also ghee( clarified butter) instead of milk.

It's not a source of ... uhmm a word which escapes me right now...EDUCATION on drugs. I'd just rather ask some of these questions over a thread then to someone who will think I'm a crack job. Plus I've read a bunch of stuff i've never heard of before on here.. like the DXT OR d whatever.... The drug topic in its entirety interrestes me

LOL

DMT ==/== DXM

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt_basics.shtml

DMT is a chemical that is important to human spirituality. its already in your brain. DXM is just a useless ingredient in cough syrups to make you think you;re supressing cough.  i dunno but i have drank an oz of syrup before and still had a cough so im willing to bet it doesnt even work half as well as codeine.

well I dont get ahold of good shit very often so yeah. mostly nasty middies that just make me so tired afterwards... It has been a long time since I had a really good clearheaded funky high.. its been all really opiate-like indica chillout and passout highs for me lately

but yeah BravoSector, dissociatives are not safe to take here because you never know what you're getting. You could buy E from somebody that would be a blend of PCP, Crack Cocaine and something else equally as ridiculous that when in a cocktail like that could really fuck you hard. And cough syrup is nasty as fuck. So yeah I stay away from that stuff.

MDMA isnt a dissociative, its an empathogen/entactogen or a psychedelic amphetamine. it makes you feel more ' in your body' than dissociated if you know what i mean. yes e pills are notoriously dirty- filled with speed, procaine, phentayl, sudophedrine and all sorts of garbage besides MDMA. thats why if i do roll, which is rare, ill secure some of this